Best of NBA News Part 2: Lakers HIRE NEW assistant GM + Anthony Edwards responds to dap up BACKLASH + Pat Bev calls Myles Turner a SNITCH

Summary

Nightcap Podcast: Best of NBA News Part 2

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad Johnson (“Ocho”), panel & guests
Date: May 30, 2026
Episode Focus:
A high-tempo deep-dive into the latest NBA headlines, including the Lakers’ unconventional new assistant GM, Anthony Edwards’ “dap up” controversy, and the fallout from Pat Beverley’s public criticism of Myles Turner. With locker-room stories, sharp opinions, and layered takes, the hosts (all ex-pros) break down the league’s current drama in their signature unfiltered style.

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Table of Contents

• Pat Bev, Myles Turner & Locker Room Loyalty
• Anthony Edwards and the “Dap Up” Backlash
• Wembanyama, Defensive Impact & Game Evolution
• OKC Thunder's Playoff Formula
• Lakers Hire a Rocket Scientist as Assistant GM
• The Analytics Debate (James Harden & Team Performance)
• Coach of the Year: Joe Mazzulla and Resilient Celtics
• Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
• Fun & Side Conversations

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Pat Bev, Myles Turner & Locker Room Loyalty

Segment Start: [02:37]

• Pat Bev calls Myles Turner a “snitch” for public comments about star players being late and locker room management.
• Bobby Portis (guest) defends the Bucks and Giannis:
  • Emphasizes the difference between “being late after games” (treatment, media, recovery) vs. “late to mandatory practices or flights.”
  • Praises Doc Rivers as a “super player’s coach” but addresses how stories can spiral online:

    “I tweeted like, hey, bro, is. Is this AI?” – Bobby Portis [04:17]
    “As a leader … it wasn’t nothing like our culture messed up … it just got kind of took out of context.” – Bobby Portis [09:39]

• Unwritten Rules:
  • The crew underlines the “what’s said in the locker room, stays in the locker room” code:

    “There’s an unwritten rule in sports. Nobody has to tell you. There’s certain things you don’t discuss… about what happens inside locker rooms.” – Ocho [15:10]

  • They compare spilling team secrets to military ops:

    “In the military … name, rank, serial number, that’s all you give ‘em. … He told the plan!” – Joe [18:43]

• Impact on Team Culture:
  • Speculation on whether Turner can re-integrate with the team, and how “the future is blurry” until roster moves are set.

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Anthony Edwards and the “Dap Up” Backlash

Segment Start: [26:33]

• Controversy:
  Ant was criticized for congratulating Spurs players with 8 minutes left in a playoff blowout.
• Ant Responds:

  “I didn’t want to go dap them up at all, like, then what they would have been saying about me … So I gave them the respect they deserve, man.” – Anthony Edwards [26:48]

• Host Reactions:
  • “Damn if you do, damn if you don’t,” says Ocho [28:27], noting any action would be criticized.
  • Sharpe and crew draw a line between old-school and modern sportsmanship:

    “Old school cats…you ain’t never seen nobody go dap nobody up with 7, 8 mins left on the clock.” – Commentator [29:29]

  • Losing gracefully, avoiding “Kiki-ing” (joking) after a loss, and modern media scrutiny on player actions.

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Wembanyama, Defensive Impact & Game Evolution

Segment Start: [47:25]

• Wemby Dominance:
  Ant and the hosts marvel at Victor Wembanyama’s defensive presence and why players “throw up crazy floaters and hooks” just to get shots off:

  “Wimby just too damn much … You gotta throw that thing way over the damn goal now.” – Commentator [48:42]

• Tactical Experimentation:
  • Spurs use Wemby on the perimeter, playing “five out” to space the floor, which is “rare.”
  • Discussion whether Victor should play lower to create inside-out offense opportunities.

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OKC Thunder's Playoff Formula

Segment Start: [52:44]

• Bench Depth:
  Thunder’s second unit outscores the Spurs’ by over 30+ points; hosts note the difficulty for starters to compensate.
• Shai Gilgeous-Alexander:
  His “sweet spot” is the long two—not a “bad shot for him.” Hosts recall how stars like Steph and Dame expanded their range to create space [64:19].
• Defensive Matchups:
  Praise for Alex Caruso defending up positions (even briefly on Wemby), emphasizing “fight > size.”
• Role Player Excellence:
  • Caruso’s scorching 61% from three in the series.
  • Expectation for Chet Holmgren to step up.

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Lakers Hire a Rocket Scientist as Assistant GM

Segment Start: [71:46]

• Headline:
  Lakers hire Rohan Ramadas (ex-Pelicans VP, literal aerospace/AI/rocket scientist) as assistant GM under Rob Pelinka.
• Panel’s Reaction:
  • Skepticism and humor:

    “He’s literally a rocket scientist and he used AI encoded models…” – Joe [71:46] “What does that have to do with winning and playing basketball?” – Ocho [73:04] “If they try to put people in space, that’s the guy I would call. But as a basketball…?” – Joe [73:46]

  • Critique of Lakers' recent draft record – best acquisition being undrafted Austin Reaves [77:17].

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The Analytics Debate (James Harden & Team Performance)

Segment Start: [79:14]

• James Harden Quote:
  After 4–0 sweep by the Knicks, Harden claims, “I do feel like we are a better team, series-wise we didn’t show it.” – Hard to explain away a sweep.
• Host Verdict:
  • Analytics “can’t measure heart, momentum, or when you get blown out.” – Sharpe
  • Recounts that analytics are now overused as a crutch, ignoring on-court realities:

    “Analytics say we should shoot more threes. Damn analytics.” – Ocho [80:08]

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Coach of the Year: Joe Mazzulla and Resilient Celtics

Segment Start: [85:10]

• Award:
  Celtics’ Joe Mazzulla named Coach of the Year after guiding the team to 56–26 despite Tatum’s Achilles injury.
• Panel’s Take:
  • All agree voters “got it right”—highlighting how plugging and playing new contributors, Jaylen Brown’s leadership, and surviving adversity merited the win.

    “They had different guys step up … kept them at the top of the East.” – Commentator [88:21]

  • Other worthy nominees: J.B. Bickerstaff (Pistons) and Ms. Johnson (Spurs).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Locker Room Loyalty:
  “Once you snitch, you already snitch.” – Joe Ocho [14:23]
• On Modern Player Podcasts:
  “It kind of sways, you know, information, meaning, like, … that was too much damn information to give up, bro. Certain things you just take with you.” – Commentator [14:43]
• On Analytics:
  “All it does is you punch in numbers. But what about the momentum of the game? What coaches used to coach on gut?” – Joe [79:49]
• On Draft Consulting:
  “If I’m trying to win games, … I’m stealing somebody from OKC. I’m stealing somebody from San Antonio because they seem to get it right.” – Joe [74:24]
• On Star Versatility:
  “Imagine if AI were 6’8 with that handle—God had to make him 6 foot … That ain’t fair.” – Joe [66:26]

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Fun & Side Conversations

• Old playoff trauma — Sharpe details “getting the brakes beat off” by Peyton Manning [33:11].
• Sciatica, epidurals, and the realities of pro athlete injuries [35:24].
• On rec league hoops: Ocho claims “eight points, nine assists, three rebounds” — only to be clowned for “making up numbers” [39:13].
• They debate the challenges of smaller guards playing with “trees” in the paint and reminisce over being sore losers (and even worse winners).

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Overall Episode Vibe

A rollicking, unfiltered survey of NBA turmoil, media evolution, and locker-room codes, with sharp laughs and genuine love for the game. The hosts contrast old-school wisdom with the league’s changing landscape, never shying from tough truths or the occasional dig at management—or each other.

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[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

BP I'm sorry, bro, but you know we got to talk about this. This is what Pat Bell said. Pat Bell spoke about it today saying a damn snitch. I played for Milwaukee Bucks. I've never seen Giannis and Kumpo late. One time I played for LA Clippers. With Doc. For the Bucks. With Doc. He was a player in the past and he's very lenient when it comes to practicing. You don't hear people complaining when they get days off. So for him to get on a platform and discuss head coach main players, especially coming from a team where expected a lot more from Miles Turner, is an issue. You played with Bud. Adrian Griffin, now you played with Doc. You played a couple of other different places. The environment in Milwaukee, underdog. How different was it with Bud? How different was it with Adrian Griffin? What was expected? How was it?

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

I mean, for real. It's a tough job to have. For real, you feel me? When I first got here in Milwaukee, you know, we were a championship team with championship pedigree, with, you know, views of winning the championship. My first on the team, we end up winning the chip, you know what I'm saying? Coach Bud get fired. A couple. A couple, you know what I'm saying? Years later, you know what I'm saying? Coach Bud was just a different coach. He's real strict. He wanted like a players coach. He wanted. He wanted coach that let the players, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying, do certain things. He was like a dictator. He wanted to do everything he wanted. He wanted to like, be control of everything. He was a control freak. But it worked for him and it worked for us at the time. So it was cool, you know what I'm saying? But you still got guys in your team. That's you know what I'm saying, Of caliber, who they is. They kind of want to like, open up and be more such and such, you know what I'm saying? We get Adrian Griffin. He was there for a couple months. He's still. He seems still a great guy. Shout out Adrian Griffin and then you get Doc River. He just a super player coach, bro. Like, super player coach. Always about the players, what the players want. And he's super lenient on. Super. On certain things. Obviously, when. When Miles and Brianna Stewart, their podcast when shared, shared and aired online. If you ain't see my tweet, I tweeted like, hey, bro, is. Is this AI? You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? Because I. I don't know what to believe no more on for real. Cause you know, it got so much

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

business behind closed doors in a public

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

forum, you know what I'm saying? I didn't.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I didn't believe that.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, I've been on the team for six years, bro, and you know what I'm saying? I ain't never seen him, you know what I'm saying? Late to anything, obviously, superstar players, we play any professional sport, you know what I'm saying? Superstar players get kind of superstar treatment, you know what I'm saying? I'm not here to take up for Yannis or whatever it is, but you know what I'm saying? After the game, if my man is 40 minutes, 50 minutes late, it's because God damn. See, I didn't got body slammed out there on the court. See, I didn't, I, I, I got, I got 30 threw me on the ground. I didn't, I didn't got five, six times, hit the flow 18 times. I gotta get my, after the game lift, get treatment. Got, got media. So, like, I don't really understand the oh, yo, we, we, we, we late or whatever it is. I never understood that you. But at the same time, I do feel like as a leader of a team who been here for a minute, who've been here for six years, like, I had to clear that part up, bro. Like, it ain't like, when it's, I think it's kind of out of context when a motherfucker like, oh, yeah, late. It might have been like, oh, yeah, like after the game, or, you know what I'm saying? I getting treatment after the game. Like, just clear that up. Like, motherfucker might be late after the game, because you know what I'm saying, the bus took off late, they met the plane or whatever it is, because somebody was getting treatment. Everybody getting treatment, whatever it is. But it wasn't nothing like our culture messed up or like we over here just running over Doc Rivers or something. I don't, I wouldn't put it in that aspect at all.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But what he said is that we're scheduled to take off from a flight and the flight might be scheduled to leave at 2:32. He said guys were showing up an hour late, maybe two hours late. He didn't mention anything after the play. Now, I, I ain't trying to stir up nothing.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Hey, man, Weekend.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What did he get? Okay, clear this up. What did he get wrong? Because Pat Bam said he played with Milwaukee and Giannis wasn't never late. So this man just came out and li. Did he lie? If he lied, just say, hey, man, he lied.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Yeah, I think, I think he just kind of got carried away. I think it just kind of got carried away. Obviously, you got a podcast now and you know, just, you know, saying, sitting here chatting sometime for real, for real on these zoom calls and things like that. Like, you kind of forget that it's live. You kind of forget that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you kind of forget that it's gonna get post posted online. You kind of forget all that. You kind of get lost in the conversation. You get lost in doing things. And you know what I'm saying, as a human being, I'm a capper. Like I'm. I'm an over exaggerator too. Like, I ain't gonna sit here and allow nobody or something, but if I'm talking to my homeboy, my friend or something, I might just get him hyped up or something. Juice the story up a little bit more like, yeah, but like I'm. I'm here just to say, like, nah, bro, like, as a leader of the team who've been here six years, who pride myself on respect, who pride myself on winning, building habits, all that, man, I don't did. It wasn't nothing like that. It was if anything, if. If big brother late. And I ain't here to take up. Like I said, brother late. It's from after the game getting treatment because I didn't went to war tonight, you feel me? Like, that's, that's probably the only time somebody wait on somebody for real.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What about the meetings? He say meetings got film session, guys come late sometimes they wouldn't come.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Hey, hey, I'm into Shoot for real shoe. You know, I might, I might skip me a treatment session and we in Utah. We got LA tonight. We're going to la. I probably on God stands to stand out there late, you know what I'm saying? I probably don't God stand out there late, you know what I'm saying? They treat me every time where it is. I might, I might, I might. I might say, hey, now, I don't. I don't need no ice today. Go get me in the shower, man. We got la. We going to LA for a couple days.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But yeah,

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

hey, hey, I think even. Even listening to bp, you saying Doc Rivers is a player's coach. Doc used to coach a veteran guys, so I can see how he's lenient like that, you know, coaching that Boston Celtics team. Because when you got. The thing is, when your top guys hold each other accountable, bro, the coach ain't really got to do a whole hell of a lot, you know what I mean? And I think Doc has been put in those situations, especially dealing with that Boston team with kg, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, hell, everybody else just kind of fell in line because those guys were, you know, real true leaders and obviously ended up being.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

It's just tough though. It's just tough though. You got to think about it too though. Big bros, like we in Milwaukee and we got championship aspirations, like, you know what I'm saying? So like it's the littlest thing that we do going to get, you know what I'm saying, exaggerated. Because everybody trying to get giants to leave, you know, like everybody trying to start a state of narrative up, like, that's just what it is. So like any little thing, any little five game losing streak, like, that's been like the narrative for like five years. So I kind of just get it and I kind of just take it with a grain of salt. For real. Like, ain't nothing wrong with the culture or none of that. I ain't here to dissect team, team drama. Like somebody said online, I ain't dissecting those drama. I call it how I see it. We got a cool ass team with of full 18 guys who mess with each other. We just didn't have a good year this year. That's all it was.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Let me ask you this. Considering what was said, how does, how do you guys, if he's back on the team now, you don't know what I don't know. If you talk to Giannis, I don't know. And Jimmy Haslam, who owns half of the team, a large chunk of the team, says, look, either he signs the extension or he's going to get traded. Now with that being said, you back in that locker room, Miles Turner comes back, hey, Hey, BP. Cause like you said, you've been there six years. I think you've been in the league, what, 11 years now, BP?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

11 years, bro. Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So you know certain things because, hey, the worst thing is dude be talking and they be talking to their girlfriend, their wife, and they be pillow talking. And again,

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Yeah, man, I would say like this, like, especially if you're on a team that didn't make the playoffs, I think right now, in this period, while the season's still going on, while guys about to start ramping their workouts back up, start trending towards their next season, I think it's just super important right now that you kind of just focus on your craft, your body and your mind. All the extra stuff that's going on, you can't control as a pro. You gotta control the controllables that's your work ethic. That's you being a pro every day. And as you having the right attitude towards what's going on, obviously, right now, I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know if Yanni gonna be on the team. I don't know if I'm gonna be on the team. I don't know who gonna be here. But one thing I'm gonna do each and every year is prepare myself for whatever is to come. So when that time. When that time comes and we all in the locker room again, whatever it is, it shouldn't be no bad blood. Whatever it is, I'm here to fight. I'm here to win. I'm here to do my job.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You got. You got to have a conversational bp. You got to say, hey, bro, bro, look, I understand we get carried away. We get. No, we get car. I get it, cuz. We get carried away. Cu.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

But you put.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You put everybody in a bad spot.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Yeah, for sure, though. Definitely.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

He put everybody in a bad spot.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Definitely did. I didn't. I didn't like that. It was a lot of media, like, like, my mom and one of my best friends had sent it to me, like, around, like, 3, 3:30pm Central Time, bro. And at the time, I looked at it and I said, I'm like, damn. Like, all right, cool. Like. But then I kept going back and looking at it. You know what I'm saying? Like, damn. Like, that shit is kind of bad, but I ain't think that shit was going to blow up like, it blew up, boy.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

He said Giannis was coming an hour, two hours late. What you mean? Bp?

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

But I didn't think it was gonna go like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, God damn. All these crazy. Like, that went crazy, bro.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

And then, like, it kind of put. Then it kind of put everybody, like, we ain't being leaders, like, we ain't doing all this extra shit. But it ain't even like that. For real. It just got kind of took out of context. Like, you can ask like, bro, literally we have the same seven people at our airport that want us to sign things. Literally, we have the same. Same seven people. Like some. Some. Some teams might have 30 people or 40 people, but you know what I'm saying, We got these same dedicated seven people that come want us to sign some every time we take off.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Oh, yeah, it's gonna be.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Somebody need to call one of them people right now and ask them who late? They gonna say, nobody Will leave ever, bro.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, hey.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They want Giannis to stay. Go ahead, Joe. What you want to say? It's gonna.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

It's gonna be a damn team meeting when we link back up.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I don't know why, B. Nah, y', all, you know, goodwill. Somebody done timed that out like that,

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Joe.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

The damage, it's already done, though.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But I don't want no more damage to be done.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

There you go.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Just cause I done had one accident don't mean I'm gonna cancel my insurance.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Well, once you snitch, you already snitch.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

They media team. I ain't necessarily just saying, like, the players, but that media team is probably gon have some one on ones or a team or collectively a team unit. Sit down and be like, hey, look, we gotta watch what we say. Look, I think because of how media is evolving and, you know, you got guys with their own podcast now who are currently still playing. Yeah, I think it kind of. It kind of sways, you know, information, meaning, like, you know, like, I felt like that was too much damn information to give up, bro. It's just certain things. Certain things you just take with you. However y' all deal with it. Y' all deal with it. But you never go on no podcast and say how your infrastructure is working.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, hey, Joe, uncle bp. There's an unwritten rule in sports. There's an unwritten rule. Nobody has to tell you about that goddamn rule. There's certain things you don't discuss. There's certain things you don't talk about that happens inside locker rooms or structured environments. Nobody has to explain that to you, Unc. I got a bunch of goddamn stories. We've been on here three years. I have yet to talk about anybody on this goddamn show, about anything that went on while I was playing.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But we also know. Oo. We know who will talk. And guess what? Hey, what y' all talking about?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Go.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

We ain't talking about nothing in front of your punk ass. Cause we already know that's what we talking about. Hey, every. Hey, look, we've all been in enough locker room. We played enough be a high school, college pro, NBA, NFL. We know. We know what guys will talk. Because guess what? It might not be a situation where they go public. It might be a situation what they go talk to it now. You know, when it comes to them, you don't cut them things. They show diamond by that.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Oh, man, come on now.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, oh, oh. So you, oh, you. Oh, you. Oh, you see, old boy? Huh? Who told you that? Yeah, so you ain't gotta tell me nothing. So I already know. Yes, we gonna have to have a conversation. I ain't gonna lie to you whether you having a conversation or not, but I'm saying if I was in the locker room and something like that. Of that magnitude.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

But it's hard. It's hard for us right now to have a conversation when, like, the future just so blurry. Yeah, like, the future is so blurry right now that, like, right now, like I said, like, before, like, guys need to worry about themselves being the best they can be, coming back and trying to change the narrat narrative about whatever, you know what I'm saying? The media has put on them or the team, whatever it is. Because right now, bro, like, like you said, bro, like you just said, like, the owner said that by June, the draft, whatever it is, they gonna do something with Yanis, whatever it is. So. That's right. Yeah. So, like, the future blurry. So we can't really have them conversations until we know who on the team for real. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like, right now, it's mono. E. Mono. For real. Like, you could talk to somebody. Like. Like, you know what? See, right now, you need to be trying to get in the gym. Stay ready, stay sharp.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Like, after the season over with, like, you want to have those conversations and dialect, like, and dialogue. Like, I talked to all my guys. I was just with GT last week. You know what I'm saying? I hang out with all my teammates and talk to them, whatever it is. But that one kind of just stung a little bit, so I'm gonna give

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

it a few, but I'm just. Ooh. I was like, boy, I already knew when I saw this. I said it to Ash. I said, ash, look, I said, boy, this here about to shock the conscience of the NBA. I said, it's not what he said. It's what if he said, oh, there are a lot of people late. People could have deduced whatever they wanted. Nobody would have ever assumed it was Giannis. The mere fact that he's like, well, when she asked, who's some of your worst offenders? They didn't even put the hot light on him. They didn't waterboard him. They didn't beat him with the telephone book. They didn't put. No, they didn't do none of that. Oh, y'.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

All.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

This. Oh, y' all be late for about an hour. I'm like, well, God damn, you gotta make him extract some information out of it. You can't just give it all Up.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

In the military, they say when you get captured behind enemy lines is name, rank, serial number. That's all you give them.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What's your name? What's your rank? Give me your serial number. Man, he done told a plan. Hey, look at. Check this out. They gonna hit y' all tomorrow about 4 o'. Clock.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Whoa. Damn. Make them extract that information. Pull a couple of teeth. Shock me. Yeah, Water boy, don't stop me. What you're saying is podcast some. Look, the thing is like, we're live. If you say something on here, even if you say, man, hey, take that. I can't. We can't take it out because somebody already. If you go right now, bp, somebody has already taken clips of what you, I, Joe and Ocho have said and already got it up on their stuff.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yep.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So we can't take it out now. There are times that you do stuff that's not live. We could like, hey, man, can you do me a favor when I say such and such, can you take that out? No problem. But when you go live, it ain't no editing, it ain't no take out, ain't no do over.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Yeah, watch what you say type thing.

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[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, hey, BE and bp, I. I think the reason why it went viral is because the guys who aren't in you guys locker room, meaning fans, guys like ourselves who don't get to see y' all on a day to day basis, and the work that y' all put in, the fact that he spoke about Giannis, it's like everybody look at Giannis as like the hardest worker, you know what I mean? Like, he don't take me for a guy who gonna show up late, who gonna half ass you, who gon BS you, You know what I mean?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Like, you got Doc Rivers in this position and you mean to tell me Giannis ain't gonna show up and give him everything he got? So that's why I think it went viral, because it was Giannis and how we view him, you know what I'm saying? View him as no guy who would be late or half assing in the weight room or things of that sort. So that's why it was shocking to me. I ain't gonna lie. I'm like, damn, hold on. I don't expect that from Giannis, right?

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Nah, man, nah, man, nah. It wasn't nothing like that. Yana's the hardest working I've been around. For real, for real? No, no, for real, for real. That live before the game, he lived way before the game, anybody said he'd be on the ground doing all type of crunches and sit ups. And before the game shall be like, bro, you tripping, boy. Cause I sit right next to him, you know what I'm saying? I mean, yeah, keeping my locker mate for six years. I sit right next to him and stuff. So, like, he the hardest workers sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Doc Rivers, he just. He just a real linear coach. He a player's coach. I. With Doc Rivers, like on a. On a personal level, like, I. I really love that, man.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

He.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

He a good dude, got a good heart. But you know what I'm saying, sometimes in film or whatever, it is clear that part of sometimes a film, if you heard it, whatever it is, doctor, you go over there and get treatment. Sometimes in practice, if you hurt and you ain't playing, go over there and get treatment, you know what I'm saying? Or whatever it is. Go get your work in. You know what I'm saying? Go to the weight room. Go get some. Go get some. Some. Some work in. Whatever it is. So like I said, I was totally thrown off. I thought it was AI, man, you can go to my tweet. I thought that was AI. I ain't. That was real.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, listen, I'm the same way, fellas. It's like, you give me a good players coach and the accountability that I'm gonna hold myself to, you know, to show up for him, you know, make sure I'm ready to play, ain't gonna be BSing. That's how I was when I played, bro. Like, those are some of the best coaches, but everybody can't play for coaches like that.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Yeah, I love Doc, man. Dodge, unlock mine.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Everybody is not mature enough to be responsible enough to handle it like that. Yeah, because. And my thing is, don't you mess it up for everybody else. Because you know how it is. One person messing up. Not. We all got to come, we all got to do this, we all got to do that. Because what's the thing? We're a team. Nah, he effed up. Make him run beside that. No, no, no, no. Don't, don't, don't do be all. And so that was my thing when I played.

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[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

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[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Of course I see my co worker in line at the pharmacy. Can he tell I'm picking up prescription hemorrhoid cream? I'm probably standing weird. Why is he smiling? He knows he's gonna call me hemorrhoid Lloyd tomorrow. I know it. I gotta quit my job.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

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[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Ant man has also responded to the backlash of him dabbing up spurs players with eight minutes left. Let's take a listen to what Ant man had to say about this.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

They were trying to make, you know, a big deal.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

If you dapping them up at the 8 minute mark. Tell us why you did that. I mean, it was no reason why, like, everybody just. I feel like everybody just got their own opinion. Like, yeah, it's eight minutes in the game, but we not going back in the game. When you win a playoff series, everybody's celebrating at the end of the game, like, so they gonna be smiling while we. While I'm pissed off and we just lost. So I was just like, let me go and congratulate these boys because I ain't trying to be kikiing with y' all after y' all done whoop my ass. I didn't want to go dab them up at all. Like, then what they would have been saying about me, like, that would have been a whole nother conversation. So I gave them the respect they deserve, man. Like, I could have waited to the end of the game. That's what I. That's other people perspective. But yeah, I did what I did.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, it ain't. You know,

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

there's no easy way when somebody kicking your ass to accept things to. To accept defeat. Ain't no either way other than to go do it. Now. Football is different. Yes, obviously, you know, in basketball, Joe, y' all right there. Because a lot of times, hey, we just gone. I mean, a lot of times guys know each other, but like you said, I didn't want to be Kiki kid, bro, because if I'm. If I'm smiling, they're gonna say, well, I ain't take it that serious. Yeah, yeah, I did what I did. He already accepted defeat, bro. We down 30 with eight minutes to go. Ain't no coming back from that. So there's no. There's no. There's no easy way for Ant man to. I guess they didn't want the. The situation with Isaiah where he doesn't shake the guy's hand and things of that nature.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, that's. Hey, that's one of those situations, Uncle Joe. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yep.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Then obviously all the. All the. All the talking heads, all the poundants, all the analysts say, oh, it's a sign of weakness to have your. Your leader, you know, eight minutes before a game shaking your opponent's hand and just get it out the way. But obviously, Ant had his explanation for it and you know how he feel. He don't really care. He gonna continue to do it his way and march by the march to the beat of his own drum,

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I think. It ain't that.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

I don't.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I wouldn't say that he don't care. I think he has so much respect for the spurs and how they competed against them and basically how they whoop they ass. If you just want me to keep it 100 that, you know, after them series, I wouldn't necessarily say it's a key, key thing after they done beat you. Yeah, they happy, they celebrating, they moving on. You know, you just wanna. As soon as the buzzer in Ant man thinking, man, I just want to get my ass up out of here. I mean, so I'm gonna take the initiative to just go and dap these boys up now. But. Yeah, I know, man. Old school cats. It was never like that, bro. You know, you ain't. Matter of fact, damn Old school. You ain't never seen nobody go dab Nobody up with 7, 8 minutes left on no clock, you know what I mean? So I can see the drawback that he's getting from it. I can understand that part, but I can see it from his perspective as well.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The thing is, you bet if you up like that, you better get your ass out the game. Stay still, be in the game and y' all up 30 points and see what happened to you. See what happens?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, oh, you still in here, huh? Y' all ain't winning by enough. Okay, okay. And it's different, Ocho. You know us. I mean, look, look, I'm coming to the A. Whoever I know. Hey, man, good game. Good luck. Hey, stay healthy, y'. All. Go win this thing. I'm out.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, I'm out. He want to hit me.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, I ain't all that. You don't beat. Hold on, you don't beat me. Even if you my friend, you don't beat me

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

because it's hard. It's hard in the moment when emotions are high. You know what I mean? Like, damn, bro, we didn't got our ass kicked on our home floor like this. Like, I. I ain't really got no worries when this buzzer go off, man. Just let me get in that shower, get my ass up out of here, and get home.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, y', all, definitely. That's the best thing for you to do. Because if you play by team and you've been talking. Cause I'm on the field. Hey, I need to go out there for the. Kneel down for the deal. Now, I need to be out there. Ocho. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All that talking. Oh. Oh. Big mouth, Sharp ain't gonna get nothing now. Man, shut up, man. Hey, I tell you what. Me, my. Whoa, whoa. Ain't no noble fight. You had 59 minutes and 50 seconds to fight. Now you want to fight after the game?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Nah, nah. I'm gonna talk now. Now, what you got to say? See, I'm gonna rub it in. I'm that type. I'm a sore loser. I'll be the first to admit that. But I'm a worse winner. Oh, boy. Don't you let me win. Don't you let me win. And you been talking crazy. Yeah. Oh, man. Yes. You're gonna want to fight me, and I ain't stopping, punk. Oh, I ask him.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I'm telling you, don't let me win.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, that's why you got cats. I'm the same way. I mean, as far as the winning part, I ain't like that. But I'm a damn sore loser. That's why I work hard as. I don't know what. Cause I hate losing, bro. Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yo, if you think about. If you hate losing, I'm worse at winning. I'm worse at that. Oh, yes. Cause I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna make it hurt.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Cause you shouldn't have been running your mouth. You have so much to say at the start of the game. Why you not talking?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Now?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You mad? Oh, cast the boys about the Steelers. We beat them in the championship game in Three Rivers. Man, shut up. Boy, I swear, you ain't finna swing nothing. You finna swing your ass off this field. Yeah, look, we need to celebrate. We need the whole field to celebrate. And we need y' all out so we can bring our little.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Five.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Little, you know, 5,000 fans to celebrate with us. Now, get Your ass off this field,

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

man.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Please, man. I. I don't know how. Joe, I'm gonna be honest. I'm trying to think playoff game. What's the worst? Oh, we beat. We got beat. Oh, man. Lord have mercy. My last game I ever played, man. Andy beat us so bad.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Whose quarterback was Peyton, man?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Marvin Harrison probably had like 150. Brandon Stoker. Go look at the wild card game. Broncos against the Colts, 2004. It was like Dallas Clark was there. Huh?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Dallas Clark was there.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Boy, they beat us so bad. Perfect. Peyton might have had a perfect quarterback rating. I mean, Joe Ocho, man, when I say they beat the brakes off us. I don't know if I've ever got beat that bad. That's what I knew. That's what I knew. I was like, oh, yeah, Peyton probably had like 380, 350, 380, like four touchdowns. Cause I think Brandon Strokely had two. Oh, he had 377. See? Damn. Five touchdowns.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Damn.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Marvin Harrison, how many.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Seven catches for 133 and two touchdowns.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Marvin has seven for 133 and two touchdowns. Brandon Stoker might have had more than that. Brandon Stokely had four. 444. And in two touchdowns. Yeah. Oh, they cooked them. Hey, but I'm telling you what I did. Yeah. I knew this gonna be my last game. I said, you know what? I might have never get another chance to shake Peyton hand, dab him up. I was out.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Probably had like 3. 5 for 31. Man, my back, man, look here. And I ended up having to get two epidurals. Man, my back was so jacked up. Ocho and Joe.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Well, your back was messed up from lifting heavy, huh?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

No, my back was messed up. Cause I was getting old. That was. My bag was messed up for. Nah, I slept. I slept wrong with something. And it just would. And it just would. It just would not. It spasmed up and it just would not let go. I mean, I don't know if anybody ever had back spasm, but it ran into my sciatica.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Man, that sciatica ain't nothing to play with.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I was driving like this here. Ocho

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

getting sideways like that.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But hey, somebody. But we. I didn't pick up something back and have to lay on the floor, man. But I end up having to have two epidurals for that.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, how you. How you got rid of your cicadas?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I got epidural, had two epidurals. I had ended up having to go to a doctor and they injected me twice. Oh. First time it didn't, it didn't do. Because it had gotten so bad. And then they come back in there, they put, put you under that machine, pinpoint it, a big needle. Sciatica. I told you, it's sciatica. Circadias are an insect that comes every so often. Sometimes you have a 17 year cicada and. But a sciatic is a nerve. No, you said circadian.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Joe, you, you had us.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Nah, sciatica. Nah, nah, I ain't had ocho. Nah, nah. Yes, but I had a, I got a. I had a homeboy who had it and it would be times he couldn't even play like, you know, he walk in like he's just a sharp shooting pain down his leg.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. He said he couldn't. He couldn't even play.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Brian had it.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Who had it?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Bron missed all that time.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Bron missed 15 games to start the season with.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. That's what Bron had to start the season this season.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

That's what it was.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hell no.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

When he was in Miami, he missed those two, three weeks. Yes. Man, that thing will tell you. Woo. Well, have you walking sideways.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Ain't no worse than that.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

I wonder what that, what that's from, huh? They got to be a reason.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You have a pinch, you have an impingement on a nerve and sometimes you can't, you can't control body function. You pee on yourself, you poop on yourself. What? Yeah, absolutely.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That must be a severe case.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes, yes.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Damn. But you know what, what's funny is I have a lot of people who come to my yoga studio who have sciatica and they come in there to put, you know, put their heat on there. He heat it up, stretch it out.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

That's what you try to do. You try to open. You try to open it up.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And that's why you try to keep your core tight.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Try to keep that pray, you know, keep. Because everything, your body is like an automobile and it works in unison. And when everything is working harmonious, everything goes good. But if the rear end, you get a flat tire and you keep driving around on that flat tire, or you put the donut on there, you're only supposed to go X amount of miles on that donut. But you keep going and all of a sudden it's gonna mess up your front end.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Then all of a sudden your rear end is going to be messed up. That's how your body function. If everything is not an ankle or knee or hip, or it's gonna throw something out, and the next thing you know, you effed up.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Gotta take maintenance on that body, bro. Yeah, you start over, compensating, next thing you know, here, you're gonna hurt something else.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Joe, you ain't send me the little vitamins you told me to take, right?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Are you trying to get you some vitamins?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

And, I mean, y'.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

All.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

I mean, listen, I ain't never had no issue with my body or nothing, but I'm gonna do. I'm just. I'm gonna test it out.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Well, I mean, if it ain't. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. You know, you. You seem to be doing pretty damn good.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just. I'm just trying to beat it to the point just in case something creep up on me.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Joe.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, how. How it go today, then?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You didn't.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

You have a.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Joe. Hey. Hey, Joe. Hey, boy. Your boy had eight today, boy.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

You had eight.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, I had eight today. I don't know where the hell T found these goddamn Hoopers from, boy. Everybody on the goddamn court. Six, eight, six, seven. What?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hold on. How you figure. How you talking about you had eight? You called me and told me you had 1893.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

I said eight, nine and three. It sound like 18.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Shit.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, T. T, Higgins must have played. He must have hooped in high school or something.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

He can play.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. What you know, T? About six, five.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, they getting money, man.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

They getting money, boy. Hey, them dudes is dudes that. They can't. They from overseas. Yeah, dude flew in from China yesterday. Joe. Young bull flew from China, made him new. Hey, them boy begins the money. We played against, obviously, here in Knoxville. I'm assuming it's like an AAU team, and some of the players, you know, some going to Tennessee, Joe. It wasn't nobody on the court, maybe about three people shorter than goddamn. Six, six, six, six, seven, three. And obviously I'm one of them.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Eight turnovers, three rebounds, Joe. That's the 80 head.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Oh, man, come on.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

That's funk making up numbers, Joe. I mean, hey, where the footage at?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I ain't seen no footage.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, I'm gonna tell. I'm gonna tell T. I'm gonna tell T. Send me that thing. They record everything.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I could let you be the only one making up numbers. I'd make up my own, too.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey. Hey, don't be hating on my little eight.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, send the video.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Cause you hit me earlier. I hit you back, but you Ain't answer.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, I would hit you when I was waiting in front of everybody so they could tell you what I would get to the mignon.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I don't know. That sounds suspect, Joe.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, yeah, well, I'm waiting for the footage. I'm waiting.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

The last time I was a suspect, but I was what, in 87?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, we saw you at the big three All Star tournament. We tried. We tried that triple zero.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Don't bring, don't bring that up.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, Joe, you were there. So you saw it.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Nah, you know, I was hurt. I didn't, you know.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, that's right. That's right, Joe. My bad. You're right.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

You're right. Yeah, I watched it, though.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, don't worry about that, you know, you know what you got coming, huh?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, today. Today was a nice warm up. What? So now, Now I got a, like, like a different perspective on dudes that's that tall.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Joe, that hard boy getting around.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Guess what? I'm gonna give your ass. I'm gonna give your ass another perspective. Yes. Yeah, I'm gonna give you another damn perspective. Don't worry about it.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Huh?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

I know I'll be on here talking trash, but it's a different ball game when you got somebody in front of you, six, eight, six, seven. And you get around that boy. Man, listen here. Hey, boy, I had to hit a U turn a few times.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

How tall you think Joe is?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, Joe. I mean, in front of me. Joe by six' one.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Okay, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You gonna refresh your memory.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I'm gonna make his ass respect me. Hey, you gonna keep my name out your damn mouth. That's what.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What you're gonna do.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, everybody tell you something. The world gonna call me the ISO Stopper. Boy, when we done, boy, you hit me.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The ISO Stopper.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

The ISO Stopper man, please.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Nah, Joe.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

But, hey, but, but, but all jokes aside, it is put the game just in general because, you know, I don't. I don't who. I don't play basketball. But being on that court with them damn trees like that, I already know how in the hell Jalen Brunson and all them dudes that are that, you know, whether you play above the rim or not. But if you six three and under,

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

how the hell you play with these dudes?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, you know them dudes, them guys six three and under, Ocho, they know how to use their bodies, you know? Hey, hey, when we talk, when me and you and Unk. Talk about football. You know, you a footwork guy. You ain't really trying to let nobody get their hands on you. You ain't trying to let nobody touch you. Oh, no. And in basketball, you at your size, you gonna have to be a little physical. You gotta take some contact to be able to finish over them big guys. It's just part of it. Yeah.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, that's me. That's me. That's me. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I like. I like it.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

I like it. I had a good time. I had a good time. That was fun, though. Hey, Knox. Hey.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You knew Knoxville was small, Tennessee.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, small. Small little town, boy.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I mean, it's a college town.

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[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

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[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah yeah Ant man one funny guy he spoke on when we got ejected in the wolves series let's take a listen to what it had to say guys you I think but that like 8:5 when he spread out the rim

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

ain't nothing but 10ft so you got

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

to put that so high above the rim when he on defense. He did tall you been on the

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

slow this high and he gotta go

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I feel like a statue it's so hard to beat them when he on the floor just because of his dad man I was so happy that got kicked out. He looked @n that one made it mad win was mad at he took that personal I hope they suspend that I'm in the email they at right now. Hey, man, y' all gotta go review, buddy.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Baby.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hilarious. Shout it. Shout. For real.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, that's exactly what you said. Yeah, exactly what you said. And if. And if there's any player who will tell it exactly like it is, it's not going to be politically correct. It's that goddamn amp boy.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yep.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That's why you gotta love him. Gotta love him. You gotta love his honesty. Because he only reiterated what we all been talking about the whole damn playoffs. Wimby just too damn much even just on. Just by him being out there on defense. Look, you ain't. And the fact that they are. The spurs already got guards that. That sit down in the chair and really guard. Okay, let's say you do give them your best one, two, and you get by them. Hell, look what you running into that man letting you know, look, you got to alter all your damn shots that you normally just. You gotta throw that thing way old damn gold now. That's why, look, when we talk about Nas Reed, I said, damn, Nas. I seen Nas throw a running damn hook.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I ain't never seen that, man.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I ain't never seen that, man.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

She don't.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Damn running hook.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. Oh, he's nine foot tall. Eight foot tall. No, he's probably about nine and a half feet tall. Would he stand up. Up under the rib and don't let him jump. Yeah, you can't see it. You can't even see the rim. And no. Yeah, you have a couple of floaters and stuff like that, but you're not anticipating. Because think about it. You go from a regular guy playing defense, now all of a sudden his ass back there.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The shot I just shot the previous time down the court. I can't shoot that same. Same shot now. Cause your big ass in here.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Right, right.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And then. And then Joe, you saw about his defense. Now imagine him giving you 25, 30, 35, 40 with his defense and giving you 40.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Then listen while watching the game yesterday. Cause you know Wemby handled the ball a lot, so hell if he out there on the perimeter handling the other guys are smalls, they not gonna be in the paint. They had five guys around the perimeter and Wimby was at the top handling that thing like going into his bag.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, you.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That's rare. You never. You never see that, bro. It's always at least one guy inside the three. They had five guys outside the three. That's, that's, that's, that's what's making. That's what makes the spurs so much danger. I mean, hell, we all know, you know, we'll be a cheat code, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But I think they need to. I think they need to start him down lower Joe, because he said I gotta make my guys better. How can you make the guys better? You ain't got nobody that can post up but you, right?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I mean that. That's not Castle's game, that's not Harper's game, that's not Basale, that's not Champagne's game. So in other words, all y' all got. They only really got one guy that can post. That's Wimby.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I'm not running no damn plays for Luke Cornette. Nah, I. I think that Hornet nothing. No, yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, hey. I think the physicality that Hardenstein is bringing, ever since game one, keeping a body on and being physical with him, you know, Wimby is starting to try to offset by taking him out in the deep waters. You know what I mean? Like, okay, you think you want to play rough inside here or when I bring your ass out here in this deep water and drown you, then I want to see what you do, you know. Now he out there playing tweening because Hardenstein can't guard that out there, Ark. Ocho.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Right.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

You know, now only thing Hardenstein can do is hope that he miss. But if he's making them shots, that's what, that's what takes his game to a whole nother level. I think the resistance or the physicality that the thumbnail bringing, that Hardenstein is bringing is starting to kind of wear on him a little bit. That's why he's been out there on the perimeter so damn much. He's talking about he got to make his guys better. You're right. He gonna have to establish position, you know, in that on. On in the mid post, low post to where they have to double.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, right. And so now I can get guys slash dive into the basket. Ain't nobody, man, you out past the three point line, ain't nobody diving to no damn basket. You way out there and getting in the ball. You got to be on the block and have somebody when the double team come. Now you get somebody in the to die to the basket. Now you got somebody. Okay, you get the ball at the nail and now you got somebody in the dunker spot.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But other than that, no. If. If all five guys at the three point line, Joe, I ain't really worried about it.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

No, sir. No, sir.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I need somebody to put. You need somebody because what. Okay, see OKC gonna put pressure on that rim. Yeah, Shay, go. Hey. Shay is looking to attack edges. He's looking to get on the edge. And if you don't settle, if you don't build a wall, he going, ain't you better grill it? Because, hey, he's slippery.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Get on the edge and he go. Next thing you know, he gonna throw his body like, come on, man. That wasn't a foul, but damn, it looked like a foul.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, look, you can't tell the difference in real time either, Joe.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What's that?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

I mean. I mean, you know, the. The foul bait sometimes, you know, in. In full time, in real time, as fast as those players are playing, I think people watching from home, you really don't understand how fast some boys moving. When you watch from home, you know, they slow that. You slow it down on tv. Copy. And you can see the foul clear as day. But when they moving fast as hell, it's. Yeah, it's different.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. Hey, hey. And I. I think Wimby.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

He's. He has to establish, you know, somewhere down in the low, close or the block area and kind of spray out to these guys. So y' all can get second chance opportunity. They don't get no second chance opportunities with him standing his ass out there at the three or playing on the perimeter, you know, because if he the biggest guy and he got the best handle and he, you know, going into his bag, once that shot go up, hell, if he don't make it, they don't get no second chance points. You know what I mean? We off to the races.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Because think about it, Joe. Plus, also when he's so far out, somebody shoot a shot, they got his. They put a body on him, he can't get the ball.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So the. The further you're away from the basket, the harder it is for the rebound. Yeah, and he's gonna have. He's gonna have to. Hey, he's gonna have to sit that. That. That post up. He gonna have to sit it much closer to the basket, Joe, if I'm okay. And guys gonna have to put pressure on the rim.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So guys. And the number one thing they need to do, they gotta stop turning the damn ball over, Joe.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah. You ain't got no chance. You're not. You're not even coming close to beating them. You dodged a bullet in game one. You like? Cause Castle had what, nine, ten turnovers in game one, and you won the game. Did you actually think that's a recipe? He had a. Okay, my bad. He had 11 in game one. Joe, do you really think that is a recipe to beat the Thunder? You got so lucky when he walked in and hit a Steph Curry shot like he did. You remember Steph Curry walked in there and he hit that shot.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Going crazy.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yes.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

He hit one of those shots and it took a lot out of him. But if you think you're gonna turn the ball over 18, 20 plus times, it'd be okay. See you. Not because they're gonna get some easy buckets on your ass.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

They thrive. They thrive off them turnovers.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Uncle Joe, Another. Another thing too, right? Are you saying when we need. Need to establish down there in the post, you know that double, that double gonna come fast.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So that's what I want.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, now, the onus is on everybody else. Even with.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Even with that slashing. Maybe they don't get that up easy. You're gonna have to be able to hit them shots from outside too.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yes, yes.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I. I think if you okc. You don't double him right away. I wouldn't double him right away. I'm making. He had to make a couple on me, Uncle Ocho, for me to send a double team. Okay. Damn. If he done shots all right, we don't really want him to get him rolling too good. Only cat, as soon as he catch it, let's bring the double. But for the initial, they do a great job. But just physicality, bro. Just. Just keeping him off the block, you know, like. Like when. When. When BP was on here the other day. We talk about doing your work early. Soon as he come across half court, if he come inside this three point line, it's resistance the whole time. So by the time he catch the ball, Hell, we didn't. Took some of his damn legs. He ain't got too much energy and effort to give. Just keeping it 100, you know what I mean? And that's. I think. What okc. That's the game plan. Keep a body on his ass at all times. They are.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

That's why he only had four rebounds now. Plus, he ain't. He don't really chase no rebounds. Because if you think about it, there have been times he had the rebound right there and the guard come take it right out his hands. He's like, go ahead and get it. I'm like, man, look here. If y' all see me down here, don't y' all come down here and get your. For real.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That's how bigs be, though.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, hey, look, you'll Have Big tell you. They'll tell you during a timeout or a halftime after the game. Hey, man, stay your ass from down here. Messing my rebounds now, you know. Hey, hey, them Big don't be playing by their rebound. But you right, Wimby ain't got that, like, stinginess to him, that greediness to him on the defense end to where he want to grab every rebound. That will come, though, that will come as long as he keep. The longer he keeps playing and he starts to understand, you know, he wants to be an mvp, he's always gonna be in the conversation, so he'll be able to. Yeah, to be able to average 25 plus points. Hell, double figures and rebounders, you always. He gonna lead the league in blocks for the next five, seven damn years. So he'll have a. He'll have a. He'll definitely have an opportunity to be an MVP conversation every year. And I think that that would definitely be the difference.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I. I also think the thing is, Joe, the Spurs second unit is going to have to do a better job of keeping the OKC second unit under to contain. They have to do a better job. They can't let Jay. They can't let Jay Will get that. They can't let McCain get that. They can't let Caruso do. They cannot. You can't give. Joe, you're not beating a team. If you allow the team's bench to score 76 damn points, you're not beating them.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, will they do that again, though? Will the bench be able to come out and have that kind of goddamn efficiency? Man, the boys are balling the way they play, the way the bench played the other night, Joe. And yeah, it would be starting on other teams.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, but here, the problem that you have, Ocho, is that they outscored them by 32. They outscored them by 34. So even if they don't play like that, they're still outscoring them by 30 plus. You give up 30 plus you let the bench consistently outscore your team by 30, you're gonna lose. Yeah, you're gonna lose because your starters can't play but so much. And when you go to the bench, bench, you find yourself coming back in. You're down 10, you're down 14. Okay, you cut it back. You go back to the bench, you find yourself back down them numbers again. So you're never playing from an advantageous situation. You're always playing catch up.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And once they weather that storm, I gave you everything I had. And you know, she over There. I wasn't bow daddy. Oh, no. What you mean? When do you expect this to happen? I need a nap this Sunday. I'll see you Wednesday.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, I need a nap first. I need that.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

A nap. I need a nap. About two or three meals in me to build back up. I gotta recharge this battery. And so when you look at OKC and you look how they come at you in waves. McCain doing what he does. Jay. Jay Will doing what he does. Caruso has been there, done that. He's tried, true and tested.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

So I, I, I guess the next step for the Thunder is who they start at the, at the, at the 3. Since A.J. mitchell gonna be out. He out. You got Jaylen Williams out. So that's two perimeter guys. You really plug him.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Caruso starting. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Caruso gonna start.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, Caruso and Lou Dort, along with Shay and the two bigs.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, I'm, I'm glad you just said Crusoe's name. Hey, Joe. And give me, give me a better explanation. As great as he is, Crusoe is defensively. Hell, he do every goddamn thing.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

With the disadvantage in height, and they still put Caruso on goddamn Wimby. What. What's the reason for that?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

It don't matter. It don't matter how big the dog is. It's how much fight he got in him.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Caruso got some fight, Ocho. Yes.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And you got to look at, look at. Wimby is not strong in his lower bodies, so he's at a disadvantage. Caruso is wiry strong. If you remember last year, they put Caruso on Jokic.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And he did a great job of keeping him from getting where he wanted to go.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yogurt ain't got that kind of feet. He ain't got that kind of movement, so he damn near. He not well. Listen, I don't want to be disrespectful. He can't move like Wimby.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Listen, the, the smaller guys always, to some degree, has an advantage because he has lower leverage.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Right.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

He down here.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, if you tried to push up

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

top and he down here, it's hard, bro. And his feet is quicker than Wimby's, you know what I mean? So he can slide his feet. Stay in front of him, keep him in front. And Wimby. Yeah. Hell, he'll take a tough shot and make a tough shot over him. But you gonna live with that, bro?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Live with it?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. Versus, Versus him being out there winding Hardenstein up, driving by Hardenstein, and Once he take off on that launch pad,

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

what we gonna do with that?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

We can't do nothing with.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And. And as long as. And Wimby hasn't figured out consistently, once I get the ball up here, I don't need to bring it down here to Caruso sweet spot. I gotta just. Hey, I'm gonna keep it up here and turn and shoot over the top of you.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Every time he bring it down, Caruso gonna get it.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. Yep. All he got. He still. He Obviously at 22 years old, man, y' all know, he still got some maturity and policy.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

So much to learn.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

And he will be. He will be great over the next 10 to 15, 20 years, however long he gets a chance to play. You know, this is a learning curve for him, bro. But I know they want. They want to win in this learning process, but I just feel like with the experience that the Thunder have, understanding what they have to do now, you know, as far as the type of physicality that they have to bring to the game, there will be somebody else who will step up for the Thunder. I think in order for them to win this game.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

4.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I think the thing is you gotta. You gotta try. C. I. I think if you go back and look, they did a great job for like the first half on. On Shay. And then he got going. Yeah.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And when he got going now, like, damn. What do we do if we send the double? Guys are knocking down shot. Jay Will and knocking down shot. McCain is knocking down shot. Caruso is knocking down shots. Wallace is knocking down shots. So damn, man. I mean. And so. So what do I do, Joe? If I go one on one, I know Shay gonna cook me. If I help with Shay guys are knocking down shots. It's like, okay, we brought the double. It's like the Lakers. Lakers say, you know what? We're gonna make sure he give it up. Okay, he gave it up. But a Jay Mitchell. But A.J. mitchell couldn't miss.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Right? Right.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Caruso couldn't miss. So now, I mean, you.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, look, you. You got. But the spurs got defenders. It ain't like they've been playing bad defense. I think they've been playing in pretty damn good. I just think when you're a great player, you're gonna take and make tough shots.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Absolutely.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

And that's what Shay. That's what Shea has been doing. He's been taking a lot of 17, 18, 19 foot jump shots right inside the three. Analytically, they would say them a bad damn shot. But look, those shots are shots that he Will be able to get every game, bro. He just has to make them.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

But the problem is, Joe, that's a bad shot for most people. That is a sweet spot shot for him.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I'm saying, like, ah, nah, nah, hey, this is where I want him. No, this is where he want to be.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah. Listen, bro, I've been there, man. I'm talking about in the post season to where it's so much attention on you if you get inside the damn paint. They send in the double so damn quick that you can't even turn your head fast enough to get off the ball. So you have to work on these long twos, long threes. And this is why you get guys like Dame Lillard and Steph Curry. They extended their range two, three, four steps beyond the three point line. So you have to respect them out there. Now if you come out here and guard me, I got all this real estate to come downhill and be able to work with. And I think for Shay, his three point game ain't like that yet. He'll make a three, but his two point game is so immaculate that he's able to get to his spots, pull up, and then he put him in that hucklebuck. Ocho to where you start to go for these pump fakes. Okay, boom, I got you now. Let me get to the line. Give me a couple free throws. Get a nice little rhythm. I done made two, three free throws in a row. Four free throws. Now this jump shot done opened up. Now y' all at my mercy, you know what I mean? So now I done done my job. Now if y' all start to bring the double team. Okay, boom. Now you got check wide open for three. Now you got the Wallace and the Carusos and J Dubs, you know what I mean? Now the floors opened up, so I. I think Shay understands that part.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Joe. God ain't finna give Shay the ability to shoot the three like goddamn Stephen Dane. What the hell? Six, seven. To be able the way they could. Cause you gotta understand they. They two or three times through the leg and pull up in your face. That ain't really Shay's game. Shay's looking to sidestep. Yeah, and they all can both. All Dame and.

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

And.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And Steph can sidestep. But the ability, the ability to handle the ball and shoot it like that from out there, man, he went like, he'll win eight MVPs in a row. You can't let that man be able to. Cause just think about it. If you gave Dame, if you Gave Dame Lillard with his ability to shoot the ball, if you gave him Shay's height.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

If you gave Steph Curry his ability to shoot the ball, you gave him shade height.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I can't say God ain't gonna give you anything.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hell no. I mean, so you want, so you won't, you won't. Shaq, with his size and his dominance, to be able to shoot 90 from the three, I mean from the free throw line and to be able to shoot a three point, just, just, let's just say a 15 foot shot, that's not fair. Shaq damaged 50 easy. I can't get you K. I can't give him everything. I gotta take something. It's like AI, just imagine if AI was 6, 8, can handle the ball like he handled it, cat quick, like he was, and playable. God had to make him 6 foot, a buck 65. That ain't fair. Yeah, yeah, I got, look, he gotta take something.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah,

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

but I, I, the thing is, is that, you know, I've got to be able to live with something. I got to be able to live with something. So if I shut his water off, I got to be living, I got to be able to live with holes popping up elsewhere.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Too good of a team.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I got a leak somewhere. They too, but I know Shay is the main, Shay is the main source. I want to neutralize that as much as I possibly can. Because if I don't neutralize that, I ain't got no chance, I don't, I have no chance in beating.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I, I think even though Shea is great, obviously, two time mvp, one time champ, they just too good of a damn team. As good as he is. I mean, you, you look at the guys who, they, they've been having a different guy pretty much every game outside of him to step up and really help win games since game one, like they have a plethora of guys so they can throw at you and everybody, I mean, from top to bottom, bro, they know they roll. Do y' all know how many games have went by to where the big J Dub hadn't played? And you mean to tell me you throw his ass in there like this game three, hostile environment, and that man give you 18 points for what? Five for six from three? Come on, man.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And that's the thing, Joe, he came in, out the rip. As soon as he came in, they left him open. He hit a shot. I'm like, well, damn. And I know they said, hey, let's see if he can make a couple, right? Well, he make a Couple of those. He gonna get in the rhythm. And now you got hell on your hands. And then guess what? Jerry McCain come in. He knocking it down. Wallace knocking it down. I think Caruso started three for three from the three.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Caruso has been basically their second best player.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Because he's been the second most. Because he's. Shay's been the guy. But Caruso's been right there.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Because I said, Joe, ain't no way he gonna make. He gonna keep stay this hot. He stayed that hot. From the three point line. What's Caruso shooting from the three? He probably shooting 60 plus damn percent.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

He probably. Yeah, yeah, he been hot. He been hot. He been hot. I'm looking, I'm looking for.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

That's Ghost Pepper hot.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, yeah. I'm looking for check homer to step up though, in game four. You know, I'm looking for him to be a little more assertive, you know, put his stamp on this series because he's an all star. He's a hell of a player. And hell, we acting like Chick ain't seven one, seven two.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Hell, well, he damn sure don't want to deal with that 7 5. Cause they got Caruso, they got everybody else dealing with it. And you first team, all NBA. Ocho, how that look? You the number. You, you defensive player. You're a defensive player of the year candidate. You are all NBA. I mean, you are NFL defensive player. And all of a sudden. Nah, I ain't gonna deal with Ocho. You. Hey, you go get. No. Hell no. You get it.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Wow. Caruso shooting better from the three than he is from the two.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, look for the thunder, though, Uncle Ojo. Yeah, you don't want, you don't want check gardening right off dump.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I, I want Hardenstein guarding them off dump just so he can lean on and wear him down a little bit. Then, you know, in the second half half, you'll start to see. Check on them a little more after, you know, you didn't kind of took some of his legs. I, I think that's the strategy that OKC is going with. And obviously, hell, since game one, you know, it's been pretty effective if you ask me.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, but I mean, Caruso shooting 61 from the three.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, man, that's scorching, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And, and, and, and, and, and a, a championship. I mean, think about it. I mean, the guy might have a game or two, but that's the regular season. He's shooting 61% from the 3 in a conference finals.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Listen they have. They have a bunch of unselfish guys. Yeah, they have a bunch of guys who understand how to get the spots on the floor, meaning get inside that paint. We always talk about guys in basketball like, you got guards who always can find a way and maneuver and finagle the defense to where they can always get inside the teeth of the defense. Man, you're gonna be pretty damn good because if you don't score, you're always gonna be able to create opportunities because the defense is always gonna collapse and you'll be able to kick out for wide open threes. And Caruso and Wallace and those guys, they've been recipients of a lot of that. Them great passes, bro. All they gotta continue to do is keep making shots here.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The Lake Lakers reportedly have a new assistant general manager who is literally. I mean, he's literally a rocket scientist as head of the important off season. As they head into the important offseason. Lakers hired New Orleans Pelicans vice president of strategy and operations Rohan Ramadas to be the assistant gm. Ramadas will be under team president Rob Pelinka in his new role ahead of the 2024 season. The Pelicans are now announced they elevated Ramadas to senior director of analytics and innovation after he spent seven years as an analytics consultant for the team. He was also the draft analyst for the Miami heat during the 201617 campaign, according to the Pelikan announcement. Spent five spent the past 12 years supporting aerospace corporations US Space Force and NASA as. As a rocket guidance, navigation, control and missions design engineer. One Pelican Source told Dave McMenamin and Shams. He's literally a rocket scientist and he used AI encoded models to help the New Orleans front office help him. What are they trying to put somebody in space?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

What does that have to do. What does that have to do with winning and playing basketball?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Well, hey, maybe they're trying to put. Maybe they're trying to go up in spades. Joe, what is this, man?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I have no clue.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, that's your fault.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That is my fault, Joe.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

I don't know, Joe. I gotta have. I need somebody to blame, so I'm just gonna blame you. We trying to win games over here. They bringing in someone.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

I'm saying he must have done a good job for New Orleans bringing in players or something. Why did the Lakers hire.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Do you see the players?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That's what I'm asking. That's what I'm asking. I'm like, damn, what he do for. For me to be like, I'm happy for the Lakers? Well, I don't know.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I guess he's smart. I mean, if they try. Look, if they tried to put people in space, that's the guy I would call. But as a basketball, what is your eyes.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That's what I'm saying, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

What does your eyes tell you? How does he fit what you're trying to do?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, hey, normally when they make changes like this, you know, they bring in assistant GM help and all this, that mean it's been something. It's gonna. Hey, it's gonna be some furniture moving. It's gonna be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And they base everything on analytics. Look here, I'm going to say, hey, Sam, Preston it. I'm stealing somebody for. You know what? I'm stealing somebody from okc. I'm stealing somebody from San Antonio because they seem to get it right.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, at least copy what they do. Copy what they do.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

What is hell?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Hey, Joe, you know, you look at the NFL, right? Every owner should be trying to copy Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie in the way they operate.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Everybody. But when they go get coaches, where they go get them coaches from the Kyle Shanahan tree, the Mike Shanahan tree, from Sean McVeigh. Hey, they get them from Matt LaFleur. They get them from Andy Reid. Why? Because those guys have success. Hello. When were the Pelicans last in the playoffs? When was the Pelicans last in the. In the chat, in the final.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That's what I'm saying. It must have been his partner or something. Man,

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I ain't got no problem. I ain't got no. Look, I. Look, I think the thing is, sometimes, like when you run a business, you own a business, and, you know, you get people that you're comfortable with people lying out. Oh, Joe. The way people lie on their resume now with this damn AI.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

That Chad GPT.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, my goodness. Jo. Oo.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

You know they gonna do a background check. It's hard. It's hard to L. It's hard to lie on the resume.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

No, it's not, cuz that's your resume. How they gonna do a background check? You might have graduated, but you ain't do none of the stuff that you said.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, well, you know, uncle, you got. You know, you got to put it down to reference.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Huh? Oo.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yes, sir.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Let me ask you a question. Question. If somebody called and said, man, Ocho. Ocho said he would club. She was with Nightcap for 10 years. Ocho was great, man, you might have been a jerk, man. Ocho was unbelievable. Always on time. He ain't never late. The one thing Ocho gonna do, he gonna work hard now.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Everything that he got, he entertaining. See?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, See, I did that up. Hey, when I leave, I ain't gonna say nothing bad about you. You don't say nothing bad about me.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

We watch the movie, right?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I'm just trying to figure out what does a rocket scientist have to do with basketball.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Man, listen, when you look over there on them benches, it's more assistant coaches and damn analytical people sitting over there than it's ever been ever in the history of the game. It's. Damn them. It's more coaches damn near them than players. Now, now, I'm talking about. Look at the first two rows by the head coach and right behind him. Yes, bro. It's so many coaches nowadays.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

You right. You absolutely right. Well, look, I don't know what he has to do, but the Lakers have done a terrible job of drafting players, so. Hell, I guess you try anything. Think about it. The best player they've gotten in the last probably decade is an undrafted free agent, Austin Reeves.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Let that sink in for just a second. Just for a second chat. Let that sink in. The best player that the. They didn't draft him is Austin Reeves.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

No question. No question.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, my goodness. Damn Lakers. Well, you know what?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Got. Think positive. Think positive.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I'm thinking about where LeBron going.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

He may just end up staying in LA, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, Lord have mercy. Because I'm gonna have to move my Laker jersey. I have to move my Laker jerseys around.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

You know, he ain't gonna.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They can't be.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

He ain't gonna tell nobody when he gonna bust no move. You just gonna have to see him busting it.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, you gonna find out like everybody gonna find at the same time.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah,

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

that's. That's. That's one thing. Oh, my goodness. Lakers, what have you done? James Harden was asked after the game on if the Knicks are better than the CAVS. It was 4.0, but I don't think we had a chance as far as our best shot. Genuinely, I do feel like we are a better team series wise. We didn't show it.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Wait. He said, wait. They lost four holes, they got swept, but they still feel like they were the better team series wise, even though you lost said series.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

He sounds like his damn head coach without the analytical man.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Come on.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

So the analytics said you were better, but you still got swept and bad. So analytics. Analytics is messing up basketball. Damn.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Now analytics is messing up sports because it doesn't take it it doesn't take take into consideration momentum.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Momentum.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

All it does is you punch it in numbers. But what about the momentum of the game? What what coaches used to coach on gut. Now analytics say we should go for it. Analytics say we should punt it. Analytics say we should.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Analytics say we should shoot more threes. Then what.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

If they had lost one game? You know what, Joe Ocho, if the series was that first game, maybe I'd be. I would probably believe James Harden. I say, you know what they were had a little slip up. Things happen, right? But when you get beat like this every game after game one, how can you even fix your mouth to say that you think that you think you can't lose by 37 points. Ain't no way you can lose by 37 points and think you're a better team. Ain't no way you can lose in the manner in which they lost the other day and think you're a better team. There's no way in hell that you think you can get blown out and get. None of the games were even close, Joe. After game one, they ended up losing

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

game one by game one was so. It was too demoralizing, man. I'm telling you, it knocked them. Listen, it rattled them and they never were the same, bro. Like they hadn't been close to none of the damn games ever since.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Sometimes you just got to be honest.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Nah, we just ain't that damn good.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

We, we.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Hey, we ain't got enough.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I like to think we're better. But at the end of the day, you are what your record says. Our record Sundays. Oh, and four in the eastern Conference finals. That's what we are. Yeah, and if there's very rare, there's a very, very rare case in which a team will lose a win a series and not be the better team. Ocho, how can I, Joe? How can I be lucky four times? I'm not finna hit no 3, two game winning shots. So even if I hit those game winning shots, what happened to other two

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

games

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I beat you? These games weren't close. I can see if they were, you know, nip and tug a game here or there. What 37 point shot you got. If they say, okay, you guys hit five shots in a row from half court, you guys win game four. James Harden now has played 191 playoffs game without a championship, which is two behind Karl Malone for the most in NBA history. Those two players are tied for the most playoff wins, 98 without a title. Mike Brown is back in the NBA Finals for the first time since 2007. The 19 year gap is the longest by coach in league history. His 11 game playoff win streak is also the longest by head coach. And it's his first season with a new team.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Shout out. Mike Brown, bro.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Yeah, man.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Perfect.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Perfect situation.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yep, yep. You. Hey, hey. He inherited a team that they just came off of them Eastern Conference. Yeah. Finals loss. And for him to be able to get him back there and get him to the Finals. Mike Brown, he gonna be. Hey, he gonna be stamped in New York too, huh?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Oh, yeah, Lord, absolutely. And I think the thing is. The thing is that what he didn't do that Tim's. Did he roll them into the ground. He grinds them down to the Nubs. They got the guys playing 40 and 42 minutes in the regular season and then when they get to the postseason, they out of game.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

And I think Mike Brown understood it. Space and pace, you know, using Cat to be the passer to initiate the offense and letting Brunson be more of like a AI guy, you know, I think he, he got it right with this one. They got a good thing going. What's up? You don't know what, what you saying? What's wrong? What's going on?

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

The calves of that performance that they

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

put on, that was bad.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

We can't add now. We just. Now we.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They should have, they should have just let the. What you call. They should have let Detroit. I think Detroit gave him a better series than that.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

The problem, the. The problem with Detroit, we know defensively they would have been there. It's just they ain't got enough damn firepower neither to keep up with the Knicks. But I think, I personally think it probably. It would have been a better series just due to the defense that they can, you know, at the level they can defend.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Over.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

They're not going to quit.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Nope.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Joe Missoula was named 2025, 2026 Coach of the Year.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Wow.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Zula led the Celtics to a 56 and 26 record in what most people considered an impossible situation keeping the franchise afloat considering Jason Tatum spent the majority of the season recovering from an Achilles injury. Injury. Joe Missoula beat out J.B. bickerstaff from the Pistons and Ms. Johnson from the Spurs. Joe Ocho, did they get it right?

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah, I would say so. Considering that, you know, you got your best player, one of your best players down, and Jason Tatum, a guy who obviously you play through, he controls a lot of what you do and to be able to adjust that and put a lot of that on Jaylen Brown's

[NBA Player (possibly Bobby Portis)]

back,

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

man, I thought it was great. They was plug and play. They had a lot of guys play above and beyond themselves throughout this whole entire season. Obviously they just came short of the goals.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

O they get it right?

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Absolutely. I think they did get it right. Especially based on the circumstances with Jayson Tatum going down the previous season. Going to the season. No one really gave the Boston cells a good chance. They never give him a chance at all. And what Jaylen Brown was able to do for them, keeping them keeping their head above water, steering that goddamn ship and being second, you know, coming out the east, you know, you got to give it to the coach. Even though I think it's more so the players as opposed to it being the coach itself, he still gets rewarded for what the players did on the court.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I agree. I think if you take, take. I don't know, you could say Castle, the second best player from San Antonio or you take whoever the second best player is during the regular season. I guess it was Jalen Duran. I mean, clearly he wasn't the second best player in the postseason. And to get a 56 and 26 record.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Nah, because he's not just Jason Tatum.

[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

Is.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

Was a three time or three or four time first team all NBA select selection.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

He's been on two Olympic teams. He was a Larry Bird Eastern Conference fine player of the MVP. So he's just not a guy. And you're taking 30 points, six, seven rebounds, five, six assists. You're taking that away. And somehow you still managed to go 56 and 26. Yeah, I definitely think they got it right. And I'm just not to take away from those other guys because I think J.B. bickerstaff getting that team to the number one seed is a huge accomplishment.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I think Ms. Johnson getting dispersed to 62 wins, I think that's a huge accomplishment. But for the most part they had all their pieces.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And for you to lose that piece and considering what they let go, because remember Joe, this was supposed. Hey, hey. Przinga's gone. Al Horford gone. Holiday, all these guys are gone. Holiday gone. Yeah. And somehow you still able to do this. Yeah, they definitely got it right.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

I don't know how close it was, but it probably shouldn't have been that close.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

Yeah.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

And I.

[Sports Analyst/Commentator]

And look. And jb, jb. Jalen Brown was great all season, but those other guys around him, they played, they played great throughout the season, bro. They had different guys step up in different times and I thought it helped keep them at the top of the east, it did.

[Joe (Host/Analyst)]

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[Joe Ocho (Host/Analyst)]

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