Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Cavs SWEPT, Knicks Advance to NBA Finals + Myles Garrett trade incoming?

Summary

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Nightcap Podcast – Deebo & Joe, Part 1 (May 26, 2026)

Hosts: Debo Harrison & Joe James
Main theme: Unfiltered breakdown of the Cavs’ NBA playoff sweep, the Knicks’ run to the NBA Finals, and swirling rumors about Myles Garrett’s future with the Browns.

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Nightcap" is a raw therapy session for Cleveland sports fans, as Deebo and Joe react immediately after the Cavaliers’ humiliating sweep at the hands of the New York Knicks. The duo covers everything from courtside drama involving celebrities and Dan Gilbert’s power move, to the lack of accountability in the Cavs’ locker room, and a heated debate over whether a Myles Garrett trade is on the horizon. Throughout, Deebo holds nothing back, challenging Joe’s loyalties and the city’s sports culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Courtside Chaos: Dan Gilbert vs. Knicks Celebrities

Timestamps: 04:40 – 11:20

• Joe’s courtside experience: Joe paints a vivid picture of the playoff game, sharing how Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert flexed his power by banning Knicks celebrities, including Fat Joe, Spike Lee, and Kylie Jenner, from the courtside seats—even after they paid.
  • "Dan Gilbert did one of the most gangster things I’ve ever seen... Dan Gilbert did not let none of them sit on the front row. So everybody was sitting row two, watching us getting our ass beat." – Joe James [05:31]
• Fat Joe’s reaction: Fat Joe publicly complains after buying tickets and getting relocated, but Joe shrugs it off, arguing that as owner, Gilbert can run his house as he sees fit.
• Deebo challenges the fairness: Deebo wonders if this is “janky,” especially since fans may save up for a once-in-a-lifetime courtside experience, only to be pushed back.
  • "That's janky as hell. Like, I ain't never heard of the Rooneys doin' nothing like that." – Deebo Harrison [10:54]
• Celebrity privilege: Joe contends this wasn’t random fans, but “Celebrity Knicks fans” trying to invade Cleveland’s home-court.
• Alternate reality check: Deebo flips the scenario, asking how Joe would feel if the same happened at Madison Square Garden.
  • "You bought courtside seats and they decide to sit you row two. What you go do?" – Deebo Harrison [09:20]
• Outcome: Both agree that while it’s the owner’s right, it stings—but most regular fans aren’t getting this treatment.

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2. Cavs Playoff Meltdown & Lack of Accountability

Timestamps: 19:40 – 27:29, 32:47 – 33:55

• On-court embarrassment: Joe gives a painfully honest account of the Cavs being outplayed, noting the mood among Cleveland fans was “embarrassing, literally. We're down 30. We're down 40. My man, MGK, I seen him in this. Like, I thought my man was about to shed a tear. Dead ass." [25:43]*
• Excuses from the Cavs: Debo plays clips from players like Donovan Mitchell, who despite the sweep, claim, “We are the better team,” and point to fatigue or circumstance.
  • “It was 4-0. But soon as you say ‘but’, everything you said before that, and everything you say after that, don’t mount to a hill of beans...” – Deebo Harrison [20:52]
  • "The one thing I'm gonna say about my team right now is it's the leadership, it's the accountability, it's the dog. We gotta know, like, you gotta stand on. We got our ass beat." – Joe James [24:27]
• Deebo’s critique: Deebo is unsparing about coaching and leadership.
  • "The mentality and mindset of everybody is gone because of the coach and the leaders that you have that are feeding into what the coach is giving them." [25:04]
  • "Your top two players, no accountability. Your coach, no accountability. Nobody has no accountability." [22:56]
• Bottom line: Both hosts agree: Cleveland got “belt to ass”—it wasn’t about talent or legs, it was lack of dog, leadership, and readiness.

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3. Myles Garrett Trade Rumors & Browns Drama

Timestamps: 33:56 – 41:54

• Chris Canty's speculation: Former NFL player Chris Canty claims a Myles Garrett trade is brewing due to unexplained contractual decisions and absence from team activities.
  • "There's no way to explain the way things have unfolded in Cleveland this offseason other than Myles Garrett trade is coming." – Summary of Canty’s take, via Deebo [33:56]
• Facts:
  • Myles Garrett has deferred $30 million and missed mandatory minicamps.
  • New Browns head coach and defensive coordinator haven’t met face-to-face with Garrett.
  • Deebo sees the writing on the wall; Joe is reluctant at first but comes around.
• Deebo’s analysis:
  • “Everything happens for a reason, Joe. Nothing is by chance. You don't just move 30,000 just for the hell of it. 30 million for the hell of it, Joe. Everything happens for a reason.” [37:48]
• Joe’s reluctant agreement:
  • "The more and more time that passes right now, Debo...I'm really thinking that the Browns are trying to...They're going to try to move. I think they want to move on from Miles, bro. I think they do. I think that Miles, at the same time, wants to go do something else, too.” – Joe James [38:42]
• Bigger picture: Both hosts agree, sometimes the drive for a championship surpasses money. Joe predicts if another minicamp is missed, it’s “starting to look a little messy.” [37:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Dan Gilbert did one of the most gangster things I’ve ever seen." – Joe James [05:31]
• "That's janky as hell. Like, I ain't never heard of the Rooneys doin' nothing like that." – Deebo Harrison [10:54]
• "It got to the point of embarrassing, literally. We're down 30. We're down 40. My man, MGK, I seen him in this. Like, I thought my man was about to shed a tear. Dead ass." – Joe James [25:43]
• "It was 4-0. But soon as you say 'but', everything you said before that, and everything you say after that, don’t mount to a hill of beans." – Deebo Harrison [20:52]
• "Your top two players, no accountability. Your coach, no accountability. Nobody has no accountability." – Deebo Harrison [22:56]
• "I think they want to move on from Miles, bro. I think they do. I think that Miles, at the same time, wants to go do something else, too." – Joe James [38:42]

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Episode Timeline & Key Segments

• Courtside drama & celebrity ban: 04:40 – 11:20
• Knicks sweep & Cavs’ accountability issues: 19:40 – 27:29
  • Clips & breakdown of post-game excuses: 19:59 – 22:56
• Fan experience after the sweep: 32:47 – 33:55
• Browns & Myles Garrett trade speculation: 33:56 – 41:54

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Final Takeaways

• Cavalier collapse wasn’t about talent; it was about accountability and coaching.
• Dan Gilbert sets the tone—at courtside and for the franchise.
• Cleveland’s best defensive superstar, Myles Garrett, may be halfway out the door—and both hosts agree that sometimes, change (however painful) is necessary in pursuit of a championship.
• Raw, cathartic Cleveland sports talk with equal parts humor, realness, and harsh truth.

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Transcript

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[Joe James]

I had a long day. I'm on my way home now. I'm in the. I'm in the hills, Debo. I'm headed back from a frustrating loss. It was actually crazy, I'm not gonna lie to you. I was in the building, you know. I woke up this morning, I had a flight to get back home so I could be in my house to watch, you know what I'm saying? To do the show. I woke up late, missed my flight, Woke up at 8:30. So now I'm in the car. I'm. I'm. Damn. I'm probably next to you. I'm. I'm driving from Cleveland to back to D.C. and I'm probably in Pittsburgh Hills right now. Where we at? Yeah, I'm in Pittsburgh Hills. I'm in Allegheny. Headed. Headed back to my house. From a belt to ass.

[Debo Harrison]

Oh, no question.

[Joe James]

I was right there courtside. I'm gonna tell you one thing. Dan Gilbert did one of the most gangster things I've ever seen. I'm courtside, Deebo. You know, I'm courtside. I could triple referee. I felt like I was in my physique seats. Spike Lee was row two. Kylie Jenner was road two. That man, Dan Gilbert, the Fat Joe, all the people from the Knicks that came from New York and thought it was going to be sweet and sit courtside and laugh and Haha and Kiki, while we was getting belt to ass, they put. Dan Gilbert, did not let none of them sit on the front row. So everybody was sitting row two, watching us getting our ass beat.

[Debo Harrison]

I mean, like that. You was. You was happy. You was happy about that. You roll one no side C. No, I was.

[Joe James]

I mean, look, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't my choice, but that's what happened. I was trying to figure out. Because Spike was there and they was just. And then did not let nobody from New York.

[Debo Harrison]

I'm just saying, I'm looking at it right now. I mean, Fat Joe plus 10 Knicks fans banned from courtside at the Cavs playoff games relocated to new seats. Fat Joe said he bought some courtside tickets to the game. And once they found out that it was super fan Fat Joe, he was like, hey, they look like you can't sit courtside. They said New York fans can't sit courtside. He said they took the tickets away courtside after they purchased it.

[Joe James]

Debo. That happened. I didn't know how, but I'm like, dang. I knew. I pulled up and my boys hit me. Cause I got to the game, Deebo, at 8, 10. I'm like five minutes late. You know what I'm saying? I'm rushing to get there, straight to the game. Soon as I get there, I'm calling my ticket man. Rhett. My good man's like, joe, where you at? Your seats are open. They're blowing my phone up right now. You need to get in those seats. I'm like, okay, my bad, Rhett. I'm hustling. I'm trying to get here. You know what I'm saying? So then I got in my seat.

[Debo Harrison]

Did they refund the man? Did they give him his money back. What did they do, Joe?

[Joe James]

They put him in row two, I guess. I don't know. I was looking. I saw Fat Joe over there. I saw Spike right there. I saw Kylie and him right there. But guess what? It didn't. Honestly. Honestly.

[Debo Harrison]

You know what?

[Joe James]

Better they honestly, they had a better time than I did. I would have sat road. I would have said Road 30 if we would have won by 30. It didn't matter about the seats. I'm sitting at a good great seats.

[Debo Harrison]

Listen, this is what happens. Yo, this is what happened. You know, Fat Joe was on espn, he was talking and he, he was like, yo, Quote, he said, he said, that's why I came to Cleveland so we can be done tonight. He said, I want this over with. And then he went to go sit at them seats and they said, get your ass into row two or three that he bought. They said we don't care. We don't. I'm Danny Gilbert. I'm Dan. Gil. This is my.

[Joe James]

I will give your bread back.

[Debo Harrison]

Sit where I want you to sit and I'll give you your money back and still sit you where you at.

[Joe James]

I lied to you not brother. That's why that man Dan Gilbert is a cold ass owner. He don't care about none of that. I own the team. This is my house. If you come into my house, I tell you where you sit. You going to buy these seats. I get your money back. It's no, no, no, no, no. Calves only.

[Debo Harrison]

Okay?

[Joe James]

Rocking with Dan. If I'm a corner of a team and he, he could do what he want to do.

[Debo Harrison]

Joe. Yeah, all that hold up. Let's flip this, Joe. Let's flip this. Since this is so gangster. This is so gangster.

[Joe James]

It is.

[Debo Harrison]

You go to New York, y' all about to sweep the Knicks. You done brought courtside seats and they decide to sit you row two. What you go do?

[Joe James]

I'm going to get my bread back. This one, I'm telling you, the owner of the Knicks, that's his house. So if I buy them tickets. And then he's like, oh, that's Joe that bought them tickets. Here, take your little cheese back.

[Debo Harrison]

So you said you don't spent 20 a ticket. You got 40,000 and they sit you on the second, third row and then they give you a refund. You good with that, huh? You haven't seen. They just close it out. They, they all who all having a good time and they can't even see you. All they see is your shoes in the picture. And everybody else in, in the front row.

[Joe James]

This what I'm telling you. If I own the team and I'm going to make sure if I bought the team, you find out it's me, you give my money back. Long as long as you do. As long as you do what you got to do and give me my bread back, then you could you do it. Because guess what? You own the stadium. I'm not going to tell you how to run yourself. You got it? But I'm telling you.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah, man, why you even bruh, if you don't want nobody sitting there that ain't. Don't, don't put it on sale, man. Don't even allow nobody to sell it. Go buy it from them so you can pick and choose who you want on your courtside floor. Don't even allow it to be sold. Go and get it. Tell them you want to give them whatever it is. Like, come on, Debo.

[Joe James]

That's what happens though, you know, the normal, the people. When you have the ticket.

[Debo Harrison]

Hey, that must be. That must be a cleaner thing. That's janky as hell. Like, I ain't never heard of the Rooneys doing nothing like that. Hey, we getting beat, whatever it may be. We taking away your level 100 seats. That's right down there behind us because we don't want you say what?

[Joe James]

Yeah, that's how dad is rocking.

[Debo Harrison]

You cool with that, Joe?

[Joe James]

Huh?

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[Debo Harrison]

Hit me with the, you supposed to be a change man. You a man of God now. And all this other stuff. And I started thinking, you know what? And I'm like, hey, they're right. I'm not gonna go hard on Joe. So when you called me Joe, I ain't even go. I didn't even go, did I? I didn't go. But now, Joe, no, you didn't. I'm starting to think. I'm starting to think, Joe, like, maybe I made a mistake in my assumption that you would be a person that would be like, you know what? What they did wasn't right. I can see what they did. I can, I, I can. I, I can, I can understand, but it was wrong. The man paid for the seeds. Like, like, what if that was somebody that ain't never had an opportunity sit in the front row of a game. He done spent his last dime. He done paid everything he done had. He done saved up for this for. So he could be sitting courtside for this game for the sweep, and he going put him back in row two.

[Joe James]

I'mma tell you this. Dan Gilbert did not do that to just a random. He's not doing that to.

[Debo Harrison]

Oh, he was picking. He was

[Joe James]

he. Specifically who they are. Spike Lee. Whose tickets are these? Four? They're for Spike. Spike your ass, Fat Joe. Oh, and for you. You coming here, trying to come in here and rah rah these Knicks fans. No, sit your ass in road too, Kylie. It was crazy. I'm like, Kylie Jenner said the most famous people. Let me tell you something. Kylie Jenner and her boy and her dude, my man, her. Her boyfriend, they ended up getting up to the front row because, my man, the cast fans, was looking back like, damn, that's really cooling them. They switch. They took a picture with them. He might have gave something. He might have gave something, but he. He switched the seats and he got in the front row for show. So this is what I'm telling you. Dan is not doing it to nobody that's saving their money. Any, like, person that's trying to get up there like this.

[Debo Harrison]

Oh, who is the other 10?

[Joe James]

Huh?

[Debo Harrison]

Who were the other 10 that they moved?

[Joe James]

Brother, trust me, I don't know Debo.

[Debo Harrison]

Well, how you know it wasn't somebody that saved up everything?

[Joe James]

Because the names and faces, they're. That's celebrity row. New York Knicks fans, the celebrity being on front row, being courtside is the thing. And they was bringing their selves to Cleveland. And Dan said, that's what you're not about to do. You're not about to sit here. You got to get to courtside.

[Debo Harrison]

So it had nothing to do with the fact that your team played like trash, that they blew every possibility of winning the game? Didn't they run on like a 20 point run on them at one point? Like when y' all down by 40 at some point?

[Joe James]

Debo, I'm gonna tell you this. I'm telling you what was happening. It was bad.

[Debo Harrison]

It was bad. You know what was worse? You know what was worse? Listen to, Listen to. To what James Harden had to say. Harden said the Cavs are better than that, despite the sweep. Listen to what Harden had To say, play that, Harden.

[Joe James]

For me, reflecting on this series, how much better if they're better are the Knicks than. Than you guys

[Debo Harrison]

if they're better?

[Donovan]

I mean, I can't even, like, I can't even answer that question honestly. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it was 4 0, but I don't think we get. We had a chance as far as our best shot, you know, from. From a standpoint of the circumstances. You know, obviously they just. They. They dominated us 4 0.

[Debo Harrison]

But,

[Donovan]

yeah, I don't know if I can necessarily answer that question just because genuinely, I do feel like we. We are. We are the better team. But, you know, series wise, you know, I didn't show it. So. Tough question to answer.

[Debo Harrison]

Hey, Joe, this is the thing that I don't like about when people make statements Is it was 4 0. But soon as you say, but everything you said before that and everything that you say after that, it don't mount to a hill of beans because the butt give me the excuse that you coming up with or belief. Like, he said he believes. It's not. He's not saying they are. He said he believed that they're. That they're better. No, no. Like, Joe, what are you talking about? What are you talking about here?

[Joe James]

Joe Debo. He ain't talking about nothing. That's what he's talking about.

[Debo Harrison]

Matter of fact, hold on. Let me slow down. Let me slow down. Let me. Let me. Hey, hey. Listen to. Listen to what your boy Donovan said. Run that run with Donovan.

[Donovan]

It's just hilarious. We've done something that we haven't done since 2018, and we're still going. Like, there's only criticism everywhere. Like, we're on Kenny, right? But why we got here? Like, some people not saying Kenny or us believe it, but some people consider this. Like, oh, this is. This is great.

[Debo Harrison]

We.

[Donovan]

We did it, but we did it with Kenny. We didn't just go out there and coach ourselves, right? So then people are going to be people. People probably criticize me just as much and James and then. But I love Kenny. We love Kenny. We ride with Kenny, and ultimately that's all that matters, right? Like, I know for a fact he's from Long Island. He don't give a damn. Like, you know what I'm saying? But it's. It's. It's just the world we live in. We could have made it to the finals and got swept. Somebody's gonna say something. I told y' all that even if we won, there's gonna be something like can we do it? Like, it's always going to be something right? And it's always gonna be something for people to say. But ultimately we're in the thick of it.

[Debo Harrison]

We're.

[Donovan]

We're in it together. And that's my biggest thing. It's just people are gonna be people. And honestly, who cares? You know what I'm saying? We're in this together.

[Debo Harrison]

Hey, Joe, that's crazy. You know what's so crazy? Your top two players, no accountability. Your coach, no accountability. Nobody has no accountability. You know why? Everybody has got that old bullshit ass excuse from the coach. Analytics, analytics says we should be up. Oh, the players, they feeding into that same bullshit. Listening to that saying. They feeding the same thing out your top. Your top leaders have zero accountability. Ain't nobody said nothing about. You know what, man, we needed to do this better. We needed to do that better. They're talking about excuses. Oh, man, our legs, wasn't it? He talking about possibility of his legs not being fresh. That's crazy. You were up by 22 points in the fourth quarter in the first game with those so called not fresh legs. New York was. Motherfucker sitting over there waiting for y'

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all for a week.

[Debo Harrison]

They just went on ahead and knocked the rest off in three quarters, then jumped on y' all neck like, what are we talking about? Yo, what gotta be done here? Like the. Listen, one coach, I think coach gotta go again.

[Joe James]

He.

[Debo Harrison]

I love the coach. I love emotional connection. No, what is he doing that's gonna get you to the championship? What is he doing? He got you to where you're at. Yes, I understand that, but what did he do in that process once you got there, give you excuses and then watch you say the same thing to the. Just with different people saying it and, and different ways of saying it instead of taking accountability.

[Joe James]

I'm gonna tell you this. You, you're, you're exactly right. The one thing I'm gonna say about my team right now is it's, it's the leadership, it's the accountability, it's the dog. We gotta know, like, you gotta stand on. We got our ass beat. We got our ass beat. And that's exactly what happened. So all of this talk about legs, energy, execution, we got belt to ass. That's what happened, Debo. You can see you got me.

[Debo Harrison]

I got you, baby. My thing is this, Joe. Why did you miss your flight, Joe? I know why you missed your flight, Joe. You missed your flight because you had to drink your way through it and you couldn't get up in time, Joe. You know why? Because the coaching failed. The execution failed, the leadership is terrible. It's been like that because your coach has been terrible. Okay? The mentality and the mindset of everybody is gone because of the coach and the leaders that you have that are feeding into what the coach is giving them. Like, you done lost every game by double digits. What are you talking about? More talented? If you more talented, that means you were out coached, outplayed and you giving a whole bunch of bullshit excuses.

[Joe James]

That's all that it is at the end of the day. And I hate to do that to my boys because they. I mean, it's the squad, but it is what it is. When you go out there and you get your butt whooped straight up. I was watching the game. We were trying to bring energy. We can't do that if they're actually out there whooping your butt. My man Carl Anthony Towns out there just manhandling you guys. Young boys like, like, they're just out there giving more energy, more heart. My man, Jalen Brunson. I'm in the joint watching and all. Like me and. Me and my Cavs teammates, me and my Cavs fans, we're sitting on there port side with the dudes behind us and they're celebrating and there's nothing we can say because they're literally whooping our ass. I was sitting there watching and then it was just. It was. It got. It got to the point of embarrassing, literally. We're down 30. We're down 40. My man, MGK, I seen him in this. Like, he. I thought my man was about to shed a tear. Dead ass. It was not a good game. It was bad for as a fan, watching was like, no. Then when we see the interviews though, after Depot, it's like, what you guys like, Guys, we love you, but what are you talking about? They went out there. Don't talk about your legs. You got to be able to take it like a man. Like when I. We play professional sports, Debo. And now for me, when I'm sitting there, I'm a fan and I'm watching and I'm loving it because I'm. I want the cavity wing. But when you get your butt whooped by a team that went out there and just literally beat you in all aspects, out, coached, outplayed the players was doing better. There's nothing.

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[Joe James]

Hello.

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[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Stefano Pallard]

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[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Debo Harrison]

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[Joe James]

For A fan. When I'm watching, like, Joe, what's going on? I'm like, nothing. The team out there is getting their butt whooped. Do you see New York? They are out there. All the shots, everything's going in. Everything's going in their defense. They're just stealing the ball from us, and we're not getting back on defense. No effort. It just was bad. So I can't come on this show right now and say anything positive about the Cavs. Yesterday. They took us all the way. They. They beat us down. Like, for me to sit here and say, like, no, it woulda, coulda, shoulda. No, nothing good happened. I missed my flight because I had a couple of drinks after.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe James]

Because I was sad. I had a damn flight. I couldn't know.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah, they said. They said, Joe driving to Cancun to meet up with the rest of the doo doo teammates. Hey, Joe. That's it. Hey, listen, I'm gonna let it go, you know, Gay. That's the chat, Joe. Hey, listen, man, you. Amanda took enough of beating y'.

[Podcast Announcer]

All.

[Debo Harrison]

We're gonna carry him on in the house. We're gonna go ahead and. We go, we go, we go, we go. Stay in Cleveland, man. We're gonna stay in Cleveland because right here, man, we got a former NFL player, Chris Chanty. He says there's no way to explain the way things have unfolded in Cleveland this offseason other than Miles Garrett, trade is coming. He's saying, yo, it's weird, because they have not given an explanation, a reasonable explanation, as why this man would defer 30 million. Joe, what do. What do you think? What do you think, Joe? Is it. You know, what do you think? Do we have a point? I mean, or is he just. You know, he's just talking?

[Joe James]

What do you think? No, Devo, first you. You tell me. Hey, hey, wait.

[Debo Harrison]

No, you know, I'm saying when you don't. But you want me to say it first thing. Like, that's when I. Yeah, I know what you're gonna say. So look here, Joe. Look here, please. You know me. I sit back, I look, and I start thinking like, you know what? I thought it was coming earlier, but maybe not. Maybe not. But then they moved the stuff around and all that. Then nothing really happened. But you know what done happened since then? Your boy ain't showed up. He ain't even showed up. He ain't even met the man face to face, the new head coach. He ain't even have no understanding of what's going on with the defense. Nothing New defensive coordinator, everything going on, you know what that tells me is he don't need to know. Why don't he need to know? Because chances are he's not going to be there when it come time for the regular season or after June 1st. You tell me what you think, Joe, because from what you're saying, you believe that everybody believes, and you believe he's that good. Just come in there, get the terminology, all that other stuff, and keep it running from training camp on with. With just. No. Without missing a beat. No muscle. No, no, no, no, no, no. No muscle memory to new terminology, all that other stuff. Because I remember now you got a new D coordinator coming in. So what he says in this terminology may mean something else in the other terminology, which you may get confused,

[Joe James]

but

[Debo Harrison]

until you're actually in there running it in and out. Okay, okay, Go ahead. You tell me what's going on. Okay, you tell me what you think.

[Joe James]

He's Miles, Gary.

[Debo Harrison]

So he's always gonna be Miles.

[Joe James]

I know he's my. So this is what I'm saying. With him having to be on the field and him being there, when he's there, he's going to be him regardless. He doesn't need to learn the scheme and all that terminology stuff that we're talking about that's here nor there. What I'm trying to figure out is him not showing up, him not knowing the coach right now. It's more. I don't know if they're. It's not. It's not a good look, Debo.

[Debo Harrison]

Hey, hey, listen. It's not out of question now, Joe. It got you questioning now, Joe. That man doesn't miss right now. One mandatory mending camp already. It's another one coming up if he misses that one, Joe, what you gonna say then?

[Joe James]

All right, this one, I'm telling you, it's starting to look a little messy. Okay, you got me there. You got me there. Him not being there for them camps. I understand. It's Miles. Him not talking to the coach, though, at all is what's kind of throwing me off. It's starting to feel. But I don't know what to say, Debo. I don't. I literally, right now.

[Debo Harrison]

Hey, Joe, it's okay. Use your. Use your words. Use your words and say. Oh, you're.

[Joe James]

I'm at a loss for words.

[Debo Harrison]

You don't want to say anything that may be controversial because of the controversial things that are happening that would lead you to maybe say something that's not in favor of what the Browns Would like. Yes, Joe, as much as I would, you know, hate to have to tell you this. Listen, everything happens for a reason, Joe. Nothing is by chance. You don't just move 30,000 just for the hell of it. 30 million for the hell of it, Joe. Everything happens for a reason. Good, bad, and different. Hell, that's life. I had to go through hell just because of whatever it was that led me to the position that I may be in, you know, later on. You know,

[Joe James]

the more and more that. The more and more time that passes right now, Debo, the more and more that. I'm really thinking that the Browns are trying to. That they. They're going to try to move. I think they want to move on from Miles, bro. I think they do. I think that Miles, at the same time, wants to go. Wants to go do something else, too. He's been telling the Browns this for a while. Last year, he told them, I want to be traded. They gave him the duffel bag. So then obviously, you're going to have to be on the team because you're a professional. They gave you the bread. You signed the contract. You told them that you didn't want to be there, but they gave you an enormous amount of money. So now you're on the team because you have to be. You know what I'm saying? And now the off season came, you were doing everything, and now you're not showing up. You dropped the whole million, you know what I'm saying? For not showing the mandatory camps. You're. You're putting you. You. You're putting your. You letting them know, regardless, you're not showing up. But when you. When the season comes, you're going to come there because you're on the team.

[Debo Harrison]

You're.

[Joe James]

You're contractly obligated to be there. So you're going to be a professional. So when it comes to the games, you're going to show up and you're going to ball because your mom's scared. You don't want to play for the Browns, obviously. You said it. And now you're showing money where your mouth is. You're dropping a whole nother meal, but not showing up to mandatory camps. You could be there, Miles. You were.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You.

[Joe James]

This is one of these, Debo. Like Joe, you don't want to say nothing. Going to.

[Debo Harrison]

Think we lost. Joe for a minute. You might have got out, Joe. I think you cut out for a minute there.

[Joe James]

Can you look good for the. Yes. Outside hills, man. I'm in the hills. I'm in the berg head of D.C. and.

[Debo Harrison]

And.

[Joe James]

And the Browns. Man, I'm stressed out. Depot. Honestly.

[Debo Harrison]

Oh, yeah. Hey, man, listen, man, the whole Cleveland situation got you stressed out, Man, I was trying to be, you know, a. A voice of comfort, you know, today. And. And, you know, I see I'm gonna have to. I'm have to maybe get you to understand that, you know, it may be something different, but you know me, I just don't see it no other way. You go defer 30 for no reason if it don't help you get to what it is that you want to do, which is you want to win championships. Yo, he wants to win championships. He want to be known as the greatest. And then he won't even have the greatest trophy that you get from playing the game. The ultimate goal of the game. Like. Like, he gotta have.

[Joe James]

He.

[Debo Harrison]

He gotta have that. He like. He's like, you know what? I thought the money was gonna work.

[Joe James]

It didn't.

[Debo Harrison]

I went and I got. I got the defensive player of the year. I. I broke records, and I ain't even happy. I need a championship, and I think that's where he at now, Joe.

[Joe James]

Yeah, I think you're right, man. I think Miles over.

[Debo Harrison]

Hey, man, look, it's all right, man. It's all right. It's all. You still. You got some more drinking there or something, man? You need another one or something? You need to stop. Get you.

[Joe James]

You know I need to get some.

[Debo Harrison]

You need me. Like, how far are you out, man? I'll pour. I'll pour you. I'll pour you a drink, man.

[Joe James]

I need some electrolytes. Honestly.

[Debo Harrison]

You need some electric light. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I got you. I got.

[Joe James]

I get.

[Debo Harrison]

I get. I get some water. Some of that good water. Some of that good H2O right here. I keep it on deck. I keep it on deck all the time, baby. All the time.

[Joe James]

Can I get that water? Oh, maybe. Thank you, Jesus. I really did.

[Debo Harrison]

Yes, sir.

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[Joe James]

All?

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