Nightcap Hour 3: Aaron Donald THINKING About RETURN + Q & Ayyyyy

Summary

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Nightcap Hour 3: Aaron Donald Thinking About Return + Q&A

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, ISO Joe Johnson
Date: June 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap, hosted by sports legends Shannon Sharpe, Chad Johnson, and Joe Johnson, dives into hot-button NFL news about Aaron Donald potentially returning to the Rams, NBA playoff reactions (notably the Knicks' win and Brunson's big game), followed by a lively Q&A segment with fans. The conversation blends deep sports analysis and classic banter, full of personal stories, joking wagers, and candid takes on the latest sports headlines.

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Main Discussion: Aaron Donald's Possible Return

Aaron Donald to the Rams?

• [02:58] Unc breaks the news: Aaron Donald texted reporter Jordan Schultz, saying he is "for sure flirting with the idea" of returning to the Rams, especially drawn by another Super Bowl run.
• Unc: "If I can find the fire. It's a possibility."
• The hosts analyze how Donald and Myles Garrett on the same defensive line could stack up in NFL history.

Key Points

• [03:24] ISO Joe Johnson: Cautious optimism. While it wouldn’t be the “greatest defense ever,” lining Donald up next to Garrett is a historic combination of talent.
• [04:11] Ocho: "He has to find the fire. That ain't easy, fellas. He been sitting down, chilling. Yeah, he been working out. ... But you have to want to put your body through that rigorous NFL season."
• [05:01] Unc: Coming back after two years off is hard—reacclimating to football speed, body wear, and even the instincts ("spidey senses") takes time.
• [05:32] Unc: "If he comes back, he's a top five defensive player all time based on his body of work and the level of play. Even if you just take the awards away—just cut the tape on."
• [06:10] Ocho: "A guy like Aaron Donald—y’all know he want to come back and dominate. He ain’t trying to come ... he can't be average."
• General consensus: Donald would only return to be elite, not just to play. But the challenge of rekindling competitive fire and the physical toll is underscored.

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Sports & Life Q&A: From Deep Dives to Hilarious Detours

Chicago Eats & NBA Memorabilia

• [07:06] ISO Joe: "Anybody in the chat in Chicago got a nice soul food spot I can eat at tomorrow?"
• Fun riff on Chicago vs. New York pizza. Ocho’s recommendation? “Giordano’s.”
• [08:21-10:33] A lighthearted tour of Unc’s personal sports memorabilia—autographed game shoes (Kobe Bryant, Curry, LeBron), game-used jerseys—and playful bets about trading them for competition outcomes (e.g., shooting contests, cornhole, bowling, etc.)
• [09:09] Unc on his LeBron memorabilia: "I got a lot of stuff signed. I just let people talk ..."
• [10:40] Ocho: "Since you in the mood of giving ... that's basically what you gonna be doing—you gonna be giving them to me."

Friendly Trash Talk & Personal Tales

• [11:03-14:13] Friendly back-and-forth about NFL memories, Super Bowl runs, and personal accomplishments. Unc defends his Ravens tenure, Ocho insists on his Bronco legacy, and all poke fun over keeping/losing memorabilia.
• [15:45] Ocho proposes various contests to win Unc’s coveted Kobe shoes.

Life & Love Musings

• [29:11] A caller prompts the group to critique what each could have done better in their careers. Ocho: "Y'all could have ate better."
  • ISO Joe: “If I would have ate better, I’d probably been hurt like everybody else. I played the game for fun ... and ignored the business side of things and enjoyed it.”
• [31:05-37:17] Spirited road trip stories and "back in the day" tales, with Unc reflecting on long drives for love and classic college experiences.

Personal Health Shoutouts & Uplifting Moments

• [40:24] Emotional birthday shout-out to listener Aaron, who is 30, born at 30 weeks, living with cerebral palsy.

  • Unc: “My heart goes out to you, bro ... Congratulations and happy 30th birthday.”

• [71:38] Congratulatory shout-outs for a listener celebrating sobriety and another's 47th birthday:

  • Unc: “Your wife and your five kids need you around ... you can only be around healthy, sober, in your right mind. We’re proud of you here at Nightcap, man—keep it going.”

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NBA Finals Talk: Knicks, Spurs & Playoff Analysis

Knicks vs. Spurs, Brunson’s Breakout, Cat’s Impact

• [52:14] Unc: "Cat is the X factor. The Spurs haven’t played a big like Cat in their finals run. ... If Cat can play like that and the Knicks can win. Shout out to JB (Jalen Brunson)."
• [53:38] Ocho and Unc give defensive credit: "12 of 31" shooting for Brunson is not efficient, but he made key plays in crunch time.
• [56:11] Unc on Knicks’ defensive versatility: “That’s why you got a Josh Hart, that’s why you got a Mikal Bridges, that’s why you got OG. Look at who they were guarding ...”
• [61:13] Ocho: “I was thinking ... the last three, four minutes, I’m like, damn. He (Spurs’ point guard) might need to go with Dylan Harper down at the point.”
• General agreement that the Knicks showed their playoff mettle and are now up in the series.

Notable Quotes:

• [57:18] Ocho: “Number two pick, rookie that’s 20 years old with the poise and patience he has ... it’s gonna be hard to keep him on that bench.”
• [63:51] Shout-out to ISO for promotion to the “Big Three” status:
  • Listener: "Never seen such strong chemistry in any show. Thanks for making my mornings extra special."
  • [72:31] Unc: “Joe is filled in, actually. He’s blended quite well, and we’re very, very excited to have him ... full time now.”

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Memorable Moments & Running Jokes

• Friendly wagers—basketball, bowling, cornhole—for signed memorabilia.
• [20:06] Ocho’s "apple cider vinegar and Epsom salt” foot remedy.
• [44:13] Debates about being “alive but not living,” and the lighter/raunchier banter on relationships and routines.
• [64:10] Quick-fire favorites: Blaxploitation movies ("I'm Gonna Get You Sucka," "Car Wash," "DC Cab," etc.).
• [66:21] Analysis of Wimby’s (Victor Wembanyama's) struggles—learning to establish position, comparisons to Kareem.

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Listener Interactions & Closing Thoughts

• Multiple video voicemails and superchat responses: including travel questions, career reflections, and personal shout-outs.

• [42:01-43:04] Unc discusses meeting and interviewing Neil deGrasse Tyson.

  • “He’s brilliant, bro ... he can tell you, like, the spin rate of a football and baseball ... what weather was like on that exact day in history. That’s him.”

• Listeners recognized for confetti clean-up (Ocho's kids), and Ocho celebrated for his basketball knowledge.

• [73:02] Unc recaps the Knicks-Spurs game and playoff implications: “The New York Knicks are three wins away from winning their first title in over 50 years thanks to Jalen Brunson ... they score the last 11 points and they win 105 to 95.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Aaron Donald Return Talk: [02:58] – [06:23]
• NBA Finals Deep Dive (Knicks-Spurs/Brunson/Cat/Wimby): [52:14] – [68:48]
• Listener Video Voicemails & Fan Q&A: [23:57], [29:11], [40:24], [71:38]
• Personal Stories, Trash Talk, and Friendly Bets: [07:06], [08:21], [10:40], [15:45], [31:05]
• Shout-outs/Special Moments: [40:24], [71:38], [72:31]
• Pop Culture & Movie Favorites: [64:10] – [65:34]
• Closing NBA Recap & Final Thoughts: [73:02] – [74:49]

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Conclusion

This Nightcap episode is vintage Unc, Ocho, and ISO—merging breaking NFL/NBA news, honest and sharp player takes, hilarious personal ribbing, and direct fan engagement. The chemistry, rich storytelling, and willingness to answer any question make it essential listening for sports fans seeking a mix of insight and entertainment.

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Notable Quote of the Night:

“If [Aaron Donald] comes back, he's a top five defensive player all time based on his body of work and the level of play. Even if you just take the awards away—just cut the tape on.”
—Unc (Shannon Sharpe), [05:32]

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Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”), ISO Joe Johnson
Get episodes: Subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.
Contact: Fan Q&A and voice messages via Discord and YouTube superchats.

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Transcript

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[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

What you got, man?

[Unc (Host)]

Aaron Donald text reporter Jordan Schultz Tuesday night and said he's considered returning to the Rams. The text read, I'm for sure float flirting with the idea. Hell of an opportunity with the super bowl and so far this year. If I can find the fire. It's a possibility. Ocho, if AD Miles Garrett on the same D line with Fisk and with that great rotation they got where you think it is, could this be the greatest defense ever?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, I don't. I don't know about the greatest defense ever, but it'd be two of the greatest players ever. Ever lace them up on defense. I don't know about the greatest defense, but what did I say? When? When? When? Miles Garrett. When we talked about this night before last, I said there's a good chance because Miles Garrett is going there. Even though Aaron Donald has not played a down in two years. But. But he's consistently stayed in shape. He consistently worked out, but there's nothing like actually playing football. There's nothing like actually playing football. But knowing Aaron Donald and what he's already accomplished, if there's one reason to have to come back that makes it easy and want to get another super bowl champion championship is right now. Hey, it's right now in that window for the. That window for the Rams. This is the time to do it. If he's going.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, listen, I. I understand it's very intriguing for him to come back, but did you hear the key word? He has to find the fire. Hey, hey, that. That ain't easy, fellas. He been sitting down, chilling. Yeah, he been working out. He in great shape. Do I think he could come back and still be effective? Hell, yeah. But you have to want to put your body through that rigorous NFL season. And he knows what it's like, bro. He knows what it's gonna be like in week eight, you know what I mean? When you banged up in swords. I don't know what. Yeah, he know what that's like, bro.

[Unc (Host)]

It's just hard when you step away from the game like that. Joe Ocho and you. Oh, oh, we know how it is when we just gone. When we just miss. When you put them pads on, take them off. Once the season's over and you don't really put the full pads back onto your training camp, it takes you a while.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

To get everything. Get readjusted the way that thing feel. And get your body used to carrying those pads again. You get your spidey senses tingling. He's been away for two years. He used to automatically know, oh, man, this guard's sitting light or somebody hit him somewhere. He knows the trap's coming. He's gonna have to relearn all that. His spidey senses will have to start tingling again.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

Could he do it? Yes. But like you said, Joe, to find that fireman, he walked away and said, man, I just didn't have the desire.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

And it wasn't like they were a bad team. No, no, no, hold on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He walked away with nothing else to.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

That's what I'm saying.

[Unc (Host)]

What do you want to prove now? Let me ask you a question. If he comes out of retirement and he plays well, will you think any different of Aaron Donald? Absolutely not. Eight. Eight times, first team all pro. Three defensive players a year. Defensive rookie of the year. I ain't got nothing. Yeah. I'm gonna make a case if he never comes back. If he comes back. He's a top five defensive player all time based on his body of work and the level of play. Even if you just take the awards away, which you can cut the tape on, right? Yeah, just cut the tape off.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's all you need to see.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

And a guy like Aaron Donald, y' all know he want to come back and dominate. He ain't trying to come.

[Unc (Host)]

Yes. Yes. He can't be average.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

No, sir. You don't know what that's like. Yeah. Ain't no way in hell.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And the funny thing about it, too. Think about them having a double team mouth. Think about them having a double team mouth and try to double him.

[Unc (Host)]

That.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That opens up everything defensively. They can do that much more because of those two on that line.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, hey, he'll make that defensive line. Hell, no. He come back.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, we.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I don't want him to, though. Stay your ass at home.

[Unc (Host)]

It's time for a final second of the evening. It's time for Q.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'm leaving already. Hey, anybody in the chat in Chicago got a nice soul food spot I can eat at tomorrow. Little soul food spot.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Man, you better get you some good

[Unc (Host)]

pizza in Chicago for pizza.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I thought New York was known for pizza.

[Unc (Host)]

Chicago and New York, both of them are known for pizza. Chicago known for the deep.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, okay. Where I go, you go.

[Unc (Host)]

I don't live in Chicago.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But you just said it over pizza.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

So I'm thinking you probably know what I would say. Giordano's. But I know it's been around for quite some time. Ask Chad. I'm sure they'll give you.

[Unc (Host)]

Man, I left Chicago in 1970. Georgia. I'm a Georgia.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, you from Chicago? Are you from Chicago?

[Unc (Host)]

I was born in Chicago.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, it's so funny. Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you weren't over here though, right? This is some, some you didn't know. You know, when I. I used to be in Chicago. I used to be in Chicago with Obama.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Doing what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, me and Obama, we gd. God, dog, you ain't know that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Nah, I know that. Ojo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, this throwback to this back. All right.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

What's the GD sign? How you throw gd?

[Unc (Host)]

Hey, Joe, now if you wanna, if you wanna look at this right here. Yeah. Eddie autographed them. Now if you really want to put something up to try to get these.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, oh, oh, listen.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, look at this. Hey, Joe, he on your head.

[Unc (Host)]

Joe, can you see that signature?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, I see that signature, man.

[Unc (Host)]

Hey, Took it right off his feet. Go look at the game that he played. That he played the Nuggets. He played in them. I went right back there to the locker room and got him. He found it to me.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, boy.

[Unc (Host)]

Hey, hey.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Un Got some stuff over that on the man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He got signed. Curry signed, LeBron sign. You got anything signed for LeBron?

[Unc (Host)]

I do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And you got.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, I got a lot of stuff signed. Hey, I just let people, I just let people talk. You know, somebody was on the COVID he would cry. Lebron won't come on. If you only knew some of the things that I. I ain't gonna say that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Right, right, right, right.

[Unc (Host)]

You know, they're gonna be bad. They'll be bad.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

They'd be bad.

[Unc (Host)]

I'm gonna let it go. But don't worry about it. When I got going from Kobe, I got those from old Kobe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I think.

[Unc (Host)]

You know what, I might put those on when I. I shoot you in the three point competition.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, don't, don't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And he coming at you.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Don't diminish the value on them shoes, okay? Don't, don't, don't do that. Don't do that. Please don't do it.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, you, oh, you want me to wage them against you? You want to put something up against them?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah. Since you in the mood of giving. Because that's basically, that's basically what the hell you gonna be doing. You're gonna be. You gonna be giving them to me. Hey, hey, hey. I got I got some stuff over here.

[Unc (Host)]

If we play the Cowboys, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

When. When we play y'. All.

[Unc (Host)]

I don't know if we play y', all, but if we do, that's an ass cutting for y'.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

All. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I got. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When we play y', all, we bet that you gotta wear a cowboy jersey when.

[Unc (Host)]

When you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

Y', all. We play the Raven. Y' all play the Ravens.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, I'm gonna make sure I got one with your name. What you. What you need? By the XL2X.

[Unc (Host)]

What you need? Nah, I need more than XL.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You need two XL.

[Unc (Host)]

Yep, I got you, Ocho. Just in case you didn't know. What did I say?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

And it's Sharp.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Let's say Shannon Sharp. 80. Was that 84? 2,000.

[Unc (Host)]

Yes. Established in 2000. I played for the Ravens. So. See, when y' all keep talking about. Oh, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, we didn't. We didn't doubt you. You didn't play for the Ravens. The fact that you was only there for two weeks is the part that we keep talking about. No. All right.

[Unc (Host)]

What you want me to do, Chad? I go to a team and I win a suit Bowl. He want me to. He want me to renounce my rights because I wasn't there for 15 years.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I didn't say renounce your rights.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You're a Denver Bronco. Nobody. When we talk about Shannon Sharp, we remember Shannon Sharp as a Denver Bronco. That's it.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, I got. Yeah, Super Bowl, Ravens. You know what? See how you. How you do. Oo. I don't be bothered nobody. I mean, Chad, I was there. I went there. I. I did what I was supposed. Supposed to do as a veteran guy. Come in there, practice hard, show the guys what we. How we gonna do this thing and win a Super Bowl?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on.

[Unc (Host)]

I.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I practiced hard, too, but, hell, I didn't have a number one defense in the NFL. Hey, it's all good. It's all good. Listen, I won plenty. I want. I won plenty of rings and championships on Madden.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm just. I'm just saying, Joe, I had to settle for that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, that game won. That thing got a little dirt on it. Got a little grass things on New

[Unc (Host)]

Jersey from the Super Bowl.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

There should be a patch over here, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I see it. Yeah, yeah, I see it.

[Unc (Host)]

I see it because sometimes Ocho don't think I played for the ring.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, let me. Hey, let me get that.

[Unc (Host)]

No, hold on. Why you Want to get this? Do you have your own. You don't even wear your own jersey. You don't have your own stuff hanging up?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I. I don't know, man. I just. You know, I'm not in the memorabilia.

[Unc (Host)]

Why you want my jersey?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I just want. I'm gonna put it, you know, under my nightcap sign.

[Unc (Host)]

No, no, you ain't got no damn nightcap. Your nightcap sign anymore.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's right there. It worked. You see, I got me YouTube. Plex.

[Unc (Host)]

Where, man? That's right. Yeah, man. Somebody put that up with a ruler. Hey, hey, Joe, they use. No. They use. No, they ain't use no. No. No levels or nothing, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Unc (Host)]

He just put that up with eyesight

[ISO Joe Johnson]

now it's even though.

[Unc (Host)]

Who told you that? Well, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y' all, wait.

[Unc (Host)]

Wait.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait till I get my room done, y'.

[Unc (Host)]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, y' all gonna be happy. And I. I ain't gonna tell you when it's done. I'm just gonna.

[Unc (Host)]

Come on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Everything will be lit up all nice.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You gonna have that thing where it's gonna follow you around so we can see different angles and all that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Cause, you know, I like to get up and demonstrate stuff. So when I get up and demonstrate, my camera gonna follow me.

[Unc (Host)]

Okay.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

All right.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, but I'm saying, the Ocho. I mean, you ain't even got your own jerseys hanging up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

O. You know, I don't be into that stuff, man. I don't be into that stuff.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, I probably should have had him. I probably should have had to watch the jersey before

[Tab Ramos]

now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It looked better like that already. It looked better dirty, though, I guess.

[Unc (Host)]

I guess they don't have to authenticate it, because they can. Look at that. So. Yeah, that was actually jersey worn in the game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that was game one.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, they're probably gonna be. They're gonna be worth a little something now.

[Unc (Host)]

Well, the kids. Look at it. Oh, yo, look at what I got.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Who that? Who? Hey, that. That's. That's Pickens.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Who?

[Unc (Host)]

Carl Pickens.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, that's probably the nicest hell my job ever had, Ojo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, our helmet's still the same. Same stripe, same everything.

[Unc (Host)]

I got the game ball against y', all, too, O. Joe, what the score was?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I don't know, but I had got my 533 26.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn, man.

[Unc (Host)]

I mean, I had some good day. I had some good moments against y'. All. Oh, and this was at y' all place, too, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, listen, I. I wish I had all my stuff from when I. When I used to douse the Ravens up. Hey, Joe, I used to be getting the boys.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, Gave me that work, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Getting them boys at work.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Boy, I got.

[Unc (Host)]

I got a couple game balls against Cincinnati. You got any game balls against Denver? Yeah. You Jody play against them?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I do. Hey, hey, Chat. Tell him. Tell him what I did against Denver Monday.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that. When you pull up there in that dunk, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That was the jets, and. And that was the Post. I'm talking about what I did to Denver.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

What you did to him, Ojo, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, I ain't wanting to brag, but I'm sure the chat know what I did Monday night to Denver.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You cut, Rub.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, listen, I. I cut the rug

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

and took it home,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe. I cut the rug and took it home.

[Unc (Host)]

But, Joe, when you. When you decide what you want to wager to try to get these Kobe's up off me, I mean, I either want. You want the Kobe's or you want the steps.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I mean, you showed me them Kobe's. I ain't gonna lie. I kind of want them Kobe's. Now them Kobe's in that Louis Vuitton ball. Whatever.

[Unc (Host)]

We.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

We could cornhole it. We can shoot jumpers.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, you know, you're not winning that, Joe. I. I want to give you something that you could possibly win. Oh, oh, like basketball? You're not gonna. You can't beat me in no cornhole, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I'm telling you.

[Unc (Host)]

If.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Listen, if it was just me and you, it would have been a little different story. I had Ojo in my damn way. You know what I mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Listen, you got. You got bigger fish to fry with me, so you might want to start with Unc first.

[Unc (Host)]

Hey, I keep telling y', all, we go bowling, whatever you want to do with Joe Ocho. Well, we. Hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

We see how that turned out, so we ain't got to talk about that.

[Unc (Host)]

No, I gotta get. I gotta get to go knee healthy first.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, no, I only want to get you back out there. I'm not really. I did a mean demonstration on you.

[Unc (Host)]

Nah, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

I got my own,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

but. What's that? What size? That's eight pound ball. That ball looks small.

[Unc (Host)]

Hey, Ocho, you know what I'm saying this. I. That's how I normally do it right now. Oh, so you don't thumb. You know what I'm saying?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Show hey, so. Hey, Joe, that's exactly how.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

No, I don't feel you. What you mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Don't worry.

[Unc (Host)]

I gotta play for my own. My shoes. I see.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I see.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, your knees ain't good.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

I mean, hey, the. The jail shots did be a little good. I might need to get me a couple of motor.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, you look like one of them cats when they come to the gym. They got the Jordan sleeve on.

[Unc (Host)]

They got.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, they got the jersey tucked in.

[Unc (Host)]

Man, I used to go to the bowling tournament all the time. You know, you go to a bowling tournament and, you know, hey, you get your ball, you get a bag. So, like, every time I go, I get a ball, I give me a bag. I don't know how. I don't know what happened to that. Now, when I pull out that big play, shave all.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

All I do is hold it like this in the pants fall. Yeah, I already know what's gonna happen, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Come on. Come on.

[Unc (Host)]

I just hold the ball up.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man.

[Unc (Host)]

Come on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I. I don't believe it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I seen it. I don't believe it. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I saw it, too. I still.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I'm the best bowler you ever played against Ocho. You ain't all. You know it, Joe.

[Unc (Host)]

You drink wine.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The best who.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, I drink wine. The best bowler you ever played again?

[Unc (Host)]

You know what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Best bowler I played, best bowler I played against. I beat him.

[Unc (Host)]

I'm putting. I'm putting this bottle of wine up to it for you, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

What's that? That's red. That's a cap.

[Unc (Host)]

That's red. Back to back, championship wine.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Why it's so little?

[Unc (Host)]

I got the big bottle. I don't know. I think I might have gave the big bottle to my brother.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That ain't nothing but a swallow.

[Unc (Host)]

But that's all right. Joe ain't gonna get it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Well, I'll get all that memorabilia you got over there.

[Unc (Host)]

Hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

What's up?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I got all that. He ain't got nothing better than.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, let me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Let me see what kind of memory I got.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You ain't got nothing over there.

[Unc (Host)]

Nothing I do. See, we got this. We play like a Raven. Yeah, that's what we do. We play like a Raven.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Unc (Host)]

Hey, Ocho. This is Ocho Go like right here. Ocho what?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Ojo Go like.

[Unc (Host)]

What about these? Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

There we go. Okay. What you know about that? Hey, you ain't even got. You ain't got. Hey, Joe, I got something. I got I got these, man.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

What the hell is that?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, hold on. These just ain't any flip flops. These Neymar. Neymar. Wardies.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Neymar. Warm.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he wore these and he gave them to me, man.

[Unc (Host)]

You put your feet.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Now I'm cool on them flip flops.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, I saw a dude in the back. I saw a dude at the airport with flip flops in the bathroom

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

and throwing flip flops. I ain't. I ain't about to have my feet out like that. No way. I'm just gonna keep 100.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, your feet bad, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I'm just saying.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hold on, hold on.

[Unc (Host)]

I already know, Joe. I don't see today. You got them hammer toes, toenails probably black. Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Now my toenails ain't black no more. I got. I got all that out of there. It's over with. Is that gone?

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, you. You took. You got them pills or you took the shots?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Nah, hell no. I soaked my feet in apple cider vinegar, Epsom salt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do that to get that. To get the fungus out of there. I'm good now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe, hold on.

[Unc (Host)]

So you don't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't want. You don't want. Name? Marcel.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, what I'm doing with that?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on, hold on.

[Unc (Host)]

What about this right here, Ocho?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, I got something better than that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You got the little flip.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah. You know, hey, Joe, I got that with the glimmer. I got the. That one and the small one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you know who phone this is? This is Pablo Escobar phone that he used when he was in Miami.

[Unc (Host)]

Hello?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

How you get that?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you mean, how I get that, Joe?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, who you calling?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you want to play for this? This Pablo Escobar?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I don't want that damn phone talking about Pablo Escobar.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Nah, I'm good.

[Unc (Host)]

You ain't got nothing, Joe. I keep all my phones, Joe. Do you? Hell, yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You got. I'm saying, you. You still got the Rolodex in there.

[Unc (Host)]

You still go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You.

[Unc (Host)]

If you.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

Okay. This right here called me a lot of problems. I'm done. I'm done. Hey, so if anybody watching this. And you know what? I was. And you know what? I had this.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

Don't be expecting no calls.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, because it ain't happening.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, my. My kid. Hey. My kids must have took my basketball,

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

that LeBron James one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, baby. Man. With my LeBron James basketball at.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. I got a life size bobble here. I'm gonna have to bring it down here so y' all can see it. Hey.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, you want to shoot for it, Joe?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I see you got a little bundle over there. You got a little package over there. Yeah, yeah, I do.

[Unc (Host)]

I mean, I mean, clearly, you say you want the Kobe. You saw the Kobe, so you want the Kobe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they. Hey, hey, it's gonna look better over here anyway. Hey, Ocho, I'll tell you what I'm gonna do for you. We'll get you a real sign. Ball by. By LeBron. By LeBron James. Okay, well, hold on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I, I got, I got his 40,000point ball when he scored 49.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Cut it out, O Joe.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, them kids and lost my ball. My ball. Not even in my closet, man. They probably took my ball.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, it's time to cut it out. We gotta get you right, Ocho.

[Unc (Host)]

You right, though. But I, they, they, they hard now. Look how many I had.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Cigars. Some cigars, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You, you, you got to have them in the humidor, man. Ain't no good now.

[Unc (Host)]

I keep them. I give them to my homeboy, my homeboy. Smoke him and get high. They probably like weed now. Or should the thing so punchy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you know you don't want

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

that Pablo cool on their phone, bro.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, I got like. I got like 15, 16 in my phones.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Unc (Host)]

I don't give them back.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you. I bet you ain't got no sidekick.

[Unc (Host)]

I ain't had a sidekick, Ocho. I ain't had a sidekick.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I had a sidekick. You had one, Ojo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I had that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Flip that thing up real quick.

[Unc (Host)]

This Joe right here got me a lot of trouble.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yep, Yep.

[Unc (Host)]

Ah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Who. Who went through your phone?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

What do you mean?

[Unc (Host)]

You could lock it. All you had to do is just get somebody to get it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Unc (Host)]

What you call them? Is it star 69?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

Every time I got the phone, I called my sister. Star six, Dinette. I called my sister, my brother. Before we get to the super chat, we got two video voicemail from our discord. Let's take a listen. Here's the first one.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Good win for us guys. You know, love the show, guys, but I just want to say the job ain't finished.

[Unc (Host)]

We got three more to go.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

And we, we was a little rusty,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

but we, we, we did what we did. We do.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

We've been winning. Is that 12 wins in a row? Not even sure.

[Unc (Host)]

But I. I think we can sweep them.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I was still Nixon 6, but I think we going to sweep them.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

This is a great game. Ratings had to be through the roof

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

and we had everything we wanted. The commission was there, fan running on the court.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hope we don't get too long for

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

prison time, but it was a great game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, enjoy the show. I gotta deliver these Santa tomorrow anyway. I gotta go to Austin and Santa so I'm gonna wear this under my uniform.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, good night, guys. God bless.

[Unc (Host)]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn sweet.

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[Unc (Host)]

I hate to say it, but I

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

don't trust much of anything.

[Unc (Host)]

It's the rage bait.

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[Unc (Host)]

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[Unc (Host)]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community, and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology.

[Unc (Host)]

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[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, them jokes talking sweep, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

See, see, see how he get carried away? Damn.

[Unc (Host)]

Oo say they might sweep them, too.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Well, listen, I'll be.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, I ain't say that. I said. I said Nixon 6.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I'll be. I'll be that confident, too. Hell, if I just swept through two series, you know, win the last three

[Unc (Host)]

games of another one, man. All right, let's take a listen to our next one. What's good, Unc? Ocho and still hello, you feel me? My name is. I'm from Louisiana, but I'm in the military. I'm in the Navy. Specifically, I'm traveling all the way from north of Virginia to San Diego, California, by car.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah. Anyways, they say the best critics are the ones closest to you. So if you could all critique each other, say one thing that they could have done better in their career, you know, on the field, on the court for you, Joe and Ocho, what other games you play other than Madden? Cause I'll bust your ass by 45. I already seen what sketch did to you.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn. What we critiquing ourselves.

[Unc (Host)]

No, us

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

on what y' all could have done better.

[Unc (Host)]

Yep.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I mean, damn, this man got three damn Super Bowls over here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, that's. That's a good one. What could I do? Cincinnati.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I would. Y' all could have ate better.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Not really. If I would ate better, I'd probably been hurt like everybody else. They eat healthy. Nope. Yep. I don't know. I don't know what I could have done better, man, because you know, I didn't. I played the game for fun, man. I played the game for fun. I played a child's game that I, I got paid pretty well for, you know, and ignored the business side of things and enjoyed it.

[Unc (Host)]

That man said he driving from Norfolk, Virginia to California, which is 27, 10 miles, and he drove straight. It would take him 40 hours. Theoretically, you're supposed to drive about what, 10 to 12 hours a day? Yeah, that's about a three day trip. They say to make it enjoyable, you probably should take about six to ten days.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

That's.

[Unc (Host)]

That's.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Ain't no way in hell. I can't sit in the car that damn long, man.

[Unc (Host)]

Ain't no man. Look, I gotta take a trip tomorrow.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He might, he might be moved. He might be moving, huh?

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, I'll be moving. Somebody else will be gonna be moving. I'm gonna be on a plane

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

and then.

[Unc (Host)]

No, but he was in the car. He said he's in the car, but can you imagine being in a. A U haul and having to drive that far? Oh, hell no.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Unc, it depend on who you driving with.

[Unc (Host)]

I don't give who I'm driving with.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You never know. Some people you drive with make the

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

drive shorter than what it like road trip. Hey, you gotta like road tripping and all that though.

[Unc (Host)]

I mean, I like, I like, I like road up, but it ain't tripping. Trust me, it ain't no trip. Me, I. I just, I can't. I just. I mean, I just hate. I just hate being in the car that length of time, right?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, I'm right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What do you mean that length of time, huh? Oh, you flew way to. You flew way to Rome for some

[Unc (Host)]

yayo and in my hips and knees, if mama was in Rome, I'd go back again.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, after three hours, I'm hurting, fellas. I ain't gonna lie.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, I'm hurting after. I'm hurting after hour, man, I'll be getting over there walking. I was like, man, can this plane please get to 10, 000ft so I Can stand up. Man, my knee is killing me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, that's my limit.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

What's that, three?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, three. Because. Because, I mean, I. I hate to bring up the past, but, you know, Uncle Joe, Joe, you know, Tampa was. Was my. My limit spot.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You feel me? And I would go. I would go back and forth to Tampa and, you know, three hours. That's my sweet spot. Anything over three,

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

some action out there in Tampa. I know it was way back when. I know you. I ain't no trouble.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, it wasn't that far back.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Stop lying. Yeah, it was way back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe. But, but you know, you first. You know, you, you come here, you know, I come now.

[Unc (Host)]

I used to road trip to Tallahassee.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How far that is from Savannah?

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, yeah, about five hours. Oh, God damn. Huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You drove five hours for somebody?

[Unc (Host)]

Hey, what happened with hell, when I went, I put a car. Oh, hey, she told me, hey, will you go come see me right now?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hold on. I know it's a five hour trip, but how long it take you to get there?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I mean, my homeboy went, yeah, you had to take. You had. You had to take somebody tag along now.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, for sure.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe. Right about now, Joe, what's that? But the way things going. But I drive from Miami to Boston right now.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Miami to Boston. Yeah, I know you were.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, it was four. Four and a half is 300 miles. Four and a half. It took me about four hours because I was humping. I was humping.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay. I like it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I bet it.

[Unc (Host)]

What you call them? I met at a black college. Beach week. Black Holly Beat. We got there. Black Holly Beach.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

What's up? She said. I said, well, you know, where you go to school at? She's like, I go to. I go to Floyd. She's there for. She ball went to Florida State. Oh, which.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, what? She was what? She was light, bright, damn near white.

[Unc (Host)]

You already know. You already know. You already know, man. I say, well, dang.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

I said, you got somebody? Nah, not really. How is not really that to me, you got somebody. Really?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

But you know, yo, thanks about that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, boy.

[Unc (Host)]

Let's ride. Boy, that black color be we. That thing was something for me. Oh, wait, they still got it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They still have it.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, yeah. It's still.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

They still have it.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y' all wanna. Y' all wanna. Y' all wanna.

[Unc (Host)]

Y' all wanna go ahead, bro, I got grandkids. I ain't going to hang out with no damn college Kids. I got grandkids. Well, you shouldn't take. You shouldn't go now, but I bet. Boy, I met one, though. Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, like that.

[Unc (Host)]

Boy, look here. I met her at April back down there in June. He's a table. She's from Tampa.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You took that long?

[Unc (Host)]

Well, she had to because she came to see me first.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Unc (Host)]

You talk about body.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's her name? Hey, hey. I bet she had. She had the pixie cut or the finger waves.

[Unc (Host)]

No, she had. She had long. No, she was thin.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

She was.

[Unc (Host)]

She probably weighed. She's about five. I said she was about five, six, probably about. Probably about one. I think she said she weighed 115.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Well, she had, like, some curly hair.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

115.

[Unc (Host)]

Like. Well, you. Hey, listen, everybody that knows Sharp know when I was that age, what I dealt with primarily.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

You talking about body that was put together.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Unc (Host)]

I'm talking about tight. Tight. I'm talking about tight. Tight.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah. Mean with it. I already know.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You ain't got no picture. You got no pictures.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, I got pictures. No. But the thing was, I was. To this day, I still. I still keep in contact with her.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Shut up. You don't say.

[Unc (Host)]

No, no, no, no, no. That. That been. That. That's over. That's been. That's been 15 years now.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Y' all just got a straight platonic relationship.

[Unc (Host)]

Straight. She all. She always asked. She asked about my sister. She asked about my brother. She know about my ass. How the kids do it. Yeah, yeah. Strictly. No, hey, hey, hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

That's.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's. That's normal. Hey, hey, Joe. That's normally half.

[Unc (Host)]

Look, we. Look, we had our moment. We had our time, which from. From 20. From. I was. I met her at 24 to about 33. Yeah, yeah, but ain't. Hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ain't ain't nothing else there, huh?

[Unc (Host)]

Me and mama locked in. I'm locked in right now. Oh, oh, oh, okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

[Unc (Host)]

I like you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I like you. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Since you locked in, that. That. That means. That means we that much closer to this triple wedding.

[Unc (Host)]

I'm gonna do something. I'm telling you. I'm gonna get married. Y' all playing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you think in 2027? What? Because think about how much money we'll save if we do the wedding all at the same time.

[Unc (Host)]

So we all walk down the aisle

[ISO Joe Johnson]

at the same time. We all have a different entrance. Oh, I'm I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do the catering, and I'm gonna do the. The music.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, What'd you think, 2027?

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, we could do that. You saying.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, we can do that. That's in like six months. 20, 20.

[Unc (Host)]

You. I. I wanna.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I want.

[Unc (Host)]

I want a June. I want a summer wed. I want a June wedding.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Okay.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, let's. Hey, let's do it on the beach, too. So we. We ain't got to wear no shoes.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, no, no. I gotta have my shoes on.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, man. Joe, you and.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Come on. Y' all had a.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, my. Hey, what? My feet. My feet look like my feet. Perfect, though.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Y' all gotta chill. Oh, act like he ain't been over there kicking bricks and like his feet don't look like he been kicking bricks.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, no, my feet. Good, Joe. I feel good, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, you gonna get a work done every week, don't you?

[Unc (Host)]

I do. I get a Baddie Petty every single week.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, I. I go. I go. Hey, I go every Friday. I kind of. I kind of been off because I've been traveling a little too much. But, Joe, I go every Friday. Joe. Hey, Joe, you gotta have. You gotta have your woman, you know, on your toes.

[Unc (Host)]

What you mean she don't suck on your toes?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I told you. Oh, yo, Ocho. Oh, yo, I told you, man. I ain't no freak like that. I don't need all that. I don't need my toes. I don't need none of that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yo, you got. I'm dope, Joe. God damn, man. You don't do.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I have a good damn time. That's what I do. Just. Cause I don't do none of the stuff that you got going on, you know? Are we good over here, Ojo?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right, all right. You know. You know what? I'm not suggesting nothing else for y' all to do, man. Good about it.

[Unc (Host)]

All right, Good. You shouldn't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, the stuff I'm mentioning, that's elementary. That's rookie stuff.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Well, you advanced, ain't you,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

man? Listen, man, I'm just trying to get y' all to crawl before you walk, man.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, Joe. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good, Ocho. I'm good.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Whatever.

[Unc (Host)]

I hadn't tried whatever. Experience. Experience. I don't think. I don't think I missed out on anything. I think I had me a good time. Well, I could have me a good time, you know.

[Tab Ramos]

Right.

[Unc (Host)]

I've been some places.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

There's certain Stuff y' all got to experience, man, before. Before we, you know, before we transition. That's all. Man, I'm just trying to get.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

But, but, but, but what if we having a good damn time, Which I'm talking about.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but. Yeah, Joe, that's the problem. You think we're having a good. A good damn time. But you. You not even doing everything. That's.

[Unc (Host)]

That's everything ain't for everybody. Didn't they tell you. Didn't your people tell you that? Chad, what's wrong with this, man?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

They know that boy number one. He's number one freak. They all know that.

[Unc (Host)]

And then.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And then you ain't got nothing to do with that. It ain't nothing. It's about living. Ain't got to do with no freak or none of that. It's about living. Y'.

[Unc (Host)]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y' all alive, but you're not living. I say that all the time.

[Unc (Host)]

My problem was I live too much. But anyway, can I get a birthday shout out? I'm 30 today. Born at 30 weeks. 90 days in the nick. In the nick. Living with cerebral palsy. And I'm still standing strong. Aaron, happy birthday, bro.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Happy birthday.

[Unc (Host)]

30 to big three zero. My nephew had a cerebral palsy. Obviously, the tech, the. The technology is not what it is now. And he passed at a. At a young age. So my heart. And that was the foundation that I. I supported when I went on Jeopardy and I won. I donated my winnings to cerebral palsy. So my heart goes out to you, bro, because I know what you're going through. So Congratulations and happy 30th birthday, bro. Happy 30th birthday. Sincerely, demon. Two times ISO. Congratulations. So glad it's official.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Hey, man.

[Unc (Host)]

Like a whistle.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I have a good time with these boys, man. Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Make sure. Make sure after we play. After we play ball, man. Just keep that same energy, man.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, bro.

[Unc (Host)]

All right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I can't believe the kids lost my LeBron ball, man.

[Unc (Host)]

Yard Shoot with it. Ocho was right again.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, Lord.

[Unc (Host)]

Ocho. No ball just made me 800 bucks on the Knicks.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

See? You see what I'm talking about? Hey, I'm. I mean, that's 800 more than what he had before.

[Unc (Host)]

Why?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because he listened to me. I'm making. I'm making people money out here. Moneyon coins.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I got you.

[Unc (Host)]

It says, I saw your video with Neil. You need to set up a debate between Neil and OO since he don't believe in science. We need to send you and Ocho to the moon to do a YouTube show from the moon. Make it happen, Eli.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, who is Neil?

[Unc (Host)]

Neil Degrasse Tyson. He's the astrophysicist. Physics.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

He got a He brilliant he bro. He's. I, I did I just sit down with him. He's on. He's a club chaser this week. When I say he brilliant, he brilliant. He brill. Let me tell you what he did. Oh, Joe, they was doing the movie Titanic. He told, you know, and I guess he called and told him what? Because it would. He said it doesn't look realistic because what you're shooting, that's not what the weather was on that day that year. Say, this is what the weather was on that day that year. So what you see in the movie, that's him. You could ask him something. Hey, man, what was the weather like? Such and such. What day did such. He can tell you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What was it? What's his title? What's his title?

[Unc (Host)]

He's an astrophysicist. Physicist.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay. Okay.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

He.

[Unc (Host)]

Man, he was. He unbelievable. But he like. I mean, he like, you know, he can tell you, like, the spin rate of a football and, and baseball and, and. And when you throw the football, you're not throwing it. You got to have a. A projection. So you're throwing the ball. The ball is going to travel at this speed. The wind is blowing at this. The guy's running at this level of speed. This is where the ball is going to need to be thrown in order for him to catch it. He's like that. Okay, so Joe, you shoot the ball or the move. He gonna say, joe, you move it about two miles an hour. Obviously, there's no crowd, there's no wind, and you're gonna jump probably this high. So this is the angle in which you're gonna have to shoot the basketball in order for it to go in. Anything to the left, anything to the right or not, this trajectory is going to be off.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Damn.

[Unc (Host)]

Now it was. It was unbelievable conversation, man. Ocho, does that mean ISO gets the official nightcap swing set?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, nah, you know what? I'm not offering them nothing.

[Unc (Host)]

They.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They don't. They don't. They don't want. And they. They so elementary when it comes to that stuff, man. I'm let them go ahead and do what they do. Like. Like Unc say, man, it ain't for everybody.

[Unc (Host)]

It's all good. No, it ain't go ISO. Joe, about the rep and defend my cowboys all season long.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, Joe, who gonna be hurt?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, just.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You need you need to chill. Don't be trying to speak no bad juju on us, partner.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't speaking no bad juju. I'm just. What happened the last 30 seconds.

[Unc (Host)]

Stop talking about that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

That's old, man. We can't do nothing about that. We can only move forward. Let's look forward.

[Unc (Host)]

Forward.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, y' all been looking forward to past all that.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

All right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I tell you what. I'm rooting for Pickens, and I'm rooting for Dak, and I'm rooting for.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Rooting for C. Well, you rooting for the damn Cowboys here.

[Unc (Host)]

No, he said he want them to have good numbers and lose.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Come on, come on. Now, we already. Look, I already. We already got a bet that the Cowboys record gonna be better than the Bengals any damn way.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, you. Well, you. Well, you're a fool. We got a defense now.

[Unc (Host)]

Ojo peak. Ocho picks as good as the Knicks. He got them as champs in 6 and ISO gotta be sick. Oo gonna go ahead and talk your ish, man.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Come on.

[Unc (Host)]

He doing good right now. East Coast Cavs, like I said. Nicks and five. I caught it right here on Nightcap. The Knicks are unstoppable. I don't want or ISO moving the goal post either. Nah, they win. They win. I mean, because the spurs are a very hot team. They beat the reigning champs. They beat the two time league mvp. And if the Knicks knock them off, the Knicks are the best team. You don't accidentally win four games.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, no, no.

[Unc (Host)]

You might play good for one and win one game, but to beat a team four times? Nah, you the better team. Yep. Oh, Ocho, as an Eagle fan, I appreciate you guys being real about A.J. brown last season and giving the locker room insight, man. Hey, you see Joy, my lotto said he's a. I'm just thank God it's over with because don't you. I got to talk about it all the time. Yeah, we ain't even really talking because now we talking about what? Did you see AJ on the sideline? Did you see this? You see that, bro? I want to talk about the game. We won or we lost. I'm gonna tell you why we won and. And then I'm gonna have to give you a reason why we lost. I ain't talking about no individual player. And I sure got tired. It starts to wear on you. It really does.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah,

[Unc (Host)]

but AJ Looked happy today. I mean, I saw him out there running r and he seemed like he had a big old smile on his face. So he seemed happy. I'm sure Philly is happy because they get draft compensation for him. Hey, it served him well. Everybody benefited.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yep.

[Unc (Host)]

He won a championship. He was a major contributor on a championship winning team. You could never take that away from him. Now he gets to go somewhere where he wants to be happy and and move on with his career. Hey, we're just wondering, do you regret calling Julio Jones or live TV the Falcons without him knowing? I regret a lot of things. I had a conversation with Julio. I've talked to Julio several times. That was a very, very unfortunate situation.

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[Unc (Host)]

I hate to say it, but I

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

don't trust much of anything.

[Unc (Host)]

It's the rage bait.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

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[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Unc (Host)]

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[Malcolm Glebel]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community, and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which is a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology.

[Unc (Host)]

And digital channels, are they enabled to create a deeper connection with our fans?

[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Unc (Host)]

Cat is the X factor. The spurs haven't played it big like Cat in their finals run. If Cat can play like that and the Knicks can win. Shout out to jb. Yes.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Right.

[Unc (Host)]

Look, we. He was the first pick in the draft, Joe. I mean, come on now. What are we doing here? We know what he can be. It's just that sometimes he settles for threes. Yeah, tonight he didn't settle. Did he even shoot a three tonight?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, I think. I think he was like, oh, for two. I think he took.

[Unc (Host)]

Okay, zero for two.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He was over two.

[Unc (Host)]

But what did you see him do more times? Than not put the ball on the floor court and get to the hole.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yep. Yep. Not selling. Yep. Not selling for a lot of them jump shots. And you're right, this probably the best big that the spurs have seen because Minnesota would go. Brad, you know, he. He's not a school guy. Yeah. Who they just played. Hardenstein ain't no. Ain't no threat, you know, so he can kind of play that free safety, but hell with the Knicks. Hell, he gotta respect all them guys they got out there.

[Unc (Host)]

Yes. Why is Brunson not getting the defense that SGA got? They did. I mean, you got to realize, I think he just got hot that quarter. We saw Shay get hot Castle. I mean, the guys were doing a good job on him. Yeah, guys, he shot the ball 31 times.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

He got 30 points on 31 shots.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, they done a hell of a job on it.

[Unc (Host)]

They did a hell of a job. They just won the game today.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Fourth quarter. He got away from that.

[Unc (Host)]

Yes. He got. He got. He got hot. And. And I'm sure had they, you know, maybe they go back and says, you know what? Let's. You know, let's bring the double or let's trap him to get the ball out of his hands. But 12 or 31, you got to live with that. That shooter percentage.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah. I mean, that's way.

[Unc (Host)]

That's way, way under 40%.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

What?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

He scores 17 in the fourth.

[Unc (Host)]

He scored 13.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

13 in the fourth. Yeah. That's half of them. That's half.

[Unc (Host)]

That's definitely half his points. Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

Cornette is a liability. Do you guys agree women cannot catch a breather? Cornette. Cornette is goaded for the simple fact of the play that he made on Hardenstein in that last game. But he has not played well. With the exception of maybe one game, he hadn't played well.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

No.

[Unc (Host)]

Like you said, he can't get Wimby can't take. Because I'm sure they would like to get Wimy some. A decent rest. But when he goes out, it starts to slip away. Guys go to the paint. And I thought, look, the Knicks did an unbelievable job tonight inside Joe. They got a lot of their points in the paint.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, they did. They did. They did. Hey, look, I think cornet. Hell with 10 minutes, he wasn't doing number running. Damn winspin sprints.

[Unc (Host)]

That's it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

But that's all. That's all he need. He only 8 to 10 minutes, man. When we gonna have to play 38, 40 minutes a night? Yep. Yeah. I don't Know what? I don't know what they thinking about. His ass got to be out there.

[Unc (Host)]

Spurs got to make Brunson work on the other end. Go at him. Just can't let him guard Champagne. He likes champagne on him tonight. Might have to stop watching. Look, Champagne knocked down some shots. Champagne is not a guy that you put the ball in his hands and say, okay, go to work. He's a guy that likes to stand behind the three point line. He'll feel the lane, but. But that's his game. Yeah, Vassil can put it on the floor, but Vassil does, excuse me, Vass V does more shooting from the outside than putting it on the floor. He's a great rebounding guard. Get some putbacks. The guy that will attack him is Castle and Fox and Harper. And they do a great job of keeping him off those guys.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

They do.

[Unc (Host)]

That's why you got a Josh Hart. That's why you got a Mikhail Bridges. That's why you got OG look at who they were guarding. OG Opened up tonight on Fox.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah,

[Unc (Host)]

they're not gonna put, they're not gonna put that guy and have him guy try to tie him out on the other end.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

No, that's what they got. Them guys that do all the dirty work.

[Unc (Host)]

Yes. Yeah, same thing with Shay. You're not putting Shay on one of those guys. Nope. I need Shay to wet to rest. Fox has been the downfall for the Spurs. Hadn't had played one good game yet. He's played some good games. Has he had those, those 30 point outbursts like we used to see him have all the time against the Lakers the last couple of years? No, no, no, no.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

They're gonna, hey, they gonna need a couple 20 points.

[Unc (Host)]

They might need some 20 pointers.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

22, 27, 25. They gonna need him to have a couple of those games for them to be effective in this series.

[Unc (Host)]

Let's go, Nick's baby. They got the brooms. Harper is going to have to eventually be a starter. He's playing too well to continue to be on the bench. He will, but unfortunately I don't think he's going to start this series. Do I see a situation? A situation when Joe and I, we talked about this way early and I say he's just too good to come off the bench.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

He is, bro. He just too Damn good. Number two pick, rookie that's 20 years old with the poise and patience that he has, big body. It's gonna be hard to keep him on that bench.

[Unc (Host)]

Y' all should go on location. To New York for the finals. Y' all will shut the city down. New York with your Y ends. ISO. Dallas won't win till Jerry stop. Stop watching.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, man. Come on, come on, come on. You gotta chill. Hey, New Yorker. Trample our ass. We go out there.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, yeah. Three things guaranteed live death and taxes in 85. Getting these predictions right and still king ISO.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hello.

[Unc (Host)]

Y' all be gassing. Y' all be gassing Ocho up, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Hello.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, come on. Come on, Joe. Come on, Joe. You got chill.

[Unc (Host)]

Brunson showed up, but the spurs played their worst game all playoffs. Don't celebrate too soon. You'd have to pray the spurs played that bad every game to win this series.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, here we go. Here we go.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

They. They didn't make shots, man.

[Unc (Host)]

They didn't. I. So when y' all go fishing and you see Ocho hooking roast spark on his line, don't be like, stay with me with the fish fight. Gonna be expand. Trust me. Actually be. Love the show.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's a good one.

[Unc (Host)]

I just need ultra ISO to tell me what we're going fishing for. ISO talking about he going fish for anything to bite.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah. What we. I mean.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe. I told y' all winning basketball.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got everything you need in that on there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I don't listen. I don't know what I'm looking at, but they got a lot of it. He has so many fishing rods. I'm like, my goodness. Hey, it was. It was nice. I just don't. I. I just don't know what any of. Obviously, but they got top jigs.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

Rebels, all that. And, you know, I'm.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I should.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I. Is that. Is that expensive? You know how. You know how golf. Buy clubs. So fish. So getting a. Yeah, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I just thought I might just get into it because I'm in Miami.

[Unc (Host)]

But I beat Joe with a cane pole, man, please. Matter of fact, I get. Hey, as a matter of fact, I'll fish deadline.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, oh. I'm telling.

[Unc (Host)]

Don't stop nothing. No, no, nothing.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

I'm trying to be cool with you. This really ain't what you want. I'm just gonna be 100 with you. This ain't what you want, man.

[Unc (Host)]

I do, Joe. I'm just telling you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't like the smell of fish. It make. It make your hands stink.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, yeah. You ain't no real fisherman.

[Unc (Host)]

Surely you like to smell something else. But anyway, guys, I hit the big 47 today. Can y' all give your boy a shout out? Thanks so much. Love the show. Absolutely. Happy 47th, bro. Congratulations. That means, hey, happy 47. Magic three from five zero. Man, you did something fun, man. I don't know what you did, but you should have done something fun. 47. Round the sun. That's a big feat, man. Congratulations. Congrats. ISO officially the big three. You think Ocho need the high spurs?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

None.

[Unc (Host)]

To put them ringside when you put those bud Crawfords on it.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Right.

[Unc (Host)]

Mitchell out. Coach Harper not. Not playing down the stretch. Fox, three turnovers. He did. He didn't play well. He didn't play well tonight. I think Joe and I, we open that. We open up like that, say he did not play well, he's gonna have to play better. Seven points won't get it done. Your starting point guard can't give you. Can't give you seven points in this series.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, you're right. And I ain't gonna lie. I was thinking that too. Like the last three, four minutes, I'm like, damn. He might need to go with Dylan Harper down at the point. But I know Fox. You know, Fox is Fox. You know, a guy making a lot of money. You can't. You ain't gonna just throw him to the bench. But no, man, it would have been hard for me to keep harp on that bench, boy.

[Unc (Host)]

And you can't allow Brunson to outscore both of them.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

You can't. You can't.

[Unc (Host)]

He outscored both of those guys.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

And I'm counting on both of those guys production to neutralize Brunson. Absolutely.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Absolutely. And look, if Fox ain't gonna be making shots, I mean, he's scrappy on defense. I give him that. Like, he gonna try. He. He move his feet.

[Unc (Host)]

But it's just.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

It's just hard to keep him out there, man, if he ain't gonna keep applying pressure, you know what I mean?

[Unc (Host)]

Women shoot too many three point shots. If women get a sky hook is over and shoot, that is unblockable, fella. Jump shot is unblockable.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, he ain't. He. He.

[Unc (Host)]

He's gonna have to get stronger to be able to play down to. To. To set a position, establish position closer to the basket. It takes so much out of him because he starts so high up. If you go look at Kareem. Kareem started down on the block.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, great.

[Unc (Host)]

Like I'm getting down there and they. They tried. But hey, go talk to Kareem. And hey, cuz, Kareem had really basically the same type of a frame. Yeah, Kareem ain't have no. Kareem was, was, was wiry, just like Wimby. He wasn't no big. He wasn't an overly big man. If you look at Kareem, not Kareem damn near probably like 20 pounds heavier than when he played.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, you got.

[Unc (Host)]

He ain't gained a whole lot of weight, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Absolutely, absolutely. Wimby has to learn how to hold his position down on that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

That's the one thing he tried.

[Unc (Host)]

He could.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He couldn't move Mitchell Robinson.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

No, I know he can't. I'm saying he ain't. He ain't got enough bricks in his back pocket to, to. To. To stand his ground and be able to even give a damn post move. Because they so physical with him, you know what I mean? Like, I'll say by the time he get down, the hell he tired as. I don't know what. Yeah, that's why he floats around the perimeter because it's less resistance. He know those guys can't put their damn hands on him. Yeah, right.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, you made a. You made me watch AMG and Malice. Okay. I love a Few Good Men, but boy, Malice had my heart beating. So. At my mofo chairs. Congrats, ISO. Stay on them guys neck.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yes, sir. You already know it.

[Unc (Host)]

What up, Big Three? Congrats, ISO, on the promotion into full time. You have been a great addition and still also we must recognize that Ocho has elite basketball knowledge.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

hello.

[Unc (Host)]

What's your favorite black exploitation movie? My go to is Rudy Ray Moore, Human Tornado and anything with Pam Greer. Maybe Penitentiary.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, you talking about when they. When they carved up out of there and got up out of.

[Unc (Host)]

You better say ride him dead.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a whole movie. Ain't A Man. Yeah, Probably that I like.

[Unc (Host)]

I'm Gonna get yout Sucker.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Car Wash. Oh, yeah, a D.C. cab.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, I rock with that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Uncle. Hey, Joe, you remember D.C. cab?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

No, I don't remember that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, uncle, you remember.

[Unc (Host)]

I remember hearing. I didn't watch it. Car Wash. I watched.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, it was. Oh, it was. I think it was Taxi. I think it was Taxi. The original Taxi.

[Unc (Host)]

The white movie. Taxi.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It. Yeah. No, yeah. No, it's like old school. Wait, is it. Is it Taxi? Hey, I. I know, I know. I'm not tripping. It's back in the 80s.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

So much about Blazer with Cleveland Little blazing saddle.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. 19. 1998. Huh?

[Unc (Host)]

1998.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

1998. Yeah.

[Unc (Host)]

Who's in it?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, I'm trying to think. I'm trying to find a cast.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Car wash.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait, is this the right one?

[Unc (Host)]

I don't think so.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it was, it was two. It was two. It was two cab companies, the Yellow Cabs and the Green Cabs. They, they was, they was going at it. I'm trying to think if it's the right one.

[Unc (Host)]

I don't think Wimby has perspected picking his spots on the floor. At times he can try to do too much, which results in turnovers. He needs to let that spin go.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, I think when he started trying to go off the dribble a little

[Unc (Host)]

too much, that's when he's going into traffic, though, Joe. So they're coming from the backside to pick him up.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Well, here's the thing. Here's the problem you have with the Spurs. Whenever Wimby is on the perimeter, it's five guys on the perimeter. Ain't like it's a.

[Unc (Host)]

Two guys ain't got nobody can get down on the field.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah. So you got five around the, the perimeter, so there's not a lot of space to really operate, you know what I mean? And he's trying to operate in between guys, and it always results in the turnover, so I, I understand for sure.

[Unc (Host)]

And plus, Joe, with all five guys around there, it leaves very little margin for you to get an offensive rebound. Yeah, everybody's already outside the paint.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yep. Because they, hey, they rely so much on Wimby, the hell if he ain't up under that goal, you don't get no second chance opportunities.

[Unc (Host)]

Oh, Joe, what's the coldest game you've ever played in? ISO your Hawks teams or your son's team in a seven game series, who you rocking with?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

They said my Hawks team or your

[Unc (Host)]

son's team in a seven game series, who you rocking with?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Oh, really, man? What? Nobody gonna be that? I'm gonna keep it real with y'.

[Unc (Host)]

All.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

In 2004, playing on that Suns team with Nash, Amari, Sean, Quinn, Richardson, it was gonna be hard to beat us, bro. It took obviously, you know, us not being healthy for us to lose. And that was just our, that was only one year that we all played together.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, we.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

We was a nasty team, bro. We had a nasty squad. Nasty squad. It's gonna be hard to beat us.

[Unc (Host)]

Hey, Ocho. Just found out my cousin Antoine was the running back with you at Santa Monica. You remember running?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait Antoine. Antoine.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Hey, man don't know his damn teammate now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I do, I do.

[Unc (Host)]

I remember.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I remember. I remember Antoine. I remember a few. I remember a few of our players, man. Especially all our receivers.

[Unc (Host)]

That man say running back anyway, you know. You don't remember. He don't remember.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I remember. I run it back. Al Tricky Brown.

[Unc (Host)]

That man said, if I see Antoine

[ISO Joe Johnson]

face, I probably remember it.

[Unc (Host)]

I don't know how y' all did it, but. Yeah, like, I don't remember, like, real names. You gotta have a nickname. That's why when people ask the man such and such play with you, I said, did he have a nickname? You know, you got a nickname? I mean, yeah, everybody had nicknames. Oh, Joe, ISO. After watching game one, would you agree that the difference between OKC and the Knicks is that Cat is better than Chet? Yeah, yeah,

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

no question.

[Unc (Host)]

Cat attacked tonight.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

And they're a healthy team.

[Unc (Host)]

Yes. Lost my dad at 12, my grandma at 15. Depression kept me from finishing high school with. From minimum wage in the Bronx to 250k. Celebrating feels empty when the people I wanted to make proud aren't there. How do you do it?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Well, I already know is. I know it.

[Unc (Host)]

My grandmother was around to experience the large. A large part of my career, especially my whole NFL career. And my first. My first 10 years. I mean, all my years at. I mean, well, seven years at cbs, you know, but, you know, even though everybody's not. Grandfather. You know, my grandfather, my grand. My. One of my. My grandmother, Grandma Charlie, she. She passed out in 93, so she saw some. But, you know, I still have my sister, my mom's here, a brother. I got kids now, so all is not lost. But I. I get what you're saying because I wish my dad could have. Could have saw what me and my brother became. I wish my grandfather could have saw probably. If my grandfather was alive, it probably wouldn't have happened because he had already told coach he wasn't gonna let us play. Cause my uncles had gotten broken up. So I would probably had to go to the military. And once I go spend four years in the military, try to come back and play because Barney wasn't having that. He wasn't.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

So he gonna get some work out you, boy.

[Unc (Host)]

Absolutely. And I was done working. When I'm gonna. I'm going to the military. Ain't working on. I wasn't working on that farm no more. That was it for me. Shout out to my daughter Faith for a sixth birthday. It's seven months for the. It's seven months for the best gift I could give my wife and five kids. My sobriety. Daddy loves y'. All. And we're going to have the blast at the zoo Saturday. Bless, fellas. One day at a time. Oh, yeah, Felix, congratulations, bro. Your sobriety. Like you said, once day at a time, bro. One day at a time. Five kids. Because guess what? Your wife and your five kids need you around. And you can only be around, healthy, sober, in your right mind. So, man, we're proud of you here at Nightcap, man. Keep it going.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Unc (Host)]

Joe, who you making clean up that confetti for you after the show?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

My kids and my lady, they. They gonna take care for me, man. Okay. Hey, look, look, I'm wondering, because normally when I come down here, you know, I'll be by myself. You know, I lock in about the. You know, it's about. About 8 minutes left in the game. I come down here and lock in. All of a sudden, I started hearing. I'm like, what the hell y' all doing down here? They stand there posting. I'm like, what they. What y' all got going on?

[Unc (Host)]

So it was.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

It was a cool moment, though. I appreciate him.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And you like. Hey, hey, Joe. You like my air horn, Joe?

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yeah, I like your air horn.

[Unc (Host)]

That thing don't even blow. Congratulations. I. So you complete the big Three tremendously. Never seen such strong chemistry in any show. Thanks for making my mornings extra special.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Thank you.

[Unc (Host)]

Yeah, bro. Joe is filled in, actually. He's blended quite well, and we're very, very excited to have him a part of the team full time now. And that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's called DC Cab 1983. I know you've seen it with Mr.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

T. Oh, I used to love Mr. T, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's the Cat, the Cab movie. It's always all about cabs.

[Unc (Host)]

I. I ain't see it, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, it's real good. You got to catch that. You got to catch. It's on Amazon Prime.

[Unc (Host)]

That completes this episode of Nightcap. As you watch, the New York Knicks storm back, score the last 11 points as they win this ball game, 105 to 95. Jalen Brussels scores 13 in the. In the fourth quarter as they get over the hump. And they've won 12 consecutive games. 12 consecutive games, which I think this is the longest playoff game, the second longest streak in NBA history. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite. And that is my partner and co host. That's Liberty City Zone. That is Chad Ochociko Johnson. And the third member not a permanent member of the Big three. Seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support and your continued support because you make this possible. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by La Portier head over to laportierconjac.com to purchase you a bottle. If it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. Remember it is a premium VSOP Cognac, the best tasting, smoothest VSOP Cognac on the market. Try it compared against others and you'll see we have the best cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe again the New York Knicks are three wins away from winning their first title in over 50 years thanks to Jalen Brunson. 30 points, three rebounds, three assists and he had 13 in the fourth quarter as they overwhelmed the Spurs. Score the last 11 points and they win 105 to 95. Game two is Friday, but we're back tomorrow on Thursday. Thank you guys for joining us. I'm Unk, He's Ocho and the third permanent member of the Big Three, ISO Joe Johnson. Thank you guys for joining.

[Ocho (Chad Ochociko Johnson)]

Yes sir. Peace out.

[Unc (Host)]

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