Nightcap Hour 1: Morocco UPSETS Netherlands + Paraguay BEATS Germany in PKs + Grizzlies TRADE Ja Morant to Portland

Summary

Nightcap Hour 1: Morocco UPSETS Netherlands + Paraguay BEATS Germany in PKs + Grizzlies TRADE Ja Morant to Portland

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe Johnson
Date: June 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This action-packed episode delivers instant reactions to a wild day in sports—headlined by two dramatic FIFA World Cup upsets (Morocco eliminating the Netherlands, Paraguay knocking out Germany, both via penalty kicks) and bombshell NBA trade news as Ja Morant is sent from the Memphis Grizzlies to the Portland Trail Blazers. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe break down all the action with energy, humor, and their signature unfiltered takes, reflecting on the unpredictability of knockout tournaments and the business realities of pro sports.

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Main Discussion Segments & Key Insights

1. Penalty Kick Drama: Morocco Stuns Netherlands (06:24–17:46)

• Game Recap:
  • Morocco beat Netherlands on penalties after a tense match. Cody Gakpo scored early for the Dutch, but Morocco's Issa Diop equalized with his first-ever international goal in stoppage time. The match went to PKs, where Morocco ultimately triumphed.
  • Shannon Sharpe: “Man, crossbar left bar. I mean, come on, guys. But Morocco is moving on... This was unbelievable.” (06:24)
• The Pressure of Penalty Kicks:
  • The hosts marvel at the intense psychological stress on players during PKs, comparing it to clutch moments in NFL and NBA, but on a global stage.
    • Shannon Sharpe: “You got over a billion people watching, and you know you can't miss, but your ass is this tight, Joe.” (10:35)
    • Joe Johnson: “In soccer, there's nothing like the PK... it’s all, hush. It's you versus him.” (10:04)
• Technique and Nerves:
  • Ochocinco and Shannon trade observations about why top athletes sometimes “miss the whole net”—the goal shrinks under pressure, nerves, and overthinking kill technique.
    • Chad Ochocinco: “It seem like [goalies] guessing, though.”
    • Shannon Sharpe: “Yeah, you got to guess... That’s the only way.” (19:47)
• The Magic and Pain of One-Game Knockouts:
  • They emphasize the beauty and heartbreak that single-elimination formats create, highlighting how big nations can fall to underdogs at any moment.
    • Joe Johnson: “That's the great thing about the World Cup… you never know.” (13:10)

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe: “Based on what I've seen and what I've been able to witness, [the World Cup] is better than sex.” (17:07)
  • Joe Johnson (cracking up): “It must have been sleeping with a sheep. You know the outcome when you get ready to do that. You know the outcome... In these games… you don't know the outcome.” (17:13–17:20)

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2. Paraguay Shocks Germany (31:27–35:51)

• Historic Upset:
  • Paraguay eliminates four-time champions Germany in penalties. The hosts recall the US having previously handled Paraguay, making this result even more shocking.
    • Shannon Sharpe: “There’s no way after what we saw USA do to Paraguay in the group stage that I felt that they were gonna [beat] Germany.” (32:00)
  • Celebrate the unpredictability and drama building as the tournament progresses.
• On Underdogs and Pressure:
  • The longer a match stays tied, the more pressure tilts toward favorites—underdogs get bolder.
    • Joe Johnson: “The longer it plays, the more in favor it is to an underdog.” (32:40)
• Contextualizing the Upset:
  • The gang compares this shocker to iconic sports upsets: “miracle on ice” (US v. USSR, 1980), NC State beating Houston, Giants spoiling the Patriots' perfect season, and even Buster Douglas KO’ing Mike Tyson. (34:19–35:03)
    • Joe Johnson: “If Cape Verde beats Argentina, I'm trying to think what the equivalent of that would be in football terminology… Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson.” (34:19–35:03)

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3. Handling Clutch Moments & Pressure in Sports (22:12–27:36)

• Parallels to Other Sports:
  • Rich anecdotes about how pressure can affect even the greatest athletes—missing a penalty in front of billions isn't much different than dropping a crucial football in the fourth quarter or clanking a winning shot in the NBA.
    • Shannon Sharpe: “Pressure is what you feel when you don't know what the hell you're doing.” (24:01)
  • Preparation and repeated exposure to clutch moments are key to handling the big stage.
    • Chad Ochocinco: “Some people live for those moments.” (23:53)
  • They reminisce about pressure on home and away games: crowd noise, the silence before a big play, and how true professionals block it all out. (25:59–27:36)

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4. Ja Morant Trade Reaction – Memphis to Portland (51:28–75:05)

• The Shocking NBA Trade:
  • Memphis Grizzlies trade Ja Morant to the Portland Trail Blazers for Jeremy Grant and Chris Murray. Ja’s recent seasons (limited by injuries and off-court issues) force Memphis into a rebuild.
    • Joe Johnson: “Do you like Ja going to Portland?” (51:37)
    • Chad Ochocinco: “You got Morant, Dame, Holiday, and Scoot… You probably gonna carry three… But with bringing Ja over there, you got to be thinking you're going to get rid of one of these guys at least.” (51:40–52:45)
• Impact on Portland & Ja’s Career:
  • Shannon sees Portland as an ideal reset for Ja—slower pace, less distraction, strong veterans like Dame Lillard to mentor him.
    • Shannon Sharpe: “I think Portland is a good place. It's not too fast… For him to have a restart on his career, I think he's in a good place.” (54:07–54:36)
• Shedding the Wrong Crowd:
  • The necessity for Ja to change his entourage is emphasized. The hosts note how hard it is to break old ties but remind listeners of the financial (~$200M) and reputational stakes at play.
    • Chad Ochocinco: “Assets and liabilities, bro… You gotta lock in, get to it, show them what they missing.” (55:58–56:44)
• What the NBA Needs:
  • “Basketball still need Ja… that Ja that’s entertaining and polarizing… We need that Ja back.” – Shannon Sharpe (57:32–57:52)
  • Ja’s off-court actions can’t overshadow his on-court greatness. His availability and production have to align for tolerance to remain high.
    • Joe Johnson: “When production is here, tolerance is up here. Production can't be here and tolerance up here. That ain't gonna work.” (62:49)

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5. Lighter Moments: Games, Gambling, and Spades Bragging (40:34–44:50)

• Classic trash talk and laughter about poker, dice, checkers, dominoes, and particularly spades.
  • Joe Johnson: “There's a difference between a bartender and a mixologist. There's a difference between a spade player and a spade-ologist.” (43:22)
• The hosts challenge each other, flexing their game table credentials and sharing hilarious family wisdom.
  • “You two not on my level. You country. You two country ain't on my level.” – Joe Johnson (43:44)

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6. Honoring Sports Legends: LT & the Culture of Iconic Players (63:40–67:24)

• Stories about NFL legend Lawrence Taylor, how he changed the game, and how the NFL’s culture and economics (edge rusher value, left tackle money) reflect his impact.

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7. Shooter Debate: Dame, Steph, or Klay? (69:02–71:20)

• Hosts debate where Damian Lillard and Klay Thompson rank as all-time NBA shooters.
  • Shannon asks: “Where do we put Klay in that conversation?”
  • Joe Johnson: “He [Klay] ain’t better than Dame… I’m taking Dame.” (69:46)
  • Discussion focuses on shot creation, range, and big moments (70:10–71:20).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “When you’re in a pressure situation… your ass is this tight, Joe.” – Shannon Sharpe (10:35)
• “[The World Cup is] better than sex.” – Shannon Sharpe (17:07)
• “It must have been sleeping with a sheep… you know the outcome when you get ready to do that!” – Joe Johnson (17:13)
• “Pressure is what you feel when you don’t know what the hell you’re doing.” – Shannon Sharpe (24:01)
• “The longer [the game] plays, the more in favor it is to an underdog. We ain’t got nothing to lose.” – Joe Johnson (32:40)
• “When production is here [high], tolerance is up here. Production can't be here and tolerance up here. That ain't gonna work.” – Joe Johnson (62:49)
• “You two not on my level. You country. You two country ain't on my level.” – Joe Johnson (43:44)
• “Basketball still need Ja… We need that Ja back.” – Shannon Sharpe (57:32)

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Important Timestamps

• 06:24: Morocco’s win over Netherlands—recap and reactions
• 10:35: The psychology and pressure of PKs (“your ass is this tight”)
• 13:10–15:56: Why World Cup upsets are legendary
• 31:27: Paraguay-Germany upset—framing the historic result
• 32:40: Underdogs and the momentum of knockout matches
• 34:19–35:03: Iconic upsets in sports history
• 51:28: Ja Morant traded to Portland—analysis starts
• 54:07–54:36: Why Portland is a strong landing spot for Ja
• 55:58–56:44: Changing circles: “Assets and liabilities, bro.”
• 62:49: On tolerance for star behavior and performance
• 69:02–71:20: Lillard, Steph, Klay—elite shooters debate

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Wrap-Up

This episode is a showcase of why Nightcap is must-listen late-night sports talk. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe break down America’s (and the world’s) biggest games with humor, honest analysis, and real-life experience—from heart-stopping penalty kicks and World Cup Cinderella stories to seismic NBA trades. Littered with quotable gems and competitive banter, listeners are left both entertained and informed, anticipating the next twist in an unpredictable sports summer.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's connected, Ash.

[Joe Johnson]

Wow, wow, wow. We had two matches in today on penalty kicks. Hey, they couldn't get it done in stoppage. They couldn't get it done in extra time. And boy, I saw a. I hope there were some doctors in the house because I saw a lot of Heimlich maneuvers being done. They was gagging today. Ocho, man, crossbar left bar. I mean, come on, guys. But Morocco is moving on the Moroccan goal on that fifth shot. Ocho, I don't know how he got a hand on it, but he got a hand on it and then they came off and put the finishing touches on it. We'll talk about that. Brazil goes on. The Germans, the powerful Germans are going home. The Dutch team going home. Man, this was unbelievable. Guys, we got you tuned in. Thank you for joining us. Y' all know who I am. I am your favorite unc. That is my partner and co host, the Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame artery, the soccer guru himself. Six time pro bowler, three time all pro. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson. The third member of the big three is a seven time NBA all star from Little Rock, Arkansas. He went to the University of Arkansas, Mr. Clutch himself. If you need a basket late in the ball game, give him the ball. Get out of his way. He says, I'm calling 1, 4 flat. I don't need a screen. I don't need a pick. I don't need a pin down. Give me the ball. Get the hell out of my way and watch me do work. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go. Subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you for your support and your continued support because all of Nightcap success is because of you. The rewards that you see behind us, the adulation that we've been able to receive over the almost three years, is all because of your eyes, ears, and your word of mouth. And Ocho, I, Joe, cannot thank you enough. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by Laportier, head over to laportiercognac.com to purchase your bottle if it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. It is a premium BSOP cognac. It drinks like an exo, and we have it in two sizes. The 750 is the OG. The 375 is the Junior. Same great quality, same great taste, the same smoothness. Try it. Compare it against cognacs you've tried or you're looking to try, and you'll see immediately we have the best tasting, smoothest cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Big day. Big day. Big day. First the Germans and now the Dutch are headed home. Morocco beat the Netherlands. Netherlands on penalty kicks. Cody Gapo. I think that's his name.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cody Gakpo. Gakpo.

[Joe Johnson]

Gapo. Okay. Gap. Gappo makes it one. Oh. Gappo scores. Just days after tragic loss of his. His unborn child, Issa Diop scores in stoppage. Equalize it in Diop. First ever international goal, 25th goal scored. 90 minutes or beyond. Let that sink in. Ojo. Joe, that's basically overtime. That'd be like you getting 15, 15, 16 games in overtime in the NFL. And that's what we have had today. It was an unbelievable look. The Dutch look like they had it. They got one in, did a great run out, and the next thing you know, hey, the guy gets ahead or he gets it in Morocco almost wanted again an extra time. Oo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And the goalie makes a tremendous save.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Crazy save.

[Joe Johnson]

And then it's like, okay, we going to. Hey, we going to pks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, and, And. And. And basketball, they say it's nothing like game seven.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

In football, in play. In play and us in every game is a game seven. But in soccer, there's nothing like the pk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Oh.

[Joe Johnson]

Because guess what? Oo, it's all, hush. It's you versus him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The crowd is going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And hey, you got 10. Hey, you can do all you want to. You can go slow. How you come up there, like over fear me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Or you pause. You can do whatever you want to do. All I know is you and that man and you Gotta beat him. Oh, so what did you, like? How did Morocco pull this thing off?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, listen, they. They pulled it off in PK's. Uncle Joe. People have to understand the amount of pressure that on these players. When you think about the gold, Uncle Joe, I'm sure you've been to the park before and you. And you look at it, you look at a goal, you'd be like, well, God, Lee, the goal is really big. How in the hell did they miss these kicks? But when you in a. When you're in a pressure situation like that, representing the entire country, you got over a billion people watching, and you know you can't miss, but your ass is this tight, Joe, you laughing. Why you think so many people miss kicks tonight? Because you're trying. You're trying to aim for the corner where the. The one place where the goalie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I already knew it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bottom left corner or the bottom right corner. And if you mess up that technique just a little bit, the ball is flying left or it's flying right.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, what you gonna say about that guy that missed the whole damn net? The guy kicked the ball. He a hit the pole. He hit that. Could have called me. Hey, Shark, come on. Yeah, I could have did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Unc. There's a technique to it. Obviously, most people say, oh, it's easy. But in a situation like that, Joe, it's like the game is on the line, right? No point. Point two on. Point two on the clock, and you got to hit your free throw. You got to hit your free throw to win the game, to go to the next round, whatever it may be. But there's a lot of pressure. The technique that goes into it is very, very, very, very difficult. Unless you're one of the. No, a winger or a center mid or someone that's always on the ball. You're not really that comfortable taking that penalty kick. But listen, they won in PKs. It was a very, very good game. I honestly thought. I thought Netherlands was going to win. When Cody Gakpo scored that scored his goal, I was like, hell, if I was. If I was Netherlands coach, I want to ensure that I got the next round. Hey, I'm part of the bus. I'm playing defensively, you know, and. And I. And take my chances that way. But obviously, you know, an open play. They kept playing and. And Morocco got a header on. Morocco got a header in open play. And hey, it was game on, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, you look at. And the Dutch team, the Netherlands, they had the seventh best odds, and they're Going home. We know the Germans, the Germans in war who have won four World Cups.

[Tab Ramos]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

They're packing up going home and, and, and you know, look, that's, you know, nobody, I don't think anybody expected if somebody you take an odds you're going to have because Ocho we talked about the top. You say I like, I like the Netherlands, I like Germany, you like Spain, you like Spain. Obviously you like Argentina. You was hoping Portugal with Ronaldo do something you like. Okay. The US can do. But I think everybody had if you, if we were picking brackets. It's hard for me to see a bracket that didn't have the Dutch or the German Germany on it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Uncle Joe, that's the great thing about the World Cup. That is the great thing about the World Cup. Think about the Germans. I think they're ranked within the top 10 of countries in the world and they lost to a 40, 40, 40 something ranked team.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not expecting that. So the World cup, especially when you get to the round of 32, you get to the round of 16, it's so unpredictable. They. That's what makes the game so great. That's what makes it so, so beautiful because you never know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And it's, and it's just one game, you know what I mean? It's not no series. That's what makes it exciting. And that's what put the pressure on them damn players out there, you know, kicking them kicks, bro. I, I can only imagine what that's like, you know, with, with billions like you say ojo billions watching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Crazy Joe representing the whole. Joe, you representing the whole.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I get it, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

That's the thing. That's the difference between football and basketball. Because in football and basketball, somebody, somebody was rooting for the spurs. In America, somebody was rooting for the Knicks. In America, in football, somebody's rooting for the Patriots, somebody's rooting for the Seahawks. But in Morocco, everybody in the Netherlands, in Amsterdam, everybody in Germany, everybody. And you know, there's no this is forever. They're gonna replay this over and over and over for years. We still see the Billy Buckner when he lets the ball go through his legs. For the Boston Red Sox, we see Jackie Smith had a wide open touchdown in the super bowl against, for the Dallas Cowboys against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And it hits him in the chest and he hits the ground. They're still going to show how, how old you think you'll be. And you'll still see that interception that Russell throw on the goal line forever. Forever, Forever. You'll see the J.R. smith play forever. Forever and ever. Those live as long just as great as a great play, as a great catch, as a great shot. They'll live on. Because guess what? That's just the way sports are. You have a winner, you have a loser and everybody likes it when it's all on the line. We don't hey we a. You didn't get it done in regulation. You didn't get it young and stop his time. You didn't get it done extra time. So now guess what we we gonna sell it on. And it's a hush.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

70,000, 80,000. However many thousand in that stand is you and that man in front of you and he doing all this. He what you got? What you got for me? I owe your dude. You ain't got nothing. He guess right and you just a little bit. It's determined by a half an inch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Joe Johnson]

Games are it's not yards and it's a half an inch a great just like this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. Who came up with the hitches and hesitations before they kicked the ball though? Who came up with all that?

[Joe Johnson]

You can do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can do that a little bit Joe. They you hes I try to throw

[Joe Johnson]

you off your river cuz you try to me up. I'm trying to throw you off your timing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the whole point of the hesy by by the by those taking the kick is to get the goal move

[Joe Johnson]

you you want move or show which

[Shannon Sharpe]

way he's going then they go the opposite way. The longer the goalie can hold the bet, the better.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I hate to say this Uncle Joe, y' all might not agree. I'm sure we got people in the chat obviously would have to if you watch the World cup from the start, especially the group stage and now the round of 32 and and where it's hard to guess who's going to win. It's been so unpredictable and the games have been so good where most of the teams are winning, you know, at the very end of the game like Brazil won at the very end of the game. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say I think the World cup and the beautiful game itself at this point, based on what I've seen and what I've been able to witness is is better than sex.

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[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Uncle Joe. I, I, I, I think, I think

[Joe Johnson]

it's better than sex. You must have been sleeping with a sheep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, stay, stay with me real quick.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know what he talking about Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, let me tell you why. Let me tell you why not. You know the outcome when you get

[Joe Johnson]

ready to do that, you know the

[Shannon Sharpe]

outcome in these games. We've been watching every game. You don't know the outcome. Now, based on the odds, you might think, you know, hell when the games happen. Man, who thought Germany was going home to Paraguay? Did you see what the USA did to Paraguay in the first game, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. And Paraguay just beat Germany.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Unpredictable.

[Joe Johnson]

But guess what? Ain't predictable.

[Tab Ramos]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

Because they. Because at both times, somebody gonna say,

[Chad Ochocinco]

go,

[Joe Johnson]

go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. So I don't know what you talk about, O. It don't even be soccer either. It ain't the World cup. It ain't the Copas. It's nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you. I just had to throw that little tad bit in there, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Man. Hey, this was. Look it.

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It.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, George, all I heard. Oh, my God.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But that was. That was. That was from all them damn miss kicks, wasn't it?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I let.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I couldn't believe it neither, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, that. Hey, it's hard, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Morocco started off, kick the crossbar.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I said, boom. And then, hey, Germany started. I mean, excuse me, the Dutch team started it. They got a goal, and then the dude come back and boink it. And then here come the. The Germans come back, they doing it. And then the Moroccans, they get it in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And I'm like, bro, what are y' all doing? And then my brother, brother, man, he missed the whole goal. I mean, he missed the whole. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was trying to. Even trying to get that bottom corner.

[Joe Johnson]

Sometimes you could try to be too precise.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And plus, the thing is, Ocho, because he. If you look at it, normally, they go up there with a head of steam because they putting power behind it. When you go up like that right

[Shannon Sharpe]

there, he drew trying to place it. Hey, some. Hey. Sometimes the people that you see taking it and not. Not running up, they not comfortable doing those kicks.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not comfortable. And then, Joe, you gotta think, you know, how you know. Joe, I'm sure you've seen a soccer goal. You see how big it is in them type of situations. Boy, that goal look like this. No, I'm being. Them goals look so small.

[Joe Johnson]

And then they try to kick that ball in the laundry basket.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, basically. That's what it's. That's what it's like, Joe. Them goalies tall.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know, but it seem like they guessing, though. It's like they. They guessing for real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you. You got to guess, Joe. That's the only way. You got to read. Read. Hey, read the players mannerisms.

[Joe Johnson]

You trying to get a tail?

[Tab Ramos]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And most of the time, you know, the goalie already has. If we go to pks, they already have a sheet of which way everybody like to go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Just like what you got.

[Joe Johnson]

Just like y' all got a sheet. Hey, hey, keep him going for. Hey, make him force him right, force him left. Let's force him to the middle. They got. Hey, dbs. Hey, he likes to play with his hands. He real hands it. He likes to clue. He likes to guess a lot. He like to. Hey, be careful. He'll quick jam you, so make sure. Hey, make sure you're prepared. So we can. We know everything. We gotta shoot a sheet. We know what the starting two corners are going to do and the first three corners off the bench. We know exactly how they like to play. Now, do they get an opportunity to switch it up? They might.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But guess when the rubber needs to meet the road in the fourth quarter, guess who ain't gonna switch it up. Cause the one thing you not gonna do is get beat using a technique that you're unfamiliar with. Yeah, the same thing with you. Ocho. Hey, Ocho, what you want, man? You know what I want. Give me that speed auto.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let me go deep.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I saw what you want, man. You know what I want. That elbow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, about. Hey, yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

give me that elbow. Yeah, that's what I want.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

same thing. These guys. Yeah, they might try to switch it up and try to freeze you and do all this and all that, but check you, especially in this moment, in this. This. The World Cup. Yeah, just to go to 32. If you don't go to 32, you can't go to 16, you can't go to 8, you can't go to 4, and you can't go to the finals. Yeah, man, that. Lord Jesus. Haven't been in that situation before. Some of these guys probably was kicking the ball for the first in this moment.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, this kind of moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different. It's different. It's different than playing for your club. It's different from playing, you know, you playing in Italy, Are you playing in Spain? And you. You playing in London in the Premier League. Boy, you on the World cup stage, and you represent your entire country. And your kick. Your kick is taking your entire country to the next round, and you miss.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, this is what we play for, man. Man, you play for this moment right here, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man.

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Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, the thing is, think about it, guys. How many times Ocho we catching the ball? We counting it down. Five, four, touchdown. We catch the Joe, you hit the game winner. 4, 5, 4, 3, 2. This buzzer going off. Yeah, but there a lot of people that thing need shaking like a bridge in an earthquake. I know, cuz you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Everybody watching.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. I seen cats like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Everybody watching. Everybody don't want that pressure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Everybody.

[Joe Johnson]

But you see guys in the first quarter, o catching, man, everybody looking like obj.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Come fourth quarter. No, no, no, no. I want you to make that catch in the fourth quarter that you made in the first quarter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you see that joker pull it up. Hey, they come down the fast.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, 103. They kick it to it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Come down the four quarter. Out the ball going, slam over the reel, slam over the back. But like, damn, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, them facts, little facts, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, I don't see it, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you ain't lying. That's how I started off, guy. Hey, guys be free floor in that first half, shooting shots. They know damn well they ain't shooting in the fourth quarter. Fourth quarter, get here. They don't want no problem. They don't want none of that action. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna be over here in the corner.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna be, you know what I mean, gonna do your thing.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I don't see the Ocho. Hey, what you got over there? Man, I ain't got nothing over here. We watched the tape. Dude wide open. He done beat the dude by three yards, but he don't want that pressure. You don't want that pressure in the fourth quarter and you drop it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah. But hold on, hold on, hold on. Some of us do. Some people live. Some people live for those moments.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. For those moments. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But here's the thing, though, Joe. You hit big shots all along the way in order to prepare you for the moment. See, pressure is what you feel when you don't know what the hell you doing. If you've never been in a pressurized situation, it's hard for me to believe that Joe Johnson, the first shot, the first precious shot he ever made was at the. Was at Atlanta. It's hard for me to believe the. The first third down big catch Ocho ever made, the fourth down catch he ever made was in the NFL. It's hard for me to believe that. Right. The more you in that situation, the easy it is for you to Handle the situation. And it looks like a regular situation to you. You're not thinking about it. You think about it. Oh, it'll get your damn head. That ball will get up on you before you know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you gotta read and react, baby. Read and react. Don't. Don't overthink it.

[Joe Johnson]

It's hard though, that, baby. You like. Damn, we in the FC Championship game. Damn, this ball is moving slow. Hey, it's funny because, like, when the ball is in the air, I don't know how you feel, Joe. Like when you let the ball go, but the ball's in there. I can't hear a thing. Ocho. I couldn't hear a word. 80,000 fans, I couldn't hear a word. The moment I catch the ball, get tackled or start to run, I can hear everything. I'm like, hold on. Did y' all just. Did y' all be quiet so I could catch this ball to just start all of a sudden once I caught it, Locked in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you. You locked in because I. I'm. I'm always. I'm always zoned out. I'm always zoned out. No matter how loud the crowd is. I can't hear him now when I'm on the sideline, I can hear him clear as day.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When I put that helmet on and strap them straps, I can't hear nothing, Nathaniel.

[Joe Johnson]

I can hear everything until the ball snap.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got. Hey, you got too much you thinking about here. Damn. I gotta think about these plays we about to run. Hell, I gotta think about my man, his ass not getting too lo me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I totally get it. Yeah. When that ball go up and you go to getting up and down that floor, you ain't thinking about nothing else.

[Joe Johnson]

Nothing. It used to be Joe and oo you used. If the crowd got too loud, the quarterback would instruct official say, I can't hear the snap count. And the official would make the crowd hush.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's if. If you playing home, Joe, when they see the. When they see the quarterback like this, everybody quiet. Everybody quiet down. Especially if you in your on. On your end of the field going

[Joe Johnson]

to the score, Joe. Oo it was on a way. They would make the visiting. They would make the home crowded visitor quiet down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, I. I ain't never seen that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. There's a. There's a clip go on YouTube. They're the clip. We in Kansas City. Dan had already told John, if you can't hear, step out from under the quarterback, step out from under the center and look at the referees. I can't hear

[Shannon Sharpe]

that. That's the point of playing away is having that advantage.

[Joe Johnson]

They changed that rule, though.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they definitely changed it. Yeah. But man, this was. This was very, very exciting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And just when I thought Germany had pulled the biggest bag job, the Dutch team said, hey, hold my beer. Hold my beer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, y' all missed three.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe Johnson]

I hate to say it, but I

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[Chad Ochocinco]

It's the rage bait.

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It feels like it's trying to divide people.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

That junk hard.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, two and two. And that goalie, the one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Look like he did that on accident in the man.

[Tab Ramos]

He did.

[Joe Johnson]

He did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, all the goalie can do is read and react. Hope you, hope you guess right and hope you get a foot or a hand on it.

[Joe Johnson]

The Canadians would take on the Moroccan team and the showdown July 4th.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep, it's going down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I can't wait.

[Joe Johnson]

You saw players three. Three players missed crucial penalties for the four time. For the four time winner Germans. The Germany team who was eliminated with the World cup of the shootout by the number 34 ranked Paraguay. The Germans became the first powerhouse at the tournament to eliminated in the round of 32. Ocho. Could you have imagined this upset?

[Tab Ramos]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm not. I'm not even sitting here and lie to you, Uncle Joe. There's no way after what we saw USA do to Paraguay in the group stage that I felt that they were gonna come in. Come in.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Germany. Now when it goes to penalty kicks, not all best off. Because anything could happen. Yes, anything can happen. But I'm thinking in open play. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[Joe Johnson]

I. I thought that's why you can't let it get to that ojo.

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

What? When you go on the road, when you're playing a team and the team is supposedly better than you.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What do the coaches tell you? Let's get it to the fourth quarter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Because as the game goes on, the pressure mounts on them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Keep it closed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

We're 34. They're a top team. They've won it four times. Everybody had the Germans on their. On their board to advance. The longer it plays, the more in favor it is to an underdog. Because guess what? We ain't got nothing to lose. We ain't supposed. Hey, we supposed to be packing our stuff, going home anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the funny thing about it, too, the underdog score first in this game. The underdog score first. And I think it was. It might have been the 40. The 42nd minute. In the 42nd minute, under underdog score first. It was 1 0. So that put. That put the pressure on Germany at some point. Obviously they still had another half to go. And then obviously Germany came. Came back and scored and it was tied. I mean, I don't. It is so exciting. It is so exciting because it's so unpredictable. I can't even wait. I can't wait for the game tomorrow. France, I hate. I hate them to jump. Jump the gun a little bit. France plays Sweden tomorrow. What happened to Sweden beat France, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, they beat him. Somebody gonna be, hey, they're like, hell, while you bull job, we hope to Cape Verde and knock out the Argentines.

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[Joe Johnson]

That's what.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It ain't possible.

[Joe Johnson]

OJ All. All this notion, Joe, to be the man, you got to beat the man. Nah, I'll beat the man to beat the man. Joe, don't make me no never mind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, K. Verde has been playing very well. Their goalie's been playing with very well. K Verde against Spain, obviously tying that game. That's where the goalie got to start him from. Keeping all those goals out and shots on target when they play Spain. Joe, if Cape Verde beats Argentina, I'm trying to think what the equivalent of that would be in. In football terminology.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, it'd be the miracle on ice is when the U.S. beat the Soviets in 1980. In hockey, that would be. I'm trying. Hold on. North Carolina State beating Houston. Villanova beating Georgetown. Yeah, I'm trying to think big because one game. Because we gotta. We gotta think one game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. Yeah. What team.

[Joe Johnson]

What team shows up? Penn State beating Miami in 87 with the five picks off Vinny Tester Verde.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. I wonder what the chat would think. What would be equivalent to Cape Verde beating Argentina.

[Joe Johnson]

That's I mean, that's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That, that'd be crazy. But I just, I mean, I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson, 25 to 1 odds.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

you know, just a thought of that. Boy, you think the goalie, you think the goalie got what I, what do you have, 16 million followers now?

[Joe Johnson]

Like he was at 17.3 last I checked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, if they beat Argentina,

[Chad Ochocinco]

it's gonna go ham.

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What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, please. If, if he can keep Messi out the back of the net. Boy, I salute you.

[Joe Johnson]

Giants beating.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nobody else been able to do it.

[Joe Johnson]

Giants spoiling the Patriots perfect season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good one. That's a good example. That's a great example.

[Joe Johnson]

That's a great example.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey,

[Joe Johnson]

it's amazing how some people like the moment is really never too big for them. Yeah, they're never in awe of the moment. And I think the thing is, from Tom, you look at Tom, his very first, I mean, he in the super bowl and he has 40 something seconds and most people would have played for, hey, let's go to overtime. Coach Belichick said, nah, do your thing. He, well, that's what Drew Bledsoe told him. He said, no, don't be conservative. Sling it. Charlie Weiss. A short passage. They did a great job throwing a couple to the tight end. I think Wiggins was the title at the time. Dumped it to the back a couple of times, got in field goal range, and Adam Military was born. Hey. And then ever since that moment, there haven't been very many moments when the, when you had to slide all your chips to the table. Tom Brady normally won the hand. And whether he had the best hand or not, or he bluffed you off your hand, right? Cause you don't have to have the best ham to win. You just got to get the other guy to fold his hand. Hell, Dole Bronson, Dole Bronson won the World Series of poker with a 102 off suit. They call it adult bros in hand.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, that's, that sound like me.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Joe, you don't gotta play no pork.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't need good cars to win. I, I'm, I'm, I, I, I'm telling you. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you play poker?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey. Oh, come, I know. I just look like this, man. I'm telling you, I play a little

[Joe Johnson]

poker, Joe, but I get you, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You think you get me?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah, I don't study from Stu Unger, Johnny Moss, Johnny Chan do Bronson. I'm talking about some of the greats.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm unpredictable, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you see what you call him? You see what he did? Dictated.

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[Joe Johnson]

He said, pay that man. Pay him his money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, matter of fact, you know, it's a good example too, Uncle Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

If K. Birdie is able to beat Argentina, you know what that would be like?

[Joe Johnson]

What, Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That'd be like you being healthy and me and you played for real to 11. I'm talking about, like, dead ass. Like, really, you beat me and, And I. And I mess around and beat you. No one got that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Just go for real. It's not even remotely possible that that can't happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, you see? You see what you just said? You see? You see how confident you are? That's how the rest of the world is confident in Argentina?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Confident. No, it ain't this confident.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Joe, trust me. You. You know, you know what I'm trying to say?

[Tab Ramos]

I. I ain't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm. I'm trying to use it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I get you, Drew.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This time. This time I'm agreeing with you. If you play free.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

but no, I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm lying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm telling you, man, listen.

[Joe Johnson]

You're not gonna beat me, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, listen, only time will tell, bro. You know, I'm telling. I'm.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know. Ocho. Ocho.

[Tab Ramos]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm just saying, still to play no poker. So I know I ain't got to worry about him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He give his hand away right away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. Hey, playing poker is. Is a chance I can lose money, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Tab Ramos]

Well, you know.

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Good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I ain't good. No. My cheap ass ain't playing no damn poker because I'm not in control of the outcome.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gonna shoot. You shoot some dice, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, I. I do that because, you know, I got.

[Joe Johnson]

We talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I got. I got one way die.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got trick dice, but it makes

[Tab Ramos]

sure,

[Joe Johnson]

man, you get, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You see what I'm saying?

[Joe Johnson]

Them crooks of them loaded dice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Joe. At the gambling house, man. Hey, hey. Dudes like you, you don't make it up out of there, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, don't worry about it. I got people. I got people outside waiting. If I don't make it out at

[Chad Ochocinco]

a certain time, now, they gonna find you.

[Joe Johnson]

You remember Harlem Knives, right? He said, I don't like kids. He said, get that jacket. They give me bad luck.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He said, man, roll the dice. He said, I'm a roller, but I bet not crap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll be waiting on your ass all night long,

[Chad Ochocinco]

baby.

[Joe Johnson]

Shoes. Mama need a dress and you need new teeth. Now roll the dice. I'm a roller.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I was hit. All you. What I'm gonna do is I will roll evil again. Nah, nah, he's. Hey, you roll. You lost if you roll and won, right? He paid you. Now pass the dice or buy from this man. And I ain't selling, punk.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I tell you what I would do. I will stick you and I will stick you. Now you tell that's gravel, boy slow walking. And I damn sure gonna step in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, man, I left the Harlem day.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it's classic, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all talking about dice. Hey, y'.

[Joe Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, y' all don't want to see me in dominoes, though.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I don't play no dominoes. Y' all got me in dominoes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Now, now, now we got dominoes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, they used to call me Domino Johnson in high school, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on, come on.

[Joe Johnson]

But we want to play checkers. You want any kind of card game you want to play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know I get y' all some talk. You drop on me, I bet you get caught. Yeah, you drop on me, you won't

[Joe Johnson]

drop it on you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe, you're not beating me at tongue. And. And you get you a partner. You won't beat us in space. Please get you a partner.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I get whoever. Whoever, Whoever over there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Joe Johnson]

All I know is me and my partner, you can go ask in Denver.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We never look at y' all cheating.

[Joe Johnson]

We the only one that's ever run away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Never, never lost.

[Joe Johnson]

Never. We never lost.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We the only one, Ocho. They kicking each other under the table and all kind of mess.

[Joe Johnson]

We never lost.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Anybody scratch my right ear, you got to come back with that same suit. Come back with that same suit. I already know what he got going on.

[Joe Johnson]

All I'm saying, me and my partner, Burns. You could ask anybody in Denver. We've never tasted.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I already know you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I tell you what. Hey, hey, Joe, you know, we are doing one solid. You go get Burns, and you play me and Joe and Spades, and let's see what happens.

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I guarantee you

[Joe Johnson]

already know. We gonna come out the game with a 10 for two.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho, Ocho, don't be reneging and all that.

[Joe Johnson]

I deal first. I'm dealing first.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, no. This is real life. This is real life. I mean, you talk about, like a storybook ending. Talking about coming out with 10 2. Come on, man.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm coming out with 10 2. Yeah, you could.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talking to one of the best spade players in South Florida. What are you talking about?

[Joe Johnson]

See, you one of the best. I'm the best. See, what you fail to realize, Ocho, I went to an hbcu. I'm a spade ologist. You are spade. That's the highest. You look like a grand master.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no. Do you see how long you didn't get to play spade until you got to hbcu? I was playing spades when I was seven, eight. Okay, what you talking about?

[Joe Johnson]

But see, what I'm saying is that all that time that I spent in the student union, where they call it Student union at the pwi, we call it student center. At the student center. And you know what I'm saying? I hone my craft.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, nah.

[Joe Johnson]

Now you talking now. Now you talking now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm really.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You ain't no real spades player.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm a. No, I'm not. I'm a spade ologist.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm about.

[Joe Johnson]

There's a difference between. There's a difference between a bartender and a mixologist. There's a difference between a spade player and a spade ologist.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

There's a difference between a chess player and a grand master.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what you're saying you like the

[Joe Johnson]

grand levels to what I do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you like the grand.

[Joe Johnson]

You two not on my level. You country. You two country ain't on my level.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, listen, I'm about action, man. Ain't about all that talking y' all talking about. For real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he is doing a lot of talking, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I just said, Joe, Joe, I am whatever I say I am. Cause if I wasn't, why would you know what it is? You know what it is, guys? The truth sound crazy in a world full of lies. That's why it's so hard. You're like, that's. He's really good at everything.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I caught that little who. Who. That was that spit them lyrics you just came up with. Just a minute.

[Joe Johnson]

Because you know what? If, you know, if you notice something about me, Joe, I don't really do anything. I'm not good. Yeah. You ever noticed that? You'll hear me talking about a bunch of stuff. I accentuate, I highlight what I'm actually good at.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. Hey, that's unfortunate.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, boy, look here, asshole mama. I'm good. I'm great at that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm good. I'm good at it. I'm Good at everything, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah. One and two. Now, I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Everybody know. Everybody know. Hey, look at the song. Hey, you, did you see Joe's list? Adina Howard was on there. A freak like me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you know about.

[Joe Johnson]

Go back and look at your list. Why Adina Howard on there?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Adina Howard got good music now, huh? We can't sleep on the Dina now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, boy. Boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She want. Hey, she wanted the first. Why? Hey, wide open.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. What time is it? I just said what time it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, but I.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I'm saying? But I ain't like that no more. I'm. I'm. I'm like, oh, I done got saved.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Here he go. Here he go now. He. He poured mouth and shotgun.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, but y' all mama, she the baddest brick in the pile that my grandpa said, boy, that's. That's that right there. That's the baddest brick in the pile. Hey, when them old people say that joke.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. You got you one.

[Joe Johnson]

See, they call them fox, but they ain't calling no step. They call them fox. A good looking woman, nice looking woman back then was called a fox.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A fox. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Anybody. Anybody from the. That's my age, maybe a little from the South. That's what they called him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you remember Mom? You remember Mom Mabley?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pig Meat Markham.

[Joe Johnson]

What about her?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The comedy. The comedy back. Back then some. The way they used to talk back then, uncle and Joe. And as opposed to the way they talk now, like the slang, Boy, it completely different.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, lingo didn't change, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

But Ivon it. But here's the thing. That's to communicate. That's how they communicated with one another when he wasn't around. It's just like, you ever notice when you go to a salon and they. They might speak Korean or they might speak Taiwanese or Chinese.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

When they don't want you to hear what they're saying, they speak.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And then when they don't care about what you hear saying, they talk into English. Fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

So blacks had to find a way to communicate without him knowing what he was talking about. So that's our. That's our slang. So we talk like that. Hey, now we just adopted it and kept it going. We keep. We keep it going. But the Germans and the Dutch, the Netherlands Germans, the Memphis Grizzlies, are trading John Moran to the Portland Trailblazer for Jeremy Grant and Chris Murray. John, 26, played only 79 games in the last three season because of off court issues and injuries since his second consecutive All Star appearance in 2023. He joined the young Blazer Blazer team fresh off of his first playoff appearance since 2021. Headlined by Denny yeah him.

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[Joe Johnson]

I hate to say it, but I

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[Chad Ochocinco]

It's the rage bait.

[Joe Johnson]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Joe Johnson]

I be Joe. You like that? Is my mic out?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I hear you. Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Do you like Ja going to Portland?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, for me, when you think about it, no team carries four point guards, so you got Morant, Dame, Holiday, and School. I thought school Henderson showed a lot of growth and maturity in his game throughout the postseason, especially in that series against the Spurs. I know they only won one game, but hell, he played a pivotal role in winning that game too. In San Antonio. Them first two games he looked like he. You might have had something in Portland. And then after that he was kind of, you know, non existent. But I thought he showed flashes that, you know, you'll still continue to take chances on the young man because I think he got potential to be pretty damn good, honestly. But with bringing Ja over there, you got to be thinking that you're going to get rid of one of these guys at least because I'm saying one, you probably gonna carry three, because hey,

[Joe Johnson]

they two gonna start. And what can Scoop play? The point.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We need some insurance.

[Joe Johnson]

Holidays.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We need some insurance. We need some insurance. Ocho, meaning maybe Scoop come off the bench, School Henderson come off the bench. Maybe you deal Holiday because he probably has value and can go play for a championship contender team, you know, but man, the. The biggest thing is y' all gonna have to learn how to play without that ball. Uncle Ocho, you got to. You got he. You're gonna have to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I mean, but Dame, I don't have no problem playing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I understand that. Dame don't.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Dame is a great catch and shoot guy. He can play off the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I think they gonna take turns. But hell, it's gonna be a lot of times I want to see Ja hit that lane, go catch a lob. Hell, hey, hey, hey. I think he can play off the ball as well. Meaning being cerebral as far as cutting to the basket with his elite athleticism, bro, he just can't be a statue when Dame over there running pick and roll or something. You know, you gotta be able to mix it up a little bit, you know, be able to cut in there, get you some layups, get you some floaters, catch a couple lives. Gotta get that three ball percentage up. You know, we. We can say what we want, but shooting 20 something from the damn 39 days as a point guard ain't gonna cut it. Ain't gonna cut it, bro. You know, you gotta get in the lab. I'm talking about. Should be in there right now tonight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, like y. Yes. Like last year.

[Erin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. Hey, Uncle Joe.

[Erin Andrews]

I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm happy. I'm happy he's gone. Obviously, you know, my. My. I was. Wanted him, you know, down here in Miami. I think as far as leaving Memphis and having a reset, a mental reset and having a change of scenery, obviously I don't think Miami would have been the right place for Jaw even with the infrastructure that the. The Heat have, as far as, you know, discipline and being able to watch over their players and those inside that organization always knowing where their players are at all times. I think Portland is a good place. It's a good place. It's. It's not. It's not too fast. It's a good city. And for him to have a restart fast at all. Yeah, hey, for him to have a restart on his career, I think he's in a good place and he's around some good people. Obviously Dane being. Being in the game for a very long time is someone that can. He can take up on his wing and you know, show, you know, so young boy the ropes on. On how to conduct himself with this fresh start that he's having. So I mean, I'm excited for John. I'm excited to see, you know, what he does. He put up a post on his Instagrams about, you know, those that have counted him out, you know, so I'm curious to see. I'm curious to see the bounce Back.

[Joe Johnson]

Me too. Yeah, I, I, hopefully he gets it. Look, if you was around me and I got in trouble, you can't go to Portland.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hello? Hello?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm just keeping it real with yo Joe. At any point in time. Yeah, you damn sure ain't going with me. You the one that had the damn IG live on when I had the stick out. Yeah, you definitely can't go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I remember that. You know what's hard, though?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no,

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, I know what you're gonna say. It's very hard to let certain people in your entourage go, because the first thing they start saying is, oh, you change. Oh, you ain't.

[Joe Johnson]

I did. You're supposed to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hold up. What we just talked about yesterday. Assets and liabilities, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on, man. Come on, come on. Hey, hey, hey, hey. You gotta understand, Uncle Ocho, the man that missed out, he already missed out on down to 200 something million dollars. You know what I'm saying? You think I'm finna let. No, boy. I probably go to Portland by myself.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Ocho. Now you just, you just left Memphis. You going to Portland. You mess right around. Guess where your next stop be something? South Carolina. Where you from? You gotta realize these teams don't need you. Yeah, they're a billion dollar entities. They're a billion dollar entity with five guys off the street.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, but look, I tell y' all one thing. I'm happy for him. That black and red gonna look nice on him. Them black and red jaws gonna look good. He's still gonna have top three, you know, five shoe out. Look, man, hey, you get a whole nother chance, bro. You get, you gotta lock in, swing. You gotta lock in, get to it. You gotta show them, boy, what they missing, man. Hey, hey, we've been missing. Hey, look, he ain't got to shoot the gun, throw the grenades and all that, but I want, yeah, I like to see him active. I like to see him going. You know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, rit. You too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Pops, you. We gotta get right, baby.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, T. You too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gotta get right. Gotta give me right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. You know what? The NBA basketball needs, y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't need him, but basketball still need ja.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That, that, that job that's having fun. That job that's playing above the rim, you know, that, that, that job that's entertaining and polarizing. That job that's putting no butts in the seats, giving people a reason to come watch watch games. We need that job back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, and when you look at it.

[Joe Johnson]

And he can be that, but he needs to be that. He needs to be off the court so that care is on the court.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Court, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Because his. His life, his world got chaotic off the court.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And he couldn't do two things at once, and it affected his play on the court.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He's not. Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody looking at y' all the last three years, even though he only played 79 games and say that's the job they remember from four or five years ago.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Let's be all the way real. Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody having that discussion. That's why I was so think about what he went for at one point in time. Job was people talking about job like he's a. He was a top 10 player.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Hey, hey, he was a guy, man. He took those challenges playing against Kyrie and Dame, you know, playing against some of the top point guards back then. Steph Curry, you know, he always held his own. You know, I mean, but I think we all seen this coming because they got rid of all the veteran help, bro. You know, all the guys.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you know, when they traded Desmond Bain and they. And they traded Triple J, you know, he's next.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And Brooks, he traded. I mean, you trade. You trade your dogs.

[Joe Johnson]

They let Brooks walk. And Brooks says, I'm happy to walk because y' all told me I was the fourth best option. I can never show. Yeah, I like, I can play defense. But hey, don't get upset when I shoot the ball one time and everybody else doesn't shot it 15 times. And y' all look at y' all sign, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

So.

[Joe Johnson]

But y' all got me guarding kd. Y' all got me guarding Jason Tatum, Y' all got me guarding LeBron. Y' all got me chasing Steph. Damn, Curry. But when I take one shot, y' all looking all crazy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So it was a no brainer for him to leave and go to Houston, somebody that valued a defensive player, but now he looking at everybody else. They're like, hold on. He shoot 25 times. He shoot 20 times. I shoot five times. Y' all looking at me like I'm crazy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, man, I. I just want to see. I want to see. The young man had different body. Lane. Body language don't lie, Uncle Ocho. You know, you. You can tell when a guy out there really enjoying himself, having fun. He loving the game. You know, maybe he is going through something that's off the court. But hell, once you get on the Court, bro. All that's supposed to. You know what I mean? Like, you're supposed to be able to lock in to where you just. You block out all that for the next two hours and you tap. You know what I mean? So I just want to see him get back to having fun, man, because you right, Ocho, he is great for the game. The game needs him. And listen, you get a chance to play with another elite guard. Him and Dame. Yeah, they may be a little small back there, but, man, you gotta switch your game up now because. Yep, you gonna get the handle of rock. You gonna get to run pick and roll, you're gonna be able to playmate, but at the same time, you gotta be able to play off the ball. And defensively, because of that long, wiry frame that he has, I think he can be a solid defender, bro. He just has to want to. You know what I mean? Like, he gotta be able. Yeah, he gotta be able to affect the game more than just like giving you points. You feel me? Like, he one of them guys who probably gonna have to change his game a little bit.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, Joe, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Defense is all about want you. I see when they put a lot on the guy's plate, when you ask a guy to do a ton, it's hard for him to exert that kind of effort offensively and defensive. Run the offense, go give us 25 points a night, rebound and facilitate. You're asking a guy to do a do. To do. That's why you have other guys. You see Shay, they say, shay, we need you to score. Hey, you give us five, six rebounds, we'll take it. You give us four, five, three, four, five assists, we'll take that too. But I tell you what, Lou Dort, Chet Wallace, Caruso, Joe, y' all better defend at an elite level.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You understand, you got roles every. What business. If you go look at any business, they got a CEO, they got a president, a vp, a coo, a cfo. You got. You got manager, you got a regional manager, you got a branch manager, you got cashiers, you got guards, you got. Everybody got a role. The problem that you run into when somebody is a branch manager, thinking he the regional manager and they think he's a CFO or the coo, the vp, the president. Whoa, whoa. No, no, no, no. We hired you. We got those jobs, those spots. Yeah, but this is. This is. He gets a new lease on life. Hey, that's behind him.

[Tab Ramos]

Move on.

[Joe Johnson]

They didn't. I don't believe they wanted. They. I don't believe they wanted to get rid of jobs, but he became more problem than what he was working. Had he been healthy. Giving you 30 a night, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. We could. We can put up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, y', all. What is it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Production.

[Joe Johnson]

What? When production is here, tolerance is up here. Production can't be here in tolerance up here. That ain't gonna work. I don't give a damn who you are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Oh, yeah, you're gonna be good.

[Joe Johnson]

Production didn't match the tolerance that he was asking from him. And we understand that. It's not. It's not. No, they didn't dislike jaw and everything. They're just like, bro, it's always something with you. First of all, you're doing this crazy stuff off the court, and you hurt. And you hurt. You hear the stories about James Harden, man, James hard a Vegas, he apart. James Harden getting you 35 a night. James Harden gives you 51 triple doubles. You see the difference?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

LT. Hey, he was. Well, you go out there and win three Defensive Player of the Year, you win MVP as a defensive player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You can sleep in the meetings.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you were crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you could. Hey, man, Giant Stadium look lit up. I wonder what's going on. Damn. We got a game. Tell y' all the story how he. He running a. He running late for the plane. He pull up the valet, flip the guy the keys. Hey, pick me up Sunday night at such and such a time. He got some stories for you, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Bill. Hey, Bill. Hey, Bill. Got the best stories on lt, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. Because Bill was the DC Ocho. You're right. Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. As he told some of those stories, man. Just, you know, in. In private setting. I don't know if public settings. But what. Lt was a while. Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

You go to the hall and you get lt. Because he normally. Him and Ricky Jack. Him and Ricky Jackson are really, really cool.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And, man, they get. They get to tell the stories. Oh, man. I'm like, lord, have mercy. LT.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh.

[Joe Johnson]

Because as a matter of fact, Ricky Jacket. LT came out the same year. All them came out to say in 81 draft. LT Singletary, Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Ken Easley, all of them came out in the same. All the same guys came out the same. Came out in that 81 draft. Oh, JoJo. So he and Ricky Jack are really, really cool, but bad. That joker there, boy, he was a hit. Boy, look here. I hate. I wish LT could have played in this era. Yeah. So people could see how. Because you.

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[Joe Johnson]

When you. We think you See Aaron Donald, you see J.J. watt, you see Miles Garrett, he's all of them wrapped in one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he wouldn't have been able to play. He would have been suspended. Hey, Joe boy, he. Man, he ain't play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Protect who? Protect what? Quarterback. Yeah, okay. Nah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, he the lt Chop. LT was taking the ball. He's the only player. He's the. He's the most. When you talk about. He's the only player that made two position famous. He made the left tackle famous and he made the edge famous because you had to get somebody to block him and you had to find somebody like him. So the Michael Parsons, the T.J. watts, the Vaughn Millers, the DeMarcus Wares, all those guys, he did that. And so all these left tackles that you see the MC Williams and the Garrett Zimmermans and all those guys, he did that. He made two positions famous. And look how they get paid. Who make the most money, who made the most money on the offensive line? Left tackle. Who made the most money on the defensive line? The edge rusher.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Edge rusher. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, hey, look here. I can make a. He the greatest defensive player. I can make a case that he's the greatest player. He ain't getting out of the three. So whoever you think, if you like Joe, if you. Excuse me, if you like Tom, Jerry and lt, for me, those are the three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Now I can make a compelling case for all of them being number one. But when it comes to defensive players, not him.

[Tab Ramos]

Deal.

[Joe Johnson]

So that would. That would be the equivalent to somebody coming in, they win defensive rookie of the Year and Defensive player of the Year in the same draft and the same year. Remember now, the sack didn't become an official stat until 1982. Lt came in at 81. So prior to that, they really didn't keep stacks. Sacks. As a. Stating my business, though. Portland. So Joe Harris, Portland, they got Ja Dame, Lillard, Holiday School, Henderson and my cousin.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, look, they ain't really. If you really think about it, Osho, they really had to give up nothing. I like Jeremy Grant, don't get me wrong, you know, and I. I like the Chris Murray kid who's a shooter, but you really had to really tap into too much of your youth. Meaning like school, shading, sharp, who still has the potential to be.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know why they didn't play him though. Joe, we need to talk about that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think that Danny, the Danny Kid, uncle oo, who's an all star this past year, I think he surprised a lot of damn people. If you want me to keep it 100. So they got some good problems, I'll probably say, over there in Portland. But hey, just like Minnesota. I think Portland will be fun to watch. You know, obviously making the A seed. I don't. I mean, I don't know how good this is gonna make him. You know, you lose a guy like Jeremy Grant, man, he. He's a prototypical guy who you want in your team. You know, I think he could be a good piece, you know, for a good championship contender.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Team.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I just want to see Dame shoot the ball from 35, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm talking about act a fool with. It ain't a man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, I mean, it just so happened. Think about it. If there's no Steph Curry, he's the greatest shooter of all time. He just so happens to be in the same era as the guy that's the greatest shoot of all time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

In fact, I mean, if you think about. Look at all these guys that was in Tigers era. Vijay Singh was really good. Phil Mickelson is really good golfer. Ernie Ells is a really good golfer. They just happen to be playing when Tiger played.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I got a question, though.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said outside of Steph Curry, the greatest shooter is Damon Lillard. So where do we put Clay in that conversation?

[Joe Johnson]

He ain't better than Dame.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Not to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Not to me. I'm taking Dame. Look, because I think the thing is, because the way he can shoot off the dribble and the weight, the distance at which he can shoot it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Okay, I see what you're saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Only Steph Curry can ride with the distance, man. Did you see the shot he hit on? I mean, he's hitting buzzer beaters against Houston. Hit a buzzer beater.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, see?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Feet.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Johnson]

And to shoot the ball from where?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, real talk, Ocho, he like one of my favorite guys to watch, bro. I ain't gonna lie. Like, when it comes to guards, like, you know, he take his matchup serious. He take it personal. He compete at the highest level. But like, uncle, you know, he got. He shoots 20. I mean, he at least another seven to 10ft behind the three, you know, it's hard to guard guys like that. Listen, it ain't many guys who gonna pull up that deep. You got to be practicing that. Uncle Osho, that man practiced those shots for sure. You know what I mean? To be able to shoot him with confidence in the game them long, that one step, two steps across Half court and you letting it go. Come on, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Only two guys in the history of the game that you've had to pick up at half court. Steph Curry and Dame Lillard. Yeah, you let him see space if you want to from 30ft.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, remember, remember.

[Joe Johnson]

Do you remember that Saturday night game when Steph pulled up, they was down the whole night and he pulled up against OKC and he started.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, remember Damon Russ was going, yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

yeah, them used to be my favorite one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that, that's the game he, whatever shot he hit that, he had that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bye bye.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that, that was the one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I, I remember that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Over Paul Joy. Paul Joy. Cuz look, even watching the game, I'm like, damn man, it's three second. That man ain't even making no move yet. So if I was guarding him, I would have been like Paul George too. I'm like, hell man, we 40ft out the damn we.

[Joe Johnson]

Thank you. I ain't f to do nothing crazy, cuz I know he got handles can get by me. Hey, you want to. I hear bull drive around.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'mma let you three seconds on the clock. Oo you 40ft from the basket. I'm like, hell, I'm g stand that too. I don't think you see the damn clock and this man side step, you 40ft out. Cash money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, bro.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

it take a lot of confidence work, working confidence.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I mean that Joker, man, hey, you remember that? There was a couple of games like, man, he was going crazy like in the bubble. He dropped 50 something on, on the nuggets. I mean he got a 70 point game. I think he got that against.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, you know what, you know what made him cold blooded to me? Cause I remember when Kobe passed away and the first game the Lakers played, the tribute game was against Portland in, in la. Ocho, that man came in LA and showed his ass. Do you hear me, man?

[Joe Johnson]

He put on a 40 piece on him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I said that. I said, dame gotta be the most disrespectful mofo I know to come in. You know what I'm saying? But when you think about it, on Kobe's night, he would want it no other way. You know what I mean, Bro, he put on a performance, bro. I think, I think he had like 40 something. But he cut, he cut a rug on them boys at night.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he did. Meanwhile, Memphis has traded all three of his former franchise cornerstones. John Morant, Desmond Bain, Jaren Jackson Jr. Since being swept by OKC, then the the Thunder in the first round of 2025 playoffs. I think it was with a game three.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they was up that they had

[Joe Johnson]

a 20 something point lead in joggers ankle and they came all the way down and we know they weren't gonna win. It looked like they might have been able to win that game. I don't think for me they was going to win that series. But they would have won that game and then once that. But you know, hey, they started disassembling it piece by piece. You see Jasmine Bane go to Orlando. You see them send Triple J off to Utah accumulating picks. They probably got what seven first round picks now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But hey, I, I don't think, I don't think they really initially really wanted to get rid of Ja. I think but with the injury starting to pile up on them. Uncle Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, would you know why? He still has some pretty good value maybe we need to go and get off of. Maybe he need a fresh start and

[Joe Johnson]

he got two years left on that deal. What normally happens with two years left on the deal, Joe. Yeah, do it. Redo it. What, what, what, what, what that means. So he make. He got two years at 87 million. So that's 43 and a half. He 26. He ain't looking to go under 47 and a half. 30 or 43 and a half. He looking to go above that, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes sir.

[Joe Johnson]

So that means you're gonna have to pay what, 50, 55 minutes. Listen, he's like nah, I can't, I can't. A good conscience do that. Given your injury history and your behavior.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And this is why I say this is a great refreshing start for him. Because he still can get to that bag on Ocho. His ass just got to be available and he got to be ready to play period, point blank. You come out and show your butt this year, man. Hey, the next summer we'll be talking about jot and got, you know, xyz.

[Joe Johnson]

You got the bag? Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Revitalize this career out there. Importantly.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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