Nightcap Hour 3: Byron Scott QUESTIONS LeBron’s GREATNESS + Zion Williamson FINALLY OBSESSED With the PROCESS + Bill Simmons PREDICTS KD to ENTER HOF as a SUPERSONIC

Summary

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Nightcap (Hour 3) – August 11, 2026

Episode Title: Byron Scott QUESTIONS LeBron’s GREATNESS + Zion Williamson FINALLY OBSESSED With the PROCESS + Bill Simmons PREDICTS KD to ENTER HOF as a SUPERSONIC
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”) & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Notable Guests: ISO Joe Johnson, Scott (guest contributor)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on heated debates about legacies in the NBA, especially those of LeBron James and Kevin Durant, scrutinizing the standards by which "greatness" is measured. The panel further dissects Zion Williamson's potential pivot to greatness through obsession with the process—a lesson applicable across both sports and life. Other topics include football coaching jobs, the impact Tom Brady might have as a mentor, and fun, candid banter about old-school cars and even hypothetical fights among the hosts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Byron Scott and the LeBron James GOAT Debate

Timestamps: 02:35 – 13:53

• Scott questions LeBron’s “greatness” on the premise that the true legends rarely switch teams, invoking athletes like MJ and Kareem.
• Ochocinco’s fiery rebuttal: Points out that Kareem, Shaq, KD, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Patrick Ewing all moved. “I don’t care if he went to 20 teams, how good was he on those teams?” (03:32)
  • Notable Quote (Chad Ocho):

    “Every team he played for, they won a championship. Every team that he played for, he was an all NBA selection. How many guys can say, you know what? I’ve been on four different teams and I’ve been an all NBA selection on all of them.” [03:14]

• Discussion of player loyalty vs. organization loyalty:
  • “We expect loyalty from the players, but we don’t demand loyalty from the organization.” (04:36)
  • Teams “chase rings” just as much as players—nobody batters Miami or Philly for pursuing stars.
• Double standards and ring culture:
  • If Kobe had bounced around and won, “he’s still gonna be great.” (07:42)
  • Public wants LeBron to have a scandal: “You can’t be this perfect. Ain’t no way … We ain’t seen nothing.” (07:50)
  • “Ring culture” doesn’t hold up—if rings alone decide greatness, why isn’t Bill Russell universally the GOAT, or John Havlicek even in top player discussions? (13:12)
• Knocks on Pippen’s self-promotion:
  • “You had an opportunity to do something special … ain’t nobody looked at you the same since.” [11:27]

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2. The Realities of Greatness and Scrutiny

Timestamps: 13:53 – 16:34

• Criticism is constant for top athletes; even with perfection, LeBron is nitpicked.
  • “They always won’t find something wrong because of the person it is. … Because he’s a king, because he sits atop that mountain, everyone’s going to take shots at him.” (06:42, Scott)
• Historical perspective: Even in MJ’s early years, when he had no rings but Magic and Bird were loaded, people said he was “the goat.” (15:09)
• Team dynasties: Dominant runs like the old Celtics are likely unrepeatable. “You might not even see a repeat.” (16:20)

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3. Zion Williamson’s Obsession & Path to Greatness

Timestamps: 16:42 – 26:12, 33:14–34:16 (throughout episode)

• Joe Dumars’ advice to Zion:
  • “To be great at basketball, you have to be obsessed with it.” (17:11)
  • Panel notes that obsession, routine, and discipline—not just talent—distinguish the legends.
  • “You can’t casually become great in the league.” (17:33)
• Contract year motivation:
  • “See what it take to get you to be obsessed? Oh, it’s time to get paid.” (18:24, Scott)
  • Cautious optimism: “If that man come into the season in that shape, he’s gonna be unstoppable.” (18:49, Joe)
• Universal application:
  • “When you realize that you’re not the only one that have this dream, that’s what you gotta realize.” (25:24, Ocho)
  • “A very small percentage … is known as the 1%.” (26:12, Scott)

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4. Kevin Durant’s Hall of Fame Team: Seattle Supersonics?

Timestamps: 29:53 – 32:27

• Bill Simmons predicts KD enters the HOF as a Supersonic, not a Warrior.
  • “He loves Seattle. I would have loved playing there. But to honor the Sonics, I’m gonna be a Sonic.” (29:55, Ocho)
  • KD had individual success elsewhere, but “Seattle really gave him an opportunity and really, really, really trusted him with the franchise. … He has a special place in his heart.” (31:14, ISO Joe)

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5. Football Quick Hits & Q&A

Timestamps: 32:19 – 36:31

• Best defensive coordinator jobs: Rams DC Chris Shuler considered “like a kid in a candy store” with loaded personnel (33:05, Scott).
• Tom Brady’s expected mentorship for Mendoza: The hosts expect a big influence, but note different environments (Brady vs. Mendoza’s rookie situation). “The higher you pick, the greater the expectations.” (36:19, Ocho)
• Jerry Jones and Super Bowl urgency: “He talks about his mortality … He’s hoping to get a chip within the next two to three years. All in. Might as well. You can’t take it with him.” (36:40, Ocho)

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6. Fun Banter: Sade Music, Hypothetical Fights, and Old School Cars

Timestamps:

• Sade "Start, Cut, Bench": 37:12 – 43:00
• Fighting talk (“only one of us got experience in a real fight”): 43:45 – 48:11
• Old school car dreams & muscle car “wishlist”: 52:59 – 56:11

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• The Loyalty Double Standard

  “We expect loyalty from the players, but we don’t demand loyalty from the organization. The organization says … ‘We’re doing what’s in the best interest of the organization.’ A player does what’s in the best interest [of themselves].” — Chad Ochocinco [04:36]

• LeBron Scrutiny

  “You can’t be this perfect. Ain’t no way. … We ain’t seen nothing. You too perfect and we don’t like it.” — Chad Ochocinco [07:50]

• Zion’s Blueprint

  “But if you do get that prize, you still gotta stay locked in, man. You can’t exhale. … If he put the work in, when that man plays, Ocho, he gonna give you at least 26 [points].” — ISO Joe Johnson [18:33, 18:49]

• Defining Greatness

  “Name something that you achieve that you want less of, when you achieve greatness, like, nah, I don’t have enough. I don’t want that no more. I’m cool with that. … And it’s so monotonous. It’s so boring to be great.” — Chad Ochocinco [23:20]

• KD as a Sonic

  “He loves Seattle. … I’m gonna be a Sonic.” — Chad Ochocinco (paraphrasing Bill Simmons) [29:55]

• Hard Truth on the 1%

  “That’s the problem. That’s the difference, though—not too many people willing to put in the work to make those dreams come true. A very small percentage, and that small percentage is known as the 1%.” — Scott [26:12]

• Ongoing MJ vs. LeBron Debate

  “Michael Jordan is the goat.” — Listener submission, sparking another round of debate and laughs [43:41–43:57]

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Additional Highlights & Listener Q&A

• The crew fielded questions on football topics (defensive coordinator jobs, mentorship, Jerry Jones’ urgency, Titans’ season outlook), as well as “start, cut, bench” Sade songs, and birthday wishes.
• Fun, good-natured trash talk about hypothetical boxing matches among the crew, and affection for classic cars and bikes.

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Useful Timestamps for Key Segments

• LeBron GOAT Debate: 02:35 – 13:53
• Obsessed With the Process (Zion): 16:42 – 26:12
• KD’s Hall of Fame Discussion: 29:53 – 32:27
• NFL Q&A block: 32:19 – 36:31
• Classic Cars & Motorcycles talk: 52:59 – 56:38

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Tone & Style

The show maintains its classic unfiltered, brotherly banter and high-energy debate style, mixing incisive sports analysis with playful personal stories and brags. Shannon, Ocho, and crew keep it candid, passionate, and real throughout, engaging fans both in sports commentary and lively, relatable banter.

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This summary covers the essential basketball and football debates, key life lessons on greatness, and the trademark “Nightcap” chemistry—a must-hear for fans who want deep sports takes with a side of fun.

Transcript

[Chad Ochocinco]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

what happened, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all will have to let you answer this one first, Scott. On LeBron James being considered a goat. He says great players don't join multiple teams. Most of us judge lebron based on guys that just mentioned. I'll throw one more guy in there. Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He got traded from Milwaukee to la, right? So two teams his whole career, mj. Two teams, basically, you know, in the whole career. So when you're judging LeBron, you're looking at a guy of the greatest players of all time. And they. And what they did at those organizations, they basically never left.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on, man.

[Scott]

Huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, I don't know why they go at Bron so much. Maybe it's because he did lead the Lakers. Considering the fact that he could have went back there, he could have went back to LA Uncan Ocho, but come on, man. I don't know why he gets the scrutiny that he gets, you know, it's okay, man. He ain't got to be well.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, because right now they got a podcast and you beat him up right now, you'll get clicks and likes. You're going to get mentions now. He said the fact of the matter is that multiple teams, Multiple teams mean more than one. Back then, guys, it's kind of like in the NFL, guys couldn't move like they can now. Ocho, guys didn't. Couldn't move like they moved in basketball. So I guess Shaq couldn't be considered a great player. KD can't be considered a great player. LeBron, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Akeem Olajuwon, Patrick, come on, what are we doing, man? What are we doing? I don't care if he went to 20 teams, how good was he on those teams? Every team he played for, they won a championship. Every team that he played for, he was an all NBA selection. How many guys can say, you know what? I've been on four different teams and I've been an all NBA selection on all of them.

[Scott]

Probably.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Every team that I've played for, I've gone to an NBA Finals. Three of those four teams that I've been on, I've won an NBA Finals. I've won a Finals mvp.

[Commercial Announcer]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it would be great. You all. People always talk about players not being loyal, but hold on. And you said something very interesting. And I love B. Scott and B. Scott know this. Cause I used to work. We used to work out in the same gym when I was in la, and I see it. And we always mess up we end up talking for an hour and mess up our workout because we talking basketball, we talking football. But the fact of the matter is Milwaukee trader Kareem, where was the loyalty? Where was the loyalty? The Lakers trading Shack. Where was the loyalty? Orlando trading Shack. Where was the loyalty? We expect loyalty from the players, but we don't demand loyalty from the organization. The organization says I'm gonna do. We're doing what's in the best interest of the organization. A player does what's in the best interest. Oh, he running from time. He running. He chasing rings. What are the teams chasing? Why did my. Why did Miami. Why did Miami trade for Giannis? You don't think they're tracing rings?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Why did 76ers trade, trade for Jaylen Brown? You don't think they're chasing rings? What we doing here? If you in a sport, aren't you trying to. Aren't you trying to win said championship of your sport? I would. I would like to think so. Now, maybe everybody's not under that same. Everybody ain't trying to win. Everybody. Just because you're going to make X amount of dollars whether you win or lose. Okay, I get all that, but I just. I just don't get this. So not a man can't be. It would be great if guys could stay like the. The old, the old Celtics, you know. Although for the most part, those guys stayed there and Elgin Baylor stayed there and Jerry west stayed there and Gail. But it's not like that anymore, guys. Y' all know that. B. Scott, you know, in today's game, football ain't the same. Guys move. Baseball ain't the same. Baseball always that mean. Hell, they traded Bay Russell ain't nothing, you know, Frank Robinson. Frank Robinson got traded. Hell, he was an MVP in the league and trading went. Got another mvp. He and show hate on the two episode that. But I just don't get this. I just don't get it. I don't get it. Ocho, what chime in on.

[Scott]

I mean, listen, they always won't find something wrong because of the person it is. We've never seen anything happen like this before. We've never seen anything done like this before. Because he's a king, because he sits atop that mountain, everyone's going to take shots at him. The fact that he's still doing it today at 42 years old going into his 24 season, I just don't understand. Obviously, I don't know the ins and outs of basketball and have a great knowledge of it. The way you two do. But I do understand how great LeBron is. And because he's been great for so long and been consistent at what he does for so long, and they gonna find every little way to nitpick, nitpick at the way he's won, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Can I ask you a question, guys? Let's just say for the sake of argument, Kobe had to. Went to the. When Kobe asked for a trade, he goes to Chicago and win a championship. And then all of a sudden, after several years, he goes to another team and wins another championship. As he look, how's he viewed.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's still gonna be great.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I've never seen anything like this man over. If the man got into a skin. They want LeBron to be into a scandal so bad. That's what it is. They want because he. You can't be this perfect. Ain't no way. You ain't got no speeding ticket. Ain't nobody ever seen you in no salacious details. We ain't seen nothing. You. You too perfect and we don't like it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They gotta find a way to knock you down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Got to. Everybody is waiting. Not every. I shouldn't say everybody, but a lot of people are waiting. I told you. I knew it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, but it's good, though. It's good. It's good for LeBron. You know, all he needs is a little something to keep get him going. Uncle. Oo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, some people. Some people got a. Some people. My mom worked at a job. She worked at Nabisco for 34 years. My stepdad worked there for 36 years. How many people work at the same job forever? How many times. How many times you think people change jobs in their life? He didn't change jobs. He just changed teams. Wonder how we look at it. Y' all sound ridiculous. He's supposed to do what y' all want him to do. If Cleveland, If Cleveland was a better city and they could have. Look, I get it. I, I, I, I really do. If Cleveland had a general manager like a Bob Myers, if they had a guy like a Jerry west, if they had a general manager like a, A Jerry Krause, that could draft talent, could bring talent in, could draft and then could trade and get the right pieces, I don't think LeBron leaves Cleveland. He knew he couldn't win there. And we all. Y' all already said this man would have had all those points and no check and no rings. Y' all would've killed him even more. Now he got ring. Now he four and six. He went to the finals 10 times. He went 10 times, Michael. Six. And. Oh, well, damn, he played 15 years. What have happened the other nine years?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, if Bron didn't get out of Cleveland. Uncle Ocho.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ain't no way in hell he beat that Celtics team. Not. Not with kg. No Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. He had to get out of there, man. He had.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But. But don't nobody. But hold on. Oh, Joe. Did anybody beat up Kevin Garnett, the Ray Allen for going to Joan?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they said they should have left earlier. Hell, Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A lot of people that beat him up. Even my guy Chuck. Chuck. Why did Chuck leave Philly? Because he said he couldn't win a championship in Philly. So he went and joined and he tried to make it seem like Marlin. Them weren't good. Mardan Marley was a damn good defender. Was it all nb? Kevin Johnson? Hey, as a matter of fact, Kevin Johnson. Didn't Kevin Johnson have the. The NBA Finals when he took. He almost had him in the NBA Finals. He used to beat them. Yeah, yeah, they were a good team. Tom Chambers was a damn good player. Let's not make it seem like that. Spot got Scotty Pippen talking about he better than LeBron James because he got six rings. But you was never the best player, Scotty. You messed up. You had an opportunity to do something special. But when you wouldn't take your ass back in that game and Tony Cuckoo hit that shot and won the ball game, ain't nobody looked at you the same since everybody saw on national TV you actually quit on your team. You're a phenomenal player. You're a top 75. You're a top 50 player. You're not better than LeBron. You won't find one general manager you won't find, other than you and maybe Dennis Rodman that will say you're better than LeBron James. The only two players that will say you are better than LeBron James are yourself and Dennis Rodman. Ask the other 50, all 50 NBA players if they think you better than LeBron. At what? Defense. You're not a better scorer. You're not a better rebounder. You're not a better facility, a facilitator. You don't shoot the ball better than he did. You couldn't drive the ball better than he could. So I'm trying to figure out, other than play defense, what could you do better? I gotta stop this man. Come on now. The man ain't perfect. The man is not perfect. And I'm not going to sit here and tell nobody. LeBron James is perfect. He's not. He's made some missteps, but this is getting outrageous here. This man said would ask who's great. I have six rings. Do you want individual accolades or championships? I want them both.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When people ask me, Joe, people ask me all the time, would you rather win the super bowl or the hall of Fame? I said, I'm glad I ain't got to make that choice. Hell, I take my jacket off and throw the rings on top of it. But they gotta stop this, man. But see that ring culture again. He got six rings and LeBron has four. He actually thinks he's better. It's gonna. So under that scenario, the greatest basketball players all time is who, Ocho, Bill Russell. He has 11.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How many times have you ever heard somebody say Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player ever?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, you ain't really heard it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He got 11 rings. He has. I mean, Sam. I think Sam Jones. I think Sam has 10. Havlicek has 8. Havoc is 8. No, nobody ain't said have a check. The best player, they don't even mention have a check. When they mention small forwards, don't nobody mention John Havlicek duty. They talk about Larry Bird. They talk about Kevin Durant. They talk about LeBron James, Dominique Wilkins, Elgin Baylor. They talk about when last time you heard somebody mention John Havlicek. He ain't no damn. And he got some finals MVPs on top. Yeah, Ocho.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They need to stop, man. This. This is getting.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It ain't gonna stop, though. It's gonna. It's gonna continue as long as he's playing Uncle Ocho. Yeah, he gonna always catch criticism regardless.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But who is he hurting, though? Damn.

[Scott]

Oh, they dial up. Hey, why don't. Hey, until he get right, why don't they mention those other. Why don't they mention, you know, the best. The best ever with those that won the most rings, since they always want to use rings as they reasoning. Man, I don't mention Bill Russell because

[ISO Joe Johnson]

it's because MJ came in and made the game sexy. Ocho, you know, he. He ain't got the most championships. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He ain't got the most championships.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But when you talking about, like, defying gravity and. And changing the way that we view NBA basketball.

[Scott]

Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Jordan led that charge, bro. Him. Dr. J was before him. And then Jordan came. Yeah, he changed it.

[Commercial Announcer]

He.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He changed it. And the game has been. It's been in great hands ever since, bro. He took it to A whole nother level.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But even when they. Even when Michael Jordan had no rings and Magic and Bird had all the rings, they said he was the goat. So they were saying that and he had no rings. Magic had five before he won any. Bird had three before he won any. And they said Michael was a better player. All Those Celtics had 11, 10, nine. Sam Jones, Casey Jones, Tom Heinson, Mr. Russell, John Havlicek. All those guys. Bob Cousy. Bob cousy got like 7, 8. Rays.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, Celtics rich in history when it comes to winning. Ocho.

[Scott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They used to never lose no damn championship. How you think they be? As a matter of fact, they won like eight championships in a row. Yeah, we lost to the St. Louis Hawks and then wiped the table with everybody else. From then on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We ain't gonna see that ever again. No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No teams.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Teams running the table like that. Hell no.

[Scott]

Eight straight. Eight straight. No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hell no. You might not, Joe. You might not even see a. A repeat.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Think about it. It's been a decade since you saw a repeat with the, The. The Warriors.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's been a decade.

[Scott]

Before the warriors, it was the Lakers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh? Yes, man. No, the Heat.

[Scott]

Oh, that's right. 2012.

[Chad Ochocinco]

2012, 112, 13. Then the Lakers 9, 10. And then the Lakers 3 peated, and then the Bulls 3 peed. And then the Bulls 3 peated. And in between the 3 peat was the Rockets 2 peat, back to back. But I don't. I don't get this. Zion. Oh, Joe Dumars told Zion Williamson to be great at basketball, you have to be obsessed with it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Per.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What? Well, they heard that word obsessed and about to be great at something. Ain't that what we talk about all the time?

[Scott]

Yeah, it's the only way to be great at something.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But why would they give us credit when we say how many times we done said this, Ocho?

[Scott]

Yeah, over and over. You got to be obsessed with it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But okay, you can't casually become great in the league. What I've seen from him this summer is he's obsessed with the work he's putting in. And this is really encouraging for me to. That he's putting in this type of work.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's all we've been saying. Hey, hey.

[Scott]

I got a question for you, Unc and Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, what's that?

[Scott]

This work he putting in, is this a contract year?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't. Is it really on?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's ash. I think he's eligible to sign an extension this summer.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you mean next summer? When next summer come?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He's trying to get there. He trying to get that 300 done. You see what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

All them. All the NBA will do it for you.

[Scott]

You see what I mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Commercial Announcer]

See what?

[Scott]

You see what it take to get you to be obsessed? Oh, it's time to get paid. Okay, now I'm a lock in a

[Chad Ochocinco]

commitment, a singular focus.

[Commercial Announcer]

But.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But hey, hey, but if you do get that prize, you still gotta stay locked in, man. You can't exhale. That's all we've been talking about with Zion, man, if he put the work in. Cause I'm telling y', all, man, when that man plays Ocho, he gonna give you at least 26.

[Scott]

Yeah, every time.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And that's a guy who ain't even really in tip top shape. Now from that picture that we seen a couple weeks ago, man, if that man look anything like that coming into the season, he's able to sustain that on August 21st.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

I want the vengeance. No one does action movies. We got a problem on the sh. Like Jason Statham.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

he gonna be unstoppable bro. I'm telling you. Unstoppable.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's el oh Joe, Joe. He was eligible this offseason for but there been no movement you wouldn't do. Why would you they Said we see. Hey, they say we holl at us next year, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You, you ain't show. You ain't showed me that you was worthy of that. So. Okay, come out here and show me something. This season, your boy, we're back to spring.

[Scott]

Struck up now he got to prove himself.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he gonna do that, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And the little bit of greatness that I had, I know what I did. I can imagine what A Tiger Woods, a Michael Jordan, a Serena Williams, a LeBron James, a Tom Brady, a Peyton Manning, I can just imagine. I can just imagine. A Denzel Washington, a Tom Hanks, a Samuel L. Jackson, a Viola Davis, a Meryl Streep. I can just imagine. There's an obsession. You're obsessed with this. It's hard when you have name something that you achieve that you want less of, when you achieve greatness, like, nah, I don't have enough. I don't want that no more. I'm cool with that. That does. And it's so monotonous. It's so boring to be great. Cause guess what? I'm doing the same. Joe Johnson, taking his ass in the gym and shooting a thousand damn shots every single day. And no matter how he does it, I don't care if he gets somebody throwing the ball. I don't care if he go chasing his damn self. He's still shooting a thousand boring assays. And Serena hitting that ball, forehand, backhand, forehand, backhand, slice, add court four, all that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, until you develop a routine, bro. Yeah, I'm talking about. And stick to it. I ain't talking about, do it on the days that you feel like it. I'm talking about on them damn days you don't feel like it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what you get.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay? Ocho, I've been telling my son, man, since he was 8, 9 years old, hey, bro, you gotta develop a routine. Gotta have a routine. You gotta have something that you do on a day to day basis, regardless of how the hell you feel, you gotta get it done, bro. And if that's that, getting up shots, working on your handle, you trying to become a better player. Cause there's too many guys out here who hungry, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When you realize that you're not the only one that have this dream, that's what you gotta realize. I don't care what your dream is. Somebody else got that same dream, man. Ocho, I could have been a little kid in dream like, man, I want to fly the damn space shuttle. There are five other people that would got that same damn dream. Want to fly the space shuttle, man, stop dreaming my dream, damn it. You weren't even thinking about no space shuttle until I started dreaming about it. Basketball, baseball, whatever the case may be. CEO, entrepreneur. Oh, somebody. What are you doing? Because the only thing. The only thing that come to sleepers are dreams. You got to get up and make it work.

[Scott]

And that's the problem. That's the difference, though not too many people willing to put in the work to make those dreams come true. A very small percentage, and that small percentage is known as the 1%.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because everybody want to dream, but they don't want to put their heart down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, the Bible teaches, go ahead if you want.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

If you want the game to come easy. I don't care what sports you playing. Hey, man, your. Your workout regimen. It's got to be harder than damn games.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bible tell us you can't enter the kingdom of heaven unless you die. Everybody wants to go to heaven. Don't nobody want to die. Everybody want to be successful. Everybody want to be wealthy. Ain't nobody trying to do no damn work. That's why the lottery. What does the lottery require? Draw. Go in there, drop $2, drop $3, drop $5 down. Boom. That's it. What if I told you if you work really, really hard, what if I told you you work really, really hard? You could be have 200 million, you could have 300 million. Man, I ain't really trying to work. Do you know how many times people have told me, I ain't trying to work that hard?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't trying to eat like that, Okay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, you. You see, when I was talking about my teammates, TD said, man, I was looking around. I see it, okay? That's what greatness look like. Then I found out what to do. I ain't really trying to be that great. It ain't that complicated. They right. I had my stuff stacked. I had my little chicken breasts, I had rice, I had green beans. I had broccoli. That's all I had. And I had water. That's it. Don't come over my house. Think you gonna eat. You gonna eat tater chips and cookies and oatmeal. Oatmeal pies. And you're not. You're not. You're getting water.

[Scott]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, this food bland, okay? It worked for me, man. I think I pictured myself, man, this. This steak, this ribeye, man, these rios. That's why I pictured in my mind, I wasn't going back to Glenville. That was not an option for me. Zion, boy, you Got so much ability. You got so much God given ability and. But I, I, I love what, you know what I love. I love when, when, when athletes that have won, that have accomplished or been his great transcendent, historically great. Joe Dumars is a Hall of Famer. Joe Dumars is a finals mvp. Knows what it takes to get there. I think he went to Magnee State. I think that's where Joe went.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't even know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It ain't, it ain't, but it ain't. It ain't that complicated. You go to. If you play a professional sports and you go to the restaurant Ocho and Joe, there are two things on the menu. Wins and losses. That's all I serve it. Oh, cloth shake at my restaurant. That's all I serve. Joe, how the hell the fresh dubs as you get hotel or you get a fresh dub. Well, that's all I got for you. That's it. Bill Simmons thinks Kevin Durant goes into the hall of Fame. He'll be wearing a Supersonics jersey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And why you think that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think he'd do the Supersonics. That's the move. Yeah. It's like he loves Seattle. I would have loved playing there. But the honor of the Sonics. I'm going to be a Sonic. What you thinking Joe?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Do you think because of all the success that OKC has, has had

[Chad Ochocinco]

since he left.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Do you think this plays a role in that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Probably. I mean he had, I mean we did go to three championships with the Heat. I mean, excuse me, with the Warriors. He won two there. He didn't have the level of success, a team success. He would enjoy success as an individual in, in Brooklyn. Didn't have this level of success, individual success. He would went to the All Star Game. He's all NBA selection at the, at the Superstar, at the, at the Sons. And now he's in Houston. Yeah, I think, I think okc. I think OKC or the Supersonic, I think. I don't, I don't see him going in as a Warrior, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, he ain't gonna go in as a Warrior. But I think you know him being the number two pick, number two pick that year behind Greg Oden.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And Seattle. Really giving him an opportunity and really, really, really trusting him with the franchise. I think he really, you know, he has a special place in his heart.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can see that, Joe. I can definitely see that. Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

To go in to go to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dang. Ain't like they got a whole lot of, a lot of all superstars. I mean, you know, hall of Fame,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

outside of Gary Payton, Sean Kemp, gp.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, gp. But GP went in the hall of Fame. He's as a supersonic. But what you call him. Rain man didn't go in the Hall. Did Is. Is Gus Williams is the wizard in the hall. I don't know Dennis Johnson, but most people probably remember DJ from the Celtics, Wally Walker, Jack Sigma, Marvin Webster.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But downtown Freddie Brown.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Are they supposed to be bringing that Seattle. They supposed to be bringing the team back to Seattle.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes. Yep. All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Vet Tran Vetran, 97. Would you guys agree, Rams DC Chris Shuler has the best job right now?

[Scott]

Yeah, absolutely.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What?

[Scott]

Matter of fact, not only the best job. Think about how easy his job's going to be based on the personnel that he has. Secondary on point, you got Trent McDuffie leading the way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You got Jayla, Jayla Watson, you got Watson over there. Remember, they got both of the corners from Kansas City.

[Scott]

You got. You got Miles Gary, you got Aaron Donald, who's trying to get himself back in the. In the. In the playing shape. And the only way to do that is to play football. So. Man, he. Man, he. Mr. Shula is like a kid in the candy store.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You hear me?

[Scott]

All you gotta do is just put your. Put your pieces in the right position.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Texas ain't that bad job either.

[Scott]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And what you call it? Vic Fangio in Philly, he got nice little set up. Also, how much input do y' all think Brady will have with Mendoza's development?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I would think he would have, you know, quite a bit of say so. Uncle Ocho, considering the fact that, hell, he played the. Come on, man, what we talking about? He played the position at the highest level, so I'm sure it's something that he can pass down to young fellow man to help him, you know, with his early start. So how can he not.

[Scott]

I know one thing. Tom having a voice that he. That. That he has his voice. Also, with the experience that Tom had planned as long as he played and the success that he also had, he has to also remember that the situation Mendoza is in is a little different than when he. When he got his opportunity to play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. He didn't have the expectations that.

[Scott]

That too. And the supporting cast over there in Las Vegas, a little different than it was in New England. Again, that's why I'm glad he's going to have this season to sit out so they can. So they can continue to put those pieces around Mendoza offensively, so they. Hey, dog, it's going to be tough, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And he didn't have a first year head coach. Go ahead, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't say nothing. Go. Hell.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I was going to say he. And this is not. You know, Coach Belichick had been a

[Scott]

coach before for a long time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

This is not his first rodeo.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think the difference is, is that when you're the first overall pick, there's a different level of expectation than when you're the six. When you're the 192nd pick. No, he was 199. He's 199. 199. I was 192. 199. I think that's, that's, that's. That's a little. That's a little bit different.

[Commercial Announcer]

Ojo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And the expectation, Nobody expected Tom Brady to come in and do what he did. For him to do that is an unbelievable feat. That's what I'm saying. You look at a guy like a Peyton Manning to come in and be the first overall pick and to have the level of success that he have most. Drew Brees was a second round pick. It's. Man, the. The higher you pick, the greater the expectations are in any sport. Football, basketball, soccer, draft, whatever the case may be. Ojo. You know that, Joe. The higher you're selected, the more expectations, the more is expected of you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's like it's in the family, what they expect. They expect more of the first born than anything, don't they? They put all that on his shoulders. All that on their shoulders.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's just the way it is. Young dog. Young Don Corleone.

[Commercial Announcer]

Tv.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think Jerry knows he won't be able to play everybody. He talks about his mortality. He's hoping to get a chip within the next two to three years. All in. Might as well. You can't take it with him.

[Scott]

That is true.

[Chad Ochocinco]

At least. Hey, at least be on that stage one. One more time and have Roger Goodell hand that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, you know, if he can't do nothing else, you know he want to do that. Yeah. On his. On his. On his dime. His watch and hey, hey to where he talking out to every damn game. He want to leave. He want to be the catalyst, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y' all already know how. Jerry, get down, man. Stop playing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Oh, okay. Nightcap. Fam. Start. Cut. Bench. Sade Edition. Is it a crime your love is

[ISO Joe Johnson]

king no ordinary love, no ordinary love.

[Scott]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Your love is king for me I'm starting Y' all already know I'm starting

[ISO Joe Johnson]

no ordinary love it dies, it jumps,

[Chad Ochocinco]

it ripples like the deepest ocean I can't give you more than that Surely you want me back. Is it a crime I'm starting Damn. No ordinary love I'm a bench, I'm a cut your love is key I'm

[Scott]

starting nowhere no ordinary love

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

21st not worth vengeance no one does action movies. You got a problem on the ship like Jason Statham?

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Get with this or you can get with that?

[Commercial Announcer]

How about this? Dupixent is not a steroid. It proactively treats EoE so you can

[Chad Ochocinco]

get ahead of it.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

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[Commercial Announcer]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm.

[Scott]

I'm benching. What was the one you started? Un.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I've started. Is it a crime?

[Scott]

I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you benching that one?

[Scott]

I'm starting. I'm benching. Is it a crime? And then you know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you cut. You cutting. No ordinary love.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He said he's starting that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, You. You bitching. Your love is king.

[Scott]

No, I'm benching.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, you cutting. Your love is king. So you start gnawing their love. You benching. Is it a crime? You're cutting. Your love is king. Absolutely, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you got? No ordinary love. And then I'm benching. Your love is king.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you cutting into the crime.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm cutting. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I gotta cut it. Gotta cut it. You need to cut it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dives and jumps like the deepest ocean. I can't give you more than that. Surely you want me back. You pull that hair back there, that ponytail. Now, if you put Jezebel up there. I believe. Jezebel Wasn't born gold standard 8:42. Michael Jordan is the goat.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Is that a question or is that a fact?

[Scott]

I think that's a statement. It's gonna be a never ending argument for years to come.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Never. Antwan Jackson, 2237. Uncle. The real boxing match. Who you putting your money on? Ocho or King ISO? Keep it real. Love the show.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on, come on.

[Scott]

Only one of us got experience in a real fight.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, man, nobody trying to hear la. Oh, come on.

[Scott]

Got experience.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Be a smart man. Be a smart man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If I. Oh, Joe. Joseph and Jose got the skill. Hey, I don't care about all that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, don't bet against me, bro.

[Scott]

Hey, hey, Joe, I didn't make you pay. Real fighters.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He going from parody to phone booth parrot.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Phone booth. His ass out of there. Ain't gonna be too much pairing and phone booth. Hell, his ass gonna be out of there. That canvas.

[Scott]

Hey, listen, whoever asked that question. Damn, Whoever asked that question, they know who got the background in combat sports, huh? There's only one. There's only one person on the show crazy enough to get in the ring with every boxer at any boxing. Don't care who it is just cause

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't getting the ring. What that mean?

[Scott]

It mean I'm whoop your ass. That's what it means.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Scott]

The hell you mean what it means? What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Scott]

You a regular civilian when it comes to me in the ring. What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn, Joey, first off, you don't know how I train. You don't know what I got going.

[Scott]

Joe, I don't care nothing about that hot. That hot poga and all that stuff

[ISO Joe Johnson]

you be doing, man.

[Scott]

Nothing about that hot poker boy. Hey. Froze up again. That dial up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He laughed too damn hard. Don't worry.

[Scott]

Damn. All right, well, Joe, it just me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I hear you now.

[Scott]

There you go. There you go. There you go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But yeah, it's gonna be quick, fast and in a hurry.

[Scott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Don't even worry about it.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Jojo. Joe, that's what she said too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, okay. All right.

[Scott]

That's what she said.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, well, ungo, he gone, man. Hey, nightcap. Appreciate y', all, bro. You know, I mean, Okay. I have a surprise over there. You feel me? You know what I'm talking about?

[Scott]

Oh, yeah, We. We didn't got. We Didn't. We didn't got through the show. We got the show.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, we won't be. We won't be back here.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Yeah.

[Scott]

You not gonna put him on blast, huh? Where you at?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, don't do them like that.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sorry, ISO and Ash, but y'. All. The only way y' all gonna see the Cowboys in the super bowl is break out the vcr.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You gotta chill. You gotta chill.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, I said that dark boy in 1461 said that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Whoever said he got a chill?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, break out the. Break out. Break out the. What you call them? Mocho Joe.

[Scott]

Hey, that's Joe, not me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Joe, you gotta. I mean, Joe. I mean, I don't know what to tell you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wait till the season start. Don't worry.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Kevin Liggins Jr. 5136, best podcast on YouTube. Never disappoints. Keep doing great work, fellas. Thank you, Kev. Appreciate that. Hakeem. Ja is only right we get bingles. Cowboy Super Bowl.

[Scott]

They definitely don't want that, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Boy, I'm really gonna fight you. That happened. I'm talking about boy. I'm putting hands on you. Oh, who you?

[Scott]

Hey, Joe. But matter of fact, if you touch me, boy, you won't have no more hands. You hear me? I cut. Hey, Joe. Joe gonna be a. Joe won't come on the show just straight limbs. You ain't gonna be able to shoot the ball no more. Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm really. I'm really being cool with you, but you really can't see me. For real, for real, for real.

[Scott]

Like, no, no, no. All side, Joe. Like, Oh, I know. I know you six, eight, six, nine. Whatever it may be. But, like, if I was pissed off and got mad and I. I call it when I get mad. It's called controlled rage. Yeah, I beat your ass.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I still whoop your ass. I don't care how mad you get. Here you can be. Hey, I don't care if you get mad and tears come out your damn eye. You still get an ass whooping, Ocho.

[Scott]

Yo, it's not happening.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You probably one of them dudes. When you get mad, you start crying. Tears start coming down your eye. Man, I don't mean that. Don't mean nothing.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, you give something cry about Joe.

[Scott]

All right, all right. Matter of fact, you know what? When I come to Atlanta Wednesday, how about we fight before you train me for basketball?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Say less.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Say less. Boy, I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait for you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You was hoping he say that on Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I was Hoping he say something like that.

[Scott]

You know what he gonna do? He gonna do like he did last time I was in Atlanta. He ain't gonna pick up the phone.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah. Joe say he gonna come pick you up. He gonna say he gonna come pick you up, beat your ass and put you in the car, then drive you to go work out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shannon PO5125 RIP Don Nelson ISO what do you remember playing against them? Don Nelson, Coach.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Don Nelson used to have some whip. I'm talking about. He had a bunch of guys. He. He probably was the first one un ojo to really come out with that small ball. He was playing. He was playing guys who wasn't power forwards and centers. Hell, they were small forwards. You know, you got guys like Steven Jackson and them. You know what I mean? Like, he was playing them dudes at the 4 and 5 at that time. Byron Baron Davis playing that small ball, creating mismatches throughout the whole entire game. Hell, a whole entire series. Now, Don Nelson was a truth, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was true, man. I was watching some highlights of B.D.

[Scott]

davis.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hold on, hold on.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, B.D.

[Scott]

was nice, boy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, I'm telling y'. All. Listen, in the early 2000s, bro, I used to spend a lot of time in la. Cause my boy Janeiro Parko, who's the assistant coach for the Pacers, he used to play for the Lakers. This one. Kobe and Shaq was on the Lakers then when they was like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, man. Hey. Different

[Chad Ochocinco]

like that. King Payne 21. If the Cowboys don't pay, don't pay. It's okay. Pickers to be the Ravens Love Zay, but a wide receiver like Pickens would be excited. With Lamar and Henry, Bingo's finished third.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they just paid. They.

[Scott]

Hey, I told you. I told you. But no, I ain't gonna say it. I'm just. I'm gonna let them.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you gonna say, man?

[Scott]

None. None. None. None. Nah, I'm. Nah. Hey, Reading, boys. That's what I was gonna say.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Mighty 8803. Can I get a birthday shout out? I'll be 38 on 8. 11. Absolutely. Happy, happy early birthday today the 11th. Ain't it the day? The 11th. It's already 11th, bro. Happy birthday. 38. Got two more years. Sell a brig. You better hit. Hit the big four zero, bro. But congratulations on seeing another day around. Another. Another year around the sun.

[Commercial Announcer]

Another.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Got a lot to be thankful for. A lot to be thankful for. Do you ever find it interesting that Lamar and Jalen always face the most Criticism. They could walk on water. People say they. They didn't run. Yeah, they do. I mean, especially for a guy. Especially for a guy that's won a Super Bowl. I can see, you know, Okay. I can see like, okay. Lamar has two suit. Has two MVPs, went to the AFC championship. Didn't get it done. But Jalen hurts. Got a Super Bowl. Ocho, he got a Super bowl mvp. He's been to two. You could make a cave that. He outplayed my homeboy in both of them. I don't know. Look, but I tell you what. Lamar Jackson won the Super Bowl. If I'm Lamar, I ain't talking to the media for a whole year.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, don't act like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all forced me to.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Get your money, man. Get your money.

[Scott]

That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man. Don't believe in second chances. You messed me up once. What time? He threw. No, no, no, no, no. I believe in second chances. It's the. It's the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh chances that I'm done with. It all depends on what you do. To me, That's. Oh, don't believe in no second chances. Ocho, the one to talk about, man. Hey, that's just one. That's just one less expense.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I like.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, damn.

[Scott]

Hey, listen. Hey. Once it happened one time, it's gonna happen again.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, that ain't necessarily true.

[Scott]

It's true. Trust me, it's true.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man, this man here,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

mo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No sports. Laugh my ass off. Ash done book okay? Close. Kim Montgomery. Didn't know you was in the cars like that. My family got all The Mopars. The 68 Barracuda, 65 Belvedere. You can look it up. My pop. Ken Montgomery. Triple nickel to some. And the car camera stuff dragged, man. Look, Richard Petticoat. Those. Those Mopar, those big engines, those Hemi, those Cooters. I forgot about the. The Road Runner. Remember the Road Runner. That had to be. It actually beat the big orange car. The vitamin. It was called vitamin C orange at the time. But, man, I can just imagine. What. What, what? Petty got the Super B. We had that big hot spoil on the back. Joe. I know you seen one. That Super B.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We need to get an old school, Joe. We need to go to old school.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man. I said this. Now, I think it was sometime last year, but y' all weren't rolling with it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ojo, let's get us old school.

[Scott]

I'm thinking about. Listen, I want me another. Don't, man. Now that you mentioned it, what you want?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I Don't want. No, don't. I don't know, man. We ought to go to the SEMA auto show.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you, oh, yeah. You talking about you want to spend some of that big money you won't get you. Yeah, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I mean, I mean, I don't think like, I think somewhere like a hundred. We get something for like 150.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you get something good run good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I want that old. Put me downside the damn road.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I want me a. I mean, I,

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I do a resto mod.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I want a drop top Chevelle, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you want? 50. 454.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I want 70.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Kyle, induction. 19. 70.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I want 71.

[Chad Ochocinco]

71. Okay. What you gonna get? You gonna. The blue with the rally stripes, you gonna get black, all black. What you gonna get?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm gonna get. I want a white one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Have navy guns.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, no, I'm having bloody red in there. That bloody, bloody red.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He wanted that ketchup. He wanted to ketchup guns.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you know.

[Scott]

You know, I'm getting, I'm getting. You know, I love bikes, obviously. I got a Yamaha R7, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And I always, always wanted a Harley bagger. You know what a bagger is?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, the bag.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Scott]

So I got a Harley bagger being made out there at Powerhouse Custom Cycles. It's all the way in San Francisco.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Scott]

Yeah, I'm doing a Harley biker. All black. All black. All black and chrome with a 34 inch front. Front tire. Come on, I'm enjoying. Enjoy myself.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's just a crew. Cause you're just gonna be sitting.

[Scott]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just cruising, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Just cruising.

[Scott]

Just cruising.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, you got, you got to. What the Hammers were.

[Scott]

No, not too high. Just, Just right here, eye level. Right here, eye level.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you got.

[Scott]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got the bullhorns.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Some people want it to happen. Some wish it would happen to others. Make it happen. You're exactly right. I'm a doer. What are the expectations for the Titans this year, Cam? War to improve. He got weapons now. The defense is always going to be solid. Tennessee's always had a pretty, A fairly good defense. Simmons, led by Jeffrey Simmons. But offensively I think they're going to be better. I think Wandell Robinson with Cornell, Tate, they're going to be okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What they win, what they win by 3, 4 games last year?

[Scott]

Yeah, the Titans, yeah, they had flashes. They didn't win very, very many games, but Ken Ward had flashes, though. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That completes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank you guys for joining us again. We greatly greatly appreciate that. We know you could have your choice of podcast that you could be watching but you told chose to tune in and spend some time with your favorite UNC nephews. So we greatly greatly appreciate that. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc. My partner and co host Liberty City is on Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, a former Pro Bowler and an All Pro. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the other co host. Y' all know him, seven time NBA All Star University of Arkansas. Love Mr. Clutch himself. The smooth shooting two guard from the Atlanta Hawks that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by La Portier, head over to laportiercognac.com to purchase yours if it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. It is a premium VSOP Cognac, the best tasting, smoothest VSOP Cognac on the market. But don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself and you'll see. Chez by La Portier is the best tasting, smoothest VSOP Cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Again, thank you guys for joining us. We're off the next two days, but we're back at you.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Football baby. Football.

[Commercial Announcer]

Thursday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ram.

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