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Liberty City Zone
Hey, O. Joe.
Joe Johnson
Yeah, talk to me.
Liberty City Zone
Hey. Hey, Jerry. The one in that damn goyard bag, did he. He spit.
Chad Johnson
He spitted it. Hey, listen. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Liberty City Zone
I like Big Quinny Williams, man. You know, here recently, I heard him talk about how he wanted to help Dak Prescott and CD Lamb and the guys get to a Super Bowl. So listen, now that Dallas is really invested in you. They didn't get that investment. Now, hey, look, big fella been doing his thing since we got him UNC in the trade last year. Second half, our run defense was pretty good. Now our secondary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we need some work, but we, we. We didn't pick that up too. But I'm just saying, I. I like this. And I honestly think. I honestly think CD Going. I mean, not CD But Pickens gonna get taken care of. Too. Y' all know Jerry like the bells and whistles, man. You know, he like to do stuff right before the season about to kick off.
Chad Johnson
You know why CD saying this Ocho, he noticed that he know where this thing going. He noticed a thing going north of 45 million. You let this thing, Jerry, you let this thing play out, you might be looking at $50 million.
Joe Johnson
Absolutely.
Chad Johnson
Is that. And plus Dak, you think Dax hit. But that goes back said that he rubbing his head like Birdman. Hey, hey, hey. So, so this was CD tried to get CDs trying to get ahead of this.
Joe Johnson
I think the owners know. Jerry knows it's certain players. You know what you, you try to, you try to bet against your own players. This is, this is what they're doing. They did this with Jamar Chase as well, Uncle Joe. They told Chase, you know what? We want to see if you can do it again. Basically. So Chase, you got. They bet against you. Now in this instance, franchising, franchising, franchising. Them in general is telling you, listen, we value you, but we don't value enough to give you a long term deal. So we betting against you to see if you can do what you did last year. Can you repeat it again? CD knows, CD knows. He going to be able to repeat that again. I think people are underestimating how good George Pickens is because they worry about all the stuff and that, that happened in Pittsburgh. I know, I know better. And I understand, you know, I understand what CD is saying. But if somebody going to take a pay cut. Is somebody going to take a pay cut, you know, in order to give George Pickens what his, what his true value is based on what he's able to do? No, probably not. And I love CD No J.
Chad Johnson
Go need to take a cut.
Joe Johnson
I love.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, I love Stephen or Charlotte and
Joe Johnson
I love that CD Lamb is advocating, you know, for Pick getting his money, man. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's tremendous. Showing that he's a team player as well. But, but he's deserving. Everyone else has gotten paid. Everyone else has gotten paid as far as top receivers concerned, their true value. And it's time for Pick
Chad Johnson
because you got to realize oo, when he did this, the, the franchise tag, now you already got another guy that's over 40 million. You got JSN over 40 million. You got Chase over 40 million.
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Chad Johnson
Coming up, 40 plus million. So now that franchise tag, that was 28 million. And plus, you got to give him what 100. And I think you got to give him 120% of what the franchise tag was last year. So with that being said, now you had 34, 35 million. And that's hard cap money. The, the thing, what you want is to get some relief. You want as this thing moves out. You wanted the cap to increase. I mean, yeah, the cap hit to hurt you, but. But the first couple of years, Ocho, you like, hey, we ain't paid him up. But minimum money, we signed him. Hey, we don't gave him, you know, 30, 40 million. That signing guaranteed him another, you know, $60 million. So whatever the case may be. But CD sees what's happening on the horizon. Unlike CD he's navigating Jerry. I don't know, Jerry might be asleep at the wheel, but CD Is driving the Titanic. He see that big ass iceberg that happens to be George Pickens having a phenomenal year. And, and it's going to cost Jerry somewhere between 45 and damn near $50 million. He said, Jerry, you better hurry up. Cause the last thing you want this man to do, to have a comparable season last year become another All Pro. And I promise you, he is not taking no franchise. He is not coming in. David Mugal Mulaguetta will not allow him to play on another franchise. He said, I'm gonna do it this year. You gave me your word that you wanna get this thing done. Hey, I understand I needed to build up credibility with you based on my prior history, but. But I would have gone a whole two years and I really only had a little minor slip up, minor blip. But you know what I can do? You see it firsthand on the practice field. You see I cooked every DB in practice that y' all throwing in front of me. Now, I'm gonna do the same thing again this season. But Jerry, the longer you wait, yesterday's
Joe Johnson
price ain't today's price. He picked Pickets, one of them ones. Man, he's so unpredictable on the field. You never know what he's gonna do when he get the ball in his hands. He makes unbelievable, tremendous catches. I mean his, I mean his range, man, as a receiver, whether it's short, intermediate or deep balls, man, he makes it happen. So it's the fact that they have two number one Joe over there in Dallas. Their offense is going to be unbelievable and must see TV week in and week out. As long as that defense shows up to the party, y' all gonna be straight. Boy, I'm telling you.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, man, listen, I think we got A really great chance. I know y' all tired of hearing this. It's all cliche. The Cowboys fan, they got that. Hey, listen, we don't say it, then we gotta.
Chad Johnson
Hey, hey, we got a real chance.
Liberty City Zone
Listen, the boy gonna have some five behind them, you know what I mean? Pink gonna come up, he gonna have another hell of a year. And as long as we winning, Jerry gonna spin it. Y' all already knew it.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, okay. It cost more because you know what I'm saying, we all look back at. Man, I should have bought Apple when that thing was trading at 100 a year, man, I should have bought Netflix. I remember Netflix was trading at $2 a share. Man, I should have bought in Nvidia. I should have bought. Man, if I'd have just got Google. I remember Google was supposed to open up at 85 a share. It opened up at 110, 115. Man, if I had to just let we all look back and say what we should have done. Yeah, Jerry, go look back. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, Joe, he gonna wait till the off season and he gonna look back and it's gonna cost him. Just like he calls Chase. He could have got chased for probably about, probably about 36 million. Cause what you call. We could have got a million million, 5 more than what Jeddah was making at the time. But instead he tacked on another 16, 20 million to the contract.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, when you think about it, seriously. Yeah, you know, like I tell you, Jerry, like the bells and whistles. Y' all don't think he'll get this. He'll get this done right before the season about to crank up. You know how he do week one because he wanted all about the Cowboys.
Chad Johnson
I don't think he can do it. I mean, because you think about what the, the, what he's paid. I mean, and, and Jerry, I will say this. He's spending some money. You look at that offensive line booker, and, and, and the other guy that he played paid the money to. He got seat. Dak. That's the thing. You win the Super Bowl, Dak gonna get damn near 500 million. He gonna get a Patrick. My own contract.
Joe Johnson
Absolutely. Hey, no, no, hey, no.
Chad Johnson
And now you gotta, now you got a 70 million dollar quarterback, a 45 to 48 million dollar receiver. Hey, CD said, yeah, Jerry, go ahead. Because what you do is that when you, when, when, when pick, pulling, pick going up the mountain, he dragging CD right behind it. CD had 34 million. He dragging CD damn near close to phony.
Joe Johnson
Yeah, Absolutely.
Liberty City Zone
It's a good problem to have.
Chad Johnson
CD Think he's slick. I see what you're doing, CD Cuz. Y' all know CD Slick. Now, y' all saw him on draft night. Old girl don't call the cameras on him, she gonna be able to look at that phone like Denzel said, without man grabbing you. Get hands off me.
Joe Johnson
Hey, but. But you. You also. You have to. You have to understand the nature of the business now. You have to understand these owners, you know? Now, Joe, as much as you love a pick, you know, to. To. To get his money, you have to understand how these owners went, how these owners operate in general. What are my chances? What are my chances? There's a small window of opportunity that the Cowboys have to actually make hay and make way and try to compete for that Lombardi Trophy. And owners always think we want to pay as little as possible while having that chance to do so. Sure, we want to pay as little as possible.
Chad Johnson
That's just simple business.
Joe Johnson
Yeah, that's the way they think.
Chad Johnson
We talk about restaurants, what they do. Now, you don't ask for ketchup. They don't put nothing in the bag. You don't ask for salt, they don't put nothing in the bag. Excuse me, that does go to overhead. That goes towards overhead. Man, what the hell you talking about, Joe? Y'. All. Because what we found out, y' all was just throwing away them sauces. Y' all was throwing away them ketchups. Oh, hell no. Hey, so that's. And I understand business, you know, hey, you. You.
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You know, you want to treat everybody. You know, you want to treat everybody fairly. That's the one thing. Because when people work hard, you want to show them that you really appreciate them for their hard work and the effort that they're putting in. And so you want to make sure you're fairly compensating them. But, Jerry, like, you know what? Hey. Ooh, damn. I can't pay everybody. But you. You gotta. You gotta. You gotta have about five or six core guys that's eating up the majority of you, and then you got it. Because if that get. What if they have the season that, Joe, that you think they're gonna have, it's gonna cost you $70 million.
Liberty City Zone
Well, the thing is, you hope that.
Chad Johnson
That. That.
Liberty City Zone
That some of them young guys, them young draft picks, you hope that they overperform. You know what I mean?
Chad Johnson
To.
Liberty City Zone
To. To help the situation. Because, yeah, when. When you got. When you got a lot of money tied up in Just a few guys, man. Some of them other guys got to over deliver.
Chad Johnson
Oo, yeah, you know what? Oo, you know what? You know what? J Probably thinking he's hoping Floy shine, cuz remember last year Floy showed up towards the last five or six games. So now he's looking at, well, hey, Flannoy, I can save me X amount having played the game. You know how they think. This is how they think, Joe. The same way they do in the NBA. That young player like, hold on, he ain't playing with 22 minutes. He giving us 13, 14 points in those 22. Now we bump that up to 30. 32.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Huh. Now this guy going, he gonna walk 45, 50 mil. I can get him for 20.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Oh, the 20.
Joe Johnson
Hey, every, every time, every time
Chad Johnson
I don't see it. I, I, hey, I've seen it too many times to get the young guys like you said, Joe. You want them to perform and all of a sudden the guy goes out there this high ticket, this high ticket item you like, hold on. Just like anything. How much is that? How much is this? And this does the same, Pretty much the same thing as that. Oh, okay. But I, I just. If Pig has the type of season that we know that everybody that's on this conversation that we're having knows that he can have. Hey, I don't see how you get him for less than 40.
Joe Johnson
It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough. And the fact I know, hey, Joe. And everybody in the chat that's watching, I know picking going to have that kind of season because of the quarterback he has thrown to him.
Chad Johnson
There we go.
Joe Johnson
People want to talk trash about Dak and all this and he won a playoff game and all, man. Forget what you talking about. I'm just talking about the, the instance and, and, and Pick being able to get his money based on his quarterback play. He f to get that boy to rock.
Liberty City Zone
Speaking into existence, Ojo should I hope so.
Joe Johnson
I mean, it's going to, it's going to happen regardless. It's just going to happen. Just, man, they are that good. CD is that good. He is that good. There are a few players. There are a handful of players, Joe. There are a handful of players on every team. You got one, two, sometimes you got three that you just don't have to worry about. And they make everybody else's job around them easy because their ceiling is that high and they're that goddamn good at their specific position. Yeah, George Pickett is one of those. Ceedee Lamb is one of those.
Chad Johnson
He just need to get out of Pittsburgh and run his course. That's it. Yeah, run his course. You know, Mike. Mike T. Is about winning and you tolerate. And, you know, and all of a sudden, the more. The longer you tolerate something, the worse the behavior. Because there are very few times that we have corrective behavior, corrective tendencies in our own behavior. Something has to. A lesson has to be, you know, something has to happen for a lesson to be learned. And it took George Pickens being moved, and people like, hold on. He probably said about like, Damn, man, I'm 24, 25 years old, and I'm the best receiver we got. And they say, like. Like, they cool getting on now. I will say this now, when the Steelers get fed up, they will absolutely. But once they get fed up, Plex San Antonio, homes. Hey, hey, when they. But they do. They do the. They do the best job of drafting receivers of any. If nobody drafts a position like the Pittsburgh Steelers draft wide receivers. I defy you to find somebody to say they draft a position like the Steelers. When you look at from Plexico to San Antonio, homes, to AB To Emmanuel Sanders, Mike Wallace, I think Cincinnati might
Joe Johnson
be close in comparison to receivers coming in.
Chad Johnson
George Pickens.
Joe Johnson
Yes.
Chad Johnson
You look at. You look at who the Steelers have drafted from. I mean, go back to coach Kyle with Hines Ward and Yancey Thigpen and all those guys, and come on up, you know, you know, Big P, you play again.
Joe Johnson
I'm just saying, you, you, you jogging my memory with some of the names.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We are against him when we was at, uh, Pittsburgh, and then he ended up going to Tennessee. But no, I. I just think the thing is, is that I just want pig to have that year because I want the man to get paid. He's, you know, he's. Look, Jerry. Jerry tolerate a lot. Jerry ain't make no big deal. Now, see what the thing is. Now, he didn't make no big deal live. But when it come negotiating time now, now, you know, you missed a couple of those meetings. You know, you was a couple late for a couple of those. You ain't say nothing. Then when I went out there, when I went out there and dropped Sam for a buck 44, two touchdown, you was over there patting me on the back. Now I'm in here trying to get my money. You gonna talk about. Well, you know. Yeah, I know. And you know what I'm capable to
Liberty City Zone
do what Jerry say, hey, hey, just leave your agent out of this. Me and you needed that.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So I can. So I can finish.
Joe Johnson
He would love that part, Joe. You hear me?
Liberty City Zone
Hey.
Joe Johnson
Leaving the agent out. Oh, no, don't. Don't never do that. No, sir.
Chad Johnson
Nah, I.
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Chad Johnson
If they leave. If they leave, they leave Nicole in, out. They don't leave Todd France out.
Joe Johnson
Come on now, huh?
Chad Johnson
When they leave? When they gonna leave them out? Nah, bro, I gotta have him. That's what I hired him for. Yeah, I. I ain't no guy.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Could I say, could I save me a couple of million dollars? Nah, I rather. I just rather go ahead and make sure. All my eyes dotted, all my T's crossed. I don't have to give no money back.
Liberty City Zone
I.
Chad Johnson
You say, can't say. I double dip and none of that foolishness like that. I want all I want everything I'm supposed to get. And he can protect all my blind spots. Like, nah, this ain't. This ain't a good deal. And. But the a. I'm happy. I'm happy for CD. I'm happy that. Not CDs. I'm happy for CD as well, but I'm happy for George Pickens because he seemed to have found a home. He seems to have something to play for.
Liberty City Zone
He, he, he, he.
Chad Johnson
This is the George Pickett that I saw at Georgia. This is the guy that I saw at Georgia. Now, the reason why he went in the second round was some of the characteristics that we saw in Pittsburgh Ocho because he had first round talent. Ain't no question about it.
Liberty City Zone
All you got to do is put.
Chad Johnson
We ain't fitting to sit here and pretend like George Pickens are for real. Second round pick. You a lie. You lying to me?
Joe Johnson
Absolutely not a lie.
Chad Johnson
And the truth ain't in you. Ain't nowhere around you either.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, hey. All you gotta do is put it in the damn area. You hear me?
Joe Johnson
That's it.
Liberty City Zone
That young man coming up with the
Chad Johnson
ball, bro, on August 21st. What's your plan? I want vengeance. No one does action movies. You got a problem on the ship like Jason Statham, well, you'll need all the help you can get.
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Chad Johnson
But I think the thing plus and CD was like, man, I know what y' all tried to. Y' all say, well, A, and he X and I'm Y and this the Nah, ain't no controversy between us.
Joe Johnson
Not at all.
Chad Johnson
Hey, if I'm late, he late. If he late, I'm late. We'll. We'll package. We'll package. Deal. So you. Hey, you can't have one without the other. Do you agree with ISO? This is the Cowboys year. 64 says yes.
Liberty City Zone
Well, what we talking about?
Chad Johnson
Whatever finish up. 12 says yeah. Look at Ash, man. Look at Ashrat. So all we got is yes. We ain't got no no's, no nothing we got. 64 says yes. 12 says yes. 7% says yes. 16.
Liberty City Zone
Y' all know the Cowboys fan base. We travel and it's a lot of them in the damn chat tonight. Chat. What's happening.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, y' all ain't been going nowhere but to away game when last time y' all been to a playoff game, went on the road to the playoff game.
Liberty City Zone
I noticed how you continue to bring up old stuff when you talk about the Cowboy. Man, we moving forward.
Chad Johnson
You know what my grandma used to say, boy, stirring up old ish.
Liberty City Zone
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Chad Johnson
You right, Joe. You know what I'm saying, Joe? You right. Hey, that brought it up. But long as you know. Speaking of quitting Williams Cowboys EVP Steven Jones about Williams New Deal, he's a great player. One of the hardest practicing guys out there. Every time he lines up, you feel him. He doesn't take anything for granted. He doesn't say, hey, I got this. I'll let my play do the talking. You see it. He's the best player on the field whenever he's out there. And the other thing is the what a man he is. He's a leader. We didn't have a lot of leadership on defense the last couple of years to have him. Kenny Clark, Rashawn Garrett, I think it really picked up over there in terms of culture and leadership. Now, I don't know how you take. That's a shot to make a shot. You know what? Sound like he got a drum over there. He got a switch on joke.
Joe Johnson
He got a nice, nice little Tommy gun.
Liberty City Zone
Shots fired. Yeah, yeah, shots fired.
Joe Johnson
Him.
Chad Johnson
He fired that thing and somebody. Oh, now, you know what? That'd be awful presumptuous on me. And I don't like to be presumptuous, but it seemed like he said he's a leader. We didn't have a lot of leadership on the defense the last Couple of years to have him. Him. You was able to get him because what you gave up to Green Bay, because that was one of the first round picks. Kenny Clark. You got Kenny Clark in the trade for what you gave up Rashawn Gary. I think it really picked up over there in terms of culture. They put all that on my. They put all that on Sticks. Hey, they put all that on Mike. They said.
Liberty City Zone
You think it was just Michael. They put it on.
Joe Johnson
Nah, they can't. They can put it. Listen, hey, most of the time, you know, there's certain players that is just in them the lead. Then you have certain players that do they leading by example on the goddamn field. Everybody's not gonna conduct themselves in the way Stephen Jones sees Quinn and Williams. Everybody's not. Sticks was a great player. He was also very young too, you know, so seeing him as this vocal leader or one that leads by example, you know, in a lot. Maybe that's not him. Maybe he didn't want that responsibility. If this is pertaining to him and what he's saying. I'm just saying.
Chad Johnson
Let me ask you a question.
Joe Johnson
Take your time, too.
Chad Johnson
What's Dallas culture? Walk into the Ravens locker room, I bet you know what it is. Walking to Kansas City's locker room, I bet you know what it is. So the question I have, what's the culture?
Joe Johnson
What is their identity? Forget the culture. What's their identity? What has it been all these years? Has it ever been to anybody on the defensive side of the ball?
Health Advisor
Let's.
Joe Johnson
Let's start. Let's start there. Has it ever been their defense? At what point?
Chad Johnson
When they were the Super Bowls, you know, you had guys on there. You had time and you had a Haley, you had guys that could play, but they still was great as the defense was. They would have Michael, Emmett and Troy and that massive gargantuan offensive line, as great as that defense was. And they were great. Tolbert and Let and Maryland and Haley and Time and Woodson. They have phenomenal players over there.
Joe Johnson
Fact too. Hey, Joe. But I think, Unc, you probably remember, isn't Quinn and Williams the one that sneezed during the interview and blessed himself? And blessed himself.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Joe Johnson
You could hear the kind of player you getting. You already know the kind of player you getting.
Liberty City Zone
Great character.
Joe Johnson
Hey, he blamed. Hey, Joe. He sneezed and blessed himself.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, it's funny. Y' all gotta let that go. Y' all gotta let that go. Steve. I get it.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Micah. I know he rubbed y' all the wrong way. Because normally you guys get what you want. Normally from. From what? All indication, from what you've been reading, allegedly, when Jerry Jones has a handshake deal, when he called the guy in there and he said, we got a deal? We got a deal, right? You shake his hand. Jerry said, you shake his hand. Whatever. Whatever we agreed to. If I agreed to give you half of the Cowboys and you shook my hand, don't you come back and talk about you want all the Cowboys. So if you shook my head and said, this is the deal that we. We got a deal. That's how you look at it. And once. And once Jerry felt that Micah reneged, there was no going back. There was nothing he could do because he told him, you either play on this contract or you ain't playing at all. You try, you decide. Jerry one of them old school. The old school guys like that,
Liberty City Zone
I
Chad Johnson
don't know how they do. I can just speak for how we do things in the South, Joe.
Joe Johnson
The funny thing about it, hey, you
Chad Johnson
give a man your word, that's all you got. You gotta stand on that word.
Joe Johnson
Even with that word and handshake, you know, it was in the best interest of Jerry. It was convenient for Jerry. It wasn't in the best interest of the player, and it definitely wasn't convenient for him, especially with the numbers he was. Come on, man.
Liberty City Zone
Well, hold on, hold on. But. But let's say I'm Jerry. Me and Michael got a great relationship. He comes over to the ranch and hang out all the time.
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, they are never. They're never friends. That's. That's. That's all performative behavior.
Chad Johnson
Because. No, you know why? Because Jerry is always in an advantageous situation. Billionaires have billionaire friends. Listen what I said. I'm gonna say that again. We could never be friends ever. A crocodile and an antelope can never be friends. He's always in an advantageous situation. Cause he can eat me. How can I be friends with Jerry? He got the upper hand.
Joe Johnson
And they love to play the game, uncle. Hey,
Chad Johnson
let's be real with this. Let's be honest, Chad. Let's have a real conversation, Chad. Y' all know I ain't making this up. How can that man be friend? We can be friendly.
Joe Johnson
The difference.
Chad Johnson
There's a difference between an S and a nail. Why? Because, hey, guess what? You're still friends. Why? What? What, What? What's the term that we use? Situational.
Joe Johnson
Come on, now.
Chad Johnson
Positional.
Joe Johnson
Come on, now.
Chad Johnson
Look at the position you in. Look at the position I'm in.
Joe Johnson
Hey, you know, hey, hey, Joe. You want to know how an owner really feels about you, whether you're really friends or not, friendly or friends or not. You want to know how you, you really friends is when you are no longer of value to your team, when you're no longer valued, when you're off the payroll, when you're off the books, do they still treat you the same? Do they still treat you the same?
Chad Johnson
Nah. Now he got. Now that, now the guy that. I will say that he. That's not gonna make a son. Oh, Michael Irving.
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Chad Johnson
Oh, Michael.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Oh my
Liberty City Zone
God. Different relationship over there. Boy.
Chad Johnson
Hey, Very, very different.
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey. Very, very like that over there in Denver too though, huh?
Chad Johnson
We got new ownership.
Joe Johnson
Okay.
Chad Johnson
But prior to the new ownership and, and, and they don't. Don't get me wrong, the Walton Pinner family treat me great when I do go back when they invite us back. I was just out there did to sit down the Bronco reunion about the back to back Super Bowls, they were great. They were doing the facility. They gave us a tour, a slight tour of the facility and it was great to have us back. And the guys always, they always, they have a suite where the alumni get to come and they sit in the box and especially the guys that are there full time, but. So they're great. But Mr. B and I had a different relationship. I was only the second player that Mr. B drafted that went, that was in. I was the first to go in the hall of Fame at Water. Wit was drafted before me, but he went to the hall after me. So there was a, there's a. Obviously John was not drafted by the Broncos. He was traded from the Colts to the Broncos. But there ain't very many players that came that when Mr. B was there that had a relationship. John, I'd probably say John had the best relationship with him. But I was probably next in line. I was probably next month. There's no question about that. And even his, even his kids tell me that, what he thought of me and how he, you know, he spoke highly of me. I was the only one. I go in his office, I go in his office, steal his glasses. He come downstairs in the training room and where he would normally be sit, I'd be sitting in the chair with my feet up on the, on the table. Just like he'd have his feet up on the table.
Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah, Joey.
Chad Johnson
So we had, we had that type of relationship. But yeah, I think the thing is, look, if you hire an agent, if Joe, if I Own a team. Joe is his representation. Okay, I can have this back and forth with Joe. Okay, Joe, this is what we're offering. You know, Joe says, I want 15% of the cap or I want 20% of the cat. Whatever the case, however you guys do it. Joe. Okay, but if Joe has a representative, hey, I'm gonna have look at, hey, Joe, you. You still have the same representation. Cause who do we call? Because we like to. We like to start. Start negotiating. We like to start talking about something. That's the way you do it. I'm not trying. You don't try to go. You don't try to go behind somebody's back when you know they got representation. Ocho.
Joe Johnson
But you know why. You know why you going out. You. You're trying to get. But you're trying to take the easy route out because your agent is going to get what's best for you and a little bit more the owner going to undermine you and give you less. He's always trying to do what's in best interest for him and the team, which is never going to be
Health Advisor
in
Chad Johnson
your best interest ever.
Joe Johnson
Ever. But, hey, I like that one. I like that one. You brought that up too, about, you know, friends and friendly is two totally different things. But a wake up call for a lot of players is how those organizations and those owners treat you once you're no longer a value, once you're no longer an asset. How do they treat you now? And I just think about. For you, Unc, I knew for you and Denver's probably good, but the doors. When I go to Cincinnati. Joe. Yeah, boy. Hey, man, listen. Hey, yeah.
Chad Johnson
And the Ravens still treat me. Oh, yo, I was like you said, you'll give me a hard time if I only had a cup of coffee there. But for the two years I was there, they still treat me great.
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Chad Johnson
Anything. Anything. I asked for. If I need. Hey, I need a helmet or I need this or I need that. I need. Hey, I don't have no problem.
Joe Johnson
Hey, Joe. Cincinnati good to me, boy. I mean, the. The city and it's in the entire city, you know, for me for whatever to do what. What I was able to do during my time there. The. The Brown family, boy, Joe is like I'm one of their own. And maybe because I only go back every blue moon, I go to one game a season, Joe.
Chad Johnson
That's how I am.
Joe Johnson
It's not like I'm there all the time and they see me all the time. But, boy, when. When I do come, you talking about roll the red carpet out.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah. Hey, hey, hey.
Joe Johnson
You want to take us to a game? Yeah.
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Liberty City Zone
Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. They don't mind seeing you, but if you overstay your damn welcome, you know, it get. Yeah, you know, and I don't.
Chad Johnson
I don't call. If I call, Joe, if I call, I'm paying for the tickets. I don't want. Because the thing is, if I'm coming, I know they'll give me the tickets. But if I'm going. Want somebody else. No, no, no, I'm gonna pay for the tickets. That's. That's how I operate. I come. They're going to take. I know they're going to take care of me. Be at Baltimore, be at the Broncos. I already know that. But with that being said, I can't expect. Just because I was. Spent 12 years there. I spent two years there, and we won championships together. Hey, I. I need four tickets. I need two tickets. Yeah, but that's how they do. Hey, hey. Shot, man. Hey, man, let me get a case of laporte, right? I got partners. So what. What happens if I give you a case, and then one of my other partners, somebody, he gives somebody a case, the other partner gives somebody a case, and then somebody, another partner gives somebody a case? That's four cases. That's 24 bottles. They ain't standing there who know you,
Liberty City Zone
bro, they hitting you. They want some of that La Portelia.
Chad Johnson
They do bad. They do, man. I'm like, damn, bro, maybe I could get you a bottle. But damn.
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Liberty City Zone
He's trying to wholesale it over there. Hey, hey, Ocho. To kind of speak on what you was talking about, though. Yeah, man, Some of these owners, you right, I mean. I mean, you ain't gonna be their best damn friend now, but you gotta take advantage of the opportunities that's presented to you. Meaning while I'm under contract here and I have this opportunity, you never know what could come from there. But you're right, once you done and you ain't playing with that damn team, it ain't many owners who gonna pick up the phone for you. Still, I'm gonna keep it real out of me. Playing 17, 18 years, I probably had about three. Three of the owners, and I probably. If I called them right now, still to this day, you know, they. They will answer. But I ain't never. You know what I mean?
Chad Johnson
Like, you like.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah. Not unless I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really.
Joe Johnson
Matter of fact. Matter of fact, to give you an example, Joe, in Chat. If I fell on hard times right now, like all bull drivers have, if I was really effed up.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Joe Johnson
And really needed it. Well, you know, I could pick up the phone, but I could call Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown, listen, man, I messed up, you know, Whatever. Whatever. Whatever the situation might have been, hypothetically speaking, I need a little help to get myself on my feet. Yeah, man, Mr. Brown wouldn't hesitate, boy. Remember, I'm no longer of value to you. You've already paid me, what, millions of
Chad Johnson
dollars during my time for what I've done.
Joe Johnson
He wouldn't even bring all that up. What you need, Ocho?
Liberty City Zone
That's it.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. That's what I am when I call Ozzy boy, what you want? I said, what makes you think I want something? Because he said, that's the only time I hear from you.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
I said, I don't want. I just want to talk. I want to talk to my good friend. He said, what you take me for? But. No, that. But, look, you're right when you're there. But that's what I tell these guys, man. Just play hard. Just play hard. Stay out of trouble the best you can. And you'll never know when you need said individual. It might be for a job interview. It might be for a chair. It might be for a donation. It might be for something. You don't know what the future holds. Like I said, I had. Look, I didn't know. When you go to the hall of Fame, man, you know, you inviting people like, hey, when you start a mom, they give you two comps. I mean, basically. Basically what it is, is your brother gets to come, and he gets one, and then you get everybody else got. You got to pay for, you know, your kids, you know, your coaches, all them people. You got to pay for that, and you got to put them up. And so they get in there Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, You know, you got to pay for all that. That expensive. And the meal. The meal that you feed them, you got to pay that. That. That comes, man.
Liberty City Zone
Look,
Chad Johnson
Mr. Boland said, hey, send me 30 names. Thirty, man.
Liberty City Zone
Some people.
Chad Johnson
Some people about to get left out go get a chance to come. I'm gonna pay for all the people to be coming up there.
Joe Johnson
Hey. Hey, during that. Hey, during that, some of my team,
Chad Johnson
my college teammates got an opportunity to come. Hey, yeah, that's. It's. Hey, that's a. That's a. Like I said, I just. I just played hard. I didn't do it expecting that to be the case down the road. Ocho, I just played. That's all I knew how to do. That's just me. That's just me. That's just me.
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Joe Johnson
You can't. Don't. And you can't. And you can't. And Joe, what's that? Never burn. Never burn no bridges, boy.
Chad Johnson
Never burn a bridge.
Joe Johnson
You might have to never burn them bridges, bro. You don't know who know who especially, you know, later on on down the road. And you, you might. You never know what it is. It could be a job or opportunity and, you know, they a, you know, so and so play for you.
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Joe Johnson
Or what he trying to get, man. Yeah, he good. He good to go. You, man, dog. Joe, I'm telling you, especially that circle of people, you don't understand the reach they have, boy.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, hey. And as a player, the one thing that you know, you. You got to take advantage of the opportunity that you have right now as you playing. It's kind of. It's hard right now.
Chad Johnson
You. You'll never be this hard again.
Liberty City Zone
It's hard to do because you're so immersed into the game that you ain't really thinking about all that. But man, if you got a side hustle you want to do or something that you think you may want to get into, when you done playing that sport, man, it's no better time to do it than when you playing, bro. Because you got everything right there at your fingertips. And people want to work with you here.
Chad Johnson
Well, they say back then you didn't know it. Now I'm hot, you all on me. So when you hot, it'll be all on you. I get Chip Conway with the Broncos. When he first started in 93, Chip brought mail. Chip would put mail in the mail. Slots bring. Hey, children, let me put my bloggers. Because back then, the phones, you get messages. Somebody call you. They put who it was on the phone. Cause you could call. Hey, this is such and such. I'm calling for Ocho. What's your name? Oh, Amber. What's your phone number? They had all that wrote down. What time she called her name and her phone number. Hey, you guys walk by like, hold on, man. I just told her. I just told her that check the other day. She calling for him. Cause the slots right there, you got your name on it and the slot right there. Chip run the whole damn Broncos now.
Liberty City Zone
Damn.
Chad Johnson
They where they stand at the hotel when they fly.
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All that. He handles all that all the day to day operation Chip run. It started out in the mail room. Gotta enjoy what you do you just.
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Chad Johnson
I call. I pick up the phone, call him, Chip, I need. That is what I need. Got you. Call Flip in the train in equipment room. Got it. But like I said, you like. I'm like y'. All. I don't bother the people about that. I go about my business, man. Shop. I know you could get it. I'm saying to myself, you're right, I could. But I'm not.
Joe Johnson
They see me once a year when
Chad Johnson
I need a favor like Ocho. That's a favor. A favor like that, I gotta use that for me. Hello. You know what? One of them favorite favors like that, I gotta use that. I can't use that for you.
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Chad Johnson
Now, I might get you. I might get you one of them pink towels. I might get you. I might get you a salute to the service, Joe. I'm so happy to lie to you. I can get you something like that.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, I'm with you, but, man, you. Hold on.
Chad Johnson
Hey, man. Hey, let me get a PS2 jersey. I ain't got no PS2 jersey. Come on, now, man. Hey, man, you played for the Ravens, right? Yeah, I played for the Ravens. I was on the championship team. I thought. So, man, you. You cool with Lamar, bro? Lamar Jackson was in, like, second grade. He might have been. What grade was Lamar?
T-Mobile Representative
How old Lamar?
Chad Johnson
Lamar might be 28 now. 29.
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he. He was a baby, bro. He was a baby. Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Lamar was nine years old in 2000, which. Come on, man. Come on. What? Y'. All. Come on, man. Y'. All. Yeah. For some ridiculous. 29. So in 20. So 2000s. So he's about seven years, so. So he'll be 30 and 27. So. Man, that man was like seven, six. Seven years old. Come on, now. Hell, no. No, he about a three.
Joe Johnson
Lamar.
Chad Johnson
So Lamar was born in 97. Lamar was three.
Liberty City Zone
Damn.
Chad Johnson
No, I ain't got nothing for y'. All. We have some breaking news. Ocho Jackson dart on a third down run today. He slid.
Joe Johnson
What happened?
Chad Johnson
Not something. It's not likely something that he would have done in his rookie season when he was examined five different time for concussions. According to ESPN, it's the first time at 11 practices during training camp that Dart has slayed. That's a good thing, the slide in practice. Great thing with the reactions, specifically the Giants defense. Here's what Brian Branch had to say after the slide. Defense seemed to enjoy when the quarterback slid today. Yeah, we've been begging him to do
Liberty City Zone
that for a while now. So I was glad that.
Chad Johnson
I'm glad that he's starting to, you know, practice it.
Joe Johnson
Hey, that's. That's a good thing, huh? That's a good thing because too many times he played very reckless as a quarterback despite as exciting as he was to watch last year. Joe. Yeah, some of those injuries started to mount up. You know, those concussions. I'm. I'm glad he changed a little bit. I think it was a comment that he made where he said he wasn't going to change his style of play in. Somewhere, in a sense, something. Something like that. But his career, it would be cut short. It would be cut short. Especially playing at the NFL level with some of those. Some of those young bulls on defense. They. Not. If once you show that you're a runner, they gonna treat you as such. They're not treating you as a quarterback, bruh.
Chad Johnson
No, that's Brian Burns. That was Brian Burns. Not Brian Branch in Detroit. Detroit, yeah, that's Brian Burns. Ash giving me faulty information. She sabotaged me, y'.
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Chad Johnson
I'm looking up like Brian. Brad. No, Brian Burns.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah. Hey, nah. But. But Jackson dart. Hopefully he learned his lesson, fellas. You know, if he get down, he get down. Oh, he did. He'll be. He'll be able to stick around a little more.
Chad Johnson
Oh, yeah, they keep on knocking the Mario coins out of you.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, see, it's different. It's different when your teammates start advocating for you and talking about it. You know, it hit home a little bit, you know, I mean, so you're starting to listen, but
Chad Johnson
yeah, don't be tapping down. Don't type now. Hey, you don't get me. Got me talking about Brian Bradshit people. That is probably in the chat, in the comments killing me.
Joe Johnson
I'm like, hey, one. Hey, one thing. One thing about it, too, Uncle Joe.
Liberty City Zone
What was that?
Joe Johnson
The New York Giants. I'm not sure they've had the level of excitement the last time I say I could think of, for someone who's not a New York Giants fan, that I was excited to watch the Giants play is, boy, when Jackson D. Scatterbo got there. Yeah, because I ain't no telling what was going to happen. Hey, Uncle Joe. Like, it was exciting. Just the way they played the game. It was reckless. They was having fun, and just.
Chad Johnson
They just.
Joe Johnson
They just didn't care. I'm talking about straight excitement, similar to when OBJ got there. You tune in to watch the Giants game because ain't no telling what's going to happen. And that's the type of excitement they brought back to New York again, man. So hopefully he continues to play the game the right way and live to play another down. Live to play another down. Stop trying to run over the dvs.
Chad Johnson
Scatter Boo. Same thing you saying.
Liberty City Zone
Scatter Boo need to get.
Chad Johnson
He need to get on down sometime.
Health Advisor
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Liberty City Zone
Get it.
Chad Johnson
Get out. Get you scatterable.
Joe Johnson
Trying to run through everything. Joe, man, Scatter everything.
Liberty City Zone
Scatter Boo out here doing back flips and all. He ain't standing there with y' all talking about, yeah, okay, He l keep
Chad Johnson
on thinking, keep on thinking. You in the circus. Hey, you be out there. The trainer come out on the field, you be talking about, hey, Jack Rabbit with cowboy boots. Jack re Cowboy. You don't have know what the hell you talking about.
Liberty City Zone
Oh, man
Chad Johnson
up, man. Just be. Hey, you got to be smart there. There's a time and a place for everything. There's a time when you got to get the extra yard. It's third down or it's fourth down. But there are times. Get your butt out of bounds. Don't take. Don't take that unnecessary.
Liberty City Zone
Ain't trying to be heroic. I already know, boy. Trying to get in the end zone, man.
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, okay. There's a time. There's a time and a place for that joke.
Liberty City Zone
I'm just saying, you know, when you young and you out there, you know, man, hey, you by any means, boy, I do a front flip over the whole line. You know what I mean? Like them boys. Hey.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
But the thing is, it's hard, like, when you leave. Like, that's why you see so many people fumble the ball when they leave the ground, because they. They got no, they ain't got nothing to stabilize them. You up in the air so they hit you. Your body just. Ball go one way, you go to.
Joe Johnson
You go the other way.
Chad Johnson
Ass go another way. Dart said during the Giants town Hall, the fans in May, the most Important thing that I've learned, I've got to be on the field.
Joe Johnson
There you go.
Chad Johnson
That is correct again, sir. That is correct again. But you know, you live and learn, like you said. You come in there and you know you used to doing that. That's the way. Because what you hear him say, Ocho, that's the way I played in college, bro. This ain't college. They break your ass.
Joe Johnson
You learn real fast what he learned last year.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, hey, hey. Them boy got mortgages and every damn thing they gotta pay, huh?
Joe Johnson
Yeah. He got kids, man.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, some of them got. Some of them got a divorce. They had to give up half, so I got to saw you in half. Please, kid. They gotta. Hey, you must probably got a baby. Got a baby mama. Especially you got her in California or New York, New Jersey. Boy, you in a heat patrol.
Liberty City Zone
So. Hey, hey, hey, hey. You got to take it out on some damn body. Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Hell yeah. And she done piss you off, too. Won't let you see the kid. Oh, I'm about to tell you a boy. I about to saw you in half,
Liberty City Zone
man. Somebody gotta pay for that.
Chad Johnson
But they.
Liberty City Zone
They.
Chad Johnson
Like you said, they're young. You just. Because when you young, you want to make an impression. That's how white man.
Liberty City Zone
I.
Chad Johnson
Hey, I try to run. Hey, I just try to run over everybody. Hey, man, receive for me. Say, hey. Hey, Greasy, we.
Joe Johnson
We. Hey, listen, we know you're tough. We know you.
Liberty City Zone
We know.
Joe Johnson
Yes. You ain't got to prove it.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, hey, hey. You know, they. They trying to show they belong. They trying to show that they different. Yeah.
Joe Johnson
Hey, that. Hey, Joe. That different.
Chad Johnson
How you tend to how you tenderize me. Beat on it. They'll tenderize you. Hey, they keep hitting your ass. You soft.
Joe Johnson
You right on up, you're gonna be right in that training room.
Chad Johnson
But look, I. And that's the thing. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way. Sometimes the lesson that you get taught, you have to. You have to bump your own head. Sometimes somebody can tell you something. Like what? You say your grandma told you, don't you? That stove was hot? You ain't believe me.
Joe Johnson
I had to go find out for myself again. Hard head.
Chad Johnson
Never. She ain't never had to tell you about nothing else. She ain't never had to tell you nothing else. Don't touch that.
Liberty City Zone
You got that little blister. It gave you that little blister first.
Joe Johnson
Yeah. You know, my grandma. My grandma had the hot comb. You know the hot comb on the. Yeah, I ain't know. I ain't know no better. It ain't hot. Let me go. Let me go. Touch it again.
Liberty City Zone
Man. The same thing happened to me. It was curling down. I ain't know they was on uncle OO in the morning. I mean, boy, that thing got me so good.
Chad Johnson
Uhhuh.
Liberty City Zone
Thought somebody was cooking bacon in that man.
Chad Johnson
And you thought you gonna get some sippy. Caught that crying. What you crying for? I told you dumbass not to touch.
Joe Johnson
That's exact respond.
Chad Johnson
Hey, you ain't to get. Oh, you thought you about to get some sympathy, boy. Be port about to give you no sympathy. I bet I was to tell your hard head ass again. Willa. No b. Now stop crying before I give you something to cry about. I got something to cry about. You. Well, listen, let them old folks have no sympathy, man. Uhoh, uhoh. Things got a little chippy today between Todd Stefanski, I mean Todd Monkin and a reporter. Let's take a listen to how chippy. I wish I understood you, but Mary Kay asked if they're even Steven and then you mentioned that Deshaun's got is better.
Liberty City Zone
Hold on.
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Chad Johnson
So that's what I'm asking.
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Chad Johnson
I said Deshawn's better. Were you. Were you saying that he's gotten better since camp or that he is better than Shador?
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Chad Johnson
Oh, I don't think I threw in there that he's better than Chador. I'm not sure I went that far. But I appreciate you trying to trap me.
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey. Reporter adding his own words, huh? You try to chip him up? Yeah, listen, coaches, coaches, obviously, I'm sure they're probably. They're probably taught, you know, just like those that are in the.
Chad Johnson
Oh, they rehearse what they gonna say. Sure, sure.
Joe Johnson
Absolutely. That's why. That's why I love to hear people that are very well versed with their wording. You know, like Obama. You ever hear people ask Obama questions?
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Joe Johnson
And he can give an answer without really answering the question, but the answer sounds so, so, so awesome. You forgot what they got. You forgot what you got. Damn ass.
Chad Johnson
But if you notice, what does he always do?
Joe Johnson
Yes, Paul's.
Chad Johnson
He never. When you ask a question, he doesn't immediately stop. He don't immediately start talking. He always pause.
Joe Johnson
And that's a skill, huh?
Liberty City Zone
He been trained him Absolutely still, bro.
Chad Johnson
See, we like we already know what you gonna do soon. We ask you something about the lie, Joe. You gonna start talking to me?
Joe Johnson
I don't never lie, man. Hold on Matter of fact, I still got on the same shirt from last night. Hold on, Joe, let me show you this, man.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, what kind of jacket is that you got on? I see the two Juventus.
Joe Johnson
I think this. This is 90. 1990. 1990. Yeah. Y' all don't make fun of me. I still got on the same shirt from yesterday. Hey, let me show you how I don't like what the back of my shirt say, huh?
Chad Johnson
I lie for you before I lie to you.
Joe Johnson
It's a true statement, too.
Chad Johnson
Now, okay?
Joe Johnson
That's a true statement. So anything.
Chad Johnson
Anything I say, I lie on you sometimes, too.
Joe Johnson
Anything I say on here, man, is facts, personal experience.
Liberty City Zone
Hold on. Oh, you throw him under the bus. Oh, so to get you out of trouble, you'll throw him under the bus?
Chad Johnson
To get me out of trouble.
Liberty City Zone
Get you out of trouble, you'll throw up.
Chad Johnson
Will I throw Ocho on the butt? Nah, I might throw him on the bus. I wouldn't be driving the bus, though. You know what I'm saying, Joe?
Joe Johnson
You know what I'm saying?
Chad Johnson
See, the worst thing you could do is throw somebody under the bus that happened to be driving the bus and then back up, put in reverse, and run back over again to make sure you got it. You see if it's the Ocho. No, no. See, Ocho. Ocho ain't. He don't lie. He might, like, misrepresent the truth. Lying is hard. I mean, you say call somebody a liar, so you say he feel he might misspeak. He feel a little bit.
Joe Johnson
Just a little bit. Now, I ain't really gonna tell no whole lie. I ain't gonna tell no lie. Sometimes. Sometimes I tell a white lie to prevent from hurting the person I'm telling a lie about or telling a lie to, you know? Yeah, sometimes.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Joe Johnson
The true truth, it hurts. So sometimes you got to, you know, give them a little white lie, Joe.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah, so you. So you kind of embellish the story a little bit just to make it sound a little better.
Joe Johnson
Oh, no, no. Hey, Joe, any stories I tell you, especially on here, that's truth. That. That's based on factual experience.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just. We just. We just like. Like when you get those true crime stories, sometimes they leave out the names or they give you a conventional name. That's to protect. That's to protect those that. Yeah, that's all we do. We tell you stuff, you know, I'll never give you no names.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Don't give you no name because, you know, like I said, some of these people, they don't got married. They got kids.
Liberty City Zone
They got grandkids.
Chad Johnson
They don't need to know that about their mom or their dad or their grandma, their granddad. We just keep that. We. You keep that between us. Yeah, but y' all know. I know.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah, yeah.
Chad Johnson
Now, hey, look. Don't look. The only thing I was saying is that, you know, it got bad. Ocho, when do you not ever known a coach not to speak after practice? That's what they do. Yeah, they speak after practice, and normally, guess what? They gather around the scrum. Gathers around. He walks up on the podium and asks away. That ain't what he did yesterday. That's not what he did the other day. He walked on, left everybody to their own interpretation of what was going on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I get what he's saying. He said, would Deshaun have gotten better? Two things can be true. Deshawn could have gotten better from the time we started until now. It could also be true. He's gotten better than Shador. Y' all make it seem like it ain't got to be mutually exclusive. Y' all know how this thing works. Hey, Dantre. Matt. If he said it, he said it. But to my. I. I don't. I don't. I don't remember him saying that. And we try to. You know, we try to watch a lot of what these guys said, and obviously, we got a vested interest in looking at the Cleveland Browns because this supposed to be the year they got a new head coach, that DeSean is finally healthy. Shador has a year up under his belt, and, you know, they traded the best player, try to get some draft capital, because they realized they're more than one player away, bro. And I. I told Ocho this last year, Joe. I said, oh. I said, joe, I would trade Mile. Garrett, Ocho's talking about, man, why you gonna trade your best player? I said, you can finish your last place without it. Get some. Get some dip. I mean, come on, man.
Liberty City Zone
Yeah,
Joe Johnson
that's a good one. I didn't understand it, but I kind of get it now. I kind of pushed back when you said that because it didn't make any sense to me, but. But now. Now I get it.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, hey.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, you get you. I give you a couple of good players, Ocho.
Liberty City Zone
Hey, but when you listen to Todd Monk and talk, I heard him say, I wouldn't go that far when he was saying, like, watching this, Sean is better than you. For him to say, I wouldn't go that far, it further lets me know, man, he think highly of Shador.
Chad Johnson
I think.
Liberty City Zone
I think he really thinks highly of Shador. That man say, I wouldn't, but when
Chad Johnson
you got bosses, he said, I wouldn't go that far.
Liberty City Zone
What'd you say?
Chad Johnson
Yeah, but when you got bosses, you got to answer the deal.
Joe Johnson
I don't think a head coach would show his hand anyway, too, Joe. He won't show his hand.
Liberty City Zone
I felt like he said a lot just in that little.
Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand what you mean. But they never showed a hand. They never allow the media to say, okay, you can tell he's leaning towards a certain player.
Chad Johnson
You probably see it more in basketball than you do football, Joe. But when you see a guy you like, man, and that guy there, he's bad. Look at that guy.
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Chad Johnson
He should be playing, but he ain't, you know, man, making all that money, he ain't going to play in front of him. That even happen. Here's how the QB performed today. 11v11v11. Today, Shador Sanders, he took all the first team reps, 16 to 23, three touchdowns. Deshaun Watson, 15 to 22, two touchdowns. Dylan Gabriel, five of eight. No touchdowns. None of the quarterbacks threw a pick.
Joe Johnson
That's a nice solid day, too, now, so. And I would take it from that, especially 11 or 11. That mean the offense won today.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Liberty City Zone
Some hell of a percentage or something.
Joe Johnson
Yeah, that's pretty damn good for both of them.
Liberty City Zone
They got. Hey, hey, hey.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, you go 30. You go. You go 36 of 53. Yeah, you have pretty. Five touchdowns. Yeah, that's a damn good. That's a damn good. That's a great day. That ain't no good day. That's a great day.
Liberty City Zone
Oh, no, man.
Chad Johnson
Damn. Hell, they must have been. That must have been all. Red zone. Ocho, what's today?
Joe Johnson
You think?
Chad Johnson
So the day Monday, they're getting your three touchdown. Man, you can't get no damn three touchdowns in field play. Every five touchdowns in field play, Ocho, unless you going bombs over.
Joe Johnson
Bombs over shoe.
Liberty City Zone
All the clear.
Joe Johnson
All the clips on Twitter is bombs over Baghdad.
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Joe Johnson
That might have been it. Well, you know, they only quiet confidence.
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Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (plus Joe Johnson – “ISO Joe”)
Date: August 11, 2026
Episode Length: [~69 min]
This episode of Nightcap is classic Unc (Shannon Sharpe) and Ocho (Chad Johnson), joined by "ISO Joe" (Joe Johnson), focusing on some of the hottest headlines in NFL training camp and preseason action. They debate the ongoing Dallas Cowboys contract saga with CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens, break down leadership and team culture in Dallas after Quinnen Williams' new deal, react to Jaxson Dart’s improved QB play, and discuss Todd Monken’s viral moment with a reporter. As always, it's a blend of unfiltered sports analysis, locker room wisdom, and a whole lot of laughter.
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On waiting to pay big talent:
Star player self-advocacy:
On owner-player “friendship”:
On business and agent negotiation:
On learning to play smarter:
On PR-savvy coaches:
On NFL Power Structure:
Classic Nightcap: conversational, unvarnished, funny, but also rich with behind-the-scenes insight and life advice for athletes and fans alike.
Skip the ads, but don’t miss this episode if you want the real, unfiltered pulse of the NFL preseason and the personalities who define it.