Nightcap Hour 3: Nightcap Hour 3: Solo-Maxing is TAKING OFF + Play OR Fade + Q & Ayyyy

Summary

Nightcap – Hour 3: Solo-Maxing is TAKING OFF + Play OR Fade + Q & Ayyyy

Podcast Hosts: Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Shannon Sharpe
Guest/Co-host: Joe Johnson
Air Date: June 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap centers on the trending topic of “solo-maxing”—the deliberate choice to stay single and invest in oneself—as well as listener Q&A, pop culture debates, sports bets, and classic stories from the hosts' pasts. Ochocinco, Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), and Joe Johnson (“ISO”) bring their signature blend of humor, nostalgia, and real talk to a lively, free-flowing conversation about everything from expensive boots to life lessons from struggle, music legends, modern dating, and NBA/NFL analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Boot Game: Custom Boots and Expensive Tastes

• The episode kicks off with friendly banter about fancy boots—a symbol of status, nostalgia, and personal style for the crew.
  • Ocho announces he’s back with Adidas, sharing the news jovially. (03:16)
  • They talk about rare, custom alligator and gator-skin boots, with prices reaching into the five figures.
    • “They got alligator chocolate boots, man, for 16. My goodness...” – Ocho, (05:43)
    • “I paid about... Probably about 6 [thousand] back then, there was a place... Falcon Head Boot Company.” – Shannon Sharpe, (06:24)
  • The segment is rooted in humor, camaraderie, and a little bit of “flexing” about personal style and memories.
  • The crew jokes about dressing up “cowboy style” and even putting spurs on boots just for “that noise like the Wild Wild West.” (10:05)

2. Solo-Maxing: Gen Z's Shift Away from Relationships

[TIMESTAMP: 10:34 – 19:29]

• Shannon introduces stats about the ‘solo-maxing’ trend: More than 40% of Gen Z adults (18-34) now prefer staying single, with many citing financial freedom and mental health as main drivers.
  • “Solo maxing. The deliberate choice to stay single... is gaining traction... nearly half... being single feels more peaceful than being in a relationship... Another 42% say relationships interfere with personal goals, financial stability, or self-development.” – Shannon, (10:34)
  • Ocho agrees, stressing the economic burdens of dating and the wisdom of focusing on self-improvement.
    • “Most of those that you will date and trying to attract, you know, it becomes a liability, it becomes an added expense...” – Ocho, (11:50)
    • “Depending on how much you got on your plate, then you could play the kind of game you want to play.” – Ocho, (12:15)
  • Joe Johnson concurs, noting the distractions dating brings and the prevalence of ‘fake’ dating personas ("Chance GPT" jokes—a riff on AI-generated responses).
    • “It almost feel like... damn Chance GPT out there. Every answer... got rehearsed, they say exactly what you want to hear.” – Shannon, (13:16)
  • The group emphasizes the role of discipline, life experience, and focus in achieving greatness.
    • “Greatness is lonely. Greatness is monotonous.” – Shannon, (13:44)
    • “You should be so locked in... that it distracts you from... going out with the homies or... your girl.” – Joe, (14:32)
  • They reflect on the contrast between growing up with hardship and raising kids in abundance, reinforcing the value of hunger, drive, and gratitude.

3. Supportive Partners: Givers vs. Takers

[TIMESTAMP: 18:41 – 19:29]

• The hosts discuss how rare and valuable it is to find a partner who truly supports your goals.
  • “You have some that are givers and it don’t always have to be financial... knowing who the givers are... just understanding what you’re trying to do...” – Ocho, (18:54)
  • Shannon shares a heartfelt reflection on his grandparents’ support and the importance of gratitude.
    • “Sometimes for me, just tell me, ‘I see how you’re working. Keep it up, that’s all.’ ...Just be thankful. And, you know, it’s a rarity to find people like that out there, man. It really is. If you find somebody like that, gotta hold on to them, boy.” – Shannon, (19:29–24:20)

4. Play or Fade – Sports Bets Analysis

[TIMESTAMP: 24:25 – 25:50]

A segment where the hosts quickly predict player performance for an NBA night, including Stefan Castle, Dylan Harper, Mikal Bridges, and Karl-Anthony Towns.
- “We all going More More More, 25 to win $175!” – Shannon, (25:50)

5. Listener Q&A – Sports, Life, and Culture

[TIMESTAMP: 29:58 – END]

• NFL/NBA Questions:

  • NFC North quarterbacks: Goff, Love, Williams, Murray.
    • “After this season, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kayla Williams jumped the number one, and then Jordan Love is second.” – Ocho, (33:23)
  • All-time Hawks rankings: Joe Johnson details his pride and humility in being among Hawks greats and discusses team alumni culture. (36:01–37:29)

• Pop Culture Debates:

  • “Start, Bench, Cut” for 80s/90s R&B groups (Isley Brothers, Earth, Wind & Fire, Gap Band, Jodeci, New Edition, Boyz II Men).
  • “For me... Earth, Wind and Fire, Isley Brothers, Gap Band—that’s my pick.” – Shannon, (45:27)
  • Ocho and Joe express how tough it is to pick, showing their musical love and generational differences.

• Personal Stories:

  • What sports moments didn’t make the highlight reel?
    • “Probably my high school, my senior year. High school film... I just wish I was able to watch my highlight film for my senior year.” – Ocho, (58:49)
    • “High school was by far the best time of playing hoops.” – Joe, (60:09)

• Food & Upbringing:

  • Running jokes about Southern staples like liver, gizzards, chitlins, and “wish sandwiches.”
  • “No, we had wish sandwiches: Wish we had something between two slices of bread.” – Shannon, (16:38)

• The Value of Struggle and Experience:

  • “Sometimes, life experience is the greatest teacher... you’ve been without, when somebody hasn’t been without, how do they know what it’s like to be without?” – Shannon, (17:16)

• Haiti in the World Cup:

  • Ocho expresses pride and optimism for Haiti’s national soccer team. (65:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Most of those that you will date and trying to attract... becomes an added expense which gets in the way of your short and long-term goals...” – Ocho (11:50)
• “Greatness is lonely. Greatness is monotonous.” – Shannon (13:44)
• “We had wish sandwiches: wish we had something between two slices of bread.” – Shannon (16:38)
• “Sometimes, life experience is the greatest teacher.” – Shannon (17:16)
• “If you find somebody like that, gotta hold on to them, boy.” – Ocho (24:20)
• “Earth, Wind and Fire, Isley Brothers, Gap Band—that’s my pick.” – Shannon (45:27)
• “High school was by far the best time of playing hoops.” – Joe (60:09)
• “[Dressing cowboy to wear the boots]... I want to make that noise like the wild, wild west.” – Ocho (10:05)

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Important Timestamps

| Time | Topic/Event | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------| | 03:16–10:11 | Custom Boots Banter, Cowboy Fashion | | 10:34–19:29| Solo-Maxing, Focus vs. Relationships, Support | | 24:25–25:50| Play or Fade (NBA Player Props) | | 29:58–47:14| Listener Q&A (NFL/NBA analysis) | | 45:16–47:21| Start/Bench/Cut: R&B Music Groups (80s/90s) | | 58:49–61:09| What Moments Didn’t Make the Highlight Reel | | 65:10 | Ocho on Haiti in the World Cup |

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Tone and Style

• Lively, candid, humorous, interwoven with wisdom and real-life lessons.
• Equal focus on brotherhood, light-hearted ball-busting, and authentic reflections on success, legacy, and personal growth.
• Listeners are treated as part of the Nightcap “family,” with shoutouts, banter, and direct responses to audience submissions.

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Summary Takeaway

Nightcap’s third hour is a showcase of modern sports talk with old-school flavor: unfiltered, wide-ranging, and deeply relatable. From the reality of solo-maxing and the cost of relationships to hard-won lessons from struggle and the rare treasure of true support—Shannon, Ocho, and Joe keep it real, insightful, and always entertaining. The mix of cultural throwbacks, sports insight, and tales from “back in the day” make this a must-listen for both laughs and genuine life advice.

Transcript

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[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. What you wearing tomorrow? What you wearing tomorrow, Joe? So I could be. I could be clean. I want to make sure. I'm, you know.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. I'm have to. I don't know. I had to take a look. I don't really know, you know what I mean?

[Stefano Pallard]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You want to see my shoes?

[Joe Johnson]

What you got? What size are those? Huh? What size it all about?

[Ocho]

Easy 11, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you know, you know, I' n signed a little deal. I'm back with Adidas again.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, really?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

That's why I've been wearing Adidas so much.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. What's that you got over there? You got some. Oh.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Oh, boy, that's that old horn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, them things fresh out the water, ain't it?

[Ocho]

Would have been nice.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, I killed. I killed. I killed the game myself.

[Ocho]

Ate him. Nice.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, this thing fresh out the water, ain't it, man? Oh, hell, and boy, them nice.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, when we going to Houston?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You know, I think. Look at you got your car up here.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

This the tail. Hey, this the tail. You see how the ring go down there?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, that boy ready. Hey, you h town ready. Look at him.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hey, o' Shea was a step boy. I step

[Ocho]

showing the boots. When are we going to Houston?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hey, remember that song? You got to come out stepping, baby. That was my theme. I put that in there. I stepped out. Yeah, I was. Hey, hey,

[Ocho]

what's.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Upon a time?

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho asked him again. I don't think he heard.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he heard. He heard me. I asked him twice. When are we going to Houston? Houston? You got.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You got boots.

[Ocho]

When are we going to Houston? We gotta wear them.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hey, I think I gotta retire.

[Joe Johnson]

No, man, come on, man. Bring the things out one time.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Y' all be. Hey, what do you think? I was hard, Joe. They were hard. Y' all see that? I played Peter Peter's thing back then. Go ahead, y' all go look up there and see what some horntail gators call. And they did these booze like 30 years old. Horn tail

[Ocho]

gators.

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all playing, man, I'm ready to bring things out, Joe.

[Ocho]

You got some boost, too, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, man. I told y' all got some. Price.

[Ocho]

I don't think these prices right. They got. I see some 1200. What are you. Nice, boy, they got alligator chocolate boots, man, for 16. My goodness, autumn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they ain't cheap now.

[Ocho]

Hey, they got some hornback alligators or rolls. 6,000.

[Joe Johnson]

Would you pay VO? Huh?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I paid about. I paid about. Probably about 6. Back then, there was a place they're not in business anymore. It used to be called Falcon Head Boot Company. They were in Beverly Hills. Anybody from that area know about Falcon Head? Actually, I got both pair from there.

[Ocho]

Hey, boy, these things expensive.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Now, a lot of times, like, when I get stuff, if I go with something custom, they got a guy in San Antonio named Thomas Ardiddy. So he made like. I got a couple of backpacks, duffel bags, stuff like that made. But he. He. But now I think. What's the. What's the. The boot company? Ash in my ear. What's that boot company. Luc Casey. Look up Luc Casey. See what Lucasio Hornback going for Ocho.

[Ocho]

Luke Casey.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, I think it's two Cs. A s, E.

[Ocho]

Luke casey. What, the 22,000?

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Ocho]

16,000. 4,000. Nah. Yeah, I stick to my regular boost from boot barn. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, that's out of my. Yeah, I stick them a little boot bar boost for the 300.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

And, you know, they got the ones that got the gator come all the way up, because, you know, mine. I just got it on this part right here, but they got it where the gator come all the way up.

[Ocho]

Nah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. Don't try to get out there to try to break them. You want to break the faith.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man, but y', all. You Ocho playing.

[Ocho]

That ain't me, Joe. I showed you my boots. I'm ready. I'm ready. What? I got my Levi's and all,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

which.

[Joe Johnson]

You got your Levi's? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, I got my Levi's. I got my flannel, and I got my belt.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you locked in. You locked in.

[Ocho]

I may have my bandana, you know, have my bandana hanging out the back pocket. Yeah, the cowboy hat, man.

[Joe Johnson]

You locked in.

[Ocho]

What?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, I think you know which one. Hey, Chad, what y' all think? Y' all think the Kanye or the black one?

[Joe Johnson]

Them Kanye is hard, too, boy.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Part of the brick.

[Ocho]

You got the kayak belt to match?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I think I do.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I think I do. I know I. I know I got the black belt to match, but I think I do got the Kanye belt.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

boy, Them hard.

[Ocho]

I'm ready,

[Joe Johnson]

boy.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Your boy.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm ready.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I get the face.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, it's. What. It's one thing to show them up, but we got to put them on now. We got to put them thing. Put them things to the, to the soil.

[Joe Johnson]

He's scared, man. He's scared.

[Ocho]

Walking Area 29 with them things on, man.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Man, mama be on some bull.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. You gonna blame mama? Come on, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I'm gonna put spurs on mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just make sure anything I run across, you know, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, don't be trying to blame.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Why you put spurs on him? You ain't right. Oh, you just wanted to make that noise walking.

[Ocho]

I want to make that noise like the wild, wild west,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

man. You need help.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, he's special. He had but three, four people in the class who.

[Ocho]

No, I had six.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hey, but Joe, you know, he walked to the back of the trailer. He ain't stopping the main building.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know I was homeschooled.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. All right.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hey, check this out. Solo maxing. The deliberate choice to stay single and invest time and money in yourself rather than dating is gaining traction as Gen z report spending 205 per day in 2026. Nearly half of the adults age 18 to 34 now saying being single feels more peaceful than being in a relationship. Another 42% says relationships and interfere with personal goals, financial stability or self development. And 33 say they are actively avoiding dating to protect their mental well being. With a dating app burnout at a record highs and it caused a single night out rivaling a car payment. Opting out entirely is looking less like giving up and more like a rational financial decision. Ocho, you talked about this. You talk about this all the time. You got to be careful because it's a, you know, you lose a relationship, you're like, that's just one less expense that I got to cover. I ain't got to worry about taking you out to eat two, three times a week. I ain't got to worry about the hair, nails, makeup, X, Y and Z. And so they say, you know, dating is like rival a car payment. Depending on the type of car, obviously, you know, it could be anywhere between five hundred and twenty five hundred and three thousand dollars. So what say you, Ocho? You, you agree with this?

[Ocho]

I mean, I agree with it wholeheartedly, you know, most definitely. Especially for those that are, that are, that are trying to reach a certain, a certain status or trying to create revenue and you know, better themselves in, in a sense, depending on who you date, most of those that you will date and trying to attract, you know, it becomes a liability, it becomes an added expense which gets in the way of your short term and long term goals because absolutely, if you got a plate, Joe and Uncle. If you got a plate and. And you got food on your plate, is the person you're dating adding to that plate or taken away from that plate? Absolutely. Depending on how much you got on your plate. Then you could play the kind of game you want to play.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm with you.

[Ocho]

That are trying to add more to the plate. You know, you kind of want to stay away from that. You can dibble and dabble every now and then. Dibble and dabble every now and then. But you have to remember that no one is really adding nothing to your plate financially. I mean, that's what we're speaking on, because that's. That's. That's. You know, let's stay in context here.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I'm with you. When you write, you know, when you. If you buy yourself, you can really lock in. You ain't got to worry about somebody else feelings, you know what I mean? You can just lock in on whatever goals you're trying to reach. It's tough date nowadays, bro. You know, if you ain't already locked in. If you ain't already locked in with somebody, bro. Like to be out in the dating world now. Everybody lying, man. Come on. Yeah, yeah. Come on, now.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

It feel like. It almost feel like it. Damn Chance GPT out there. Every answer that got rehearsed, they say exactly what you want to hear.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. And then, look, once y' all lock in, then things started to change. You know what I mean? It's like, hey, bro, I. I totally get it, though. I get it. I get it.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

When you.

[Joe Johnson]

When you're a focused man, bro, and you're really trying to accomplish something, you know, it may take you a couple years, man. You don't want no damn distractions, bro. Nah, you don't know.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Distraction.

[Joe Johnson]

You want to lock in.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Everybody, sit. Everybody can say they understand, and it's okay. I want you to. You know, I'm here to help you get that. Everybody says that, but greatness is lonely. Greatness is monotonous.

[Joe Johnson]

It's an obsession, bro.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Big. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Well, you know what? Lazy people call it obsession. Because they can't focus on their goals. So they see you obsessed. No, I'm just focused.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm just determined.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

That's it. And.

[Joe Johnson]

And whatever it is that you're determined to do or. Or are doing, you know, it distracts you from the bs, you know what I mean? That's why I tell my son all the time, bro, you're supposed to be so locked in that, bro.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You. You.

[Joe Johnson]

You Supposed to be working on whatever it is you're trying to accomplish, whether it's a better.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hooper, be a lawyer.

[Joe Johnson]

Whatever. Whatever the hell it is you're trying to do. You should be so locked in on that that it distracts you from. Okay, dang. I was supposed to go hang out with the homies, or I supposed to go kick it with my girl, or. Man, damn, all that. You know, sometimes that got to go by the wayside, bro. You gotta take care of you,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Joe. It's hard, though, Joe, because you got to realize how focused would you have been if your mom was in your situation.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know. I know, bro.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Johnson]

He.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You. He. He go over there and see Range Rovers and see this big house and see all that. And see what you. The access that you have. You see when you hungry, when you ain't got no money, your heart broken. You see your mom, your grandma, them struggling. He ain't never seen no struggle.

[Ocho]

They don't know what struggle is.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Struggle to him is in the dictionary, right? You.

[Joe Johnson]

You got to have something that pushes you.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Life experience. Yeah, life experiences. See, when you can go. When you can go into the pantry and you can get five different types of cereal, you can get three different types of bread, and you got water, orange juice, milk, soda, You ain't. When you can go into your pantry and say, man, how many times you think your son Joe has gone into the pantry and say, damn, ain't nothing in here to eat. Juxtapose that to you, Ocho, to you.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't been many.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, man. I mean, I bet I'm growing up like, man, we ain't got nothing, and we literally didn't have nothing.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hey, but, hey, we had chickens. I go out there and, hey, get them chicken eggs.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

And some of them damn near people, man, y' all don't know how many times I don't cracked eggs and. And. And probably two a day later. That'll be a chick.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, them. Damn. Them damn grilled cheese sandwiches. Them sugar. Them sugar sandwiches and all that. That's when all that come into play boy days.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Oh, we. No, we had wish sandwiches. Wish we had something between two slices of bread.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

that's what it was. And look here. And my grandma cooking okra, cooking tomatoes. I don't want that. My grandma said, well, do like the people across the river do. I say how they do. Granny do whatever. Yeah, well, I'm going to bed because I ain't eating no squash. I ain't eating no tomato. Hey, I wait and get. Hey, I thug it out, go to school the next day, wait for. Wait for it.

[Joe Johnson]

Be like a hungry man at lunch, boy.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, but that's the. But that's the difference. And I think the thing is, is that sometimes life experiences is the greatest teacher. And when you don't. I mean, sometimes you don't always have to have those said life experiences, but I do think that's some of the better teachers, a life experience. You've been there, Joe. You've been without. When somebody that hasn't been without, how do they know what it's like to be without?

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

sometimes. Mary Porty say all the time, son, sometimes you just gotta butt your own head to know how bad it hurts. Because, see, I told you and I. You didn't believe me. You got to feel it. You have to experience it for yourself and these kids now, a lot of these kids. And when people like. Man, you talk like you grew up in the 30s and 40s. No, I grew up in the 70s. But it lived. We live like that. We didn't have no money. We didn't have. Ain't no making no up and try to embellish something. I ain't telling what somebody told me. Tell him what I know.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

so that's why I admire kids that families have and the kids still working as if they don't. Peyton and Eli,

[Ocho]

good example.

[Joe Johnson]

It's hard, bro. You got to be different. You got to be cut from that cloth. You have to wanna. You have to wanna be great. You have to want to be successful for your damn self, bro.

[Ocho]

You know what's funny? And speaking about being successful for your damn self, there are a few. There are a few partners out there. There are a few women out there that understand that. They understand the end goal.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

You got something that you'll meet and it's motivating. They push you, they breathe, they like, into you and what you trying to achieve. And they understand that. That you have some. You have some that are givers. And it don't always have to be financial. You have some that are givers and you have some that are takers. Yeah, I know who the takers are is pretty damn easy.

[Joe Johnson]

They got to go.

[Ocho]

But knowing who the givers are, and it doesn't have to be financially, just understanding what you're trying to do, they are aligned with your end goal as well.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Sometimes for me, just tell me. I see how you're working. Keep it up, that's all. Say Your prayers, all it take, it's gonna be okay. No, it's okay for you not to be okay. But I'm here to make sure you are okay. And whatever I need, whatever I can do, I do make sure you're okay. Okay? I just, like. I just, like. I just look sometimes like, she's like, you make sure everybody is okay. You make sure everybody's okay. I just want to know one thing. Who's making sure you okay? Where do you get to go to cry? Where? Who do you put your head on? Who listens to you? You listen to everybody. Everybody that has a problem, they tell it to you. Who do you tell your problems to? Sometimes that's. Hey, you know what? Like I say, my. My grandma didn't tell me she loved me. My grandma could tell me, that's a big boy. When I was a little kid, she told me I was a big boy. That means the world to me. That's what. That's what, hey, my grandfather tell me about me and my brother. Hey, I remember one night so vividly. Like I said, I slept with my grandma. My. My brother slept with, slept with Papa. Granny slept on the front. I slept on the back. Papa slept on the front. Spanky slept on the back. Probably about two or three o'clock in the morning. And I remember him saying, he said, mary, she was a light sleeper. She's like, one of the few times I'm gonna tell. I'm gonna tell you another story after I get out, after I get off of this one. He's like, mary. She's like, yeah, Barney. She said, mary, I might be dead and gone. He said, but them two fellas don't make something. He said, they so smart, they so disciplined. He said that, that little one, he said, mary, yeah. Talking about me. He said, mary, that little one know it. He watch everything. He could repeat you what he said, mary, you watching one of them TV shows, He watched something, he could repeat it after just seeing it one time. He said, but, Mary, I'm. I'm probably gonna be dead and gone. He said, but them two fellas go make something. That was one of the few times my brother tell you probably about the last two to three years of my grandfather's life, he slept the majority of time on the knees. He's sleeping the bed. He slept on the knees. He couldn't be comfortable in the bed.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

He get on his knees, he'd be like in the living room. And the next thing you know, he'd be sound asleep on his knees or You. He get down on the knees to pray and wouldn't get back up. It broke my heart to see him like this because I knew he was in pain. It broke my heart to see my grandmother seeing him suffer. That's the only man my grandmother really loved. Ever loved. And knowing that she couldn't do anything, couldn't help. Granny was a great partner. She sacrificed her sleep schedule because he mentioned her name one time. My grandfather ain't. Hey. He couldn't say. He didn't say married two or three times. And she like, yeah, yep, he called her name one time. And so that's what that was. When, like, when he told me he would. They would. My grandparents would tell me they were proud of me. But I wonder that. That was my. That was my look. That was their love language to us. Because back then they didn't do. They didn't do all that. Look, I love you and hug you. Come in. Yeah, they ain't do that. They ain't do that. But they tell you they're proud of you. And when my grandfather and grandmother told me they were proud of me, that meant that. That's in my. That meant they loved me. That meant everything to me. That meant everything to me. And so that's how I am now. I want great appreciation. If I do something for it, just, hey, I like. I like gratitude. I don't like ungratefulness, no matter how big or know how small the gesture is. Just be thankful. And, you know, it's. It's a rarity to find people like that out there, man. It really is. If you find somebody like that, gotta

[Ocho]

hold on to him, boy.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Man, hold on.

[Ocho]

Hold on to him.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Now it's time to play or fade. Presented by prize picks, Stefan Castle. Joe, will he have 11 and a half points mark more or less?

[Ocho]

Oo more than how many?

[Joe Johnson]

11 and a.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

11 and a half.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Dylan Harper, will he have more than 13 and a half?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh,

[Ocho]

how much time they gonna give him? Because every time he get in there, he going. He. He getting to the money.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He g. Yeah, yeah. I got. I got him getting at least 15, 16 points.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Mikhail Bridges at least 13 points.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, Mikhail, he. He known for throwing up eight points. Now he might get. You know,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

but Joe, that joker been. Ever since. Ever since that game. Ever since that game three against y', all, since he done came back, he been killing.

[Joe Johnson]

He been killing. Yeah. In New York. I say, more, more, more.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I go, okay, this was gonna be the one. Carl Anthony towns at least 17 and

[Joe Johnson]

a half more or less more more

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

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[Ocho]

all

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q. Hey, Before we get to our super chats, we've got two video voicemails from our discord. Let's take a listen to the first one. Hey, I got a joke for you. You know comics, right? So now you know a role from X Men. How she'll take other people's powers.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Now, if Rogue played a sport, what

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

sport would she play? I'll give you a sec.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Now, she played basketball because she lead

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

the league in steals. That's what your homeboy. That's what your homeboy. That's what your homeboy.

[Ocho]

That was a good one.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Here's our second one. Let's take a listen.

[Caller/Guest]

Unc, Ocho and steel king ISO.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Caller/Guest]

How y' all doing on this Sunday? I got a question for y'. All. Y' all see I'm repping Packers early before the season even starts. Ocho, what do y' all rank the quarterbacks of the NFC North? My opinion, Imma go Jared, Goff, Jordan, love, Caleb, then Kyler and ISO. My question for you, if you were to play in the NFL, what position would you play? Outside of tight end or wide receiver because of your height, what position would you play? But y' all boys have a good night. I love the show. Y' all get me through my work day. Love.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Oh, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll be a hell of a tight end. I got something.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Nah, Joe, I think you'll be a defense. Yeah, Joe who?

[Joe Johnson]

Too tall.

[Ocho]

You'll be dear.

[Joe Johnson]

But my hands and my hands and my feet. Hey.

[Ocho]

Oh, you got. You got two. It's too much target for you, Joe. They gonna kill you out there at tight end.

[Joe Johnson]

Man. Get me in the red zone, who gonna stop me?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Who gonna check me? Well, you know, you gotta get to the red zone. So you don't want no passes with the red zone, huh? JoJo, he don't want no passing to the red zone. He want to jump up, catch a touchdown and run off the field.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have been in the end

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

zone dancing here N Joe, you'll be a great defensive end. Six foot seven. That wingspan lock out rip.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Joe, you'll kill him on defense.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You. Hey, Ed two tall Jones was six foot nine.

[Joe Johnson]

What type of money the edge is

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

making sure you see that. That's 40 million. That's it.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, you know, I. I ain't saying I wouldn't be a bad boy, but damn.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Well, I mean, hey, you gonna make it at 25, probably 25:30.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. All right. It's a right.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Tight ends don't make that much. They make good, but they don't make that. They don't make that. I. I can see that. I don't know how much longer Jared Goff is going to be in the number one slot. I mean, after this year, hell, he might be down to three. Caleb Williams coming.

[Ocho]

I mean, but. But as it is right now, when you talk about the NFC NFC north quarterbacks, obviously Jared Golf is number one. I would have Jordan Love third. I mean, Jordan Love second, Caleb Williams and then Kyler Murray.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, I agree with that list. Yeah. But I'm not so sure after this year is going to be that.

[Ocho]

Probably not. You know, honestly, I think after. Excuse me, after this season, I wouldn't be surprised if Kayla Williams jumped the number one, and then Jordan Love is second. I don't see with the supporting cat that. That Jared Goff has, I don't see him slide down that much to where now's a conversation. And based on preference, based on the quarterback that you do like,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

based on the. The maturation that I've seen from Caleb Williams and his second year in this Ben Johnson system, hey, we might be thinking about him at a whole different damn, the NFC North. He gonna be one of the top two or three quarterbacks in the damn league. There's not a throw that he can't make. Not. Yeah, he holds onto the ball sometimes, you know, he. A little bit too long, Ocho. But, man, his improvisational Skills, his ability to throw the football rolling left or rolling right.

[Ocho]

He nice.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

He hella talented. Dr. Frank L. Bellarmine. Cheers. Dynamic Trio. Man, it feels good to officially say that. Congrats, Joe. What's up, fam? How was your day off? My day was amazing. I slept in. I think I slept till about 9 o'. Clock. I have nothing to do. And then I talked to. Talked to my sister, see how the boys was doing. And the kids. Me and the kids, we went to dinner last night.

[Joe Johnson]

So good day for me. I wouldn't done me some yoga, man. You know, I gotta mind, body and soul over here, baby. I gotta keep everything intact. You feel me?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. Ocho, what you did on your day.

[Ocho]

I was. I was in Chicago, you know, I perused the city for a little bit. Ate it a spot. I forgot the name. I forgot the name of the spot I ate at yesterday. I had breakfast. But I like Chicago, man. Chicago is a nice place, man.

[Joe Johnson]

It is, bro.

[Ocho]

It is. Outside of the things to hear on the news, I mean, man, it's beautiful, the people are nice, the city's nice. The food, the restaurants that, that you have at your disposal to eat at. I went to a cigar bar. I mean, I really have nothing bad to say about Chicago, man. I really enjoyed the winning city. Obviously. I was able to go to the friendly game. USA played Germany, even though we lost 2 1. USA look good. They look good. So I'm optimistic about them starting a tournament next week. If I'm not mistaken, I think we play Paraguay first, if I'm not mistaken. But I mean, I really, really like Chicago. I really do.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

All right, so where do you rank yourself on the all time Hawks list? Who?

[Joe Johnson]

Man, there's some grace, obviously, you know, you know, Dominique, Lou Hudson. I don't know if y' all know who Lou Hudson is. Pistol Pete. Pistol Pete, Yep. You know, these are like some legendary grace, bro, who I watch coming up. You know, I don't. I don't. I honestly, I don't really know. I never even, you know, even thought I even put myself in that category. But you know, you know, when they have.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

They don't y' all have cups like Ocho and I, we have like, okay, we had a celebration where top 50 bronco players, the top 50 bingo players. Do y' all have a celebration where they have like the top 25. Top 50 or.

[Joe Johnson]

It's not top 25, but they do have alumni. We have alumni stuff that we do. So it may be gatherings, it may be dinners or we Meet at the practice facility.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

We, We.

[Joe Johnson]

They try to do a lot with us, bro, with us retired players. And I can appreciate that. You know, you, you, I enjoy seeing, you know, like, we always talk about all the Knicks, the Knicks greats who at the game supporting those guys. And I'm sure they do a lot of stuff off the court as well. And same here with Atlanta, the majority owner, Tony Wrestler, who's, you know, taking everything, you know, as far as by the horns and he's making sure that, bro, we all stay in contact and we all doing something together in some. Some form of fashion. So it's been fun. It's been fun.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. They do that. The Broncos, they having an alumni. I think they're having a big golf tournament tomorrow. Unfortunately, I'm flying in tomorrow, so I'm not going to be able to make it, but they do a good job. But we had the 50th anniversary of the Broncos, so they, the top 50 players, they came back and they got, they got, they got recognized, but they always, for the most part, they always doing something for the alumni have a, have come back once a year and then obviously the, the, the anniversary teams that won the super bowl, they get to come back every five, ten years. I think. Hold on. We probably got one twenty. Oh. I'm trying to think when the last time. One in twenty. Oh. Next year. Next year be the, the 30th anniversary of the first Super Bowl.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Time go by fast, man. Time go by fast. No question. But Ocho, much love Brody since he is home for me. Who they Ocho out here looking like Wesley Snipes.

[Ocho]

Wesley Snipes. Okay.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Okay. I hope Wimby, he heats up, uses all his emotions to beat the Knicks. He'll make history. And, and he knows it. I still believe in him.

[Joe Johnson]

It's more. It ain't necessarily to me, it ain't necessarily about him heating up. Obviously, he. He has to play well, but it's them other guys around him who got to play great too. You know, I, I think we put so much on Wimby because he is a great talent, you know, and, and rightfully so. But when you had those other guys, Fox, Champenny, Vasil, Castle, Harper, when all those guys are playing well, meaning, like they ain't got to be out of this world, but when they all playing well and they're efficient, they're a tough team to be, bro. They're a tough team to be. And now if we can have one of those games to where he does go for 40 and have 20 rebounds. You ain't seen that since the Minnesota series or since game one of the Thunder series. You know, that's the last time you've seen it. Ever since then, boy. Hey, hey, they.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

They, they. They make it. Hey, they make it a conscious effort to keep him off the glass. I mean, he's had some big games, remember, Joe? He had a, what, 29 or 31 point game? He's had some big games. Even this last game, he had 29, and I think 29 and 12, which isn't bad. But I know what you're talking about, Joe. You talking about one of these games that they're going to remember. That Thunder game, that 4124. He hits the walk in three from 29ft away, and then he plays really well in overtime and 24 rebounds in his first playoff game. But if those other guys, because we've seen those other guys, where they get 20 and 22 and 23, they're going to be difficult to beat because now you can't sit. All your attention, all your focus on. Because these other guys are cooking, and then you try to shut their water off. Now it starts to leak somewhere else.

[Joe Johnson]

Exactly.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I think it would be great if y' all hosted a podcast cookout maybe in Atlanta and have Mr. Tendonism on the grill. Y' all can play spades, dominoes, shoot dice, etc. Just invite me when y' all do.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, look, hey, hey. I don't mind taking a little money from y', all. You know what I mean?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

There you go.

[Joe Johnson]

Keep it real.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm ready.

[Ocho]

I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, boy.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hey, Ocho, saw you at Prime Cigars in Midtown earlier. You was at the bar with. And my lady friend was right behind you. Oh, you there. You that. Prime cigars.

[Ocho]

Right here. Right here. Right here on Peachtree. You know, I'm staying. I'm staying right here across the street.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it was.

[Ocho]

I. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it wasn't nobody in there. Just me, you know, smoking, you know, watching out, watching the UFL game. Just. Just enjoying myself, you know, I had some. I had some waggle sliders on. Hey, waggle sliders, boys, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, don't. Don't. Cam Newton got a cigar bar?

[Ocho]

Yeah, Fellowship. Fellowship right there. Right there.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Stadium.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Yeah, I like Fellowship.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And they got live music, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, I normally try to make it my business to go down there and support it. Yeah. But food, great. I. I understand. You know. Hey, smoke, do Whatever you do. But, hey, I'm going for the food. Them tacos like that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna have to pull up on him down now.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What area?

[Ocho]

You. And you far from where I'm at?

[Joe Johnson]

Where you at?

[Ocho]

I guess. I guess Buckhead, I guess.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Were you in Midtown?

[Ocho]

Oh, my bad.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you probably.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

What hotel you staying at? And I tell you.

[Ocho]

Lowe's. At the Lowe's on Peach Street. Like.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you about 20 minutes from me, Ojo.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey, you know, you got extra room?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I.

[Ocho]

Come on, stay there tonight. What?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man, I got plenty of room. You know, if you need. You know, you got. You got your old lady with you, don't you?

[Ocho]

Oh, no, my baby. She. She watching. She at the house. She. She in Boston.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, matter of fact. Hey, where them dogs at?

[Joe Johnson]

Right here.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pull them on that.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. What you trying to say? What you trying to see? Oh, you don't think he chewing ass, huh?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You don't think.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't think my dog over here chewing ass? You think he play?

[Ocho]

Play? Yeah, he gonna play. Play with me.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. All right.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, they call me the Dog Whisperer.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, you can. Hey, you think you come over here with all that Isy Miyaki cologne on? All that everything gonna distract me?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

He ain't.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, he ain't gonna be studying none of that, partner.

[Ocho]

Yeah, all right. I hope you know how to wrestle.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

That's a good one. Got two questions. We gotta start, bench and cut. You got the Isley Brothers, Earth, Wind and Fire. Gap band for the 80s. And for the 90s, you got new Edition Boys to Men.

[Ocho]

Hell, nah, man. Who did that, man?

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on. That ain't even fair.

[Ocho]

I'm doing. I'm doing the 80s. I got the Icy Brothers Gap banner.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

First of all, hey, you know, I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm the music head now. So we got. We got the Ash Brothers.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, go ahead.

[Ocho]

Earth, Wind and Fire, Ozzy Brothers going first.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Okay, you go start. Isley Brothers.

[Ocho]

The real.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Do you remember the Isley Brothers versus. Versus the Earth Winded Fire?

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm stuck. I'm stuck on number two.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Oh, you talking about Isaac Brothers. Look, hey, Charlie Wilson was like that. Hey, I love the Gap Band. Outstanding.

[Ocho]

Girl, you knocked me out.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Burn rubber on me, that's tough. You told me to go up the block to get you a strawberry pop. When I got back to, you had burnt rubber out the back. Look, I love the Isley Brothers. In any other circumstance but Earth, Wind and Fire. I've seen them like three, four times in concert.

[Ocho]

So they first for you?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

For me, as far as bands and, you know, I'm in above the age. Yo, that the 80s. The big bands. Earth, Wind and Fire, Cooling the Game, Late side. The Bar K's. Ohio Players, Casey and the Sunshine Band. So I pay Atlantic Star, Midnight Star, the bands. Were it cool in the game? Did I leave anybody out?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, come on.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, I probably. Man, they used to get it, the Bar K's.

[Ocho]

So who you got first?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I got. Listen, for me, for me, for me, just me. I'm going. Oh, I'm going. Earth, Wind and Fire. Isley Brothers, Gap Band. That's my pick. Now, I understand the Isley Brothers and I love them. But Earth, Wind and Fire is your brothers.

[Ocho]

First Earth, Wind and Fire, then the Gap band.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Somebody said sos band. Yeah, sos band was like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. The 90s group, man. I gotta start Jodeci. I gotta start Jodeci, bro.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. Then I'm gonna have to, because New Edition really was. New Edition was really the 80s. New edition was really the 80s.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, them boys, man. Them boy bad. Especially when they got Johnny Gill. Them boys bad.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

And considering everybody in the group as an individual. You talk about Bobby Brown. Do I need to say more? We talking about Rav Trans, Man. We talking about Johnny Gill. And the other three start Brad stopping with Bail, Build, Devote.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. With all that being said, because I love him. I got a cut. New addition. Because I'm. I'm Ben. Boys and men. I gotta have bum. Hey, hey, it's how I. Hey, hey, hey. I'm. Hey, I'm huge fans of all three of them groups, bro. And to have to even cut one hurt, but. And I know, dude, just New Edition got classics. Yes, they got classic. Yeah, they all got classics.

[Ocho]

Boys and Men got classics.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man, what you talking about?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

But really. But really. But really, Joe. New Edition was really the 80s, because by the time the 90s rolled around, they were gone. Bobby Brown was on his own. Ralph Transplant was doing his thing. Johnny Gill was doing his thing. Johnny was doing his thing before came joined them and went back out.

[Joe Johnson]

Then Bell, Bill, all them boys now.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Boy, boys, boys to men. Yeah. Smack dab in the 90s. Smack dab.

[Ocho]

How do I man say,

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

oh, Joe Harris, one for you. Ocho, what are your thoughts about starting Harper over Fox? Harper production has been better than Fox, despite him being the vet. We need scoring.

[Joe Johnson]

You lose, Fox. You do that, bro. You losing. You losing. You do that. The man making too much damn money for you to put him on. Okay, so what. What's going to happen next year when the season start back up? You going to bring him back off the bench because he going to feel away all this money about to kick in for him, man.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You can't.

[Joe Johnson]

You. You can't do that. If you going. If you going to start, if you going to have to take somebody out there, starting lineup, it's going to have to be either champagne or V. It's going to have to be one of them.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Just keeping it real.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Huge MMA fan and practitioner here and can't believe the next. The event next weekend. What you say? What that said? I'll be watching, but what a joke, love. I'm trying to. Well, who fighting next weekend? Oh, the. The 250 at the White House next week already? Yeah, it's the 14th, right? Hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

This boxing MMA.

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[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I hate to say it, but I

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[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

It's the rage bait.

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[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

hey, ain't that fighting next weekend? Chad, that fight next weekend, Right? I want to say.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't gonna lie. I want to go to that booth fight on the 27th in New York at Barclays. Yeah, I might have to do something. Bro.

[Ocho]

That gonna be a good one, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, that boy gonna cut a fool. You hear me? Nah, not.

[Ocho]

Hey, Xander. Nice. Now, Joe, I.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no, no. I know he.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, it's next. No, it's next Sunday, Joe. It's because the day is the seventh. It's next Sunday.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Justin Ga against Tapur Pere against S Gon Sean o' Malley versus the Hobby. Yep. Derrick Lewis is on that fight. Michael Chandler.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hold on, hold on. Why you talk. Why y' all talking about this fight at the White House? Did y' all see that Trump supposed to be at the game tomorrow.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, man. And. And the people upset because, you know, they won't have.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

They're bad about that.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. What up, big three? After the NBA Finals, y' all gonna do. Go into the World cup game with Ocho or nonsense. He might bail on y' all now. Ocho, we got. We got a. A sign. Ocho got to go pull watch Nightcap.

[Ocho]

That's gonna be funny.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna cover. We're gonna cover. We're gonna try to get to a game. I don't know where we're gonna all be able to link up and what game we're gonna attend, but we're gonna attend. Yeah, some game.

[Ocho]

I gotta get y' all in that atmosphere, man. Just so you can understand you. Could you.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I guess the best one would probably be Atlanta.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. One here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We. We get a game here.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I think that would probably be the best one for everybody, because then, you know, Joe can go to his house. Shoot, I can come to my place, and then Ocho, you be in the hotel. So I think that'll be the best.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. Someone needs to tell BA if you disrespect one owner, you're disrespecting all the rest. No player is bigger than the program. You can try that is in other leagues, but the NFL is like Denzel I run is here. You just live here.

[Joe Johnson]

They. They.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

They. They will. Yeah, they absolutely will get a shot, though.

[Ocho]

You gonna get a shot,

[Joe Johnson]

and hopefully he. He.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

He cashes in.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You also remember, but if they pay Brunson and Luca, there's no way they trade for Kyrie. Who knows? I mean, they might try to trade Kyrie this year.

[Joe Johnson]

It's possible. Kyrie got some. Hey, he got some good ball left in him, and it's. It's a bunch of damn teams he can help

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

a bunch. An absolute bunch. Did you ever see Driving Petrovic when he was alive? I absolutely did see.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no. That's the dude played in for the Nets. Yeah, I heard he was a bad boyhead.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

He let it go. Yes, Lord. Yes, Lord.

[Joe Johnson]

Bad boy. Okay.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

He was Petro. Big three. Who makes fun of your skits? Drew Ski or Desi Banks? Oh, my gosh.

[Joe Johnson]

Now that's pretty funny, bro.

[Ocho]

Well, who. What?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Drew. Drew Ski. Who make fun of your skits? Drew Ski or Desi Banks? I've had both of these young men on. On Club Shay Shay, and both are funny as hell. But what Drew did that preacher. Right now, right? Right now, Drew, right now.

[Ocho]

As far as he's on a legendary run. Boy, Drew is on a legendary run

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

is Dave Chappelle, if you talking about just skits.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on, man. Desi got some good ones, too, I think. I think what it is, it's when they are so relatable that you can really understand and you can see it like.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

And you know exactly who they talking about, man. When. When Drew came on there and had them power technic going. He was in that white face, had that wig on you.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

He ain't called nobody name, but everybody know we were talking. He dropped it down. And when he. Hey, remember he did that skin about the preacher jacket on? He got the cable.

[Ocho]

You ain't see. You saw Drusky new one? Yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Which one? Which one? Which one?

[Ocho]

Making. Making fun of the OGs that go back to the hood.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, I ain't seen it. I ain't seen.

[Ocho]

Oh, man.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yo, but. Oh, yeah, Desi, man, Desi, he just. Ah, man, that dude just funny, man, having them all. He'll be telling the story about how he about to get beat up, man. Joe, who told you that? I said, don't worry about who told me. I said, man, why'd you make him laugh? He like, hey, he wasn't trying to laugh that day. Fellas, what's the one moment that didn't make the highlight reel that you wish the world could have seen? And ISO. Congrats again on being the third member. But you do know you got to get jumped like a gang, right?

[Ocho]

Ain't gonna be no jump. Ain't gonna be no jump.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I'm a lumpy muck.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I'm only one giving out ass whoopers over here now. I'm getting. I'm giving them out. I'm passing them out like candy.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen. Hey, listen. I pull up to your house now.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You can do that?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, come on, make a light on yourself, partner. Yeah, I'm waiting. I told you the Porsche light on.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

What moment did you that didn't make the highlight real? You wish the world could have seen. Ocho, is there a moment that a highlight real,

[Ocho]

man? Probably my high school, my senior year. High school film.

[Joe Johnson]

That's a good one, bro.

[Ocho]

Hey, man, any number vhs. I. I want to go back to the school and ask. I'm not sure how far they, you know, they keep footage, but that 1996 Manny BCN High School highlight film. Yeah, I Haven't seen one. One tape, one game. I just wish I was able to watch my highlight film for my senior year.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I pray. Look, I'll probably take that too, Ocho. For me, high school was so fun because I wanted to. I went to high school with some cats who I grew up with. We had been playing ball together since we were like seven, eight years old. So to go to high school together, man, we were a public school. We were ranked top 10 nationally my senior year and obviously ended up winning the state championship. Missed the basketball. It was nothing like that, bro. It was nothing like that moment. And you're right, I don't have a lot of footage. I don't have a lot of footage when I was in high school, but I'm sure I could probably get some. But uncle Ocho, at my height at six, six, bro, when I got to high school, six, seven, I'm jump balling and playing the point. Like, literally playing the point and jump ball.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

It wasn't.

[Joe Johnson]

We didn't. We wasn't raising them like that, bro.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

We wasn't breeding them like that, you know, like here in Atlanta. Hell, you, you. Hey, they breed them down here where I'm from. If you 6, 6, 6, 7 your ass under that gold.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. You play. Yeah, you, you, you.

[Joe Johnson]

I wasn't the most athletic, so we ain't win a lot of them damn jump balls, but I. I was the biggest one on the damn court. I had the jump ball, you know what I'm saying? But I had the ultimate advantage because guys weren't used to garden a dude. 6, 7, 6, 6, right? Handles like a guard, you know, And I use that to my advantage, bro. High school was by far the best. The best time of playing hoops. Like, obviously, I played in the pros for 18 years, made a lot of money, had fun, ultimately didn't win a title. College was fun playing for the razorbacks. I grew up long time Razorback by high school. High school was different, bro. High school was different.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. My college, College football, college. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. I was.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I was. I was. I was. Jerry, rand and tio all rolled up. If the Knicks win, Uncle ISO have to wear a OO jersey on nightcap. If Ocho loses, he has to wear unk jersey. And.

[Joe Johnson]

And we got to come up this for the series. Damn, we already in the hole. Now he talking about we gotta do all that.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah. Now you. Come on, man.

[Ocho]

Whoever said that, no goodwill. The spurs ain't coming back down no O2. Now. Come on now.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. One game at a time.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Question. I know we come from powder milk and block cheese. Did you ever have to eat liver with smother gravy? I hate liver. No, I ain't eating no liver. I. I don't like liver to this day. I don't like. I don't like regular liver. I don't like chicken liver. No, not gizzards.

[Joe Johnson]

Them gizzards from, like, KFC them give us.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

They said they got. No, they used to have these gizzards at this place in Savannah called Carrie Hilliards. They took them off the menu about five years ago, but they still got the best fried chicken that I've ever eaten. Carry. He is in Savannah. If you. If you live in Savannah, you passing through Savannah, stop by Carrie Hilliards. Hey. And they don't drop the chicken until you order it. So it's gonna take you about 20 minutes now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. My mama was a gizzard liver eating some of my gun. I was right with her. I was right with her. I was right with her.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Boy, I like gizzard Joe. I ain't messing with nobody liver. I ain't gonna hold your dad. I ain't messing with nobody liver.

[Joe Johnson]

When I think about some of the stuff I was eating back then, my mom and my grandma, boy. Hey, hey. My enzymes in my stomach started turning.

[Ocho]

Now, Dave, you don't like gizzards?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, I can't eat none of this. I don't eat none of that stuff no more. With your pig feet.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Gizzards.

[Joe Johnson]

Now. I don't eat none of that, but that thing.

[Ocho]

Good boy.

[Joe Johnson]

You eat chitlins and all that, boy.

[Ocho]

Chilling, boy. Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

No, I don't want no chillings. I eat some pigtails. I eat. I'll eat pig ears. I might. I'll leave any pig feet, but I ain't. I. I don't want no chill. I don't want no livers and lights. I don't want no hog mo. I don't want no chitlings.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, that man. That.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I don't want no hog head. Ch.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that man eating booty. So I know eating some. Eating some chitlins ain't.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't nothing for him.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, you're right, Joe. You're right.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

You played in. If you played in this era and you're up for a contract, what would your contract be? Would the regular season be better if the playoffs were NFL style?

[Ocho]

Man, Shoot.

[Joe Johnson]

Would the regular season be better if the playoffs was NFL style?

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Oh, basically one game.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Cause, see, if in that case, the best team ain't necessarily gonna win.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I just got to be better than

[Ocho]

your ass that day at that one day.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

That's it. Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know, man, what. What y' all would be asking for in this era.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I don't know who the highest paid tight end wheels right now. I think it's Kiddo, but it would be me. I don't know who he make it, but it'll be me.

[Ocho]

If I were playing in this era.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Shoot. My feet. My feet alone by themselves.

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[Ocho]

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[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. How about playing receiver?

[Ocho]

I'm just saying my feet alone.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Big. Hey, I'll be, bro.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

I played in the predominant. I played in a predominant run league and look at my numbers. So I know if we gonna throw the ball like we throw it like they throw it now, man, please.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Hey, guys, Ocho going to that Haiti Scotland World cup game. Does watching Haiti bring back memories? Backseat memories.

[Ocho]

Hey, man, I'm so. I'm so happy. I'm so happy for Haiti, man. I'm so happy for Haiti. I'm. I'm glad they made it. I think they have a really good chance to come out of this group and play well and. And shock. Some people obviously have Scotland in their group. They have a. I think turkey, if I'm not mistaken, in Brazil. I think I got. I think I got it right. So I'm hoping they come out the group stage and make it to the knockout stage.

[Chad 'Oo Cinco' Johnson]

Thank you guys for joining us. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank each and every one of you for joining us tonight. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc and that's my partner in the co host. That's Liberty City's own. That is Chad Oo Cinco Johnson. And from Little Rock, Arkansas, University of Arkansas alum and Atlanta Hawk. Great. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Again, thank you for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by La Portier, head over to leportierconac.com to purchase you a bottle. If it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. Remember, it is a premium VSOP cognac. The best tasting, smoothest VSOP kac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll be back tomorrow night after Game three. Let's see if the spurs can win this game and really, really make it a series. I'm unk. He's oo. He's ISO. Thanks for joining us.

[Joe Johnson]

Go Spurs. Go Spurs.

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