Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Terrion Arnold Arrested + Brandon Aiyuk Situation Takes New Turn

Summary

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Episode: Deebo & Joe – Part 2: Terrion Arnold Arrested + Brandon Aiyuk Situation Takes New Turn

Date: June 26, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”) a.k.a. “Deebo” & Joe (Joe Haden)

Overview

This episode dives deep into two major football stories from the week: the shocking arrest of Detroit Lions’ Terrion Arnold, with detailed speculation on what led to his charges and the likely impact on his career, and a dramatic update on the Brandon Aiyuk/San Francisco 49ers standoff–including Aiyuk’s cryptic social media moves hinting at a departure. The hosts also tackle changes to NCAA eligibility rules, interlace personal stories, and reflect with their signature blend of humor, critique, and realness.

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Key Segments & Insights

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1. Terrion Arnold Arrested – Detailing a Career-Altering Crime

[03:07 – 11:28]

• The Allegations:

  • Arnold, a Lions player, was arrested and faces kidnapping and armed robbery charges. Allegedly, after losing $250,000 in jewelry/cash from an Airbnb theft, Arnold orchestrated a violent retaliatory attack thinking certain teens were responsible—though police later said the victims were uninvolved.
  • The attack involved women luring the victims, two armed men hiding in a closet, beatings, and a livestream of pistol-whipping, with Arnold giving instructions remotely.
  • The two women involved turned state's evidence, telling police Arnold was the mastermind.
  • Arnold now faces multiple first-degree felonies; possible life in prison under Florida law.

• Hosts’ Analysis:

  • Deebo: “You up here playing gangster games, man. About 250? You tripping, bro. Call the insurance company, collect the insurance, keep it moving.” [06:12]
  • Joe: “...You just gave up everything for 250 of something you could have reported on an insurance claim.” [11:01]
  • The hosts express disbelief at Arnold’s decision-making, especially orchestrating the crime via livestream and texts.
  • Both stress how, with a $14M contract and NFL status, legal insurance is the right move—not vigilantism.

• Notable Moment:

  • Deebo: “They pistol whipped them boys for two hours straight…on live stream, bro.” [07:06]
  • Joe: “They got you dead to rights because you done did everything you could. Pistol whipping and everything, man. And you didn’t even get the ones that got [your stuff]!” [09:50]

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2. Brandon Aiyuk Drama: Social Media & NFL Image

[14:09 – 25:45]

• Aiyuk’s Social Stunt:

  • Aiyuk posted a video tossing stacks of cash on the ground in an empty closet, while referencing finding tour tickets on the Commanders’ website—implying a move to Washington.
  • Hosts note symbolism (empty closet = moving out?), poke fun at the performative nature of flexing (“No way he left the cash on the ground!”), and question the intention behind the display.

• Career Ramifications:

  • Deebo: “What you’re doing is you’re getting paid...but you no longer want to be there. And you have 31 other teams looking at this, like, okay, if we pick him up, will he do the same thing with us?” [24:07]
  • Joe: “It’s giving off immaturity...you’re jeopardizing so much that you don’t really know. Because you’re mad right now, but it’s making you look crazy, you know what I’m saying?” [21:03]
  • The hosts highlight that, in the NFL, conduct off the field directly affects opportunity, regardless of talent. Players must move smart, or risk being blackballed.
  • Both believe Aiyuk’s actions may have tanked his value for other franchises, not just the Niners.

• Advice to Young Players:

  • Joe: “...any football team trying to find reasons not to pick guys, right?” [21:40]
  • Deebo: “If I'm gonna do anything, I'm just going back...solo dolo by myself. Can't nobody tell on me but me.” [09:23] (Previously referencing the Arnold case, but generalizable.)

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3. NCAA Eligibility Reform: The Five-Year Model

[29:14 – 45:18]

• The Change:

  • Division 1 athletes now get five years to compete, no redshirts/waivers (besides extreme exceptions). Those older than 19 at entry, or with JUCO detours, could lose a year.
  • Immediate lawsuit followed (15 basketball players in Ohio), but hosts think a rules reboot was overdue.

• Host Takes:

  • Deebo: “It started to get ridiculous with guys getting six, even seventh years of eligibility…using every position to get stuff. Once they started getting court-ordered eligibility extensions, so we're gonna cut it clean and dry.” [30:38]
  • Joe: “College is a business now. You're not student athletes, you’re athletes who go to the school. They're making real money, so there’s going to be rules…” [33:47]
  • The effect is to curb “professional college athletes”–players who’d hang around, rack up NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) payouts for years, crowding out newcomers.
  • Some deserving athletes (those with legit injuries, for example) may now miss extra eligibility, but the upside is a more level field for high school-age recruits and fewer loopholes.

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4. NBA, NFL and Personal Banter

[49:00 – 54:29]

• Fan Allegiances & Memories:
  • Joe shows off his extensive LeBron James jersey collection, swearing loyalty to LeBron wherever he plays (“It’s always Bron. No matter what, it's Bron.” [49:23])
  • Deebo quips about being a Jordan guy (“I’m telling Jordan, take away your damn shoes.” [52:23])
  • Light-hearted riffing on NFL and NBA teams, the perpetual struggles of the Browns, and LeBron’s hypothetical return to Miami or Cleveland.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Terrion Arnold’s downfall:

  • “First round draft pick, bro. Now you about to be sitting there doing life. Fourteen million-dollar contract… you just gave up everything for 250 of something you could have reported on an insurance claim.” – Joe [11:01]

• On Aiyuk’s social media moves:

  • “You’re turning off so many other people and owners and teams at the same time. I hope he realizes… once you lose that credibility, it takes forever to get it back.” – Joe [22:01]
  • “If you real boss like that, just leave [the money].” – Deebo [15:46]

• On NCAA changes:

  • “They had to do something. It started to get ridiculous with guys getting six and seven years…they were just becoming professional, using every position…” – Deebo [30:39]
  • “Just with everything with the NCAA stuff, just has to be structured. It can’t be the wild wild west.” – Joe [33:47]

• Peak Banter:

  • “LeBron always brawning. The Browns are terrible for Browning. That’s the level of consistency.” – Deebo [51:47]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Terrion Arnold Arrest Analysis: [03:07 – 11:28]
• Aiyuk’s Off-field Drama and NFL Image: [14:09 – 25:45]
• NCAA Five-Year Eligibility Rule: [29:14 – 45:18]
• NBA/NFL Player Allegiances & Banter: [49:00 – 54:29]

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

• Tone: Real talk, authenticity, laughter, and a barbershop-feel—mixing hard truths about choices, money, and reputation in pro sports with off-the-cuff jokes and the rhythm of old teammates reminiscing.
• Message: Careers can be lost in a flash due to bad decisions or immature public displays. The business of sport—college or pro—waits for no one, and professionalism trumps everything in the NFL. The NCAA's new rules may be controversial, but sports are catching up to the reality of money, business, and the need for structure.

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This episode stands out for its blend of hard lessons and humor, providing both an inside look at the mindsets behind big sports headlines and a warning for young athletes about what really matters.

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[Debo]

speaking speaking of Speaking of mental health. Man someone right here. Man. Someone right here. The Lions what is it, Ter? Ter arrested faces kidnapping, robbery recharges Police say Arnold reportedly orchestrated an armed robbery and kidnapping after believing several people had stolen property from an Airbnb he rented, even though the investigators later determined that the victims had nothing to do with the theft. Joe, that boy got three victims over there, all of them teenagers. Was they still grown? What was it, 17, 18? No, 18 19. Like they.

[Joe]

According.

[Debo]

According to police, it was two women who allegedly lured the victims to a temple apartment where the two subsects were two armed suspects hiding in the closet, jumped out and held them at gunpoint, beat them and robbed them.

[Joe]

What?

Bro.

[Debo]

Investigators said the attack was live streamed to Arnold who. What are you doing? Who allegedly gave directions through a group chat before arriving at the apartment while the robbery was still underway. Lisa. The victims were later forced into their own vehicles at gunpoint before being released.

[Joe]

Did you.

[Tab Ramos]

Did you.

[Joe]

This happened. This happened a while ago and now

[Debo]

they know, but they got him locked up. They trying not to let him out.

[Joe]

You did you know about. Did you. So you read the story, right?

[Debo]

February 4th.

[Joe]

So just the crazy part, Debo, about the situation is obviously when you get your Airbnb, he said the Airbnb got robbed and he thought it was the driver, his driver that they was using the whole time. So then they went and set up the driver. So he went like yeah, when told the police. So he went and did his own investigation. Investigation. And it's like I understand when you lost 250000 worth of jewelry and you're mad and you're upset, but don't go playing James Bond or detective or Monk, you know what I'm saying? Like you then he did his own detective things. Wouldn't have set these people up when it robbed them. They had nothing to do with it. You know what I'm saying? Like you just. You can't do that. So now the driver comes out. It's like it's not I just got robbed. You know what I'm saying? At gunpoint. Because they thinking, no, where's the. Where's the bread? So the whole situation depot is Actually crazy, you know.

[Debo]

250,000, they said in cash and valuables.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Stolen.

[Joe]

Yes, yes,

[Debo]

bruh. How in the world.

[Joe]

I, I, it's, it's like.

[Debo]

And you get the wrong ones, though. You, you done did this to the wrong people. They're saying yes, allegedly. Like you, you got the, you got the wrong.

[Joe]

Because you felt like set up and went and started doing your own investigation.

[Debo]

Listen, law enforcement said none. None of the three victims were actually involved in the Airbnb theft, according to statements from Tampa police. Wow. Dude, it could 9th 1819 off in Tampa, I guess. How do you listen? You up here playing gangster gangs, man. About 250. You tripping, bro. Call the insurance company, collect the insurance. Get. Keep it moving. I'm not saying you want to do something. Tell the police what, what happened. Let them figure it out. They might have actually caught the right people. They said they pistol whipped them boys for two hours straight, D. They put the woman for two hours on live stream, bro.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Debo]

And you go do it on live stream. Were you texting and everything? You don't understand about Eve.

[Joe]

I'm back. I'm watching the Wire again right now. Hey, now, back in the day, 2000 long.

[Debo]

Debo, hold up, dude. On top of that, the two chicks, I guess that they had to. To set them up. They testifying they already guilty. Kidnapping, conspiracy, robbery with a firearm.

[Joe]

Do you want to know why she immediately Debo.

Four years.

[Debo]

He got four years because the girls

[Joe]

were the ones that he that hit up allegedly to go over there and set him up to say, like, yeah, we gonna have a little fun. Set up the driver to come over there and have a little grown man time with the girls. And then they was hiding in the closet. Popped out, boom, girl. The dudes with the guns was there. The girls FaceTime like, what do you want from them? And he was like, they ain't saying that. They ain't got it. So that's when he ends up like this. No, I'll be there in a minute. Pulls up to the crib. And then that's when you say he started doing the stuff to the dude in the spot, man, right there. So the girls, when they get caught by the feds, theirs start instantly. Oh, no. He was the one that told us to set up the buddy. You know what I'm saying? They snitching. Instant yes. And then they got home, they going to do that. They four. And now they tell him that he was the main one to do the whole setup.

[Debo]

What are you thinking? Even setting that up or trying to do that. Like they dropping the dime immediately. Listen, Joe, Joe. So it's, it's very, it's very, it's very few, few people. If, if, if. And I was going to do something like this, that I would do it with it damn sure ain't gonna be a female of random anything like it go have to be like, I ain't doing it.

[Joe]

First of all, first of all, we ain't doing it, Debo.

[Debo]

Listen, Joe, if I'm gonna do anything, I'm just going back. Oh me, oh me.

[Joe]

This is what I'm saying.

[Debo]

Oh me doing this solo dolo by myself. Can't nobody tell on me but me.

[Joe]

Nobody. The only pun it said, yeah,

[Debo]

can't nobody tell them.

[Joe]

Can't nobody tell on you but you. Yeah, I'm watching with you. Gotta watch. I mean not no see. Nope. Gotta watch better shows. You ain't watch the Wire then watching Dexter

[Debo]

like, bruh, you, you face your life. They face a license. They told him he ain't get well, they ain't giving it. They're going back on the 20, what is the 29th or something like that to see if they go actually giving a bail. It's like, yeah, they go, they go review that because they saying they don't want him to get out because he made threatened witnesses and, and pay people to go do stuff and all that. They, boy, they got you dead to rise because you don't did everything you could. You pistol whipping and everything, man. Like you came over, you're like, no, the answer wasn't good enough. No, let me go on over here. Let me, let me get some of this. And then add the wrong ones. You ain't even. You ain't even get. You ain't even get the ones that got it. They sitting back right now, laughing, joking. Oh yeah, we still got him for 250. Now he about to go sit in jail and. And maybe for the rest of his life.

[Joe]

He is facing, listen a lot of charges.

[Debo]

Multiple first degree felony counts of kidnapping, armed robbery. Dude, that could carry a maximum penalty of life in prison under Florida law, bruh.

[Joe]

It's not a game, man. Not a game really out there.

[Debo]

No first round draft pick, bro. And now you about to be sitting there doing life 14 million dollar contract. You just about. You just gave up everything for 250 of something. You could have reported on an insurance claim or to the police and just said, you know what? Even if I ain't got the insurance claim here, they got me.

[Joe]

They got Me, I know you know for sure he ain't got that insured. I know. It's not. It's not.

[Debo]

Look, I ain't got no earrings in right now. You know why? Because I lost them. You know why? Because they fake. I lose stuff. It ain't no need for me to even. I tell her, listen, man, if you see me with some jewelry on or anything like that and you want to rob me, go ahead and rob me. I promise you, you ain't doing nothing but practicing. I'm gonna get her. I'm gonna give it to you and. And. And let you keep going with it.

[Joe]

I ain't even tripping. Yes, I'm. I feel you. I feel you, Debo. I'm in the same boat, man. Life is.

[Debo]

But yours is real. I'm a. I ain't gonna lie. I've been thinking. I've been thinking some crazy stuff. Before we got cool. I was thinking about robbing you myself. I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe. That was before I was. You know what I'm saying? That was like 2017. I was thinking about Rob when you first came to the st. It ain't. It wasn't nothing personal. It was just my, you know, that was just my mindset, my mentality. And you were a brown. You know, you came over all, know what I'm saying? You driving two through two, three different cars that look the same. The same car, just a different color. I wanted.

[Joe]

I was chilling, though. I wasn't saying nothing. I wasn't trying that.

[Debo]

I know you weren't saying that, but I was looking at you. You were shining. Your ice was in my eyes. It was blinding me. I want to get that. I want that too. I like that, too. I ain't gonna wear it. I'm just gonna sell it and get the money for it. I'm gonna break it down easy.

[Joe]

He really was trying to take my chain off my neck.

[Debo]

I ain't gonna lie, Joe. I was like. And then I saw you had two. Two of the same cars. You said they ain't, you know, they ain't the same car, but they look. One of them, he could afford to lose.

[Joe]

One of them was.

[Debo]

And I was just gonna get that and chop that up, take it to the chop shop.

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[Debo]

I'm just saying, Joe, a race, a Ghost. It two door. It didn't look like this. It looked like the same car to me. With Two doors and one half.

[Joe]

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[Debo]

Why did you have a rake? I don't know what rake is.

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[Debo]

Okay.

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[Debo]

Only ghost I know is on.

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Yeah, that's what. Man, that's. They out there playing ghosts. They can't be out. That's not. That's. That is a. That is what it is. And then they came with the. Then the collab, then the Tyreek, you know what I'm saying? Then the Ghost, too. Then. Then the Tommy, you know what I'm saying? Then the raising.

[Debo]

Canaan, I ain't seen no time. I'm telling you, everybody out here, I ain't seen no Tommy get. You know, I mean, like a. Tommy ain't seen the Tommy get. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Tommy, he got his own joint, too.

[Debo]

Tommy, he got his own joint, too. But I ain't seen nobody go out there trying to pull the time. These fools want to play.

[Joe]

Ghost got to be more careful.

[Debo]

No hey jokes. You got to be more careful. D boy, out of their mind. Speaking of out of this month, what is Ayuk doing, man? He posted a video announcing he's back on tour and that tickets to come see him can be found on the Washington Commander's website. He also posted this video of him in a closet tossing a bunch of money on the ground as another. As another reminder to the 49ers of the money he's made from them. I guess Joe peep peep game on the video. Yo, bro, why is the closet empty? Ain't no clothes in there or nothing. Hey, he probably already packed up the movie.

[Joe]

That's right. Yeah,

[Debo]

he just. Bruh, he throwing all that money on the ground, right? He throwing all that paper. Hey, you think he just left it there and left?

[Joe]

No, no. Definitely. Definitely didn't leave that after the video.

[Debo]

So what was the point of throwing on the ground if you ain't gonna just leave it there?

[Joe]

It is for this.

[Debo]

For this.

[Joe]

But we're gonna talk about it for. It's gonna. It's gonna look. Oh, everybody gonna talk about, you gonna go pick your money up. Debo, he leaving that. You seen that's. That's his crib. He's moving out. Did it for the video. And right after that, they're scooping that money right back into that bag. Thousand percent. Yes.

[Debo]

I mean, if you. If you real boss like that, you just leave.

[Joe]

No, that's.

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[Debo]

That's not.

[Joe]

No, sir. No, sir.

[Debo]

I wouldn't I mean, Joe, Joe could do it like that.

[Joe]

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You don't need to be sitting there flexing. 10 bands thrown on the ground.

[Debo]

It's just not gonna lie.

[Joe]

That's a little 30 bands, 100 bands

[Debo]

that look like. I couldn't. I couldn't zoom in on it. I think it might have been about 50.

[Joe]

Okay, 250,000. You got. Matt, you got contracts out here for $60 million. You're not gonna be in the league for the rest of your life. These are just. When I'm looking at it now where,

[Debo]

dude, I don't know if he'll be in the league again. This is not gonna get him out of there and into somewhere else.

[Joe]

What I'm trying do to. To say right now, it's just getting to the point where it's like, if you're in. If you're in the National Football League, this is just not something that you would want. This is just not attention that you want at all. Like, it just seems like you're not mature. You know what I'm saying? It's giving off immaturity. And this is the thing I understand,

[Debo]

but I'm saying maybe a little.

[Joe]

Maybe a little. Like, are you all the way?

[Debo]

Mental awareness week.

[Joe]

Because when you start doing things like this, Debo. The thing is when you're in the National Football League that you realize really quickly, they don't need you. They want you until they don't need you anymore. Until your ability is not managing what is going on on the off the field. As soon as that happens, once you start making the $30 million contracts per year, that kind of starts to happen a little quicker. Like, okay, are you really worth the headache? So for me, any football team, they're trying to find reasons not to pick guys, right?

[Debo]

He think he's doing this just to the 49. There's 31 other teams that are saying this.

[Joe]

And that's when I'm looking at it now, where it's like, I understand where you want to, you don't want to be there with the 49ers, but you're turning off so many other people and owners and teams at the same time. Understand that you want to go to the commanders. I'm hoping that end of the day, if you can get, if it gets out of the situation, you get there, you go ball out. I want the best for you to be able to go play. But when you're from the outside, being retired now, looking in on what's going on, it's like this, oh my gosh, this man is really jeopardizing the, the money that he had guaranteed with him. You could be doing things and talking to your agent in this ways where the team is doing things dirty to you. We know you want to get out of there, but there's certain ways you can do it to protect yourself. Still, still be getting paid your money because that's what at the end of the day, we, we know it's not going to last forever. Making another 24 million that they voided, like that doesn't hurt you right now. And I'm just looking at like, damn, I know once a couple of years from now that's going, that's going to hurt. And then even if he goes to the commanders, hopefully we get the contract. But if he doesn't, it has to sign for less. Just because of these actions of off the field stuff, of nothing that had to do with his real play. It's like, man, you're jeopardizing so much that you don't really know. Because you're mad right now because you want to get out from the 49ers, but it's making you look kind of crazy, you know what I'm saying? Where we like, brother, we under. You're a baller, you're good. But the other teams are still looking at this. Hopefully the commanders, that you have a relationship with them. So if they do release you, you're thinking, I don't.

[Debo]

I don't.

[Joe]

I'm just thinking. I'm just. He's thinking that. That that's probably going to be the team. But if it's not, you done turned off a lot of people, brother. And I'm. And I'm like, dang. I don't know if he really understands that part where it's like, the league, they don't need us. You know what I'm saying? They find reasons not to pass, and then all of a sudden you're just out. And it's good because the league gonna keep going. There's gonna be drafts, there's gonna be other players that gonna be due. So that's why we always want people to get. Get your bag, get paid, because we don't know how much longer you're gonna be able to be in the league. And they're trying to find reasons to not get you paid. Joey Porter Jr. Is staying out the way. He's doing everything right, and they're still trying to find a way to pay him 20 instead 30. You know what I'm saying? Where is that? And it's right. There's nothing wrong with Joey Porter Jr. He's doing everything right. He's chilling. He's been model citizens. Not late. We hear about how he works. So.

[Debo]

But he's already paid. Like, you have nothing to do. You don't want to be there. I understand you don't want to be there, but you're being paid extremely well to not be there. I understand the concept, but what I don't think he understands is that what you're putting out there, what you're doing is you're getting paid. You got a bag, okay. But you no longer want to be there, or whatever is going on has fallen apart. Now, if that's the case, you have 31 other teams looking at this, including the Washington commanders that are like, okay, if we do pick him up, who's to say that he doesn't get into this same position with us and now he's doing it with us? Like, I do not think that he understands the ramifications of what he's doing. And I don't even know, bruh. I hate to say it. If he'll have a chance to make up from this, if he doesn't stop, like, if he don't stop. Never. It's not going to happen. He. He won't. He won't. He won't have a chance to get back into the league.

[Joe]

The easiest way, the best way is like, he. I think that he thinks that this is. You gotta. You gotta kind of just disappear. Stay away from the social media.

[Debo]

All you gotta do is stay away from it.

[Joe]

Don't post nothing so nobody doesn't have any. You're giving people ammunition every day. When we go look at my phone, I'm like, oh, it's like my boss, he's like, yo, you see the brand I you drink? I'm like, yeah, like, I hope he can be able to get out, but it's not look good. He looks like.

[Debo]

And you thinking, you think this is helping you, but it's like you got guys to talk to him. You got guys as close or whatever it may be that are actually talking to him. Unless he got a whole bunch of yes men around him then. But at some point, somebody then came up to you like, bro, come on, man, you got to stop, bro. It's not, it's not, it's not.

[Joe]

You know how that, you know how that is, Debo, when you got.

[Debo]

Dude, what about your agent? Like, yo, bro, hey, like, people are talking to him and saying, don't, man, stop. You're going to. You're gonna, you're gonna push people away. Yeah, but you're still doing it. So what does that tell you? Like, it's nobody that is going to take a chance on that, man. Yeah, like you are ruining your whole possibility of continuing your career.

[Joe]

Like, yeah, we talk about the way the teams want their players to. Just how you answer media questions. Like, this is when you're in the locker room, you're supposed to answer stuff a certain way. Turn it off. Like, not really supposed to be given things that are going to make stir up the media. You know what I'm saying? So just being able to answer questions to the media on some chill. Just being able to handle, handle that is what teams are always like conduct detrimentals. This is not showing that you can be not trusted trusted to be able to go out there and answer these questions in a professional way. Say you get to the commanders and you start not feeling good, you start not feeling the vibe. What's you not to do this again, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just that in the mind because teams, they have nothing to go on but what you show them. And now when we're looking at this, you got paid. It's not like you weren't paid $30 million a year. They saying you weren't showing up to the rehab treatment facility. Like, but there's a professionalism that you have to have from a team that's paying me $30 million. I'm going to just handle it in a way of professionalism to get out. You know what I'm saying? And it just. It could be behind, but this is just so out in the open that it's like there's ways you go about things. And I would think, like, your agent is not saying to do this. Like, when Antonio, like ab. He's grown man, you're going to post what you want to post. So your agent could tell you by this, whatever, I'm going to post it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you still. You. You're not with these people 24 hours a day. They understand. These people are grown men. You go around them, they might not might chill, but they got plenty of time to do whatever they want. And they grow.

[Debo]

Like you.

[Joe]

You.

[Debo]

Like you said, you're making 30 million. You think anybody that picks you up or even if they're wild enough to take a chance and you think they're gonna give you anything that's close to 30 million? No, you're lucky. You're going to get minimum at best, because they're gonna be like, yo, we need to see if this dude actually go prove that he can actually be accountable and not go and do what he has already done. Like, I just. Dude, I find it hard for anybody, for me to believe that anybody, any team, especially if I'm gm, I'm owner, that I'm gonna take a chance on. On him right now. Especially after what I've seen over the course of the last, you know, couple

[Joe]

months, I'm just going. It's going to have to be at a different rate. I'm like, man, we was you, you. The price just went down. Like, you think this makes people ready to pay down? You know what I'm saying? What you was making, like, that's just the part that I don't think that they really understand. So I understand. Get back. You will, hopefully. You just got a lot of credibility that you got to build up. It takes one second to lose all the credibility that you build up. Doing stuff the right way, doing stuff the right way, doing stuff the right way. Then you do something turn. Now it's like, oh, man. Oh, we gotta watch this, dude. It takes a long. It takes. It's one second.

[Debo]

You continue to do it. Like, you know, it's one week. Is this another tweet? Is this like. It's. It's a continuation. And it's like, yo, where do you Go from here. I don't, I don't see anybody taking a chance on it. Man, hop over here, man. The NCAA Division 1 cabinet has unanimously voted to approve its age based eligibility model. Okay. They say this will grant athletes five years of eligibility over five seasons, notably eliminating red shirt and waivers. According to the NCAA Division 1, student athletes will receive five years of eligibility if they enroll in college no later than the academic year following their 19th birthday. Limited exceptions will be granted for factors such as religious missions, military service and maternity leave. Schools will have flexibility regarding student athletes who have remaining eligibility after the current academic year. At the discretion of each school, these student athletes can either have a age based model applied to them or continue to follow the original NCAA eligibility rules. Joseph, do you think this is a good move by the nca?

[Joe]

I don't know. What do you think about this one, Debo? I'm kinda Joe.

[Debo]

I think they had to do something. Especially once they started, you know, paying players and allowing, you know, the nil money. You know, it started to get ridiculous with guys getting six and that even seventh years of eligibility based on, you know, you know, becoming, you know, they was just becoming professional, you know, using every position that they could to, you know, get stuff great. And then once they started doing the court ordered, like going to court and getting court order eligibility extensions, like they was like, yo, we're done fighting these court battles about these rules. So we're, we're going to cut it clean and dry. Is this is what it is? This is the rules. There's no exceptions other than this. Exceptions. Hell, college, they saying, yo, a College for your 18, 17, 18 to 22, 23 year old, like what, what, what do you expect a 17 or 18 year old kid to do when they get in there and they got to compete against a dude 23, 24, 25 years old and he's coming out and his freshman year, well, his sophomore, well, sorry, his senior year, going into his, you know, his freshman year in college and now he can't even, he can't even get a scholarship, dude. Like all these scholarships now, hell, it's already going to transfers. Now you letting a guy stand there until he damn near in his mid-30s, like these kids ain't gonna be able to compete against this, let alone be able to get a scholarship so that they could get free education at least, you know, do that. So I mean, like I said, I understand it like they had to do something. It's gonna be the same thing when this nli, how this money go? They Go put rules on that too. Believe me, it' Like I said, the downside is that guys who actually get injured and hurt and have legitimate reasons, you know, through that process they may not get that six year now they're. Well not may not. They're not going to get. You know what I'm saying? So all that is out the window. And then even for guys that are currently that you know they, they ended up setting it to where now you could do a two years of juco and then come out and go to college and still have all your eligibility. Well for guys who are currently doing that or have have do that and are in that last year now if they coming out and they getting into college and now they're 20, they lost a year already so now they only get four. So it's going to hurt guys who actually thought they were getting a chance to get an extra two years so that they could beef up and be able to compete against these dudes that are coming in there at 20, 21, 22 years old so that they now leaving school 17, 18 now their first year in in the in in college is 20 now they're going to actually be hurt because of the rule. So you know I think it's something that had to be done. It will be the same thing that will happen with, with the, the payments of, of NLI deals. Nil, sorry nil deals and the same thing with how they're paying you know college athletes. They're they're going to put a you know some type of stipend on it or, or a limit like they do a cat.

[Joe]

I think this is this, I think this is good. Look, there needs to be rules in place with the NCAA Debo like we said with the nil coming in with it being so much money with finally now players honestly being able to get the paid for their name, image and likeness, being able to go sign autographs, being able to do the normal see things. You know what I'm saying? Because it's been so messed up for so long in the NCAA now they really just got to start getting this. So when you said too with transfer portals with rules with that, with Nil being able to set rules for that with just everything just trying to get a grip on the NCAA because it's low key now kind of starting to turn into the wild wild west and until you get rules, until you get certain things that where everybody like 27 year old just trying to come back into college because now oh they get nil. So I'm gonna go ahead and shoot my shot, see what I can do. No, college is a business now. It's also like, it's like a diminisher NBA. So now you're gonna have real live, legitimate 19 year old. This is where you. Between 19 to 24 year old everybody's going to be in here kind of the same age figuring out what's going on. So I think just with everything with the NCAA stuff just has to be structured so it's not like they can just start doing anything. So I think this is just the first thing where you can't be old as hell. You can't be having seven years. Just keep trying to reclass coming back. Something that has to be structured. With 19 years old, okay, you come into 20 now you have four years. So then there's legitimate rules to now we can stick to this thing. And now these are the ages of the people that are in college. So I'm rocking with it because you have to get some type of control or everybody's just going to try to find loopholes and try to do stuff to get back into the game. Because the money's coming now. Now you can get paid for playing in college. It's a business. So when businesses are like. So that's why with the whole ncaa, with college basketball, with college football, with them knowing now the money is coming in, it's really a business. It's not. They're not student athletes, they're athletes, you know what I'm saying that do go to the school. But understand they are bringing real revenue to these city schools. They're making real money. So there's going to be rules on a lot more of these things coming. So I'm just laying like this is just one of the first of many things where the NCAA is just trying to get grip and grasp on what's going on.

[Debo]

Yeah, I mean even right now already, I guess as soon as this rule went through it was. Why is it always chaos when we link up?

[Joe]

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[Debo]

What? Wednesday they had 15 basketball players, dude, that filed suit suing the NCAA for the age model. They filed suit in Cincinnati. The like already they're trying to. Oh no, you can't do. No, listen, this is a rule. Yes, you, you stuck like Chuck, bro. Like, and that's something else you, you heard. I think it was one of the, what was it paternal or one of the, what's his name, the basketball dude, Basketball coach. He's like, yo, he's like, it's grown men. He's like, I got, I gotta, I got a team full of 22, 23

[Joe]

year old girls older than the spurs. Right?

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Like, it's, it's, it's literally a little, a baby NBA.

[Debo]

Yeah, it's ridiculous, man. I don't, I don't feel like, I don't, I don't feel like, you know, you're giving any of these other kids a chance or opportunity, especially if you're letting these dudes play, you know, 25, 20, 24, 26 years old, whatever it is. And like, especially in basketball, bro, the development from, from, you know, being in football, like, it's, it's out of control, man. Like you trying to get your 18 year old son to come in there and he's competing against a guy that's, that's 23 and still got two more years left. What you think he gonna be able to do? And now that's why you had guys that are like, you know what? Okay, this is the new model. I see what they're doing. They're allowing us to get these two years and these guys that took these two years now to go do juco or whatever it is now, they're going to be behind eight ball and lose that year eligibility because they thought they were, you know, switching over to what the new program was going to be. And they're like, nah, brother, it ain't gonna be in the new pram. This is what we go do. It's the wild, wild west over here. The wild, wild west about to get shut down. We putting laws in place. We gonna go make sure that this doesn't happen anymore because you got guys that are trying to be professional cottage athletes like you. If you go, allow me to sit in there and get me, you know, six, seven years eligibility and right now where they paying, hell, that could be, that could be a whole seven, $15 million somewhere through there, if not more. You know what I'm saying? If not more. And when it comes down to it, they're trying to win college games. Just because you're a good or a great college athlete and you don't mean it's going to translate to you being one in the NFL. And a lot of these guys know that. They like, you know what? I'm a great college quarterb. I'm a great, I'm a great college run. I'm a great college. I know it's not gonna trans. You know what? Let me sit in here a little bit longer, get what I can and go to the next level later. And if I don't make it, I did what I could here. I got what I, I got. I, I maxed out here. That way if I don't make it here or they already know, like, yo, it's not, you know, you're not gonna be a, a generational, you know, talent at, at, at the NFL level, you know, Tebow, coldest quarterback in, in college football. But when he got to, to the pro, it didn't, it didn't switch over. Yep. And if he was getting paid back then, if I was a man, we

[Joe]

got that bad, bruh.

[Debo]

It was, they was, they was pulling down championships, man. Left right, brother. It can't, it can't, it can't, it can't get no better than that, man. It can't get no. Well or worse.

[Joe]

However you want, if you want to look eligibility day. Yeah, it's gonna be good though.

[Debo]

Seven years.

[Joe]

That's too long.

[Debo]

How do you get seven years? I understand, like, I Got it. You know, being hurt and then, you know, the COVID How many things I

[Joe]

know they gave you a red shirt.

[Debo]

It used to be. It used to be five to play four. When I first came in, it was five to play four. So you got to get a red shirt. But you. That gave you your five to play four. So you come in and say you wasn't ready. They red search you. You don't lose that year eligibility. So now you. Now they're giving you five to play five. That's still more than what it was when I came in. Hell, I messed up mine. And I only got. I got three to play three. Dude, I had a. I came in as a prop. I messed up my prop. So then I had to get my stuff. My grades and degree progress together for the next year. So I lost. I lost my red shirt and a year of eligibility. So I only got to play three years.

[Joe]

Damn. I only played three years. I got. Graduated early, went to Florida. Freshman, sophomore, junior year, out of there. I didn't three debo. You.

[Debo]

You got. You got eligibility. Don't jump on there. Get you. Get you a year. You know, man, y' all need to help. Y' all need to love it.

[Joe]

I'm finishing school. I'm gonna finish school at Florida. Probably get a little online vibe.

[Debo]

You already gonna be on campus, man,

[Joe]

I can't jump on that team, man. I go hurt. The Gators have us out there looking crazy. They need me. They got problems, boy. We getting bummed up if I'm out there.

[Debo]

Y' all do got problems, man. Y'.

[Joe]

All. No, man, we gonna get. We back.

[Debo]

We about.

[Joe]

We about to get back, right?

[Debo]

Listen, bro, I'm telling you right now,

[Joe]

look, Tim Tebow would have been able to get that nil. $10 million a year back in the day for show at least. Oh, easy. My man was out there pushing the 4 Taurus 97 Ford Taurus. Tebow was out there, man, just as no drinking.

[Debo]

Is that heavier than a Ghost?

[Joe]

No, it was light. It was light or a rain joint. Four doors, though. We look, we got. Same thing got him from point A to point B.

[Debo]

I'm just. I was just asking the question. You know what I'm saying? I was. You know what I'm saying? I was just. I was just wondering if it was. You know, I don't know what the weight is on a.

[Joe]

On a Wraith, you know, I don't. I don't. I don't look at that. The LBs.

[Debo]

You don't look at that. You don't even worry about how much. You don't even look at the number. That's what they say. Hey, listen, if you gotta ask how

[Joe]

much of the cost, you can't afford it.

[Debo]

Don't you say, I want a white one in the black.

[Joe]

That's nice. Let me take those twice.

[Debo]

That's what. Yes. Yeah, see? See? See?

[Joe]

Yeah, y'.

[Martha]

All.

[Debo]

Y' all see, that's nice.

[Joe]

Let me spend twice. Yeah.

[Debo]

Yeah, Joe. Okay, I'm trying to tell y', all, man. I've been trying to tell y', all, man. He could buy two car, but he can't get no.

[Joe]

Hey, you see? You see? You see, my WI fi was on point today.

[Debo]

Oh, what did you do?

[Joe]

Man, I called. I called them folks, man. I called them folks up at us.

[Tab Ramos]

What'd they do?

[Debo]

Did they come out?

[Tab Ramos]

What?

[Joe]

They say they ain't came out, but they're gonna be out here. They gonna be out here today after.

[Debo]

Oh, did they have to.

[Joe]

Did they.

[Debo]

Did they tell you just unplug it from the wall and plug it back in?

[Joe]

They told me to. They told me to unplug it and plug it, wait 30 seconds to, then plug it back in. Wait till we counted 30. I said, Mississippi. She was like, yeah. I'm like, dang. I bet.

[Debo]

Listen, Joe, that mansion you got with all them people over there, man, you can't have 30 people on the wifi at the same time. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

You have to upgrade. You got to upgrade your signal, you got to upgrade your service. You know what I'm saying? All that great service you got over there, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Telling you.

[Debo]

Listen, I'm trying to tell you, Joe, I ain't had to do nothing. All I did was go ahead and just said, you know what y' all say it don't work right, But I know the numbers may not show it like me, Joe. My numbers didn't show it. They said, he's short. They say, they. They say, he's slow. They. I said, put me on the field and watch me work.

[Joe]

That's what you did.

[Debo]

That's what I did with this Internet. I said, hey, hey. Y' all talking about it's slow, it ain't gonna work. Hey, my Internet, like me, put it on there and let it work.

[Joe]

You see? That's a good man.

[Debo]

And what they say, once they seen it in action, they say, oh, man.

[Joe]

They said.

[Debo]

They said, your.

[Joe]

Your view is clearer than Joe's view.

[Debo]

We don't know how it. Cuz my Internet, like me, it worked, man. I'm just telling.

[Joe]

Listen. Listen to this. Did you see Giannis go to the Heat? Okay. And that's why I'm repping my Heat jersey right now, Braun. Because it's not about. It's not. It's really about bronze still.

[Debo]

So you switching home?

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's always bronze. It's always Braun. No matter what, it's bronze.

[Tab Ramos]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Just for you right now, Devo, let me show you. It's Braun when he's in the All Star Game. It's Braun when he's in the Olympics. It's Braun in the All Star Game in la.

[Debo]

Okay, okay.

[Tab Ramos]

In the land.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying? Snakeskin Braun always in the land. You know what I'm saying?

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Rookie Braun.

[Debo]

Okay. God. Oh, what you do. You went to that, man,

[Joe]

and it's.

[Debo]

Oh, all that mother.

[Joe]

And then it's McDonald's All American High school brawn.

[Debo]

Oh, you went and bought all that.

[Joe]

So just letting you know yesterday,

[Debo]

Let me see the time, LeBron side of that one.

[Joe]

It's not about the Heat. It's about.

[Debo]

Let me see the tag on him.

[Joe]

So when I tell you this, I tell you this, man.

[Debo]

If I had some money, I go get me some Jordan stuff, too. If I had some.

[Joe]

It's about LeBron James. So I say that to say LeBron James.

[Debo]

LeBron James.

[Joe]

You can stay in LA if you want to. You could go to Cleveland if you want to. You can go to Miami if you want to. Wherever you go, Jody's going. That's all I know. That's all I know. That's the damn show. Cause I'm following Braun since high school till now, Braun has been brawning

[Debo]

like the Browns be brown. Bron is the good bronze,

[Joe]

Winning the most points of all time.

[Debo]

That's how terrible. LeBron always brawning you out here.

[Joe]

Don't we ever say Braun is Browning. I said the Browns need to start brawning.

[Debo]

Listen, as good as LeBron is for Browning, the Browns are terrible for Browning. That's the level of consistency.

[Joe]

But in two opposite rounds, my Browns are going to start brawning and wait till it happens.

[Debo]

No, it's not.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Oh, my God.

[Joe]

I get.

[Debo]

Oh, my.

[Joe]

But Brown start brawning. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Debo]

Stop it.

[Joe]

Yeah, Debo, I'm telling you, it's gonna happen. So it's not even about the Heat. You talking about me switching sides. I love basketball, but I tell you, Braun James and Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan still rocking, but I'm talking. Michael LeBron James is still playing basketball right now.

[Debo]

Hey, you know what I'm tell Jordan? Take away your damn shoes. I'm calling Michael Jordan. Everybody. Put what Michael Jordan in here texting. Put him in the stream. Hey, put him in the stream and tell him. Jordan.

[Joe]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Debo]

Joe Hayden, the Jordan supposed to be representative for your brand, is over here talking about you ain't.

[Joe]

I ain't never said that. Don't put the word in my mouth like that. Do not. Michael Jordan. I never say that.

[Debo]

He's tripping. Run the tape back and y' all put some AI on his voice.

[Joe]

I'll never say that. You mess up my Jordan, man. Jordan, look out. I got Jordan tatted. I got Jordan. Michael Jordan right here. M.J. for the brand. Come on, man. M.J. know what? M.J. know what, M.J. know what it

[Debo]

is on this side.

[Joe]

But we're talking about. Listen here.

[Debo]

Like I said, I'm all. I'm all with LeBron James aka Riley. Raleigh, west side.

[Joe]

Come on. You know what time.

[Debo]

Yes. Lebron James, all that.

[Joe]

So I'm just trying to figure out what I'm just trying to figure out and go to the Braun mess around. Braun mess around and go to the heat again for the lo. I'm right back in South Beach. Turn. Ooh,

[Debo]

ooh.

[Joe]

It was turned in Miami for those. For those four years. Well, I was sad.

[Debo]

Hey, man, listen, Brian gotta go back to Cleveland. He gotta finish it where he started off.

[Joe]

Yeah. I'm here for all Definitely. Definitely. Ron James is in control. Wherever you go, Brian. Wherever you go.

[Debo]

I'm rocking with the landtail end. Get one more on the way out right there.

[Joe]

Where you go back to the land

[Debo]

on the way out if you don't

[Joe]

feel like going to the way on the land on the way out. Not mad. I'm going wherever we going, Bron. You just let me know. You let me know. Straight up. That's how I'm rocking.

[Debo]

Brown still suck. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, we'd like to thank you for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get your show.

[Joe]

Yo, come on, man. We will see you guys on Monday. Appreciate the love. Same time, same place. Let's get it.

[Debo]

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