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I turned off news altogether.
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I hate to say it, but I
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don't trust much of anything.
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It's the rage bait.
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It feels like it's trying to divide people.
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We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.
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NBC News brings you clear reporting.
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Let's meet at the Facts.
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Let's move forward from there.
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NBC News reporting for America. What's up, y'?
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All?
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Summer's got a different tempo. Everything's a little looser, brighter. One plan turns into another. You hear something, you stay a little longer. Next thing you know, you're somewhere you didn't plan to be. It's those in between moments.
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That's where the ideas hit.
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Conversations stretch out. Little memories sneak up on you. Sometimes it's just about what's in your hand. That color.
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That chill.
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Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, or osa, in adults with obesity? They may be happening to you without you knowing. If anyone has ever said you snored loudly or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability and concentration issues, it may be due to osa. OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at don'tsleep on osa.com this information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company. Hi, it's Karen and Georgia from My Favorite Murder.
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We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamarr.
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Take a listen. She starts dating Howard Hughes and in fact, she helps him design a faster plane. So she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of what the two would look like as a plane and that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy and Lamar and Billie Jean King.
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We ain't turning, we ain't turning. We ain't turning. No goals down long as long as they help us advance. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc, my partner and co host who was in attendance at today's game. That's the Liberty City legend. That's the Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, a former pro bowler and an all pro. That is Chad Ochocinko. Johnson and the third member of the Big Three on the road doing dad duties today. He's a seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks. He He's a University of Arkansas alum, a Little Rock, Arkansas native. Y' all know him. The clutch bucket getter that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support and your continued support. We greatly greatly appreciate it because thanks to you your eyes, ears and word of mouth Nightcap has been able to grow exponentially. And thanks to you we shall continue to grow. So again, thank you for your support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shea by La Portier head over to laportiercognac.com to purchase you a bottle if it's currently unavailable in a city or state near you. Remember, it is a premium VSOP Cognac. The best tasting, smoothest VSOP Cognac on the market. It drinks like an XO and we have it in two sizes. The 750 is the OG 375 is the Junior but it's the same great quality, the same great taste, the same smoothness. But please, please Drake responsibly and stay safe. The game we mentioned it was only a matter of time. Freeman scored a goal versus Australia on Juneteenth. How fitting. Can't get much better than that. Alex Freeman, son of Packers All Pro wide receiver Antonio Freeman, with a huge head of goal to help the USA go up to all. The last time the US men won back to back one back to back matches in the World cup was during the inaugural tournament in 1930. 96 years since the US have won back to back. Normally oo we win one, we lose one, we win one, we draw or we lose lose. But we finally won games back to back. Ojo, you're in attendance. What did you like about what you saw from the usa?
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I mean what I like what I saw from the usa. Obviously consistency on a buildup on what we did last week against Paraguay. Obviously last week. Very impressive. It shocked a lot of people including myself who's been watching the United States men's national team since 1994 when I got a better understanding in actually what I was watching and why you laughing Joe? Oh hey, hey young boy, you shout out hey. But to see us play like this.
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I believe that we did win. I believe that we did win.
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Hey to have it, to have a great first Half, obviously we kind of sputtered in the second half a little bit, but obviously we weren't able to let. God damn.
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What happened?
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Oh, Australia. Yes. I'm getting ready to say paragraph. We weren't able to let Australia get anything in the back of the net outside of that. The first half we dominated in every phase of the game. Every phase.
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We did look good.
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We had some good chances. So we look good. I'm excited, I'm happy, I'm optimistic. We on to the round of 32. So you know what, whoever we got next, bring them on, man.
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Bring them on. Boosie College one heck of a dog.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Flash like.
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Hey, hey.
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I. I like you. I like how you fanatic that over there, man. I like.
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Yeah. What happened? Where the jersey?
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I know I'm on the road, uncle. I forgot. I ain't gonna lie to you. I forgot it.
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I forgot.
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I'm have to. I'm gonna have to find something. Listen, I. Hey, look, I thought we played great. Two back to back wins and I don't know how long, but I, I feel like we played a couple mediocre teams, fellas in Paraguay and AR and who we played Australia. But I want to see us on the big stage, man. You know, when we play against Germany, you know, you know, Argentina, some, some
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of them big dogs.
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But, but, but listen, don't get me wrong now. Win is a win. I enjoy watching it. I. I love the excitement, you know, for my first time, really just sitting down watching a full game, you know. Man. Hey, hey, hey. Team usa, baby. I'm all the way. I'm with him.
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Feel like Apollo Creed living in America.
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Hey, man, hey, look on our home. So normally on the home soil, no matter what it is, Olympics, it's the Winter Olympics, the Summer Olympics, it's the World Cup. Normally the host team performs very, very well. You look at the Olympics when they were in China. You look at the Olympics when they're in London. You look at the Olympics in 84. No matter where the Olympics are, you go back and look at the Winter Olympics and whether they in Lillehammer or Lake Placid or whatever the case may be, Utah, you know, wherever. I feel it should be the same way, especially with us in soccer. Now I understand, Ocho, it's not. I mean, you probably gotta go way down on the list as far as America's favorite sports when it comes to, you know, football, basketball, baseball, some other sports. But still we're home and you know, you got a home field advantage because most of the state. Every stadium you go to and you play, the majority of the fans are going to be pulling for you. And so Link, tap into that. Obviously, you still got to play. The crowd can only do so much, but you do feel that sense of, like a pride, a sense of accomplishment that I'm playing in front of my host country and they're cheering me on. Because normally you don't. You know, you don't get that normally, you. Overseas. Every once in a while, we might have a friendly here or there, here in America, but it doesn't. It doesn't bring the country out. It doesn't bring the country together like this.
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Hey, the. The funny thing about it, too, is there are a few countries. Joe, uncle and Joe. That even when playing in the States, even though we're playing here and if we get an opportunity to play them, it will feel like we playing an away game. How well they travel. If.
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Even though we.
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What? Who.
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Who you talking about? Ocho.
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If we play Morocco.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Take over the stadium, Joe. If we play Saudi Arabia, they gonna take over the stadium. If we play Argentina, Spain, if we play Colombia, the whole state on our home. At home. In.
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In.
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In the States.
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But we got to worry about it with Mexico. Didn't they get sent home?
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Because you already know what it's gonna be in Mexico.
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Yeah, Mexico's playing well, too.
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No, we can't. We. We're not worried about. We're not worried about anybody. We on home field. We're home field advantage. And it should be. And it should be such.
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I'm with you. Right?
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Look, I like. Like I said, Antonio Freeman. I was just reading about him the other day, and I was like, damn. I was. It's funny that I was just reading about him. Antonio Freeman, son.
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And here he is.
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He done got the ball. He done. Hey, he played well.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Now I gotta get me another jersey. I gotta get. Because I ordered a balloon jersey and it won't be here until early July, so I gotta get.
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Hey, Balagun. The truth, ain't it, bro? Yeah, yeah, that was nice. Man, he. He all over the damn field out there.
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Good, good.
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I like that.
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Just. Just keep it going. Just get to the finals, man. Can you imagine? Oh, you. Y'. All. Y' all think there was a parade. Y' all think there was a parade. I can imagine. Can you imagine if the U. S. Won the world?
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I ain't gonna be. Hey, I can't imagine that. I ain't gonna lie. I can't I can't. It's just something, it's just, it's just some countries out there that's just known for football, and I just don't think we known for that. So for, for us to, we about
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to be known, we about to make a deep roll. Hey, we're about to make a deep run. Hell yeah.
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And when you think about it, too, every time it comes to the World cup, it's always the same eight countries.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And it's always the same a country. So if we happen to squeeze in there, you know, by, by sheer luck, hook or crook. Yep. Hey.
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Hey, Ocho, what the atmosphere was like out there?
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Oh, it was nice. It was nice. I mean, out here in Seattle, you already know what it's like the 12th, man, when the Seahawks are playing. So now you have all the fans. Hey, I, I, I walk to the stadium, Joe. I walk to the stadium with some of the fans. I, I blend right in with everybody else. So you would have to be paying attention to actually realize, wait a minute, there goes someone. No, but hey, I walked, I stood in line with everybody else. I sat in the crowd so I could enjoy the atmosphere and experience that atmosphere.
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Hold on, hold on. With your shades of darkness, you fit in.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's other black people like that, Joe.
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Nah. Yeah, they thought he was a team member of Nigeria, Senegal or something. You know, they like, hey, why you, why you got an American jersey, man? You singalese?
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Hey, that's race. Hey, that's racist.
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That's racist. That's all right. He raised with Ocho. What? Boy, what you doing?
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He wants him. Hey, hey, hey. You know, he wants some attention. You know how the Masters are.
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You want to go, hey, Ocho on the road in Seattle, you want to go to. Oh, you want to go see Ocho in Seattle? See what he doing? He can take you to the fish market. What you think? You go to the fish market, catch some fish. You like fish, don't you say? Not really.
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That's a.
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That boy.
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Big boy.
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He said, y' all ain't seen me in a minute.
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He hungry.
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He just ate. You want a snack? You want a treat? Yeah, man.
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Hey, hey, I'm out here in Minnesota, man. We got the nationals out here, man. My daughter, them out here doing their thing, doing. They want to. You feel me?
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Yeah. Hey, how they, how they doing?
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We're doing pretty good. They finna play again at 8 o', clock, so they doing all right, man, they, they holding it down, bro. They holding it down.
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Okay, Joe, you know, I used to play volleyball too. Did you? Right.
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What position?
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What position you play?
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A little bit. Everything. Joe, you know, it's a rotation now. You know that, Joe, every time you see.
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Were you outside hitter? You a blocker?
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Hey, I could dig with the best of them.
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Well, everybody have to dig, Ocho.
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I'm one of the better setting because I had a nice.
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Oh, you a setter. Okay.
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And I could jump out the gym. So my spike game.
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Hey, hey, hey, hey. My daughter playing the middle boy. I'm talking about. She had about.
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She was middle block. Okay? Blocks.
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I'm talking about whipping it. You hear me?
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Yeah.
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Okay. She's doing her thing out there.
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I like that, man.
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That's. That's awesome. That's awesome. I mean, I. I. Look, the only time I watch volleyball is when the Olympics come around. I watch the. I watch the men and the women. And we normally have a very good men's and women team along with the. The Brazilians normally have a great women's volleyball team. So do the Chi. The Chinese, the Russians, the Ukrainians. Same with the. The men. Croatia. Croatia has a good team, obviously, the Brazilians. So I always. I always watch it. I remember when they had, uh. The U.S. team had destiny, Hooker and Logan.
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Tom.
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They were. They were really. You talking about these and Car was the coach. I think Carter is still the coach. I think Car is still the ladies national volleyball coach.
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You talking about professional? Boy, they don't be playing.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Hey, them folks had a head over the knee. You hear me?
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Real deal.
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Oh, yeah. And I watch, you know, beach volleyball. The only time I watch that. Obviously you watch.
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You watch the girls beach volleyball.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I figured you like that. I figured you like that. Yeah.
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Misty, maybe volleyball, huh?
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You know who's really good in volleyball? Me. When I went into. When I went to Cincinnati as a rookie, went to ucla. Remember Danny Farmer?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do.
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But hey, Danny Farmer was a hell of a volleyball player, boy.
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Yeah. Kerry Walsh. That's her name. Kerry Walsh. I think she got married. Kerry Walsh. Jennings, I think that's her name. Misty May Train. I think they won three Olympics together. Yeah, they.
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They had a.
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They had a real good team. Yeah. And when. Who was it? It was Ken Stephenson, Dane Blanton. I think they won the inaugural in 96 in Atlanta. Was it? Yeah, I think. No, I think Ken Stephens, cuz him and what you call him used to be. I think Ken Stephens and Car used to be partners, but for the Olympics. Dane Blatton. He and I used to work out at the same gym. And. And he's the uc. I think he's the USC women's coach now. Dane is, but I forgot. Happy Juneteenth, everyone.
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Juneteenth.
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If you're celebrating, hopefully you're doing something fun. Juneteenth. When they actually they had been freed years earlier, but when they finally got the news, they're like, hold on, wait a minute. You mean to be telling we would be free for three years, y' all just not bringing us this through? What kind of bull jive is that? So everybody out there is celebrating. Happy Juneteenth.
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Yeah.
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Pulisic. He missed the game. Ocho with an injury left without the most dangerous attack and threat. Ocho. I thought they looked good even though Pulisic did not play. And that's what you have to do. Obviously you like for all your best players to play, but sometimes that might not be the case. And when your best players don't play, other guys will have an opportunity to. To step up. And that's what we saw today on the UF team.
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Yeah, they look really good, Uncle Joe. Really, really good in transition, you know, moving the ball really well. Everybody was very comfortable in the ball. Wes McKinney and Tyler Adams really dominated. You know, the midfield really control the pace and being able to dictate what we wanted to do. But I mean, we played well, obviously, you know, and Freeman getting his header, you know, young dude. I used to train with him. He was at Inter Miami. At Inter Miami when he went to. When he was young, young, young. And I used to go out and play with them boys. So to see how far come and doing really well, you know, at the biggest stage at the World cup and getting his first. First World cup goal. That got to be a great feeling, man. That got a great feeling, especially as a father.
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When is the. When does the US Play again? Ocho?
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You know what? Oh, that's a great one.
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Thursday.
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Yeah. Against Turkey.
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Right on plus nicotine pouches present comfort chronicles. A 10 o' clock tee time. How comfortable you show up in stretchy shorts, a breathable tee and maybe no soc. Let the dogs breathe. While other sweat and pleated khakis. You're in your comfort zone. Bombing drives and in your pocket. On nicotine pouches. The softest pouch on the planet. Buy a can@onnicotine.com Products for tobacco consumers 21 years of age or older. Warning. This product contains Nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.
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Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, or osa, in adults with obesity? They may be happening to you without you knowing. If anyone has ever said you snored loudly, or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability and concentration issues, it may be due to osa. OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation. Learn more at. Don't sleep on OSA.com this information is provided by Lily, a medicine company. Hi, it's Karen and Georgia from My favorite Murder.
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We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamarr.
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Want the full story?
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Take a listen. Hedy. She starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon. Do you know a lot about him?
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I mean, I watch the Aviator, so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed
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me to know about him.
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But incredible innovator, right?
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She says he's a, quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well.
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Give us exactly.
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I know they do get along intellectually, and in fact, she helps him design a faster plane. She takes a look at what he's designed. It's got these square wings, and she's like, that doesn't make sense. And so she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of, like, what the two would look like as a plane. And that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy and Lamarr and Billie Jean King.
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Presented by the Hyundai Ioniq 5.
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Goodbye.
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I hate to say it, but I
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don't trust much of anything.
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It's the rage bait.
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It feels like it's trying to divide people.
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We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.
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NBC news brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts.
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Let's move forward from there. NBC News, reporting for America. Put that beat on Joe. Fried turkey. Fried turkey. Gobble, gobble, gobble. Hey, hey, anybody? When we win free hair transplants and veneers.
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And you know what? You know, that's a good thing too, because we might, we might sweep the group.
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That's the goal.
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Yeah, we probably gonna sweep the group. We gonna go three and O and then, you know, we get ready for the round of 32. Now it gets a little bit more difficult now. Some of the teams taper off, you know, the level of competition and the quality of players.
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Hey, hey, it's a good thing they gave us a little soft group play too, boy. Hey, where we can get on about it.
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And we gotta get our confidence, Joe. There you go.
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That's what I'm talking about, huh? Yeah, we gonna need it.
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Yeah, that's all we need. Hey, got get that momentum. Hey, we on home. So watch. I don't know, Ocho, is it me or. It seems like the team that score first have a decided advantage in soccer
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in a sense. But there's a saying a two goal lead is the worst thing to have. In the game of soccer, goal lead is the worst thing to have because not only you relax, it's just the level of talent. And when the momentum shifts. It's weird how it's much easier for the other team to score at some point, but they gonna get a goal. But right now you're seeing discrepancies because the playing field, the level of quality is not even. It's lopsided, it's top heavy. So that's one of the reasons why we look as good as we do. The past two weeks. We play in Australia, we play in Paraguay, but I mean, you'll see the difference as it gets closer and the margin of error becomes very, very small.
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Well, you know, normally as long as they kill, they kept us out of that group of death, you know, because there was one year they put us in the group of death and they already knew what was going to happen. Hey, after the first game, like, yeah, we go ahead, pack our bag. We ain't doing nothing.
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It's just tough, man.
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Yeah, absolutely. So hopefully having a couple of weeks, Ocho, hopefully Pulisic is back. You know, he missed this game. He got hurt last Friday. He missed this game. So two weeks, he should be back. Obviously, as you go further, you want your best, your best players to play, to be able to play. And so hopefully that'll be the case with him.
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E
I mean, listen, the part, I mean, we. I mean, starting in. In Pulisic's place was Ricardo Pepe, who's really good. He's really good. You know, being. Being able to tag Zoe, play out there on the wing on Joe.
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D
Oh, yeah, he moved, he moved, he aggressively.
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E
He gonna push the pace, he gonna attack and open things up for other, other people. He's not Pulisic.
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D
Hey, hey.
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E
But he's good.
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D
Can you tell me something? What's up with all this flopping out there in soccer, bro? It's worse than damn basketball the way they out there flopping, man.
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C
Oh, yeah, that's where they got it from.
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E
Hey, it's a little tactic at times. It's a little tactic at times to give players a break. To give. Let your players let your teammates get a rest. But sometimes it ain't flopping. You get kicked and you step on with them studs. Hey, thought they using them 7 studs cause the grass wet, right?
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I saw them doing the intermission. I think they had a break or something. They was watering down the field.
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E
Hydration break.
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C
Yeah, yeah, hydration. That's what they call the hydration break, right?
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D
I got huge admiration for those guys because, boy, like, just like boxers and soccer, I mean, you got to be in some damn shape.
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E
What crazy shape, Joe? You running 45 minutes straight. The only time you. Only time you get the rest maybe if the ball is on the other side of the field. But when the ball is on the other side of the field, your off the ball movement still has to be on point just in case it rotate back to you. So you really, really never get a chance. The only person who rests and legitimately the goalie walk. Probably eight. Not only the goalie, but when you watch Messi play, Joe, when you watch Messi play, he literally is just standing still, slowly moving.
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D
Once he gets a wrap, he out of there, man. Boy got handled like Kyrie with his feet, don't he, man?
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E
And listen, he got the ball on the ring.
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C
I already know.
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D
I'm checking him out.
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C
Zolatan Ibrahimovic said he thinks the United States men's national team has a chance to win the World Cup. Imrahimovich. One word reply. Yes. When former Sweden star asks on FOX post game show if the US Had a chance to go all the way this tournament, defender Chris Richards doesn't think it's a wild idea either. I don't think it's ridiculous to say that we want to win it. Obviously we have a lot more games before we get to that moment, but, you know, we take one game at a time. We want to lift a trophy by the.
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D
Yes.
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E
Hey, the funny thing, the great thing about this, right, is Chris Richards, he's supposed to say that. He's supposed to say that. Now to hear from a Sweden legend, you know, the icon Ibrahimovic Zlatan. To say that, obviously, maybe you're working for Fox.
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C
How you pronounce his name? Zolotan.
- [28:30]
E
No, it's Latin.
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C
Zlatan.
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E
Yeah. To hear Ibrah say something like that
- [28:40]
C
so many times. I know that one.
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E
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, but to hear somebody like him say that, who knows what it takes. Even though he might not have won one, but he understands the level of talent and that the gauntlet of countries we have to go through to actually get there. And he's one that don't lie. He, he definitely ain't lying.
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C
Yeah. So he very matter of fact. And you guess what, Ocho? We ain't got to go through all of them. Some of them country gonna have to play each other knock the damn self out. That makes it seem like we got to play Morocco and Portugal and Argentina and all these hard ass. Mexico, all these. No, no, no, no. They gonna play some of these teams gonna play each other and knock each other out. Yeah.
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E
Hey, hey. The Netherlands. It's the same team every year. Spain, Netherlands, England, Argentina, Portugal gonna be in there. Who I'm missing, who I'm missing, who I'm missing. They're gonna be a dark horse that's gonna surprise everybody. We might possibly be that dark horse this year.
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C
That's us. We the dark horse. Ocho.
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E
It may be like, you know, in football every year we have a team that surprises us and comes out of nowhere and has a. Has a great season and end up in the. That we could be the dark horse this year at the World Cup. I'm hoping.
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C
I hope so too, man. That thing gonna be for. Oh, you forgot France. Oh, France.
- [29:55]
E
Oh, man, listen. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe boy. France is like, I'm trying to think the equivalent of France in basketball terms of a team that's really stacked from top to bottom. Remember how well OKC looked structured. Whether. Whether Shay played or not, they still float. And we're really good matrix. That's exactly what France is like. Every position from the midfield to the back line to the attacking three. You take the attacking three out and you put the subs in. Even that, Joe, it's ridiculous. The quality.
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D
Hey, listen, I know we all want USA to win, but realistically, Ocho, when you look at it, who do you think, who you think really has a real shot at this?
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E
All right, My heart, I would love Cristiano to win a World Cup.
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C
It ain't happening, Ocho.
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E
Listen, you ain't got to tell me, but the way they playing, the way they playing as far as Portugal, everybody, everybody out there is playing hero ball. They, they not, they not doing things or playing thing. Playing the game the right way. I think France might get it again. They wanted 18 when Mbappe. When Mbappe was young, young. He was young as hell. Argentina is going to be in the mix again, but for some reason I think France might win it this year.
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C
Yeah, it's. If we get anything like what we got last year in the finals with Mbappe and Messi going head to head, that was as good a World cup match as you're going to see. You got the two big guns and they go and they going at it.
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E
Yeah. Hey, remember what I just told you. A two goal lead is the worst lead to have in soccer. Remember, Argentina was winning two zero and then six minutes later, Joe, the game ties six, six because I mean the game time two, two because. Minute, minute though it wasn't even six minutes. And Bobby score one is like.
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C
And he got it and got another one like a few. A few minutes later, right?
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E
Right back to back. Boom. Game time is that fast.
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C
So we gonna get that trophy. According to ESPN's Mike Wright, the Spurs are committed to De' Aaron Fox. The spurs remain committed to Fox as their franchise starting point guard. One rough series, essentially playing on one leg doesn't Change that. The four year, $229 million contract extension Fox signed last summer. Click said kicks in next next summer. So he goes from 37.1 to 49.8. He's scheduled to make $61 million in the final year of the deal. In 2930 he'll be just 32 years of age. It is, it's expected that calls for Harper's camp for a spark in the starting lineup will grow louder and louder going into next season. But it's not an issue San Antonio needs to address right now. Fox contract won't become a potential eyesore until Wimy's upcoming rookie extension kicks in. And when the spurs are looking the next summer to extend Castle. What should be a max deal. Joe, it's a great thing to have young talent. We saw this with okc. They get Shay done, you get J Dub done, you get Chet done. But damn. And okay, you just gave Fox's money. Women gonna want his money. Castle gonna want his money. Something you have to do with Harper. You can't have four guys on the max contract. I don't give a damn how much you win it.
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E
How many? How many?
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D
Probably three at the.
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C
Three.
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D
Yeah, three at the most. But.
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C
And then you're gonna end up having to get off one of them.
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D
But at the same time, if I'm saying Antonio, you know, you kind of ride it to the. To, you know, Fox, I mean for the next couple years. Cause you gonna be able to pay Wimby, you'll be able to play Castle. But when Harper come up, somebody ass gotta go. Somebody got to go. It's just period point blank. I'm saying.
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C
Hold on. You just said you're gonna have to
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D
pay him max dollars. You can't have four max guys on your team, Ocho.
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C
Yeah, you'll be. You'll be in the second tier. You'll be playing more. You'll be paying more in. In bonus and penalties than you salaries.
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E
Fox would be going by that time. And you just. You should.
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D
Yeah, well, I mean you gotta.
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C
But that's what I'm saying. They're gonna have. They would have to move off one of them. That's what Joe is saying. They gonna have. Hey, you can't have four. The max you could have is three. And then when you have three, because I think OKC's gonna lose Wallace. Wallace is going to want big bucks. Somebody gonna pay Wallace big bucks. A guy that can shoot the three. A guy that can defend like that. Joe, they can't.
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D
I think. I think they probably gonna lose. Dork versus. I think they gonna try to keep Wallace on.
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C
How you gonna keep it, Joe? He gonna want 25 million a year,
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D
man, if I'm okay. See, it's gonna be hard to let Wallace go, bro.
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C
Yeah, you have. How you got a choice, Joe. You remember now you still got those three first round picks that you need to do something with. You have to let them go. You have to trade. Oh yeah.
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D
You got what?
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C
And you got Caruso on big bucks and no whammy. And you got heart. What you gonna do? You let Hardenstein go. You.
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D
Hey, listen, at some point, man, you go, you.
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C
Some.
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D
Some of them got. I think the, the most disheartening thing with. With OKC is that they. They were hampered with injuries throughout this whole postseason. So you never really got to see what they were like at full strength. So I don't count them out. I still think, you know, they got a chance if they healthy, if J Dub can stay healthy. But damn, to lose Wallace and Dork. Those are your blue collar, hard working guys, bro. If you lose them to hell, damn.
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C
Well, you. Well, you're gonna lose. Door, you're not gonna pay. Door, I think you. You're not gonna pay. Dort. He gonna be looking for 20 something, man. You're not paying him that there. And while it's gonna be a wanting 20, 25 million, I don't see them paying him that there. Especially when you got Caruso on the number that you got him on. I see you, bro. I see you.
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D
I. I think I. I think when you look at it, if I'm Case and Wallace, you know, because, man, it ain't always. It ain't always a given that when you go to another team, bro, that you gonna shine like you think you are. You know what I mean?
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C
Like, would they pay me my money? Would they pay me that 20? Would they pay me that five year? 125. Okay? That's what. Yeah, it look good to me. Hey, A.J. because I know a guy named Joe Johnson. Say, hey, man, you know, hey, feeding your last. Nobody was over here. Cause there's something over there. I don't know if we gonna win in Atlanta like we do it in Phoenix, but I came up with a single pay home. I didn't go.
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D
I knew we weren't gonna win like that. But see, here's the thing. When you are unrestricted, when you're a restricted free agent, it's like they'll tell all the teams. Oh, man, y' all might not want to pay Joker. We gonna match anything that y' all gonna give him. So that's to scare off. That's to scare the other teams off so they can come in and lowball you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Where you do like me doing my. Doing my negotiation period? I had to get on the phone. Me and my agent aren't telling. We on the phone with Robert Solver, and I had to tell him, hey, look, bro, don't match, bro. Just let me go, bro. You know what I mean?
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C
So Joe, where is this new at? Joe, don't you tell that girl he ain't gonna do what I do for you. We do that all the time. Oh, he. Oh you. Oh, you think that man gonna take you on trips? You think he gonna buy you flower and buy these nice ass purses like me?
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D
Listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. I didn't really want to have to do it, but my agent was like, man, you gonna have to get on the phone with him and tell them not to match cuz they scaring teams off. You feel what I'm saying? So in case and Wallace situation, we don't really know what he really thinking. Uncle.
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C
Do.
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D
Do guys want to get paid? Yes, but I think situation matters too. You know what I mean? To some degree.
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C
Joe, let me ask you a question. Had you won a ring already in Phoenix, it had been a no brainer, wouldn't it? You wouldn't even fought twice because you already have a championship. How many more championships I need is that going to change the way people look at me? Casey Wallace says if I win two championships in okc, are people looking at me like they look at Shay? Are there people looking at me? If they look like they look at Jalen Brunson? If he get to. Absolutely not. Let me go ahead and take this one and go get.
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D
Yeah, I understand what you're saying and I respect that too. But I think the chemistry and continuity that some of these guys have with each other and these teams, bro, I think some of these guys, you know, they don't necessarily want to leave Uncle Ocho, but if the money is too, it's too good. Hey, I mean you ain't got no choice.
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C
Look at what Caruso made. I think Caruso make damn near 30 million a year. They're gonna give him a comparable. Somebody gonna give him five years. 125, 150.
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D
Okay. See. Yeah, okay. See. Gotta make some changes now. They gotta make some changes.
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E
Yeah.
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C
So if Caruso make 195 on a deal that he got paid? Caruso wouldn't he do. He just redid that deal. That right? Four years, 81. What is Wallace gonna get? Wallace is younger.
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D
You get by. He get about a Hun done.
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C
Yes, sir. So you. So you're gonna have two guys coming off the bench making a damn near 100 million Hun Joe.
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D
That's gonna be. That's gonna be tough, man. That's gonna be tough. But hey, look, when you look at it in San Antonio situation, you know, you can afford to, you know Pay Fox that these first. These next couple years, hopefully you win a title out of it, and then you have a situation to where you like, damn, we done won a title. So we can't let Harper get out of here. Gotta pay Castle. Hell, women gonna break the bank. You gonna be a team full of G leaguers.
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C
Yeah, yeah, but that. But you. It's a blessing and a curse because you're like, okay, the guys that we drafted, they're really, really good, and they're paying off, but guess what? We got to pay them in order to keep them. And that's what okc. Okay. He's like, hey, when they trade for Trey, they knock it out of the park with J Dub. They get check, they get Wallace, they make great trades, and they get Hardenstein, and they get a Caruso. You get Isaiah Joe, you get all those guys. You're like, well, damn, boy, we doing okay. I want to call you up, call you up. Clay Bennett call you and say, hey, bro, look at this. This was going out. They were coming in. Now either you find another way to make some more come in, or guess what's gonna go out.
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D
And. And when you look at it, it's. It's just like football. Uncle Ocho, the quarterback, when he on that rookie. When he on that rookie contract, you got maximize. You got to maximize. You got to pay them guys around him, and hopefully and he can get you that same thing with San Antonio. You got Wimby and Harp on these rookie deals, and you ain't got to pay them right now. So you got to try to maximize what you can get from them or put the. Put the right pieces around them so you can try and win a title. Because when you have to start paying these dudes, things start to get different, bro.
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C
Yeah. Cause Castle about the. Castle about to get on the. Castle about to get on a match. After that, he gonna get.
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D
Boy gonna get about 250.
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C
Women gonna get by 2. By 300.
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D
They would get women about 320.
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C
And then. And then. And then Harper coming behind it so that go 10 increase. So that'd be about 3:30.
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E
Harper gonna make more than Wimby if
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C
he no Wimby, because Wimby has been on all NBA selection and a dpo. Y. You need to get one of those titles. You need to be an all NBA or. Or you need to be a. A all defensive player. Now you get to be into that supermax. Jaylen Duran. Remember, he made 13 all NBA, so now he's eligible for a super. Now if without that, he's probably 250. With that. Now you're talking 293 10.
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D
Hey, boy. Hey, it's. Hey, it's good, boy. Hey, when it's. When it's good, it's good. You hear me?
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C
But here's the thing though. How long? Because they say Harper's in his camp now. Hey, this is what's being reported. Of all the things they could have put out there. He said he gonna want to report him, that he gonna want a spot in that starting lineup. Yeah, that's what's being reported.
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D
Go.
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C
Hey, hey, hey. What he reports coming from you already know.
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E
Inside the house. Inside the house.
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B
But hold on.
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E
Even with them report, Joe, uncle just said what, what did the spurs say? We are committed to keeping who, okay?
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C
And the first check, and guess what, you keep, you keep putting your foot down, these guys will leave your ass. It ain't like it used to be, Joe. Before, like probably that, that, that, that group before you got there where they, these players loyal. These players are not loyal to these teams. Now they'll leave your ass in a minute. They'll take that four year deal and in three years they're back and they're able to sign a five year deal. So you keep on a. And that's what makes it so tough to coach in time. You've got to handle these guys with kick gloves you would like. And you actually think they holding the hope down or something. Because if you don't,
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D
hey, and think about it. For San Antonio, he had two key guys on their team, Versailles and Champagne. Yeah, you want to keep them guys, Uncle Ocho, but it's going to be hard to keep them.
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B
Hard.
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C
It's hard because Versailles are 3 and
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D
D. Yeah,
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E
that's a good problem to have, though. It's a good problem to have early.
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D
But see, the thing is you still get a chance to run it back next year and not have to worry about all that. So, you know, hopefully they can get back to the promised land and have different results. But it's tough, man. You know, you have to maximize when you got great players on them. Rookie contracts, bro, you got to do whatever you can to maximize that and put great pieces around those guys.
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C
I think that's why it was, it was imperative you look at what Kansas City did with the homeboy. Yeah, Ocho, think about it. They got a couple of years when he's on that rookie contract. And so now I can put. I can go out and get a Sammy Watkins. I can go out and get pieces and add around it.
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E
Yes.
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C
Because next year, that thing, that salary kicks in, it's gonna be 64 million a year for the next four years.
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E
But you know what they're gonna do? They're gonna play games and manipulate.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. He got 238 guaranteed. Damn. He already made by two something. He done made two.
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E
Hey, Joe.
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D
Big sign.
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C
Oh, yeah.
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D
And he worked it, though.
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C
He worked.
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D
He worked.
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C
Oh, yeah. They keep advancing the ball. They gotta. They're gonna have to do something. They're gonna have to do something with a. What you call them?
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E
Who that?
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C
With this spot. This. This. This bear's watching. Vesel offered some information that he didn't have to. That's what let the cat out of the bag. But he said that at different points in time this season, he was upset with the role that he was given.
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A
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We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamarr.
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B
Want the full story? Take a listen.
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F
Hedi. She starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon. Do you know a lot about him?
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B
I mean, I watch the Aviator, so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed
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C
me to know about him.
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B
But incredible innovator, right?
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F
She says he's a, quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well.
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C
Give us examples.
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F
I know they do get along intellectually. And in fact, she helps him design a faster plane. She takes a look at what he's designed. It's got these square wings. And she's like, that doesn't make sense. And so she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of, like, what the two would look like as a plane. And that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode, spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy Lamar and Billie Jean King.
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Presented by the Hyundai Ioniq 5.
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Goodbye.
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F
I turned off news altogether.
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C
I hate to say it, but I
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D
don't trust much of anything.
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C
It's the rage bait.
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B
It feels like it's trying to divide people.
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C
We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.
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A
NBC News brings you clear reports reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there.
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C
NBC News, reporting for America. He didn't have to say that, but
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E
we know that even if he didn't say it.
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C
Yes, yes, right.
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E
But most of the time, you don't hear players voice their displeasure about the role that they play.
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C
And so now he's like, hold on, I can make a case. Throughout the five games, I was the second best player, and there were some nights I was the best player on the Spurs. And I'm coming off the bench and guys are gagging left and right, and I'm still sitting on the bench and guys are still playing more games than me.
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D
Hey, hey, when you think about it, if I'm Harper, I don't want the James Harden effect, meaning, like, you know, when James was in okc. Yeah. He was a hell of a player, but he came off the bench his entire tenure in okc, and obviously when he went to Houston, he turned into somebody who probably nobody even seen. You know what I mean? I think Harper. No, I think Harper has the exact same type of talent, bro.
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C
So hold on.
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E
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe, hold on, Joe. Hold on, Joe. Now let's understand how great James Harden was at his apex when he was in Houston. Are you saying Harper had that same potential to do the same thing?
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D
Yeah, I think. I think he got that same type of potential. Ocho. Yeah.
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C
Okay, but you have to understand, the Ocho, he wasn't allowed to play like that, right? KC he went to Houston where he was the dog. And so they gave him the ball, and you got an opportunity to see what he can do as the lead dog. And he could get as many shots as he want. And they had guys around him that would defend and rebound and get the ball.
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E
I mean, but for Joe to say he sees similar similarities and thinking that he can do that if he wasn't on the Spurs.
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D
Hey, that Ocho. Ocho, you put Dylan Harper in that role. Cooper Flag got in Dallas to where he the man.
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C
Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, that boy put up at least
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D
a dub a night. 22, 23 a night as a rookie. I think. I just think he has that type of talent. See, it's different when you go out there and play and you know you can shoot whenever. Versus. Damn. I come out here, I got. I feel like I got a. Every shot I take, I feel like I gotta make.
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C
It's got to be official.
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D
There you go.
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E
Right, right.
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D
I ain't got no time. If I turn it over once or twice, they taking me out, you know what I mean? You ain't got to worry about that.
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E
Come see. Hey, come.
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C
Hey, there you go.
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Over here. Sit by me.
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C
Just remember, Ocho, how it was with you when you didn't have to worry about if you made a mistake. The coach is yelling and screaming or they bringing you out for a play to say, hey, son, that ain't what we. That ain't what we do. When you know, I could just go play football.
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E
Yes.
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C
If I made a mistake, I've made a mistake. If I dropped the pass, I dropped the pass. You were free, your mind free. And you could just.
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D
Nothing like that, bro. Nothing like that. Freedom, you know what I mean? Because now you can go out there and play kind of loosey goosey versus when you on a star studded team, a team with expectations of winning a title and you playing with arguably one of the best, not arguably, but one of the best players in the league. It's a little different, bro. It's a little different.
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C
Very, very, very different. Also for Mike Wright's article. Multiple NBA big men reportedly trying to find a way to play alongside Wimby on the Spurs. San Antonio could use a back, a backup stretch big as it reloads for next season. And a combo stretch big man who could start and possibly play alongside Rui in bigger matchups such as Rui Hachimori. The opportunity to play alongside Wimby. The franchise success, its culture is collective. Youth make San Antonio a preferred destination and no tax in Texas. Adding that multiple big men are already trying to get to South Texas. Joe, do you like Wimby playing a lot? Excuse me? Do you like Rui playing alongside Wimby?
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D
If you got Rui, then that means you got to move. What the sale of champion.
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C
You gonna move, you gonna move? Probably champagne. But he's a big guy. He's a big guy. He can guard bigger guys. He can shoot the three.
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E
Ruby don't want to go back to la, man.
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C
LA A gonna have no money if they looking at potentially Kessler or you hear him hear rumblers about Duran and Officer Reeves.
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D
Hey, hey, look, listen. I was very pleased with how Rui played in the postseason this year for the Lakers. I thought he was probably the most consistent player on the Lakers team. Being Honest, outside of LeBron, I think he was the most consistent when it came to shooting at a high efficiency rate, playing the right way. I think he'll fit right in with the spurs, honestly, you know what I mean? But I think the spurs, they need a dog. They need an animal coming off that bench to help Wimby too. Arkin Ocho.
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C
Meaning they definitely need a big. That can give him some minutes on the game. Because his thing is the problem with Wimby had Joe is that we talked about it only playing 30, 32 minutes. And now we get to the postseason, it's harder. And I need you to play 36, 38, 40.
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D
Yeah, yeah.
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C
Now what?
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D
Yeah, I get that. I think even, even if you look at Detroit situation, because I think they gonna really go with Paul Reed cause of the way he played in the postseason. And you might get off a big Stewart, you know, a dog like that, maybe, maybe, maybe he go over to San Antonio to help because you need that, you need that muscle, that intimidating factor. You know what I mean? I just don't think. Yeah, I don't think San Antonio had that, bro. The way they were whooping Wimby. They dance out there like you need somebody who can come in, throw some elbows, you know, not, you know, not for real. Ocho. Put somebody on the ground a few times, bro. You need that
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E
set the tone a little bit.
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C
I. I definitely think that because Cornette did give. Look, Cornette was great in the regular season coordinate. Cornette made one good play. He did that block on Hardenstein and I think he was content with that. But in that series, that five game series, Cornette, he was growing and he was off of the majority of the time against the Thunder. He did make that play. Kudos to that. But more times than not, Cornette was. It was olay.
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D
It was olay when he came in the game.
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C
Boy. Yep. It'd be interesting to see because you know, the Nuggets got to do something with Aaron Gordon now. Aaron Gordon is a phenomenal player. He's turned himself into a.
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E
He can't.
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C
The hamstrings, Joe. Every year for the last couple of years. Joe. What we've seen hamstring puts him down same significant periods of time. It happened until the playoff year before last. It happened again this year. He missed a large chunk of the season with that hamstring. He got to the postseason. He got nicked again. That is concerning. If I'm gonna have to dump out 35, 40 million dollars for a guy over three days.
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D
He A free agent, right?
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C
I think he has one year left. He's gonna want a deal.
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D
It's hard though if you the Nuggets to let him go. Obviously I know he hadn't been healthy,
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C
but when he is and you know who else got one year left and he gonna want a deal. Big fella Yolk. Oh, sh.
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E
He up already.
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D
What we talking about? Get. Hey, give him a blank check. Hell. What you want that man out there having a triple double, bro. If they gave him MVP back to back years, would nobody been mad if they gave him mvp?
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C
Led the league in a system the first time it's ever been. We've seen guys lead the league in assisted scoring. We've never seen a guy lead the league in rebounds and assist.
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E
I think the last look like. Joe. What? What?
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C
Your win.
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D
What you mean? Are we talking about his contract?
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C
Yeah. What? What? You'll be about three.
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D
Gonna be about three something about probably about three.
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E
32344 year three four year three something.
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C
Not four.
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D
It's gonna be five. They gonna give him a five year deal. About 340. He gonna probably. He gonna probably reset the market.
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C
Two hundred and ninety three over four years, which is about a little over seventy a year you can get. Yeah. Four years.
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D
Seven over seventy. Yeah.
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E
Hey, what if. What if he was.
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C
That's about. That's about. That's about 70. That's about 72 million a year. Yeah.
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D
Damn.
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E
If he was to go somewhere else, he'll get Mojo.
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C
No, because they can see the thing is with your team, because they have your rights. They can offer you more than a new team. So that's how they try to keep. It's the same thing with the franchise tag. Ocho. I can pay you more if you stay here than if you go somewhere else. So the home team can add an extra year where the other team that you're going to, they can't. Yeah.
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D
Knowing Denver. Ain't no way in hell, Ocho, they letting that man get out the door.
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E
Oh, yeah. I mean, obviously not being that he is obviously the face of the franchise. But I was just curious for number wise, because, you know, if an NFL player get away from it, get away from a team that he's on, and you. You the star, you're getting way more elsewhere as opposed to what they gonna be.
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C
Yeah, that's 70. What? 73. 293 would be 70. 70. Like 72, 735 a year. 72, 73 3. Something like that. 72. 250. 293. 73. 250. Look at old Ash. You want to calculate over there? It's 73. 250.
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Ash.
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C
293.
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D
Damn.
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C
Yeah, but it. This San Antonio thing, Joe, you know how that can cause some problems? Because his agent said, hold on, we need numbers. Cause we gonna want a max deal. Cause what y' all gonna come say when it comes time to contract? You only average this. You only play this many minutes. You use everything you saying. You're gonna use that against me? You're not gonna say, well, you know what, Dylan? You was a good soldier, and you came off the bench. You didn't complain. We gonna give you the max anyway. That's not what you're gonna do. So what I'm not gonna allow y' all to do is to go ahead and hold me back.
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D
Yeah. And as great as he is, you know, being 20 years old, bro, he's only gonna get better. Uncan, Ocho. He's only gonna get better, bro. He only gonna get better.
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C
Isaiah Thomas questions why the league continues to push Wimy Over Jalen Brunson as face of the NBA. That was the question I was asking in Detroit when we beat Bird, Magic, and Jordan. But they made Jordan the face of the league. Here in Detroit, they're saying, why can't I be the face of the league? Why is there anyone elevated when you see him three, four years in a row beating your face of the leagues when you ask that question, it's much deeper question in terms of who they want to be the face of the league. Who's the best?
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D
The small guy.
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C
We always have to take a step back because we realize as small people. And that's six, six and above category. Bad out there. We'll let that man. Hey, I'm a call Z. You got to come on here and explain.
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D
Hey, Zeke. Say, damn, that I'm the only one. I'm one of the only ones who has a winning record against Michael Jordan. I'm gonna tell y' all how I
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C
really feel against Bird, against Magic and Kareem, he's like, look, I beat Larry Bird. I beat Magic and Kareem. I beat Michael Jordan. I'm the only one that can say that. Nobody else can say they beat all three of them. I did.
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E
Yeah, but Uncle Joe. But, Uncle Joe, listen, listen, listen to me. I think players. People need to understand you beating certain individuals, you know, when you playing. Okay, it's a great thing. But it takes more than just beating people to be the face of a league.
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C
What they say. What do you say?
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E
You say there's more to it than
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C
just that he said. I thought so. Is it about. What is it about? I thought you say winning championships. Well, I beat those guys to win the championship.
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E
You know, that's not that.
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F
That.
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C
That's not what it is.
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D
I mean. I mean, you look at the upside that Wimby has, bro. Being only 22 years old, I. I just. I can see why the NBA wants him to be the face. You know what I mean?
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C
And he global.
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E
Yeah. You know what? And you got a lot of players who aren't like, you know, Isaiah. Was Isaiah quiet? Was he quiet? He just seemed like a quiet person, man.
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C
Isaiah stated some stuff.
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D
He did.
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C
Isaiah was fighting. Man, y' all better go pull them tapes and look at Isaiah swinging on people left and right.
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Yeah, he just doesn't seem like that type of polarizing figure. That could be the.
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C
Oh, he was very polarizing. Cause Isaiah was staging Ocho.
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D
Ocho ain't gonna lie now. The boy got hit. The boy had plenty of game now.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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E
Yeah, yeah, listen, I know he could play. I know he could play, Joe, but it's a lot of people in the NBA that, that just don't fit the criteria for being the face of the league. Remember, we talk about Jayson Tatum being the face of the league. He just doesn't have that. There's a certain it factor. I don't even know how to explain it. I don't even know how to put it into words where it just doesn't fit because he didn't have that. You know what? Anthony Edwards, now I can see him being the face of the league, but it's something he don't want. It's just something about him that's polarizing,
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D
that it's having that media savvy. When you talk to the media, how you captivate everybody, everybody just really listen and hone in on what it is that saying. I think ant man has that, and he has that. I don't give a damn. You know what I mean? Like, un say he coming, he come to the game and it slides with his wife beat on. He ain't nothing about that fashion stuff. All y' all long, bro. That man just out. He come to hoop.
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C
That's it. And remember, Isaiah was president of the union, so he going back and forth. We want this, we need that. And David's third party said, no, you know what? Because Isaiah did. Isaiah won in every level. Isaiah won at 81 national championship. Isaiah won. Isaiah won. They beat North Carolina. And North Carolina had a really good team. A really, really good team. But Isaiah's team with him, I think Randy Whitman, Rolando Turner, they beat James Worthy, Jimmy Black, Not Jimmy Black. Al Wood. That was the guy. Al Wood. I think Matt Daugherty and I think Sam Perkins was on that team. That, if I'm not mistaken, that was also the night they thought about canceling because Ronald Reagan got a tip. John Hinckley almost took Reagan out. Don't quote me on that. But you can quote me, quote me, quote me, quote me. I'm almost certain that was 1981, Chad. Am I right? Chat? Damn.
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D
That's the year I was born.
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C
1981. John Hinckley assassination attempt. And that was on that Monday. And they almost canceled the game. They ended up playing that Monday night. And Rolando Turner, that off season, he ended up getting in the car accident and getting paralyzed. Ah, damn.
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D
The irony.
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C
Yeah, I think that, I think that was, Was that the year? Oh, you ain't looking. Okay. But I think that was the year. So I, I, I Remember? I remember Isaiah.
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E
Yeah.
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C
It was March 30, 1981. Who's on Isaiah's team? Give me Isaiah lineup, if I'm not mistaken. I know Isaiah. And Randy Webman and Rolando Turner. I don't remember the other two guys. I know Al Wood, Jimmy Black, if I'm not mistaken, came off the bench for Carolina. James Worthy, Perkins.
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D
You talking about when he was in Indiana.
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C
Yes, because Isaiah left. Isaiah turned pro. Mark Aguirre was the first, if I'm not mistaken. I think Mark Aguirre was the first pick in that draft out of DePaul.
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D
Mark has some game too, boy.
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C
Yeah.
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D
Hey, and when you think about it, you know, Isaiah Thomas was a little fiery, little feisty.
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C
Landon turn. What'd I say?
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D
Rolando London was a fiery little, feisty little joker. Ocho, I, I, I think he took. Yeah, obviously coming from Chicago, you know, it's probably how he was raised, but playing under that damn Bobby Knight.
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E
Bobby Knight. Hey, Bobby Knight is a legend, boy.
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D
I can only imagine what that's like, bro.
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C
Yeah, but like I said, and then Isaiah came in the league and, you know, it took him a while to get over be Austin, right? Because it's like every year it was either Boston, it was in the beginning, it was the Sixers and the Celtics. Every year with the Sixers and the Celtics, Dr. J, Daryl Dawkins, Caldwell Jones, Bobby Jones, the Boston Strangler, Andrew, Tony. They used to like, he used to light him up, so they gave him the nickname the Boss Strangler. And then Isaiah Nim came along because it was like Lakers, it was like Lakers, Lakers, Rockets, Lakers, Lakers, Rockets, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers in the west, because you got to realize Magic went to the finals nine times in 12 years. Jesus. And so once they broke that stranglehold, Isaiah then broke that stranglehold with Boston. Now imagine them had to deal with Detroit, and it was Detroit they lost in 88 to magic. Them. Then they came back and got magic number 89. And then Portland beat them, and then Portland got to the finals, and then Isaiah beat them in 90. And then, oh, Lord, that guy to Wilmington. Six. Six from Chapel Hill. And that was it. Yeah, yeah, that was it.
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D
Good time.
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C
But like you said, Ocho. Yeah. Little guys, I mean, maybe you could make the case for a small guy. Maybe the closest we've had, or you say the place of the league has been Steph Curry, but most of the time it's a Jordan, it's a Kobe, it's a LeBron. Yeah, I don't know, could it be somebody as small as Jalen Brunson? I'm sure it could be. But for the most part, if you go back and study, it hasn't been
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D
outside of probably AI. AI was so polarized.
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C
Yeah, okay, I'll give you that.
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D
He changed.
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C
But the problem was when Jordan came back, Jordan was the base of the league again. You got to realize when AI came in the league, Jordan was in the league because that was 96. AI got in 96. And so Jordan 96, 97, 98, they won the championship. What? Nobody's playing Jordan. So maybe so maybe that period when Jordan left. 99, 2000, something like that. But then probably like 2000 now.
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D
Here.
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C
Kobe. Kobe. Yeah, yeah.
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