Nightcap Hour 1: Mark Cuban DISGUSTED With New Mavericks Owner + Steph Curry ACTIVELY RECRUITING LeBron + Sixers MAKE PITCH to LeBron & Rich Paul

Summary

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Nightcap Hour 1 | July 9, 2026

Episode Title: Mark Cuban DISGUSTED With New Mavericks Owner + Steph Curry ACTIVELY RECRUITING LeBron + Sixers MAKE PITCH to LeBron & Rich Paul
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”/”Liberty City Legend”), and Joe Johnson (ISO Joe)
Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)

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Episode Overview

This lively "Nightcap" episode dives into hot-off-the-press NBA headlines, including Mark Cuban’s legal drama with the new Mavericks ownership, Steph Curry’s public (and private) recruiting of LeBron James, and the 76ers making their pitch to LeBron and his agent Rich Paul. The trio brings unfiltered energy, behind-the-scenes insights, and candid player perspectives to the night’s biggest stories, blending deep basketball knowledge with their trademark banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Mark Cuban vs. Mavericks' New Ownership

[04:55–15:37]

• Background: Mark Cuban, former majority owner, is engaged in a legal dispute with new Mavericks governor Patrick Dumont, whom he accuses of freezing him out of team management and prepping to move the franchise out of downtown Dallas.

  • Cuban only discovered plans to trade franchise star Luka Doncic to the Lakers after it was too late to intervene.
  • Cuban retains 27% ownership, but the Adelson/Dumont family can buy another 20%.

• Hosts React:

  • Liberty City Legend: “They talking about moving a team... got rid of Luka... people in Texas gonna be ticked off, you know. Dallas is a big market, they got a committed fanbase. They shaking some things up out there.” (08:07)
  • Ocho: “Anytime ownership or GMs want to make a move, obviously it’s for money and economical reasons... maybe they feel moving to North Dallas will be better for the team long term.” (08:37)

• Cuban's Buyer's Remorse:

  • Joe Johnson: “Mark Cuban is having a little buyer’s remorse, he sees these prices going astronomical now... damn, Joe, I undersold by $4, $5 billion.” (09:02–09:15)

• Player Empowerment and Legal Loopholes:

  • Joe Johnson: “When you’re dealing with this kind of money, this ain’t no handshake. I want it in writing... Clearly he didn’t have [control in writing].” (11:12)

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2. The Blockbuster Luka Doncic Trade

[15:01–29:01]

• Mavs Trade Away Luka:

  • Ownership (not Cuban) trades Luka Doncic to the Lakers for AD, Max Christie, and a first-round pick.
  • Discussion about the Mavericks' true motivations: not wanting to pay Luka’s potential $400M contract, concerns about his work ethic and injuries.
  • Liberty City Legend: “They didn’t want to pay Luka that money... If Luca had one of them work ethics, you know, like Bron got... but Dallas seen behind the scenes, his eating habits or whether it’s drinking beer after games, whatever... they didn’t feel it was a great investment.” (15:49)

• Laker/Luka Fit:

  • Ocho: “The Lakers needed someone who could carry that torch, even if his habits were good, I think he might’ve still gotten traded anyway.” (16:25)

• Was It Good Value?

  • Joe Johnson: “Are they mad about the trade or are they mad Mavericks didn’t maximize trade value for what they had? If it’s AOP and I trade my entire kingdom for a horse, I got shortchanged.” (22:55)

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3. Roster Value, Injury Risks, and Team Building

[19:03–30:37]

• Risk of Max Deals:

  • Joe Johnson: “If I’m spending that kind of money, it can’t be no junk bonds, right? It’s gotta be blue chip stocks... If he’s hard to deal with now, you give him that kind of money, how do I get him to do anything?” (20:36–21:19)

• Roster Construction Realities:

  • Liberty City Legend: “Every team ain’t gonna have no damn four, five guys coming off the bench who gonna contribute like that… two, three [in the] starting five will get you where you trying to go.” (19:30)

• Luka’s Injury Concerns:

  • “Luka had started to get injured... As you get older, if you don’t work out, the injuries go up.” (26:32)

• Greats and Durability:

  • Personal stories about Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron’s relatively clean bills of health until late in careers.

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4. Steph Curry Is Recruiting LeBron

[35:40–43:30]

• Steph’s Comments:

  • Joe Johnson (quoting Steph): “We’ve obviously talked. He deserves all the patience and space... I’d love to play with him and hopefully that would be a reality soon.” (35:40)
  • Discussion around media narratives that “nobody really wants LeBron,” which the hosts reject outright.

• LeBron’s Value:

  • Ocho: “Anybody with common sense, any basketball knowledge... knows LeBron has value, even at 41 years old still able to carry a team.” (36:53)

• Would Golden State Work?

  • Panel debates if GSW is genuinely a great fit, both strategically and in terms of defensive personnel.
  • Liberty City Legend: “Steph is gonna open up the floor for Bron just as much as Bron gonna open up the floor for Steph to get wide open shots... I wouldn’t mind seeing him in Golden State. Their games complement each other.” (38:21)
  • Ocho is skeptical: “You putting yourself back in a Lakers situation but with the best shooter of all time... Ain’t nobody can play no damn defense.” (39:32)

• The Matter of Klay Thompson:

  • Conversation turns to Klay’s decline, injuries, and whether he’d be a factor in a LeBron/GSW team.
  • Joe Johnson: “For two years, Klay gave them nothing on the court and they paid him. Now, I gotta pay you based on what you will do moving forward.” (45:21)

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5. Where Should LeBron Go? Philly, Miami, or Golden State?

[49:40–68:25]

• Bob Myers’ Pitch to LeBron (Sixers):

  • Joe Johnson (paraphrasing Myers): “If it’s about winning, let’s talk about this team. Because you can win here in Philly.” (54:44)

• Sixers’ Fit:

  • Liberty City Legend: “Everything gonna be revolve round Embiid and his health... But adding Bron to that equation in Philly, if Embiid is healthy... they gonna be the favorites. Trust me.” (55:34–56:49)
  • Ocho disagrees, says Miami is best: “The best fit for him is still in Miami... Having Bam and having Giannis, along with the other complimentary pieces... is the best fit for him.” (57:08–58:13)

• Concerns With Philly:

  • “It’s too many people in Philly, they gotta prove themselves, it’s not gonna work. JB, Embiid, Maxey all need the ball... too many people have to prove themselves, and need the ball in their hands.” (66:54)

• Who Needs to Prove What?

  • Spirited back-and-forth about which teams would let LeBron be LeBron at this stage in his career.
  • Joe Johnson: “If Steph don’t win another championship, does that change how you see him?”
  • Ocho: “No, because the team around him sucks.” (68:29)

• Behind-the-Scenes Star Player Decisions:

  • Ocho: “Before players move... they do converse with each other... Everything is already in place. LeBron already knows where he’s going. But he’s playing the Aaron Rodgers game—keep everyone waiting.” (69:53–71:01)

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6. Life as an NBA Vet and the Difficulty of Coming Off the Bench

[63:04–66:22]

• Discussion on how tough it can be for aging stars—like DeMar DeRozan or LeBron—to shift from starting roles to bench responsibilities, especially after careers spent as focal points.
  • Liberty City Legend: “At 36, I throw you in that damn game, come mid-second quarter, you get no damn time to warm up. I’m telling you, it’s difficult off that bench, boy.” (63:52)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You don’t get to sell Ocho my car, and then oo paints it and be like, why you paint my car, man? I bought it, damn it.” – Joe Johnson on Cuban’s lack of post-sale control (09:02)
• “As good as Luka is… We gonna find something wrong with you so we don’t have to invest this kind of money, even though you’re as good as you are.” – Ochocinco on teams justifying not paying max superstars (20:15)
• “If LeBron is going to play, at 42 years old, the expectations are through the roof. He needs to be on a team where he can conduct himself in the right manner, where it’s not that much pressure on him.” – Ocho on LeBron’s next move (37:58)
• “Klay’s numbers have dropped every year. He’s not the same defender nor the same consistent shooter that he was.” – Joe Johnson (42:46)
• “When you as you get older, bro... I can't be sitting over here three, four minutes done going off the clock before you put me in.” – Liberty City Legend on aging player reality (65:54)
• “LeBron already knows where he’s going. But this is... this is all about the mystique, you know? Keep everybody going, keep everybody talking...” – Ochocinco (74:09)
• Dad-joke interlude: “What’s the difference between a sock and a camera?... One takes five toes, the other takes four toes.” – Ochocinco (75:26)

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• Mark Cuban/New Mavericks Ownership Drama: [04:55–15:37]
• Luka Doncic Trade Deep-Dive: [15:01–29:01]
• Roster Value & Star Player Contracts: [19:03–30:37]
• Steph Recruiting LeBron / Golden State Debate: [35:40–43:30]
• Where Should LeBron Go?: Philly, Miami, GSW Debate: [49:40–68:25]
• Aging Vets & NBA Off-the-Bench Life: [63:04–66:22]

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Final Thoughts

The hosts leave listeners with more questions than answers about LeBron’s future, casting doubt, making predictions, and providing an entertaining blend of inside info and classic jock banter. The episode is a must-listen for NBA fans interested in the undercurrents of major deals, the realities of NBA business, and the player perspectives often missing from traditional sports talk.

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Listen for:

• Honest, often hilarious breakdowns of league-shaking events
• A credible, first-hand take on player/owner power dynamics
• Digs at NBA front office decision-making
• Real talk about what keeps veterans valuable (or makes them expendable)
• Clues about LeBron’s true shortlist—straight from those who know the game inside and out

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[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah. Hey look, they. They talking about moving a team. Hey, they didn't already, you know, got rid of Luca. The people in Dallas, the people in Texas going to be, they, they gonna be ticked off now, you know, I don't know how much more they're gonna be able to take. Okay, Ocho, you know what I'm saying? Because that, that's the, you know, Dallas is a. Is a big market, bro. They got a. They have a committed fan base. You know what I mean? So hey, I don't know what they got going, but they, they shaking some things up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, if they, if they shaking things up, I'm not sure how, whether I'm not sure where Dallas, the Mavericks are located right now. I'm not sure how far north Dallas may be. But anytime ownership or GMs of people in positions of power want to make a move, obviously is for. For money and economical reasons. I mean, maybe they feel moving to North Dallas will be better for the team long term. I'm not sure what it may be. That's the only thing I could think of.

[Joe Johnson]

It seems to me that Mark Cubing is having a little buyer's remorse. He sees the way these prices are going astronomical now. He sold.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And now he sees, now all of a sudden 7 billion. 8 billion. 10 billion.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He sees that and he's like what have I done? What have I done? Because and I know he said that. Look, I don't want my kid put my kids in a situation where they're fighting over this. I'm going to make it easy for them. There's nothing going to be able to fight up over. Excuse me. And so, you know, I'll have this. This will be on the trust. You get this, you get this, you get this. The one thing that will not tear apart, will not tear my family apart as I've seen it tear so many other families apart is a franchise. As a sports franchise, be it football, basketball, baseball, whatever the case may be. But now Mark Cuban is seeing the way these, these, these, these franchises are going and what the prices they're going for. He like, damn, Joe, I undersold by 4, 5 billion dollars. It's too late. You don't get, you don't. I don't get to sell Ocho my car. And, and then oo paints like, oh, why you paint my car, man? I bought it, damn it.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but, but hold on now, Mark. Mark Cuban, a very savvy businessman with a great understanding of the market, especially the NBA, on how it operates. I think the NFL, the NBA and the MLB are one of the few franchises or just entities in general that would never depreciate. It continues to climb year in and year out, Joe, no matter what. So at what point. Why would he even have buyers remorse? Any in, in any shape, way, form or fashion, if you understand that it's always going to continue to rise, is never going to depreciate in any way. I don't understand.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, I, I understand. You know, 2%, 3%, 5% growth over a period of time. Ocho, I didn't expect to sell the thing for 4 billion and now all of a sudden it's worth 8 billion in two years.

[Liberty City Legend]

Okay, yes, but hey, hey, and, and he didn't expect to the people who bought it, that they would damn get rid of Luca neither. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think, I don't think Mark Cuban had any say so in. In Luca getting traded. Hell, he probably didn't even know if you want me to keep it real.

[Joe Johnson]

It was too late. And so, yeah, and by that, by that premise, because he said he had a deal in place to keep running basketball operations. But the owner, Jamal, the son in law of Miriam Addison, who's the wife of Sheldon Adelson who passed away, they cut him out. Well, unless if. Look, when you dealing with this kind of money, when you're dealing with. This ain't no handshake. I want it in writing that I'm going to continue to run basketball operations for two years, three years, five years, or for as long as I deem necessary. Because the thing is, you know how it is, just like anything, a contract used to be a meeting of the minds. Joe had a farm, he had grain, he had stuff like that. I had livestock. I would say, you know what, Joe? I'll give you a couple cows, you give me, you know, corn, you give me wheat, you give me stuff like that. We had a handshake deal. Then all of a sudden, Jodo after Joe don't got my cattle. Joe don't want to come, come off. Yodo want to come off the grain. So I had. So now we got to have a contract. We got to have 8 by 10 or whatever is written on the paper. This little square thing, you should judge, you to say, what is this? What does this say? So clearly he didn't have that. And I think that. I think the biggest thing is, is that because. Because they're talking about these two, even Seattle, this team. And the owner of the, The Golden Knights. It seems to be he's put a team together. They say this thing can go somewhere between eight and $10 billion. Okay, wait, hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You talk about the NBA team, Las Vegas Jacks. I saw that. You saw that?

[Joe Johnson]

Money gets splits between the owners. Okay, so we look, hey, we're looking at, you know, three, $400 million per owner, two teams. Oh, so 800 million. Go ahead, Joe.

[Liberty City Legend]

Damn, I didn't know that. So if you buy, if you buy a professional team, then if you have to. If you have to spend 4 billion, that. That spreads out through the owners. Yes, yes.

[Joe Johnson]

That's why they're. They're. They're very selective of who they let in.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They're going to make sure who they

[Joe Johnson]

let in because not only must you be able to, like, okay, purchase it, but you're going to probably need somewhere north of probably $400 million cash, of operating expense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, listen, I know a couple of people now I can get. We can get in business with and buy.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, hey, hey, guess what? I know a couple people too,

[Joe Johnson]

to be guys. They give. They might let you have a 1% to let you be a minority owner, let you be the face or something. But this 10 right stuff is over because 10 now is a billion dollars. There ain't very many people that's sitting on a billion dollars that can just say, you know What? I want 10 of this. And the people that have it, they don't necessarily want you to be a part of it. So that, that limits a lot of people there. And people like, well, now, I mean, to, to get a franchise now, like you said, I mean, you see, they say the Seahawks, you're gonna go somewhere seven and a half, eight, maybe even nine billion. I mean, and somebody has to own 50 of that because they used to be. That's what it used to be. You know, people tried like, well, you own 25, you want. No, you gotta have somebody. That's a majority. Somebody needs to own majority right of it. And so that's. And that's what it looks like to me. Now, I could be wrong, but it. It seems to me is that, bro, you sold it. You sold it. And I know you didn't anticipate

[Liberty City Legend]

them

[Joe Johnson]

trading Luca, but guess what else you didn't anticipate. You didn't anticipate. And we see what happened. And I felt this way. You see what they said about Jaylen Brown. They saw what Lucas number was going to be, and I don't believe they wanted to pay that Joe, based on what you heard about some of his practice habits, the injury history that he had. You know, they started calling, you know, started reporting he was hookah donchic. And it's like, hold on. This man is 25. By the time this man is 30. We're going to end up having to pay this man 400, 450 million dollars in a contract.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah. And yeah, I'm with you.

[Joe Johnson]

The owner, that was his call. But you guess what? Poop rolls downhill. So it had to land on. It had to land on Nico's desk. Go ahead, Joe.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm with you. They definitely didn't want to pay Luca that money, man. I. I think. You know what I think for real, Ocho, if Luca had a. If he had one of them work ethics to where like, you know, you know, like Brian got, for instance, you know, trying to be one of the greats, obviously he a hell of a player, but I just. I felt like Dallas seen the behind the scene things with Luca, and as far as eating habits or whether it's drinking beer after the game, whatever the case may be, and they didn't feel like it was a great investment, bro, at the end of the day, they didn't feel like it was a great investment, so they moved on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what? You know what's funny when I think about it too? Knowing that the Lakers have always had a franchise player, they've always had an all star. Obviously you have a team like LA, they would have needed someone even with LeBron being there. They would need someone with the cachet and. And the facial profiling to. To say this is the face of the Los Angeles Lakers. I think a move. And you look at the landscape of the NBA before Luca left, even though he was in Dallas, they needed somebody who was next up that can carry that torch and be in the face of that franchise. And I think even if his habits were good, Uncle Joe, even if. Even if he did train, even if he didn't drink hookah or Drink beer, you know, coming out the tunnel, whatever it may have been. We know, and we saw that clip. I think he might have still been traded anyway, because they needed that piece. They needed that figure in LA to represent, you know, being that star, being at LA always has one.

[Joe Johnson]

They always. Well, the Lakers, the Lakers definitely needed that. There was a connection between Rob and Nico. Nico was Kobe's right hand guy. Rob Pelinka was Kobe's agent. So there was a natural connection. Now people start to believe it. Because when the trade happened, what did everybody say? LeBron knew. LeBron knew. Come to find out, LeBron ain't no shit. The agents didn't even know two people knew. Nico Harrison and Rob Pelinka. It wasn't until the day, it wasn't until the day it was about to get consummated that Jeannie Buss was looped into it.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, we have this. Oh, obviously she's going to agree with it because you can't, you can't, you can't let this get. You can't run the risk, Ocho, of this getting out because now you create a bidding war. Hey, that's all y' all getting. Max Christie, AD and a first round draft pick. We got this player.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, hold up though.

[Joe Johnson]

What now? Hey, Boston Celtics, we got Jaylen Brown and three first round draft picks unprotected. This team say we got this player, that player, and five unprotected. That's a 25 year old, a five time first team all NBA selection. He's 25. Do you know how far you gotta go back to find a guy that age with that many first time all NBA selections? You're probably gonna have to go back to Kobe and you're probably gonna have to go back to LeBron.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But you saw the number that he was, he was in line for damn near 400 million. And they just didn't feel that that was a great investment at the time.

[Liberty City Legend]

Because they tie you. It tie your hands, bro. Yes. To where you, you know, you put all that money in one player. Okay, Ocho. Hell, it's hard to kind of fill out your roster, you know, you. We talking about nowadays, you know, guys taking haircuts and, you know, teams trying to feel like they roster to have more depth, obviously trying to, you know, copy what, what the Knicks did. But hey, man, it's still some guys out here who can tow the team to a title.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend]

Every team. What I'm saying is every team ain't gonna have no damn Four, five guys coming off the bench who gonna be able to contribute like that? I mean, you're gonna have some. You may have some great pieces, but it's two, three of them guys in that starting five will be able to get you to where you're trying to go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what? Almost. You know what I don't like, in a sense, especially when it comes to business, especially these organizations. You think about the players, Uncle Joe. They work, they tail off all their life to get to a certain point where they have. Where they are of extreme value to a team based on them being an asset and very valuable entity to whatever franchise they're playing for. And then all of a sudden, you tell me, well, you know what? You. You're too good. There's some things I don't like about you. So we. We don't want to invest that kind of money in you, man.

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That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That. That's kind of. Is more of a gift and a curse. As good as Luca is. Okay, you know what? We gonna find something wrong with you so we don't have to invest this kind of money, even though you're as good as you are.

[Joe Johnson]

I think the thing is, that's ass backwards, Joe.

[Liberty City Legend]

Oh, yeah?

[Joe Johnson]

If that's Steph Curry, you think they doing this? They trading Steph?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

LeBron, you think they doing that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, they safe.

[Joe Johnson]

That's your answer right there. If I'm spending that kind of money, it can't be healthy skill. It can't be no junk bonds, right? It's got to be blue chip stocks. And I think the thing when they started looking at it, there's like, if we. Because, look, I don't know if it's true or not, but you start hearing rumblings. What? You started hearing rumblings where they say, well, you know, they're looking at, like, this, guys, if he hard to deal with now and he making 100 million, what can we tell him, Joe? If he making 400 million, how do we get. How do we get him to move? How do we get him to do certain things? Now, I'm not saying, look, they might just be salting this man up, but I'm just saying when.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When.

[Joe Johnson]

When you're difficult to deal with. And that is a. That is a. A calculated decision that teams have to make when they invest that kind of money. If he's hard to deal with now, Ocho. Yeah, I give you that kind of money, how do I get you to do anything, Ocho, if it's hard for me to get you to do something for 100 million. I give you 400 million. And I know it's guaranteed. Go ahead, guys.

[Liberty City Legend]

But when you think about it, that's why I say the Mavs got cheated because we never got to see Kyrie AD together. We never got to see, though.

[Joe Johnson]

So listen, Kyrie and the Kyrie ad and Cooper flag.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, we didn't. We. We never got. So we got cheated out of that. We don't know what that could have been like. You know what I'm saying? So I. I think the way Kyrie was playing, because he was at. He was at the top of his game still. Yes, he was, you know, balling out of control. I think that's. I think that and. And being. And not having enough defense, you know, in. In the postseason, especially in the finals when they lost in the finals that year, I think that's why it was so easy to get rid of Luca, because you like damn well we. We get rid of Luca and we still got Kyrie playing at a high level. We bring in ad not only do we get better defensively, but now we have a low post presence to where we got a guy we can throw the ball to and he go get us a bucket or a foul versus having two guys on the perimeter trying to go for 35. You feel what I'm saying? So I think. I think I understand that everybody's mad about the trade, but damn, I just feel like we never got to see what Dallas really could have been, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Are they mad about the trade or they mad that the Mavericks didn't maximize trade value for what they had? If it's AOP and I trade my entire kingdom for a horse, I got shortchanged.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, not really, because think about it. How are you going to get your trade? How are you going to get the value of Luca? What are you gonna get back for Luca? Because, okay, let's say you get number one pick, right? Those number one picks aren't really expect. Who said they're going to be equivalent to what Luca is that you have right now? Because he's proven.

[Joe Johnson]

They said that about Paul George, too. How did Shay turn out? He did okay. How J Dub do it? He doing okay. What about Chet? He had a bad series, but he doing okay? Cause that's what they. That's what they got from Paul George. Now, everybody. Everybody can't pick like that. But those are the risks that you have to take. If you trade get off a guy you believe in your scouting department enough in their eye and their ability to judge and recruit talent. Okay? Yeah. So think about it. Now they go from okc, go from being a fourth or fifth seed. Now they're perennial number one seeds. For the last three years they've been the number one seed in the west, all thanks to that trade. And sometimes, look, sometimes you don't get value back. You trade Kareem, you don't get that value back or you trade a certain guy, you don't get that value back. You never know. I think it's just the fact of the matter is that they traded a guy and they said that's all you got. And you see what Desmond Bane goes for, you see what Mikhail Bridges go for. You see what some of these other guys go for. And all you got. And I hate saying all because Anthony Davis is a top 75 player. He's a 10 time NBA all star, he's a multiple time all NBA selection and he's a perennial in the running for a defensive player of the year. So he's a phenomenal player. But 25 year old Luca, that's averaging 28 points, he might have. If I'm not mistaken, he has the third highest average behind Jordan Wilt and then Luca points per game in NBA history. If I'm not mistaken, he has the second most highest points per toll game in playoff history behind Jordan. So that's, that's crazy. It is, Ocho. It absolutely is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, Joe, Joe. I couldn't be in position to make calls like that. I couldn't be in a position to say who goes and who stays because the eye test, the number test, forget analytics, what am I seeing on the court? Yeah, I'm not letting a player like that go. Who's the, who's my. My franchise. The face of my franchise. And he gonna deliver court because he smoked some goddamn hookah. Joe, please.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on now.

[Liberty City Legend]

I think when you look at it.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Okay.

[Liberty City Legend]

Oh, Joe, you got to understand, AD's biggest flaw is that he was injury prone. And the worst thing for Mavericks fan was for AD to get that ball out of control his first game on OO 26 and 12 and then had to leave because he couldn't finish the game because he got hurt the first

[Joe Johnson]

game that could have happened.

[Liberty City Legend]

That's the worst damn thing. That's the worst damn thing could have happened. You know what I mean? But it happened. And unfortunately it's been downhill. It was downhill from the Mavericks ever since then. So that's why the trade looks so bad. Because AD never got to, you know, reach his full potential in Dallas on what it could have been. Cause I thought it could have been a great match with him and Kyrie, obviously, Cooper flag. But unfortunately it didn't work. So, you know, that's what I think. That's why the trade really, really looks so bad. Cause like, damn. Then you end up trading 80 to Washington. It's like, damn, come on, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Now we don't really have. Now we got Max Christian, a first round draft pick to show for what we get for Luka. But I think the thing also that scared him is that Luca injury history, Luca had started to get injured. Joe and Ocho, he had started to miss some games. And we saw that this year when the playoffs, even in the series that they got to the finals, he has started to limp. So the injuries is like, man. And as you get older, if you don't work out, the injuries go up. They keep you down longer.

[Liberty City Legend]

They do, bro. Because you know the guys who play big minutes in the NBA, Uncle Ocho, they ain't doing a whole hell of a lot outside of game day, you know what I mean? Like, because they play so many minutes. 35, 40 minutes, hell, that's what's gonna keep them in shape. Now what you gotta hope is that they have a great work ethic, eating habits, things of that sort, to kind of keep the body in great shape. But if you don't, bro, this is kind of what you're dealing with. But in hindsight, for me, I feel like Dallas got lucky here. They got the number one pig, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Same thing with New Orleans. Traded A.D. what they get Zion.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yep. And he gonna be the next one

[Joe Johnson]

on the move, by the way, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who that?

[Liberty City Legend]

Zion. I know, I know. Joe Dumas don't want to get up out for him, but hey, boy, he nice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe gotta put him nice. Wait, listen. When he healthy, oh, my goodness.

[Joe Johnson]

But that's what you want. If you look at the greats, you look at like Jordan. Jordan broke his foot in his second year. Then after that, Jordan's relatively healthy. Jordan was playing 82, 80 games for like the next. I mean, obviously he took that time off after the 90. What was that? 93 season? So 94. He's this. And then came back halfway through 95, and then he played all of 96, 97, 98, and then he's off for a couple of years. But. And that's what they. That's what you want. I mean, you look at Kobe, Kobe was relatively healthy his whole career until when the injury started. Man, they just Started piling up. You know, he tore his labrum and then he had the Achilles and he started dealing with, you know, he just started dealing with a plethora of injuries. But that was like year 1314.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You look at LeBron, LeBron didn't get injured basically until he got to LA that first year where he tweaked his growing. But you got to realize LeBron was in year 16.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So it. And that's the thing when you invest that kind of money, man, you just roi you want your return on investment and you never know. And like you said, Ocho, a lot of times when you trade a guy like that, you don't know what you're going to get. I mean, sometimes it's a pretty good trade off. The Rams traded Jared Goff and they get Matthew Stafford. I think it's been a great situation for the Rams. It's not like. But Matthew Stafford was always this. He was just in Detroit and people just like he throwing for a bunch of yards. People don't realize Matthew Stafford threw for over 5,000 yards and 40 something touchdowns. That might have been 2011 or 2012, Chad. Go back and look it up. And the man didn't make the Pro Bowl.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Listen, that's a safe trade. Huh? That's a trade where you know what you're getting. So you're not even hesitant on a trade like that to let Jared Goff go. And we're gonna put Matt Stafford over here with the weapons that we have.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If he can do what he was doing in Detroit in a, in a. A really not a winning situation and we put him over in la, what you think gonna happen?

[Joe Johnson]

But guess what? When I put him in la, guess what I bring with him.

[Liberty City Legend]

What's that?

[Joe Johnson]

Ex P, E, C T A T I O N. Expectations. Expectations. The expectations in Dallas and in Detroit is a little different than the expectations because guess what? Hey, we got to the super bowl with Jerry Goff. Not only are we expecting you to get us there, we expecting you to get us over the hump.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson]

He delivered.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What did he do? Like Amazon.

[Joe Johnson]

He delivered. He did, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like Amazon.

[Joe Johnson]

He did. He did it. So look, I, I, I, that's, that's just my, That's Chad. I don't know what y' all think, but I think, I think a part of me thinks Mark, and I love sitting down because he, he's a very, very smart guy. He loves it. He loves basketball. He's one of the few owners that's. He ain't up in the box. He was the first one doing what you see the guy from the Clippers do. Mark Cuban was doing that way back when. Yeah, he was doing that with Steve Ballmer. That was Mark Cuban way back then. Yeah, Mark Cuban running on the Mark Cube. They stay. David Stern stayed in Mark Cuban's pockets. Hey, let me, Let me get 500 out of that. Let me get a 250. Let me get 105.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. That's like giving my kids $2. Here, here, you can have it. Cuban wasn't messed up about nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Nothing. He called hey, the official Drake he was talking about. Official was terrible and all that. But Mark, I mean, I think part of you like, man, I sure wish I had probably waited a couple more.

[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe Johnson]

Stephen Curry says He's been texting LeBron as the rest of the NBA world awaits his free agency decision. We've obviously talked. He deserves all the patience and space to figure out what he wants to do with his career as it winds down. We all understand and appreciate that. I would love to play with him and hopefully that would be a reality soon. So this. But hold on. What happened to this notion that we hear some of these. Nobody wants LeBron. Did you see the clip where they tried to punk. They tried to prank Giannis and somebody he had signed with somebody else? Oh, yeah, yeah, he did. Let me see, let me see, let me see. But nobody. But let them tell you Nobody wants LeBron.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you have to understand that nobody wants to play with LeBron. That's coming from the outside.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no, no. I ain't saying nobody wants to play with him. They're making it seem like nobody wants him. Like Golden State really doesn't want him. Miami really doesn't want him. Cleveland really doesn't want him. Philly really doesn't want him. No, they can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, better than that.

[Joe Johnson]

They can't pay him his true value. Nobody has $50 million to pay to a 42 year old and they're not going to pay that. But this notion what we were hearing, Joe and Ocho, nobody wanted him. Oh, there's no market out there for him. Are we serious?

[Liberty City Legend]

Right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. That's a bunch of bull. That's a bunch of bull drive. You know, any. Anybody with common sense, anybody with any basketball knowledge, even if you're not a really a fan of the game, you know that LeBron has value based on what he was doing in LA, even though the third option. And then when Luca and also Reeves went down, seeing what LeBron did and being able to carry a team at 41 years old and still be able to operate, you know, efficiently at a level offensively, obviously somewhat of a liability defensive because he can't sit in the chair like he used to, he's extremely valuable. But obviously going to a team where he doesn't have to do much except facilitate. And when I want to pick and choose the moments where I want to score, he can do that again. I love. I love Steph. I love Steph. His comments and wanting to play with LeBron. LeBron is very fond of Steph and wanting to play with him, but if they're going to do that, listen, they can do it in the off season. They can golf. They can play in the Summit, you know, in New York, and let's. They. They can golf together. They can play at the Summit and offseason and train together. But as far as competing. Hey, Joe. As far as competing at the highest level to contend for a title, this ain't the time. This ain't the time for like a. A goddamn reunion.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Why?

[Liberty City Legend]

What do you mean, why? Why not?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, if LeBron is going to play and have some fun, he can have fun in the off season. If he's going to play going if 42 years old, the expectations are through the roof. He needs to be on a team where he can conduct himself. Conduct himself in the right manner, where it's not that much pressure on him. And all the pressure gonna be on the others around him.

[Liberty City Legend]

It won't be. No, it won't be a bunch of pressure on him in Golden State.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listening the West, Joe.

[Liberty City Legend]

I know, I know, but you gotta. You gotta. You gotta relax. Slow down, Turbo. You gotta hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. Think about it. Two of the greats, you know, obviously on the last leg, they. Their games complement one. Their games compliment one another. Steph is a. He gonna open up the floor for Braun just as much as Braun gonna open up the floor for Steph to get wide open shots. I listen, personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him in Golden State. Okay, Ocho? Because of the fit. Because both of them, you know, it's not like, obviously, if you go to Miami, that. That'll be good, Ocho, but it's not like that. It's not like Giannis and Braun. Cause both of them kind of need the ball. You know what I mean? Steph don't really need the ball to be effective. Braun can facilitate. You know, they play great team defense. Hell, they ain't got nobody really sliding them puppets like that outside of Draymond, who gonna really sit down in that chair and guard. But I think collectively, that unit that they trying to build in, in Golden State, Ocho, I think that it'll be must see tv, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, not at all. Not at all. Who they got on defense? Just Draymond. Right.

[Liberty City Legend]

You gotta take your heart out of it, though. You got too much emotion.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen. No, no, listen. My heart is out of it. My heart is out of it. So basically, you putting yourself back in a Lego situation with just a. The best shooter of all time. That's all you're doing. Because ain't nobody, can't nobody play no damn defense. For what? Then you got to deal with the spurs, then you got to deal with the Nuggets. Then you got to deal with. Hold on, what's my other team? The Thunder.

[Joe Johnson]

Guess what?

[Liberty City Legend]

Looks cute. Yeah. Yeah, them teams got to deal with them, too, huh? Them same teams you hollering about, they

[Joe Johnson]

gonna have to deal with Golden State, too.

[Liberty City Legend]

You act like Golden State gonna be

[Joe Johnson]

the G League team.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, what they. Hey, Joe, we. Come on, man. We talk about. We talk about players on their last leg, even as great as they are. Even as great as they are, they're gonna have to do too much. They have to exert too much to be able to compete with them young boys.

[Liberty City Legend]

Man, I don't. I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm sorry. I don't think so.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, y' all don't listen to me, okay?

[Liberty City Legend]

I don't think so. I think. I think they have enough guys to work collectively as a unit, bro. They gonna. They'll be effective, meaning they'll be probably a top five team in the Western Conference.

[Joe Johnson]

And they got brazingas that can protect the rim dre prazingas. The only thing he gotta be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. The one that. The one. The one that was with the Celtics.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The one that's always hurt.

[Liberty City Legend]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Okay. So look, Joe, I said it from the beginning. For me, the best fit for him. He's gonna have the ball in his hand all the time is Golden State. Yeah, because like you said, Steph doesn't lead the ball. That's why Steph. That's why he and Steph look so good at the Olympics. That's why him, Steph and KD look so good at the Olympics. Because Steph and KD don't need the ball. LeBron is going to. Look at LeBron finding. Finding a wide open KD wide open because Steph is running around and you got two guys go with him. And now somebody get a boop. Don't.

[Liberty City Legend]

I think.

[Joe Johnson]

And what's.

[Liberty City Legend]

And what's underrated, Uncle? Oo, is that Bron's high IQ for the game? You know that? That's so underrated. Because he will use Steph, Draymond, whoever else he got around him. He will use them to his advantage, bro. I think. I think that'll be a good fit, but I also think it's a few other teams that would be a good fit. So.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen, Braun IQ is probably,

[Joe Johnson]

you

[Chad Ochocinco]

know, but because his IQ is what it is, and we've seen it over the years, I understand. He's smart enough and understands that Golden State is not the right place to go. Not the right place for me. Like, even though it looks good on paper, I would love to.

[Joe Johnson]

Everything look good on paper. Miami look good on paper. Philly look good on paper. Go. All of them look good on paper. But game how you play?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I. I understand. I'm just saying. I'm. I'm okay.

[Joe Johnson]

You got defense in Miami?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Tell me you're shooting Tim Hardaway.

[Joe Johnson]

That's one person. You told me Draymond was the only one that can play defense. Who's your other shooter?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Clay will be there.

[Joe Johnson]

He ain't there now. I'm talking about who's there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I'm. I'm not supposed to be revealing this information, but I'm just throwing it out there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but I'm

[Chad Ochocinco]

all right. Nobody want to listen.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you talk about the Clay. His numbers have dropped every year. He's not the same defender nor the same consistent shooter that he was. That Clay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that Clay. And things. Things will change. You know, the spacing on the floor will be a lot better for him to be able to, you know, pop and shoot like. Like he normally has in the past.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Look at some of you. Look at some of the teams and situations he's been in. That's why his numbers have declined. Nothing wrong with him, actually.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay.

[Liberty City Legend]

You saying he just ain't playing with great players.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. He's been on some bad situations, boy. I mean, Joe. My bad. Yeah.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all need to understand.

[Joe Johnson]

Like, hold on. He dealt with Stefan. Wasn't he there with Luca and Kyrie? They're not great.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

I thought that's why he wanted to go. That's why he spurned. Hold on. Didn't he sparring the Lakers to go to Dallas? Because.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. When he was in Dallas, you talk about with Luca. When Luca was there, did you see the numbers? Did you see Luca's usage rate when he was there? Huh? He wasn't even able to shoot the ball as much as he wanted to.

[Liberty City Legend]

See.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What are we talking About. Hold on, hold on. Let me, let me. Yeah, let me show you. I. I got ball knowledge.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm so what was. So what was his excuse in Golden State?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait, what happened in Golden State?

[Liberty City Legend]

He.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

He, he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You mean the Golden State? The Smash brother?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that Clay. What happened? It wasn't nothing wrong with him now. Oh yeah, it wasn't wrong with him. Yeah, he. He was.

[Liberty City Legend]

So why they get rid of him? Why they get rid of him then?

[Chad Ochocinco]

The same reason they get rid of everybody else. Why Luke get rid of. Why the mask get rid of Luca.

[Joe Johnson]

No, they ain't the same reason. Luca leading the league of score. That, that is a good. That a compelling argument. You do realize Luc73, you saw that game. Luke got a 60 point trooper though. They. They get rid of same reason.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen to me, listen to me.

[Joe Johnson]

Take.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Take your time now. Take your time. Why did they. Let's we. We know balls now, right?

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Why did they get rid of Clay?

[Joe Johnson]

His numbers have start. Started to slip.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, that's it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That, that's, that's it.

[Joe Johnson]

Because here's the thing, Ojo. If your numbers start to slip, I can't pay you what you think you're worth. I can't pay you. See, Clay was thinking they were going to pay him on. Based on what he had done. Not what I'm paying you, what I believe you can do. So think about it. What Clay didn't understand is that when Clay. When Clay tore his knee.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

They waited. And guess what happened the next year he tore his Achilles.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Talk to me.

[Joe Johnson]

They waited. Yeah, they didn't. They didn't. They didn't. They didn't reduce the salary. So for two years, Clay gave them nothing on the court and they paid him. I can't pay you. Yes, we appreciate you helping us win those four titles. We could not have done it without you. But now I've got to pay you a salary based on what I believe you will do moving forward. You know how this thing work.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, we all, we all been there. You with Cincinnati, all them Pro Bowls, all them, all pros that you had made. Now all of a sudden.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, O.J. we love you. Very entertaining. But we don't believe we can pay you that $7 million that you deserve, that you've earned based on where you are now in your career. That's how they do. You know it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like this. I was at 12, but go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Hey, that's how they Do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, it's cool. But listen, I understand y' all don't appreciate Clay the way I do, but we appreciate him.

[Joe Johnson]

He's one of the great shooters of all time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen, I'm. Hey, when he died here, when he. He's the second greatest shooter of all time, actually. The second.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, I think I might be

[Chad Ochocinco]

down here in Miami.

[Joe Johnson]

Me, personally, when he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When he's in. Listen, when he's down here in Miami and he. And he lightened up at the Casa Center, y' all remember exactly what y' all said. Hey, Ash, make sure you. You. You clock this. And remember, I.

[Joe Johnson]

For me, I would take Dame because that. Because the problem is, is that we see Clay's numbers when Steph is not on the court. Steph is the greatest shooter because he's been the central part of the offense. Clay has never been the central part of an offense. He's been great, but he was never the main focus. The focus has always been Steph Dame, even though when he had cj, Dane was the focal. And that's why I give that. That's why I normally give. Guys that were the focal point of the offense, like Ray Allen don't get enough credit. People don't realize how great Ray was in Seattle and Milwaukee. Y' all just look at Ray in Boston. Y' all look at Ray when he went to Miami. But y' all better go check Ray Allen when he's in Seattle, in Milwaukee.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, hey, hey. When I came in at 01, I caught him in Milwaukee. Then when I went to Phoenix, I caught him when he was in Seattle. In Seattle. Here, he averaged about 26, 27 a game.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho and poking on, folks.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, yeah. Ray, serious now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Y'.

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[Joe Johnson]

Y' all forget. Y' all forget old 34. Oh, 34. Milwaukee before Giannis had 34. Ray Allen had 34.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, I'm talking about. Nice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. So that's why I kind of lean towards guys that were the focal point and the distance in which Dame shoot the ball from. That is ridiculous. Yeah, they're two guys that you really have to pick up. Like in their prime. You had to pick them up at half court. You couldn't let them see no day. And then Steph Curry, Steph, you started having to pick him up beyond half court because he'd take one step, him, and they would literally take one step, two dribbles past half court and let

[Chad Ochocinco]

it go at the goddamn level.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm like, come on, man, this is ridiculous.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, hey. He made it tough to guard him. Because think about this. If you got a guy come across half court one or two steps and he can let it ride, then the defense got to be extended. So now when the pick and roll come. Ocho, I got all this real estate to work. Once I come off this pick and roll up, oh, man, you at my mercy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, absolutely. And you get too close, they go right by you too.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson]

Now you get back door cuts because all of a sudden Draymond with a dribble. With his dribble, not Draymond. Fake it like he gonna hand it off and he turned and go to the rim and lay it up and dunk on you. And then the dribble handoff with Stephen and Steph got a. Steph and Dame, all those guys have done great jobs, can handle the ball, get it off the dribble. They can catch and shoot. They can finish at the rim. Even though neither one of those guys are mainly above the rim. I think Steph might got like five dunks in his career. Dave can dunk a little bit. Dame got some ups, but Steph, that

[Liberty City Legend]

boy done caught somebody. Dave didn't cause somebody, but Steph, I

[Joe Johnson]

think Steph got by. Steph said he was done. I think Steph dunked last year. Steph said, that's it for me.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, he ain't got it downhill where he's shooting that thing. Shooting a leather off that thing. You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

For sure. 76 is president. Bob Myers makes his case to LeBron and Rich Paul on why they should join the Sixers. If he was here, I'd say, honestly, I believe this is your best chance to win.

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[Joe Johnson]

You have to decide all the other things that are equally important. What I would just say is, if it's about winning, let's talk about this team. Because you can win here in Philly. Bob Myers is the one that helped put the, the Golden State warriors together, obviously, you know, with Clay and Steph and Draymond and all the pieces that they bought in moving David Lee and doing certain things like that and, you know, going out and getting KD and adding all those pieces. So he's done a great job. He knows what it takes. He knows what a championship winning basketball team looks like. And he says, with you, we can win and we can win big. If I, if I am listening to him and hearing him correctly, Joe, what do you think? Bob Myers, because he was talking, if I'm not mistaken, I think he was talking to Rich Paul on him. On him. Max's Kellerman show.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah. Hey, listen, I think Brian going to Philly will be great, Uncle Ocho. Only thing, man, I'm telling y', all, everything gonna be revolved around embid and his health, bro. How many games he gonna be able to play, what type of shape his ass gonna be coming into camp, you know, looking like. Because if I'm Braun, it's like that. That's a risk that you're gonna have to take. And. And I. I agree with Bob. Having Braun put you over the top, because once you get to the postseason, man, y' all see how the game slows down. You gotta have guys who can control the game from start to finish, can manipulate the defense and get whatever the hell he want. And I don't think nobody's better than that, than LeBron James. I'm sorry. So I agree, wherever he goes, he gonna put whatever team he goes to over the top. Out of them four or five teams, whatever the case may be. But I wouldn't mind seeing him in Philly, too, in the Eastern Conference. Amen. He. He. He got. He got some good choices to pick from, I tell you that. But I'm with Bob. Bob, Bob, no, hell, he. He built that. He helped build, you know, that great warriors team. So adding Braun to that equation in Philly, if indeed is healthy again. Ojo, I'm sorry, bro. They gonna. They. They gonna be the favorites. Trust me.

[Joe Johnson]

What you thinking, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I didn't say this on every show that y'. All. Listen. The fact that the chat continues not to listen to me, the fact that YouTube continue not to listen to me, when it comes to my basketball savviness, I've been right. My percentage, I'm at, like, 97 when it comes to my basketball.

[Joe Johnson]

Now. You're a basketball.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, listen. On, on and off the court, whether it's. Whether it's predicting game, whether. Predicting where players are going to go. The fact that y' all still question my knowledge at this point, with the success that I've had on this show, is beyond me. Listen, I respect all the opinions, the points that you guys are making on LeBron going to these teams and how he improves them exponentially is taken into consideration. But again, the best fit for him is still in Miami, you know, with him being able to do what he liked to do and having the ball on his hands and being able to facilitate, being able to dictate when he wants to put himself into a game and when he wants to turn it off when he wants to turn it off. Having Bam and having Giannis, along with the other complimentary pieces that. That Pat and Mickey Arison are going to provide for him in Miami is the best. Best fit for him. Listen, Chad, I'm not sure what's wrong with you guys that are not agreeing with me, but, I mean, you might be biased.

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[Joe Johnson]

No, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I'm not biased. I'm listening to both of you. Both of you made.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I'm saying. They're saying you're biased because you live in Miami. Obviously, you want what's best. You are Miami native. You want what's best for the Guppies. You want what's best for the Heat. You want what's best for the Marlins. So they're not. They're like. If you take. If you take your fandom out of it, is that really.

[Chad Ochocinco]

My fandom's not in it. Yeah, my Phantom's not in it. My Phantom's not in it. I'm understanding LeBron is on his last leg, huh? Listen, you want to go out like them and Louise, you want to go out going off that cliff, you know, riding off into the sunset, and if you want to do it the best way, we the only place that got the best sun.

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[Liberty City Legend]

All right, all right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Where else is there?

[Joe Johnson]

Whatever. If you're talking about, you know, the sun and sand like that, I get all that, but I'm not so sure based on. And like Joe said, Embiid is. Is. Is the key. Is the key factor, because can he give us 65, 70 games?

[Liberty City Legend]

I don't know. That's a lot of. Damn. That's a lot of games.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When is the last time?

[Joe Johnson]

My thing is, Joe, it's not so much 6570. I'm talking about with playoffs included, because he give you 65 games in a regular season, and then he only give you five in the. In the postseason. Don't do nothing. Cause you saw what happened. You saw what happened last year. Yeah, he missed something.

[Liberty City Legend]

That's what I said.

[Joe Johnson]

Go ahead.

[Liberty City Legend]

You gotta.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, you.

[Liberty City Legend]

You gotta see where his mind at, bro. Is he. Is he willing to take his body through the vigorous, you know, schedule of training and really, really coming into camping shape? That's the main thing, bro. You can't use camp to get in shape. You know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta.

[Liberty City Legend]

Especially. I'm speaking of championship caliber teams, because they come in, they ready to hit the flow and get going, bro. Yeah, we ain't got time to be waiting. Catching up you know, Brian gonna come in looking like a boxer at 42 years old. That man finna come in. Hey, listen, he. He feel like he gonna have a point to prove. JB gonna have a point to prove. That's the only thing. Okay, Ocho, you think about it. Cause you got Maxi and Edgecombe. You don't want them to get lost in the sauce along the way, because you don't want to stunt they grunt. You know what I mean? So that's another thing that you got to take into consideration, because you.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, them boys need the ball now, especially Maxi. Because when you give the ball to Maxi, you look at the way Maxi plays when Embiid is not in there and he has the ball. And look at the way he plays when he has the ball and then beads in there. So now you add another guy to that mix. You add another guy, same thing. If I'm not mistaken, I think Maxi, when. When Harden was there, he couldn't be. The best thing to happen was they turned it over to Maxi. And you see him grow. Look. Look at his numbers. The moment they got rid of Harden, because it's hard enough, you got Harden and then Maxi, the third option. So he really couldn't. He really couldn't. He really couldn't do what he needed to do. Because, you know, we already know Embiid is an mvp. He got to get his touches. It is what it is. Harden is an mvp, and Harden is best when he has the ball in his hand.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And it wasn't until they got off Harden that we saw what Maxi, what many believe Maxi could be what he currently is, a phenomenal player, but he needs the ball. I would see him go to Golden State.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, that's that. That's why it seems like Golden State and Miami are the front runners. Because Cleveland, you know, Donovan and James Harden gonna need the ball just as much as Edgecombe, and Maxi is gonna need it in Philly.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, too much confusion, man.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, he. He. He. He'll be able to. He'll be able to kind of just play make and kind of float. Ocho, he go to Miami or Golden State.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you over there in Philly. Huh? Huh? Jalen Brown need the ball. Max need the ball. Then plugging up the paint because he ain't really no stress 5 here. You know, he a big who play with his back to the back. That's too. Too much confusion, man. Too much confusion slowing everything down. Come on down here Tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, it's not like they got the best shooting team in Philly either Joe.

[Liberty City Legend]

Now, but they got some guys who can catch and shoot. Like I think Maxi is a pretty good catch and shoot edge come. Obviously he's gonna get better. JB can, they can play off the ball, but hell, they want that, they

[Joe Johnson]

want that impactful on it.

[Liberty City Legend]

There you go, there you go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, her little birdies, man, you know, Demar, you know, little homie, you know, out of la.

[Liberty City Legend]

They say he coming to Miami.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I don't know. I don't know. You know, I gotta holler at my homeboy and you know, see what, see where his mind at, what he like, you know, we want to, we want to stay out west. You want to come on down here east.

[Liberty City Legend]

Well, the problem is, the problem if, if Miami try to go get the rose in Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend]

As great as the Rosen is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, take your time, take your time.

[Liberty City Legend]

He's a mid range assassin. He's really not a guy that I would really, I can really, really see playing off Giannis Braun and bam. If you just want me to be 100.

[Joe Johnson]

Unless he's coming off the bench and

[Liberty City Legend]

him, I, I mean he'll probably get a chance to where he can go star somewhere. Uncle. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, at this, at this point in time, what's going to be important to him? Does he really want a chance to compete for a title? Because he hadn't had that in a very, very long time. He's made his money. And that's the thing, you know, coming off the bench, Joe. And so now, you know, you come off the bench, yo, you going to get some backup. Now the thing is, he's a starter.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, he'll start. Hey, listen, and coming off that bench, it takes some time adjusting because think about this. At 36 years old, I throw you in that damn game. Come mid second quarter, you, you get no damn time to warm up. You got to get right to it. I'm telling you, it's difficult off that bench, boy. It's a little different. I'm saying it's different coming off the bench when you've been starting pretty much your whole career and everybody, every team you've been on, they've kind of played through you and now you going just to be a small piece of a puzzle. It takes some adjusting.

[Joe Johnson]

So you ain't lying, Joe. Cause they put my homeboy in the game. Lee. We used to work at Georgia Tech and they're like flowers you up, man, he been sitting on that bed, that joker running down the field, stretching, man. I'm over,

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[Joe Johnson]

I'm crying, laughing, man, you. But you write your ain't. Hey, when you. When you. As you get older, bro. I need to get out there, man. I can't be. Hey, you jumping up and down. Are you running on there, getting on the bike and trying to warm the legs up?

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, hey, hey, you got them heat packs on your knees. You like, Damn. I know he gonna throw me in there in a minute. Let me put these heat packs on here. Hey, man, listen. You got. You got to be ready.

[Joe Johnson]

You go, hey, hey, Greek, give me a quick stretch. Hey, you go get. You go to the strength and condition coach. Hey, you lay it down. Hey, give me.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

man, I'm over there, man. I'm over there. Tired of the skin on the grape, man.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, listen, listen. And then when you jump in the game, it's already going 40 north.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Liberty City Legend]

I'm talking about at a high rate, and you got to catch up right away. Hell, it gonna take you four, five trips up and down the court before you even get this thing started.

[Joe Johnson]

Hammies feeling like guitar strings. Like, oh, I said, boy, sure. Don't let me pull that down, man.

[Liberty City Legend]

Lord have mercy.

[Joe Johnson]

They know damn well. Hey, just let me start. I come out after the first play, but I got. I need to be on the field. Let me do something, man. I can't be sitting over here three, four minutes done going off the clock before you put me in.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hell, no.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but do you realize. Do you really believe, Joe, that this is a place that LeBron could win a championship in Philly? With the Caster character that you mentioned? Joel Embiid, Tyrese Max, Jaylen Brown, VJ Edgecombe, do you believe this is a place that he could actually win a title?

[Liberty City Legend]

I think so. I'll get it. You gotta have a real meeting with the guys, though, you know, because you're gonna need everybody to buy in, bro. We understand everybody have individual goals and team goals, and you want to meet your individual goals. I ain't mad at that. But at the same time, all of our goals got to be aligned to what it is. The ultimate, you know, prize is to win a title. You know what I mean? Do I think he have a chance if he go to Philly? Yes, I think he got a chance if you go a couple more places, too.

[Joe Johnson]

What's up, Uncle Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's too many people in Philly. They got to prove themselves it's not gonna work. You got jb, who just got traded, right? JB need that ball. JB finish. Show you y' all let me go, right? I need to show y' all y' all made a mistake. You got LeBron at 42 years old going to a team. We already have two players that need the ball in the hand to be able to get jiggy and do what they already do. Then LeBron also wants to prove himself. I don't care what kind of meeting they have, what kind of meeting they have, what kind of meeting LeBron hold with them. Too many people have to prove themselves, and too many people on that team actually need the ball in their hands for it to.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't think. You don't think Giannis wants to prove himself? You don't think Bam wants to prove himself? You don't think if they get Clay, he wants to prove himself, so where can he go other than Golden State, where guys don't have to prove themselves.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got to prove themselves over there.

[Joe Johnson]

No, they don't. Yeah, definitely already proven.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I bet. So it's been, so is Bam nothing?

[Joe Johnson]

Ram ain't one. No title. Johnny's got to prove now. They gave up what they gave for him. He's got to prove he can win a title. That's why he went to Miami. He felt he could. His best chances were by. Because there's two teams that he's willing to sign off on. Boston and. And Miami. Boston offered two years, Miami offering three. So. So where. Where is he? Harden and Donovan Mitchell gotta prove something. Evan Mobley gotta prove something. So I'm trying to figure out, again, where does he. Where can he go other than Golden State? They ain't got to prove nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they do. So what they playing for if they ain't got to prove nothing?

[Joe Johnson]

It's a difference. So let me ask you a question. If Steph don't win another championship, that changed the way you. You look at it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No. Absolutely.

[Liberty City Legend]

Why not?

[Joe Johnson]

Why?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because the team he's around, they suck. They ain't gonna win another title.

[Joe Johnson]

So now you go to Philly, you say they gotta prove. So what. What does. What does JB have to prove?

[Chad Ochocinco]

That he can. That he can do the same thing he did when he was in Boston.

[Joe Johnson]

What does the B. What does Maxi gotta prove?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They didn't still play at a high level. Now that he got the ball in hard.

[Joe Johnson]

What about Embiid?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He prove he can stay healthy?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Now let's go to the other team, Cleveland, who need to Prove something over there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, shoot. Donovan Mitchell. And hold on. He definitely get the ball because you saw what he just got paid.

[Liberty City Legend]

Go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

What about James Harden?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he definitely got a lot to prove. Not in the regular season, but in the.

[Joe Johnson]

What about Evan Moble?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that's young boy that played a foe, huh? Yeah, yeah, he nice. I like him.

[Joe Johnson]

But he got approved because you saw it. Now we. Now we get to Giannis. Giannis left. He says, I'm leaving Milwaukee because I. Y' all don't have enough here, so I need to go there. So now he's got to prove outside of Milwaukee, he had no long. He had no more faith in Milwaukee. He put all his trust and. And Pat Riley, Mickey Aronson, Eric Spoelstra.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, can I tell you something, too? And Joe, what was that? And. And I hate to. Hate to just disclose this information. You know, I don't want to mess up my sources. Right. Do you know, before players move. Right. Regards to the intel and, and. And word of mouth. And, and the sources said this. You know, these players, they do converse with each other.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Before these moves are made, you know, they have conversations. Right. Well, you listen. This is what's going to happen. No, I'm trying to get down here, and if I come here, please let me know. I won't say anything. Let me know what you think before I make this move.

[Joe Johnson]

But I. I'm just trying to figure out. You don't think.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you think. Listen, Giannis and.

[Liberty City Legend]

And Bam.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And. And LeBron have had conversations, understanding the landscape on. On what makes the most sense for everybody in its totality, while we sit here and have conversation and dialogue on where he might go or what bet what's the best fit. And. And what do you think? No, no, no. Everything is already in place. LeBron already knows where he's going. He already knows where he's going. But this is. This is what I like about having being in a position of power where you control everything. You know how Aaron Rodgers does. Always have everybody on pins and needles waiting to see what he's gonna do. We want to know. He's gonna be our quarterback, is he not? LeBron is in a position to be able to do the same thing.

[Liberty City Legend]

I don't think he know where he going.

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yet.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm telling you, Joe, he know.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think we.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We talk about a strategist.

[Liberty City Legend]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Someone very methodical in all the moves that he's made all his life. He knows where he's going.

[Liberty City Legend]

I. I Think I think he got. Well, obviously he got some options, but I think he kind of weighing them right now. Meaning, like, he wants to know, okay, if I do sign him?

[Joe Johnson]

Pros and cons about everything, Joe, I agree with you.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yeah, yeah. Like, who the hell else y'. All. Y' all going to get if y' all get me? You know what I mean? Because the roster still got to be filled out. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, it's going to fill out. It's going to fill out like a bbl. Don't worry about it.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, if you go back and look at LeBron, he kind of likes. With the exception of the Lakers, that was the only unknown that we've ever seen him go to. When he met the mirror, when he went to Miami, what did he know? He came in with Bosch. He knew D. Wade. He goes back to Cleveland. He had already been to Cleveland. He goes to Golden State. He's very familiar with Stephen. They compete against each other, and I think they got really close when they played on the Olympic team.

[Liberty City Legend]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Philly is an unknown. Even though he and Tyrese Maxey are really good friends. You know, I think he really likes Tyrese Maxey. He's not familiar with Philly, that organization, or those guys like he say he were when he went to Miami or like when he went back to Cleveland. Because Cleveland, he's grew up 30. What, he's 45 minutes away in Akron. So he's very familiar with Cleveland. He knew Dan Gilbert. So I think for me. And now if he were to go to Miami, obviously, he knows Bo, he knows Mickey and he knows Pat. He knows Rouse. He doesn't. Yeah, he played on the Olympic team with. With Bam this past in 24 in Paris. He's not that. I mean, he's competing against Giannis, but you don't really know Giannis that well. Not like he knows Steph, because they've been on all star teams together, you know, more times than not. And so it's going to be really, really interesting. I do. I think Ocho, I think apart, I think he know, look, Miami, look, we know the teams. I don't think nobody else is in. Nobody else in the running. I don't think anybody else is called Rich. I think Philly believe they have a chance. I think Miami believe they have a chance. Cleveland have believed they have a chance. And Golden State believe they have a chance. Have a chance.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let me tell you, if Braun and Steph want to play together, they gonna play together. It won't be on the same team. It'll probably be an All Star Game.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, it won't be an All Star Game because Steph will be in The west and LeBron will be in the East.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, well, listen, they might be on the same team, but they're gonna play together, just on opposite teams. That's exactly where it's gonna happen.

[Joe Johnson]

But.

[Liberty City Legend]

Well, you heard Steph. Steph said he been. He been calling the man.

[Joe Johnson]

They don't let him get on the golf course together, Joe. Cause, you know, a lot of deals been made on the golf course, Ocho.

[Liberty City Legend]

Oh, man, you know what? That might be the separator right there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, I see y' all don't understand. See, Steph playing the game with LeBron, he feeding that information out there to keep everybody in confusion, as if he doesn't know where he's going. Listen, I'm trying to lure him over here. Steph know where the hell he going. Draymond know where the hell he going.

[Liberty City Legend]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

This is. This is. This is all. It's all about the mystique, you know? Keep everybody going, keep everybody talking, you know? Yeah, I. I know. See, I understand the game. Y' all just ain't peep game, right?

[Liberty City Legend]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I. I would play the game, too.

[Liberty City Legend]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna get me a Golden State number. 23, though. Oh, that's Draymond's number. Isn't Draymond 23?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend]

Is he 23? I don't know. I know he wore 23 in college.

[Joe Johnson]

I think 23 with.

[Liberty City Legend]

Hey, but Chad, you think Br gonna go. He'll go to a different number, though, I don't think. I think he gonna go to a whole new.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I forgot. You can't do six anymore because it's retired around the league. That's Mr. Russell's number, so it's retired. So he got to go.

[Liberty City Legend]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

I guess he got to get nine. His Olympic number or the number that he wore in football and at high school.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Seven.

[Joe Johnson]

He wore nine.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, but not. Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, his Olympic number was nine, and his football number was nine.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay, okay. Hey, Chat swear they know everything, man. They say they swear because they got. They got degrees and stuff. Y' all know everything. Hold on. Since y' all know. Since y' all know everything, what's. What's the difference between a sock and a camera?

[Liberty City Legend]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. How about that? Since y' all know everything, what's the difference. Hey, Uncle Joe. No, Joe. What's the difference between a sock and a camera?

[Liberty City Legend]

A sock Yes, a sock and a camera.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A camera? Yeah.

[Liberty City Legend]

I don't know Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, I'm gonna tell you, huh. One takes five toes, the other takes four toes.

[Joe Johnson]

This man need help.

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