Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Deebo TROLLS Cavs! Browns Hectic OTAs, Steelers RB1 Battle

Summary

Nightcap Podcast: Deebo & Joe – Part 1

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May 25, 2026 | Shay Shay Media & Playmaker

Overview

In this lively Nightcap episode, NFL legends James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Haden go all-in on current NBA and NFL headlines, bringing their trademark mix of trash talk, humor, and insider athlete perspective. With the NBA Playoffs heating up, the hosts hash out the Cavs’ collapse to the Knicks, transition into spicy debates about coaching, effort, and analytics, then move to Browns OTAs, Steelers’ running back competition, and philosophical musings on money versus legacy in sports. Fans of candid, unfiltered locker room banter get exactly what they came for.

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NBA Playoff Talk: Cavs vs Knicks

[05:53] – [14:19]

Cavs’ Struggles & Knicks’ Dominance

• Joe Haden, a proud Cavs fan, starts in a dejected mood after another Cavs loss in the Eastern Conference Finals:

  “It's another not, not, not too good, Debo. Not too good. Not too good. We lost again. Knicks came into the crib. Game three got us out the way.” [07:18]

• Deebo needles Joe, accusing the Cavs of seeking “moral victories”:

  “Oh, we going for moral victories now, I see.” [08:10]

• Joe defends his loyalty but laments the Cavs’ lack of defensive effort, especially late in games:

  “The effort at the end of the game when we're just letting Jalen Brunson just go by us and give us buckets. I can't want it more than they want it for themselves.” [08:48]

• Both hosts roast the Cavs’ coach for using analytics as an excuse:

  “Analytics don't play the game. The players. He didn't have to answer that question in any type of way.” – Deebo [09:53]
  “I don't care what stats you're talking about, don't be up to one.” – Joe [19:06]

Classic Trash Talk

• Deebo mocks Joe for calling out “pride,” warning him:

  “Hey, hey, hey, hey. What they say pride comes before the fall, right?” [12:24]

• Joe, clinging to hope, insists the Cavs won’t be swept—Deebo bites back:

  “You fought the good fight. Y' all ain't even put up a fight.” [12:33]

• As defeat looms, Joe finds solace in 2016:

  “Look, y' all was right…we got real hardware. We got the 2016 Cavs championship ring here.” [26:12]

• Deebo counters with the Steelers’ Super Bowl legacy:

  “I had that feeling twice. It was me…I'm in the actual action.” [27:42]

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Coaching, Analytics & Roster Moves

[14:51] – [21:41]

Cavs Coaching Decisions

• Joe expresses frustration at the Cavs coach for the “we should be up 2–1 analytically” comment:

  “Like, just don't say that. We should be up 2 to 1 when we're down 0-3.” [14:09]

• Both hosts debate team building:

  • Joe wants to bring LeBron back to Cleveland, keep the current core, and run it back with Coach—so long as he doesn’t repeat past PR mistakes:

    “Bron's can play the one... bringing Bron back, bringing D. Mitch back, bringing Jared Allen back, bringing Mobley back.” [20:22]

  • Deebo remains skeptical and challenges Joe on whether bringing in Bron would change the coach’s approach.

Roster Philosophy

• Joe highlights the Cavs’ need for youth and effort, not just big names:

  “We need more youth or more effort. We need a younger guard.” [19:37]

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Steelers Running Back Battle

[29:03] – [36:51]

• Discussion on expectation that Rico Dowdle and Jalen Warren will compete for RB1, but with differences in role:

  “I see Jalen being a full every down back. I see Rico...that would be more for Jalen probably in the third down, but I don't see him limiting his role to strictly third.” – Joe [29:47]

• Deebo emphasizes the value of having two punishing, downhill runners to wear down defenses:

  “We're dedicating to the run. We want two running backs that can go out there and punish tacklers...that’s hard work for defenders.” [30:43]

• Both agree the Steelers shouldn’t pigeonhole their backs, and expect a physical, relentless approach.

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Browns OTAs Drama: QB Battle & Coach vs. Media

[36:51] – [45:30]

• The Browns’ quarterback competition between Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson is a major storyline.

• Offensive coordinator Todd Monken shows irritation at media repeating the same questions.

  “He could just not respond to it and just be like, yo, nothing's changed. We're where we're at.” – Deebo [38:22]
  “We're talking about basically now coaches getting media trained the same way that players do…” – Joe [40:08]

Media Training Advice

• The hosts discuss how coaches should handle repeated QB battle inquiries:

  “You gotta give yourself more training and know what's going on. You setting yourself up for these questions.” – Joe [41:07]

• Both recommend ignoring bait, keeping answers bland, and refusing to let journalists take control:

  “You are in control of this interview. Don't let the interviewer take control of you. You stare this conversation the way you want to.” – Joe [42:07]

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Discipline & Penalties: Browns’ Culture Change

[46:04] – [54:59]

• Browns’ new focus on zero tolerance for penalties under Monken draws praise:

  “He really emphasized that if we haven't a penalty out there, we're reloading the play. If they're false starting, you're coming out. So it really forces accountability onto you…” – Deebo [46:57]

• Joe argues discipline starts at practice for all players:

  “All the little things equate to big things...the coach holding them accountable, it doesn't matter who you are.” [52:18]

• Both agree pre-snap penalties are a sign of mental laziness, not talent, and should be eliminated at all levels.

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Joe Burrow, Leadership & NFL Money vs Legacy

[54:59] – [64:24]

Burrow’s Role and Locker Room Dynamics

• Joe Burrow tells media he had less involvement in offseason decisions, leading to jokes about “escape plans” and setting expectations:

  “I would say, if anything, I was less involved this year than in years past.” – Burrow (quoted by Deebo) [55:54] “I think Joe was just letting y' all know I like the way things going, but all the stuff where y' all saying I had something to do with this ain't had nothing to do with me.” – Deebo [57:25]

Locker Room, Money & Legacy

• The hosts get philosophical—what’s more important: hundreds of millions or winning a Lombardi?

  “Will you take the $900 [million], no Super Bowls, or...go and get a Super Bowl, but you only get a hundred?” – Deebo [61:11]

• Both wrestle with the meaning of legacy, pride, and what they’d trade for rings vs wealth.

  “My name means something, dog. I can't do it.” – Deebo [60:21] “Why can't we just be good, get paid and win the Super Bowl? That's the goal.” – Joe [60:41]

• Deebo, ever the champ, playfully invites Burrow to join the Steelers’ legendary trophy collection.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Deebo on “moral victories”:
  “That's all y' all really about right now, is more of it.” [24:34]

• Joe on Cavs heartbreak:
  “We was up 22, showed them how we were supposed to do it, then we would have been a whole different story.” [24:40]

• Deebo on pre-snap discipline:
  “Pre-snap penalties is something you cannot allow. It will kill you. It would destroy your rhythm. It would destroy your. It would. It will mess up everything.” [54:02]

• Joe on what coaches and players owe the media:
  “You gotta give yourself more training and know what's going on. You setting yourself up for these questions.” [41:07]

• Deebo on money vs. legacy:
  “It dictates that a man of your skill level, Joe Burrow should have. Lombardi should have rings on his fingers. That is straight from the NFL Pittsburgh.” [62:25]

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TIMESTAMPS for Key Segments

• NBA Playoff Talk (Cavs-Knicks, Coaching, “Moral Victories”): [05:53] – [21:41]
• Steelers RB1 Battle: [29:03] – [36:51]
• Browns OTAs & QB Media Fights: [36:51] – [45:30]
• Browns Penalty Culture Change: [46:04] – [54:59]
• Joe Burrow, Leadership & NFL Money vs Legacy: [54:59] – [64:24]

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The Bottom Line

This episode delivers an always-entertaining, genuinely insightful blend of game breakdowns, athlete philosophy, and old-school trash talk. Deebo is relentless with the jokes and challenges, while Joe brings heartfelt fandom and reasoned, behind-the-scenes analysis. Whether you’re a Cavs defender, football strategist, or just a fan of locker-room banter, this Nightcap satisfies.

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[Joe Hayden]

Come on man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But listen here. We want to start off by saying hey, Happy Memorial Day. We want to thank all the people, men, women that, you know, have served our great country and allow us to do what we doing right now, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And you know what I'm saying, giving us these freedoms that we enjoy and the sacrifices that they made, their families made. We're thankful for that. Memorial Day, Joe. Here's the crazy thing, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, somebody called me. It's Memorial Day.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Don't you.

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't even.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I didn't go, don't you do it.

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Somebody called me chat and they said, you know, it's Memorial Day. I'm like, yeah, well, we ain't. We ain't doing nothing. We ain't got to show her nothing, right? What's going on, Joe? Yeah, we talked about this. We talked about this Friday and how you was. How you was gonna be two, one going to the game to set it. Two, two. And. And that ain't. That ain't. That ain't what happened, Joe. How you gonna come with the like, oh, I ain't even know we had a show. I had to cancel this. I had to cancel. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

It's like you said, more your day is more important things than. You know what I'm saying to talk.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Look here, look. Hey, hey. Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you guys like, subscribe and down where you get your podcast. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Hey, how you doing today, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

It's another not, not, not too good, Debo. Not too good. Not too good. We lost again. We lost again. Knicks came into the crib. Game three got us out the way.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What happened? What went on? I mean, what was so difficult? I mean, I mean, there's probably.

[Joe Hayden]

It wasn't. It wasn't really that. This is what I kind of realizing, okay. I'm loving my team. I'm loving the Cavs. Look, we made it this far. You know, Debo, I do love the Cavs. That is not something I like a lot. I do love the Cavs. I have a genuine. I love them. That's my squad. And that's what. You know what? Even when they playing bad, you don't have to. I'm not going to cry about it. There are only four teams left in the whole thing right now, and we're one of the squads.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, we going for moral victories now, I see.

[Joe Hayden]

Be quiet. I don't want to hear it. Cavs are in there. Everybody else is team all about the. All these other teams. Boston Everybody's out. Oh, Cavs, we won our joint in 2016. When's the last time the Knicks won the championship? 1973. I wasn't even born, okay? So I'm happy for the Knicks. They're looking good. But I'm telling you, we're talking about my Cavs right now. I'm not going to come out here and not still support my dogs. Even though right now the Knicks look superior. We aren't being every time they look

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

superior or y' all defense is trash.

[Joe Hayden]

Our defense, the effort at the end of the game when we're just letting Jalen Brunson just go by us and give us buckets. I can't want it more than they wanted for themselves. So if I'm looking at the game outside, looking in right now, Knicks look good, Cavs. Just the spirit. And then our coach after the game. Okay, I spazzed out at first when I heard what he said when he was talking about analytically, we're up two to one. I almost.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, I did not understand.

[Joe Hayden]

I say, okay, shall he be fired? Shall he be fired? But I slowed down because you got to be slow to react. You got to understand the media be setting you up with these questions. So the question that they ask is, what is the reasons that the Cav should have any hope that we can come back in the series? That's the only reason that he could even possibly say that out of his mouth about hope for us to come back in the series and the lyrically that we're up. But all right, I just wanted to say that first, but because still without

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

that, analytics don't play the game. The players. He didn't have to answer that question in any type of way. That somebody think positive about analytics that would make him think that this is something great that they done had going on because of the analytics. Get rid of that. Go out there and put in some effort. Do some defense. Man, I could make that. I could deal with. Harden did.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, it is an effort thing. It is a want to. It is a still the. The scheme that we're doing. You can't just be leaving people wide open. Jalen Brunson doing his damage. But our. Our thing was defense. We were getting bullied. And every time we can't. They get on spurts. They get on spurts where they can score. If we're tied, we're down by five. Game three, we were always down by 10, always down by 12. We would get close, and then we could not stop a nosebleed. So and then at the end of the game when Jalen Brunson is dribbling it and everybody's just letting him go free and get the layups, they. It looks like we gave up, so

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

letting them go free, man, that left hand off the top of that glass was killing them. And yes, they let him keep going to it. Then they kept letting him going right over there to the other side and just shooting that all up in their eye.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, we. The Knicks look good. I'm not here to be a hater on good basketball. I've been here to support myself, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I understand. Goodbye. Listen, I understand good basketball.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But what I don't understand is. No. The lack of effort of defense. That's what your man's. It don't matter about the end. I'm talking all together, man. They were. They were just not. Dude, it's like the effort wasn't there. They was trying to save some energy on the offensive side. So I don't know what was going on, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't have any energy to save. I need more like you saying the effort. The effort, the want to the slide, the drive. Like, you can't just be letting people go by you. And that's not going to work. The Knicks, they're too big. Jalen Brunson's getting buckets. It's not. It's not looking good for us.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, you think? Yeah. Hey. Hey. You going to the game?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm checking. The weather is looking a little crazy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't hold up, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You said Memorial Day.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I got no matter what, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm out there no matter what. I'm playing. I'm joking, Debo. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm still out there. I'm going up there. We're not getting swelled. We got to do it for the pride. We gotta do it for the pride. Game four, we can't get sweat.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Pride. Hey, hey, hey, hey. What they say pride comes before the fall, right?

[Joe Hayden]

They do it is what it is. We fought the good fight.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You ain't fight a good fight. Y' all ain't even put up a fight.

[Joe Hayden]

We made it to the in the Eastern Conference finals. My boys done played hella games. There's no excuses. Hey, there's no excuses.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

There's no do what y' all want to do to us. We made it this far. We number four in the league.

[Joe Hayden]

H. It all started in game one. If you're going to tell me when we're up 22 points with 7 minutes and 25 seconds left. any point in any game where we're playing against the Knicks, I don't feel like they can't come back. If we were. If we're ever up, they go on spurts when they could just score 15, 17 runs, and there's nothing that can happen. So from that first game, we was up 22. We did our thing. Dudes balled out. We fought the good fight, tried to go steal game one, and they stole that game from us. Debo. That was.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I mean, that was it. They gave up then.

[Joe Hayden]

It wasn't it. But as a. For me, look outside looking in. Like, we need that to at least be, boom. Now we're 11 at the worst, going to the crib.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen, ain't that when they started talking to analytics with Analytically, you know, we. You know, analytically.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Now I'm sounding like I should have been fired, but that's. That's. I'm a fan. I'm a fan.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Like, what we gonna do? I mean, after y'. All. What we gonna do?

[Joe Hayden]

What are we gonna do, Coach?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What y' all doing with Kenny?

[Joe Hayden]

His. Okay. What did you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hat on, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

We were the number one seed last year. This year. Just. Just don't say that ever again. I don't care what the question is. Like, just don't say that. We should be up 2 to 1 when we're down.03. Like, I don't want to fire him off that, but it's an.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hold up, hold up, Joe. You just said it's cool. You was on it. You was mad at first, but now you were like, oh, you understand how he's saying it? Da, da, da. But now you back to. Don't you ever say that again. Your ass getting up out of here.

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[Joe Hayden]

I'm saying moving. I'm saying this moving forward. Please don't ever say that again. I can understand why you said it a little bit from the ant, from the question that they gave you. It was a setup. They tried to set you up. I know that's the only reason why you would say we should be up to one analytically. From the shot chart misses and we're down. Oh, three. Please don't say that. Like, I don't want my coach to ever say that we should be up when we're down. Like literally when you're. When you're down zero to three, you. I don't care what stats you're talking about, don't be up to one.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I had to go back and look because I thought they was up. I said I must have missed. I must have been living in some other.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, we were down zero to three. So just don't ever say that again. He's a good coach. He had us as the number one seed last year. This seed. This. This year we were number four. Is just the Donovan Mitchell. Keep Donovan Mitchell. Keep Evan Mobley. Keep. Keep Jackson.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Right. What we doing with Harden?

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. I don't know because we just need.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You don't know what you.

[Joe Hayden]

James Harden, he's. We to go to the championship. I don't think we're going to have to. We can't have James Harden because we need more youth or more effort. We need a younger guard. I was a little upset where at the same time not knock. James Harden's a great player. I. Last year we had Darius Garland and people be forgetting about Darius. It's like, oh, he was hurt. He didn't play last year in the playoffs. We had the same squad and we didn't have him. I think if we would have had Darius this year, just a more quicker. You know what I'm saying? Younger, youthful guard that can go get us some play some harder defense, give us a little more O. I think we would have been good. We're going to get Bron back this off season. You know what I'm saying? He come back to the land.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You going to get Bron back, you think?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, I think. I think it would be best. I think it'd be best free agent for him to go try to be the best chance to go win the ship again. D Mitch running it back with the same squad. Bronze can play the one.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That's where you got You. You. So you go bring Brian back.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm bringing Braun back, bringing D. Mitch back, bringing Jared Allen back, bringing Mobley back. And then we're going to work and

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

figure out with the same head coach.

[Joe Hayden]

Same head coach. If he don't say that and he just can't say that again, not matter. He would. I don't think he would say that with Brown. Huh? Yep. I don't think he would say that, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So you telling me he just said that because he ain't.

[Joe Hayden]

We didn't have no. We didn't have no old. We didn't have no grown man, old head leadership.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You just searching. You reaching and grabbing for anything right now. You like, you ain't got nothing there. You know what I'm saying? Like, you. Like, what are we talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

You. Debo. You know, that actually made some sense, though, because Braun, he's free agent. We need him.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So you saying even though he coached y' all to a one and a four, when Brian get there, he go sit back and shut the hell up and let Brian say something. Then he go keep his mouth closed even though he coached out to a one and a four. But he ain't gonna say what he think is on his mind. No, no, no.

[Joe Hayden]

He's still going. He's still gonna do the coaching up part. But he knows now that that answer is going to get him too much. Like, don't. Don't say that. That just wasn't a good. That just not something that a head coach of a team should say, that we should be up 2 to 1 when we're down 0 to 3. You're a great coach because you put us in the number one seed. You got us in number four seed. And the only reason why you would say that, because we're literally down 03, is because the question is, what chance. What do you see? Is there any chance of the Cavs coming back in the series?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He's like, bro, I'm going to give you to hell. You want to talk. Analytics came back 3, 0.

[Joe Hayden]

Nobody. Nobody.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Analytic that the hell would. It should have been. Could have been an analytic said it, could have. Did it. Should have, could have. No. What did analytics say now when you down 3 0?

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, Debo, I'm with you on that. I don't agree with it. I was just trying to give him a. I was trying to see why he would even say that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Why am I getting upset? That's Cleveland.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. You care.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You care.

[Joe Hayden]

You for you from Akron.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't. I don't I don't really care like that. Listen, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Here it is, okay? I'm. I'm Team New York until.

[Joe Hayden]

For the ship.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Until they get done. No, until they get done with Cleveland. So as soon as they get to go ahead and sweep them boys up out the way tonight. Okay. Okay, Now I am against New York. I don't want New York to win. New York fans don't know how to act. They can't. They can't. They can't take a win. They can't. They ain't gonna know how to deal with it. They go talk crazy to deal with how they go talk and. And how they go act. I ain't dealing with none of that. Okay, so they need to go ahead and get popped by whoever come from the West. You know,

[Joe Hayden]

spurs or okc.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It don't matter who it is. Either one.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I think it's gonna be the spurs, but

[Joe Hayden]

okay. I like that. I like that pick. I love what's going on in the West.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It don't matter, dude. Either one of them. I don't care. I just cannot have New York Knicks win it. They ain't gonna know how to act. They might. I ain't gonna tell them what they gonna do. They might. They might do a little bit of anything, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm gonna rock with the Knicks. Cause if they beat us, I need to. Y' all need to go ahead and win the whole thing. That's gonna make me feel at least like, look, guys, we knew what they was on. They was on championship time. They went out there, got Shay out the way or Wimby out the way. They deserve it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, so you'll feel a lot better. I would feel way better if they go and win. What, you're saying another moral victory?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Because that's all y' all really about right now, is more of it.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, y' all was right.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We ain't gonna get swept. We got pride.

[Joe Hayden]

If y' all would have tightened up and we'd have locked in the whole time versus the Knicks. Beat him first. Beat him game one. We was up 22, showed them how we were supposed to do it, then we would have been a whole different story.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So I'm going ahead and rooting for the Knicks. Cause if they get us out the way like this, all this.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

If I'm expecting if was a fifth, I'd be drunk. But you see me sitting here sipping on this water. Ain't nothing in here but water.

[Joe Hayden]

You just. It's real easy for you. Cause you just get to go. You just get to go to field. You don't even pick nobody. You just get to go against whoever I'm going against. So it makes it easier for you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I was going against New York. No matter what happened, you just decided you wanted to go with him so y' all could feel better about getting y' all face kicked in and getting sweat.

[Joe Hayden]

That's all. Okay. Okay. Correct. Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

When they go over there and lose four, two, how you go filled in, then?

[Joe Hayden]

I'm going. No, for sure. We need more. We're gonna need more.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You go deep. What are you talking about? You need more? You need to lose a couple pieces, too. That's all they come down to people.

[Joe Hayden]

You don't know what you're talking about, man. 0malou. Yeah, we talking about. We talking moral victories and analytics today for the Cavs. That's crazy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Exactly. That's all y' all do. That's all y'. All. That's all.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what, though? How about. But this 2016 don't beat us. This real.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

This real came on. Y' all beat us. That was like our Super bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

You see the 2016 Cavs ring? Yeah, we did that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We.

[Joe Hayden]

We. We got real hardware. We got real hardware. We got the 2016 Cavs championship ring here.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, man, I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Hayden]

At least y' all got something.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That. That's good.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know, that's understanding.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? That's. Congratulations.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Congratulations.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you, bro.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Congratulations.

[Joe Hayden]

I appreciate that.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, you take that. You. You wrote what? What were you, 16?

[Joe Hayden]

What? In 2016. 2016. That was 10 years ago. I was 27 years old, kicking it when they beat Golden State. Yeah. At the parade. I got. I got footage. Oh, you got Cleveland on the. On the. Let's go, cats. Let's go, Cash.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What year did you go to the Steelers?

[Joe Hayden]

2017.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay? So. Yeah, okay. I mean, it is what it is, y'. All. I ain't. I ain't knocking it, you know, man, but I'm not.

[Joe Hayden]

Greatest comeback in history down 3:1.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Nobody knew it. LeBron did it. 3:1, not 3:0.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, but guess what? Look, we're not talking about right now. I'm talking about where I'm reminiscing. Debo, you be doing a lot of reminiscing about the good old Steelers days, so right now, I understand what you're saying. Good old Cav days. Y' all about to. Riding on them. We Was riding on the parade. Riding through downtown lit with the homies.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, that's cool. Hey, I understand how that feel. I had. I had that feeling twice. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man. You know I done jumped on it. Jumped onto the Cavs train.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, I'm just saying, man. I didn't have that feeling twice. It was me.

[Joe Hayden]

I did.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know, you.

[Joe Hayden]

I did.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? But I'm sitting there. I'm. I'm in. I'm in the actual action. You know what I'm saying? Y'. All. Y' all sitting there watching.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Y' all sitting on the side. Oh, I hate them, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I did it. As a fan. I don't care. It felt.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It is okay, man.

[Joe Hayden]

It felt good. Obviously. Obviously, I wasn't the player. It would have felt better to win the Super Bowl. But look, I'm rooting for my squad and calves out, and I got me. I got me a piece of that hardware. Shout out, Dan.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What time you going, bro?

[Joe Hayden]

What time? Be there at seven.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay. What's. What's going down? You want. You need me to come through. You need support. What you want me to do?

[Joe Hayden]

Nope, nope, nope, nope. I don't need none of that. You gonna bring bad. I can already feel it. You already. Yeah, yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What am I gonna do that's gonna be worse than what y' all been doing to your damn self?

[Joe Hayden]

Just pissing me off while I'm watching it. If it's happening, I don't need anything else. Feed. You sitting there enjoying it. No, no, bro. You for that. No. Not to be sitting there looking at me laughing like, oh, Joe. Yeah, this is how they do it. No, bro, be quiet.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, man, it's. So, listen, I'm gonna go ahead, man. We're gonna jump into a little bit of the Stillers, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, let's do it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Steelers man Rico Dowdle and Jane and Jalen Warren. They consider them both running back options as RB1s, whatever. But I guess we got a Pittsburgh Post Gazette writer. He said he's looking forward to the possibility of Warren returning to a third down receiving back row as a change of pace to Doddle. So I guess he's looking at Dotto actually being like a. Just the running back for, like, first and second down and switching him out. What do you think of that, bro? You think about something that's gonna happen or what? I mean, you think the. I mean, when you look at it, it's, ah. I mean, if you're looking at numbers, it's possible, but what do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

I think, I don't know, I like both of them to do a little bit of everything, you know, I think Rico Dodo is definitely a little bigger, more downhill. Jalen Warren, he's able to catch the ball better. So for third downs, whatever, but I think just a mixture. I think Jalen can do both though. He can. I've been able to see him go downhill, hit the holes full speed and he's able to pass protect, you know what I'm saying? So I don't see, I see Jalen being a full every down back. I see Rico, I don't know how much his hands are, how good he is out of the backfield. So I think that would be more for Jalen probably in the third down, but I don't see him limiting his role to strictly third. Like the way to toast that ball, bro. First down, the way he hits the whole second down, he can go in between the tackles, he can go outside, he's every down back because he can touch the ball. Also I think it just makes it good because Rico such a big body that it's going to be a pounding factor when he gets in there. But don't take away nothing from Jalen and letting him get in between them tackles because he gets busy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, see my thing is this. I don't agree with that. I don't think that's what's going to happen. It just don't make sense on what's going to happen or as far as I'm seeing it, because we're dedicating to the run. We're going to run the ball, which means we want two running backs that can go out there and punish tacklers. Make people have to actually come in there, put their body on them to stop them until it gets to a point to where they like. You know what I'm getting tired of hitting.

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

this dude like he's coming 100% every time and he ain't stepping out of bounds. He coming in to finish every run. And when you got two running backs that are like that and can do that, that's hard work for defenders who don't get to switch and flop in and out, you know, playing and play out. So for me, I think that's just somebody reaching for something because of the numbers of what daughter was getting paid and where Warren is at right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I think you make a good point too, because two downhill backs and making sure that every play when you had that Marshawn lynch, remember we was talking about, and running over and over and over. It's not just one play, it's not just two plays. It's the consistency of you having to tackle a dude that's coming to give it to you every time. So that consistency of having Jalen, that's going to come downhill. Rico Dodo going to come downhill. So you never know who's going to who's going who going to have the ball. But you're going to get that punishment no matter what. So I'm with you. With I don't minimize Jalen Warren's role because that dude goes downhill too.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, look here man. Cleveland Browns yeah, Browns coach Todd Monkin called out over actions at OTAs. The Browns quarterback battle between Shador Sanders and DeSean Watson is a story of the offseason in Cleveland. However, Monkin has appeared annoyed by questions regarding his passer and who may have an edge as the team progresses through OTAs. Joe Monkey said he Said, yeah, nothing's really changed other than it's a different day and y' all firing the same questions. Hey, man, he tired of the questions, man. The 92.3. I guess the fan, Anthony Lemon Lima, took issue with the response from Monkin. He said, they're clipping the Cleveland media members all asking about the quarterback every time. And then Todd Monkin goes, well, it hasn't changed. And they're like, oh, another Cleveland reporter gets humiliated by Monkin. It's like, we're going to ask you every day who's in the lead. That's how it works. That's why Todd. That's why Todd Monken gets paid a lot of money not to just coach the football team, but to take our questions. Joe, what do you think it is?

[Joe Hayden]

Deebo question first. Let me shoot this. What do you. What do you think of this? What do you think of this?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, my thing is this. He could just not respond to it and just be like, yo, nothing's changed. We're where we're at. Like, if he's going to come in here and then be like, okay, so today y' all asked me the question, and nothing's changed. You asked me the question the next day, and now I said it's Chador. And then you asked me the question the day after that. Then I said, it's. It's Watson. Like, dude, it's nothing that's going to happen in a day that's going to really change too much of somebody's outcome, especially when you're not even into any type of real padded practice yet.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So y' all reporters want to keep there and keep asking the same questions. You're going to get the same answer. And he's. He's just tired of answering the same question. You're going to get the same answer. It's no change. Like, it's nothing that you're going to do to change where they're at. As far as where he's at in the processing of who is it going to be? The guy that's going to start, he's saying, hey, it's even. Even like Stephen. And when that time comes and I figure that out and we see and. And go through that, we'll let you know. Until then, status quo. It's the same.

[Joe Hayden]

So do you think he should have answered it differently?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I think he should have answered it differently, just not adding. You firing the same question. Hey, yeah, really, nothing's changed. It's a different day. Got the same message. Nothing's really Changed and you're firing the same question. Just take away. And you're firing the same questions. Listen, nothing's changed yesterday to the day.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, Debo, we're talking about basically now coaches getting media trained the same way that players do when they're asking Shador, when they're asking Dylan Gabriel, when they're asking. When Deshaun Watson gets back to the media. We know what. How to answer it and to not stir up any more controversy. We know what to say. If the same thing as status quo. You said the same way. He could just say what he's going to say without saying, y' all keep asking me the same questions. Because that's their job. You know what I'm saying? Their job is to go in and try to get the answer from. You are the head coach that's going to be making that decision. So they're going to come ask you after practice, did a dude perform better because they're in a quarterback competition. Our job as the media is to report from the coach. And we're trying to figure out, not us guessing. Now, we watched the play, so we're going to be able to give our intake. But you as the head coach taking questions. Quarterback position is the big position. So you as a head coach knowing if you're going to come in there, you know how to put out fires or start fires exactly the way you said.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Well, you should.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, you should. You know what I'm saying? You grown man as a quarterback coach and you know you got a whole lot of stuff going on. It's not there. It's not. You're trying to hide information. Obviously, you may know something and it's not something you're going to have to give to them all the time. So you're going to be able to have to still sugarcoat stuff and go out there and handle the media in a way to where there's not just they're going to give you these repeated questions, but you got to know if you want to handle them a certain way or if you answer like this, this is what's going to happen. You're trying to hide information. Coach, you got something going on. Tell them, boom, nothing. Status quo. You know what I'm saying? Practice was today, but everything is the same way as it was and move on. You got to give yourself more training and know what's going on. You setting yourself up for these questions.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You're the head coach about the Sean Watson reaction.

[Joe Hayden]

They don't care what the reaction they're going to ask You. They're the media. Them saying you get paid a lot of money to answer our questions. Not now. They. You do. You have to answer their questions because you have to report.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You don't have to answer. But the way that you answer, that's the.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the part I'm saying, the media training part. You could go. The way that you answer them is completely up to you. You can answer and not even be talking about it at all. And that's why I say, coach, you got to get into your media training of the answers. Because we get these questions all the time. And when somebody says something out of me, be like this. We knew you knew what you had to do to put out a fire, but you said something that's going to get some stuff going. Coach, say what you say to us. You know what I'm saying? Keep the stuff out the way. Boom. Just keep it chill. You know what I'm saying? You are in control of this interview. Don't let the interviewer take control of you. You stare this conversation the way you want to stare it. So I think with him, he got to just do better of. You're going to get the question every single day. Because everybody wants to know who's going to be the quarterback. You got desean, you got Shador. They're getting reps, you know what I'm saying? They're keeping trackers on OTA passes, so they're going to have their options on who they think. You know what I'm saying? It may not be legit because they. When they ask you, this is how they know. Coach, who do you think has the lead? He's like this. It didn't change me yesterday. Y' all will keep asking me the same questions. Yes, we're going to keep asking you. Because other than that, all I can give is my opinion. I don't know what the coach of these two quarterbacks who's really going to make the decision is thinking. So I'm going to ask you every single day. I get the opportunity. That's what good interviewers are supposed to do. We want to know about the quarterbacks. We don't want to know about. We want to. Not. Not about Denzel Ward. We know Denzel Ward is going to be starting. He's the corner. Don't ask any questions about him. He's fine. We wanna know about who's gonna start a quarterback coach, you know what I'm saying? So you gotta be able to be a better controller of the narrative of the media to know Boom. If you don't want, you don't have to give him answers. Cause you may know, but you're the coach, so keep him at bay. The way you know how to keep him at bay, where you're in control of these interviews and not having them have you look crazy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I think. I think for him, this is one of those things where the frustration comes because he actually doesn't have an answer, and he's trying to decide it through the process, and he's just now getting tired of you asking the same questions. And he's like, dude, nothing has changed. Like, I don't have an answer. Y' all think I'm sitting here holding something back. Because if I'm holding something back, I gotta. I got. I gotta. I got a way better answer than y' all firing the same questions.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't be mad, though. Just keep answering, right?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Just listen. Just keep answering. That's what I've been trying to tell them. Like, yo, just keep answering it the same way. Like, the questions that they ask. Like the field questions. Well, how do you feel about the game? We lost. We won. That's how I.

[Joe Hayden]

Boom. I answered it. How do you feel?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You want to give me the feel so you can make your job easier and have me going out of my way to express my. No. How do I feel?

[Joe Hayden]

My emotions, all that. You get to dissect how I feel. No, it's factual. Did I win? Did I lose? We lost.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Do a better job by asking the question that's gonna make me have to give you a better answer. That's all, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Like, it ain't hard.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And like I said, media training should be. Listen, you have to be available. You don't have to answer the question. Like, literally, you get a question that you don't want to answer. Hey, Joe, how do you feel about Dylan. Dylan Gabriel versus Shadora saying. Or how do you feel about Watson versus Shador? Who is it that you want start, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, I think we have two good quarterbacks and we're in the battle.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

But who would you like to start, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I would like whoever performs the best, obviously.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Who do you think is performing the best?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, right now, both of them are playing really well. They're performing. It's a quarterback competition, you dirty bastard.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Pick one of them before I cut your throat.

[Joe Hayden]

There we go. No, I'm going to keep answering.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't got frustrated as a question,

[Joe Hayden]

you know what I'm saying? Because it's a quarter of my competition, man. What's competing. I'm going to keep answering your question, like, exactly. It's a quarterback competition.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yes. They said Todd Monkin is working to overtime to fix one of Kevin Stefanski's worst mistakes. They said the biggest difference between him and his predecessors became even more obvious in the OTAs when the Browns guard Zion Johnston said Monkin has installed a zero tolerance policy with penalties. He said he really emphasized that if we haven't a penalty out there, we're reloading the play. If they're false starting, you're coming out. So it really forces accountability onto you, where it's like, okay, I'm coming out today. I go, I got to get locked in to the snap count my technique so that I have nothing. So I have. So that I'm not having any penalties in practice. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They saying this, man, wasn't they saying your boy over there, he was just letting them do what they wanted to do. If you just looked at, you know, their ratings, what is it, 20 from 20 to 25. Them boys is 25, 20. Nope. 24, 19, 28, 22. And it was 12 last year. But yeah, goodness, it was that bad in penalties, Joe. Y' all was that bad in penalties. Joe. What you got going over there? What was Stefanski doing?

[Joe Hayden]

Man, I don't know. I want to speak on the Stefanski, but this is. This is a discipline thing and I'm loving it with the coach. You gotta start at practice.

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[Stefano Pallard]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

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[Stefano Pallard]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community, and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which is a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Stefano Pallard]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology. And digital channels, are they enabled to create a deeper connection with our fans?

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[Joe Hayden]

with the snap counts. You gotta start all that jumping off sides. All the little things equate to big things. You know what I'm saying? They kill drives. They're real. So the coach holding them accountable, it doesn't matter who you are. And that's just something in practice where you should never jump off size, you should never go offside, you should always know the snap count. That should be an asset to the offense. They should be able to go up there and be able to use hard count. So discipline, just starting off behind the line, being everywhere on time, I think that's a real big thing. And it's just accountability. People needing to be where they're supposed to at the right times and just discipline. So coach doing that, I love it. I mean, I think that that's what good coaches should do. And this for. And it goes to everybody. Nobody should be able to like. Because some of that stuff is just laziness. It's like, are you locked in or not? Yes. You're watching the ball. You're the D line. You're sitting over the ball. The wide receivers, you don't move till nobody moves the offensive line. You got to know the snap count. So certain, like snap count discipline things, it's like, what are we doing? Did you not just hear the snap count? We are really. That's that stuff where the. It's not a. It's not a physical thing. It's not a skill.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It's not. It's not action. It's nothing that's going on.

[Joe Hayden]

Anybody can do that. If you can't listen to somebody, they tell you to play, you won't jump off sides. Like, okay, bet somebody has to catch a fade ball, run a corner on somebody, keep your toes in. I can see. Oh, you might not be able to do that. You don't have the skill set. But for you to not jump off sides, for you to just know the snap count, that doesn't take skill. That takes discipline. That takes you just listening. So when you see people continuously jump off sides what are you doing? You're not locked in when you see people jumping off. You're trying to get a jump on the snap, but the ball didn't move.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You're already committing a penalty before the ball is even.

[Joe Hayden]

Pre snap penalty.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Pre snap penalties is something you cannot allow. It will kill you. It would destroy your rhythm. It will destroy your. It would. It will mess. Mess up everything. Now what happens in the play, okay, they might have got you on a hold or something like that, but all the things that you have control of, that anybody can go out there and do is pay attention to what's going on. That's the, that's the things you can't have happen. And zero tolerance. That's easy. Like that's, that's. That's just how it should be. You know, that was.

[Joe Hayden]

That's how we started little league football. As soon as you jump inside, take a lap, somebody else is coming in taking your spot. You're taking a lap. Yes, like yes, not no.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Words said like yes, like go ahead, take off. Yeah, let you know, listen, I'm moving late before I move early, man, for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Because then you can get busy. Don't. Pre snap penalties is nothing. So that's why I'm loving that I

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

am moving late before I ever go early. Now, facts. Joe Burrow. He spoke with reporters during voluntary workouts and shut down. Shot down the notion that he had a major hand in all at all in the season. In. In the. In the. All at all in the off season. Good lord. Oh, tell me about it. For show you still ain't had no hand in the off season. None of it. That's what he's saying. Okay, who the wrote this like this and pissing me off. All right. In fact, he said. In fact, he said he was less involved than in previous in. In years past. He said I would say, if anything, I was less involved this year than in years past. There was no secret that last several years didn't go the way we wanted

[Joe Hayden]

it to go to.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We didn't go the way we wanted to. And there's a lot of blame to go around for that, myself included. And so we're in a great spot this year. We've brought in great people and great players. You can feel the vibes of the locker room. The energy is elevated right now. Joe, what are you saying? Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

You know what Joe Burrow's saying?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What are you saying?

[Joe Hayden]

He's saying that he's happy. He's trying. It's early in the season. This is what great quarterbacks do they get in there? They're trying to balvanize the troops. They're trying to say good things about the locker room, about the team, trying to get the camaraderie up. That's what I would expect. That's what I love from Joe Burrow. That's what I love. Deebot, what do you think?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

A lot of. A lot of, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You're in love. You're in love, bro. You just. You just are loving you.

[Joe Hayden]

You.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You just love so much, Joe. I. I just. I love too much, you know, Joe,

[Joe Hayden]

I got a big heart.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

This is what I think. I'm going from the very top, okay? So when I look at the very top, Joe is telling y' all right now. He's like, yo, I'm trying to tell y' all right now. This ain't had nothing to do with me. I. I had. I had no say in what went on. I actually had less say.

[Joe Hayden]

That's for sure what he's saying.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, y' all need to realize something. Like the. The Ravens owner said, hey, you will have say, but you will have no power. This is my team. Yes, I will run it how I feel. And at the same point in time, if you like what you getting paid and you are cool with that, you will sit there and take the payment and keep it moving, and you will take whatever comes with that, wins, losses, and everything else. As long as that's acceptable. And if it's not, then you can move on. And, you know, that's if I don't own your rights. Well, we can still figure out some way to do that. So when it comes down to it, you know, I think Joe was just letting y' all know I like the way things going, but all the stuff where y' all saying I had something to do with this ain't had nothing to do with me.

[Joe Hayden]

Joe. Yep. No, that's what he's definitely nothing to do with me. This don't have nothing to do with me. I don't think they really even ask for my involvement.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Zero.

[Joe Hayden]

So now. So now he's got. He's setting up his escape plan a little bit. If it looks crazy, that's what you think.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, cc, I just started thinking like, me.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you, he like this. Look. They ain't come and ask me nothing. I ain't getting no protection. He's saying, good at. We got. We got some good players now. We got some good defensive players. You know what I'm saying? We ain't getting no linemen. I might still get hit upside the head. I don't know. But I like the players. The vibes are good.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Energy.

[Joe Hayden]

Energy's great. And what I'm doing. I'm Joe Burrow. I'm bringing the vibes. I'm not knocking the vibes. Let me go ahead. Let me go ahead, get hit upside the head a couple times. And I'm telling y' all already, I had nothing to do with this. Didn't ask me for nothing so I could slide. Hey, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, yo. Saying, listen, right now, what I'm getting right now, from what I'm.

[Joe Hayden]

Sometimes I need you. Sometimes I need you. So I could be looking at it from your side. Hey, and then. And then I'll be looking at from my side, because Joe Burrow is the good, good. He's setting it up in a good way. Like, boom, I'm here. I'm liking what we're doing. I had nothing to do with it, though. They ain't ask me. So I'm just a pawn. I'm just a pawn.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

If you go. If it go. It go left, it go left.

[Joe Hayden]

It's on them.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen, I'm just telling y' all right now.

[Joe Hayden]

What.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Y' all hear me right now, what was going on last year? It was. It was. It had me trying to find my happiness. I was lost. You know what I'm saying? At a certain point in time, he's saying, hey, what y' all giving me right now ain't worth me taking these knots and getting these lumps on my head. You know what I'm saying? You know, like I said, like I asked you, I say. I said, joe, if they. If.

[Joe Hayden]

If you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

If you lost half the money and you won a Super bowl, would you. Would you. Would you go with the Super Bowl? You say, hell, no, I wouldn't. But now, if I tell you, Joe, hey, difference between getting 50, 60 million a year and maybe 10, 20 a year, I might even have to switch over, Joe. I might have to switch over and say, you know what? I take the lumps. No, I can't. I'm sorry.

[Joe Hayden]

I can't.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

My name means something, dog. I can't. I can't do it.

[Joe Hayden]

My name means something.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

It would be like 60 million, 15 years. Oh, that would be 90, 900 million. I'm telling you, that'd be 900 million, Joe. And I still.

[Joe Hayden]

The goal. The goal.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I can't go with those.

[Joe Hayden]

Do both. The goal is to do well. Why can't we do Both. Why can't we just be good, get paid and win the Super Bowl? That's the goal.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No super bowl and I'm trash. Hold up. 900 million, no super bowl and you trash.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not going to be trash. To get.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just telling you, bro. 900. I'm telling you. This is what it is. I'm giving you the optimist optics of what it is that. Will you take the 900, no Super Bowls. Or you go and you get a Super bowl, but you only get a hundred.

[Joe Hayden]

This what I'm trying to say. So you're telling me the winning the super bowl and then having to be trash. $800 million. That's 90.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Dude, I got a problem. I got a problem, bro. I can't. I can't do it. I can't. I can't. I can't. I don't know. Maybe if I went and took that 900 million and I turned it into like I. I was trashing football. I couldn't do nothing. I was.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm a big bus. But after I got done, I got smart. I got into like business, real estate, all that. And I turned into like a hundred billion. Then I feel good because then my daddy name still be good.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. My daddy name gonna be way. They gonna forget about me and that super bowl that I won. They gonna not forget about these. The legacy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm just saying, man. I'm just saying. I mean, I'm just talking about, remember, you know. Joe, Joe, listen. Joe know he could go and get 50 anywhere. Debo, you know he could go and get 50. Hey, Joe. Joe Burrow, you could go and get 50 anywhere.

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, and that's what I'm telling you. Gonna come get that. He come get that 50 right at Debo. I'm fully bought in. Because now, Joe burrow, if they don't do it, they bungling. Listen, they bungling. You deserve a good spot there, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You deserve, man. What it is that your skill level dictates that you deserve. And that is Lombardius. It dictates that a man of your skill level, Joe Burrow should have. Lombardi should have rings on his fingers. That is straight from the NFL Pittsburgh. Right there. Right there. You see him? You see him right there, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, I do. Hey, I do Burrow. Every time I see your super bowl trophies, Debo, I just want you to know I am genuinely happy for you. Genuinely.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, I want. Hey, I want you to be happy, Joe. I want you to feel. I want you to see what it's like. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm. I'm gonna be. I'm on my way. I'm on my way. I did it, you know? I'm on my way.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Joe. Burrow. You want to see what this look like, Joe? Joe, Come on, Joe. Joe, listen. This could be yours with your name on it. Joe. You see that right there?

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Right there, Joe, that's a Harrison. I say Harrison, that could say burrow. I can say burrow. I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with you.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Seven. You come on over and get eight.

[Joe Hayden]

Sign me up. Sign me up.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Stop there. The hell with it. Let's get 10. Yeah. Double. Just the first one to double digit.

[Joe Hayden]

Got.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey. 10. 10, 10. Hey, hey, listen, man. Joe, come over here, man. He get, he get. He getting. We getting one, two of them thing, man. Yeah, they gonna get Joe. About 100 million a year, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, Brody, the way it is going up for sure.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, listen, man, the price going up like gas. Yeah.

[Kohler Cast Iron Ambassador (Martha Stewart)]

When Kohler, global design leader and luxurious kitchen and bath products, asked me to be their ambassador for timeless, elegant, durable cast iron, I said, I'm in. Soon after, I was in their Kohler, Wisconsin foundry watching molten iron poured, enamel applied by hand, and the beautiful finished pieces ready to ship. Since 1883, Kohler cast iron has been crafted by incredible artisans, and seeing it firsthand gave me a whole new appreciation for their craftsmanship. Now I'm proud to lend my staff of approval to my favorite Kohler cast iron products for their durability, beauty and enduring style. Shop my curated [e-mail] as the Kohler Cast Iron Ambassador, I say, long live cast iron.

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