Nightcap Hour 2: Bleacher Report RANKS Number 1 Picks Since 2000 + Bucks Owner PLAYED Part In SENDING Giannis To Miami OVER Boston + LeBron RETURNING to South Beach?! + Timberwolves BANKING Future on TRADING Julius Randle + Becky Hammon NOT Apologizin...

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Hour 2 – June 24, 2026

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, ISO Joe Johnson
Theme: Unfiltered sports talk, instant NBA Draft reactions, deep-dive on league moves, and classic storytelling across the sporting landscape.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives straight into the NBA Draft aftermath, dissecting Bleacher Report’s controversial ranking of #1 overall picks since 2000, the reported influence of the Bucks’ owner in Giannis Antetokounmpo’s shocking trade to Miami, speculation about LeBron James potentially returning to the Heat, the Timberwolves' future with and without Julius Randle, and larger discussions about both NBA evolving trends and NCAA changes. The crew brings their unique blend of humor, veteran perspective, and candid takes, making for a lively ride.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bleacher Report’s Top #1 NBA Draft Picks Since 2000

Timestamps: [04:30] - [13:00]

• The List: LeBron James tops the ranking, with Victor Wembanyama (Wimby) at #2, followed by Anthony Davis (AD), Dwight Howard, Kyrie Irving, Karl-Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards, Yao Ming, Blake Griffin, Cade Cunningham, and others.
• Strong Disputes:
  • Joe Johnson: “Ain't no way in hell I'm putting Deandre Ayton in front of Kenyon Martin. No way in hell.” [04:36]
  • Ochocinco and ISO Joe lament the disrespect for four-year college stars and advocate moving Derrick Rose up further in recognition of his MVP status.
  • Regarding LeBron: “Whatever expectations you had for him...he exceeded those. … Finals MVP with three different teams, lead three different teams to the NBA Finals.” [06:22]
• On pressure as a #1 pick:
  • “I think if you the number one pick, boy, the bullseye on your back so big, you supposed to be franchise altering.” – ISO Joe [07:51]
  • Ochocinco: “That's what you supposed to be.” [07:59]
• Rookie readiness: Ochocinco asserts the new class, including AJ Debonza, is physically and mentally ready for the NBA spotlight, citing improved preparedness of today’s prospects. [08:24]

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2. Giannis Trade – Behind-the-Scenes Moves

Timestamps: [13:19] - [16:43]

• Report: Bucks owner Jimmy Haslam pushed to accept a Heat trade for Giannis instead of a Celtics deal, due to concerns about Jaylen Brown leaving Milwaukee after a year.
  • ISO Joe: “Last thing I want to do is trade a guy...for a guy that's gonna want the same thing in a year.” [13:53]
  • Miami’s assets and Tyler Herro’s Milwaukee roots discussed.
• Life in Miami: The crew jokes about the appeal of playing in Miami versus Milwaukee—sun, excitement, and lifestyle contrasted with harsh winters and city vibes.
• Pat Riley’s challenges: They note Riley’s history of tumultuous relationships with superstars—Shaq, LeBron—all mention food beefs on flights [30:26+].

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3. LeBron’s Potential Return to Miami?

Timestamps: [21:30] - [26:20]

• Rumors: LeBron possibly reuniting with the Heat for the mid-level exception (approx. $10 million after taxes).
  • “LeBron might say I'm gonna go ahead retire...I can get that a month on my investments.” – ISO Joe [22:09]
• Team Dynamics: Concerns about LeBron’s willingness to deal again with Heat culture/Pat Riley, but intrigue at the prospect of a stacked roster with Giannis, Bam, (possibly Klay Thompson), and more.
  • “If Giannis, Bron, and Klay suit up in Miami…South Beach back on fire!” – Ochocinco/crew [24:18+]
  • “The question is, how long does this relationship [with Pat Riley] last? Because a lot of these relationships end very tumultuously.” – ISO Joe [30:35]

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4. Timberwolves’ Gamble, Julius Randle, and Ant-Man’s Future

Timestamps: [26:37] - [29:19]

• Minnesota’s Plan: Trading Julius Randle is seen as “addition by subtraction,” anticipating more offensive balance for Anthony Edwards (“Ant-Man") and others after Towns’ departure.
• Concerns voiced about not consulting Edwards on roster moves and potential for him to request a trade—possible Atlanta homecoming teased.
  • ISO Joe: “Vultures are swirling around Ant...looking for the next superstar trade.” [27:27]

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5. Becky Hammon and Outliers in the NBA

Timestamps: [36:12] - [43:50]

• Jalen Brunson Praise: Becky Hammon refuses to apologize for doubting Jalen Brunson, calling him an “outlier” for his height/position thriving at superstar level.
  • “He proves he’s an outlier. Put his name next to Steph Curry or Isaiah Thomas. ... I’m never gonna apologize for having an opinion. That’s what ESPN pays me for.” – Becky Hammon via ISO Joe [36:12]
• Debate on NBA archetypes:
  • Iso Joe: “Ain't nobody drafting them [short guards]... they want long, rangy guys who can defend multiple positions.” [38:33]
  • Discussion on what it takes for undersized guards (like Kyrie, Brunson) to be #1 picks and how rare it is now.

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6. NCAA & College Sports Eligibility Shifts

Timestamps: [53:22] - [57:51]

• NCAA now grants athletes five years over five seasons regardless of redshirt status, but sets an age limit tied to entrance at 19.
• Fallout from pandemic waivers discussed, with agreement that “six, seven, eight, nine years” of college eligibility had gotten absurd [54:57].
• JUCO loophole: Junior college time doesn’t count against NCAA eligibility—players can be 23, 24, 25 in college, changing recruiting dynamics.

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7. NFL Supplemental Draft & Gambling Issues

Timestamps: [46:19] - [53:04]

• Texas Tech QB Brendan Sorsby denied NFL supplemental draft entry due to improper gambling activity and lack of supporting documentation.
  • Advice for Sorsby: “Go play a year in Canada, boy...do that and get a better understanding on how good them boys is down there.” – Uncle Ocho [50:54]
• Ochocinco recounts his own humbling CFL experience, underscoring parity outside NFL superstars. [51:22+]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “The mere fact that you on this list, you’re the...Think about it, all the players that’s been number one, there's only one of those per year for 80 years.” – Chad Ochocinco [07:33]
• “There's a certain something called respect that you can't put a price tag on.” – ISO Joe, on LeBron’s infamous Heat ‘cookie’ story [32:44]
• “You gotta let [your kids] do that for them, not for you.” – ISO Joe, on raising athletes without living vicariously [74:47]
• “Hey, I’d rather have to turn [my dog] down than have to turn him up.” – ISO Joe [88:44]
• Lighthearted banter about TikTok, Florida driving rules (“The rules different down here in Miami”—Uncle Ocho), and the lifestyles of pro athletes.

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Additional Highlights

• Boxing: Tank Davis vs. Devin Haney hypothetical discussed as a “chess match”—Ocho leans Haney by decision but acknowledges Tank’s power. [77:42]
• Dog Shows / Rodeo: Shannon reminisces about covering the Westminster Dog Show and compares production challenges to major sporting events. [78:51]
• Start/Bench/Cut: Gilbert Arenas, Jeff Teague, and Lou Williams—crew agrees Gil starts ("hibachi" era in DC), with Teague and Lou following. [85:27]

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Relevant Timestamps for Important Segments

• Bleacher Report Draft Picks Debate: [04:30]–[13:00]
• Giannis Trade Discussion: [13:19]–[16:43]
• LeBron to Miami Rumors: [21:30]–[26:20]
• Timberwolves/Edwards/GMs Critique: [26:37]–[29:19]
• Becky Hammon & Outliers Debate: [36:12]–[43:50]
• Pat Riley & Miami Culture: [30:26]–[31:50]
• NCAA/JUCO Eligibility: [53:22]–[57:51]
• NFL Supplemental Draft: [46:19]–[53:04]
• Boxing/Tank vs Haney: [77:42]–[78:51]
• Fan Q&A and Closing Stories: [65:36]–end

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Closing Thoughts

The episode is a dynamic, authentic look at current NBA/NFL headlines, franchise-altering moves, athlete culture, and more. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe blend veteran gravitas with warmth and wit—never afraid to voice strong opinions, push back on mainstream narratives, or share personal stories from the locker room. If you want a real, locker-room-level take on the NBA draft, blockbuster trades, and the ripple effect on the league (and college sports), this is your hour—capped by laughter, a few debates settled, and plenty left for next week.

Transcript

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Uncle Ocho]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Kwame Brown and Anthony Bennett. Man, ain't no way in hell I'm putting. I'm putting deandre Ayton in front of Kenya Martin. No way in hell.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What they got Ken at what they got?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They got Kenya at 18. They got Deandre Ayton at 17. Come on, Joe. Come on, Joe. They do it too much, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, listen, listen. Everybody know, man. Kenya was a dog boy in college. One of the only guys who really, at that time, he probably hadn't been a four year guy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He's the Last guy to be a senior and come out and come out and go number one. Go number one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Overall, they don't. That, that, that. That's rare, bro. That don't happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, this, this. This list can fluctuate. You know, some can stay, but it could fluctuate a little bit. I don't know how, but I probably moved Derek Rose up on the list a little bit, considering the fact that he. From Chicago. They drafted him number one. He wore number one. He was the youngest mvp.

[Uncle Ocho]

I like.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I like, Dig Rose to probably move up a little bit on that list.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, Paulo Ban Caro. I mean, he was an all Star. And y' all got Cooper flag in front of him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah,

[Uncle Ocho]

hey,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

give or take.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, they got a lot of. They got a lot of. Look, LeBron was rookie of the year when Miyama was wicker of the year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It don't. It don't get. It don't get much better, Cat.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think Ant man, you know, it

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

don't get no better than LeBron is because Cleveland had the number one pick. Cle. I mean, and then him. For him to turn out to be what he is today, like, you ain't never gonna be. He always gonna be number one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. It's crazy because he.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Even though the expectations you had for him. Yeah, he exceeded those.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He did. Let that sink in for just a second. Whatever expectations you had. Yeah, I think he's gonna be great. Did you anticipate the most points ever?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. No, no.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Did you anticipate most points, top five and assists? Most career play, most career playoff games, most career playoff points, second most playoff career, triple everything. I mean, Finals MVP with three different teams, lead three different teams to the NBA Finals. So whatever you had for him, he exceeded it. So I agree with you. I mean, if you have it all time, he's gonna be. He might be. If. If you rank all the number one overall draft picks, you throw magic in there. You throw Kareem in there. LeBron spill. Still gonna probably be number one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello? I'm with you. I'm with you. When you. Right now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because I think those. Those would be the only two that would be the only two that's even in the conversation. We're not even putting nobody else in the conversation. No, we. Damn. We're not putting Kent Benson and we're not putting Joe Barry Carol, and we're not putting. I'm not gonna name. Look, congratulations. Being number one overall draft pick is a huge, huge accomplishment, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everybody that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The mere fact that you on this list, you're the. Think about it. All the players that's been number one, there's only one of those per year for 80 years, I bet.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I bet it. It come with a lot of weight and pressure too, boy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because I. I think if you the number one pick, boy, the bullseye on

[ISO Joe Johnson]

your back so big, you're supposed to be franchise altering. You're supposed to. You're supposed to be a hydrogen bomb.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's what you're supposed to be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. And when guys play against you, you gonna always get they best game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm talking about. You make.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I can make a name for myself off of you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There you go. It just take one game. That's it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Go ahead, Ocho. What's up?

[Uncle Ocho]

I was gonna say. Well, you think the Bonds are ready for all that, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he ready for it, Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, this ain't college now. This ain't byu. We talk about we playing against grown men that got families to feed now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, but. But these kids built a little different Uncle Ocho. You know, they. They. I think they prepared for the moment. You know, they. They love the bright lights, the big stage. You know, he already has a. A nice NBA body at 6 9. He got the total package, bro. I'm telling you, he gonna be nice. I just. I hope. What, what. What I envision is that Trey and AD Guide him along the way. Help him. Help. Help him be a great player. You know what I mean? Because it's different sometimes, Uncle Ocho, when you got guys like Trey, you know, he just got his money. Congrats. But, you know, he trying.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He trying to prove that he is worth 212 million. Sometimes, you know, you can kind of lose sight of what you really just need to bring. You know what I mean? Same thing with AD he trying to get a new contract. So, you know, and. And adding AJ debonsa in the middle of that. I just think it's a perfect piece, you know, if those guys do it the right way. And I'm gonna be watching the Wizards this year, man. That boy, he can go, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on. What pick? With the lakers. Okay. The Lakers took Cameron Carr. What pick was that, Ash?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The 24th pick.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay. Cameron Carr. Okay, my bad, my bad. I apologize. Chat. I don't know why I say Sergio de la DeLaria. The Lakers take Cameron Carr with the 20, with the 24th pick. So. So did they. Did they move back in the draft or. They were all they were always 24. 24. There were 25. Okay, so. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. So that's why. Okay, okay. I apologize. Chat.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think. Hey, look, some of these guys who went late in this first round, man, you going. You go into great opportunities and show up and show out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, man, listen, you get to win early in your career. You get to play on great teams, and then if you have the potential to be who they think you can be. Hey, man, I. I've seen some guys, you know, go in them. Them late first rounds and be hall of famers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tars Reed, I like him going to San Antonio for the simple fact. O. Joe, Joe. He can't be worse than Cornette. They got a 610 center.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, come on. Don't do him like that, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Cornette was terrible. I think you have a coordinate paper towel. Chad, didn't they used to have a coordinate paper towel?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, man. Come on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

With a. Who's that? She was a comedian. She was a singer that used to advertise for coordinate paper towels. Who was that?

[Guest/Caller]

Chat?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know y' all know and look and see if they didn't have a cornet paper towel. I'm almost certain they did.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, this, this. This was a nice draft, man. I got to come out there and check these boys out in Vegas, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Who's the lady that did the commercial? She had black hair. I can't think of that lady's name. Ah, I was a kid when that was out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, I didn't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Rosemary Clooney. That's who it was. See, that was before your time. See what I'm saying? Joke. Hey, I know.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Rosemary. Oh, Rosemary.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I. I do. I say there's a paper towel called Rosemary Clooney. Yep. But this list, like I said, I'm definitely. I am not putting DeAndre Odin over. Kenya Martin. And Kenya Martin came back from microfacture.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

People don't realize Kenyan Martin used to jump out the gym. A hell of a defensive player. And he wasn't no hell of. I mean, he wasn't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, he.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He was just a grown man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He was a senior. He wasn't a freshman. He wasn't sideboard the junior. He was a senior. He was like Bill, but he was strong.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He had that dog mentality.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Cause you had to be. Think about what you were battling back then. You were battling grown men. You gotta battle. Oh, you gotta battle a big. I'm talking about big, big bodies back then.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Not These stretches ain't no. Hey, Dirk was really the only stretch back then everybody else they banged. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey. You had to have that dog mentality, boy. Trying to go through you, boy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Sources say Bucks owner Jimmy Haslam Lord was the driving force to take and taking a heat deal for Giannis over Boston's offer. Haslam did not want to risk Jaylen Brown with wanting out of Milwaukee in a year after dealing with Giannis and Miles G. Trade demands Haslam. Damn. Haslam. I forgot he had bought the majority share of the book. He done. He done traded two.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Anyway, let me finish this right here. Haslam wanted certainty, and Miami deal provided more than that with the total assets in return to Milwaukee. I. I get it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because the last thing I want to do is trade a guy. I'm trading a guy for a guy that's gonna want the same thing in a year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's to say? What's to say Jaylen Brown is not going to want to trade right now? What do I do? These other guys coming in take Tyler Hero said get out my office.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, he's coming in.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Tell me he want to trade K. But Blue do slam.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, and they know. They know Jalen Brown gonna request probably another max contract.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, and they know. Hell, if we. If we can't get him to agree to a deal on this trade, then when we get him. Yeah. In a year, he gonna be raising hell. We already know that you don't want. Yeah, you right. We rather deal with Tyler Hero get Killer wherever here some guys who gonna play hard. Tyler Hero from Milwaukee. Hell. So he coming home? Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He grew up, what, 35, what, 30. 35 miles? 30 miles? 40 miles.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But he probably. Look, home is a great place to visit. I ain't really trying to live there, Joe. You mean to tell me you think I want to leave south beach in Miami that. Well, for Milwaukee?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you. I don't know, man. You know, when you. When it's a play, when you from a place, it kind of hit a little different, you know what I mean? Like, he'd have been inside. Hey, look, hold on. He didn't been in south beach for so long that. Yeah, it may not be that exciting to him no more. He can still keep his place down there. Okay, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I just feel exciting. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'll come back. I'll come back.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I was on Tick Tock today. It still look exciting to me. I don't know. I don't know what it Looked like for what? What your tick tock said. Well, my tick tock look like south beach kick it to popping.

[Guest/Caller]

What you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, you know how to. You know how to work Tik Tok?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know how to work no Tik Tok. Go. I just made it up. I don't even know how to get on Tik Tok. Okay, man, if I get on Tik Tok, I can only get on Tik Tok when I'm around Jordan. If Jordan ain't around. Hell, I didn't know I had Tik Tok. Hey, yeah, so, no, I just. I just made that up. But I'm just saying, you know, hey, Milwaukee, South Beach. Milwaukee, South Beach.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right. You're right. Hey, ain't no telling what you might see, boy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, man, listen.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, I don't really go down that way, you know, obviously. You know, I went to school on the beach for high school. You know, in my younger days, Memorial Day weekend, I used to go out there. But, Joe, I ain't been out there in a long time, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you ain't been out there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Don't you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I ain't trying to see nothing out there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you don't. You got you something good. I mean, Cambodia, she was nice to me, so I like Cambodia. Yeah, you need to do right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I better do right than do left. You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, man, uncle already know you a fake right go left ass.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we already know that. Yeah, yeah, we already know you a magician.

[Uncle Ocho]

Whatever did that look right here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Look right here, right off the screen.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm right here now. I ain't going nowhere. Hey, hey, hey, hey. We. We all good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, there we go. See what I'm saying, Joe? What I tell you not to tell him? Hey, man, you know this man can't hold water.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, man. Hey. Oh, oh, I hit that, man. I hit that, man. Talking about Ronaldo today. How I seen Ronaldo cut a rug today and he went to spilling the bean. He could have.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, you, you. I'm like, damn, I told you, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I just want to make sure we all on the same page now. Hey, listen. Hey, I ain't gonna say.

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[Guest/Caller]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

I hate to say it, but I

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

don't trust much of anything.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Uncle Ocho]

I'm see y' all boy. I'm me see y'. All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh Lord. LeBron James returning to Miami cannot be ruled out per Barry Jackson. He could try to lure impending free agent LeBron James with his full mid level exception. But James return is considered a long shot though nothing can be ruled out. Damn, Ash, how much is the the heat mid level exception.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's that about 8?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So that's, let's see, that's 630. That's 630, 000 per million dollars. So all things being equal, that's about $5.2 million after taxes. Man. LeBron might say I'm gonna go ahead retire. I could. I could draw that my little investments. I could get that. I can get that. I get that a month on my investments.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You hey hey hey hey. You absolutely right. But boy, that'll be a hell of a team for him to be on.

[Uncle Ocho]

Boy, I ain't gonna say nothing but

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know if. I don't know if he would want to go back and and deal with Pat and open. Yeah, I don't know if he want to go back and deal with that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey Bron, I know you're gonna see this boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hold on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Look, I think Rich had. I think Rich had some people in tonight's draft. He hit up. I'm g. Try to get him. I'm g. Try to get Rich on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, get him on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He said. He said he wanted to come on, so.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, but, man, hey, I don't know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y. Y' all do know that's the Eastern Conference now. Braun, come over there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They can.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They can run the East. They can be one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now we go. We gonna. We gonna run it if he don't come.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, y' all ain't running up with y' all mouth.

[Uncle Ocho]

I told you we got one more thing up our sleeve. Let it play out now. Let it play out. I ain't never stared. You wrong, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Uncle Ocho]

You hear me?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, the mid level exception. 15 million. I might work with it. Hey, Jojo. I might work with that. 15 a year is 630, 000 every million. So.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So 10.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That'll be 600. That'll be 6.3 million. With another 5.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

6.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

6. 6, 6, 5, 3. That's about. Roughly about 10. After taxes, we're looking at about 10. 10.2 million.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, we good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

10.2 million.

[Uncle Ocho]

Back to the heat, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ain't. Ain't gonna lie.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Pat, Pat, no, you don't try to pull a rank on me. I'm good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Uncle Ocho]

Let back on. Be back on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, I ain't letting Ish.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, you let. We let that. You let that go in Cleveland now, and you went back to Cleveland, won a title. Can you, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But see. But see, that. That. But see, winning a title in Cleveland, that what made me the goat, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But think about this, man. You put him. Giannis. Bam. And you sprinkling some cats around them.

[Uncle Ocho]

Some. Hey, hold on. Don't forget Clay. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, I can see that, Joe. What about my cookies? That man threw my cookies away. That.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

That my. My chef made.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, we trying. We trying to win a title, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ice cream.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, we were. We trying to win a title.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

My whole cookie. I mean, my chef. Those cookies special.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, I bring my own food on the road, Joe. Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

You know that we trying to get.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And when. You know what I. Excuse me. Excuse me. Chad. When I'm playing cards, you know. Hey, excuse me. I'm sorry. Hey, Cookies.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, that's in the past. We.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, we get.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's in the past, huh? Hold on. Is this the man that just told me last. Oh, oh, oh. Didn't he tell us the other night? He ain't one of the people to let stuff go.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Your girl do something, you know, back. No, I'm done. I'm out.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, that's him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You told me, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it depends on what you do.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Oh. So the cookie.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

If I leave, you did something pretty bad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But what can you do to get. What? What could she do to get you back?

[Uncle Ocho]

Apologize.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. So we have a private conversation.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You can't pull that meat up out of hoohado. You can't apologize for that. Yeah, you apologize for that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that. That. That's too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How you apologize for throwing my cookies in the trash?

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah,

[Uncle Ocho]

that's two completely different things.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Cookies. What they call. What they call that cookie. What they call the cookie the.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Whoa.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, bro. Hey, Bron. We'll see Brian in a minute, man. Dive back down in Miami, man. Hey, Clay. I'll let your boy when you touch

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

down what's still the same oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Clay. Hit your boy. We go shoot in the gym.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Got some information, interesting information coming out. The Minnesota Timberwolves hope that trading Julius Randle will prove to be an addition by subtraction. They clear that salary Anthony Edwards wants to win right now. And the Wolves are banking on addition by subtraction, believing that removing Randall's ISO heavy offensive game and redistributing his 15 shots per game to McDaniels and Reed will open things up for Minnesota's off. Minnesota in a different way, Anthony Edwards has been frustrated since Carl Anthony Town was traded per Brian Windhorse. According to Tim McMahon, the NBA vultures are swirling around Ant in anticipation of him potentially becoming the next superstar available in the trade market.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, wait, Ant Man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know why y' all didn't run this cat stuff by Ant Man. You bring a guy that can space the floor that doesn't clog it up that isn't ball dominant, and you bring a guy in that don't space the floor, that's ball dominant. And y' all thought he's gonna be happy, huh? Oh, okay.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Bye, cat.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Bye.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y' all gonna let Ant man get up out of there?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They ain't gonna do that, Uncle.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They got no choice. They got no choice.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What you mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They gonna get beep, beep, beep back

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

that Brinks truck up?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, I'M good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You feel? Hold on. You gonna leave it? You gonna leave this 420 million on the table?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, first of all, I got that Adidas money and somebody might not be able to give me. I do a short term deal, get over there for two years, and guess what. You gotta realize, Ant man ain't but 25, 26. I go to 20 at 28. Guess what, Ojo Joe. 420. Just like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you got, you got this right now. You talking about two years from now? A lot can happen in two years. I'm talking about 420 right now. Right now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I tell you what, you better win right now. Because if you don't win right now two years, guess what? You're gonna born out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Where you going? He go. He going home to the atl.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn, Joe, you want everybody to come to Atlanta, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, it's been speculations now. Okay, Ocho, you know, if Ant man

[ISO Joe Johnson]

in the eighth, that thing be. It's sold out now, but that thing would be crazy. Boy, they love them some ant man. Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Sometimes you gotta speak it into existence, man. If Minnesota gonna get. Don't get up off of it, man. Gonna send the boy home, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Do hey, hey. Do something that ain't been done here, boy. Please. Do you. Oh, my God.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I think we do got to give Pat Riley some credit. Now, Pat Riley know how to. He know how to either entice guys to come in free agency or he'll trade for a guy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Got Alonzo Morning to come.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Traded for Shaq. Got LeBron to come, trade it for Giannis.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, you got to understand, too, Uncle Joe, what this does, you know, for players on the outside looking in, you know, you got to think Miami. Miami has always been a great destination. What else would you rather go play? Where else? When you think about it, some of the big markets, you know, you have la, you have New York. But outside of that, even though Miami might not be a big. As a big of a market as those two, two teams now getting Yanis and you got bam. You know, we ain't gonna have no problem getting other people to come on down here and play.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey. Got that good weather in December when it's really cold in other places and snowing, you come and you come to the game with your tank top on and you flip flops. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, no, no state income tax, too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But here's the thing. Two of those players are the three players that we are the four players.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Three of them.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Two of them we mentioned got tired of his bull jive. Pat Riley.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Shaq wanted to fight him. He got Shaq up out of there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He took LeBron James cookies. LeBron got up out of there. Now, the question is, how long does this relationship? Because a lot of these relationships end very tumultuously.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's not innuendo. That's not speculative.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's factual.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you're right. But Pat, Pat, Pat, Nobody gotta. You know what? I got to calm down a little bit. I gotta calm down a little bit. Hey, I gotta get out my own way. I know. Joe, Joe, Joe, listen to me. Listen to me. Me and Pat don't sat down. We just sat down at Battle harbor and had a little coffee together, okay?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I like it over there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. So you know what I'm talking about, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

We sat there, we politicked for a little bit. I gave him a. A better understanding of. Of having to adapt with the times. If you don't adapt with the times, you get left behind.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So if you think about it, Shaq left you behind. You think about it. LeBron left you behind. I tried to use different analogies that can get him to better understand what. We know you're the power player. We know you in a position to power. We know this is your team. We know that. We just need you just. Pat, just a little bit. Just simmer down just a little bit. You know, let loose of the reins so we can get back to our winning ways here in Miami.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Now, Joe, let me ask you a question. Let's just say, for the sake of all, because. Oh. Let's just say you brought your food to work.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And your boss took your food that you brought to work that your wife or your girlfriend or your significant other prepared for you, and he threw it in the trash. Y' all say, ah, man, that. Oh, that ain't nothing but a little lunch. Or y' all raising hell. I'm just curious.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, no, we. We. We. We all gonna raise hell.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I'm just trying to figure out, so why is it that LeBron got upset about cookies, but everybody don't understand that. That those were his? So I'm just asking, Chad, you bring your. I don't know who takes their food to work, but if you took your food to work and your boss threw your food that was in the refrigerator, you. He threw it in the trash, how would you feel?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What y' all gonna say? Man, if I was making 25, 30 million dollars I let. No, you won't. There's a certain something called respect that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That you can't put a price tag on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

It ain't crass.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And when people disrespect you, you gonna step to them, and you're gonna handle accordingly.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Don't play with my cookies.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, if they. Look, Ocho Joe, we've been on team flights, and sometimes they have cookies, sometimes they have hamburgers, hot dog. Whatever the case may be, if he don't want to pass those out, I'm cool with it. Yeah, but don't touch my stuff. I brought my own food to. I brought my own food when ain't nobody know nothing about no damn meal prep. I would. I wish.

[Uncle Ocho]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, a rapper. Hold the county jail right next door to the Broncos facility. They just walked my ass right on over there. Hey, man, I don't. I don't. Don't. Don't play with. You don't play with people food.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't. Hey, hey, listen. You don't. Let me tell y' all something. As a guy who been in the Heat culture, I played for the Heat for a short period of time on the plane when I was there, when. When D. Wade and UD Nim was still there. Amari. And listen, bro, they didn't have regular Cheeto Doritos. They want none of that. You get your ass some peanuts, or you get some fruit, you know, a banana, apple, or orange or something, and you sit your ass down.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They ain't have all that, bro. It's other teams I played on here. They got all the snacks you can want. By the time you get off the plane, you don't accumulate 2, 000 damn calories of chips.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And chips, it's just like the flight. You. Hey, they could come about with that snack basket. You grab some chips now, you grab some peanuts, and then you grab some. You grab some Biscoff cookies.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And now you grab some. Some. Some. Some. Some. Some little twists.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Before you know, you're like, oh, would you like your meal? Hell, no.

[Guest/Caller]

I'm full.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't get on this bull job. Yeah, you. Somebody say, man, you ain't know that cookie story. Let me tell you something. I just wanted Michael Beasley to tell you his version of the story.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Don't you ever think I didn't know what actually happened. Just because I don't say anything don't mean I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I keep telling y' all that because if I tell you the first thing you will say where I got it from. So I just pretend like I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I know I've been new.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. Just lay low and play slow.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's it, Joe. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's all you gotta do. So I just, I pretend. Hey, Mike, come on. Cause you hear a different version of the story.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What happened?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Counter civil, add a little bit more. Okay. Oh, that's what we doing now?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, we take. Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

All right. Hey, Joe. That's my little play right there, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's that, man?

[Uncle Ocho]

Lay low and play slow.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Unc.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't even got to say nothing, boy. I played that so well.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It served you well.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, you get where. You get where I'm coming from?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, played it real well. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, bet. Yeah, yeah, I get it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Becky Hammond says she won't apologize for past comments about Jalen Brunson. All he did was prove history wrong. He proves he's an outlier. So you can put his name next to Steph Curry. Isaiah Thomas, he's a 1A dude. But I'm never gonna apologize for having an opinion. That's what ESPN pays me for. Well, she didn't like he's an outlier.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, true.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Think about, think about. She just put two. He added his name to two other guys in the 80 year history.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I give you a prime example. Jalen. Jalen Brunson is President Obama. He's an outlier. In the history, they've been 47 presidents. How many have been women? How many of them been people of color? Black. I'm stopped using that because they know. But we, we fight. We've been fighting and we keep saying people of color. Black. I'm tired of putting people in there and now ain't nobody fighting for us. And they can. I'm black. In the 250 year history of the end of the USA, how many presidents have been a woman and how many of them been black? So you would. So you can say what? So President Obama, did he prove. Did he prove the country wrong or is he an outlier? When we get a female, when we get a woman's president, is it proving the country wrong or is she an outlier?

[Uncle Ocho]

Outliers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So let me ask you a question, Joe. You think the NBA looking like, man, you know what we need to find? We need to find us a 5 foot 5, 10 or 6 foot point guard that could lead us to a Championship. Or they say, let me go get that six foot seven. Let me get that six, eight. Let me go get that six, nine.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you think? What you think they're looking for?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They said 6, 7, 6, 8, 6, 9, all day long.

[Uncle Ocho]

You notice. You notice. I asked y' all Uncle Joe as soon as he won, what was my. What was my next question, do you think? No, that's going to change departments and GMs, and wanting to find players like Jalen Brunson that are six, three or below and thinking he can. They can be able to replicate what he did. Y'.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y' all answer quick, too. Absolutely not.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, man, that's gonna be. That's gonna be tough. They don't. They don't really recruit a lot of those guys anymore. Six, two and under. You know what I mean? Huh? Yeah. Look, I mean, even. Even when you look at Darius Acuff, he's 6 2, but you look at his bill, how athletic he is, you know what I mean? He ain't your typical 62 guard. He plays a lot bigger than that. So they, they, they. Hey, Danger falling off trees now. They ain't looking for them guys no more. They want them long, rangy guys who can play multiple positions, who can defend multiple positions. This is where the game has come to. Look, we don't really have no post players no more, bro. It's a handful of guys who post up in the NBA. Crap, I'm talking about a handful.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. One hand.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

If you think about it, guys. As far as it's guys like that, and Joe, you mentioned is that they don't recruit him, and he's like, there ain't nobody drafting them. Anybody. I don't know if we'll ever see a guy like a Kyrie go number one overall again at that height.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, gonna be tough, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It'll be tough.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You gonna have to be special. Special.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And Kyrie was special.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But especially is. But see, and the thing is, you got to get a special type of team. They got. They got the ideal team for jb, Jalen Brunson to. You go get a Josh Hart, you get a Mikhail Bridges, and you get OG Anunoby. We got three wings that could defend at a very, very high level. We got Cat that can space the four, and we bring in Mitchell Robinson, who can rebound and give us second chance points.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep. Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Andrew Shamit used to be known as a shooter, but he upped his defense over the last couple of years.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I just don't know if teams. You got to have a special team. It's kind of like anything. You got to build your team around a Drew Brees. You got to build your team around a guy. I'm looking. Look, Give me a Josh Allen, bro. Give me the guy that's six foot three, Ocho six, three six, four, six, five, six, six big rocket arm, things like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

If you're gonna build your team and T. And you got to be willing to take a chance.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Beyond Rose West.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They say, you know what? We believe this guy, and we're going to build our team around this guy. Very few teams were willing to take that chance. And you look at Isaiah. What did Isaiah have? Joe Dumars could defend. Dennis Rodman could defend. Sally could defend. Rod. Excuse me, Mahorn. Lambert. Team's not doing that well. He's been. He's been phenomenal. I mean, I. I didn't see anything like him. It's the. You know, it's not so much that he's doing it, it's when he's doing it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And he do it every single effing game. Well, that's what's so amazing, Joe. It's not that he's doing. That is he's doing it every game, and he's doing it when it matters the damn most. You know who gonna get the ball. And you know his move. You're gonna put his shoulder in your chest and go hit a step back, or he go, hey, he gonna try and he gonna get you up and he gonna dip under.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If they in the fourth quarter, they in reach, you better believe your ass in trouble.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Got.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got trouble. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You are got.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But hey, hey. I think another thing will help New York, too, Uncle Ocho, is that Josh Hart, OG and Bridges. Not only do those guys guard at a high level, but they keep the floor space for guys like Brunson to be able to operate. See, none of those guys are heavy ball handlers. They catch, catch, and go. One, maybe two dribbles and they into their bag. Brunson is the only heavy ball handler they have. You know what I mean? So to have guys who can shoot and space the floor and keep the floor space, that's ideal for somebody like him, you know what I mean? And, Ocho, you gotta hope guys will be willing to take a damn pay cut like he did.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like it ain't. Man, think about it. You ain't leaving no hunter something mean on the damn table.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nope. And I think. And the thing is, if you look at OG and the way he shot the ball in the postseason. And Josh Hart makes just enough. And he makes them when they matter. Like you. Damn. Now we got to pay attention to him. Cause we're supposed to leave himself checked.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Remember Cleveland left his ass open and

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

he made him pay one year game. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And we saw, with the exception of that last game, OG Played flawless. With the exception of the last game, he didn't shoot the ball well. He played unbelievable. Think about every time they get a big. He get a three, he get an A1, he hit a big three, he block a shot. A play that could put him up double figures or put him up even more. He block it. He was stealing. You got to have guys willing to sacrifice. And the thing that you gotta like about the Knicks, those guys sacrifice. They like, hey, Brunson, it's one, I don't care who. Two, I don't care who. Three, I don't care who. Four, I don't care who. Five, we just know who number one is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. And when you got guys who star in a role. Okay, Ocho. Meaning you look at a guy like Josh Hart. Yep. He'll win you a game then with 27 points, but then he'll come back. He may have a damn donut, but he had. May have 15 rebounds with that donut. You know what I'm saying? And five or six assists and five or six assists. So they have a bunch of guys, not only who can play, but they just know they roll and they play it to the tee. A great unisex of a team.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm talking about who. Who mesh so well together at the right time.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know what I mean? Like, and Cat, I think, being the catalyst of it all, you know, them playing through Cat the way they did early, if it wasn't for Cat, they don't win them first two games and say first two.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Cat was unbelievable. He did unbelievable job of spacing the floor. He did a great job of keeping a Wimby ass off the glass.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. And from that and from that point on, you know, the tone was pretty much said, you win them two, you

[ISO Joe Johnson]

gotta play uphill, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'll snatch home court. Everything that you fought for, you said that you fought to put yourself in a situation because you beat OKC in the regular season, and it gave you confidence that if we saw him in the postseason, we could beat him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And then you like, you know what?

[Uncle Ocho]

We.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We, hey, we won 62 games, but we didn't get the best record. But guess what? Okay. Ain't nobody in the east has a better record than us. So we gonna have. You're gonna have to come through our building and two games we've lost home court. Yeah, just like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. That's the challenge.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, go ahead, Go ahead. Go ahead.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I was saying NFL has informed teams that it will not be holding a supplemental draft, mooning that Texas Tech quarterback Brendan Sorsby will not be eligible to enter the NFL in 2026. The CBA allows league Are you looking

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[Guest/Caller]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

I hate to say it, but I

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

don't trust much of anything.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's the rage bait.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

tremphiradio.com to decide whether to hold a supplemental draft. And this year it won't. To sum up a letter sent to Brendan Sorsby, the league wasn't planning on having a supplemental draft this year, and so Sorensby application was the only one they received. With Sorensby submitting only a handful of days ahead of the deadline, the NFL felt that it wasn't enough time to properly evaluate the situation and didn't have time to complete the record of an NCAA investigation. The petition did not have any supporting information or documentation as to why Sourceby should be granted entry after being declared ineligible to play by college football. The lead did make it clear that it was very had real concerns regarding the pattern of improper gambling activity during swordsby collegiate career. The NFL used the word integrity several times within the letter and what appears to be an effort to drive home their stance on gambling. It closes the state by plan is a privilege and Sorensby should focus on preparing for a possible entry in 2027.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

So what is it? Listen, I know he made a mistake. Well, it's not a mistake. I mean, well, everything a mistake. He just did it multiple times over and over because nobody knew, nobody found out, obviously, until it was. It was too late. But what does he do now? Obviously?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, he ain't playing the NFL. He can go to college. He can go to Canada, play one.

[Uncle Ocho]

Play one year in Canada. Yeah, who has. I wonder who has his rights? Because that would be a good thing to do instead of taking the whole year off. Go play again. Go play a year in Canada, boy. I mean, look, do that and get a better understanding on how good them boys is down there. It ain't gonna be no walk in the park, I can tell you that,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, all them boy down there home rain the man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe, why went to Canada, boy? Thinking it was gonna be sweet?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, what happened, Ojo?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What? What? What were you Ojo? Who. Who you play for then?

[Uncle Ocho]

I was. I was in Montreal with that. With Alaws.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe. It was the wake up call every week, Joe. No matter who he was playing. I'm talking about Joe. I'm on the sideline confused, like, what the hell is y' all doing down here? Yeah, I'm talking about Joe like that, you know, so think about it like this. The NFL, NFL has this premier elite players. Every team has their elite players. Yeah, when we talk about your backups and your role players. Yeah, well, hell, that could be anybody over there. You can. You can exchange players in Canada and put them on NFL team and you wouldn't know who's who outside. Outside of the elite players. Now that's different. You know, your Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, that's different. But the resident boys down in Canada, man, stop playing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They get down like that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe, I swear I wouldn't lie to you. Especially when. Not when it comes to no goddamn football. Them boys could play some ball, Joe. It either was politics or number crunching or I got in trouble in college.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I didn't get the opportunity because you remember Cameron Wake started off in Canada.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

In Miami, he ended up with 100 sacks.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, Joe. You talk about a humbling experience, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, I'm already on. I'm already on the back end of my career anyway. You know, I wanted.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think that had more to do with it than anything. Ocho. I don't think your heart was in it anymore.

[Uncle Ocho]

You don't think so?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn it. It felt like it, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It was. You might know. I keep. I shoot you straight. It wasn't anymore. His heart wasn't in it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe. I just want. I just wanted to finish on my terms, you know? That's all.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You wanted to finish in your hometown. And when that got taken away. Yeah. You weren't the same.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they took it away.

[Uncle Ocho]

I might still get opportunity. You never know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We about to put. We about to put. We. We about to put a gift T shirt with all three our heads on it. You can sit your old ass down, man. The NCAA Division 1 cabinet has unanimously voted to approve its age based eligibility model. This will grant athletes five years of eligibility over five season, notably eliminating red shirts and waivers. According to the NCAA Division 1, student athletes will receive five years of eligibility if they enroll in college no later than the academic year following their 19th birthday. Limited exceptions. Exceptions will be granted for factors such as religious missions like byu. Yeah, guys normally. Guys normally take a missionary trip. They have to go abroad for a year. Military services. You're in the army, you're in the Navy. You normally have to go do a bid. David. Allah. David Robinson. Allah. Roger. Starbucks. Schools will have the flexibility regarding student athletes who have remaining eligibility after the current academic year. At the discretion of each school, these student athletes can either have an age based model applied to them or continue to follow the original NCA eligibility rules. Look, I got. Look, I think. I think what happened is that Covid put this stuff in a table, man. We shouldn't have. Guys gotten. You shouldn't get six, seven, eight, nine years of eligibility, man. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys. I just can't. I've got 27, 26, 27.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, that Kobe killed it, bro. Kobe killed it because a lot of cats went two years without playing and they still got that eligibility back. Yeah, and it's unfortunate because we ain't come up like that, bro. No, you know what I mean? Think about it. You can still. Is it still that you can go to junior college for two years and still have four years of eligibility at a Power 5? Ash.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Did they put it in there? Can you go to junior college and still have four years. Because if you went to junior college for two, you had two left.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that's how. But now that's what I'm saying now. It's been like you could go to junior college, do two years at junior college and still get a scholarship to go to a power five for four years.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that's how guys are starting to be 24, 25 years old.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, listen, this is a professional sport now, Uncle Ocho. We don't want no 18, 19 year olds in here, man. Hey, hey, hold on, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

We trying to win now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, we look trying to win.

[Uncle Ocho]

Listen, if you can help us win, we gonna give you a little bag.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If you the upper echelon, meaning like if you top 20, you know, as a freshman, you probably could go somewhere and play. But five star. But outside of that, bro, just a normal regular old 19 year old who could play. Man, please.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They ain't, I mean, yeah, but it's, I mean, guys, 25, I'm, I'm out there, I'm 18, 19 and this guy 24, 25.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, we paying, we paying too much money nowadays.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Joe, it's still following the recent landmark antitrust ruling and court actions such as Diego Pavia case against the ncaa. Time spent planet junior college level does not count against your four years of NCAA eligibility. Thus effectively allows athletes to play two years of JUCO and then transfer. Excuse me, play at JUCO and still maintain four full years of NCAA eligibility.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. So think about that. Think about you come out of high school and you ain't getting recruited for real. You, you, you need to still develop mentally, physically, all that and you can go to junior college for two years, prepare yourself and then look when you come out of junior College. Ocho, you 21, 22 years old. Hell, you a grown ass man now.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you don't think a power five gonna want you because you've been in the system already. Yeah, you know how to play, you know what it takes, you know the grind, you know what I mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's why they like, that's why they like. Joe, that's why they like guys, they like going into the portal because that guy already knows like what it's like to be a college. A student. College student. Athlete. Yeah, I guess we shouldn't call them students anymore. They call, they call professional athletes now. They just happen to go to college. But yeah, I, I, I like, come on now. I mean, they were, they were doing Too much. These guys had 6, 7, 8, 9. Got 27. 28 playing college football. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, what's young boy name from the Miami Hurricanes. The tight end. That was what.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In school, like, yo. Like 27 this past year.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe, he been there for a little minute, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He done had. He done red. He done red shirted. Medical. Red shirt. Covid.

[Uncle Ocho]

Red shirt.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, can y' all imagine being 27 out there on a college field? The way y' all probably cutting up

[ISO Joe Johnson]

in the league, bro, I couldn't. I couldn't imagine.

[Uncle Ocho]

I would have scored a touchdown, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I got to the league. I got to the league. I was 22. Cause I didn't. Red shirt.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And I was looking back, I was like, man, can you imagine if I was a College freshman at 22, what I would do to these kids, right? I did this at 18. I did this at 18. 19. Can you imagine, Joe? Can you imagine your first two years in the NBA? You a college student?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I averaged about 28 a game.

[Guest/Caller]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's just so much that you learn, bro, when you go pro league.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was getting ready to say that

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

you learn so much of the nuances of the game game, like how to. How to make the game easier for yourself. You, you, you, you, you. You learn great work habits, you know? And mentally, bro, you just in a whole. A totally different space, man. That's why when you look at. When I be watching college basketball, like, man, boy, if it was like this when I was playing, damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I think the thing is, guys, we would now, because the guy, they make money. Joe, ain't nobody really. Unless you like the top, top guys. Ain't nobody trying to leave. Oh, y' all trying to keep getting that little one little, Little five hundred thousand million dollars. We would try. The only way you get that kind of money, you had to go professional. Now you're getting professional money at college.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, and guess what? After. After your duration in college, that's it. A lot of them guys ain't gonna never play the game again, whether it's basketball, football. So you better take advantage of it while you young, you know? I mean, everybody ain't gonna make it to the pros. AKA ojo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nope. So if. Hey, if I can make me a couple of million dollars before I get there and give me a head start on the. On life.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hold on. If I don't make it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If I don't make it. Give me a head start on life.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hello.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Cristiano Ronaldo has become the first player to score in six different FIFA World cup tournaments. Ronaldo scored. You said no show. You said he's gonna get a couple of goals. Ronaldo has played the perfect decoy. Doing Nuno Mendez. Mendes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Mendez.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Mendez. Free kick. Goal. Ronaldo. After the game, it was a difficult week, a dark week. It felt like I retired, like I retired from soccer. But I hung in there, as always, as I always do, because I believe in hard work more than anything else. It was tough, I have to admit, but we're back. Oo.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Your goat responded today.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he did. He did. He responded. He responded. The chatter was very loud, Obviously. He expressed how he was feeling.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He said it was dark.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, it was dark. And listen, he's had to deal with the. With the naysayers for a very long time at this point, for it to still bother him as long as he's been at the top, obviously, now, 41 years old and still trying to play at a high level and prove all the naysayers wrong, and it's a little bit difficult. Unki's in a Joe. He's in a different position now where he's reliant on others to be able to feed him the ball.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

He's not. He's not his younger self, where he can dictate games, he can control games. He has the ball at his feet more time than. More time than not. So it's a little bit different for him now. And when things don't go right with his teammates, it doesn't go well for him because he can't do it by himself. Today's game, it was good. It was decent. He almost had three. He had. He had maybe two other chances where he could have had a hat trick, hell, maybe even had four goals, but he didn't. I'm. I'm. I'm happy for him. I'm happy for the team in general, and I'm happy for all the Messi fans. I'm happy for the Messi fans because all this says if we get to continue this debate going on for the next month. What? Month and a half? Because, yeah, the final is July 19th. To continue this healthy debate between Messi and Cristiano for the next. Next month and a half. And obviously, I love both players.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, you better pray Messi don't win the World cup, because you ain't gonna have no. I mean, you really ain't got legs to stand on now. But if you win another World cup and a Golden Boot Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, that, that, that, that'll hurt. That'll hurt.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, listen.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, listen. And Joe, even if he. I'm let you go, even if, even if Messi does win another one, I still appreciate him and all he's done for the game. I have a great understanding on how great he is. But yet again, my preference, it will still be Caano.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I only know that can be your preference. You can't. You couldn't. Your preference would be. Because the argument for the gold is not about preference. It's about the best player.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, no, no.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, no, I mean, I mean

[Uncle Ocho]

if you're the best player, then Jordan should be your goat. Then if that's the case.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No,

[Uncle Ocho]

you see what I mean?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, because you got to realize. But see, it's not that lopsided. Your guy. How many guy. How many gold balls your guy got?

[Uncle Ocho]

I. Oh, I don't have the numbers in front of me. I don't have it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think it's eight to five.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, that's. Oh, the blondie or. Yes, eight to five.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, eight to five. How many golden boots awards he got?

[Uncle Ocho]

Wow. I don't got it in front of me. I want to say and lie to you. If I had.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So when you, when you look at it and see, here's the thing, like if, if you take, if you take, if you take. Because I think you got to add all of it up. LeBron has been a 21 time all NBA player. There's only, there's only one guy that's played more than 21 seasons. That's Vince. He has more all NBA seasons than all players other than Vince Carter has seasons. He's a 21 time starter in the All Star game.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I understand all that. LeBron is still a goat and so is.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But look, no, Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan. You and I talking like, okay, people, it's going to be an old age debate.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's never going to end.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's never going to end ever. It's never going to end. But I tell you what's going to end. Nightcap. It's time for our final save evening. It's time for Q.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that's a good one,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Shannon. And Nightcap. Please wish Cartier from Georgia A happy 15th birthday on June 25th. We're surprising him with tickets to see the Falcons 49ers in October. Happy birthday, Cartier. Cartier, happy birthday from the Nightcap family, Ocho and I. So we want to wish you a happy 15th birthday on Thursday, bro. Mine is on Friday, so. Hey, and you getting tickets to the. The Falcons 49ers game that's going to happen in October. Enjoy the game. Hopefully your Falcons win. Hopefully. You're a Falcons fan. I'm assuming that you're a Falcons fan. You're from Georgia, so you got to be so happy 15th birthday. What made you NC Tar Heel fan? ISO you. Were you recruited by NC or any other ACC schools? Because, look, the first game, I remember a little bit like Marquette winning the national championship in 77. I don't know if you remember. No, you. You was very young. Oh, so you. I mean, I saw you was born in 81, so I damn sure know. You don't remember Kentucky winning the national championship with Cal Mason at the point guard in 78.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And then Magic won it in 79. And then Louisville wanted an 80. Indiana 1 in 82. Jordan 1 in 80. Excuse me. Indiana 181. Jordan 182. North Carolina State 83. Patrick Ewing won in 84. Villanoda 185. Louis Will won again at 86. Syracuse 1 in 87. Danny in the Miracles. Kansas 1 in 88. Michigan 1 in 89. UNLV wanted in 90. Duke 1 in 91. I'm just. I'm just going, joe, I'm stopped. I'm stopping. I don't want to keep going and keep going back that far. You're like, I'll bet you. Because you know what they gonna say, oh, then you know you gonna talk about this. And you. You got it up on your screen. I'm just. No, the first. Honestly, the. Really, like I said, I remember Kyle Mason wanted, Kentucky wanted in 78, but really, I got into basketball and really, like, 79 and saw Bird Magic. But then I saw when Indiana beat North Carolina at 82, I was like, man, that was really my first time seeing. Even though I think Marquette beat tar heels in 77, that was really my first time paying attention. And then in 82, when they beat Georgetown in the Superdome and Michael hit that shot, I was a Tar Heel fan. Yeah, I've been a Tar Heel fan ever since. I remember in.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

In.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

In Albuquerque when Elijah won them and they lost to NC State, when Wittenberg shot that shot and Lorenzo Charles dunked it at the buzzer. Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm like, oh, my God, I cannot believe this. I cannot believe this. When they had Wittenberg and Derek Lowe, Lorenzo charge thorough, thorough. Bailey who played at Utah, I was like, oh, but I've Been a tar. I've been a Tar Heel fan Basically, since 81. You get recruited by the Tar Heels, Joe, or you was always going to Arkansas?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I was always going to Arkansas, Uncle Ocho. I never took a visit nowhere. It was only two. Two coaches who came in and sat in my mother's living room and talked to me. And there was Tick Price, because he was a head coach at the University of Memphis. And Memphis was close, you know what I mean? It was closer to get to Memphis. The University of Memphis, and it was University of Arkansas.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And Penny Hardaway is one of my favorite players growing up. So I was like, shit, playing at Memphis, Coach Tick Price told me everything I wanted to hear. Man, we're gonna give you the ball. We gonna let you rock out. Cause at this time in high school, at 6, 6, 6, 7, Uncle Ocho, I'm. I'm playing under the gold. I'm the biggest dude on the court, you know what I mean? But when you get to college, it's different. I can play on the perimeter now because I ain't the biggest dude on the court, right? But, man, when Nolan Richardson came in there and sat down, he told my mama, he said, you gonna send him to me as a boy, I'm gonna send him back as a man. And you know, us. Us. My mom, she loved that, bro. But I was always gonna be a Razorback. I grew up watching them early in the 90s when it was Ty Day, Lee Mayberry, Big Oliver Miller, God rest his.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Williamson.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, Big Corliss Williamson, Scotty Thurman, Corey Beck, Clint McDaniel. See, in the 90s, Uncle Ocho, the Razorbacks, they would. They were always a top five, if not the number one ranked team, you know what I'm saying?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And then they lost the next year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, we won in 94, lost in 95. So that was UCLA. Yeah, that's our professional sport, you know, in Arkansas. Cause we don't have a professional team. So once I. Once I became a Razorback, I just wanted to be amongst the greats, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Guys, what Joe said, he's been a mama's boy and he wasn't leaving Arkansas.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, he ain't lying either, boy. He ain't lying. He ain't lying. He ain't lying. Well, he ain't lying.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I like to pick my thunders made tonight, but I think door is gone for sure now. Maybe sign and trade with SGA Williams, Chad and Hartenstein and Mara. Look, they got that pick. That. That pick is for Wimby. Yeah, that pick is for Wimby.

[Uncle Ocho]

And he ain't gonna be able to do nothing with him either.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey. And that's another big body you could throw at him, though.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Exactly. Hopefully he's not afraid like the other guy is. Okay, see, won the draft and we didn't even have a top 10 pick.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He said okay, see, what was the

[ISO Joe Johnson]

draft and they didn't have a top 10 pick?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, okay, see, got a bunch of assets over there, bro. A bunch of assets that they gonna have to figure out something. They got to figure it out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know what's going on. Would you be listening to Jordan. Doc here at Nightcap Fam? My first trip to New York in Buffalo. Went to Niagara Falls. Best view I've seen. What are you guys favorite place to travel?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ooh,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

my favorite.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You played in Buffalo?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Did you go, did you go to Toronto?

[Uncle Ocho]

No, I ain't go over there. Oh, hey, I know, I know it's over there. I ain't want no part of that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What you mean you, what you mean? What's over there? Okay, okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. Yeah, okay. All right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know what? I wanna, I want to go see. I would like to see the northern lights and I like to see the falls, you know that water cascade?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, just something about water.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, water my ass.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Toronto. Hey, hey. Toronto. Nice though.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Quiet as kept.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

love how Ocho and ISO can speak about game without calling athletes out of their name or over criticizing. Much respect. What? I ain't say nothing but sneak freak. You know what I'm saying? Don't you join? He was trying to call him Greek freak. They call him sneak freak. He was trying to sneak out and get without getting criticism. But you know what? Do you love when, oh, do you love when Ocho and ISO over over praise? Because nobody ever gets tired. They don't ever get side. Man, you praising him too much.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, nah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'd be short and quick with my praise, you know, Sean, Quick.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But much respect, Ocho and Joe for not over criticizing. What's up, big three? Can I get a birthday shout out? My son Sebastian turns 12 today, the 23rd. Watching him grow up is the greatest gift.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Keep it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Keep up the great work. Nightcap fan. Sebastian.

[Uncle Ocho]

Happy birthday.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Happy 12th birthday.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Happy birthday.

[Uncle Ocho]

Happy birthday, Sea Bass.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's unbelievable. Yeah, well, one retina and the big, big teenager.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, make sure you get a car at 13 too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, man, come on, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was driving at 13, boy. I had my restricts.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You can't get no strict till 16, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

The rules different down here in Miami.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's a federal law. If you're so in love with your girlfriend and she cheats, you're so torn and broken up. Imagine if your wife cheats on you. It's a thousand times worse. Why put. Why. Why go through that pain?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So what they saying?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Why get married?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Amen. Teach his own brother.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Bro Tay Tay. I am sorry if that happened to you, because you speak it like a guy from Talking from experience.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And a lot of times, experience is your best teacher. You can become jaded by things that have happened in your life.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You can. Will turn you. When people have wronged you, be it, you know, homeboy or best friend or a relationship, a heterosexual relationship. It will change you. It absolutely will.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But. Oh, man. Me and Ocho and Joe, we get married.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I so still king ISO. Question for your fathers. I'm raising my son to be an athlete. Any advice on how to avoid living vicariously through my son?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, did you. If you were an athlete and you accomplished something, it's kind of hard because a lot of people live vicariously through their kid. Ocho didn't have to live through his kid. Ocho was a professional athlete. Joe doesn't have to live through his kid. He was a professional athlete.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't have to live.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I didn't have to live through mine. That. That's their life. You gotta let. I understand that you want to impart. Take the wisdom that you know and what you can teach him. You want to instill in that. But you got to let him. You got to let him do that for him, not for you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because it's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's harder. It's harder when you're a professional athlete, you know what I mean? Because it's like, man, you projecting this on your child, and they. You don't know how they gonna perceive that or receive it. Meaning, like thinking, damn, well, my dad was a professional. I gotta be a professional. And they put that burden on themselves, bro. And then if it don't happen, the. The crash from that. Hey. Yes. And burn, bro. So it. I think. I think it's hard if you're a professional athlete and your child and you stay on them and you push them and you. You know what I mean? I feel like you. You can draw them and you can draw them away from the game, actually.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Even if even those parents that didn't play, those parents that had aspirations of wanting to make it that didn't make it. And then they have kids, whether it's a female or male, they push them so goddamn hard. By the. By the time the kids get a little old, a little old enough to

[ISO Joe Johnson]

understand, they're done with.

[Uncle Ocho]

I want to do this ain't what I want to do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you turned them against it.

[Uncle Ocho]

You got to make sure as a kid, as a child that they are having fun. Loving what they do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Correct.

[Uncle Ocho]

Loving what they do. As long as they loving what they doing and you're not forcing the issue, you're gonna be fine.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

You're gonna be fine.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Vicariously. Are you wanting him to do that because you didn't do it, or you wanting him to do that because of the perks that comes along if he were to make it, that you would benefit from?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Come on, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

See, we didn't have that. We didn't have that. You know, I want my. I want my kids to do great in whatever they do. Excuse me, Chad, but that's not. That's not my life. That's theirs. And I've always. I've always. I've never pushed my kids. Whatever they decide, I would push them. But I ain't say you need to play football. Well, you need to play soccer. Well, you need to be a gymnast. Well, you need to run track.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because I never wanted my kid to say, I only did that because you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I never wanted my kids to say that to me because that would break my heart.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I only wanted them to be the best at whatever they wanted to be their best at.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

My dream was playing the NFL. That wasn't their dream. Let them live their life. You had yours. So you don't had your life, and now you want. Now you want to project on him because your life didn't want to go the way you go. You. And now you want to steer him in that. Oh, you want to steer her in that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But if that's what they want to do. You hear Serena and Venus talk about all the time. There was time. But they. The dad say, I never pushed them. They wanted to go Lavar ball say they wanted to go to the gym. Yeah, you'll know. You'll know. You'll see it early on what he or she really wants to do, if they really want to do it. You can't push them hard enough.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep. Absolutely.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, oo. I heard Tank team reached out to Devin Haney for a possible fight. Who you like? I got Devin by decision.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh. Oh.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's.

[Uncle Ocho]

That. That'll be. That'll be a good one. Hypothetically speaking, Tank and Devon, that'd be. That'd be a nice chess match. That'd be a nice chess match. Oh, yeah. But have to be careful, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cause that power Tank guy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, listen, that low center of gravity, too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean that. That'd be a good one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You think Ryan Garcia hits hard.

[Uncle Ocho]

And also Devin is not. Devin is not sloppy like that. Devin is not going to take those chances. He gonna. He gonna box smart round by round,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

and we'll have to.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I think, I think it. I think it go to decision because I don't see Devin letting his hands go, understanding the threat and the power that Tank possesses. But I think it would be a really good fight. Really good fight. I think it goes the decision who wins that decision is based on the rounds, round by round.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, guys, we need nightcap outside Westminster Dog Show. I've already went Kentucky Derby. I've already went Houston Rodeo, etc. Nightcap. Events like these would be amazing. Man, look, I had so much fun at the Westminster Dog show. Like my second year, I think at Fox I did that. I was a correspondent. And so obviously I'm gonna gravitate towards the dogs that I got. I had Pomeranians. I grew up around hunting dogs. The blue ticks, the bloodhounds, the black and tan, that tree and Walker, what bullies had a bull mastiff and, you know, saw the Beagles. And so naturally I kind of gravitated towards the dog that I had and I knew a lot about. And then, you know, people, because I was. Because we in production and I'm talking and it's like, well, this dog, you know, won three best in shows. Normally the dog went best in show. They retired a dog, ain't nothing else you can do. But way back when, before they started retiring dogs, they would let the dog compete. Wirehead, you know, terriers obviously, is one of the most.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think

[ISO Joe Johnson]

wire Cody Terrier one, I think a Terry, back in the 30s, maybe late 20s, early 30s, won three in a row. But I just, I just, I just, I was just a dog fanatic. And to see the bichon free, say Junior, actually I went. I wanted to get. I wanted to get a bichon. So I flew, uh, Houston because that's what Scott Summer, who was the, uh, part owner Heller. Celia Ruggles actually owned the Junior. So that tells you how much I actually knew because I actually went to the man house and looked at the dogs.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And, and the appen. Pincher Banana Joe and, and to see, you know, the pointer and it's just, I mean, I had such a great time. I mean I was like in heaven. That's like, man, you seem so happy. I said, man, I'm, I'm more happy to cover this than the Super Bowl. I don't know if you all can tell, but I really am. But I, I, I just love the Kentucky Derby was unbelievable. I got an opportunity to meet Bat Bob Bradford. We exchanged number, rest his soul. Met Dwayne Lucas, you know, and just to see those amazing horses up close. Oh man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And it just, I mean they just all muscle. I mean they take a step and just everything just rippling. I mean the high, oh man, it's, it is a thing of beauty. And you're looking at an animal that weighs a thousand pounds. Twelve hundred pounds is the ankles, is the size of a two hundred pound man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I'm all for it, you know. You know, obviously, you know, it takes a lot. People don't understand what production costs to do something outside. Especially do something. We basically have to probably have backpacks to be able to get around. And so we, we can have the people can see it as we're going through because it's hard to get crews set up and do all that kind of stuff. It, it, you couldn't do it. You couldn't do it at an event like that. You'd have to. Obviously at Fox they had different stations and you know, cameras. A guy would follow, was, followed me around and I was, you know, talking to, I got an opportunity to talk to some of the handlers and I go back and I see the people, you know, primping the dog, getting them ready, you know, washing them and hair dry and blow drying them and, and hairspray and all that. It's, it was bro, it was great. And hold on. As a matter of fact, a bichon won the year that I covered. I can't remember his name though. Check y' all remember. Do y' all remember the guy, the, the dog's name? Was that 20 in 2017? Was it 2018? I can't remember. If I'm not mistaken, I think a bichon won that year and the guy was from Denver. But I had a great time. I would definitely, I would. Excuse me, Ash. Flynn. That's his name. That is exactly his name. Flynn. Flynn. That's him. Hey, if y' all go back, you can see I got picture, but I'm holding, playing like he a baby. But I got flared in my arm like he a child. Cause the couple's like. Because the, the, the, the owners is from Colorado, from Denver. Man, I got pictures, man. Y' all can see that thing on there. I mean, I took so many pictures with Flynn, man, I had me a great time, but like I said, I wanted to be Sean, but they're really hard to keep cleaned up with that white fur. Ash have to be Sean. But now I think I'm done with the big dogs. I think now I'm just, I'm just a Palm guy now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How many you got? How many you got over there?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I got Two Palms and I got Titus.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, okay, you done? No more.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No more big dogs. No more big dogs. Just little ones. You see a Titus, I'm gonna send you a picture. Titus. Joe. The Titus. Is Titus a monster?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Is he. What do you weigh? What do you weigh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All, All. I'm talking about all muscle. He probably about 177. 178.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He, he, he. Yeah, he'll load.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. I need to come, I need to come on in your house, man, and see if, See, I'm gonna tussle with him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I, I, I wouldn't recommend that, but okay, I'll let you come on in there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, what time. Hey, what Titus go do to him?

[Guest/Caller]

Hey, he.

[Uncle Ocho]

We probably gonna laugh. Me and Tight. Me and tight are gonna have a good time. We're gonna sit there and laugh.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Whatever you thinking, that's what I know.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, you know, they called me the dog whisperer.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, I'm gonna need you to sign a waiver.

[Uncle Ocho]

Wait, what's the waiver for?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm running. I'm running short on money right now, so I can't afford to let no more. I can't afford to let no more money go out o Joke, but. Nah, man. He. But I would. But we had talked about Ocho. Remember last year? We talked about. We had bun on about going to the rodeo.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, we not missing rodeo next year. You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Huh? Get you get, get your boots. Get your boots. Get your, your chaps or whatever, whatever else you need. We going to rodeo next year.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We're going to the rodeo next year.

[Uncle Ocho]

We're gonna have nightcap at rodeo.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm down. I'm.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you know, I ain't.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm talking to Bond. I'm talking to the powers that be, man. Make sure, you know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. ISO Start. Bench cut. Jeff T. Lou Will. Gilbert Arenas.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn. Well, I'm Gil. Gil starting, but Agent Zero Was hell, said ISO. Oh, my bad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn. Yeah, I got. I gotta start Gil Gill with pressure. Boy, when he played, when he was a hibachi when he was in Washington. Uncle Ocho, nice.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

People don't realize how good Gil was. They look at him now because he'll be saying some bull, save himself crazy stuff at times, but Gil could play

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

that man, putting up 27, 30 points a night

[ISO Joe Johnson]

in some. Some Louis Vuittons.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. He gonna be out there and something. He gonna be out there in something that's gonna make you be like. But I'm gonna go, Gil, I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to go, Teague. Then I'll go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Lou will. Damn. I'm sorry, Lou. Yo, I sent you a picture. Titus. As seedy as the NFL can sometimes can be, sometimes they made the right move not having a supplemental draft for Soresby. And shout out to Caleb Wilson, go heels.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir. Caleb Wilson. He next up, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How do you guys feel about trading Chet for Miles Turner?

[Ryan Seacrest]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, no, man, Y'.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y'.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All, listen, man, these people get. They going crazy now because. Because Chick had that bad series against the spurs, man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's a learning experience, bro. He gonna bounce back from that. I'm not trading no Chick for no Miles Turner. Y' all tripping.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, he gonna bounce back from it probably when he played everybody else except Wimby.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, he gonna be different when he play women because he gonna know and understand. He. He gonna have to bring a whole nother different level playing against that young man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You have to. All right, that concludes this episode. You get it, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I got it. That boy look like a monster out there,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

man. Cuz, the neighbors just got a puppy. He looking over the. Bro, bring your ass back. And the lady's like, well, he's fine. He. He can't get. I said, ma', am, he can jump that fence. They all in them people business.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's. That's part of having a bubble. A mastiff. That's what they do. They nosy. They want to know everything that's going on. That's why they such great guard dogs.

[Uncle Ocho]

Your dog, he guard the house.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. He gonna. Hey, you know, he gonna sniff you soon. You hit the block. He already know. Yeah, okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Like my family. My. Look, my brother, like, the only guy that. That can be around and I still have to be is Jordan. Like, when my brother come, I put him in the spot. My son come over here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He be what? He be growling.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Go, spot. Hey, I put him in spot the whole while. You don't play. I don't know what it is about being. He ain't fooling with him you want.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And he ain't too cute on women either.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey. Hey. You rather have to turn him down and have to turn him up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he stayed. He stays in the spot when most of the time I put him completely up. Hey, I put him complete. I put him completely up. I don't let him around anybody because I had. That's how I was. I had Erratis.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Anybody that came over other than Bucket, I put him up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I wanted him to associate. Ain't nobody friends. This is the only friend that should be around.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello. Hello.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And they ain't play the drums.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, sir. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Well, y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc. That is my partner and co host. That's Liberty City's own the bingo ring of fame honoree, the former pro bowler and an all pro. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and he's back tonight after one night off. Flights was tough getting in and out of Atlanta due to that thunderstorm that popped up. He's a seven time NBA all star from the Atlanta Hawks. The University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for for your support and your continued support. All of this is possible because of you. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shea by Laportier, head over to laportierconjac.com to purchase you a bottle if it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. It is a premium VSOP cognac that drinks like an exo without the price. It's the best tasting, smoothest VSOP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself compared against other cognacs and you will see it is the best tasting, smoothest VSOP cognac on the market. Thank you guys for joining us. The draft was tonight. The Washington wizard selected AJ Debonza, the forward out of byu. Utah Jazz select Darren Peterson, guard out of Kansas. The Grizzly select Cameron Boozer, a 68 powerful forward and center out of Duke. And Caleb Wilson went number five to the Chicago Bulls. Again, thank you for joining us tonight. We're off tomorrow. We will see you back Thursday. Thank you guys again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Peace.

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