Nightcap Hour 2: Eagles TRADE A. J. Brown to PATRIOTS + OBJ is BACK HOME in New York + Russell Wilson RETIRES from NFL to JOIN CBS + Dak PRAISES Caleb Downs’ LEADERSHIP + Steph Curry SIGNS with LI-NING

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Eagles TRADE A.J. Brown to PATRIOTS + OBJ is BACK HOME in New York + Russell Wilson RETIRES from NFL to JOIN CBS + Dak PRAISES Caleb Downs’ LEADERSHIP + Steph Curry SIGNS with LI-NING
Date: June 2, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe Thomas (with “Uncle Joe”/Joe Budden-type banter)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap delivers instant reactions and in-depth discussion on blockbuster sports news: A.J. Brown’s trade to the Patriots, Odell Beckham Jr. returning to the Giants, Russell Wilson retiring to join CBS, Dak Prescott’s praise for rookie Caleb Downs, and Steph Curry’s major move to Li-Ning. The hosts, all former pro athletes, provide their characteristically unfiltered, humorous, and insightful takes, peppered with friendly banter, lived-experience analogies, and a dash of friendly trash talk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eagles Trade A.J. Brown to the Patriots

Main Take:
Nobody on Nightcap is surprised by the trade. The hosts predicted this back when A.J. Brown’s unhappiness became clear earlier in the season.

• Trade Details: Eagles send A.J. Brown to the Patriots for a 2028 first and 2027 fifth. (03:00)
• Rationale: Issues with offensive coordinator, play-calling, and clear friction between Brown and Hurts made this split inevitable.
• Joe Thomas: “We talk about October, you know, around November, when things weren't going well... the rifts and the disconnect... between Jaylen Hurst and A.J. brown. You could see it coming.” (04:08)
• Eagles Aftermath:
  • Unc and the crew believe Philly’s system is good enough to stay competitive, even if there will be growing pains with new faces like Makai Lemon.
  • Saquon Barkley and a new OC (Sean Mannion, ex-Packers) keep optimism high.
• On A.J. Brown’s Fit in New England:
  • Chemistry with Coach Mike Vrabel (familiarity helps).
  • Patriots’ receiving group looks deep—Romeo Doubs, KeShawn Boutte among them.

Notable Quote:

• “When someone is not happy someplace, you can't buy them enough. You can't do enough things. When somebody doesn't want to be there, you can't do enough.” – Ochocinco (13:01)

Memorable Moment:
A.J. Brown’s happiness compared to not being able to please someone in a relationship—“If you buy your girl the most expensive Birkin bag...and she’s still unhappy? That’s A.J.” (12:07)

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2. Odell Beckham Jr. Returns to Giants

Main Take:
OBJ provides insurance and veteran savvy as the Giants try to shore up their receiver room, which also now includes Juju Smith-Schuster.

• Context: OBJ hadn’t played since 2024. (18:58)
• Role: Likely more of a complementary and locker room leader; production expectations are realistic.
• Roster Depth: Discussion on health of Malik Nabors and whether Juju/OBJ can still separate.
• Scheme Matters: Can Matt Nagy (OC) scheme these older receivers open? Giants need creativity.

Notable Quotes:

• “But the question...what’s the number one thing for a receiver? He’s gotta get separation. Can Juju separate? Can OBJ separate anymore?” – Ochocinco (22:16)
• “Give OBJ a chance to prove everybody wrong though. If Malik Nabors is not able to go, can you steer the ship until neighbors comes back?” – Joe Thomas (24:03)

Memorable Moment:
Joe and Ocho riffing on old rivals: “I already. No poo. I just. I said, hey, I'm a combination of Emperor Reyes and Earl Strickland. That's. I'm. I'm a combination.” (73:40)

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3. Russell Wilson Retires, Joins CBS

Main Take:
Wilson’s transition to analyst is a logical next step. The hosts discuss his Hall of Fame credentials—and how the Hall’s standards have become confusing.

• Russ’s Career Recap: 46,966 passing yards, 353 TDs, 10 Pro Bowls, 1 Super Bowl. (36:30)
• Legacy Hot Take:
  • Unc: “I used to think I know what a Pro bowl player was...I give up. I don't know.”
  • “There was a stretch that Russell Wilson was as good... His improvisational skills. He was a virtuoso.” (41:04)
• Doubt Over Hall of Fame Clarity: Committee standards have changed; the bar keeps moving.

Notable Quotes:

• “You can have an outstanding career and not be a Hall of Famer, but I don't even know what a Hall of Famer is anymore...Derrick Thomas had to wait five times. So I don't know.” – Ochocinco (46:25)

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4. Dak Prescott Praises Caleb Downs’ Leadership

Main Take:
Caleb Downs has already impressed veterans with his maturity and leadership potential, drawing favorable comparisons.

• Dak’s Words: “How professional he is, how calm he is, quiet yet confident. It's contagious...” (52:57)
• Cowboys’ Hope:
  • Team needs leader on defense—the Achilles heel for years.
  • “We need somebody who will come in, step up, and be that leader...” – Uncle Joe (53:25)
• Concerns:
  • Daron Bland’s return from injury.
  • Outlook is cautiously optimistic, but all agree Dallas’s defense “gotta fix that this year.” (53:53)

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5. Steph Curry Signs with Li-Ning

Main Take:
Curry’s massive 10-year deal with Chinese brand Li-Ning is all about global business, brand independence, and future legacy.

• Why Not Nike/Adidas?
  • Li-Ning offers more: an entire Curry “brand” under their umbrella and opportunities to sign other athletes.
  • Nike doesn't want “another Jordan situation”—i.e., lose control or share massive profits.
  • “Nike shouldn’t have had the circle back. Yeah, they shouldn’t have. Make me an offer I can't Refuse.” – Joe Thomas (66:25)
• Broader Trend:
  • Young stars no longer see Nike as default; Puma, New Balance, even Skechers now in play.
  • “Everybody's competing now. It's not just one brand like it used to be.” – Uncle Joe (61:46)
• China Factor:
  • China’s market clout is massive for athletes.
  • “When those guys go on tours, where they go? China.” – Ochocinco (67:36)

Memorable Moment:
Extended sneaker nostalgia from Ocho and the hosts, about Jordans, Payless, and how “mama started paying that type of money...the lights or gas bill was gonna be off.” (63:31)

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Notable Quotes & Banter Highlights

• On A.J. Brown’s exit:
  • “When someone is not happy someplace, you can't buy them enough. You can't do enough things. When somebody doesn't want to be there, you can't do enough.” – Ochocinco (13:01)
• On Russell Wilson's HOF credentials:
  • “You can have an outstanding career and not be a Hall of Famer, but I don't even know what a Hall of Famer is anymore.” – Ochocinco (46:25)
• On Steph’s Li-Ning deal:
  • “Make me an offer I can't Refuse. And obviously the fact that they had to circle back means that they played with it.” – Joe Thomas (66:25)
• On competitive trash talk:
  • “If Pete and Repeat was on the fence and Pete fell off, who was left?...There it is right again. Repeat.” – Ochocinco (75:39)
• On tough lessons for mobile quarterbacks:
  • “I tell you what. Go ask Mike Vic if he had to do over...Hey, I got down out of the bounds. I took too many unnecessary shots.” – Ochocinco (28:13)

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Segment Timestamps

• A.J. Brown Trade Breakdown: 02:53 – 18:58
• OBJ Returns to Giants/Juju Smith-Schuster: 18:58 – 26:10
• Quarterback Durability & Lessons (Luck, RG3, etc.): 24:21 – 30:26
• Russell Wilson Retires / Hall of Fame Debate: 36:30 – 48:19
• Dak Praises Caleb Downs & Cowboys Outlook: 52:34 – 56:47
• NFL Draft Talk / Dolphins, Bengals, Future QBs: 56:47 – 59:46
• Steph Curry- Li-Ning Deal – Sneaker History: 59:46 – 68:01
• Extended Banter & Trash Talk (Shooting, Golf, Pool): 68:01 – End

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Overall Tone and Style

The conversation was lively, playful, and authentic—filled with inside stories, analogies from both sports and life, and plenty of competitive ribbing typical of athletes who’ve “been there.” The hosts connect football analysis to lived experience, making their takes relatable and engaging for both hardcore fans and casual listeners.

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[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Wow.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, Joe.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yo.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, Nightcap, you know, but anyway, y', all, this A.J. brown thing, I mean, nobody on Nightcap is surprised by this. But anyway, the Eagles are trading A.J. brown to the Patriots for a first round draft pick in 2028 and a 2027 fifth round draft pick. And guess what? The Patriots will receive AJ Brown. A physical is being pended. Hopefully there's not a situation like a Max Crosby situation. There was reports, I don't know how true it is, that Jerry Verse had reached out to Max Crosby. You saw that. How do you get, how you get that straight for Sydney? By waiting until June 1, the Eagles can now split Brown's $40 million salary cap charge between 26 and 27. GM Hyde Roseman said. I think that he just felt for his family at this stage of his career, it was something that he was desiring and, and that he was looking forward to. In all of our conversation, he was very, very positive about his experience in Philly. Just felt like going forward here, that was not something that he preferred. Hey, Oo I will let you. I mean, I will let you say oo told you so.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, a lot of people, obviously we said it when the season was still going. We talk about early in the season. Yeah, we talk about, we talk about October, you know, around November, when things weren't going well. He was still upset, obviously, having conversations with the owner and there were still problems right on the field. You can see the frustration lingering going into year two of having same said problems. The problem with the officer coordinator, the problem with the pre, the problem with the play calling, the, the, the rifts and, and the disconnect, you know, between Jaylen Hurst and A.J. brown, you could see it coming. But a lot of, lot of Eagles fans like, no, it's no problem. You know, we're winning, we're winning. But obviously A.J. brown understanding that, listen, we're winning, but I'm suffering, I'm suffering because I want to contribute to said wins.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Absolutely.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Obviously there were some opportunities late in the season where, you know, the bail, the bail was called and you were called on to make those plays. And he, he didn't do it. He didn't do it. You know, he dropped some balls. So it was time, it was time for this relationship, you know, to, to, to, to, to, to go. To go their separate ways. And I, I said that the best place for AJ Brown to go is to go to a coach that was familiar with him, with him and what he can and can't do. And that would be with Mike Rabel down there in New England.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

And, you know, obviously, now. Now it has happened a lot of people. You. You. You have to replace talent with talent. And by no means are they going to be able to replace A.J. brown. Talent or production right away. I understand they have Mai Lemon, great player in college. Will it be able to transition into the NFL? We don't know yet. I know Mai Lemon looked good when he was in. When he was in. When he was in college. Coming to the NFL is still completely different. This is not a Justin Jefferson. This is not a Jamar chase where you can plug him in play. You know what he going to give you right off the back. I'm sure they'll be able to put him in position to be able to make the plays. Devonte Smith, we. Are they going to do UN for 18 games straight? Wherever. Wherever Slim Reaper, wherever Smitty lines up, we doubling him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Make somebody else.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Everybody else beat us.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Y.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

They got to prove they can get open. They got to prove they can get open. If they don't, it's gonna be. It's gonna be.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hell, yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I'm still. Hey, you know what? I'm still excited for the Eagles. I still had the Eagles. No disrespect to your Cowboys. I. I still have the Eagles winning the NFC East.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Still.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Look, I'm happy. Hey, hey.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I said no disrespect, Joe, all right?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I a.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No disrespect. How they met. Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Let's. That's. Let's un. Over there. You know how he see. Yeah, let's all go over there instigating.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let me ask you a question. Oh, let me ask you this. If somebody say your kid look just like your girl, but your girl ugly as f. What are you saying? If that man. Somebody preface up by saying respectfully. I don't mean no disrespect. How is he saying it?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

He disrespectfully.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I didn't say anything disrespectfully. The Eagles are still the Eagles. They're just.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I'm saying, how you so sure, Ocho, that they gonna be so great without AJ Brown? I'm happy for AJ you know what I mean?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

It's hard when one of your best players are disgruntled.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You know what I mean? You. You ain't gonna get the best out of him. This is what he wanted. He wanted an opportunity to. To get back to playing and being that top receiver.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

He want to put up them Numbers man.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

That's what AJ well, he ain't out there trying to be no pedestrian. Hey, let him. You just fly up. Now, now, now, now. He ain't out there for no wind sprint. That man wanna. He want touchdowns and yards.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Can I. Can I tell you why I believe they still gonna be, you know, a top contender? When they still, for one, they still have Saquon Barkley for one, the head coach is Sirianni. For two, they have a new officer coordinator in Sean Manion. Yeah, look at where he come from. If I'm not mistaken, uncle, he's coming from the Green Bay packers, right? He coming. He coming from that tree of the Green Bay packers creativity. Having receivers knowing what to do with put him in different positions to be able to make the plays. Not being as predictable as Pula's offense was last year. The fact that uncle and I could watch the Eagles game and tell you exactly what routes AJ Brown was running based on his alignment, based on what side of field, field he was on, based on down the distance. It was too predictable. Too predictable. If we can predict it and we sitting at home, imagine what the goddamn players can do that have watched field all week and playing the game against the Eagles. The.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Ooh, if they got eight in the damn box on the Eagles and you making hurts throw the ball. Damn. He got to make some plays, bro.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I mean, he gonna make him. He gonna make him. He's gonna be all right. He's gonna be better this year. He gonna be better this year. Listen, they got Hollywood Brown, they got Makai Lemon, obviously. They have Slim Reaper and devontae Smith. They're going to be all right. The one thing I want, Jalen Brown. I'm talking about Jalen Brown. Jalen hurts to be able to do is to be able to trust his eyes and his anticipatory skills and letting the ball go. Not waiting until receivers are wide open and then throwing it. Trusting yourself and throwing them open. That. That's pretty much it. Outside of that, I think the Eagles are still going to be very, very good because they still got Saquon. That offensive line is still one of the best in the league, if not the best, and they're going to be fine. Makai Lemon is going to have to hit that learning curve and hit the ground running. He gonna have to hit the ground running right away.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I just think the thing is, you have to look at. Look how Hertz was brought up playing the quarterback position by not doing what Ocho Joe turning the ball over. Look at him. If dad was his coach in high school, he learned bulk of his career under Nick Saban. When he took over in Philadelphia, what did they say? They ran the football. They ran very safe passes. Now, to try to get him out of that, it's hard. Yeah, because for the better part of his career, you told him to protect the ball. Don't put the ball in harm's way. You don't put the ball in harm's way. We can win. We going to play through our defense. We're going to play behind our running game. It's hard. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I'm saying it's just hard when that's how you've been brought up most of your career.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I agree. I agree.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But I'm. I'm not surprised. I think the thing is what and what we try to give the chat, Joe, when we talk football and the same thing, what you do in basketball is that we try to take the chat inside the locker room and be in sit. And we try to take them in situations that in my 14 years, Ocho, 10, 11 years, your experience in the NBA, what we've seen, what we've been around, not only just the NFL, but in college and in high school. So you're talking about 20 plus years of experience, lived experience. There's a difference. You said you want players, be it whatever, no matter what the sport, when they talk about it, you want them to have played the game, right? We played the game. I'm telling you something. A lived experience. It don't make me no different if AJ degree, If AJ If AJ Brown stays or goes, based on my knowledge and my experience, this is how I believe it's going to end. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Through my personal experience, my humble opinion, this is how it's going to end. Miles Garrett Ocho. I'm just saying for $40 million, they can finish in last place and pay somebody 10 million.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's it. If you win the super bowl and you say, well, that's it. It really wasn't what I thought it was. You lead the team in reception, you lead the team in yards, you go to the Pro bowl and you still ain't nothing else I can do for yo. Ain't nothing else I can do. If you take your. If you buy your girl the most expensive Birkin bag. So you get every one of them. You get the Kelly, you get the Mini, you get the Himalayan, you take.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

You.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, you get a. A G wagon truck. You say, baby, for the next two months, we going to the Maldives, we going to Bali, we going to the Malfea Coast Week, Week 8. And don't buy nothing. And when you get back and she says, you're like, damn, babe, what's wrong?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Nothing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What you supposed to do? Ocho? That's somebody that's just not happy there. That's not saying she can't be happy. She's just not happy there. I'm not saying A.J. brown can't be happy. It just appeared to me he was no longer happy there. And when someone is not happy someplace, If a person not. Doesn't want to be there. Oh, eight. You can't buy them enough. You can't do enough things. When somebody doesn't want to be there, you can't do enough. I ain't telling what somebody told. Again, I try to give you life lived experiences.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And when a person doesn't want to be somewhere, you can't do enough.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Absolutely. Right.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah. I mean, didn't run its course, Uncle Joe. It didn't run his course. So I'm. I'm glad. Glad for both sides. They. They both move on A.J. brown now, now, now in New England with Drake May. You know, Jalen hurts God, Smitty. New officer coordinator, new players, new regime.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Petunia. I mean, Petula. My bad. I said Petunia. I don't know why I said that. My bad. I'm sorry. That smelled.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

It didn't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And that man was terrible.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah. New officer coordinator. Sean. Sean Minion. I think I said it right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I'm excited. I'm excited for the Eagles. I'm excited. Defense still gonna be good.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, so I think he was a quarterback. Didn't he. Wasn't he a quarterback at Oregon State, man?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

He was, Sean. Man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I think so. Wasn't he a quarterback at one point in time? Where'd he go to school? Goddamn. That's O.O. he went to Oregon State. And O don't even know the man.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Right?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I was in college for four months. What you mean?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

My school supposed to know them folk, man? You alumni?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I ain't alumni, Joe. I was there for four months. You acting like I was there for four years, Man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

OJ Talking about, man, I ain't even. I ain't even put my stuff in the dresser. I had a suitcase, man, on the floor, just taking my clothes out.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

That's it, right? Hey, Joe. Joe. I ain't even go to class, Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Damn.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Now, Joe. I was in and out. Why I got. I think I got there in August, but by the time April. April got there, I was gone.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I think, look, Ocho, you said something very interesting. He goes. He goes to a coach that knows him. The thing is that he knows his personality.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Also, he knows brable. Ain't no nonsense. Here's a guy that played. Played at a high level one. When you get to a place, lay out my expect. Tell me what you expect of me. I'm telling you what I expect of you. This is how, hey, I don't have no problem being coached hard.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm gonna come in. I'm gonna be professional. At the. At the very least, I might not be what you thought I was, but I'll always be professional. I ask that you extend me the curtain the same courtesy. I believe in a level of professionalism above all.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And I think. I think because AJ knows him. He knows aj. He knows what make AJ tick. AJ knows what gets on the brable skin. I think it's going to be great. He has a quarterback. He believes that he look not not to say that because at one point in time. O. Joe. Joe. He believed in Jalen. Hurts.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Oh, they put up some good numbers now. Hey, him and Jalen put up some good numbers now. You know, things started to unravel. Year three and four. Wait, they were together, I think four years. Yeah, the tail ended three. And obviously we see how full win him and Drake may go. They're gonna have a good rapport. They're gonna. They're gonna have a good report. He has a nice complimentary set of receivers also that go along with him. Kishan Boute. I forgot who.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Maybe I don't know if he made it four years. Did he. Was he only there three years? Because the first year they went to the super bowl, the next year they didn't. Kansas City. Because Kansas City went back to back. And then the third. Yeah, it's four. He might have been four years. So the first year to go.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

San Francisco, third year. Yeah. Four years he was there. Four years old.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yes. Four. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hold on, hold on. The Patriots just played. They just played in the super bowl, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Yep.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I think they'll get the best out of A.J. bro. You know, you get another chance, you get a different opportunity, an opportunity that you've been looking forward to. You know, they. They should get the best. Aj.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah. They're gonna be all right. They're gonna be all right.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey. Hell.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey. They go, they gonna be all right. And the Eagles gonna be all right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look at this picture. Can you see this picture? Yeah, that's A.J. brown. Now, to the best of my recollection, Nike started making NFL jerseys in 2012. Either A.J. brown is a very, very small 15 year old. I'm just saying. A very, very small fifteen year old. Or this is AI. I'm just saying. O joke. I'll let y' all draw your own conclusion.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

That might, that might be A.I. i don't know. Hey, that's a good one though.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You don't know what's real nowadays. Hell.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, hey. Boy, you can't even tell, so damn.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, another news story. Odell Beckham Jr. Is heading back to where it all started. He was signed today to the New York Giants. Odell spent his first five seasons of his career from 2014 to 2018. He sits number two on the Giants all time receiving list. OBJ hadn't played since 2024. Ojo, ocho.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

ISO, OBJ, Malik neighbors, Jackson, Dart, Cam, Scatterbo. What, what, what are we thinking?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hold on. Didn't they get. Didn't they get juju?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, they signed juju today also. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Juju went there too. Obviously I look at the Odell, the. The bringing Odell in as some, some insurance. He's some insurance. Somebody that's familiar with, familiar with the team in general. Obviously it's a new system, a new quarterback. He's. He's familiar with playing, playing in that organization specifically. How healthy is Malik Neighbors going to be?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

That's what I was going to say, man.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

That's the first thing that comes to mind. How healthy is Malik Neighbor going to be?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Didn't he have a new. Did he have another surgery on that need Ocho?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

He had, he had just had. Got cleaned up that maybe two weeks ago. They just announced if he's not able to go, they're able to use Odell Beckham and juju Smith. Juju Smith's when Juju last name Schuster, you know, and. And diff in different ways to manipulate that offense and put them in different positions to make some of those plays. Being that Malik. Malik Neighbors is your number one. Malik Neighbors is your dog. He can do some of any and everything.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh. So before we go any further than this, remember the Patriots signed Romeo Dobs also. So romeo Dos and A.J. brown and Keisha Bout damn.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, they got a nice little squad. Boy. They got a nice little squad over there now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And you know Steven Randre. Is he there? The Radre Stevens. So the running back, they got a nice little score. They got a Nice little something offensive to cooking now. Go ahead. Go ahead. You saying if. If Malik Neighbors, if he can get back up, if he can come back and be what he was his rookie year.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Oh, man, they're gonna be. They're gonna be.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Slayton. I think Slayton had surgery. Remember Wanda? If I'm not mistaken, I think Wanda Robinson went to Tennessee.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

He went to Tennessee. He went to Tennessee.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now, they did bring over likely tight end from Baltimore.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Obj. Ocho, does he have anything left?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

A little bit. Huh? A little bit. He's not gonna be the obj. We used to see him when he wore 13 with the giants. Now he. He's not gonna be that. But we've. We've seen what he can do. He's. He can make plays. He can make plays. You put him in positions and give him the opportunities to make said plays. He can do what he needs to do. Yeah, he can do what he needs to do.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I think. Hey. Hey. I think he'll be solid, but I don't think neighbors, fellas. I don't know if neighbors are going to be ready to start the season. And my thing is. No, I mean, that's just my gut feeling. Ocho, are you going to wear a guy like Odell Beckham and juju Smith? Are you going to wear those guys down? Because if Malik neighbors ain't going to be there to start here, you're going to have to lean on those guys.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The question that I have, I like

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Odell because he's proven.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But the question, Ojo, he's proven at the end of the day.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What's the number one thing for a receiver? He's gotta get separation. Can Jojo. Can Juju separate? Can OBJ separate? Separate anymore? That's the thing. I don't care. We've seen guys ojo fast, but they don't know how to get separation. We see guys that you look at a guy like Lab McConkey or you look at a guy like Keenan Allen, what can they create? Separation.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Separation.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The question is, can the two guys that we've been talking about the last three, four minutes, can they separate anymore? Oo.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

And think about. Think. Think about this, too. Think about how whoever the officer coordinator is. I'm not sure. I don't. I don't want to butcher anyone's name that is not the officer coordinator for the New York Giants, but if their strengths. Obj, at one point could separate, like. Yeah, I'm not sure if he was able. If he was ever a player where he can just create separation.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You talk about juju, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's not. Never been.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

That's never maybe if, you know, that's not their strength anymore. You put them in positions to be able to get them open. There are many things you can do to. To get them open. You can scheme them open, you know, you know, put them in motion their way. There are ways around that where you can hide some of the things that they're not good at anymore because of age and because of injuries.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Matt Nagy is the offensive coordinator for the Giants. Ojo, remember Matt Nagy was with Kansas City.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, I like, I like Nagy. See nothing about that. You know, he's stealing some of them concepts from over there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, but we got the players, those concepts.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hello.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I can put you. I can put you in a nascar. You ain't gonna beat the guys that do that for a living around that damn track. And we'll give you the same car. They got 850 horsepower burning that beauty. Burning that same kind of that high power gas.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, but you know, you know what I do? Hey, Joe and I this give OBJ a chance to prove everybody wrong though. If Malik Neighbors is not able to go, can you steer the ship? Can you keep the ship afloat until neighbors comes back?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, just don't.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, you know, you know how exciting Jackson dart is.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, he better learn. Hey, you know, you know, you know what's scared about get down or he gonna stay? He's staying. He spent more time in concussion protocol and in the damn tent than he do in the huddle. And he was talking about, oh, that's the, that's the firing, the passion. I don't want that kind of. I don't want that kind of fire and passion with my quarterback taking shots like that. Ocho, you ain't gonna last long. I know a guy that they said the same thing about. Oo, that's passion. I love the way he played. He played about five years and he retired. Andrew, look. Yeah, yeah. And Jackson dart ain't no damn. Andrew look.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Nah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, boy. Andrew said, I'm giving.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Exactly. They broke it. Go back. I tell you what. Go back and look at the game he played on a Sunday against the Broncos. That was the beginning of the end.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Go watch that game and watch the hit that he took it. They won. They won the battle. They lost the war. You don't want your quarterback taking those shots. Cam Scatterable. I love you, boy. You exciting to watch. I love your game. Passion. But Bro, all you got to do is look at Earl Campbell. Go look at Earl. That ain't. That ain't the way to do it. It's okay. It's okay to put that blink on and get your ass out of bounds.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah. Hey, what Jackson dart hurt last year?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

His head. They beat it till it was soft like a baked potato.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

He got a couple concussions. He got.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He had OO he done listen to oo. OO I love that for my. I love my. I love my quarterback.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, I like a. A Unc. He played different, bro. He played different. I. I wish he would protect himself a little bit more, but, man. Hey, Joe Jackson dark going to the New York Giants gave fans a reason. He put bus in the seats.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I agree with you. I thought they did a hell of a job last season.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, look at bad. Hey, because you have to understand, Joe, once that quarterback leaves the pocket, he's not afforded the protection of the pocket.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So I would treat his ass like a running back. Oh, you want to be a running back, huh? Oh, you Derek Hendry now.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Okay, he be trying. He be trying to dip on the DB sometime.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Be funny.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Come on. Come on, Jackson. Step out of bounds, man.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, man, y' all know you're young and rambunctious, man. You know, hey, trying to get it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They're not the Mario coins out your ass.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, you learn. You learn quick. Now,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

you get mad. Don't get mad. What's your name? Nyc. Ct. Nyc. Talk about. Oh, just be talking. How you talking about? Just talking. I'm telling you how the guy got hurt. Don't get mad. Cause I'm telling the truth. Everybody in the chat. No, I'm telling the truth. Ain't no just talking. I said this in the preseason. I said, boy, you asking for it. I know how guys look. I know how guys treat the quarterback when he runs, because that's the only time I'm gonna get a chance to knock your ass out.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Did y' all see how they hit Cam when Cam ran the football?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Did you see Andrew Luck? Think about it. What? Andrew, the projection. Andrew Luck was on. They'll break your spirit

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

quick. They. They. They broke Andrew Luck's spirit.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I tell you what. Go ask Mike Vic if he had to do over.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

That's why. That what I was just gonna say.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hell, no. Hey, I got down out of the bounds. I took too many unnecessary shots. Okay, y', all, look. You have to understand, and certain positions, running backs, tight ends, we're used to taking those Licks know, quarterbacks are not used to taking those kinds of licks. Oh, Joe. Because they don't build their bodies up like that.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, you need to stay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You need to stay fluid. You need to be able to throw and rotate so you don't build up big old. Big old traps and shoulders to take some of those thick ass neck.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I get it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

He get. Hey, hey, hey, hey. He got to be better. He got to be better. I'm sure he didn't learn his lesson.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I know another guy they broke, too. That guy we used to be with, the Commanders.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Daniels.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, RG3.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, RG.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You remember him?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

But that's why. Hey, look, that's why it's hard, bro. Because, you know, RG3 kind of. He was in his own way, you know, he. You know, that man wanted to play. It's hard to keep their ass off the field.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But he wasn't ready to play.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, I know.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I just. The thing is that I try to tell these guys, look, guys, look, I want you to be you, but you have to understand, you got to pick and choose your battles. You can't go to war with everybody and everybody that you think you got an easy win against them, the ones that'll knock your ass out. Now, I'm not telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you. Ooh. Try to tell them what we do. We talk lived experiences. You say, hey, how somebody. How somebody going to give me advice about marriage and they ain't never been married? How's somebody going to tell me how to raise a child and they ain't never had a child? I ain't telling you something Somebody told me that played in the NFL. I'm telling you, lived experiences. OO is telling you lived experiences. Joe is telling you lived experiences. You say that's what you want?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay. Hey, I was tough. I think. I like to think I was tough as wet leather.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Me, too.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Ojo, I'm up.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Out of bounds quick. Hey.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey. When I got older, Joe. Ocho.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I catch that ball, I see him coming, I pull that turf up on me. Hey, I'm up under the turf. Don't you hit me.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, Joe, I was out. I was out there running people over.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Nah, hell, I ain't going.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, I'm just telling you, I was out there running people over.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Joe, man, please.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, Joe, look at the. Look at the show what we got, Ocho. Look what we got. Look what we found.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

That's on The Cowboy man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Come on, man.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Always bringing up this old stuff that don't. Don't mean nothing, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, who he catch that on? Who he catch that on?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Ocho, that's Miss. I think that's Mr. Car.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Used car already came with a hundred thousand miles on it.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Come on, what we doing?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What we doing?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

What we doing?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

See, Joe. That ain't me, Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, but you guilty by association. Here.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Why are you gonna bring.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

What you mean, guilty by association?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, yeah, You. You part of Nightcap. You guilted by association. Yeah, I know you. I know you. You like this type of stuff, too. You know what I mean? Anything going at the Cowboys, I know you talk about pickings and all that, but you like unc. Y' all be low key, hating.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look at the ref reaching in the back pocket. Cause the man. Hell, the man. The reason why OBJ like that. Cause the man pulled him down, tried to pull him down. Look at the ref reaching in the back pocket. Come on, he ain't reaching for no clean ass.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

He reaching for that yellow hanky.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I reached back like, 1 3.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, you see what. Hey,

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

hey, hey, man, come on, bro.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Don't worry about it, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Y'.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

All.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

They go, hey, they're gonna come back to hunt. Y' all doing NFL season two. Watch now.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Joe, I. I've been. I've been rooting for the Cowboys. Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What I do, Joe?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, now what you do?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, Joe, you. Now he making seem like I'm in charge of graphics. But he don't call it with the autographics go up about them new, the grooves and mint condition.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, all that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He'll say nothing about that. But now, all of a sudden, I'm in charge of graphics.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You see what I'm saying now? All of a sudden, I'm in charge of graphics.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

That's okay. First game, we got something for the ass.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, he might make another one of them catches on y'.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

All.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Why? No, no.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

No, no, no. I think. I think he gonna be good, but I don't know.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh Joe, Joe. Russell Wilson is putting a pause on his playing career. The free agent quarterback has accepted an offer to join CBS Sports for its Sunday pre game show, and more. Wilson opening a new chapter in his football career despite having an offer to be the team's backup in 2026. Russ leaves the game with 46, 966 passing yards, 353 touchdowns since. Fifth in passing yards since 2012, only behind Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan. He ranks fourth among quarterbacks in rushing yards, trailing only Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick and Cam Newton. He's a 10 time Pro bowl selection. A super has a Super bowl ring. Ocho. Joe.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm gonna abstain from this. Has he done enough to become a brother in Canton?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Oh, that's a, that's a good call. That's a good call. That's a good question. I mean, listen, the way, the way the hall of Fame has been going lately, I don't know what is a Hall of Famer at this point. So. Joe, you might be better suited to answer that than me.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I'm better suited here. Y' all play the game.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But see, Joe, if I answer, I'm a hater. If I, if I, if, if I say, if I say no, he hating on him. Hey, man, you see, you see how he talk about black quarterbacks? He don't like blacks. He don't like his own self. If I say yes, they go, then they gonna say, damn. You just let anybody in there. You just saying that. Cause he black so I can't win.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, it come, it come with the territory. It come with the territory.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And because then what the headline, Ocho, if I say somebody belongs or don't belong, what's the headline?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Right?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hall of Fame

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

football Hall of Famers, Shannon Sharp, fans, such and such don't belong. Like I gotta vote, y'. All. Hey, I've said a lot of guys belong in hall of Fame. I say to is the first ballot. Y' all ain't listening to me. They had ish. I got to say. I said a lot of guys said yes. I me playing against him on from and going into the room on Wednesday and seeing him circled up there and knowing what we have to deal with. Absolutely. Having played against, to play against Teal. Yeah, we did 97, but he wasn't that to yet. But no. And I, I just got tired. And plus I got tired of people calling me, asking me, bro, you ain't gonna listen to what I say. So you just wanted, you just wanted, you know, have them father and see how many guys you can bounce things off of. Look, 353 touchdowns. That's a lot of touchdowns. 46, 000 yards. That's a lot of passing yards. I think the thing is, the problem that he's running in. Look at the era in which he's playing in the era that he's playing in. Joe, These guys got 60,000 passing yards. They got 400 plus touchdowns. They're Envy. Matt Ryan won an MVP. He didn't win a Super bowl, but he's got 60,000 yards. He's got 400 touchdowns. Philip Rivers. And then you got Lamar coming. You got all these young guys coming that if Josh Allen's going to have. Josh Allen might have 100 rushing touchdowns with 300 passing touchdowns. Ocho.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Right, right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's. I, Like I said, I used to know. I used to think I know what a Pro bowl player was. I did. I thought I did. And then all of a sudden, it started taking guys five, six, seven times. I say, I give up. I don't know. I don't know what a Pro bowl is. I think based on his size, I think what Drew Brees has done. Drew Brees gave the undersized quarterback hope. Prior to Drew, they weren't giving guys like that size. I mean, you had a Doug Flute here and there, but then all of a sudden you get Drew Brees, and Drew Brees is going to Pro Bowls. He's throwing for 4,000 yards. He's winning a Super Bowl.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

And he said, hold on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now you get a Kyler Murray. Now you get Russell Wilson before. And now you get a Kyler Murray. Now you get a Baker Mayfield. You get guys like that. And so now all of a sudden, there's like, you know what? You ain't got to be prototypical. You ain't got to be 6, 3. You ain't got to be 6, 4, 6, 5. You can be under. Can you play the game? Can you process the information? And I thought Russ did that. There was a stretch there. He was as good as we had in the NFL.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, yeah, he was as good.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look, I. I get it. You know, everybody's going to tie everything that he's ever done. Ocho. They're going to tie it to the Legion of Boom. We understand that. That comes along with the territory. But there was a stretch that Russell Wilson was as good. His improvisational skills. He was a virtuoso. He was a virtuoso, and unfortunately he ended up. He was a guy that thought the grass was green on the other side and he wanted out of Seattle. I ain't breaking no News, he wanted a new contract. He wanted out of Seattle and Seattle thought his skills were diminishing. They were seeming to be unwilling to give him that contract. He goes to Denver and it, it was downhill from there. He had two uneventful years in Denver. He goes to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. They were uneventful. Did he go to the jets or with the Giants?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Giants.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He had offer. Yeah,

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

he was.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Like I said, man, the man went to. The man went to 10 Pro Bowls. Now, obviously, oh, now, you know, we know the Pro Bowl. Ocho, they taking the 17th alternate.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

It ain't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Maybe back when we went. Ocho, you didn't get past the second alternate. You didn't get. Oh, man, they taking guys, they taking 11th and 12th alternates because nobody wants to go anymore. Right? Go ahead, Ocho, what you want to say.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

No, no, you're right. I was just agreeing with you. I was agreeing with you. That's why, that's why. When it came to. When you asked the hall of Fame question, based on the way it's been going the past few years, I, I really don't know what they consider a Hall of Famer is, especially when it comes to the quarterback position. As great as Russell Wilson played. I, I just, I mean, I just don't know. I just don't know. Because the people in positions of power, they have their own set of rules. You saw what they did to, to. You saw what they did with the. Bill Belichick.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

At this point, it's almost without disrespecting them, they're making a mockery of it with them having. What's the, what's the word? Looking, Abusing their power, using the power they, that they do have for people that belong in their. Case closed. There's really no arguments about it. I mean, come on. What they did to Bill was. That was egregious. That was ridiculous.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, and I, I think Russell Wilson, you know, starting his new analyst career, that, that, I think that's probably going to be the best thing for him, Uncle Ojo, because I don't, I, I don't think he wants to be a backup, which is probably, you know, how this pretty much came about. And I think he's going to run with this. I think he'll be pretty good. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because these jobs don't come available often. I mean, because I thought about going back for year 15, Joe. I was, I was. I mean, I had a great year. 14 over 700 yards receiving, had eight touchdowns. But this jobs don't become available every year

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

And. And guess what?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm ready to retire. Is this job gonna be waiting for me? We're. We're not getting. I'm not getting no situation like Brady got. Fox said you gone back. We'll hold his job as long as we need to.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Ain't getting that. Let me get on up out of here. Deuces.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You're absolutely right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Deuces. I. I just. I. That situation. O. Show everybody talk. Till this day, people still ask me what you think. The Seattle. Why. Why didn't they run Marshall? Bro, I. I'm not even. I didn't even play in Seattle. Yo. I wasn't there. But y' all want me to tell you the same thing you thinking? I can't believe they threw that when you got beast mode in the backfield. I can't believe it. I'mma run him again. Then I'mma call timeout, because at the end of the day, oo. You know, once they press that slot receiver, that under ain't going to be there every. Every time, because where can he go? You got to realize he's on the damn goal line. He can't go nowhere. Once Brandon Brown is in the slot and he does this, it's over. Because guess what? You don't make Malcolm Butler bubble. In order for that to work, you got to make him bubble. You got to make him go over the top. O. Joe. Joe. If you don't make him go over the top and he get a beeline, he gonna intercept him at the point. Now, what was the most remarkable thing is that he caught it. He caught that ball with it being as thrown as hard as it was. Ocho at that. At that close range. That's a db. That's not a receiver. Think about it. He's running towards the ball. We see this a lot when guys run a dig rod or run a comeback. Ocho. And you coming back towards the ball. The ball's coming and you're coming. That ball gets up on you quick. That's a dp. And he catches it. And he hold. He could have easily knocked it. It could have popped up, went out the end zone. It could have hit the dirt. He caught it. He caught it.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

His timing was impeccable.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And you know what?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Impeccable timing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The Seattle Seahawks were never the same.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Nope.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That ended the Seattle Seahawks potential dynasty. And they start breaking it up piece by piece. They didn't believe in Pete anymore, and they didn't believe in Russ. They really never liked Russ. Because if you listen to some of what they had to say is that Russ got treated differently, he behaved differently. I don't know how many from a team perspective, I think some of the offensive guys. But if you go. Just go back and listen to what some of the defensive guys had to say, right? It was never the same. It was. It was never the same. It was never going to be the same. But I think he's had a phenomenal career. And I think the thing is, sometimes Ocho and Joe, you know what happens? Well, if the guy didn't go to the pro, if you don't go to the hall of Fame, he had a terrible career. No, damn. Everybody's not meant to go to the their sports hall of Fames. It is okay. You can have an outstanding career and not be a Hall of Famer, but I don't even know what a Hall of Famer is anymore. I thought I did. Hell, Derek Thomas had to wait five times. So I don't know. I don't know. You can't tell me a better pure pass rusher. From the time Derrick Thomas got in the league in 1989 until he left the league in 99, he played 11 seasons. You tell me a better pure pass rusher than Derek Thomas. Defensive rookie of the year, 20 and a half sacks. Had a game with seven sacks in the game. I think he had another game where he had six sacks in the game. There is not a better pure pass rusher than Derrick Thomas from 1989 to 1999. And the man had to wait five times. I'm an individual. I see him all the time.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

He raising hell over there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man, you better block. You better. Hey, you better know where he's at at all times. Yeah, all times. We used to have hell raises in that division. You had Derek, you had Neil Smith, you had Leslie o'. Neal. Go back and chat. Go look up Leslie o' Neal for the charges. And Howie Long. Greg Townsend. Go look up Greg Townsend and Howie Long. I know y' all know Howie Long because he's on television. Howie Long used to raise hell. Hey, how do you raise hell? Grant Townsend was not to be F with. Yeah, I'm telling. The first time I go to the Coliseum, man, I'm going. We walk in the locker room, man. Greg Town is sitting on his helmet smoking a cigarette. Hold on. Is this for real? Hello, man, look here. We had some hell raises. We had a Rufus Porter. I don't know if you remember Rufus Porter, Boogie Bryant from Seattle. Tez was in that division. Oh, we had some hell raises in that division.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

potentially calling a career, but Caleb Downs. Off season hype continues following the safety's arrival in Dallas. Jerry Jones had the most notable quote this off season compared down to leadership ability to those of Dak Prescott. Dak didn't reject the comparison when asked today. Just honestly, I can say in just a month or whatever, I've been around the kid and watching the kid. You see Daxy Dak, the old man. He called him by the kid now.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I take it as a compliment when those comparisons come around, how professional he is, how calm he is, quiet yet confident. It's contagious. You feel it. He's a man who's sure who he is is. When you're not that way in this business, you know, you can speak up and speak out. You can say things you believe at age doesn't really matter because you know you're doing the right thing. O Joe, Joe, let me go to you. This your team, Joe. You like that?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah. Yeah. You need that type of leadership on this side of the ball, bro. Hey, if we've been lacking defensively, we need somebody who will come in, step up, you know, and be that lead on. On that side of the ball. Be that orchestrator to where, man, you can enhance what we're trying to do. I mean, hell, that's. That's. That's been our Achilles here over the years, fellas. We can't stop no damn body. We gonna fix that this year.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know about all that.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, we gonna fix that this year. You see what's going on? Yeah, y'.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Y' all can play crazy all y' all want to, but y' all see what's going on. We getting it right over there. The boy getting it right. Y' all see it?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Okay, I like it. I like Caleb Downs, too, now. Yeah, he nice.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

You think he gonna start, Joe?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah. Y' all think he gonna start?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He's starting now.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

He gonna start. He gonna start.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah. Yeah, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But I. I got some concerns about Darren Bland. Daron Bland, he hadn't been the same.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

You don't like the Ron, but he had. He had injuries, huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Is he over him now?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, he better be this year because he's the. He's the main focal point.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

He's your guy. He's your number one.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

He gonna have to show up this year. We gonna need him.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, Joe. He don't have no choice, Joe. They going at him. They go. They going at him

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

and let's go. Let's go, baby.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I need it.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yo.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Y' all need it. I just hope y', all, you know, because I don't want you to be on here, be sad. Me and Ocho happy every week. That ain't. That ain't.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

That ain't fun. I know damn well Ocho ain't gonna be happy. You may be a little happy because you gonna be flip flopping between the Ravens and the Broncos.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

You know, hey, Joe, you know, I'm gonna be happy, Joe. No, I'm gonna be happy for one, the Dolphins, they. They in the rebuild, they need about three years. So I. I know any win the Dolphins get, I'm. I'm all for it, but I don't expect them to do that. Well, my Bengals, with the way we just drafted.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

What we did in the off season.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Well, I would raise hell on here. I raise hell, but we don't. We don't. We don't act accordingly and play up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But here's the thing, though. What? He won't tell you, Joe, but when his guppies beat my Broncos score, 70 on him, he. He came out here hooting a holler. What. What happened? 70.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I remember.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I thought you was a bingo. You know, I'm born, I'm Liberty City. I can walk to the stadium.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, I'm from Dade county, boy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on. You didn't play for the Guppies? I said, I at least played for the Ravens. I won a Super bowl for the Ravens. We what, led him in receiving one year. I said, I can't. I can't root for the Ravens. Nah, you a Bronco. Everybody know you a Bronco.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

What's up?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, Joe, I got a check that says Miami Dolphins on there. You hear me?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Say it's about $6 million. I still got it. You hear me?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

So I might not have played it down, but I got to check, you know, with Stephen Ross name at the bottom of it. So, therefore, even though I didn't play, I am still a part of that team not know I messed up. You know I messed up. But Joe, that's, that's my childhood team, you know, growing up.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, Ocho, Ocho, you know them Dolphins, they probably ain't gonna win but about two games because they trying to get old boy.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, I give him, I give him. You know what? They trying to get Jeremiah Smith to come.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Matter of fact, I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be mad if they don't win no games as long as we get Jeremiah Smith. But Archie Manning going number one. So that's the problem.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Even if the governors get the number one pick, they gonna take Archie over, huh? They just got, they just got

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Malik. Malik Willis.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah. I don't know, boy, it's. You know how that NFL work, boy.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

They ain't passing up Germ. They ain't gonna pass up Jeremiah Smith.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

But he's not going past two, Joe. He not going.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

He from, he from Florida.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If Miami get the number one he right here.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

From right here.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But the thing is though, Joe, without a quarterback, Jeremiah Smith can't influence the games. You gotta have that guy. You gotta have him.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, but I don't think, I don't think Malik Willis, I don't think he terrible. I don't think so. I don't think he gonna be.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But I'm just telling you, when teams have an opportunity to draft a quarterback and there's one rated high. We had the conversation with about when Chicago and they traded that pick. They traded what ended up being to Carolina.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, this.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Guess what I was like, they not passing that up. They taking a quarterback. They had Justin Field. So they take it. A quarterback. They're not. You think they about to pass up two first round picks. Two number one overall picks in the quarterback position and you think they're gonna pass? No, sir. There's zero chance that happens. But hey, the guys, he's. He's phenomenal. The downs kid, he's phenomenal. I liked him at Alabama, but Coach Saban left and he's like, nah, I, I can't. What I, I'm not going to be able to accomplish what I wanted to get accomplished. Goes to Ohio State, wins the national championship one year, wins the Thorpe Award, is the premier defensive back in all of football. He's a phenomenal player. I think he was Big Ten defensive player of the year. He's special. The next set. The next segment is brought to you by Tommy John where comfort is the new power move. Steph Curry made a power move signing a 10 year endorsement deal with the Chinese company Li Ning officially ending a recruitment process following his departure from Under Armour. Part of. Part of Steph's ultimate decision was about his comfort while testing the shoes of two leaning signature athletes, Jimmy Butler, his fellow warriors teammate, and Dwayne Wade. Lee Ning plans to build a Curry brand stores in the United States and in China. Joe, thoughts of signing. Leaning over bigger brands like Nike and Adidas.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Leaning. Obviously they paying that cheddar, but they gotta. They make a pretty good damn shoe. Ojo. Yeah, they do make a pretty good shoe. And the fact that they're over there in what, China?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You know, I don't think. I don't think. I don't think the brands here in the States, meaning like the Nikes and the Adidas and. And things of that sort, I don't think they really doing too great. And I think Lee Ning is. Is actually. They. They've been great over the years, bro. And to get Steph Curry to get him a signature shoe, a signature brand to where he can sign these other guys under his brand, I think is what leaning is trying to do.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And I'm not so sure other brands was going to give him that opportunity. Nike is very conscious about that, really, if you think about it. Who's up under Nike? Jordan.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They had. LeBron hadn't been able to do that yet because LeBron said, I want. I went to Nike about trying to sign Luca.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Jordan.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

KD had yet. And maybe KD doesn't want that, but I know LeBron wants to sign athletes under his. Under his.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And he hasn't been able to do that. And I'm not so sure Nike is trying to do. I don't think they want another situation like Jordan where they giving up 4, 5, $600 million a year now.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

And they gonna go young. They getting these young guys. Curry got about three, four years left to where he's probably gonna be playing. They going younger, man. These. These top brands going to get these young cats and they gonna build them up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But you also, Joe, these guys are not like when we came out, Nike was everything. But you see Cooper flag, he went to New Balance. You see guys going to Puma guys doing sketchers. Guys, look, hold on. How much you offer Nike New Balance? How much you say you got, man? Give me that New Balance. Hey, let me get that Puma.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, hey. Them folks writing checks long as Peace street, they ain't playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So them. Hey, hey, hey. Them folks going with all these brands The New Balances, the Pumas and all that. Yeah, you're right. Everybody's competing now. It's not just one brand like it used to be. Nike or Adidas. You got so many other brands, bro, who are competing. And they getting a lot of these, a lot of the star talent. They're getting them early, too, so they can build it and build it and build it. Man, y' all know this thing all about money, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Bro, why are we playing you? 5, 6 million, and then here come new battle. Gonna give you 15, 20. Come on now, let's be real. And you know, hey, our life, like childhood, growing up, Nike was everything. Was that Jordan shoe drop in 85. It was a rap. It was awful. I ain't. I ain't even think about no Converse no more. I ain't think. Look, I, I, I had a. I had a Converse because everybody had come. I had the weapons. Magic Johnson, Lab bird had the Dr. J's. Yeah, they were heavy as hell. Had the city with Pony Spud Web had. But, boy, look. Yeah, man, let me go get that 100 shoe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

It took. It took me a little while before I get them. Before I get them Jordans. I ain't gonna lie to you. Hey, I was in Payless with my mama, XJ9 hundreds. They look like Jordans, but they weren't no damn Jordans, Joe. Yeah, man. Yeah, when I was, you know, if

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I saw, you, know what I would

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

hit you with, boy?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

What are those?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I whooped your ass, too, huh? I'd have whooped your ass.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got them Jordan twos, man. My mama waited in line. I paid a hundred dollars. My mama said, boy, you went away these shoes till you 25.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, they 100. Back then, for some shoes was a lot of money, bro. Hey, look, I'm gonna tell y' all something. When my mama started paying that type of money, 120 for them, for them Nikes, them Jordans, them Webers, them Barkleys. Cause we were getting team shoes. You best believe that the following couple weeks, them lights of that gas bill was gonna be off. One of them gonna be off. I promise you. One of them gonna be off.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hell, yeah. Dang. Oh, man, I got them shoes in the day I hit them feels, I started buying my own. I wonder. Hey, I wasn't about. Hey, my sister tell you I spent all my whole check on one shirt, one pair of Lee jeans, one pair of Calvin Klein, one, man, my whole damn check. And by that time, Joe, I had started making like 16 to 20 a day. Yeah, you couldn't hit Shane ass with a Red Apple. Man, I would hail when I will. I had an eyes on shirt. Eyes. Eye built eyes are socks to match. And Darksiders. Jake, if y' all might.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, my age.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Y' all know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Had them Calvin clowns, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Had some Sergio Rigolettos. Man, I would. Yeah. O'. Shea. Hey, with doing it.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, I know what you mean. It didn't. That didn't happen to me, unc, until I got to. Until I got to college. Boy, I started getting that pale grand uncle Ojo. That 2900 or something. I sent my. Send my mama by 11. 1200.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, the fellas don't see me in the cafeteria for about two, three weeks. I'm not free. I'm out here balling. I'm out here balling. Listen, I done bought me two, three pair of shoes. I done ran all that little money out, huh? What?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, y', all, we got that little work study. We got. We got. We didn't get. We got work study, Joe. But you had to work. But, you know, you had to get a little job. Maybe you like stuff. I work for Coach Davis.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Davis. I was the only one that didn't really have to work. I. I come over there. Yeah, my homework. I said, coach Davis, I ain't gonna lie to you, Coach. I said, I ain't gonna do no work. I said, I'm not gonna go, baby. Hey, home. I need you to go get my. My dry cleaner. I said, coach, I ain't going to do that. I said, coach, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna go put no gas in no truck. I'm gonna come here, I'm gonna do my homework. He said, all right, home. Damn. Don't tell nobody else. Yeah, I don't work enough, but I ain't trying to do. Hey, I'm trying to do as little as possible. I'm gonna get that 400. Now, some people, well, you ain't got to work, but you got to shoot me a hundred. Man, I wish I might. You ain't get but 400, I shoot

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

you a hundred, right? Right? Nah, nah. Yeah. Hey, I know what you mean, boy, but I've been there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I thought maybe Nike would circle back, but, Joe, I see your point. Them, boy, they like, hold on, Steph got two, three more years.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, they. Nike shouldn't have had the circle back. Yeah, they shouldn't have had you. Make me. Make me an offer. I can't Refuse. And obviously the fact that they had to circle back means that they played with it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But look here.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Well, I bet, I bet money though,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Joe Ocho and they gonna give him things. They're gonna create a golf, a golf brand. Remember Nike got out of the Golf?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, they, you remember they used to have irons and have all that stuff. Now they do a little bit of apparel, but I think Steph trying to go all in on the night on the, the Golf and stuff.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, yeah, I, I bet, I bet Nike did offer him some, but it wasn't to his liking. You know, I bet you Lee Ning came with a sweet deal like Oxy. You know, he's super in the golf. I bet you're gonna come out with a golf line and all that. But being able to have the Curry brand and to be able to sign guys under that, I bet you that was probably a. A deep value into what?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I really believe it, Joe. I absolutely believe that's it. Yeah, I believe that's it.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

And leaning on today. And leaning gonna get it done.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Oh, yeah, leaning

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

that Chinese market is you. Because when those guys go on tours, where they go, Joe, you see James starting with Adidas. When you used to see Resty Soul, Kobe Bryant, you see Lebron, you see D. Wade, you see all these guys where they go? China, Thailand, Thai. Oh, yes, that age. Yep.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

And then people, them people are wearing them shoes over there, bro. Yeah. So smart move.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Congratulations, Steph. Senior boy, player size 13.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, I need 16. My boy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got these, I got these Steph Curries. So I have a whole lot of these.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Which you ain't never bought. You ain't never got a pair of under armor. Steph Curry.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

He signed, he signed him for him.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, did he?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Damn, that might be worth something, huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Joe, I mean, Ocho might not do, but I put these on, Joe, I'm telling you. Now

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

you what you telling me now what?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I might have these on when I shoot that three point competition against your ass.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, hey, hey. Well, bring. Bring it on out. Bring it on out.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

But Joe gonna lose twice. He gonna lose to me and he gonna lose to you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

As a matter of fact, I'm gonna put the shoes up and the ball.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I ain't want it to look like I was robbing you, but that's what I was. I was gonna suggest that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Why about. I think I go chill again and call it a day.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You You, I'm gonna tell you to compete, you're gonna have to at least go 8 for 10. For show, though, you got to go 8 for 10. Because if I miss one, it's gonna be luck.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm putting. That's how confident I am, baby. Look at this chat. That's a Louis Vuitton basketball official, NFL Louis Vuitton ball. And I'm gonna put up the Steph Curry shoes that I personally got up after he, they beat the Lakers. I took him off his feet. He signed them.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, Chad. Chad. I already ordered a little ring for that ball to see. I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put it right behind me. I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put it right up there. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You ain't gonna get it.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I got the flow. I got the little floating ring. It's gonna mount to the wall right here. I'm gonna mount it to the wall.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, who saying that song? Never gonna get it. Never gonna get it. Never gonna get it.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, hey. It's my, it's my baby. It's my baby birthday.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Happy birthday.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah. In two minutes, she turned 11 and she graduate tomorrow.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay, graduating on your birthday. That's what I'm talking about.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Is that the one that played tennis? Whoa.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

No, that's. That's her sister.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Okay. Okay. Congratulations.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Congratulations. Enjoy. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

And matter of fact, I ate a chat. I'm gonna give y' all her cash app. And everybody sent her a thousand dollars.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You, you gonna be pretty good if you said 10.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Okay, 10. Matter of fact, let me, let me see how much y' all love my child.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, man, that's it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know, Ash. How much this basketball cost? Don't you worry about it, Joe. Cause you won't get it.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You know, it don't matter how much it cost. It's gonna look way better over here.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I can't let you do it.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, Joe, you gonna look. Hey, Joe. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe just be talking and don't realize what he got in.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, you must be. I keep telling you, I was born in 68. I came out of good stock, not Woodstock.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, what, what that mean?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Ocho on Stockx, this basketball is 4, 500. Joe, you never gonna see the date. You never gonna see this, man.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Please. I can't. Hey, I can't wait for it to be posted up right here.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Definitely ain't winning.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You see that rotation joke?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, yeah, I got, I, I, I, I see it, but I got sidestep.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And hit a three on you.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, no, no, no, sir. No, sir. I can't wait for this here, boy.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, look.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, you, Ocho. You. You and Ultra already know. I made believers out of y' all already. I hate that to keep doing y' all like because I really like both of y'. All. Y' all really. Both of y' all really some cool dudes. But I have to. I have to. I have to make a point to set an example with you boys, man.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

And you're not gonna say nothing? No, you ain't gonna say nothing here, Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, okay. All right.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I'm letting you know. I'm letting you know right now.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Would you let me know?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

You know what? I'm done talking. I don't even want to talk about it.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I just want.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I just want to play anywhere from 6,000 to 26, 000. So I got. I got, I guess 12,000, 12, 14, maybe 12 to 20 something thousand dollars worth of merchandise that you not gonna get. Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, thank you in advance.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, thank you for what?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Thank you in advance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna take that off your hand, man. I already know that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I can't.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

We already know that. We already know that. Hey, hey, hey. And I want my. I want my rematch in the cornhole, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That thing wasn't even close, though. Joe.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

No, no, don't do that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You want a rematch on golf, we go to the real golf course. If you want. We go to Top Golf.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You can't. You only dial you and you. You got you. You. Ocho got lucky with that just a little pudding thing. Y' all really can't. Y' all really can't beat me in golf neither.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Oh, my goodness.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You started all this talking. I wasn't even talking about no golf. I wasn't even. You started this.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, when we. When we going outside? That's all I want to know. When we going outside?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Would you wanna. Where you wanna. We gotta find something because, look, we taking a vacation. We're gonna take a two week vacation and we come. When we come back. We might come back outside.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hercules.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, now we talking. Hey, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be in hella shape too.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Cause, you know, we got dark. We got. What you call them

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

pool.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I already. No poo. I just. I said, hey, I'm a combination of Emperor Reyes and Earl Strickland. That's. I'm. I'm a combination.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, come on, man. Come on, man. Come on. I'm trying to be cool. I'm trying to be cool. Y' all don't listen, boy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay, wait, hey, I'm sorry, Joe. I mean, I mean, if you just, if you want the ball, I'll give you the ball, but you can't get.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

No, no, no, no, no, no. When I beat you for it, I'm gonna feel better about having it. And then Chad know. Chad know that. You know, boy, that damn ISO ain't nothing to be played with. The way he whoop oo ass, the way he done went over there and whoop un ass.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, let me. Hey, Joe, you, you're not getting past me. So your, your best bet is to play un first. That's your best bet.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Huh? Get your confidence up before you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm so confident, I put the shoes that Steph signed to me up. He can't beat me in a three point competition. Step the greatest.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

If you just want to give me the shoes, I understand, but because that, that, that's basically what you're doing. You know what I mean? And I.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, hey.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I like you. Okay. I hate to beat you down like that, man, but I'm gonna have to show you. I'm gonna have to make you a believer. Okay, I see what's going on. I see what's going on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You gotta make me a believer.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You and Ocho. Y' all don't think Fat meat grease. I'm gonna show y' all ass though.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It ain't.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah. Then I'mma hit that. Hit that curry that shimmy curry be doing

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

you. Hey, you gonna hit that for the

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

first time since 2000. What you say? Oo?

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I say Joe gonna hit that Antoine Walker like he hit that three.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, he already know it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm just telling. I, I. Hey, I figure I go 7, 7 for 10. 8 or 10 is easy. Easy money. Cuz I'm a cor. That corner three, that's me.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, I made a living off of that corner three.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Joe

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

ain't going no less than nine for ten. I'm just, I just want you to

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

know, once I, I'm g. Let you go first, cuz once I get that groove, I'mma tell you like this. If Pete and Repeat was on the fence and Pete fell off, who was left? There it is right again. Repeat. If Pete and Repeat was on the fence and Pete fell off, who would level Joe and Ocho? Repeat. I'm just letting you know, Joe. I'm just letting you know.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

All right, all right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't really like to get involved because I Don't like the competitive juices to come out, but I. Yeah, you do.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah. Yeah, I. I get it. I get it. I understand. I understand. I understand.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Ojo. I'm having out there looking like Chad. They're gonna be looking like.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, that's what I told him yesterday.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Hey, hey, one thing about me, boy. I'm fighting back now. Yeah. I don't know what the hell y' all think this.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Hey, what's the point of fighting back if you ain't. Can't make. You can't land no punches.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

You seen. You seen me go berserk after you and Unc talked stuff to me after that first. After that little golf. Y' all seen me go berserk. You see how I lost my mind? I lost my mind. Couldn't even control myself no more, huh? Don't y' all get me started.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Don't worry about it, man.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

I'm trying.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We get outside when we get them. We get them darts, we get disc golf. Hey, we. Like I said, we got a lot of stuff to do. We got the axe throw.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Oh, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. It's like taking care of your baby.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I already know you're not gonna beat me fishing so you could get that up. That is a rap.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I'm telling you. I just look like this. I'm a bad mo foe. I'll just let you know.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

No, no, you're not, Joe. No.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

All right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay. Like I say, I just need to know, are we fishing for whatever bite. Are we going catching a particular type of fish? That's all I need to know.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I don't give a damn When I throw it out there, I'll give it. If I catch a snake, I bet I catch something. I bet you

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

this man going out there fishing for garfish and all kind of foolishness.

[Joe (Joe Thomas)]

Come on, man.

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

I'm fishing with the hell bite. What's biting today?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What's biting?

[Uncle Joe (Joe Thomas or Joe Budden-like figure)]

Yeah, okay.

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