Nightcap Hour 1: Giannis Has to EMBRACE the VILLAIN Role + OKC TRADES Aaron Wiggins to Hawks + TWolves Will ONLY Trade Jaden McDaniels for Jokic OR Giannis

Summary

Nightcap Hour 1: Giannis Has to EMBRACE the VILLAIN Role + OKC TRADES Aaron Wiggins to Hawks + TWolves Will ONLY Trade Jaden McDaniels for Jokic OR Giannis

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (Ocho), Joe “ISO Joe” Johnson
Date: June 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe "ISO Joe" Johnson for a candid, spirited conversation about major NBA offseason storylines. The trio dives into the rumors swirling around Giannis Antetokounmpo’s potential exit from Milwaukee and what it means for his legacy, critiques the Thunder’s salary-driven player moves (with Aaron Wiggins headed to Atlanta), and unpacks why the Minnesota Timberwolves consider Jaden McDaniels virtually untouchable (except for a superstar trade). As always, the hosts mix deep basketball analysis, locker-room banter, personal experience, and sharp one-liners.

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Main Topics & Discussion Points

1. Giannis Antetokounmpo: Facing the “Villain Role”

(04:48–16:59, 33:07–42:42)

• Giannis’ Situation in Milwaukee

  • ESPN reports Giannis doesn’t want to leave Milwaukee the city, just the Bucks team.
  • The hosts poke fun at him: "He can play for the Brewers, play for the Packers, or... get the hell out of Milwaukee." (Shannon, 07:58)
  • Softening the Blow: Joe notes Giannis is already priming fans for his departure.
    • “All he doing is softening the blow ... He just doesn’t want to be the bad guy. That’s why he’s putting this out now.” (Joe, 08:22)
  • Ocho: Everyone already knows Giannis wants to leave – it’s just a matter of time.

• Embracing the Villain Narrative

  • “It’s okay to be the villain. Because once you leave, they going to turn on you no matter what.” (Joe, 08:22)
  • Discussion of other stars (LeBron, KD, Kawhi) and the inevitability of fan backlash on departure.
  • Shannon: “I get it. He won a championship. He’s earned—if he wants to leave, he can leave ... But, bro, just go ahead and say, ‘Yes, my time is up here.’” (Shannon, 10:04)
  • Joe: “Giannis is one who’s always been a fan favorite and he wants to remain a fan favorite even if he’s not playing in Milwaukee.” (Joe, 11:36)
  • “To whom much is given, much is required. And this is part of his greatness that he has to go through.” (Ocho, 12:12)

• Inevitable Backlash & Legacy

  • Personal analogy: Breakups and public perception.
  • “The bird is in your hand. You control his fate. Giannis, the bird is in your hand.” (Shannon, 26:11)
  • Shannon notes that no matter how the departure is spun, some Milwaukee faithful will boo, but most will still show love for what Giannis achieved (title, MVPs).

Notable Quotes

• On Giannis sneaking out:
  • “We gonna stop calling that man Greek Freak. We gonna start calling him Sneak Freak.” – Shannon (09:49)
• On forgiveness and return:
  • “Remember the second time when Braun came back to Cleveland? ... They burned the jersey. They hated him ... but look how God fixed it.” – Shannon (27:04)
• On controlling your destiny:
  • “No matter how you try to put it on your wife, no matter how you try to put it on your agent, you control your destiny.” – Shannon (26:22)

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2. OKC Thunder Moves: Wiggins to Hawks and Cap Management

(37:05–44:45)

• Aaron Wiggins Trade Breakdown

  • OKC sends Wiggins to Atlanta for two second-round picks; viewed as a positive “3 and D” depth addition for the Hawks.
  • Joe: “That’s a huge pickup ... he’s tried and tested, won a championship.” (Joe, 37:33)
  • Both Shannon and Ocho agree the Hawks are stacking wing talent under coach Quin Snyder’s system.

• Salary Cap Pressure & Roster Restructuring

  • OKC needs to cut costs after ballooning into luxury tax territory.
  • Shannon: “Entering the offseason, OKC had a projected penalty tax of $213 million. The trade reduces that number to $152 million. Guess what? I’m gonna try to get that thing down to under $100 million.” (Shannon, 40:02)
  • Possible further moves: Lou Dort, Isaiah Hartenstein, Casey Wallace are prime trade candidates to trim the roster and penalty bill.
  • The hosts break down how past moves (Golden State, Steph Curry) influenced the shape of championship squads.

Notable Quotes

• “I can see a situation where Dort is not there. ... I think Casey Wallace, I think he’s the prime contender not to be there.” – Shannon (39:15)
• “All them guys you just mentioned ... If you give up all them, you might not even be at the top of the Western Conference.” – Ocho (40:45)

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3. Timberwolves’ Stance: Jaden McDaniels is ‘Untouchable’

(52:10–55:10)

• Minnesota’s Priorities

  • “The Timberwolves reportedly would only trade Jaden McDaniels for Nikola Jokic or Giannis.” (Shannon, 52:10)
  • The hosts praise the team’s loyalty and valuation of their elite wing defender:
    “He ain’t going nowhere. Ain’t going nowhere. ... the Nuggets ain’t gonna trade Jokic.” – Ocho (52:26)
  • Shannon: “They wouldn’t trade Jokic for no player in the league. There’s not a player in the league.” (Shannon, 52:40)
  • McDaniels’ defense in the playoffs (especially vs. Jamal Murray) gets special mention.

• Team Needs & Concerns

  • Minnesota must improve at the 4, debate over Julius Randle’s consistency, and what the future holds for their guard rotation.
  • Ocho: If McDaniels’ offense can catch up, “we talking about the next Scottie Pippen type guy.” (53:58)

Notable Quotes

• “His—the—job that he did on Murray needs to be studied.” – Shannon (53:09)
• “If his offensive game can catch up with his defense and be consistent ... bro, it’ll be hard to get off him playing next to Ant man.” – Ocho (53:58)
• “He’s inconsistent, man ... his shot selection is not the best. ... That’d be like me... I think I can invest like [Warren] Buffett. Bro, y’all gotta stop this.” – Shannon on Julius Randle (55:46)

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4. NBA Roster Building Philosophy and Player Development

(60:03–64:57)

• Practice vs. Performance

  • Difference between training out of habit and training with purpose.
  • Ocho discusses how younger NBA role players need to polish their specific (often limited) in-game skills (catch-and-shoot, defense) rather than focusing on “sexy” practice drills they’ll never use in games.
  • “You want to try and turn [your weakness] into a damn strength.” – Ocho (61:28)

• NFL Comparisons & the Right Roles

  • Tangents into football: receivers, targets, how physicality and skill set should dictate your role rather than “training cute.”
  • “Whatever you’re good at ... we want you to be great at it.” – Shannon (65:36)

Notable Quotes

• “Sometimes you can mistake habit for hard work.” – Shannon (61:52)
• “You got to work on specific things based on your game.” – Joe (62:02)
• “If you know your strength as a receiver, you need to be perfecting that, not trying to be something you not.” – Ocho/Group sentiment (63:07–63:44)

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Memorable Moments

• Bird in the Hand Allegory: Shannon weaves a story about control and agency, tying it to Giannis’ situation (26:11). The other hosts praise his “preacher” transition, highlighting the blend of wisdom and humor.
• Playoff Experience Wisdom: The panel revisits high-stakes roster mistakes, referencing the Carmelo Anthony Knicks trade as a cautionary tale for gutting a team’s depth for a star (34:24–34:47).
• Lively Banter: Friendly roasts about each other’s football careers, NBA experiences, and group trips to Houston (31:04–32:54) bring extra flavor to the analysis and highlight the trio’s chemistry.

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Key Timestamps

• Giannis and legacy talk begin: 07:58 (~)
• Villain role, KD/LeBron parallels: 08:22–16:59
• Personal accountability, bird in hand story: 26:11–27:00
• Bucks’ trade negotiation and philosophy: 33:07–35:01
• OKC cap management & Wiggins trade: 37:05–44:45
• Wolves & Jaden McDaniels discussion: 52:10–55:10
• Player development, training habits: 60:03–64:57

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Tone & Style

The episode blends expertise with sharp wit and relatable analogies. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe speak with the hard-earned perspective of legends but make room for laughter, real talk, and streetwise metaphors (“sneak freak,” “bird under my foot”). The analysis is direct, candid, and unfiltered, aimed at listeners who want honest, insider takes on both on-court play and off-court maneuvering.

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Transcript

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[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Uncle Joe, this. All he doing is softening the blow. He just soften the blow to make sure that when it does happen, which will probably be maybe in 48 or 72 hours, he's not the bad guy. He just doesn't want to be the bad guy. That's why he's putting this out now. I'm not sure why he doesn't want to accept being the villain. It's okay to be the villain because once you leave, they going to turn on you no matter what. No matter what you do.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Even if it's too damn late, ojo. It's too late.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Look, everybody know you want out of. Out of Milwaukee. Yes, we know. Hey, hey, look, we know y' all splitting up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

We decide. Dude, over here sitting over here chilling in the cut. Oh, yeah, they about to break up in a little bit. Yeah, I'm gonna find me a little way to squeeze on up in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know I'm the reason why. Don't say nothing, though. Yeah, I've been seeing them. Ain't nobody business I've been seeing. I've been putting that bug in here. It'd be better over here than over there.

[Tab Ramos]

Hello?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello, Hello.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So listen, we already know. We already know they going they separate ways, homeboy. It don't matter how the blow come. Paul. Soften hard, Paul. I mean. Nah, for real. Go, go, go and open up the next chapter of your career, bro, because you still got a lot of great basketball Left. If you want to go to Miami and you. And you really have that choice, obviously you got to talk Milwaukee into it. Or if you want to go to Boston, hell, it seemed like Jaylen Brown already know. He on the chopping block, too. He already know he gone too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He talking about he playing. He playing China for 400 million. Hey, we gonna stop calling that man Greek freak. We gonna start calling him sneak freak. Cause he sure tried to sneak his ass up out of there without getting any blow.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Ain't, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he didn't see.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But we saw this early on chat and look, I get it, I get it. He won a championship. He's earned. If he wants to leave, he can leave most of the time. A lot of times you see what Kevin Durant did. Kevin Durant played his contract out. LeBron has played every last one of his contracts out. Whether you like the way how he moved around. Leave Cleveland, go to Miami, leave Miami, go back to Cleveland, leave Cleveland, go to LA. Every single time. LeBron James has never asked for a trade. And he's never. And he's never right. Not played his contract out. Kevin Durant, when he left. Now, obviously he left the Nets. He got traded. He left Phoenix, he got traded. Giannis has earned the right. If Yanni want. Giannis wants to leave, he's done that. But, bro, just go ahead and says, yes, my time is up here. Yeah, this notion that my wife is going to determine where we go if we go. My agent is handling all this. This is at your behest. And it's okay. It's okay. No matter what, you know, no matter how. It's not okay, no matter how well intended it is, somebody is going to be opposed to what you do. I give somebody. I give million dollars to aid foundation. I give $20 million to the NAACP. I give $2 million to the ASPCA. Somebody gonna say, well, why didn't you give this? They didn't need to give that. Why you give this? Why you didn't give that? Somebody is going to be opposed to everything we do. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

But every, every. Everything you just said, uncle, is right. Everything you said is just right. But what most players, some players are willing to take the backlash. Uncle Joe. Some players are okay with not being like Uncle Joe. Some players are. But Giannis is one who's always been a fan favorite. He's always been a fan favorite and he wants to remain a fan favorite even if he's not playing in Milwaukee. So what does he have to do he's saying certain things, let people know. Listen, if anything happens, if I'm traded, listen, it's not me. It was them. So you can still be a friend of mine. Listen, when he's gone, whenever he. Whenever he ends up in the 305, they still gonna bring the jersey. There's nothing.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

There's nothing. Hey, to Yanis, bro, it ain't gonna make you no bad brother, bro. You know what I mean? Listen, let me tell you something. Like, Unc say, hell, they gonna talk about you anyway. You hear me? It's always gonna be a little backlash. You know, I just think in this era, bro, you see. And he probably see or hear more. More negative stuff than positives. But, man, if I'm him, bro, I'm going to start the second half of my career and obviously try to do it somewhere where I know where I feel like I can win a title, whether it's Boston or. If you. If you think you got a chance to go to Miami, hey, man, this is part of it. To whom. Whom much is given, much is required. And this is part of his greatness that he has to go through.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, as y' all know, I've said it multiple times. I've said it over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Over.

[Joe Johnson]

Over the months. You know, obviously during the season, when the regular. What was going to happen? You know, the sources that I do have, they. They know what they're talking about, which is why I come on here and say some things that I've said. And again, with the reports are surfacing again, and all the other stuff. All the other stuff with Boston and. And him going anywhere, none of that is going to happen. That. Just. Just to create a dialogue to keep the people guessing on where you might go. Where he might go. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, listen, listen. I might act a fool or play a fool.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Anytime I say anything about somebody going somewhere, 90, 98 of the time, I've been right. Whether it's regarding basketball, whether it's regarding football.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hey, hey, hey. You might not be. You might not be a damn fool, but you're a fool now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey.

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Talk to me, Joe. Take your time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't work overtime at the job. You. You helped your partner. You damn sure part time. I think the problem that Giannis ran into. Giannis says he didn't want to go join anybody else. He wanted him to come to Milwaukee. But as everybody saw, it's hard to get team players, superstar players to come join you in Milwaukee.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come join you in Cleveland couldn't join you in okc. Come join you. If you not la, you not New York, you not Miami, how the hell are you going to get somebody to come there? You not. So it sounded good because guess what? LeBron and KD was getting hammered by leaving. Going to link up with others.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he like, I don't want that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody. He was, but loved. Everybody loved KD in OKC until he left. Everybody loved LeBron in Cleveland until he left. Yeah. It had been the same way with Kobe. Had Kobe gotten his request, gotten traded to go to Chicago. They disliked him, but he stuck it out and he won again and he retired there. That's just the way it is, Giannis, and it's okay. Everybody. Everybody is not going to like you or like the decisions you make. You've got to make the decision being a man, being the head of your family and the head of your brand, you've got to make the decision that is best in the interest of Giannis and Giannis's family. That's it. And if they boo you when you go back to Milwaukee, I'm sure you're gonna get a smattering of blue booze, but I believe you'll get more praise than boo.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's okay.

[Joe Johnson]

And you know what else? You know what else? I think, Uncle Joe, if you look at Miami, look at the landscape of the team, obviously the way Miami is constructed right now, Bam is a great player. You know, the players that they had there, but those aren't. That's not the type of team that constructed. That can. Can attract other people and want them to come there. I think with Bam coming there, I think the attraction of players wanting to come play in Miami and understanding, okay, we have Giannis, if we. If we build out, you know, get another piece or two, we have a chance to contend coming out east again.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah. I. Hey, listen, if they can. If they can find a way to. If the. He can find a way to get Giannis and pair him with Bam. Uncle Ocho, that'll be. That's.

[Joe Johnson]

That's Joe. We need one more.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I think. I think y' all might.

[Joe Johnson]

We need somebody to facilitate Joe. We need somebody.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I think. I think if y' all able to get Giannis, Patter has something else up his sleeve, too, because you gotta. The lead today is too guard driven, too guard heavy for you not to have a guard got to put pressure on an opposing team like 80 them come down, set up, set a play, run them guys long gone and to calm your nerves.

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[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because think about it. Everybody loved Kawhi in San Antonio until he did. What? Joe?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I'm not mistaken, Pop got on the mic and told him to stop booing. Yeah, they love Kawhi. He was the finals mvp. He was a two time defensive player of the year. But when he wanted out, they're like, later for you. You don't want to be here. We don't want you here.

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Boo.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You listen, the fans do feel a sense. And I think the only one that I can remember that. I mean, it's. Maybe it's different than football, because I don't think Tom Brady got any booze. Maybe he got a little maybe boo. It wasn't enough. Or Peyton, when he went back to Indy, he didn't get a whole lot, bro. But in basketball.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Donna, just prepare yourself for it. Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

The Bulls aren't really Bulls, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They. Those are the people who really loved you, you know, and they still do, but this is their way of showing it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You broke.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Real talk. That's what the Bulls are. So he. He may get a few Bulls when he go back, but what? Everything that he's done for Milwaukee, for the Bucks, bro. Come on, man. Won a title. Mvp. Like, they gonna love you, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gonna love you. Hey, it happened. I'm sure that. I'm absolutely certain. They booed Kareem.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Kareem was a three time league mvp. Won a Finals mvp. And he went to another Finals. Yeah, they booed him. It's hard for me to say. You could toss it up. You could say Giannis is a better player than Milwaukee. You could say Kareem. But both are going. I know for certain Kareem got booed. Even though, hey, probably wasn't a whole lot of footage of it. But, Yanis, you're going to get booed, bro.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know what it's like. You break up with your girl and she do stuff. She do stuff. She ain't. It ain't really you is that she can't be with you. Y' all was together and she saw, you know. Ocho, bro, I wish you was in college.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You weren't doing it like you doing it now. Hello. Everybody didn't know Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was with you when your name was Chadwick Johnson.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, take it. Take your time. Take your time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All of a sudden, you Ocho, you go by one name, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, now, see, I Remember using Little Rock, Arkansas.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your name was Joseph Johnson.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you go by Ice, so you ain't got no more time for me.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, hello. Oh, okay. Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. So I will act a fool on you.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, come on, come on. Preach now.

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Sunday.

[Joe Johnson]

Go ahead, take your time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the way it is. It's okay, because here's the thing. When a team trades a player, they don't boot a team.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Nope, they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But see, that's how it is. See, breaking up is easy if you're the one doing the breaking up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hello? Hello?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ever notice that?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When. When someone is ready to move on, guess what? They ain't block you change their number, do all of that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lead everything on their social media page and everything.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hello?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's what they wanted to do.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, and, and hey, listen. And let me tell you something. Just to add a little. Add a little salt and pepper to what you talking about. It's easy to do with due to breaking up when you got a plan on you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hello.

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Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

There are very few people that leave a job without having a job lined up. You be damn fool. They have a 250, 000 or a 500, 000 job. Quit it with not another 250, 500, 000 job. Maybe a 750. Wait for you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's just. That's just the way it works. That's why they say the burn the hand is better than two in the bush. Yeah, well, if I sit this damn one down, you best believe I got these two. I got these two. I might not have it in my hand, but I got these two under my damn foot. Hold on now.

[Joe Johnson]

Bring that back. Bring. Come on, let me put this in my nose. Now, hold on. Wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Say it again.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The bird of the head is better than two in the bush. Yeah, but guess what? I got the two under my foot. Joe, they ain't in the bush. They under my foot. Cause if I let this mofo go, you best believe I'm gonna read that right here.

[Joe Johnson]

A bird in the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you said two birds better than two in the bush. Because you remember the story when the wise man, he came along, he wise man, he had a bird in his hand. Yeah, well, the wise man would come along, but this guy had a bird in his hand.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said, I tell you what, I'm gonna give you 10 pieces of gold if you tell me the bird is dead or alive. That's in my hand.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

He was thinking if the man said the bird was alive, he was gonna squeeze it and kill the bird and said, see, the bird is dead. But if he said the bird was dead, he was gonna open the hand, let the bird fly away.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The wise man told him, the bird is in your hand. You control his fate. Giannis. The bird is in your hand.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So no matter how you try to put it on your wife, no matter how you try to put it on your agent, you control your desk.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, see, Unc don't even realize. Joe. Unc don't even realize that transition he just did, like a dj, he transitioned from the bird in the hand and then looped it into the Giannis situation. Hey, uncle boy, if I had an offering plate, boy, I'd send you some money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, Reverend Sharp over there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

He did it. It's Sunday, too, now. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, that's the. That's the thing. I think the thing is that. And eventually, guess what? They'll come back around.

[Onplus Nicotine Pouches Announcer]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause remember the second time when Braun came back to Cleveland?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yep. And ain't nobody getting more crucified than Braun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When he left with boy, they burned the jersey. They hated him, blah, blah, blah. Even the owner took out a full page, called him the phony king and this and that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

It would never be that bad, bro. Straight up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Nah, He. He had to go through the rigorous. The torture. Oh, they did it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, but. But look how God fixed it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Had to get. He had to get on a flight and go to Fort Lauderdale and meet with Rich, Paul, and Braun, didn't he?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look how God fixed it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Had to cross that same bridge.

[Karen from My Favorite Murder]

He.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Damn, that burnt down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying. The man, the Bible teacher says, look here, if you bow before me, I'll stand with you. And if I stand for you, can't nobody stand against you. That's what the Bible teaches us. I know I joke a lot, but I'm. I don't really. I don't really talk about that side, cuz. You know, Joe and Oo pull. They pull that old dude. I'll be trying to do right. I want to do right, y'.

[Joe Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but, man, I got these two jokers here. They won't.

[Joe Johnson]

You talking about Joe. That Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

See, I don't like how you be trying to point the finger, too, neither. Ocho. Take, take, take responsibility. Take Accountability in the things that you doing and saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, we would never like this until you came.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My thing is, I'm just having to be easily influenced. That's all my thing, right? I try to walk in the straight narrow, and here come old Crooked Joe pulling me off.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So basically. Basically, you saying you trying to do right, but you surrounded by wrong.

[Karen from My Favorite Murder]

Yes.

[Georgia from My Favorite Murder]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. No, you. You the wrong. You the wrong.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, you the dog.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You the dog. Yeah, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Don't you.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah. Joe, Joe, Joe. When you got here, I started acting a fool. I ain't never been like this before until you got here.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Ocho, it's Sunday, bro. Don't be Chad know. Come on, Chad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all know. Y' all heard the song. So much trouble in my way I gotta pray sometimes so much trouble Trouble in my way I got to cry sometimes I got to cry some so much trouble hey, that's y'.

[Karen from My Favorite Murder]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

Ah, what you mean me? That's it.

[Karen from My Favorite Murder]

That's.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yo, and this man. Steady deflecting, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Cause, Joe, I promise you. Joe, I promise you, when I was on here, I was a good pupil, huh? I was like. I was like a choir boy. All of a sudden, you came in here, you know, with some of these ideas, some of the things that you're saying, and it just. Like, I was. I was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me tell y' all something, Ocho. Me and you had done dropped. I said, ocho. I had done say ocho. Ocho. Let's drop this Houston thing. Okay? Okay, okay. We done with it.

[Joe Johnson]

Who brought it up?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who brought it up? And you know your birthday, Friday, you can shoot from LA to Houston. We get a night in, and you shoot. I was like, one day, I'm Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hey, hey, I'm glad. I'm glad I know what I'm working with. I'm glad I know y' all true colors, y' all true size. Cause I can't do nothing with you, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Cause I see y' all are. But let's see how y'.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I was just thinking, you know, Houston. I mean, Houston on my birthday don't sound like a bad idea.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You know what I'm talking about? See, I'm talking about. See, I'm talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you put it out there. Hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Erin Andrews]

When?

[Joe Johnson]

Your birthday, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I mean, on Friday.

[Joe Johnson]

What. What's the date? The date? Okay. Yeah, I can make that. I can make that. I can make that. I can only stay one day. I gotta get back to Miami.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, look here. I gotta. This might be a throwaway hand. I don't even know if I got a possible. I don't even know if I got a possible day. It might be a throwaway. I might have, like, six, seven hours.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, y'. All. Hey, y' all let me know what we gonna do now. Cause I got to be back in Miami on the 27th. Portugal play Colombia. Okay. I can't miss that match. But I could do 24 hours in Houston, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, man, y' all, look at him. Look at him. Look at him. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hey, hey, hey. Y' all just be talking outside of y', all, Nick. Y'.

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All.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Y' all ain't really talking about nothing.

[Tab Ramos]

Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe. I'm ready. Joe.

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If you.

[Joe Johnson]

If you gonna make a move.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we gonna make a move, let me know, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Situated. Hey, I get everything situated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jump on it. Cause you know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, I bet H. Town will be there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, man, we can't announce somebody rocking. Rocking the boots. Let's go.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Jeremy, Joe, Joe, my Unc. Hey, the restaurants y' all want to go to let me know ahead of time.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

That's you and Unc. Other city. I don't really know a whole lot about Houston like that. I want y' all to show me around, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know nothing about Houston.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I got.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Now he don't know nothing about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't up in our Houston.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, uncle. Hey, Uncle Joe. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got all the people I need to talk to to make sure we good. You know, we walking through the back door. Going to enjoy yourself. We ain't got to be bothered. You know, we can. We can use our peripheral vision. I mean, that's it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, I got you. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

And don't forget, we gotta hit Area 29 Friday night.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

All right. Bet they're gonna have.

[Joe Johnson]

They're gonna have a section rope, dog. They're gonna have a section rope loss for us and everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They gonna have a section roped off and all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

For us.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a big three coming in, like three kings.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, we gonna have security like what people we. We wanted. You know how Michael Jackson.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

How you walk? You know how Floyd walked through and he got like. They're gonna surrender. They gonna like Beatles. Yeah, yeah, like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like that.

[Joe Johnson]

We. Hey, we. We ain't famous yet, but we gonna act.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hey, hey, my grandma used to tell me, you gotta put claim on it. You know what I mean? You got to Go. You got to speak it into existence. You got to put claim on it.

[Joe Johnson]

I tell you, I get. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, I give us another year. I give us another year. We won't be able to fly. We won't be able to fly.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

We're gonna have a nightcap, jet watch,

[Joe Johnson]

man, we ain't gonna be able to fly commercial. We ain't gonna be able to go in public.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm telling you, they're gonna be swarming. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Uncle Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you go back.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Watch what I tell you. Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But y' all need to stop this. According to Jake Fisher, the bugs have set an unrealistic asking price for Giannis. The bugs naturally want as much as they can get if they're parting with the face of their franchise. So what constitutes unrealistic? Sources say Milwaukee has been asking team for a return will leave any club acquiring Giannis Baron too barren to contend for a championship, which is the precise opportunity Giannis is known to be seeking if he's going to finally leave being a Brewtown after 13 seasons and commit to a long term extension with a new team. Joe, is trading Yan is too risky for the Bucks to want to clean your organization out?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, it's very risky for the Bucks because it's, it's not a huge market, Uncle Ocho, so they know, damn, we ain't gonna really be able to get no free agents, so we got to get players through the draft. This is probably why they want a lot of draft compensation, you know, to where they can be high in the lottery to some degree, because without that, bro, you don't give free agencies unless, unless you overpay for them. That's what these small markets have to do. So. Yeah, I, hey, look, I, I, my asking price would be a lot too hell if I'm a small market.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Prime example. Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What did it do to the Knicks?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. They ain't had no bench, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gutted them.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the precise. I'm not trading you. Listen, I'm not trading you. My best to make you stronger.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hello?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's gonna. My job is to put him in a worse situation. Carmelo didn't know it. He was in a worse situation in New York than he was in Denver.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My job. If I'm the, if I'm the Bucks, I'm gonna put you in a worse. You thought it was bad here. All you did was change locations. But it's worse.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. I think when you think about it though, for Melo, being from, you know, up north Baltimore, getting a chance to play in New York, I think he probably would have traded even. Even knowing what he know now, Uncle Ocho, he'd trade that to play for the Knicks. Yeah, yeah, he's traded that. He's traded it for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I think the thing is, is that, yeah, prior to seeing LeBron then win championships, seeing Bosch win championships, seeing D. Wade winning championships, now I got to reassess because now people looking at me like, hold on, I'm supposed to be in that Big five. We've been. We've been kicked Darko Milichick out.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now the part of that big five now is the big four. I'm the only one that's barren. Granted, he made the top 75, deservedly so. Multiple times, was 10, 11 time all star, all NBA selection.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

20 plus 25. I think 25, 26,000 career points. What's the only thing that's missing on his resume? That the guy that he came in with. Because really, that's how you looking at it, Joe. You looking at it. Cause you always mention you know exactly who came in your draft class.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know exactly receiver that came in your draft class.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes, sir. And not only that, Uncle Ocho, not only do you know, but Carmelo came in in 03, bro. That's one of the most historic draft classes. Probably after the 96 draft. After the 96 draft class, then probably the 03 or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or what you call them, or the 80, 84 draft with Jordan, Elijah, 1, Barkley, Stockton.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was three.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I was three then. I ain't talking about that one. Hey, that's a hell of a draft too. That 96 draft was. Oh, man, you talking about hall of Famers. I mean, just iconic. Iconic cast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Came through. Yeah. Who I grew up watching play, bro. It was. I mean, wow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But yeah, they.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Right there. That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think that's the thing. And that's what happens, Joe. Your Hogs just made a trade. The Oklahoma City Thunder are finalizing the trade to sing guard Aaron Wiggins to the Hawks for two second round picks in Atlanta's 2030 and the least favorable of the Hawks Lakers in 2032. Wiggins, drafted number 55 overall in 2021, developed into a championship role player culture, now moves to an up and coming Hawks team. A guy that can defend that three and D guy, Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yep. Hey, hey. I love that Pickup. You know, you think about what Quinn Schneider is trying to do over there, bro. He getting a lot of, like, size cats. Cats who can play on both ends of the floor. Uncle Ocho switching. Yeah. Hey, they. They. They shoot the three a lot. So they get these three and D guys, guys who can guard and get out, hit them wings, spot up and shoot. So, and. And. And he's. He's tried and tested, won a championship. So now I'm sure for Wiggins, bro, he probably want to try something and show a different side of him, you know, obviously, to what he has to offer to the game. So I'm excited for the Hawks, bro. That's a. That's a huge pickup.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they're not done. They're gonna have to trade some more players, too.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When they got to. When they got those big three up under those max contracts. Oh, yeah, there's gonna be some other players. Yeah, they're gonna be some other players leave.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And consider the thing. You better maximize it while you can. Because, see, the thing is that helped Golden State is that with. Steph was on that bull job contract because of his ankles.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so I was able to sign Clay, I was able to give Draymond some money, and I was able to bring KD in.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now just imagine if Steph had been healthy all this time, they would have to give him max contract, which makes it kind of hard to not only give Steph, give Draymond and Clay max contract, but to bring KD in.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah. I think when you look at okc, they're definitely not done, Uncle Ocho, because I think they would. They got like two or three first round picks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got three.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. So they got to get up off about at least three of those guys they got over there right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So Wiggins is just. Just the start. They got to give up at least two more, you know, probably more. Two more key pieces to what it is they've done over the past some odd years. They got to get two of those guys up, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can see a situation where Dort is not there. I think Casey Wallace, I think he's the prime contender not to be there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think. And I think. I think in your situation, I think Kaminga. I think they're going to move on from Kaminga.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, I think already. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if I had just. Just looking at reading the tea leaves and just looking at the landscape, I don't know, Joe, you might have something different, but I can see that. I can see that happening yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Cause I. You know what? I'm not sure what his asking price is, Uncle Ocho, but you know, I think he still has a lot of value to him. I mean, hell, I ain't gonna lie. I would like to see him stay in Atlanta. But from the rumors I've been obviously seeing online and things of sort, these rumors come from somewhere, bro. So, you know, it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It wasn't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

It wouldn't shock me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Entering the off season, OKC had a projected penalty tax of 213 million. The trade reduces that number to 152 million. Guess what? I'm gonna try to get that thing down to under 100 million, Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I need to get off Wallace. I'm going to need to. I'm going to need to get off Lou Dort. I might have to get off Hardenstein, because think about it. I got 290 tied up in shape. I got 2. 45 tied up in J Dub. Yeah, I got another 235, 240 tied up in Chip. Oh, so you want me to pay that salary and the penalty on top of that?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

All them guys you just mentioned? Those are all of our blue collar, hard working cats. If you give up all them, you might not even be at the top of the Western Conference. And you need some of those guys, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, I'm not gonna pay that. You got me paying all you. Hey, look here. Okay, well, I'm gonna have to get rid of CEO, a CFO and a coo. Now which one going, Shay or J Dub? Which one you want me to get rid of, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, hell, I. I could tell you the first one who gonna be out the door, especially with the way they played in the playoffs. And I don't mean to be rude, and I don't mean to be disrespectful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna call him the Stick man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Check man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They're not getting rid of that. Man, y' all tripping. Y' all tripping. They ain't getting ready. They ain't getting rid of Check, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Them.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Them three with Jalen and. And Check and Shade ain't going nowhere. You gotta try to keep. Obviously you're gonna probably keep Caruso. I know you're gonna have to give up Wallace or Lou Dork. I don't know if you got to give up both of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The trade opened up a roster spot for the Thunder. Now they have 14 players under contract, including Lou Dort, Isaiah Hardenstein, and Kendrick Williams. The three have a team option for next season. I can see them pick A moving door. Yeah, Hardenstein. That's a possibility too, ain't Hardenstein. Right now, as we sit, Your tax is 152 million. I'm paying 152 million for what, Joe? I got lost in the Western Conference finals, and you was on. You know what? I could probably see that, Joe. I probably could get off that Joe and Ocho, if I won the NBA championship. It's hard to digest. Joe and okc. I'm not in New York, I'm not in la, I'm not in Boston. Ain't a whole lot of big businesses out there that want to slap their name on something and say, yeah, I'm tied to the Thunder.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, no, no, no, I understand that part, but that's a slippery slope, too, because they were hampered by injuries and we know that. By key players. So it's tough. Yeah, you made it. Hell, you won seven games with the spurs, and you ain't have your, what, your second leading score nor your fourth leading score. You know what I mean? So I think if I'm okc, I still got a lot I can hang my hat on, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here's the problem, Joe, that you run into my third leading scorer was supposed to step up and beat my second leading scorer, and I wasn't supposed to miss a beat right now, what I'm supposed to do about that?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You gotta hope his ass get better, Jake. He gotta get better, bro. Like, I think in a lot of these playoff moments, especially when it gets tough for guys sometimes, you know, you have to really look yourself in the mirror and see and say, damn, I gotta get better, bro. I gotta get stronger. I gotta be more dominant, you know, when it comes down late in the season because we all tired and banged up, but, man, they pay you the big bucks, bro, to be able to come through in. In. In the clutch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Big bucks. And no, we. They.

[Tab Ramos]

They.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. I didn't think. Check. Check didn't give him. He ain't give him Nathaniel. And. And I mean, it was just tough, bro. It was tough for him the whole series. So if I'm check, I'm in the gym right now working out. I'm talking about, I'm coming. I'm coming in next season. I'm talking about, boy, hey, now I'm finna show up and show out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, no, I should. He should be eating protein. He probably should be getting like 250 grams, 300 grams of protein a day, trying to put some weight on his ass.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

He probably a man doing it 200 push ups a day, you know, making sure he get right. You know what I mean? Check.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, man, help your boy out, Joe. But if you look at his frame, Ocho Joe, he only gonna be so big. As a matter of fact, his frame might be smaller than KD. And you see KD been in the league 19, 20 years and don't look like he gained 2 ounces.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you know, and the thing, the thing about it too also Uncle Joe, is he can keep that small frame. He can keep that small frame knowing that that's his, that's his, that's as big as he's going to get. But he can get much stronger than what he is. Yeah, you can still have a small frame and still be extremely strong. He just doesn't have that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hey, and I think what we really losing sight of here is that, damn, he was playing against Wimby, bro. You know, it ain't but one damn Wimby. It ain't. But you know, you only got to play against him a few times in a year. Yeah, I know if you meet him in the, in the playoffs, that's one thing. But he's still gonna be a great player, guys, you know what I mean? Ain't like he ain't gonna be no damn good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like Wimby wasn't guarding him and then when he was, he wouldn't even shoot the ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hold on, Joe. Wait a minute. You say it's only one player. Think how many times he gonna have to face Wimby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least folks, when it matters.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, he gonna, he gonna.

[Joe Johnson]

And forget the regular. Forget the regular season. Uncle Joe. I mean, Uncle Joe, we talk about in the playoff, they gonna see each other every single year. You got to show up. And what he need, it don't need no muscle. Based on what we saw, he needs something else that you can't.

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[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

What that is heart. There you go. I can't measure them because you got

[Joe Johnson]

this man on you. You don't want to shoot the ball.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, you're not you. You're not attacking him. You're not doing nothing. You ain't even going into your toolbox.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You just getting the lab now, bro. He getting right. He getting right. Hey, hey. He hear the naysayers, bro. He hear him. He gonna bounce back. He gonna bounce back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I sure hope so. But the thing is, I think everybody's gonna get better. I don't think. I don't think the Timberwolves are going to stand pat. I don't think the Nuggets are going to stand pat.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what the Lakers are going to do. You hear all these trail about Kale Ware and possibly adding Lou Dort and some of this, I don't know. But the West, The West, I promise you, the west isn't getting any easier. It's not.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

It ain't, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so that's what I'm saying. When this opportunity presents itself, you got to cash in, because you don't know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

You don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You just don't. So we're gonna say the draft is Tuesday. Things are going to start brewing tomorrow, and Tuesday, things gonna start picking up. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, you're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll start picking up.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I think. I think. I think Giannis probably will be moved before the draft if y' all want me to be 100.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you're gonna be moved in the.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What did I tell you? When I told you, Joe, I ain't never steered you wrong.

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[Joe Johnson]

Now, Jesus got the wheel in this car. I'm driving 42 to 48 to 72 hours. Yana's gonna be gone.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. They ain't. Probably in the last hour. Okay. Ojo, Right before, you know, right before anything about the kickoff, they're gonna have something for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Timberwolves reportedly would Only trade Jaden McDaniel for Nikola Jokic or Giannis. Well, he gonna be on your team, then. Other teams about Tri Carter, swing man Jay Day. Minnesota is made essentially untradable, unless for a blockbuster trade involving Giannis or Nicola. Joking.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. You gotta. You gotta respect it because they keeping it 100. Hell, they. Outside of that, they ain't trading. He ain't going nowhere. Ain't going nowhere. Cause I know damn sure the Nuggets ain't gonna trade Jokic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They wouldn't trade Jokic for no player in the league. There's not a player in the league. Not Shay, not Wimby, not. Not. Not Brunson. They would not trade him for anybody.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And neither would I, man.

[Joe Johnson]

No, too special. Too valuable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, too special.

[Joe Johnson]

Too valuable. And you can't. You can't replace.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you look at. You look at McDaniels, you talk about a guy, a legit three and D guy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, his. The. The job. That job that he did on Murray.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Needs to be studied.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then he came up with big shots. Then he made big. Big play after big play after big play. I understand his value to the team.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Playing him alongside Ant. Now the question is, Drew Randall gave you nothing. Yeah, I ain't never seen a magician that tall. Copperfield isn't that far tall. You got Chill Henny in that call, Houdini. Normally magicians are small because they got a fitness up. I ain't never seen a six, nine magician. Yeah, but that man disappeared in front of everybody. It normally slide a hand, you know, you. I'm showing you something over here. Oh, yo, and I'm moving something over here. This man, six nine with a tank top on and disappeared right before eyes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, like that on the J. McDaniel, though. His offensive. If his offensive game can. Can catch up with his defense and be consistent. Uncle Ocho, we talking about the next Scottie Pippen type of guy, you know, especially playing with Ant man, you know, I know, I know you know that, that, that's high. Regards. But that's the potential that I see in Jaden Daniel, bro. It'll be hard to get off him playing next to Ant man and he pick his offensive game up. I'm talking about being consistent every night to where you know you gonna get about 20 to 23 points from him a night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, just give me. Just give me 18 to 20, Joe. Just give me 18.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

18.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you know, Ant Man. Ant man gonna. Gonna shoot six to seven threes a night.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Every man trying, he tried to get 30 every night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Every single night. The question is if you know what you got. First of all, you already know what you're getting for Rudy Gobert. He's not an offensive threat. He's going to anchor your defense. If he gives you 8 to 10 points, you gladly accept it. But you want him to give you somewhere between 10 to 13 rebounds a night. Block you two to three shots. That's a good evening for him.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The problem is, what are they going to do? What are they going to do at the four? What are they going to. Are they going to bring Randall back? Because he was very, very inconsistent.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Everybody thought.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't like Julius, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Minnesota made out with this trade. They got rid of Cat. Cat said, okay, y'.

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All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all got. Yo, you happy with that?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hold on. But is he a free agent, though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think, you know, I don't think so. No.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I think they gonna. I think they gonna tweak their roster, though. I. I don't know. I don't know what they gonna do, but I. I for sure think they're gonna tweak it.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't. You don't like Julius Randolph.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He inconsistent, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Champions.

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You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You guy got to be consistent. He wasn't consistent.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Finally take terror. His shot selection is not the best. There's a lot to be desired with him. Yeah. And the problem is. The problem is here one more time and this, you know, hey, the record isn't scratched. The problem is, is that he's with Kobe. He thinks mama mentality. Mama, bro. You not Kobe. You not. That is the problem. That'd be like me. Hey, I'm getting a tutorial from Warren Buffett, and all of a sudden, I think I can invest like him. Bro, y' all gotta stop this. I understand the game, and he wants you. Kobe wanted you guys to take the game serious. He wanted you to put time, but your skill level isn't that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you going out there jacking up wild shots and doing all this foolishness just because Kobe told you to. No.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

They gonna make some changes, though. They gonna make some change.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They need to.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because we saw right now, Joe, they're not close to San Antonio.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Nah. And. And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they're not close to okc.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. And they gonna lose some key pieces like I IO the IO kid. You gonna. Yeah, you gonna lose him. You losing him to free agency? Cause I think he a free agent. Somebody finna pay him some big money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How soon did Devo come back? Divincenzo.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Oh, you can. Well, he probably. He ain't coming back. He probably ain't coming back. This. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

At bare minimum, what, March, April. Yeah. At that point in time, you like what I gotta play for.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

So that's them two key contributors to what it is that they done this year. So that's gonna be tough, bro. But, you know, you look at the Shannon kid who stepped up in the postseason, Uncle Ocho, I'm sure he gonna be gonna be in rotation when season started. Now they need to get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They can get. They get. Need to get another guard, too. I think it's kind of run its course with Conley.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Georgia from My Favorite Murder]

Or.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Or Conley just being a hell of a backup.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Be.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be a mentor.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But damn, who you go get, though? I've been seeing the. The rumblings.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get a kid out of Chicago Giddy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. See, my thing, I like giddy, but it's. I think, you know, his offensive repertoire got pretty good in Chicago. But, hell, you Ain't. You ain't playing with no damn body. You ain't got no real talent around you. And when he was playing with great talent, okc, his shot wasn't like that. You know what I mean? So it's different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, that's why. Because the thing is, Joe, he needs the ball.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't gonna have the ball in okc now with Shay doing that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we might as well now. You put him. You put him in. He was with. When he with Levine. I think he with the Rosen. They had a nice little Kobe White. Yeah, they had a nice little squad, Joe. Yeah, but they were gonna really do no damage.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Nah, they had boost of each and.

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[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

And Uncle Ocho here, you. You losing damn near every night, man. You ain't really on the scouting report like that. Like it's. It's different when you start playing, you know, meaningful basketball. You know, he. If he go over to Minnesota now, you know, we understand Ant man as a focal point, but, man, I don't know, bro. I don't really know. I. I like Josh Giddey, but I don't know if he gonna fit well in Minnesota playing next to Antman.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got to do something, but they got to get better. They got to get better. And the team's like, man, we're close. We. Look, I think. I think Denver, I think they're two central figures. I think with Murray and Yolk. Yeah, they gotta. They gotta keep Gordon healthy. That is the key. You talk about a big body guy that can rebound the basketball. He can get you out. And he's the way. He's turned himself into a three point shooter, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't that in Orlando.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Nah, nah. Hey, his game has evolved, Ocho. Hey, hey, when you want to be great in this league or as a professional in any sport, man, you got to put the damn work in, bro. You know, a lot of these cats come in with broken jump shots. It's just because it lacks consistency. You know, when you turn pro, hell, this all you do. You wake up, go to the gym, get your damn shots up, go home, take a nap, come back, shoot some more jump shots. This your job. That's why it's hard, man. When I watch guys these days who can't make a damn shot, man, when ain't nobody guarding you. You know what I mean? You know, the league has changed. It's perimeter oriented now, bro. Ain't no way you supposed to be out there and not be a threat offensively.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The problem is what's so hard, Joe, when you're so much better than everybody else, what am I working on? I get by you with my first move. I can beat you with my second move. I can beat you with any move I want. Now you get to the next level and that first move.

[Joe Johnson]

Second,

[Shannon Sharpe]

when things are going well, what do we work on? And that's what the greats do.

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You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't work on your stuff during the season. You work on your game in the off season.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They say you prepare for war. Not in time of war, but when there is no war.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. And whatever your damn weaknesses are, you want to try and turn them into a damn strength.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

If I know I done shot 20% from the three this past season, I'm beginning them jumpers up every day. Yes, sir. That's all I'm saying, bro. That's all it takes. It takes repetitions, reps, reps, reps.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But just going to. But here's the thing, though, Joe. Are you going to the gym out of habit? Are you working hard? Cause sometimes you can mistake habit for hard work. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, hold on and hold on. Hold on, Uncle Joe. You got a lot of people going. Whether you play football, whether you play, no matter what sports you play. A lot of people go out there and work out, but don't know what they're working out, working on. You got to work on specific things based on your game. You know, if you play, if you play receiver, you doing stuff, you know that. You know your team, they don't need you to do that because they're not going to put you no positions to run those routes and run those plays. You got to work on what you're going to do once you go back in that structured environment.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. That's it. I only work no things in the off season that I will be doing in the game.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why am I working on something to have me do it in the game? Why? I'm out there running while I run on the shake, man, they ain't gonna let me run no damn. Mike ain't gonna let me run no shake in the game.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I might run. He might let me run slow.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

He might let me run a dig or a comeback. A square.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. So I'm gonna work on that. I ain't running no damn shake. I'm working on Wall Ross. I'm working on Zaros. I'm working on something that I know that they're gonna call in the game to give me an opportunity. To get open. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And. And you know what? And we speaking on working out. Joe, you know something I do hate, and it's. It really hurts my nerve. I'm looking at some of these big receivers, some of these receivers that aren't really twitchy, and they got them doing stuff that small receivers do, knowing that all of it all is creating. I'm just being honest, Uncle Joe. All it's doing is creating bad habits. Once you get back to that structured environment and you playing against smaller corners, and you sitting here doing all this, and you getting jammed up at the line and wonder why you can't get

[Shannon Sharpe]

the hell open, boy, you. But, hey, you better forklift, old boy and get him up out the way.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Knowing you, you ain't got the skill set to be doing all that pretty stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

235. You try to run rides like JSN,

[Joe Johnson]

it'll never happen. It never. Listen, there's one Julio Jones. Yeah, that's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Most of the guys you look at, I mean, and T o could run around, say, this size, but TO wasn't as big as Tio, Wasn't as big as Julio. Julio's about 225. I think Tio probably played around 215. Yeah, Tio was really. Was really muscular, but he wasn't dense like Julio, man. Julio was. Yeah. Julio is huge.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, same thing. Same thing with basketball. I mean, you got these guys who are really three and D guys and ball handling anything, but all you see him doing is dribbling, drill euro step. And I'm like, yeah, man, you need to perfect that. Damn. That corner. Three down to where, hell, if you miss his luck. You feel what I'm saying? Like, you gotta perfect it, bro. Because a lot of times, like we all say, or like I've been telling y', all, hell, when you first come into the NBA, that's probably gonna be the only shot you gonna get. You're gonna be one of them corner boys where you just stand on the. Stand in the corner so you out the damn way. And when that ball find you, you may not get but five reps a game. Three reps a game. Hell, you need to be making more than half of them, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you. Hey, you ain't see who. You ain't see Megatron running all them JSN routes. What? Megatron running?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jump ball. Go.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that deep dig route. Hey, catching that thing, Joe. And go. Coming out. Coming out the back door. I see you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got Mega trying to run. Trying to Run a zarro, right? You got mega try and try to run whip routes at £240, man. Let that man get ahead of steam and get down the damn field

[Joe Johnson]

what he does best.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And let JSN do what he does.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whatever you good at. Yeah, we're gonna. Hey, but whatever you're good at, we want you to be great at it. And we're gonna put you in situation. You see what they do? What is puka? Puka. They put puka in a situation, Puka gonna make tub contested catches. You got to in that offense.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at that offense. Look at his Cooper Cup. Let it lead. Tough contested catches inside.

[Tab Ramos]

Listen. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And their. Their slots are different than most slots because most slots their size Cooper cup bigger than you think. You think Cooper? You think it's slot? You thinking Edelman, you thinking Amendola, you thinking Wes Welker, Brandon Stokely? They not that Cooper cup is a big ass man. Puka Dakua is a big ass man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not your typical slots.

[Georgia from My Favorite Murder]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you can't approach them like that. They physical. They can play through contact. You got to be, because you're getting 180, 190, 200 targets. You catching 120, 130, 140 balls. Do you know what kind of physical toll that takes on you?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I wish I did have me 100 something damn targets.

[Tab Ramos]

I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think I better have 100 or so. I think, because I call 87 balls one year, I call 81. Called 80, but I ain't never had no 190, 185 target. Hell no.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Hey, hey, hey. If guys getting targeted like that, they damn near force feeding you a little bit. Ain't the man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they gonna force feed you.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you they got.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You damn right. You getting forced. He know it red. Because. And then remember devonte goes down.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about how many balls Cooper cup before OBJ got there. Because that's why they went and got obj. Because they didn't feel they had a second or third receiver.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they had to force feed him. And hey, but the problem is, you see what he did? It broke him down. Boy, you catching 140 balls. You catching 100 something balls, Ocho. And even the balls, Joe, that you don't catch, they putting rod else and bike helmets and Swartz. I don't know what shut. I bet they got shuts now. I don't think everybody play with Rydell or bike anymore. They got shuts and all those XL helmets they put. They still put them helmets on your ass.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

Yes sir. I already know it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Things hurt.

[Joe Johnson]

You play with the right quarterback, boy, you gonna, you gonna, you gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe Joe oh, you remember we was talking about who was it? I think it was chase. One game had like 24, 25 targets. You say man, oh that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that was. What's the name kept Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco kept throwing to him. It was 21 targets in a game. Jones 21.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho)]

But y' all know, y' all know the the league different now. It's a pass heavy league versus when y' all played absolutely, you know, crazy pass heavy. Imagine the targets y' all are getting nowadays, boy.

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[Karen from My Favorite Murder]

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