Nightcap Hour 2: Knicks Mitchell Robinson OUT with BROKEN Finger + NBA PASSES Anti-Tanking RULE + Heat LOCKED IN on Ja & Kawhi if NO Giannis + Wings BEAT Aces in THRILLER + Haley Van Lith CUT AGAIN

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson OUT, NBA Passes Anti-Tanking Rule, Heat Eye Ja & Kawhi, Wings Beat Aces, Haley Van Lith Waived

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Date: May 29, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap features Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson diving into breaking and trending stories across the NBA and WNBA. Hour 2 covers the fallout from the Knicks' Mitchell Robinson's finger injury, in-depth reactions to the NBA’s newly passed anti-tanking rules, a spirited debate about potential Miami Heat acquisitions, a detailed breakdown of the Dallas Wings’ stunning win over the Aces, and concern for former first-round WNBA pick Haley Van Lith’s recent waiving.

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1. Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson OUT with Broken Pinky (02:27)

Key Discussion Points:

• Mitchell Robinson, the Knicks' defensive anchor, is out indefinitely due to a broken pinky finger.
• Debated severity and impact of the injury.
• Compared basketball injury protocols to football’s toughness mentality.

Quotes & Notable Moments:

• “What was he doing, huh? ...That's a finger. Your game is predicated off energy and effort. ...You better tape that damn finger up!” – Joe Ocho (02:39)
• “Damien Woody said, I’m gonna need some basketball dudes to help me understand why Mitchell Robinson missing time with a broken pinky. I broke my hand in training camp, had surgery and had the whole damn hand in the cast and didn’t miss a game.” – Joe (03:27)

Timeline Reactions:

• Robinson’s injury widely seen as serious for playoff-bound Knicks, but the hosts joke about taping it up and playing through it if possible.
• “We don’t play with dislocated fingers,” highlighting the “tough it out” culture in football vs. basketball (03:57).
• “He was shooting 15% to begin with, so now you gonna shoot 10.” – Joe (04:51), poking fun at Robinson’s free throw struggles.

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2. NBA Passes Sweeping Anti-Tanking Rule (05:31)

Key Details:

• New draft lottery rules flatten odds, hoping to discourage intentional losing.
• Three worst teams guaranteed no lower than #12, can’t win #1 in consecutive years, no top-5 picks three straight years.
• Odds for worst teams at No. 1 pick drop to 5.4%.

Hosts’ Analysis:

• “They trying to take away this tanking, bro. It’s killing the game.” – Joe Ocho (06:24)
• Parallels made to soccer’s relegation system.
• Chris Paul’s earlier comments paraphrased: current system penalizes players in contract years, forces them to ‘suffer.’

Quotes & Insights:

• “If we all on the same team and...it’s a contract year. ...I’m tryna get my numbers.” – Joe Ocho (08:09)
• “They fired T. Lou... cause they wanted T. Lou to tank. T. Lou said, ‘I’m trying to win!’” – Joe (08:30)
• Discussed how tanking can impact player stats, pay, and morale.

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3. Miami Heat Roster Pivot: Kawhi or Ja if No Giannis? (33:47)

Key Discussion Points:

• The Heat may target Kawhi Leonard or Ja Morant if Giannis Antetokounmpo isn't available via trade.
• Ocho heavily favors Kawhi: “Kawhi just coming off, I think, statistically his best season. ...The Heat culture...they’ll have him right down there.” – Joe Ocho (34:03)
• Debate over Kawhi’s health, practice schedule, and if the Heat’s culture could change his habits. “That man has not been on a regular practice schedule since 2018.” – Joe (34:23)

Heat Culture and Front Office:

• Discussion on whether Pat Riley needs to modernize his leadership to entice top-tier free agents.
• “We don’t want people second guessing coming to one of the greatest cities... because of Pat Riley.” – Unknown Male Host (36:11)
• Clippers’ likely reluctance to let their only superstar go after building a $2B arena.

Memorable Exchange:

• “If you keep Kawhi too damn long, you ain’t gonna be able to get rid of him. ...but you keep him too much longer...it’s over with.” – Joe Ocho (39:23)

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4. Wings Upset Defending Champion Aces in Thriller (43:03)

Game Recap:

• Dallas Wings (WNBA) beat the back-to-back champion Las Vegas Aces.
• Standout statlines:
  • Jessica Shepard: 22 pts, 20 rebs, 10 ast (“That is a hell of a triple double for a lady.” – Joe, 47:44)
  • Paige Bueckers: 20 pts
  • Azzi Fudd: 22 pts, impressive rookie outing

Discussion Points:

• The Wings’ talented trio of scorers and their growth through the season.
• “They played really well. They had that three-guard lineup... all they do is UConn, all they do is produce number ones.” – Joe (43:42, 48:02)
• Enrique Ogunbowale’s usage and touches (“she can go, man” – Joe Ocho, 45:32)
• Commentary on WNBA contracts and newfound big paydays possibly sapping some teams’ hunger.

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5. Haley Van Lith Waived Again – Is There a WNBA Problem? (48:48)

Key Story:

• Former WNBA first-round pick Haley Van Lith, after being cut by Chicago, is now also waived by the Connecticut Sun—despite solid numbers (8.1 PPG on 49% FG, 40%+ from 3).

Hosts’ Reactions:

• “She got some game, bro. Little lefty, she nice.” – Joe Ocho (49:10)
• “Something is happening. ...To be drafted as high as you were and to get cut by two teams...it got to be something.” – Unknown Male Host (49:28)
• “With those kind of numbers...you can’t find no playing time?” – Joe (49:46)
• Broader conversation about possible politics or bias in WNBA rotations and roster decisions.
• “That just don't make no sense to me, bro.” – Joe Ocho (50:04)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You want answers? I want the truth. You can’t handle the truth!” – Joe delivers a word-perfect “A Few Good Men” courtroom scene reenactment (23:00).
• Nostalgic sidebar on classic TV (In Living Color, Family Matters, Golden Girls, etc.) – “They don’t make shows like that no more, bro.” – Joe Ocho (20:47)
• Extended analogy about zoo animals as NBA superstars: “There’s only a few animals you want to see...you go to the zoo, what you going to see? I’m going to see lions, tigers, gorillas, snakes.” – Joe (40:26)

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Key Segment Timestamps

• [02:27] Knicks’ Mitchell Robinson out, impact on playoffs
• [05:31] NBA passes anti-tanking draft lottery reform
• [33:47] Miami Heat shifting focus to Kawhi/Ja if no Giannis
• [43:03] Dallas Wings defeat Aces – WNBA star performances
• [48:48] Haley Van Lith waived by Sun – WNBA roster woes

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Tone & Style

Unfiltered, playful, and candid—Shannon and Chad mix deep sports insights with banter, nostalgia, and quotable pop culture moments. The result is an engaging look at the latest sports headlines with just enough irreverence to keep it real.

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[Joe]

Robinson Guys, the Knicks got some bad news. Richard Mitchell Robinson is out with a broken pinky finger. Sean's report no timetable on his return. Joe how bad would this impact the Knicks?

[Joe Ocho]

Damn, what was he doing, huh?

[Unknown Male Host]

In practice.

[Joe Ocho]

Man, that's a. That's a finger. Your your game is predicated off energy and effort. Energy and effort. Shot blocking Ain't like, hell, y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Joe Ocho]

We thought they throw him the ball and he get, you know. Go get us a bucket. That man. Yeah, you better take that damn finger up and get ready to go.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, hey. All you gotta do is just take these two, hun. Joe. Take these two together.

[Joe Ocho]

Which finger was it?

[Unknown Male Host]

Did it say the pinky

[Joe]

you said. You said? You mean which hand was it?

[Joe Ocho]

You say he broke his finger, right?

[Joe]

He broke his pinky.

[Joe Ocho]

His pink on what hand? Yeah.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, it don't matter, Joe. Just take these, tape these two together right here, and let's go.

[Joe]

Well, it wasn't like he was shooting anyway. Damien Woody said, I'm gonna need some basketball dudes to help me understand why Mitchell Robinson missing time with a broken pinky. I broke my hand in training camp, had surgery and had the whole damn hand in the cast and didn't miss a game.

[Joe Ocho]

Hell, and he still got time, man. He still got. The finals will start to the fifth. Hell, he got plenty of time, Joe.

[Joe]

We know y' all the softest ones, Joe. Now, I mean, come on, now, stop that.

[Joe Ocho]

Oh, come on. Don't start. Don't start. Don't start. Don't stop.

[Joe]

We don't play with dislocated fingers. And I like Joe Ocho say, take the things together or get a.

[Unknown Male Host]

A.

[Joe]

Get a. A split.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah, that's it. Hey, he's a defensive player anyway. And when you go to the line, he gonna miss anyway. So we're not counting on making no shots or free.

[Joe Ocho]

Unless. Unless it's so bad to where he really needs surgery or something. Nah, I don't know.

[Unknown Male Host]

The surgeon gonna have to wait till after game six.

[Joe]

It's his right hand, but, like, man, he ain't shooting no shots anyway. He getting dunks and put backs and he rebounded.

[Unknown Male Host]

He.

[Joe Ocho]

It's gonna be hard to play his ass. Cause it's gonna be Hacker Robinson, too.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, they gonna.

[Joe Ocho]

He damn sure. Hey, he damn sure ain't gonna make no free throws now,

[Joe]

Joe. He was shooting 15% to begin with, so now you gonna shoot 10.

[Joe Ocho]

Damn.

[Unknown Male Host]

Well, that's bad. Hey, Joe, why he can go to a free throw, coach in the offseason, Joe?

[Joe Ocho]

Man, that. That just come from putting in. You gotta put the work in. Oo, damn.

[Unknown Male Host]

Maybe his hand's too. Too big for the ball?

[Joe Ocho]

No, hell no.

[Unknown Male Host]

Too big for the ball, huh?

[Joe]

Joe, you got.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, hey. Anything is repetition, bro.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Joe Ocho]

Your ass to practice, bro. Make a hundred free throws before practice. Make a hundred.

[Joe]

Why that man will be there the whole year.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, hey. Well, hey, that's what it's gonna take.

[Joe]

Joe talking about make 100 free throws.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

NBA passes anti tanking rules three, two, one draft lottery systems. Teams four through ten get three lottery balls. Both three bottom three teams get two lottery balls. Playing teams get one to two lottery balls. 16 teams in the lottery with flattened odds previously 14 teams cannot pick number one in consecutive years. No top five picks in three consecutive years. The worst teams now have just a 5.4% chance to get the number one pick. The team with three balls have an 8.1% chance at each.

[Joe Ocho]

At.

[Joe]

At the number one pick. The wor three worst teams are guaranteed to pick no lower than 12 other lottery teams can fall as far as number 16, Joe Ocho. Do you like this?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, they trying to take away this tanking, bro. It's killing the game. You know when you get teams midway through the season who feel like they got nothing to play for?

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

And okay, boom. It's for instance, look at Washington. They wouldn't trade it for 80. And Trey, I'm talking about. They ain't even played none this season. You know what I mean? They say, hey, man, you got. Hey, we gotta tighten this ship up, bro. Cause look, if you don't, the. The tanking will continue and teams will continue to, you know, do whatever. Can't do whatever they can to try and get a top three pick. You know what I mean? I'm. I'm glad they. I'm glad he implementing all this in.

[Joe]

Bro.

[Joe Ocho]

We gotta do that.

[Joe]

Didn't the Cavaliers get the three consecutive. They got Kyrie, Anthony Bennett, and Andrew Wiggins.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Back to back to back.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah, I, I like that. The funny thing about it too long. It. It's.

[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Unknown Male Host]

It's crazy that I had this with a conversation with us earlier. We talked about the tanking rule. Obviously, soccer and soccer unk and, And Joe, you know, if you don't play well, if you playing at the bottom of the league, you get reg. You get relegated, you know, to.

[Joe]

Down to a lower tier, a lower division.

[Unknown Male Host]

But obviously we.

[Joe]

We.

[Unknown Male Host]

We oppose the question, you know, to Chris Paul about what do you think about the tank in basketball? And is there anything that. That we can do to teams and penal. Penalize them? Obviously there's no regulation because there's nowhere for. For NBA teams to go.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Host]

And obviously he had a really great answer and said they need to be penalized because the players that are on the team have to suffer. They have to suffer, you know, not being able to. To get the numbers they want to and do some of the things and be able to contribute to helping that team win where they're stifled and really have. Really have no say so. You know, when a team decides to tank.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. Because think about it. Look at it like this. If we all on the same team and they talking about we tanking and. And it's. It's on contract year. It's on contract year. He like, damn, this damn tank. I'm trying to get my damn numbers. Yeah.

[Unknown Male Host]

It affects you. Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Put your ass on the bench or trade you.

[Joe Ocho]

There you go.

[Joe]

They fired T And Cleveland.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cuz they wanted T L to take T. L said, man, I'm trying to win. You got to go. T. Lou ain't about. No.

[Joe Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

I could have told him that, right?

[Unknown Male Host]

Hold on, Uncle Joe. Hey, if you own a team, right, and you know, they know and they understand that you're in a contract here, and in order to get your numbers, you have to play well, do they take that into account if you're still going to be on that team and still pay you anyway because they decided to tank?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. No. Hell no.

[Unknown Male Host]

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[Joe]

I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, Ocho, you know sometimes how you might finish. Let's just say we got the division, we got the thing sold up, we got number one seed, and we bent you and you two catches or you 20 yards. Yeah. They might go ahead and give you that money because you would have got it.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause I would be raising hell like, hold up, bro. You bench me and I'm two catches and 40 yards away from a million dollars.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

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[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey.

[Joe]

If y' all don't give me that money, I'm dressing up.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey. With situation like that, because I know. I think we've talked about it before. I know both of y' all probably been in those situations to where, you know, you probably had incentives that you was trying to meet at the end of the season. Do you talk to your quarterback about that? Like, hey, man, I need. I need four catches. I need 60 yards a day.

[Joe]

Joe had I, you know, hey, I'd have four 1,000 yard season. I didn't. But I didn't really. I was never. I never really, like, gotten to the quarterback ears or coordinator, tried to throw the ball, bro. Y' all know what I can do on the team. Give me the damn ball. And we lost that game. Oh, Joe. We was up 30 to 13. We lost 30, 13 at the half. We end up losing the overtime. 33, 30. I ain't catch another pass. Go look up, go look up. 1993, the last game of the season. See how many passes I caught at the, at the half. I think I had six for a buck, six buck 15 and two tubs and then catch another pass and we end up blowing a 17 point lead.

[Joe Ocho]

Damn. How that happened? How you that's what I don't understand, you know what I mean? It's like when you see a guy got got it going, you know what I mean? Like damn. Hey, every time we throwing the ball, he getting out of there. He, he making something happen.

[Joe]

He up that my homeboy burning him. Eddie Anderson was when he went to the valley I caught, I caught a silver route he was chasing but had the ball back like this here he reached for it. I going in the end though, Chad What I have 1993 Last game of the season Oakland Raiders Denver Broncos Amazon

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Hey, Joe, you know, you know, back then when you play the Raiders, they're gonna be right in your face.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Host]

You knew exactly what's coming right in your face. All game long. All you got to do is get open.

[Joe]

Cooked them so bad, they went and paid Albert Lewis top, top, top dollar money because he's the only one at that point in time that was giving me a problem.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Nobody. I was blissing everybody. Didn't matter. Your first corner, your best safety, your best linebacker. Nobody was doing nothing with 84 back then. I had to work a little harder, but I gave him that work, too.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, Yeah, I gave him that work, too.

[Joe]

I think I dropped 10 for a buck 42 on him. A little something on Monday night.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, Monday night. Hey, the Monday night game. A guy trying to show their ass like they man.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Cause I knew everybody watching.

[Unknown Male Host]

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[Joe]

I did, actually, at that time, Mad man was on Fox, okay. Al Michaels and Dan Deardorf was Monday night, I think Boomer size and. Yeah, on Monday night also. But at that point in time, yeah, Summer all. Rest his soul, Pat Summer Summerall and John Madden. They were Fox.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, I like Boomer.

[Joe]

Oh, you like Boomer size?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, he'd be having some. He'd be having some dope fans. That, that, that'd be the thing for me.

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[Joe]

Huh? You like Romo?

[Unknown Male Host]

I like Romo simply for the fact that he's played the game so well and studied it so much, obviously playing quarterback. I like how he calls out the plays and tell you what's going to happen before it happen. And 99.9% of the time, he. He's always right because he's seen it before. And I'm not just Cowboys game. I'm just talking about games he's calling in general. Yeah, it's fun. It's funny watching him. Some people say they don't even like Romo.

[Joe]

I. I don't know why, but yeah, we had to. Dick Ember called. Some Dick Ember called a lot of my games because he was on NBC at the time. And the AFC package was on NBC at the time. But everybody gave. Everybody gave it up. NBC had the. NBC had the AFC package. They gave it up. CBS got it back. CBS had the. Had the NFC package. They gave it up. That's how Fox came in and got it. Because, like, you know, back up saying, fox, Fox, guess what? Fox had Martin, the Simpsons in Living color and Fox News.

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[Joe]

Oh, my. Hey, you run to see it in Living Color.

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[Joe Ocho]

Hell, yeah. Come on, man.

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[Joe]

Yeah, Marshall Bill.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

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[Joe]

Think about all the comedians that came out of that.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Stars David Allen, Greer, Tommy Davidson, Jamie Fox. Jamie Fox, Jim Carrey. You got Damon Wayans, Sean Keenan. Keenan did comedy early, but he had really, by that time, he had turned into a writer. He was doing more writing than do actually doing stand up. But think about all the guys that came up out of there. Yeah.

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[Joe]

That was. That was Damon Wayans and, uh. And, uh, David out of grill.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. That damn home. That damn. Homie, don't play that.

[Joe]

Over the cloud. Homie, don't play that. Hey, hey, can you. Can I smash it so you won't be. Hey, so you want me to fall down and hurt myself to your amusement? Homie, don't play that. Can I smash this pie in your face? Oh, so you want to humiliate me in front of all these people? He take the pie, hit him in his face. Homie, don't play that.

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[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

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[Joe Ocho]

Hey, they don't make shows like that no more, bro.

[Joe]

We used to have some good shows. We don't we. Hey, we done got too conscious where you. Hey, that stuff that Martin used to do with Mr. McAfee when he had that big old boot.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Come here, boy.

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[Joe]

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[Joe Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Nah, you can't.

[Unknown Male Host]

That was classic TV.

[Joe]

You can't. You can't. Like I said, in the 70s, Joe, they used to say the N word with the er.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Really?

[Joe]

No, G8. It was er. The things that.

[Joe Ocho]

The.

[Joe]

The sitcoms. You go back and look at Archie Ball in the family, and you look at the Jeffersons, and you look at some of those sitcoms, and I. You know, it's like. But you didn't think about it back then, right? It didn't even dawn on me that it was like, oh, okay. And now you like. Golly, man, look how they talk. They made fun of it. It wasn't nothing. Off limits.

[Unknown Male Host]

Oh, everything.

[Joe]

Whatever. They made fun of you.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I was like, oh, God.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, Joe, you ever. You ever seen all in the Family?

[Joe Ocho]

All in the Family. And Aaron. Sound familiar?

[Joe]

Ojo Arch with Carol. With Archie Bunker.

[Unknown Male Host]

Archie Bunker.

[Joe Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, boy, he spawned a lot of shows. Hey, I mean, you think about all those shows. Mod came after that. Golden Girls.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Jefferson's. There are a lot of shows.

[Joe Ocho]

Oh, Golden Girl from that.

[Joe]

Hey, Rob Reiner, rest his soul, who tragically lost his life. His son killed him. He was. He was meathead. That was. That was his son in law.

[Joe Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

Yeah, he became. He became a great writer. He wrote When Harry Met Sally things. I think he wrote A Few Good Men also.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, that was a phenomenal, phenomenal, well written movie, boy.

[Joe]

A Few Good Men.

[Unknown Male Host]

Oh, my goodness.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, recite that thing one time. Recite that thing one time, Joy.

[Joe]

Right. See, Joe ain't ready for that.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, hey, Show Joe. Hit Joe. Hey, wait. Why? Hey, he finna hit it. Denzel Washington.

[Joe Ocho]

Okay? Hey, look, he off there, the 48 tonight.

[Joe]

Y' all want that party at. You want answers? I think I'm entitled to him. You want answers? I want the truth. You can handle the truth, son. We live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's going to do it? You? You? Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You reap for Santiago. You curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. My appearance, grotesque and incomprehensible to you, save lives. You don't want the truth cut deep down in places at parties you don't talk about. You want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor code, loyalty. We Use these words of a backbone, of a lifetime spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I haven't the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of freedom that I provide and then question the matter in which I provided. I'd rather you said, thank you, it went on your way, or pick a weapon up at standing post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. Did you order the Code Red? I did my job. Did you order the Code Red? You damn right I did.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Boy, you got that down pack, don't you, man?

[Joe]

Ah, let's go. You know how many times I went to see that in the movie? I probably saw that movie 50 times in the movie.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, hey, in that scene. That's that scene right there in that courtroom. One of the best ever. One of the best scenes ever.

[Joe Ocho]

I see somebody in the chat said family matters.

[Unknown Male Host]

Oh, yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

[Joe]

Family Matters with. With Urkel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, it used to be some good

[Joe]

shows, bro, back in the day.

[Joe Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Unknown Male Host]

Really good.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey.

[Unknown Male Host]

Oh, hey, Joe. You remember Small Wonder?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, I remember Small, wonderful Punky Brewster. Yeah, you remember Full House?

[Unknown Male Host]

Oh, yeah, Full House, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. I used to watch all that, bro.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah. Hey, I bet you remember Fraggle Rock,

[Joe]

Conjunction Junction. What's your function?

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, what about alf? Used to watch.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, Willie.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey. Matter of fact. Hi, baby. My. My daughter Kenny Kennedy's watching. She has school tomorrow. I know school is almost over and out for the summer, but there's no reason you should be up this time of night. Daddy love you. Okay, now go to bed.

[Joe]

Whoever saw the movie Malice? Malice with Alec Baldwin and Nicole Kidman, you saw it.

[Unknown Male Host]

I ain't see that. I ain't see.

[Joe Ocho]

I ain't seen that one when he

[Joe]

had the God complex.

[Unknown Male Host]

Oh, I gotta. I gotta catch. I gotta. I gotta check that out. It was good.

[Joe]

Like, I have an MD from Harvard. I am board certified in cardiothoracic medicine and trauma surgery. I received seven times citation from different. Hello. I received seven different citation from New England medical boards. And I'm never ever sick at sea. So you ask, when someone goes into that chapel and they fall on their knees, that their wife doesn't miscarry, that their daughter doesn't bleed to death or their mother doesn't suffer post operative shock, who do you think they're praying to? When you go to church. And you read your Bible, Dennis. And with a little luck, you might win the annual raffle. But if you're looking for God, he was in the operating room number two on November 17, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. So you ask if I have a God complex. I am God. For a sideshow. It's over.

[Unknown Male Host]

That boy good.

[Joe Ocho]

That boy be locked in with the boy good. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, what we talking about, man? But I'm saying, I used to go to movies all the time. I like to go to movies. And if something like that right there.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm going back again. I will go back again. And I'm gonna go back again.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then I'm learned that part. Yeah, I'm good.

[Unknown Male Host]

But that Jack, hey, Jack was special, boy. Jack, Jack, Jack. Jack was special.

[Joe]

No, he. He was a. A Few Good men. As Good As It Gets.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Have you seen with Greg Canary and as Good As It Gets? Yeah, he was in another movie, obviously. He was in the first Joker, first Batman. What was that other. Oh, here's Johnny shining. Yeah, yeah, he hit that dope coming. There's Johnny.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, you remember. I know, I know. You saw Glory, Joe. You saw Glory.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, I seen Glory.

[Joe]

Glory.

[Unknown Male Host]

Denzel, Morgan Freeman. Yeah, some really, really good scenes. And, And Glory. Daniel Day Lewis. And There Will Be Blood.

[Joe]

There Will Be Blood. He drank the milkshake.

[Unknown Male Host]

Collect. Collect. That, that scene in that book in that little bowling alley.

[Joe]

Yeah, he.

[Unknown Male Host]

And that. That's my, that's my favorite actor.

[Joe Ocho]

Man.

[Unknown Male Host]

I. I wish, I wish I could meet Daniel Day Lewis, man.

[Joe]

Man, that joke. Hey, that Jack, when he played that first Batman, he get that newspaper. He looks up wing fing terrorize the city. Where did they get a load of me? I did. On the sideline. I said NFL fields. They came and I just scored a touchdown on somebody. I forget who I scored a touchdown on. And I said, brother sets NFL record. Where did they get a load of me?

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[Joe]

According to Ira Weiderman, the Miami Heat could pivot to Kawhi Leonard or John Morant if they lose in the Giannis sweepstakes. Joe, would you rather have Yanis or would you rather have Kawhi or JA in Miami?

[Joe Ocho]

I'm going Kawhi, man. Kawhi just coming off, I think statistically his best, his best season. And like we always talk about bro, the heat, culture and how Pat Riley is, I think they'll have him. They'll have him right down there.

[Joe]

He gonna be able to practice all that?

[Joe Ocho]

Joe yeah, yeah, yeah. He ain't gonna have no damn choice.

[Joe]

Well, he never leak Hawaii alone. What'd you Say, Ocho. Joe, it is hard. That man has not been on a regular practice schedule since 2018.

[Joe Ocho]

Oh, he gonna have to get on when he come to Miami.

[Joe]

I'm just saying. Joe, do you know, Joe, think about it, Joe, you got. Think about it. You own your schedule. You've been on your own schedule since 2018. Use on your schedule in. In. In Toronto. You've been on your schedule at the Clippers. And to go after you got in quiet, probably, what, 33, 34 years of age. Joe, I would believe you if you say the man 26, 27. I say, okay, but Joe, I don't know, Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

Man, they got. Hey, hey, they got some dogs over there. Great weather. You hear me? Great weather. Great, great environment. I can see him, you know, be being ready, mentally prepared, you know, to come in and really do whatever he can to help their team get over the hump. I think Kawhi is a hell of a pickup, if you ask me.

[Joe]

He is, Joe, but they gonna have to meet him. You already gonna put some. Joe, you know, Joe, you know the schedule. Uncle Dennis. Uncle Dennis was telling teams what it's gonna be. You know, you heard you was in the league.

[Joe Ocho]

I heard Uncle Dennis ain't. That's over with. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

You come to Miami, you go there. Joe, he got. Hey, uncle, did it, mapped it out.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What it gonna be?

[Joe Ocho]

All this under the. All this under the table stuff that y' all got going down there in la, it ain't happening out here in Miami, man. I'll just let you know. Yeah, they ain't. Ain't going. They ain't going.

[Unknown Male Host]

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[Joe]

Joe, let me ask you a question. You want kawhi for 60, 65 games or you want it for 30? 45 game? Cause you making practice, you know what you're gonna get? The knees can't take it.

[Joe Ocho]

Oh, we gonna do a thorough investigation on his body, make sure he right. But we gonna. We need his ass to. We. They gonna need his ass to practice. You know what I mean? He can make that 65 game threshold. He can do it. He can do it. I think he already. Look, look, even when you look at him, he already in elite shape. I mean, he, he, he's a guy who really take care. He looked like he really take care of his body, bro. So.

[Joe]

Yeah, but he got the knees over 55. His knees might be worse than mine.

[Joe Ocho]

Well, they, hey, hey, they got a nice conditioning program over there to keep him strong throughout the season. Make sure he good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't go over there playing no damn, 30, 35 games a season. Now, come on.

[Joe]

I'm just trying to be honest with you, Joe. I'm just trying to get you to temper your expectations.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, no, bro, but hey, look, because I, I mean, I want to see Jack go somewhere else. I wouldn't mind seeing John in Miami, but damn, they ain't gonna be the. They ain't going to be able to get both of them.

[Unknown Male Host]

Should me like, why?

[Joe]

And my thing is, Joe, at this point, and the clip is going a little bad. Like, hold on. I don't know how the Clippers let him go because he's the only superstar that you got and you just built a two billion dollar arena. So how do you let him go? Who they gonna come see?

[Joe Ocho]

They got. They got the number. They got the number 5 pick in this draft. I think, I think the Clippers just gonna really.

[Joe]

Number five pick LeBron James.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, is that number five pick Cooper Flag?

[Unknown Male Host]

Nope.

[Joe]

Is that number five pick Michael Jordan? It's got to be somebody they gonna want to see, Joe.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, do you know he better be Shaq. Well, he's Shaq. If the number five pick. You're gonna be Shaq.

[Unknown Male Host]

Whoever the number five pick is, is not gonna fill out arena every night they play.

[Joe]

No.

[Unknown Male Host]

And I'm not Saying it in a disrespect, disrespectful way. Listen, some people will come see him. I talk about filling arena every single night.

[Joe Ocho]

This the problem you have. If you keep Kawhi too damn long, you ain't gonna be able to get rid of him. You know, he still got some great value in him right now that I think some teams could use, and he can. He can help them, you know, get. Get to the finals, if not win a title. But you keep him too. You keep him too much longer, Uncle Oo here you ain't you. You gonna be stuck like Chuck. It's over with.

[Joe]

Yeah, I still want to put some. Put some butts and sees Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

Well, hey, you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to get it through the draft and build up over the next couple years. I'm sorry, I don't know what to

[Joe]

tell you, because at the end of the day, as much as I love those guards, you know who they come in to see in San Antonio? Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. And I think those guards are phenomenal. And that's not. And respectfully as I say, this castle is phenomenal. Dylan Harper is going to be great. I like Basale. I like everything about him. But they're coming to see the alien.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely right?

[Joe]

You go to the circuit, there's only a few animals you want to see. You wait. I mean, when you go to the zoo, what you going to see? I'm going to see lions, lions, tigers, gorillas, snakes.

[Joe Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

Now, if I happen to walk by and see a polar bear, that's fine. If I see the giraffe or I see the zebras.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, cool, too. Yeah.

[Joe]

But you know what you're going to see. And you go see those first. I'm gonna go, where the elephants at? Excuse me, sir. Where the elephants? Hey, I was gonna see the line. Normally, the time that I go, them lazy mofos sleeping.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah, you better hope the lines out. They so lazy.

[Joe]

They lazy. Hey, they sleeping. I' ma go see. Hey, I'm gonna go see the silverbacks.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, you know, hey, I got a little time. I might check out the. Go inside the enclosure and see the hip. The hippos.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

See a rhinoceros here or there, and then I'm gonna go see the snakes, try to catch them at feeding time. That's it. That's why. I mean, hey, if you're lucky enough, I think they. We've had to ship them all back. You go see the pandas, the Kids love to see the pandas. Yeah, get the little stuffed animals that are pandas. You get to go see the pandas. Like, oh, they're cute and cuddly. They tear your ass up. But then people don't realize they're just cute in color. They black and white. But don't let that black and white fool you. They take your ass up.

[Joe Ocho]

Hell yeah. Hey, hey, my little one. My little one ain't before. Boy, he love them gorillas.

[Joe]

Boy, the silver back.

[Joe Ocho]

He loved them gorillas.

[Joe]

Boy, you see them jokers. I'm talking about all muscle. I'm talking about 400 pounds of all muscle. 400 pounds, Ocho Joe with a 2,000 pound bench.

[Joe Ocho]

Damn.

[Unknown Male Host]

And don't forget now, not too long ago, there was dialogue going on about 100 people versus one gorilla.

[Joe]

Well, I'll tell you what, I want to be the 101. So hopefully 99 has wounded to beat him down so much. But hey, I'm not in the first 10 or 15. Yeah, no, because the first 10 gonna catch it.

[Joe Ocho]

You gonna catch hell.

[Joe]

You see, they bite. And with a bite force of probably a thousand pounds of pressure, man, you. They bite your arm clean off.

[Unknown Male Host]

Clean bite. They'll snatch your arm clean off.

[Joe]

Yes. And beat you over and beat the next man over the head with it. So I want no part of it.

[Unknown Male Host]

That was a good time. That was a good time with them people saying they could take on the gorilla. Boy, that was a good time.

[Joe]

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Joe Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

The Wings beat the defending champ, aces, Paige Beckers. Az Fudd both went off rookie. Az Fudd started, scored 22 points. Paige Beckers 20 points. Jessica shepherd, she had 22 points, a career high, 20 rebounds and 10 assists. Joe, we talked about this. We saw them the other night against the Liberty. They played really well. They had that three guard lineup they had. Az did not start, but she came in and she had 17 in the. In the. In the third quarter. Yeah, and she ended up with 24. Paige had 24. They. They still have a phenomenal player in enrique.

[Joe Ocho]

But a 2020. Who had a 2020 hunk?

[Joe]

I'm looking for Jessica Shepherd. She had 22 points, a career high. 20 rebounds, 10 assists. So again, they had three guys, three young ladies. I keep there they had three women with 20 plus points. I mean, and you know Paige Beckers, she was number one overall pick two years ago. Az Fudd was the number one overdraft pick this year. Hey, they're exciting to watch. They can get the ball up and down they can shoot the three. They got three guys that can handle the ball.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. I told you I wouldn't. I wouldn't watch them play against the Dream. They didn't. They didn't. They didn't have a good out. And they got. They got drug against the Atlanta Dream. They took him out. But ever since then, I've been keeping up, and they. They've been bta.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. They ain't been playing. They ain't been playing. You know, it take a little while for them to kind of, you know, figure them things out.

[Joe]

Yeah. Age, October.

[Joe Ocho]

They made it.

[Joe]

Carter still playing. Unbelievable. She's playing unbelievable basketball. Six of 11 tonight. Two or four from the three, six, 11 from the floor.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. Jackie Young and Asia, they kind of scored 15.

[Joe]

Chelsea, they shot 44%. They got beat on the glass, but

[Joe Ocho]

you know, the Aces, bro, they gonna pick it up. They, they, they. They gonna be there.

[Joe]

They beat them. They beat them. Joe. Rick. Rick ain't score before. At one point, you know, what was nine to 15? Paige was eight of 18. Jessica Shepard, eight of 13.

[Joe Ocho]

I wonder. It seemed like when I watched them play the Dallas Wings, it's like, boom. Okay. That's her name. That's how you say it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

She don't really get Enrique. She don't really get the. She don't really get. Yeah, she don't really get the. The looks that she's normally been getting. And I know it's because of Paige and. And the. Yeah. Az. Foot, but she can. She can go, man. She can.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, she could. Oh, yes, I see.

[Unknown Male Host]

I seen her play. Who was she with? When I went to watch the Atlanta Dream and she was on the other

[Joe Ocho]

team, she had to be with Dallas.

[Unknown Male Host]

Hey, when she was with Dallas, I came on the show that night. She was the first person I mentioned. Well, she would get into it, Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

She moved like a dude out there,

[Unknown Male Host]

and she was getting to it.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And they got Odyssey Sims, who can handle ball, who the point guard. The national championship. A national championship team at Baylor with Kim Mulkey and Gumawale. Hey, she can. She can go.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, girls.

[Joe]

But it's gonna take them a while to. To get. To get. To get their little. They get their little rhythm back. They still got a little. What you call them. They'll pick it up. Becky get. Becky are like, hey, look here. What y' all doing? Right? Y' all coming here, just going through the most. Y' all ain't trying to win. Y' all ain't trying to repeat Y' all seem to be really, really complacent. Y' all got this big money. Oh, so I see what it is now. Y' all done got these million dollar contracts. Y' all ain't hungry no more.

[Joe Ocho]

There you go. There you go. Hey, hey, hey. Yeah.

[Joe]

You see, this is what they tried to say. This is why they tried to suppress you for so long. You guys done got fat like the movie. You say, boy, you don't got on that hog, huh? Yeah. Yeah. You ain't hungry no more.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. They gonna have to get it together. They're gonna have to get it together.

[Joe]

Y' all need to fix it. Don't need to fix it.

[Joe Ocho]

And.

[Joe]

So. But congratulations to the Dallas wings. Jessica Shepherd. 22 points, 20 rebounds, 26. That's a hell of a. That is a hell of a triple double for a lady.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

That is crazy. Crazy.

[Joe Ocho]

Let's see what

[Joe]

Becker's at 20. FUD had 22. I mean, I mean, all they do is Yukon. All they do is produce number ones.

[Joe Ocho]

Boy, they so sick with it.

[Joe]

Sarah Strong gonna be a number one when she comes out.

[Joe Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

Bud was number one. Beckers was number one. Tina Charles was number one. Maya Moore was number one. Stewie was number one. Tarazi was number one. Was Sue Bird number one or was she number two?

[Joe Ocho]

I don't know. I know she was up there, though.

[Joe]

Damn. Let that sink in. Suberg. Tarazi, Charles Moore, Stewie Beckers fud.

[Joe Ocho]

I know he got a hell of a system now.

[Joe]

He.

[Joe Ocho]

He producing. He producing them out of there.

[Joe]

Each one teach one. Former WNBA first round pick Haley Van Lith has been waived by the Connecticut Suns. Van lith only played nine games for the sun, but she was averaging 8.1, shooting 49 from the floor, and she was shooting like 40 something percent from the three point line, playing only 17 minutes. This is less than a month after she was waived by the Chicago Sky Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

And she got some game, bro. Little lefty, she nice.

[Joe]

I'm like, what's really going on?

[Unknown Male Host]

Is she injured?

[Joe]

Nah.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Host]

Coming off any type of injury, especially

[Joe Ocho]

for someone ocho, she'd have been cut by two teams over the past two months. Yes.

[Unknown Male Host]

Something is happening. Something is happening. Something internally that we don't know about. And that the only thing I can think about, to get cut, to be drafted as high as you were and to get cut by two teams in, you know, a couple of months, it got to be. It got to be something.

[Joe Ocho]

I can see if she was just, you know, stiff or something and couldn't play. This girl can play.

[Joe]

She's gotta be a rotational player with those kind of numbers. Joe, in 17 minutes she giving you eight points shooting 49% from the floor. I think she's shooting 40 plus percent from the three. And you mean to tell me the people that you have on your roster are that much better than her that you can't find no playing time, right?

[Joe Ocho]

That's hard to believe, bro.

[Unknown Male Host]

Something, right?

[Joe Ocho]

Because she's nice. I'm talking about for real, Ocho. She can play, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah she can. And she just need the right a guy tweeted at this point I have to wonder there's some level of bias of politics involved in WNBA teams. Haley Van Lith is a legitimate rotational guard who can contribute and compete and bring actual fan interest to the floor. In a league that struggles times with offensively offensive consistency and much must watch moments, it makes zero sense to move on from a player who brings visibility, energy and engagement. Like I said, if she's averaging one point a game, I get you. But she's averaging eight points a game. So basically she's scoring like a point every two minutes.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, I don't know man. You know, when you behind the scenes, you don't really know what's going on. Whether it's an attitude, whatever it is. But that just don't make no sense to me, bro.

[Joe]

00 sense.

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