Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers Fans Split on Mike McCarthy Hire? + LeBron Back to Cleveland?

Summary

Nightcap — Deebo & Joe, Part 1: Steelers Fans Split on Mike McCarthy Hire? + LeBron Back to Cleveland?

Date: July 10, 2026
Hosts: James 'Deebo' Harrison & Joe Hayden
Podcast by: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of Nightcap, NFL legends James “Deebo” Harrison and Joe Hayden dissect hot topics in both the NFL and NBA. The show’s main focus is the polarizing reaction among Steelers fans to the Mike McCarthy hire and speculation about LeBron James and his son Bronny potentially returning to Cleveland. The hosts, both former Steelers, offer behind-the-scenes player insights, fan perspectives, and candid takes on what it takes to create a winning football environment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The LeBron & Bronny to Cleveland Rumor

[04:32 - 10:18]

• Deebo shares inside info that LeBron and Bronny could return to the Cleveland Cavaliers:

  • "Someone who reached out to me…said, I got a little word on the street for you, Bron and Bronny back to Cleveland." (Deebo, 04:44)
  • Joe admits he hasn't got his 'ear to the streets' recently but trusts Deebo’s inside source.

• Joe’s take:

  • "Bron can do whatever Bron wants…I'm interested in Bron going back to the land or Bron going back to the Heat. It makes the most sense." (Joe, 06:03)
  • Discusses the narrative variety: Cleveland for the hometown storyline, Miami for easier championships.

• Both agree that LeBron still brings championship value, wherever he goes.

  • "Bron, you’re addition and you’re being able to get a little older…I'm still Bron. I still give you 20 and 10 when I wake up…" (Joe, 07:29)
  • Joe would "sit James Harden" for LeBron in a hypothetical.

• Heat vs. Cavs: Joe acknowledges Miami might make for an easier title run but wants LeBron in Cleveland for the story and chances of a championship.

• Memorable exchange:

  • "Being able to play not only with his son in LA, that was cool... then bringing him back to the crib where he's from…I'm here for it." (Joe, 06:59)

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2. Steelers Fans Divided on Mike McCarthy Hire

[10:19 - 24:54]

• Deebo and Joe review results from a Steelers fan survey about Mike McCarthy’s hiring as head coach:

  • The respondents are nearly evenly split: ≈30% agree, ≈30% neutral, ≈30% disagree, with small percentages strongly agree/disagree.
  • Deebo initially disagreed with the hire:
    • "If I would have asked you at the very beginning, you went from a damn strongly disagree to…like, won me over, you know." (Joe, 11:59)
    • “He won me over…after I sat down and talked to myself, realized this really means something to him.” (Deebo, 12:12)

• Candidate breakdowns (fan preferences in the survey):

  • Top options were Shula (24.2%), McCarthy (22.4%), Shieldhouse (21%), Flores (19.9%)—all close.
  • No candidate had consensus support, illustrating a divided fanbase.

• Discussion on numbers vs. narrative:

  • "Numbers don't lie…But it's a no because it don't tell the full story…coaching, scheme, game plan…ultimately if that better version…can add more wins or losses." (Deebo, 13:51)

• Why Mike McCarthy?

  • Offers experience, strong hires at coordinator/position coach roles, and focus on quarterback development.

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3. Quarterback Play and Coaching as Key Factors

[24:10 - 28:41]

• Hosts debate why the Steelers haven’t won a playoff game since 2017; survey offered fans: QB play, coaching, ownership/management, or other.
  • Joe: Blames a combination of QB, coaching, and defense, but says it’s "33%, 33%, 33%" if defense is included.
  • Deebo: "I'm not go—I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. I believe it to be coaching." (Deebo, 26:40)
  • Joe highlights "flowiness" during the Tomlin era—a lack of tight accountability, especially for certain star players, which led to inconsistency.
  • "There was just a looseness, you know what I'm saying? That was just going around. And that looseness is a reason where errors come in..." (Joe, 32:38)
  • Deebo on Tomlin’s early impact and later decline: “From 2000, I'd say 15. He has been the greatest hindrance to our progress…”

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4. Team Culture and Accountability ("Flowness")

[32:38 - 44:56]

• In-depth analysis of “flowy” team culture:
  • Looseness in standards led to diminished accountability and discipline.
  • "I tolerate you till I could replace you. That is a bad thing." (Deebo, 33:24)
  • Joe: "Just has to be…accountability…Everything needs to be tight."
• Comparison to New England’s strict environment: even Tom Brady rushing to meetings.
• Both agree: Coaches must enforce consistent standards—across rookies and veterans—with only minor earned exceptions.

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5. Steelers’ Quarterback Room and Franchise Future

[45:17 - 48:29]

• Poll results on QB depth:
  • Most fans want to keep Aaron Rodgers, Will Howard, Drew Aller; agree with hosts that drafted QBs deserve evaluation.
• Who is next franchise QB?
  • 52% say 2027 first-round pick; neither host can yet stake their claim on drafted rookies until they’ve seen more.

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6. Aaron Donald Comeback Rumor & Position Technique Banter

[48:29 - 53:55]

• Viral video of Aaron Donald working out with Steelers’ Jaquan Brisker:
  • Deebo and Joe laugh about using D-line hand techniques as a safety.
  • Deebo: "If you go in there trying to do them moves right there on one of them linemen, they go toss you out the club." (Deebo, 50:21)
• Speculation if Donald would return:
  • "AD ain't coming back, man." (Deebo, 53:55)
  • Both agree he's satisfied with his career and doesn't need to return for more.

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7. NFL Wide Receiver Market—Is the Bag Too Big?

[54:15 - 59:16]

• Anonymous AFC exec questions sky-high wide receiver contracts; e.g., JSN’s $42M/year double the top RB salary.
• Joe is adamant:
  • "Nope. Never. Bags never too big." (Joe, 55:17)
  • "I'm never going to take down anybody getting bread." (Joe, 55:22)
  • Explains natural salary escalation with the cap, market resets, and compares to NBA contracts.
• Memorable:
  • "Quarterbacks…making 35 to 65 million dollars a year. Now the other guys…just going to be what it is." (Joe, 57:56)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• LeBron rumors:
  • "The business never really knows where LeBron is moving. The streets do." (Deebo, 05:12)
• Steelers culture:
  • "There was just a looseness...where errors come in...has to be tight." (Joe, 32:38)
  • "If the standard…is not the standard, it's flowy." (Deebo, 43:43)
• Money talk:
  • "Bags never too big. Bags never too big." (Joe, 55:17)
  • "If your numbers are…in that top 10…that's 40 some million dollars a year franchise." (Deebo, 60:24)
• Coaching accountability:
  • "I tolerate you till I could replace you. That is a bad thing." (Deebo, 33:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• LeBron/Bronny rumor, Cleveland speculation: 04:32 – 10:18
• Steelers hire survey/Mike McCarthy debate: 10:19 – 24:54
• QB play, coaching, and playoff woes: 24:10 – 28:41
• Team culture/accountability – “flowy”: 32:38 – 44:56
• QB room, future franchise prospects: 45:17 – 48:29
• Aaron Donald workout/comeback talk: 48:29 – 53:55
• Wide receiver contracts/banking in the NFL: 54:15 – 59:16

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Tone & Style

The hosts’ language is casual, direct, and often laced with inside jokes, nostalgia, and locker-room candor. Deebo and Joe seamlessly blend analysis with personal experience, making the episode accessible to die-hard fans and casual listeners alike.

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Overall, this episode offers honest, insider perspectives on shifting NFL culture, high-stakes personnel moves, and the ever-changing economics of pro sports, all with a generous dose of humor and camaraderie. Nightcap continues to deliver late-night sports talk as only real legends can.

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[Joe Hayden]

Brother Debo, I am doing great. We had our music going. You got the crazy Stillers hat. You coming on last minute with it. You waiting until we got two minutes and then you pop off with the crazy hat. So I'm feeling good. I'm back in studio. I'm home, everybody. Everything is feeling. Everything's feeling great. This Friday is feeling good.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. Feeling real good, baby. I can't lie to you. You know what I'm saying? I told you my hat game is impeccable.

[Joe Hayden]

You know the hat game is strong.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes. Super strong. Super strong. Super strong.

[Joe Hayden]

You know I'm still coming with new or you know I'm coming with new. Matter of fact, matter of fact.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Why you, why you? Why you got some. Some new heat on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, New heat on. I wanna, I wanna peep game on with the streets. Talking about over here. About what?

[Joe Hayden]

The street's talking about LeBron and Bronny.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, listen. Someone who reached out to me in the past and was right about LeBron breaking his hand before anybody else had it, 2018 NBA Finals, before anybody else had it, hit me with it. And he was right. Reached out to me yesterday and late last night and said, I got, I got a little word on the street for you, Brian and Bronnie back to Cleveland. And he was he more confident in

[Joe Hayden]

the breaking of the hand or is he more confident?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Exactly the same. And the one thing's for sure, the business never really knows where LeBron is moving. The streets do. Yeah,

[Joe Hayden]

do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, hey, Joe with the with what the streets talking about that supposed to be your land. The land's supposed to be your land. Yo, what is your ear to the streets? What's going on?

[Joe Hayden]

Listen, I ain't been in the streets as much lately, Devo. I've been. You know what I'm saying? I've been traveling. I've been in the streets of Virginia. You know what I'm saying? These, these. So I ain't been in the streets as much in the land. I haven't been. My. My ear is into the streets as much. I've been out of the way. I haven't been in the loop as much. But all I'm saying is if he. That I know one thing I know, my good man, he be in the streets. He's in Cleveland.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He's in.

[Joe Hayden]

And if they talking about him coming back to the land with Bronny, I'm listening. The two things I was saying is Bron can do whatever Bron wants to do, but I'm interested in Bron going back to the land or Bron going back to the Heat. It makes the most sense. It makes the most sense. So him going back to the lane they have all of their team is already made it to. They show that they have potential to already make it there.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We didn't.

[Joe Hayden]

We weren't big enough for New York, but we. Bron, additional to any team, is going to add and not subtract. So if he can go back to the team, going back to the land, wanting to do the Fon swan song, bring Bronny back, Being able to play not only with his son in la, that was cool. That was fire. That was unbelievable. Then bringing him back to. To the crib where he's from. From the streets where LeBron, he was watching his son, where he was watching his dad play. He was holding him as a child back in the day.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

Watching his dad play out there dunking, it's a baby. He couldn't even hold the ball all the way. You know what I'm saying? So I'm here for it, for LeBron to come back. Not only just because he. It's not like there's a chance there. There's still a chance for the Cavs to win a ship with Bron going there. So it's not like he's just going just. Oh, we're going to be asked. No, no, no, we're still nice. Bron, you're additional and you're being able to get a little older. You can be able to handle the Ball you saw with him and Luka, he's been able to get into the role of night. All right, Bet. I'm gonna go ahead back down, chill a little bit. When y' all need me, I'm here. I'm still Braun. I still give you 20 and 10. When I wake up in the. When I wake up in the morning, if you need me to go get

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

fresh out of bed 12.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? I can still do it, so. I would love it. I would love it. I'm here for it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I got one more.

[Joe Hayden]

I got one more what?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

One more question. Just one more question. Who you sitting down?

[Joe Hayden]

James. James Harden. James Harden.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. All right. I ain't got nothing else to say. I got nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? Right there. Boom. Good. We're good to go.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. Yeah, let's go. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Then at the same time, if he could. So then if Braun. The other option, though, is for the. Is the Heat. I think those are the top two options for Braun. Yes. Why? Why not? That's a mob with Giannis out there with what's my man Bam.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Ah, I forgot. I forgot about Giannis. I forgot about that.

[Joe Hayden]

I forgot Giannis.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

They have mob over there.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

They got squad, and they still got Pat Riley over there running stuff so they can know he knows what parts they would need to get. You know what I'm saying? They got a Mitchell Young. Mitchell is over there, too. At the point. Their squad is five and Bobby Portis. So, I mean, Miami Heat is looking good. Cavs.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I think Cash got a better chance. Which one? Which one? Which one are you taking?

[Joe Hayden]

Taking out of my fandom?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, I think it's what you're taking. The Heat or the cast?

[Joe Hayden]

If LeBron went to the Heat, I think it would be. It would be a problem for the league for sure. If he goes to the Cavs, I think it's. It's not. It's not as much of. We can still. We're still going to be championship contenders. We can still win the ship with the Cavs, but I think if it's the Heat, it's more e. It's an easier path.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's why you came with the Heat jersey on, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, I came with the Heat. I came with the Heat jersey on because this is the new Shaquille o' Neal jump that I got.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm just saying. You got.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm trying to keep. I'm trying to keep my jersey game up the way you keeping your hat game up. So that's the reason, you know.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. You know, I'm just saying, Joe, I was feeling some sort of maybe subliminal. Hey, you know. No, that's all I was saying.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, look, I could be wrong.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I could be wrong, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I could be wrong. I want him to go to the cast first. If the streets is talking and the people that know it as Braun know what's going on with Bron. Please. Come on. Come on, bro. Yeah, to the land. Back on to the land.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Back to the land.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, Bronnie.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, bring him. Hey, hey, bring him on home, man. Yeah, yeah. Closing on out of the crib, man. Go ahead. Ain't nothing wrong.

[Joe Hayden]

Sign me up.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, the Athletics, they did a. They did a Stiller survey, I guess, and some of the. Some of the questions on here, I guess the first one here is, you know, if people agreed with the move of hiring Mike McCarthy, and it ain't that many people on the thing, it's like 1800.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You still get a sample size, I guess. Joe, do you agree or. Or disagree with this? For the most part, it looks like people were kind of split. I would say 30 something that agreed or agreed strongly. A total of 30 something. It was 30 something neutral, and then another 30 that disagreed. It was 8% that strongly disagree, 5.4% that strongly agree. Where were you at with this?

[Joe Hayden]

I. I can understand where the neutral people are because it wasn't like a. Everybody was expecting it to happen. So neutral I can understand, because you don't know what. You don't know neutral means, you know what I'm saying? All right. Like, I'm not all for it, but I'm not against it. Agreeing. We have, you know, everybody's not going to always agree with something. So when I'm seeing a lot more neutral, I'm seeing some more agree and a little bit of strongly agree. I'm feeling like the vibe is okay. You're not going to have majority of everybody picking, you know what I'm saying? Everybody's not going do. So I can understand where people are coming from. So the proof is in the pudding now. Once we get the coach, I can see why they seeing it. So now we just got to see what he does from this point.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

The hiring. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm. I'm just at, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, because remember, Debo, at the beginning, if I would have asked you, if I would ask you, at the very beginning, you went from a damn strongly disagree to, you know what? I'm saying it just takes, like, okay, time, boom.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like, won me over, you know, won me over. You know, my initial thoughts was out there, you know, after that, the press conference, after I had. Well, even after the press conference, I had to sit down and talk to myself, you know, and then realize, okay, yeah, you know what, this really means something to him. You know what I'm saying? You won me over. All right, so let's go ahead and see where it's at with the other candidates that they had. Distillers. Same. You know, the survey, when they were asking which candidate Distillers would. Would have. They would have wanted the Steelers to hire. It was, like, tight. Dude, you got. You got Shula at 24. 2. Mike McCarthy at 22. 4. You got Shieldhouse, he's at 21, and then Flores 19, 9. So when it came down to it, though, they all were close. I don't think anybody was going to be happy because how close they were, you know what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't gonna be a overall senses of, like, yo, yeah, we, you know, we did good.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So, you know, and that was the same thing for me. Once the shock, you know, and all that other stuff wore off and I basically stopped letting the. The media, you know, give me my information. I went on, sat down, you know, got into it, looked at it, you know, and they talking about it's the same coach, you know, still is gonna hire the same coach they got rid of, and, you know, it's just gonna be more of the same moving forward. And I was like, you know what? Let me. Let me check this out. Let me do my research. You look at the numbers, they're similar. I ain't gonna lie. They're similar numbers. But when it comes down to it, numbers is all that matter, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, not really. Not really. Numbers ain't all that matter. But if you got good numbers, if

[Joe Hayden]

you got good numbers, they matter more.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. It matter more. So it's a. It's a yes and a no. It's yes because numbers don't lie like that. That is what it is. But it's a no because it don't tell the full story, you know, it don't go into what we've been talking about. Coaching, scheme, game plan, you know, and ultimately, if that better version or worse version of coaching and scheme knowledge understanding can add more wins or losses. And when you look at the hire of Mike McCarthy, the first thing I see is experience. The second thing I see, she's A good coach.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And the third thing is he is hiring better coaches from coordinators to position coaches. Okay. But again, let me go back to why I originally was, you know, against it, because I kind of was against it, because when you look at how the Steelers did it in the past, they hired BC Young coach. They hired Coach T. Young coach. And, you know, I'm sitting there like, okay, you know, they go hire a young coach, maybe they give Will Howard a chance to see, you know, if he could run it out, see, you know, see what happens. Because, you know, it ain't really nobody out there that was available, you know, to actually grab that we could say was going to be a true franchise quarterback right now, you know, just going forward. And I was like, you know what? We go rebuild and I was ready for, you know, a couple down years and maybe we'd be able to either build it up or possibly get the guy that we looking for in the draft. Preferably in the draft because, you know, that's a lot cheaper. Yeah, but we go and we get Aaron Rodgers, okay? And like right here. Agree or disagree? Bringing back Aaron Rodgers for a second season was the right move. And we have a strong disagree at 8.8 and agree at 30. Sorry, a strong degree at 8.8. Agree at 30. So basically you got almost 40 that are agreeing. You got close to 19 neutral. Then you got another almost. What is that, 41, 43. Something like that. That. Yeah, that, you know, disagree with it. 19.5. What's 19.7? They strongly disagree with it. And like, not all of them, I should say. Well, it ain't that many. I won't even say that. Let's just go to how they felt he did as they reflected about, like, which statement best reflects your feelings about Aaron Rodgers at the Distillers. So when you look at this, it's like, it's kind of. It's kind of good. I think it's kind of good because it's an approval rate. And they're saying basically that he met expectations. Okay. And when you look at the thing, you got almost. What is it, 80 something percent that looks like right there that actually said he. He met expectations. So you're looking at 81.6% that actually said he. He met expectations. Not saying that they wanted to sign him again, okay, Saying that he met the expectations. So personally, I think that without Aaron Rodgers, we don't get the 500 last year. Okay. And the thing when you go to the next survey is what worried, you know, people the most about, you know, the hiring of Mike McCarthy was the, you know, the quarterback option moving forward. And most people believe that he was hired to get Aaron, you know, not true. Maybe, I don't know, maybe part of it. But the big reason, the major reason I believe he was hired was like or what they are, I should say most excited about for him is his quarterback experience. So his experience at Edward Jones we believe Rich is about taking care of

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[e-mail] ride Harley Davidson motorcycles Ride. Working with quarterbacks, that was the highest thing they was most excited about. That was 44.6. Okay. And then the second thing was his offensive reputation. Now you go to the working with the quarterback. Then we talk about what was his name? Rich Gannon. Rich Gannon. Just last week he credited Mike McCarthy with basically his development, his career. And you know, just talking about how much he, you know, he thought, how much better he thought he could have been if he hadn't met him, you know, if he had met him sooner. And it wasn't year seven, okay? And like what we do have when we hired Mike McCarthy or do have or had, whatever, however you want to say it was. We had a young quarterback, okay? And Mike came in and the first thing he said was if he was there, young Will Howard would not have been drafted as late as he was. So now we have a coach that can develop and is known for developing quarterbacks.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All right. That's the number two thing that excites them is his offensive reputation. 35.7% of the people were excited about his offensive reputation and he said, hey, I'm calling the plays, so if it don't work, it's on me.

[Joe Hayden]

I like that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But he still went and hired Brian Angelito as the oc, a dude who is highly respected. They believe his knowledge is, is, is up there. They believe that, you know, he's, he's, he's well at T, he's good at teaching, developing, you know, and now he gets this opportunity to actually rhyme, to actually learn under Mike. And at the same time he gets to give Mike a different insight into different scenarios. So Mike in turn can actually learn something from Brian. Because McCarthy actually puts value into his opinion and he understands that he is not always right all the time. And sometimes you can, you can teach your old dog new tricks if he's open to listen, if he's open to learn. Exactly. Because ultimately the goal or the. Or. Or the greater good is to have a better, the best performing offense that we can have, period. And all the stuff that, you know, we, we talking about now with having better coaches and, and, and, you know, better, better, better communication, you know, all that. And, and developing, being able to develop young players, old players, even giving them, you know, just from having better coaches around you. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And when you have that, you know, I think that's the major reason why I think we are having such or we had such a drought or having. Yeah, I could say that, such a drought in the playoffs. And we, you know, we, we ain't won a game since, you know, our last, what, 2016, when we went to the AFC championship game and ended up losing to New England. So, you know, and again right here, the Steelers haven't won a playoff game since January 2017. And then they ask what has been the biggest thing holding them back. They say quarterback play. Coaching. Which one you think, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I would say I, I thought when it was 2017, when I was looking at it, I thought sometimes it was coaching. It was defense. When we lost to the, when we lost to Jacksonville in that year, I felt like the offense did extraordinarily well. Offense. When we had La'Veon Bell, when we had Ben, when we had Antonio Brown, when we had. What was my other two receivers, we had. Juju was there and Bryant also our offense was putting up crazy numbers. Shaezier ended up getting hurt. So I think when I first got to the Steelers that 2017 season, that that was the most talented team I played with. So I think they, when we played Jacksonville, we had turnovers on offense, but we still scored 43 points. So I think defense could get in there too. I think coaching, I think we could say, we could say quarterback play, but I think it was a.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You got, you got. They gave him, they gave him four options. They said quarterback play, coaching, ownership, management or other.

[Joe Hayden]

So they didn't even put defense in there as an option because I would have thought, I mean, I think if quarterback play, coaching. And I would put defense in there. And as. As a.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, so what would you put on the defense? Is that on the player or is that on the coaching ability?

[Joe Hayden]

It's a little bit of everything. A little bit of everything.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

A little bit everything. I think there's.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So if you had to point at one major thing, what would be your number one?

[Joe Hayden]

It's a. It's all. I'm telling you, like the Joe stuttering y'.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All.

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The way that they.

[Joe Hayden]

The way that they broke it down. Quarterback play, coaching. If they put defense in there also, I think it would be the 33%. 33%. 33%.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. So me, I'm not go. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. I believe it to be coaching.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And we are going to get a great chance to see in real time this season. That's true. Or not.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Because we are running it back basically with the same team. All right. Would you say that it's the same team? Like, they don't. You know, they got. They got. They got.

[Joe Hayden]

I would say yes. They got the quarterback back. I think it was a little bit better team with another. A corner, a better. A better secondary. A little bit better secondary and a better receiving core.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay. And like I said, we get an opportunity to run it back right here.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right now I say it's coaching because when I look at it. So here's the crazy thing. As much as Mike Tomlin was

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

catalyst for the Pittsburgh Steelers, when he got here, you know, you remember when he first got here, the first thing he did, dude, he cut Joey Porter. He cut. He cut Peasy.

[Joe Hayden]

He cut.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He got Joey Porter singer. Okay? And I know for a fact if BC was here, because that was BC guy and BC was still here in head coach. Peasy would have got. Resigned. They let Pey go. They actually released him with still a year left on his contract. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Do you think that was the right at the time?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hell, for me. Hey, hey, for me, I thought. I thought.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. No, no, for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

From the outside. And everybody else, they like, yo, we just cut Joy reporter. Who is this? Who is this cat right here? Okay, okay. And then immediately to it said 2009. We went back to the super bowl, won a Super Bowl. So you're talking about three years from winning our previous super bowl with Coach Kower. We come back with Coach Tomlin and we win a Super Bowl. Okay. He brought in new energy, motivation. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I was about to say, go ahead.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

From 2000, I'd say 15. He has been the greatest hindrance to our progress because of his one inability to, I would say, build and sustain a successful coaching staff. And his power, dude, that he acquired, accumulated, you know, with his ability to be able to take over the drafting process, which led to only two of, what was it? 2 of 15 first and second round draft choices that actually had a long term contract extension given to him. Okay. That's supposed to be your franchise. Eight, ten year players like, and you missing on the easiest picks, you know, in the rounds of the draft, one and two. That should be automatic, right? Okay, now everybody want to blame Omar Khan because he's the gm. All right, let's look at this right here. Omar, dude, he wasn't the GM until 2022. By that point in time, Coach T had absolute power over that. So the NFL PA report card here where, you know, they gave Omar surplus. I'm not with it. I'm, I'm not with that. But the, you know, everybody else, they, they gave him a decent grade. You know, everything from a, from a B, 60 something percent. I would, I would say it would have to be at least a B. Where would you, how would you grade him? Where would you say? As far as this, Omar.

[Joe Hayden]

I had Omar around the beat.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You had Omar around the B? Why B? I got him at an a.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Since 2022.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Nope. I put, I put him at an A since today. Since he. I'm giving him an A based on this year because previous years don't hold much weight because he really had no power in the process. Like anybody that has any knowledge of that knows that. But this year on, I know what the process is. I know what the process was when Bill Cower came in, and I know where to stay until he left. And I also know what it turned into around that 2015 when you had, you know, a coach that had power basically to draft on feelings and beliefs, you know, more than it was. You know, actually what you see on

[Joe Hayden]

the team was Kevin, Kevin Colbert was Kevin.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Kevin Cobbert was there too. Yes. So Kevin all of a sudden started not being able to draft. That.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what, that's, that's the thing. I, I don't, I don't know the answer to these questions because when you raise ranking, who was the gm and you thinking Kevin Cobra was the gm,

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Kevin Cobra was the gm.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. But you're saying, when did you know the ranks of when who's making the draft decisions when the GM's making it, and then the head coach ends up getting the more power.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It was a switching transition of power.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. So when I'm ranking or when the general public like myself are ranking, I'm only ranked. Like, I didn't know when Coach Tomlin started taking over the GM power. If it's just him and Kevin Colbert in a joint, you know what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Talking about when it first came in, it is. It was like what it is now. It was a collective.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And so how you have your scouts, okay, so that's something else too, dude. You gotta have a great scouting department because you're not able to go out there and look at everybody. So they got to be able to find those guys that they can see like, oh, man, this dude is good. Let me get him in front of somebody.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, let me say this, too. Let me get in. Because this is the thing. When you were saying this stuff about obviously now with the coaching for sure, when we're saying now when Mike McCarthy is coming in. I think when I got to Pittsburgh, it was years and years into Coach Tomlin being there. And the one thing that I could see where you needed a new voice from when it's kind of like the accountability of just everything needs to be tight. There was just a looseness, you know what I'm saying? That was just going around. And that looseness is a reason where errors come in where. You know what I'm saying? Like, there just has to be. Sometimes there was accountability being held and if star players were doing certain, you just gotta nip. And things were just being like meetings, like just like late stuff and just

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

like airports, I'll tolerate you till I could replace you. That is a bad thing.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a bad thing. When there's no need for. When you're going to a place where nobody's getting that same treatment because everybody's moving the way they should move, like, pros are going to be pros. You got your vets that. You know what I'm saying? They might have a little. But when the vet leeway is getting to a point where it turns almost blatant disrespect to where your team is seeing stuff we like, oh, like. Like we can't be moving like this as a team. You know what I'm saying? Vet aside. So when you get a new coach in there, no, boom, he's not rocking. You set that standard from. It doesn't matter from the T.J. watts to the. To the Ben Roethlisbergers to the. Anybody on the team where there's no leeway for nobody. We're coming in here. Everybody's going to be on. This is the standard. Is the standard execution. The eye in the sky don't lie. We're treating the very top player. The reason why you got like that is because you do everything right the entire time. You ball out, you're. You just. You grow that. You. You grow that string because of all of that stu, all that good work you put in that bag. That's just what you do. You're a pros pro. They don't have to worry about you no more. You know what I'm saying? It got to a point where now it just was a little too flowy. And I'm like, that's where. We have the squad, we have the team. But the flowiness of everybody not on their P's and Q's. So that's why I'm like, now with Mike McCarthy, us having vets, us, him coming in now with the. His coaching style. I'm calling the offense. The timing, everything's going to have to be on time. Us not knowing. Us knowing the snap counts. You know what I'm saying? The defensive coaches holding everybody to a standard. So the film and speaking the same languages. That stuff wasn't. When I was like, it was flowy. And I'm like, we got ballers here. So it's. It works until it doesn't. Until stuff is blown. Until we were like, the communication is lacked because it's not like they don't know it the way that they should. You know what I'm saying? They're in. Because now we're miss, man. Now me and you are having a conversation where I'm like, dude, you're just giving me lock. It's not lock. You know what I'm saying? We should be able to do in and out, super flowy. That's just the way it is because it's easy for me. Easy for you? You're calling out because you don't know the situation. You shouldn't be in the game.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He's afraid.

[Joe Hayden]

He's afraid. We afraid. Now you just go. I'm just. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Now you making me look nuts. You know what I'm saying? We should be able to easily float this. And now we're running into each other because you're afraid to call this. You know what I'm saying? This Combination. So when you have new coaches holding every single person to the same language and everybody's talking to them, boom, this is what it is. Your stars are on time and running these stuffs and doing things because you can't. That likes you're getting. That's not what you do. That's not how you have everybody get the complete buy in. So you. When I hear him with that, when I'm like, coach T was the one thing that I would say was it was just a little. A little that. A little. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, when McCarthy comes in now, it's just we have to be on point. Everybody. It's just a new wave because the players, the talent was there. So when you say, I think coaching right.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Is so Joe here, I'll let you. I'm going to let you. I'm going to take you off the hook. When you say flowy, I'm going to do your interpretation of what I believe you mean by flowy. I think when you say Floyd, it's too many different things that are allowed by one player and not another player. And when. I'll give you an example. When I got to Pittsburgh, we stayed in dorms. Before I got there, them dorms, they ain't had AC before I got there. Jerome Bettis, who was a Hall of Famer, stayed in the dorms. Yeah, okay. You had. You had everybody that stayed in those dorms. How many guys did y' all have when y' all were staying in apartments and renting Airbnbs when you were got there?

[Joe Hayden]

See, by. No, that's the thing. Exactly.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It shouldn't even be allowed because it's a standard that should be. But that standard was, I tolerate you till I could replace you. That's not a standard that you need that you can have. Especially when you letting players do things so far in extremes of others. Now, at what point do they feel like, oh, I done made it to that point to where I could do it? Now you got guys, you know it. They gone. Ain't even at the hotel for. For broom checking nothing. They gone. They don't went home, huh? Because you allowed a certain thing. And when you don't keep everybody. Dude, when I went over there to. To New England, man, I seen Tom Brady running to the meeting. I said, oh, I must be late. Let me get up. No, if you fight, if you five minutes. If you five minutes early, you. You on time, late. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

That's how they know for sure. Because he could go two minutes with two minutes before the meeting. And this meeting started.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, dude. And that's just how they ran everything. Now, don't get me wrong, I got privileges that a younger guy wouldn't get. Like I got to. They made sure that, you know, I had space or hotel room to bring in people that did my treatment. But they didn't allow me to do those things outside of different times that weren't based into the curfew of what was going on.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? But they made sure I had access to the people that I was used to being able to have access to. And when you say Floyd, that's what you're talking about or that's what I'm saying you're talking about.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. You are saying what I'm saying.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. So I mean, it's not, it's not conducive to, you know, to having a, A team that is just a isa bsb. And this is what it is. And we're, we're going to, you know, we're going, we're going to flow with that. And it don't matter if you're a hall of famer or if you a rookie. This is the same thing. Now where the treatment should change is there is you in year 10. You ain't never been late. You walk in that thing late and you like coach and da, da, da, da, da, da. He go give you leeway. He knows I got 10 years you in year one.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You come in there late. No. He got to get on your neck.

[Joe Hayden]

Got to. It's 10 years in the bank. It's 10 years in the bank.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So.

[Joe Hayden]

But I believe in. There's definitely supposed. You're not all getting treated the same. I'm not saying that in any way.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I understand. But if the standard.

[Joe Hayden]

You're saying the standard. Standard.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

The basic of the standard is not the standard. It's flowy.

[Joe Hayden]

The standard is the standard.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's just wording. That's just. That's just. That's just a. Something that sound good? That's just a phrase. I don't. I don't stamp something. The standard is the standard. No, the standard you just said is flowy. Does that sound like the standard is the standard?

[Joe Hayden]

No, that's what I'm just got to just nail down.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right, right. And to be honest with you, I could have been one of those guys that was doing that

[Joe Hayden]

as hell.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I didn't. I didn't. I stayed in the hotel all night. I never checked out my room. Dude, I got that. That was my time to get away.

[Joe Hayden]

And at the end. Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, at the end, when I wanted to get out.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, when you was ready to get out. That was the. That was. You was the flowiest of the flowy.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, I was.

[Joe Hayden]

I was.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I wasn't. I wasn't even flowy on that. I was trying to get released, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, okay, that's blatant.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And I was still there. I still never showed up late, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you didn't show up late. You didn't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I still never left early, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you didn't. You didn't. You didn't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I was still worst in the building.

[Joe Hayden]

You was in there.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What are you talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

He was in there. You was. You was in there, Debo. You was in there. You was in there, which is.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Stop playing with me. I'm at practice taking all the reps and don't get a uniform put in my locker. Kiss my. You know what?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Stop playing.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Stop playing with me. Show up to the game. My locker empty.

[Joe Hayden]

You just said no.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Stop playing with me, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Look here.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Until then, what you say, bro?

[Joe Hayden]

I said you had to put you. When you get you got flowy after they left your jersey. They ain't bang put you, no question.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You can't sit me there, have me practicing like all week and then I know, like, it's a difference between, hey, man, we think we go. We go sit you down. Okay. It's the difference between no show. I show up in there, I got everything going and that ain't nothing in my locker. I told him right then and there, I said, if I ain't playing, I ain't staying. I walked out and went home. That was the crash out. I was doing everything I could from that point forward. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man. Quarterback, would you Keep on this 53, 53 man roster, which quarterbacks would you keep? Would you keep all four? Would it be a combination of the three or would you keep all four with your combination with B? Joe, they have Aaron Rodgers, Will Howard, Drew Howard, Drew Aller, C. Drew Holler at 57.9. They say all four. 19. They crazy. That's not happening.

[Joe Hayden]

No, the. The top row. The top row.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Top row. Love Mason. He's on. We. We know what my man's max is with the Steelers. And you've got two drafted guys that you drafted haven't really had a chance to do anything. You got to give them a chance to shine, see what you got out of your draft picks. If you don't, like, if one of them are just really that bad in training camp, then you really are ready to pull the trigger on like, man, we really messed up on this pick. But I think you have Aaron Rodgers. Will Howard is there. You drafted him for a reason. So I don't know if they could show what they. They probably could if they just are bust. Yes. But I don't think they are. I think we'd be able to at least have them get. Get a shot, get a chance. Let Drew sit behind Aaron and be able to get, see, learn for this rookie year and then have them two dudes going camp next year seeing what's going on and depending we might we bring in another guy that they maybe see in the draft. It's not like those two dudes will be everything that we have going on, but moving forward, they're young. We drafted them. They haven't had their chance yet. I will go with the, with the top.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm with you on that.

[Joe Hayden]

That's.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That. That was a. That was an easy choice. And they asked him who is the Steelers next franchise quarterback. The options they gave him is a 20, 27 first round pick Drew, Will, Howard or other. 52.3% said a 20, 27 first round pick. What do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

You know, they. I would not be mad at what they're saying. Obviously, we don't know what Drew or Will have done yet.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I can't say yet until I see it.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't say. We were like, who's gonna be the first round? What Depending on like, if these young dudes that are playing in the college football season, the year has to happen. We have Drew, we have Will. We know it's not going to be a rod. So I don't know. I don't know. I can't. This. This one's just. You know, I'm saying something when I don't have anything in the bank for Drew or Will to be like, I like them. I've seen them. Show me something. You know what I'm saying? It gives it a chance. Right now, 20, 27 first round pick is looking like the best option because I don't know what these guys have.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I'll go with you on that one. I agree with you on that. But we need to check out what's going on, man. It's a clip going viral. Aaron Donald working out with Stillers as safety Juan Brisker. Look at this, Joe. Look at man the hand work, Joe. See the hand work, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

See the hand work, Joe. Teaching that man the hand work, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Out of control of man, cap.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And got to be more careful.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, buddy.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Press off that thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. Hey, now I'm past you. Pass you like, get. Get your hands. Get, get. You get your. Get your filthy hands off me.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Get your paws off me. Get your paws off me. You just straight watch muscle memory.

[Joe Hayden]

Like riding a bike.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like riding a bike, Joe. I still ain't forgot how to ride a bike, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on. That's what I'm saying. You ain't forgot how to do these.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I still ain't forgot how to ride a bike, Joe. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen. How important his past responsibility for, ah, secondary safety guy. Listen, I'm gonna say this though. I'm gonna say this. Hey, yes, Brisker. Listen, bro, bro, I don't know if like you talking about doing this move on a running back or a tight end, but I'm gonna tell you this. A.D. is a lineman. He talking about doing that on lineman. So AD can do lineman on lineman, bruh. If you go in there trying to do them moves right there on one of them linemen, they go toss you out the club. They gonna cost you out the Joe, tell me. Tell him, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't. We don't. We don't want the lineman's hands on us at all. Don't want them to put our hands on us. This is more with the tight end. We working. We working footwork. We working. Get a jab, you know what I'm saying? Get to a spot. I think that is if some. If so that's. That's what Aaron Donald's telling them. Soon they think about putting it. Get your hands off me. You know what I'm saying? You can't let them grab ahold of you. So he's just. I think he's showing them the quick moves of getting in there. And if he is going against the tight end or running back, you know what I'm saying? Now, you can button press in and get him a ball for you, but don't but the offensive tackle, because then he got you. Then he going to put them pause on the outside of you. Now there's nowhere for you to go. You gonna be trying to rip and you're gonna be hemmed up. So use it on tight ends quickly. Running backs, but alignment. Avoid them at all costs. Don't let them get their hands on you. Don't not. Because it gets ugly fast. Next thing you know, you're going. You're trying to still move your feet and they're not letting you. Going sideways should get ugly. And then they falling on top of you trying to do. All the most linemen.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

And the dirty lineman. Soon they don't. They just grab me. I'm like, soon. I'm like, oh, my God, here we go. That's what I'm trying to just catch them. I gotta catch them. Run inside.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, Jesus.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, hello. He got me. I'm going on the ride. I might just go dead legs and

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

just let my feet go. That's when they do the splash on you, though, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's why I gotta cover. He's trying to literally land on my side shoulders.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, smashed on the ground.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Debo. Not a good feeling.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, man, I'm just glad.

[Joe Hayden]

Don't let them lie.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Talk about AD Coming back, man. You know? You think he gonna come back?

[Joe Hayden]

I mean, it's on. It's on his body, Deebo. It's on his body. He looks like he can. I mean. I mean, so after two years of chilling, I mean, it depends on if he comes. If he come back end of the season, like my man like the safety weddle. Like Weddle did. End of the season, playoffs.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He ain't coming back, bro. He ain't coming back.

[Joe Hayden]

All right? If he don't come back this year, he's definitely not coming back ever.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It was two years. It's been two years, right?

[Joe Hayden]

It's been.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

This would be the second year.

[Joe Hayden]

This would be the second year. So we only took one year off. That was the year I took off.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I took off three weeks and I was, I was like, yo, I was almost 42. I was 39. But see, I was like, yo, this. Y' all lucky I signed that contract, bro. My daddy told me I had to finish what I started. Otherwise after a, after that first practice, Joe, and I'm proud of it.

[Joe Hayden]

I couldn't. You already know. Once I was gone, I was definitely gone.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Aaron Donald said he retired because he had accomplished everything he wanted to and no longer had a desire to continue the year round training regimen. He accomplished everything he wanted to. I don't care about the year round training regimen. He accomplished everything he wanted to. So him coming back now with a stacked team, do you think that would be a greater accomplishment than what he had already did? No. That's why he's not coming back.

[Joe Hayden]

He's already first ballot. Is he. It's already done. Yeah. But whatever Aaron Donald want to do, I'm not gonna be wanting to tell him not to come back.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

AD ain't coming back, man.

[Joe Hayden]

He said, he said, he said, he

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

said in an accomplish everything. What you want me to do? Come back for what? For what?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't have to. You don't have to be chilling.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm up out of here, man. Got businesses and all that going on, man.

[Joe Hayden]

He is good. 80 is good. 80 is up.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joseph. Somebody hating. Oh, who ain't we got? We got. An anonymous AFC exec is calling out over price NFL receivers. Joe. He says, I think the wide receiver price has gotten so crazy that teams are warming up to the fact that they can get a super talented back with past catching abilities instead paying 17 or 18 million a year. For a guy that doesn't sound so bad anymore. He said the top average annual value at the position Seattle's SNJ 42.1 million. It is more than double the top running back, which is Phillies sake quan barkley at 20.6. Joe, you think the bag's getting too big for these receivers? Joe? Nope. Never.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. Nope, Never. Never. Bags never too big. Bags never too big.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You hating.

[Joe Hayden]

Bags never too big. The bag can Never get too big.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I don't know who this is.

[Joe Hayden]

It's time for them to go out there and get it. Like quarterbacks, end of the day they know the money's going to continue to go up. And with the salary cap it's only. They can only give. This only makes sense for a reason. So with the percentage of how much it takes up now versus back in the day, it is what it is. And I'm never going to take down anybody getting bread. Quarterbacks, you going to tell me at the end of the day too bump down the quarterbacks then highest paid quarterbacks making $6 million a year and you gonna tell me now these just adding

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

like what are we talking about?

[Joe Hayden]

$30 million a year, like it's nothing. And, and they just. Now you talking about kill the cat. He's making the.

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Kill the cap.

[Joe Hayden]

Like kill the cat. Like you can't give them what they're worth and the guys that aren't what they're worth then just going to be what it is. But like end of the day, I can't never say that 42 is what it is because that's the going market for the next man up. Like Jamar chase did the 40. Now Jack Smith and Jigba does the numbers. Great. Dude, this is the right way. Not a problem. Right on time. Falling. It's his time up. He's up. So he's going to be the next man to go do what he has to do because they're planning on. He's done the numbers. He's beat his rookie contract. He's out here setting the new levels of receptions and yards. So that's what it is. And the market is now it's going to have to pay what it's worth. So that's why when you see Patrick Mahomes now signing for damn near a billion dollars, he can sign that because they know Patrick Mahomes that's not. It's going to go up. Quarterback making 65 now next. Next time is going to be 70 the next year when it, when it starts going up. These dudes like how just Trevor Lawrence is $50 million a year. It's not a thing. Dan Daniel Jones, you know what I'm saying? These quarterbacks are making 35 to 65 million dollars a year. And they want to say once you get to that the high, once you get to the highest of the highest, the dudes that are set in the market, that's what happens. Now the other guys that are right around those levels and then the jump seems so crazy how I'm going to Pay. Just do 30 because you're paying. The top of the market is 65. Middle looks crazy at 30, but it is what it is. So you're gonna have to figure that out in your own way. It's not like running backs. I'm sorry, 20 there, it's gonna be 40. So you just gonna have to figure out these numbers. So dudes are getting paid. I'm geeked for them. But it's just like you're gonna have to figure it out. The teams don't come over here and look at the players. It's because the cap's going up, you guys are making more money. Everybody's making more money. So that's why now everybody's pay keeps going up. You guys are making dough. So don't get here looking crazy. Oh, it sounds crazy because back in the day when we were first got in, the highest paid quarterbacks were making $16 million a year. Highest paid corner. If you can get the double digit, you making $10 million a year, you was that dog. So now it's like, no, they're making 30 to 32. You know what I'm saying? Joey Porter Jr. Looking at my contract, I stung me. We were looking for Patrick Peterson. Me, Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman hit for 15 million a year. So we were like, oh my gosh, that's the one I ended up getting. Then Patrick Peterson signed for 14 and I got 13, five. So now I'm like, okay, boom, five years, 68 million 45 guaranteed. Back in the day. Oh, we cranked now 4, 400.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, yes.

[Joe Hayden]

So it's like, no, that's just what it is. Like it's just a new market, the new day. So when you looking at the deals, it's like, what are we talking about? So we can't knock the dues. Everybody's going to get their bread. It just sounds crazy because the, because, because you it's going up. People are making so much more money. The, the deals are going up because they can. The cap is getting higher. So the deals sound more crazy, but it's not. We have 53 players. The, like the base basketball dudes, they're getting this. Their deals are off a bill. All guaranteed. My man making 72. Shay, Alexa, girls, Alexandra. Four years, 278 million, $72 million a year, fully guaranteed. No matter what happens for these next four years. So there.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Fully guaranteed, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Fully guaranteed, brother. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Every dollar, every penny, Boom. You just gonna have to see what it is, I am happy for everybody that's able to get their bread because it looks crazy because just the market is going up. Like it's just the 10 million back in the day in 2010 for the highest paid corner, 16 million back in the day in 2010 for the highest paid quarterback. Now you're looking at 65 for the highest paid quarterback and 30 for the highest paid cornerback. Like we looking at it now with like the backup quarterback market. When we looking at that, like, I mean they just do they deserve. How we looking at Baker Mayfield? He was trying to get him a bag. He was getting 35 a year when dudes were getting 55. 60. He like, I'm, I'm giving me that. Y' all can't give me, y' all can give me 50, you know what I'm saying? Like, what are we talking about? And everybody looking like, Baker, we're not going to give you 50. He's like, why not? Look, look around the market. Look what I've been doing. I got numbers to prove, right?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what it's going to come down to, dude. If your numbers are, what is it up in there in that, that, that top 10 and you're, you go to the playoffs, you throw in there for

[Joe Hayden]

20 some touchdowns, 20 some touchdowns. Keeping a single digit interception is 3, 500 yards you're getting. That's 40 some million dollars a year franchise.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

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