Deebo & Joe - Part 2: NFL Power Rankings + Brandon Marshall GOING VIRAL

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Deebo & Joe, Part 2

Date: June 22, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Episode Focus:
Unfiltered reactions to the latest NFL power rankings, in-depth AFC North analysis, the Micah Parsons injury debate, and a viral discussion on Brandon Marshall’s parenting methods. Delivered with the hosts’ trademark energy, candor, and humor.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into reactions to the freshly released NFL power rankings, with Deebo and Joe zeroing in on perceived slights against teams in the AFC North—especially the Steelers and Browns. The discussion also pivots to player injury management with the Micah Parsons situation, before grappling with a viral controversy about Brandon Marshall’s discipline of his son. The latter half is a powerful, very real conversation on parenting, discipline, and generational changes in approach.

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Key Discussion Points and Timestamps

1. AFC North NFL Power Rankings: Respect or Disrespect?

[02:23 – 10:11]

• Joe on Steelers Disrespect:
  “Is blatant disrespect, Debo...I'm with the Steelers. Everybody's underestimating them.” (02:23)
  Joe passionately defends Pittsburgh’s 2025 season (division winners at 10-7) and is baffled by skepticism about their defense and veteran quarterback “A Rod.”
• Conversation About Player Motivation:
  Both hosts highlight the hunger of Steelers pass rushers (TJ Watt, Nick Herbig, Alex Highsmith):
  “We got ballers...these three dudes, they feel like they should be top of the top. So we got all you under contracts. Go show it.” (02:49)
• Debo on Defensive Coaching:
  “We needed to beat bad technique, horrible alignment and assignment or point blank period... just an un-gapped sound defense.” (03:51)
• On Division Rivals:
  • Both criticize the Bengals’ unchanged O-line:
    “What did they do with the offensive line? What was the great improvement...The same one that got his ass hurt last year?” (06:56)
  • On the Browns at 28th: measured acceptance, but with the caveat they must “show them some” to climb rankings.

Notable Quote—Joe:

“The disrespect for the Steelers is—I don’t understand it. Is it old man A Rod? Is it because they think A Rod is older? That’s what they saying.” (04:53)

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2. Browns, Shadur Sanders, and Realistic Expectations

[07:18 – 09:25]

• Joe on Browns' Path Forward:
  Emphasizes full team development:
  “If we can get a top 10 defense, offense we got to score over 20 points a game...Let’s average 22 points a game.” (08:10)
  On Shadur Sanders:
  “I like that Shadur’s gonna be able to get a chance... Let’s see if you can get it to them (receivers).” (08:40)

Notable Quote—Joe:

“We won five games last year. But I still understand we got to put the work on the field. We got to show them. Our offense has to actually score points.” (09:16)

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3. Micah Parsons Injury: Team vs. Player Longevity

[10:12 – 16:05], [19:44 – 21:17]

• Debo: “Micah Parsons expected to miss at least half of the season...for Green Bay...this is far from ideal.” (10:12)
• Joe (on urgency vs. risk): “For Micah, I would think that career wise and longevity—if you’re going to miss him this year and a half, you don’t want him to rush back.” (11:03)
• Debo aligns with Micah’s perspective:
  “There’s no good outcome for players coming back early from ACLs… Patrick Mahomes is a quarterback, okay? Parsons gotta go into confrontation every play.” (12:29)
• Contract rationale:
  “That guaranteed money is there for a reason...do not have to rush back.” (14:29)
• Real talk from Joe:
  “Once you hit that football field...they’re expecting 100%. You only as good as what your film says. You come back, step slower...you’re not Micah Parsons anymore.” (19:48)

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4. Brandon Marshall’s Viral Parenting & Discipline Debate

[21:43 – 46:08]

The Incident:

• Brandon Marshall faces backlash for disciplining his son—by making him run at 2 AM, filmed and posted online.

The Hosts’ Take:

• Joe:
  “Brandon Marshall gets to discipline his kid however he wants...Posting it on the Internet might be the only thing that I would have probably not done.” (25:18)
  “There’s consequences to actions. So he’s saying he’s gonna discipline him in the way he wants...He’s not putting his hands on him...So I’m not mad at it at all.” (26:55)

• Debo:
  “I don’t know what he did to get ran at 2 o’clock in the morning. Like I don’t know if I agree with it, but I damn sure don’t disagree...Of course my discipline was a good old fashioned ass whooping...” (27:47, 28:39) “My mama said, hey, where you act up is where you get fucked up.” (29:17)

Notable Quotes:

• Joe:
  “Some kids cannot...don’t have to be physically disciplined—very few, very few.” (43:45)
  “My mom and dad, he's like, it hurts me more than it hurts you, son. I buy you a damn lie in my mind. But I know what he's talking about now...” (39:20)

• Debo:
  “When it comes down to a dude, they're saying, I wouldn't do this, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, that's you, that's how you parent your child...For me, my escalation was a damn extension cord, bro.” (29:53, 32:05)

Big Themes:

• Discipline is personal, generational, and situational.
• Embarrassment as a consequence (if you embarrass the parent, expect embarrassment in return).
• The balance between building respect, “tough skin” and protecting a child’s mental health.
• Shifts from physical punishment as a necessity to context-based discipline.

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5. Parenting Styles & Generational Shifts

[40:11 – 46:43]

• Host Stories:
  Both share their upbringing—physical discipline, its impact, and the line between correction and harm.
• The takeaway:
  Children need to know who's in charge, and lack of discipline at home can create disrespect to authority elsewhere.
  “When you see those kids that don’t listen to their parents out in the grocery stores...they do that in their homes.” (40:11 – Joe)
  “I walk in, they like, ‘man, you have so respectful kids...’ They better be. That’s how I raised them.” (41:01 – Joe)
• Debo on communication:
  “There's no why. Because I said so. Because I'm doing what's best for you. And you know that I would never tell you to do something that you don't need to do.” (42:25)

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6. Super Chat & Community Q&A

[47:01 – 51:50]

• Father’s Day Shoutouts:
  Multiple live comments; little humor about the Browns’ future, and running jokes about gift cards and working out.
• Tips for biceps:
  “Low pulley, close grip curl. Lay that down to an incline, comfort, curl and then hit that to hammers.” (50:46 – Debo)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The disrespect for the Steelers is—I don’t understand it. Is it old man A Rod? ...Because we go get more from the rest of the team.” – Joe, (04:53)
• “There is no good outcome for players coming back early from ACLs.” – Debo, (12:29)
• “My mama said, hey, where you act up is where you get fucked up.” – Debo, (29:17)
• “My mom and dad, he's like, it hurts me more than it hurts you, son. I buy you a damn lie in my mind. But I know what he's talking about now...” – Joe, (39:20)
• “There's no why. Because I said so. Because I'm doing what's best for you.” – Debo, (42:25)

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Episode Tone and Style

• Authentic, raw, conversational. Equal parts analysis and personal story.
• Emphasis on “real talk”—especially about respect, discipline, and family.
• Frequent humor and teasing—especially when debating generational differences (“I’m a ’78 baby!” “Did you catch free lunch at the pool?”)
• Community engagement through chat shoutouts and direct Q&A.

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Conclusion

This episode of Nightcap keeps it real—delivering hard-hitting sports analysis around the NFL’s power rankings and player health, while veering into a spirited, open discussion on parenting, discipline, and the way the world’s changed (or hasn’t) since “belt” and “extension cord” were household words. Whether you’re looking for football takes, locker room stories, or unapologetic advice on raising kids, Deebo and Joe come through, unfiltered and unafraid.

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Best for listeners who want:

• Relentless, honest football analysis
• Real-life perspective on discipline and parenthood
• Humor, wisdom, and the camaraderie of two friends who grew up on “old-school” values

“Because I said so.”

Transcript

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[Joe]

Is blatant disrespect, Debo. And I'm blatant right now. I'm with the Steelers. I'm on the Steeler side. The good thing is they're. They're coming from. Everybody's underestimating them. It's good though. It's good because they're going to go out going. They got to go out here and play still. You know what I'm saying? So them saying the defense is being old and all of this stuff. Forget what they talking about. We got ballers. We know what we got on the defensive side of the ball. We. We know TJ Watt is ready to come back and prove that he's worth that bread. We got Nick Herbic. He knows that he wants to show dudes he's a top five pass rusher in the league. So he got his time to come eat. Alex Highsmith, he knows he's trying to go get another bag. He deserves. He feels like he's better than her. All these three dudes, they feel like they should be top of the top. So we got all you under contracts. Go show it. Go do it. Let's see what's.

[Debo]

Listen, it's easy to show it.

[Joe]

No, I'm just saying though understanding though Debo with the secondary, we got the coaching staff, we got the players.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Debo]

What did we see when we were sitting there the whole time, Joe, when we were sitting there watching games, when we call each other and text each other and we're watching games, what are we talking about? We're talking about breakdowns. We're talking about technical positioning of guys doing the same thing over and over. That is completely wrong. So they have to be taught that to do it because it's not just one guy doing it. It's multiple guys doing it. Yep. So we needed to beat bad technique, horrible alignment and assignment or point blank period. Like it's just a un gapped sound defense. Yep.

[Joe]

I'm just trying to figure out too 10 and 7 last year won the division. Understand Joe Burrow was out. Lamar Jackson missed time. They didn't get as I don't feel like like with the Ravens lost the offensive lineman. The deep the the the Bengals, their defense they lost Tre manager he went to Baltimore. They did get my big man for the defensive tackle but like it's how much better did you really get? Now we're gonna have to go see. You're gonna have to play the games but the Steelers still at the end of the day, won 10 games, one division, have the same quarterback, got the same players. I feel like the. The offensive line got better. The. The defense, we got a better corner. We got another. We signed Sean as a cornerback. Just in another year for everybody to just grow. So I'm. The disrespect for the Steelers is I don't understand it. You know what I'm saying? Is it. Is it old man? A rod is a little older. Is it because they think the.

[Debo]

It's because a rod is older. That's what they saying. You got this out of him last year. What makes you think you go get any different? Because we go get more from the rest of the team. They will be coached. They will be taught. They will be actually put in positions to succeed.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yes. Schemes. Game plans. We run.

[Debo]

Thank you.

[Joe]

We're understanding. We're staying ahead of the sticks. We're up. The defense is being able to pin their note. Being able to come after the quarterback now. Difference. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited about it though, because just looking from it, me and you were thinking the whole time offseason moves were going great. We just were worried about the quarterback. Now we got a rod coming back to a better squad. So now. Okay, let's see what the hell's going on. We don't have to work. No. We got the players now. We had our qb. Everything was cool at first when they was putting us back way deep because we didn't know who was going to be the quarterback. We didn't have Will Howard or Drew out. I'm like, just, okay. Bet we could chill. We can see about that. Because we don't know. We've never seen these dudes play. But we got a rod now. We know exactly what a rod can do. Coming off, he knows it's going to be his last year. He's locked in with this coach with the better players, with the receivers, with the line, with the running game. Like, I'm just excited to see. I think we have a full team, offense, defense, special teams. Everybody plays well. We're going to be right there, right where we need to be.

[Debo]

Like we went from. What was it, 22, 22 to 19. Huh? And what we did. That's it. And then you telling me with what Baltimore did move them up three from 14 with Cincinnati. Cincinnati shouldn't even been in 11.

[Joe]

That's what I'm. It's. They're just putting it all on Joe Burrow and acting like those defensive. Those defensive changes are going to help them just average. Don't let them people score more than 25 points a game on you. I'm not. No, that's not good enough to put them at nine.

[Debo]

Like, come on, bro. What did they do with the offensive line? What was the great improvement with the office line? The same one that got his ass hurt last year?

[Joe]

Nothing.

[Debo]

And the year before that? He missed some time year before that, didn't he?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Okay, bruh. And the Browns. What is they?

[Joe]

God. See, they. It put the Browns at 28. They put the Browns at 28. Only reason why I could keep this. I'm not mad at it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You.

[Debo]

You good?

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

I'm not mad at it because I know you.

[Joe]

Because we're gonna have to. This is the thing about the Browns. We're gonna have to show them some. We're gonna have to prove ourselves. And I understand that. I think it's going to be Shador. Shador and our. Shadur. Shadur. Shador and that offense. We're gonna have to see what they can do. Our defense. We got the. Now Mr. Miles, seeing reverse in there. We're gonna see what our defense is gonna be able to do. I know we still got ballers out there, so it's going to look a little different. Let me see what it looks like. But if we can get a top 10 defense, offense, we got to score over 20 points a game. We can get the offensive score 20 points a game. And then special teams tighten up. It's the same way, Debo. It's a full team game. Defense got to still be defense. Last year we weren't in the top. We can get back to top 10. Get back to top 10 defense. Our special teams was selling last year too. Get the special teams, get the special teams right. And now in our offense, just be able to get. Be competent offense. Let's get 20. Let's average 22 points a game. 21 points a game. Let's get to that point. Not 30. Let's get 21 points a game. Smooth. Let's see if we can do that. So I'm just. I. I like that Shador's going to be able to get a chance if. When he does with these receivers. With Boston, with KC Conception, with our running game and our new line, just to be able to. Let's go out there and now we have receivers that can make plays. Let's see if you can get it to them. Let's see if our running game could stay ahead of the sticks. Don't make him have to do craziness all the time. You know what I'm saying? Third and fours, third and fives and then Shador. What did you learn from your pocket presence of not patented all the time. When you trying to escape, don't wheel around. You know what I'm saying? Making quicker decisions with being able to run, escape or get the ball out of your hands. So just the team. Full overall team. I'm not 28. Okay. Whatever y' all say. We won five games last year. But I'm still understand we got to put the work on the field. We got to show them our office has to actually score points for them to rank us higher than this. So Browns I'm not. It is what it is. Let's see what we could do.

[Debo]

Okay. I ain't.

[Joe]

You know, you know you rocking with that, right?

[Debo]

I'm. I'm rocking with everything you said. But you know a five, five fifth worst. You know, just five. I think y' all could be a

[Joe]

little low this man. No how this is because you're the rounds. You go find 28. That's, that's, that's, that's. That's disrespectful enough. That's just.

[Debo]

Y' all gonna figure a way.

[Joe]

It's disrespectful enough.

[Debo]

I'll figure a way to end up lower than that when season over with. Yeah.

[Joe]

Telling you it's disrespectful enough.

[Debo]

I'm just. I. I don't know about respect disrespect. I'm just telling you what it is, man. That's just how I. I can't help what I can help. We're going over here to Grand Bay.

[Joe]

Though.

[Debo]

Michael Parsons is expected to miss at least half of the season. According to recent report. Parsons commits significantly more time than initially expected as he continues recovering from his torn ACL he suffered last season from a Green Bay. For a Green Bay team that invested two first round picks and a record setting contract in the superstar pass rusher, the latest projection is far from idea. Joe?

[Joe]

Yep.

[Debo]

What do you think of this, Joe? You think Mike, Mike. Mike. Michael missing more than half of the season is. What do you think? Just. I mean, I know what I think.

[Joe]

It's going to be tough. That sucks. When you draft a pel air like Micah Parsons. The thing is you give up those first round picks because you expect immediate, immediate greatness. Immediate first team all pro immediate. Probably defensive player of the year type production. So obviously this sucks for them because you're missing out on all of that but for Micah, I would think that career wise and longevity, if you're going to miss him for this year and a half, you don't want him to rush back because you might not get him at all. So the thing is not trying to rush him in. It sucks already for sure. You want to have your best player because you sent out first round picks, you gave him this new deal but you much rather be able to have him at all than to try to get him and he be weak and get himself hurt and this continue to be a thing. So I mean it sucks for the team obviously but not rushing back and will be the best thing to be able to try to get him. So when you do get him, you can have him for long term. Then trying to rush him and get him back for the beginning of the season like injuries is 100% chance that people are going to get hurt. Let's not rush him back and get him reheard again and have him always looking like that. Let's try to get him back to his full capability. Because you signed him to a long deal, you signed to a five year deal, you giving him $40 million per year. So you're going to, this is a long term player. It's not a one a week by week thing. You're going to want him for the four foreseeable future. So take your time with him and make sure that he when he does come back, you don't have to have continued setbacks.

[Debo]

Well, that's something that that Green Bay I guess was not really trying to do because earlier this year Parsons talked about how Green Bay followed a strict recovery timeline for ACL injuries. And he said I think the goal has always been not right now but longevity for my career here. He said there is what he said there is no good outcome for players coming back early from acls. I agree with him. People talk about well Patrick Mahomes is coming back and all the other stuff. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes a quarterback, okay, I know they were both injured on the same day last year, but Patrick Mahomes is a quarterback. Patrick Mahomes doesn't have to go out there and get into confrontations with a man every place. This is a 100% smart move by Micah to make sure that he takes the time so that he can come back fully recovered. Especially when his tear was a non contact tear. And when you're looking at non contact tears through the significance of people who actually tear the other acl it's a higher percentage because now you are actually Putting more force, you're putting more because you're coming back too soon. You're not 100%. And he's like, you know what? I'm not going to do that. And as smart if them not to do that. Signed a what? Four year, one hundred eighty eight million dollar max. What it could be extension. Okay. And in, in, in year one of it, you averaging, what is it, $47 million a year, bro. In year one he gets this. It happens. He got $136 million of that. That is guaranteed. So basically he has a three year deal and you're telling me you want him to come back year two and not miss any time and come back before he's 100% when if he does that he's going to risk again injury and if he's able to come back, he's not going to be the same player. So after that his third year comes around, he obviously won't be at this at the numbers that he was before because he's been unplayed. If he makes it through there, if he's not looking at his third year being injured again. Now he's done. His guaranteed money is up, his contract is done. Even though he has a year left. That would be foolish of him to do that. Like he said, longevity of his career, period. So yes, Micah, get a hundred percent. Do not come back until you are 100. Why? Because your money is a hundred percent guaranteed. And when that unguaranteed money starts coming up and you're miss half this year or whatever that time is that you end up having to miss and you come back with whatever year at whatever time you have left in this year and you're 100% and you go out there wreaking havoc and you let that lead into year three and you finish that year three on top of your game, back where you were. Now year four is guaranteed. Not only is year four guaranteed, now you can re up. Now he's at what, 28, 29 doing another three or four year deal to finish out his career versus trying to figure out what he's going to do if he goes back too soon on a one.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Now he's sitting there in limbo. Hell no. I'm gonna wait till I'm 100%, come back, kill what's left, have a monster three year. It's one year left on your contract. Re up again for another three.

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

and then after that, retire. Keep it moving for this one.

[Joe]

I'm gonna tell you, if Micah Parsons, if you are 100% healthy and you can come back and you can move and do all that stuff, we're not telling you to relax or try to slow down your rehab. What I'm saying is, you know, once you hit that football field and you start to play, they're expecting 100%. There's no, you're out there. Oh, no, he's, he's getting back for injury. No, you need to spaz, you need to be getting sacks, you need to be able to be still doing the exact all pro things because you're getting paid as, as a baller. So don't come back in there. Oh, no, he's trying to get back into it because that's going to have you looking weak. You only as good as what your, what your film says. So if you come back, step slower moving forward, you're not Michael Parsons anymore. You got to come back and look like a dog, be getting off that ball, no twitches, none of that little fake stuff. Because it's like, no, now you're getting a little, you're getting older in your career. We already gave you the bag. Is this a thing? Are you injury prone? Is it going to be a one year deal? These prove it deals that are coming to you or. No, that's, that's out the books. This man is getting off the ball. He came back 11 sacks quickly. If he got through half the season, the last nine games of the year, he gets 11 sacks, they're like, okay, that's the same Michael Parsons. Next year you're healthier. 100% ball out. 16, 17 sacks. Now you're back to right where you normally were. You come back gimping a little bit, looking a little crazy. They're not that. That. That's on you. They're going to be like, okay, no, Micah's Parsons injury prone.

[Debo]

Well, yeah, we had you back, but

[Joe]

you really had you back, but you weren't really doing no work.

[Debo]

What's the use of me coming back if I can't?

[Ryan Seacrest]

If.

[Debo]

If you telling me, you go hold that against me, I'll wait till I'm 100 and then you can hold that against me.

[Joe]

They not going, and it's not. They gonna tell you whatever, but it's going to be held against you. If you're playing on fields, it is held against you, period. You shouldn't be out there. Then they'd be like, why are you out there? Because y'.

[Debo]

All.

[Joe]

Because, like, y' all know if you're out there, you better be pooping, period.

[Debo]

No question about it, brother. Do what you doing, Micah. What's best for you. Because, hey, listen, that guaranteed money is there for a reason, for opportunities and things like this that are unfortunate to happen. But so that you do not have to rush back, you can come back at 100, and then you can go ahead and get ready to re up on their ass again somewhat sometime later on down the line. Brother Brandon Marshall, they say, is facing criticism for disciplining his son. Making a run at 2:00 in the morning. Look at, look, look, look at this. Look at, look at, look at this, Joe.

[Joe]

Okay?

[Debo]

It's no different than when we were in la Santa Monica, running at midnight on the pair. We wanted to do that.

[Joe]

We love to do that.

[Debo]

And then there's correction, then there's discipline.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're walking.

[Debo]

Run, run.

[Joe]

Discipline.

[Debo]

Correction is good. Even two in the morning, we run you. I don't got to put my hands on you, but I'm training you up to be a warrior. I'm training you be up to be a leader, to serve, to have discipline, to be better than me. Run, run. Let's go. If you don't start running, we're gonna go three miles, so you better start running because you don't know when I'm gonna tell you to stop. You don't want to listen. We run. We work two in the morning. Let's go. Faster. I'm driving three miles per hour. You should Be going at eight or nine miles per hour right now. Go. To the gas station, which is three miles down and back is three miles. I'm at five, I'm at six. There we go. Now we moving.

[Podcast Host]

Run.

[Joe]

Discipline.

[Debo]

That's how you gonna learn it.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Debo]

What do you think, Joe?

[Joe]

So

[Debo]

here, I'm gonna let you see, I guess. So on the page right here, they got a. It's like four comments that were the top comments on this page, okay? One of them said, that's family business, not Instagram business. Okay? Another one said, I don't know about discipline, but definitely gave him something to unpack in therapy in 20 years. Another one said, sir, this is whack and embarrassing. I have four men, all whom I had to discipline at some point, but never embarrassed my children, especially in this area. This has gone viral. So the amount of jokes and laughs from his peers have gotten. He has gotten. Could shatter his confidence. Kings, real kings, move with stern but fair hand and always protect the kingdom. This is completely not needed, but you do what you do. Another one, the last one said, you should never discipline a child with embarrassment. It messes up their mental, their mental health.

[Joe]

State.

[Debo]

Kids are people too. This is so lame. It didn't need to be public. If this is how you wanted to discipline, that's fine. It you did this to show off on the Internet. I hope you take this down and I've read some of your comments. Learn how to take constructive criticism, my guy. Most of us aren't trying to hurt you, just giving good feedback. Take care, Joe. What do you think, Joe?

[Joe]

Man, I think Brandon Marshall gets to discipline his kid however he wants to discipline his kid. I think the posting it on the Internet might be the only thing that I would have probably not have done because describes on what did your kid do? You're disciplining your son. Somebody, right?

[Debo]

We don't know what he did.

[Joe]

We don't know what he did. I don't know what the things are. So I'm just gonna go with if he's disciplining his son, having to make him run outside at 2am that's not like if that. Like he did not. There's, there's consequences to actions. He said his son is not listening. So there's going to have to be. There's, there's actions. So he's saying he's going to discipline him in the way that he wants to discipline him. There's going to be acts. There's going to be consequences for you not listening to your Father. So I don't know if people want to. However they decide how to do it. He's disciplining his son a certain type of way. He's not putting his hands on him. He's not doing nothing. But he knows there's consequences for you not listening to me. And that's what a father should do. Because out there in the real world, people don't. There's not. There's consequences to your actions. So the way that he raised his son, I only think that just putting him on the Internet and showing all that like that might be the only thing I wouldn't have done. Because that's a. That's a you and your son thing. You handle your relationship. You discipline him how you want to, but the putting it. And he's not embarrassing him. I mean, it is what it is. Your son. He's not listening. You should be embarrassed. Like, I don't think that's. That's. He's not. That isn't bad. Like, what. People get all. And if only embarrassing your kid. You have to deal with that. I'm like, what? Like, it is what it is. People getting picked on all the time. But that's just.

[Debo]

Thank you.

[Joe]

That's something that's happened. Like, get some girl some tough skin. Like, it is what it is. He wasn't just whooping and making them look crazy, giving them haircuts. You know, you don't listen to your parents. You seen the joints. They zip the whole son's head. Just give him a whole little haircut right in the middle of his head and send them to school. That's embarrassing. Some of that. That stuff is a little wild. Having his son run down the street, a little jog. He's sitting at three miles an hour. Like, okay. Like, he's. That's what he's doing with his kid. He said we were doing it in Santa Monica at the pier. You know what I'm saying? As a fun thing. They do conditioning normally. So instead he's not whooping. Like, son, you about to go run 2 o' clock in the morning. Because you weren't listening. That's his thing that he had with his son. So I'm not against. I'm not mad at it at all. I would say the only thing was he didn't. You wouldn't have to post it on Instagram, but if you did, that's on you. I mean, it's. And I don't see anything too bad with that at all.

[Debo]

Yeah. So. I don't know what he did to, to, to, to get ran at 2 o' clock in the morning. Like I don't know what he did and I don't know if I agree with it, but I damn sure don't disagree. I don't know if I would do it like you said, the way he did it. Yeah. As far as, you know, putting him, you know, on the Internet and, and all that, like, that's something that like, like I couldn't do. You know what I'm saying? Of course my, my discipline is different, you know what I'm saying? My, my discipline was a good old fashioned ass whooping so I could.

[Joe]

My discipline was a good old fashioned

[Debo]

belt too, you know what I'm saying? So, so what? I should have ran them last night when they, when they see Debo.

[Joe]

Hey, no, see, that's crazy. You can't hold up.

[Debo]

I'm still feeling some kind of way about, about my breakfast. About, about my, my breakfast, my, my birthday dinner. Okay. I'm still feeling some kind of way about that. But anyway, let me, let me get, let me, let me get back to this right here. Now, you know, you got people saying, oh, he shouldn't do that, he embarrassing him. And you know he's gonna, he gonna mess up his mental and all that other stuff. First off, I don't know what he did. Maybe he embarrassed his father in front of people.

[Joe]

I'm telling you, that was something that

[Debo]

he did because I was always told, embarrassment, you go, you go get yourself embarrassed. My mama said, hey, where you act up is where you get fucked up. And if you act up in the middle of the grocery store, in the middle, right there, grocery store, where you embarrass me is where I embarrass you. So I don't know what happened there in that process, but again, I wouldn't do it that way.

[Joe]

But I wouldn't do it that way.

[Debo]

I'm against it. Because you know how your kid is going to respond.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

You know, you know you're kidding. When it, when it comes down to a dude, they're saying, I wouldn't do this, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, that's you, that's how you parent your child. You're doing your child, you're doing what's best for your child. To recognize that through this process of what you're calling discipline, this is what's going to work best for my child. That, that ain't what's going to work best for your child or that's not what worked best for you. Mine was spanking ass. Spanking ass. You know why I spanked ass, Joe? Because between the ages of 2 and 6, as soon as he could say yes and no and he understood what yes and no was.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Debo]

I now have a choice to spank that ass. Because I don't have a opportunity to reason and logic with a 2 to 6 year old. I can. Or whatever that agent is. You know what I'm saying?

[Malcolm Glebel]

Yeah.

[Debo]

I didn't whip my children out of anger. I whipped my children out of discipline. So if you do A, then you get B. You do A, then you get B. It was never A. Oh, you know what? Let me tell him something. Five, six, seven, eight times. And now I'm mad and I want to whoop him.

[Joe]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no,

[Debo]

no, no, no, no, no.

[Joe]

It's no, it's no emotion. There's no emotion.

[Debo]

Yes, dude, it's no emotion. It's. Identify the behavior. Correct. When things are. They get older and now they can reason and understand stuff. You take the belt away. Or maybe they understand a little sooner because me, I didn't realize the escalation. Okay? So mine started off with a hand belt, you know, and then it jumped higher than the belt. Mine stopped at a belt. My kids couldn't take no ass with me. You realized earlier they couldn't take that. So. Yeah, I actually thought my youngest was gonna be the issue, you know what I'm saying? Because I popped him when he was like 2, and he gave me the. Gave me the look. I'm like, oh, oh, oh. So I went on ahead. I'm like, hey. I'm trying to tell him, like, come up here. When I call you. You come up here.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

I said, don't move him. I'm coming down there. I popped that leg, right? So I walked back upstairs. He's still standing there. I said, come here. He ain't coming. I went right back down there again. I said, pop that leg, dude. By the time I got up the steps, went to turn around, he was on my tail.

[Joe]

On your heels?

[Debo]

Knocked him down trying to turn. So, like, I knew it was gonna happen. But for me, my escalation was a damn extension cord, bro. I never forget it, dude. I was 14, bro. I was 14 years old, man. And all my sisters and brothers are there, like, all my sisters and brothers at the house. My mama, she like, oh, come on up, Come on up. Come on up here. I'm about to whip your ass. I'm like, what?

[Joe]

What did you did you did something

[Debo]

Joe, I don't even remember what I did.

[Joe]

Okay, all right. Okay. Wildness. Had to.

[Debo]

Hey, no, no. Remember now, my mama. My mama was a disciplinarian. She. Hey. If I say, hey, my mama tell you to take the trash out. If you ain't going to take that trash out in 20 seconds flat. That's disrespectful, and that is disobedience.

[Joe]

It's disrespectful. It's disrespectful. You talking back.

[Debo]

Disobedience.

[Joe]

You didn't say nothing, but you're talking back, okay?

[Debo]

And it ain't no pop. She ain't hands in you. She whooping ass, right? So she's get upstairs. I'm about to whip your ass. Okay, cool. My. All. My sister and brother's down there. She get upstairs, she do her thing. I'm muscling it up. I ain't dropping. I run back downstairs fast. And my sister's brothers, they like, how. What happened? Did she whip you to hurts. I'm like, you know, whatever, Joe. It's whatever. It's whatever. You know what I'm saying? I'm high style. I'm high. Shining on her. I'm doing all that. Yeah. She came down the steps, okay. She looked at me, she said, okay. She said, I got something for your ass next time. I said, okay, whatever. I'm like, you don't already whip me with that belt and I don't. Yeah, like a man.

[Joe]

I took that like a cheat.

[Debo]

Joe. Joe. I don't know why I said that.

[Joe]

Wild. You're. Wow.

[Debo]

I had the nerve to do something else. I don't even remember what it was, but it was the last time I did everything, anything. Joe. He whipped me with an extension cord.

[Joe]

Joe.

[Debo]

And I can tell you right now, Joe, she only hit me nine times. Nine times, Joe hit me two times. Joe. And I couldn't even stand it. I jumped up out of there like I was like. Like I was a damn crab in hot water. On that second one, bro. Hit me again on that gun. It was two. I couldn't take it. Two.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Take it.

[Joe]

Two.

[Debo]

I'm at six now, Joe, she said, you keep your ass still for three, I might let you get up.

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[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Joe]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's More scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

[Joe]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community, and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Joe]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology. And digital channels, are they enabled to create a deeper connection with our fans?

[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Debo]

I said, Ooh, let me muscle this.

[Joe]

God damn Debo.

[Debo]

Oh, Lord Jesus said, yeah, I told you I had something for your ass next time. I said, joe, I said, I can't. I said, I can't. I can't never do nothing wrong again. Cause I don't know what she gonna escalate to after that.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Debo]

I couldn't take that, Joe.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Debo]

I couldn't take that, Joe.

[Joe]

So, Deebo, this what we saying, though. End of the day, my parents, too, was whooping my ass, and I was never getting my. I had four younger brothers. I'm the oldest of five boys, so there had to be me and my brothers always just fighting around, and we needed to get disciplined. My dad and mom never whooped me without me needing to be whooped. Like I always thought like I deserved. Like I never just walked in the house and got hit upside the head. No, you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing. Boom. So I always knew when I was about to get whooped. And me, I'm opposite to you. I'm scared. I'm crying instantly, trying not to get whooped.

[Debo]

I know my mama gonna be like, what you crying for now? I ain't even gave you nothing.

[Joe]

I know. So I take one. I'm crying, and I don't want to do it no more. So I would be trying to get us out of these whoopings because I know if I'm gonna get what I deserved it. I never walked in there on no dumb stuff. So I. My mom and dad, he's like, it hurts me more than it hurts you, son. I buy you a damn lie in my mind. But I know what he's talking about now because he's like, yes, dude, you can't do this and expect not to get. You know what? I'm saying something. So that's why I always would be good, because I'm like this. If I'm chilling and me and my brothers are doing the right stuff, I will not get belt. I will not get whooped. My dad is chilling. My dad is the coolest dad in the world. But if I mess around and do something stupid and I know I'm about to get whooped, that means you did something dumb. If I know I'm about to get whooped, I'm like, God damn it, why did I do that? You know what I'm saying? Like that. Just knowing there's consequences.

[Debo]

Consequences and repercussions, Joe.

[Joe]

I know right from wrong. So that's why with my boys, I was always on them early, because this is the thing my dad would say, when you see those kids that don't listen to their parents out in the grocery stores and things like that, Shut up, Mom. You know what I'm saying? No, mom, give me this. I'm like this. Oh, my gosh. They're doing that in their homes. So you think that your kid gonna sit there and talk to you? They're talking to you crazy, right?

[Debo]

Crazy. Yur.

[Joe]

People talking to you nuts. Because they're talking to you nuts in your home. They just didn't start that while they're in the store and feel like it's okay for them to be like, shut up, Mom. You're crazy. You give me my cereal. I'm like, oh, my God. What did the kid. Oh, my. Is that kid. My kids are looking at that kid like this. Oh, my God. He said it to his parents. Oh, my God. Oh, no. Oh, no. I'm like this. Yes, son. You see what I see, Joe?

[Debo]

All that candy they check out.

[Joe]

Let me tell you this. Let me tell you.

[Debo]

Scared to get your ass whipped, Debo.

[Joe]

And guess what? That kid is disrespecting their teachers. That kid is disrespecting everybody. Because you walk around now, there's no consequences to whatever you say. You could talk to anybody however you want, and you think it's sweet. You'll walk around to somebody else and get bopped right upside your face. Because that's not the way you talk to people. That's not the way you communicate. It's not nice. It's not kind nor friendly. But when you were a kid and you walking around and you talking to everybody, your Own way. You walk into a room, you don't speak. You just think. Like, you got. I'm like, no, that's not a disciplined child. You follow that child home. You see their parents, they talking to them in the same exact way. And that's what we did not want. So when I walk around, they like, man, you have so respectful kids. They're so nice. They're so kind like this. They better be, because that's the way that I raised them. Because you just have to be nice. You treat yourself. You treat people the way you want to be treated. You walk in, you say, hi. You never disrespect. When you're like the kids. If your son. You're walking around, you want to protect your kids, you tell them, hey, come here. You tell them to stop. Because they're about to walk into the street and get hit by a bus. They don't listen to you. They step out there, they get hit by a bus. My son stop instantly. Boom. Come right over to dad because he knows your dad. You listen to your father. You listen to your father instantly. There's no questions asked. You know why? Because I said so.

[Debo]

Ain't no why.

[Joe]

There's no why. Because I said so. Because I'm doing what's best for you. And you know that I would never tell you to do something that you don't need to do. Because I said so.

[Debo]

Thank you.

[Joe]

The purpose.

[Debo]

Thank you, Joe.

[Joe]

Because I said so. That's what I'm talking about, Debo.

[Debo]

Joe.

[Joe]

So we're not trying to be, like, crazy. No, no. We know that there's somebody that has to be law. And I'm not. When you say I'm not your friend. I'm your dad. I'm your dad.

[Debo]

No question.

[Joe]

I'm gonna grow up.

[Debo]

I can be your friend. Later in life, I'll be your friend.

[Joe]

But I'm right now. I'm your father. And I have to teach you the right and wrong way. What's good, what's bad. Discipline. Because then you'll know when you walking around, I need to know, My son. Know. And then when you do wrong, that was a choice that you made, son, because you knew. I taught you the difference between right and wrong. I taught you the right thing to do and the wrong thing to do. Now, you made a conscious decision yourself to do the wrong decision.

[Debo]

Ha.

[Joe]

That's on you, Bubs. You know what I'm saying? But when you in my household, you gonna know what's up in a good way. No, no, no. I'M not bullying you. I'm not trying to. But you know, when you're walking around here, you walking around here smooth, you being nice, you being, you're not. Nothing's happening. We all living good. You come here talking crazy. Who the are you talking to, son? There's.

[Debo]

Oh.

[Joe]

Oh, snap.

[Debo]

Here's the problem. Here's the problem with a lot of what, a lot of families or a lot of. A lot of parents that don't discipline. Some kids cannot. Don't have to be physically dis. Yes, very few, Very few. Because here's what you're going to run into is once that child realizes that you are not, there's going to be no actual physical punishment or discipline for what they do wrong. I don't have to listen to anything you say. James, go stand in the corner. I say, no, I'm not standing in the corner. Just a buck. Well, what you gonna do? Well, you better go stand in the corner. Well, I'm not gonna stand in the corner. I'm going to do this. Well, I'm gonna get your father. What will he go do? He whoop ass? No. Okay. I don't. I'm not doing it.

[Joe]

Now he's gonna talk to me too. I'm have a conversation.

[Debo]

Physical punishment. No physical punishment for this. They don't have to listen anymore. They become adults that don't listen. Now you wonder why he's sitting over here locked up while he's at school getting kicked out. Because he's not listening. There's no punishment. And then he realizes that all I can go and do this and say that, and nothing happens until he runs into somebody. That's like one of my kids that been taught somebody say something to you, put their hands on you. It's two different things. He can say whatever you want. You ain't tripping on that. Okay, we go, we gonna let that ride. But the minute he touches you, I don't give a damn if he puts a finger on you. You let him know, you touch me again and I'm a thrash. And then you go and whoop his ass. And that. Or you give all you can to do it. Because at the end of the day, dude, they got to realize there's repercussions and consequences. And when there's no actual physical punishment, especially for a child that realizes that I can do whatever I want to and my punishment is, if I don't want to listen, I don't have to listen. And there's nothing that happens from that. It's over. It's over with, dude. You have not a leg to stand on. You ain't got a boot to piss in or a window to throw it out of the.

[Joe]

It was 80s babies, right?

[Debo]

Just pray. Pray to God, get on your hands and knees, because that's all you got left. That's all you got left.

[Joe]

When was you born, Debo?

[Debo]

I was born in 78, baby.

[Joe]

Oh, yep. You 78 out. 89. That's just. That's.

[Debo]

Bro, you missed the whole 80s, bro.

[Joe]

I missed the whole. I was. I was still 80s. I made it.

[Debo]

Nah, 89. Not really. That's like me saying.

[Joe]

How you gonna say 89 isn't in the 80s? It starts with an 80, understand?

[Debo]

But damn, I mean, I'm mamas.

[Joe]

The kids born in 99, they really born in 2000. Don't steal it from me.

[Debo]

You might get them 2000.

[Joe]

I mean, I'm an 80s baby. 80s, baby. That's why. You know what I'm saying? I feel like 80. I feel like if you were born in 1989, you got everything. You got a little bit of everything if you're 37 years old right now, yo. Yeah, you prime. You prime young and prime. You got.

[Debo]

I don't know about that, Joe. You ain't.

[Joe]

I'm telling you, the 80s. The 80s. If you was born in the 80s.

[Debo]

Did you catch. Did you catch the. The free lunch at the pool during the summer?

[Joe]

Yes, Debo.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

Come on, man.

[Debo]

I'm just checking.

[Joe]

Hey, you already know.

[Debo]

Let's jump into these super chats, man.

[Joe]

Let's get it, man.

[Debo]

Super chat. Lady Iron 23. $5. Appreciate you. She said.

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Debo]

Happy belated Father's Day to my. To. Happy belated Father's Day to my two favorite. Morning guy.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Yes.

[Joe]

Love you.

[Debo]

Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Love you back. Mike. Mike. $105. Said. What up, Debo? And Joe Sanders wins Browns. A Super Bowl. Be bigger and crazier parade than the Knicks if Sanders wins the Browns.

[Joe]

Yes, yes.

[Debo]

Listen.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Listen.

[Joe]

I'm trying to tell you.

[Debo]

Oh, my God, man.

[Joe]

You thought Braun took over the city. That man.

[Debo]

What? Let's play the what if game. We know that ain't gonna happen for the Browns, man.

[Joe]

They disrespect the shit. Do some craziness like that. We putting the statue. I'm putting it up day of. All right, go ahead, go ahead. Keep going, keep going. Keep going.

[Debo]

Stop playing. Joe. Covenant life. She back 10 out of. First of all, happy Father's Day to the both of you. Also, thank you, Coveted. Men of God. Thank you very much. Devoiry. Debo. I have a. I said. I said, like you, Devo, I have an Applebee's card for you because you love cheap stuff. And Joe, I have a Zo steak and seafood card for you. Yeah, I'm not saying that I love cheap stuff. I love what I can afford and still be able to keep a roof over my head. That's like. That's what I love. I love to be able to.

[Joe]

To.

[Debo]

To live, you know, every day and not be like, oh, snap, am I gonna eat today and. And splurge and not be able to eat tomorrow? You know, that's what I. That's where I'm at with it.

[Joe]

That's why. Okay.

[Debo]

Like, I don't. You know, that's. We got Covenant Life.

[Ryan Seacrest]

She is.

[Joe]

We got Coveted. Come on, Coveted.

[Debo]

She said, Joe, what's up, my guy? As a Browns fan slash player and dad spent your years explaining things that don't make sense. Damn, you're qualified. You're overqualified.

[Joe]

Hey, Coveted.

[Debo]

I was waiting for you to say something.

[Joe]

Grumpy.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Damn.

[Joe]

Covered it. That was a good one. But listen, we got time. We're gonna watch the season. We're gonna watch it unfold. Yep, yep, yep.

[Debo]

I mean, it's a possibility. Y' all could be looking at, you know, doing a little something and having at least a thousand percent fight in the. In the fight in about two, three years maybe. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Y', all, man, covered it up.

[Debo]

We don't. We don't go ahead and, And, And. And convince Joe Burrow to come on. Come on through. That's, you know, that's the only thing that would basically put y' all back into a. You know, it's gonna be, you know, in the headlock.

[Joe]

Why everybody keep tripping? As long as we understand. Look, by the end of this season, we're gonna know that Shador is him. So then that's. That's.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's.

[Joe]

That's what I'm waiting on. By that time, then that's when we're gonna know.

[Debo]

Okay? We just. We just. We got another one right here. We got candy glue here. 826-65-6000. Said rocking my. Rocking my Debo Time shirt at the gym. What bicep tips you got? All right, look here. This is what you do. You want to do like a. I want to do like a giant set. Yeah, we'll do like a, say a low pulley, close grip curl. Lay that down to a Incline, comfort, curl and then hit that to a.

[Joe]

Hammers.

[Debo]

You want to do hammer curls?

[Joe]

Yeah. Get that mess.

[Debo]

All right, so low pulley close right here. Tight here. Comfort. It's out here. Arms out like this. Literally hanging down. Incline to here. And then the other ones hammer here.

[Joe]

Boom. Yep.

[Debo]

There you go. There you go.

[Joe]

You know. I know.

[Debo]

We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe. And oh, we got Covenant life back.

[Joe]

Oh, coveted. What's up?

[Debo]

Like back. She said $10. She said. Joe, the Browns finally gave you a father's day gift. One less excuse for why Pittsburgh gives living rent free and keeps living rent free in Cleveland's head. Love you, Joe. You know it.

[Joe]

All right. I can't wait till this season. I'm gonna be on yours.

[Debo]

I'm trying to tell you, man, y' all start liking these episodes, man. Get it up there, man. We appreciate y', all, man. We will be back here whenever Joe say we go be back here. But again, thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you, like, subscribe and download where you get your show. Joe, come on.

[Joe]

We will see you tomorrow. Same time, same place. Let's get it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Joe]

Big transfer news today who's moving me to the couch with Domino's. Best deal ever since they just added stuffed crust.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Any pizza, any toppings? Now with stuffed crust for 9.99.

[Joe]

It's a long term contract with no release clause.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Only 9.99? Yeah, that sounds like the move. I'm heading straight to dom.

[Debo]

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[Joe]

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[Debo]

Select this offer from 615 through 726 online only.

[Joe]

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[Debo]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

M M's popped caramel do sound different.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Oh no.

[Ryan Seacrest]

People are going to be obsessed.

[Debo]

What do you mean?

[Ryan Seacrest]

People hate the sound of chewing. Maybe they won't like the crunch.

[Debo]

Maybe we're saved.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wait a minute. Yellow. Have you been eating them this whole time?

[Podcast Host]

Mmm.

[Debo]

So tasty.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hands off us.

[Debo]

M&M's popped caramel. It's more fun together.

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