Deebo & Joe - Part 1: AARON RODGERS RETURNS! James Harrison & Joe Haden REACT

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Nightcap Podcast Summary

Episode: Deebo & Joe - Part 1: AARON RODGERS RETURNS! James Harrison & Joe Haden REACT
Date: May 18, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap brings unfiltered, late-night sports talk with Pittsburgh legends James Harrison and Joe Haden. The duo breaks down major NFL moves—most notably Aaron Rodgers' headline-making return to the Steelers on a fresh deal. Beyond football, Deebo and Joe chop it up over the NBA playoffs, discuss the future for the Browns, and share their always animated, fan-first perspectives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weekend Recap & Fan Interactions

• Deebo’s Signing Event:
  • Harrison shares a fun story about his time signing autographs at Monroeville Convention Center, including a lighthearted moment with a young fan in a DK Metcalf jersey.
  • [04:29–05:41]
  • Quote: "I'm trying to show fans love, man, because that's what it is. Steelers nation showed up and showed out." — James Harrison [05:37]

2. NBA Playoff Banter & Cleveland/District Rivalry

• Cavs vs. Pistons Reaction:
  • Joe is hyped about Cleveland advancing, while James facetiously accepts "rooting for Cleveland," despite his long-harbored anti-Cleveland biases due to Pittsburgh’s lack of an NBA team.
  • [05:48–12:00]
  • Quote: "Pittsburgh ain't got no basketball team. The closest thing is Cleveland, right up the street. I'm from Akron, Ohio... This is what I'm gonna do—it's gonna kill my soul...I'm gonna try and root for them, okay?" — James Harrison [07:29]
• Game Analysis:
  • Joe emphasizes Cleveland’s team play, rebounding, and physicality in blowing out Detroit in Game 7 (winning by 31).
  • Both hosts roast the prevalence of "push-offs" and flopping in today's NBA, singling out stars like James Harden and Donovan Mitchell.
  • [09:15–10:47]
  • Quote: "What I don't like is James Harden. When you shoot your left-hand trey ball, don't kick your feet out and just flop it." — Joe Haden [11:10]

3. The Aaron Rodgers Return Saga: Steelers Edition

• Rodgers' New Deal:
  • Confirmation and in-depth breakdown of Aaron Rodgers returning to Pittsburgh on a 1-year deal (up to $25M, base $22–23M, with incentives).
  • [17:24–24:00]
  • The value of Rodgers' leadership and what it means for Steelers vets chasing a ring (names: Cam Heyward, Chris Boswell, TJ Watt, Jalen Ramsey).
• Negotiation Details:
  • James details the back-and-forth, including initial lower offers ($15M) that led to Rodgers "having to come to the table."
  • [18:23–19:47]
  • Quote: "Aaron Rodgers is not coming back for $15 million. Before he came back for $15 million, he’d retire!" — James Harrison [18:24]
• Roster Implications:
  • The veterans and younger QBs benefit from Rodgers, but it will slow the development of the next generation (notably, Will Howard and Drew Aller), framing this as a classic "win now" move.
  • [20:06–21:29]
  • Quote: "The knowledge and information... having him for another year, I feel like that's priceless." — James Harrison [20:51]

4. Steelers’ Organizational Perspective

• Timing and Cap Conversation:
  • Joe gives the organizational perspective, lauding the Steelers for getting the deal done before OTAs—removing drama and stabilizing the team's direction.
  • Contract context places Rodgers as the 17th-highest paid QB in the league: "Perfect. That’s fine."
  • [23:10–25:34]
  • Quote: "Now we have Aaron Rodgers on this team...with Michael Pittman Jr., DK Metcalf, Jalen Warren, Mount Washington...the vision for the Steelers now is, we’re running it back with new talent." — Joe Haden [29:21]
• Team Outlook:
  • This is the window for veteran Steelers. If Rodgers wins a Super Bowl, James speculates it could be hard for him to walk away.
  • [22:13–23:10]

5. Quarterback Room Debate

• Who is the odd man out?
  • Mike Florio is cited as believing Will Howard is out, but James and Joe disagree, feeling Mason Rudolph's time as a backup is over to make way for younger talents.
  • They dissect Rudolph’s record (9-9 as starter, average numbers, “eight years as a career backup is enough”).
  • [32:37–38:10]
  • Quote: "You're telling me you're going to keep [Rudolph] opposed to two guys you don't know what they can do? Mike Florio is tripping, tripping." — James Harrison [36:12]

6. Cleveland Browns’ Trajectory (“The Browns are coming!”)

• Coach Deion “Prime” Sanders’ Warning:
  • Deion’s media signal that the Browns are building something—via impressive rookie classes and defensive core—sparks debate.
  • [38:10–43:23]
  • Harrison is skeptical ("Where are they coming to?"), but Haden (ex-Brown) deeply analyzes Cleveland’s traditional issues at offense, lack of stability at QB, and what it would take to go from “close” to contenders.
  • Quote: "If you have an offense that they want to look at the same way...when they come off the field actually disappointed that they didn’t put points on the board...that’s something that...when I went to the Pittsburgh Steelers, I was like, wow, this is crazy." — Joe Haden [44:51]
• Special Teams:
  • Both hosts note special teams failings as a key area Cleveland must improve.
  • [49:20–49:44]

7. Candid, Fan-First Energy

• Authenticity:
  • Both hosts riff humorously on the ease of the schedule, player trades, and the stress of rooting hard post-retirement.
  • "[If] I won the championship every year, I would give zero. Zero. I would not care. Zero!" — James Harrison [50:20]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On becoming a Cavs fan (reluctantly):

  • "It's like starting your walk with the Lord. Yeah, but this is a lot worse because I got some hate for them." — James Harrison [08:22]

• On the Rodgers contract negotiations:

  • "We told them boys, we said, Aaron Rodgers is not coming back for the same price that he played for last year...he would retire before he did that." — James Harrison [18:24]

• On backup QBs:

  • "He has been in the league for eight years as a career backup. He has not went any further...Mike Florio is tripping, tripping." — James Harrison [36:12]

• On the Browns’ persistent struggles:

  • "You gotta have a quarterback. We've had so many quarterbacks through the trajectory of the Browns...when you're on defense and you continue to get three and outs...and you get nothing, that's demoralizing." — Joe Haden [44:51]

• On special teams woes:

  • "Your special teams can lose you a whole game on five plays." — James Harrison [49:31]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Weekend Recap & Fan Love: [04:29–05:41]
• NBA Playoff Debate / Cavs Advancing: [05:48–12:00]
• Aaron Rodgers Steelers Contract Announced: [17:24–24:00]
• QB Room Controversy (Rudolph vs. Howard/Aller): [32:37–38:10]
• Cleveland Browns Breakdown: [38:10–49:50]
• Fan/Player Emotional Realness & The 'Live Show' Energy: [50:58–52:09]

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Summary Flow & Tone

Nightcap delivers what fans love: raw, unfiltered analysis, nostalgia, and authenticity. Harrison and Haden bring personal experience, humor, and some old-school shade to the night’s biggest headlines. The episode is heavy on Steelers optimism, measured hope for Cleveland, and ever-present skepticism of media “narratives.” Their rapport and banter make this must-listen for any NFL (and NBA!) fan, even those who missed the episode.

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[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing amazing, my good brother, Deebo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Ditto, ditto, man. I'm doing amazing too, man. I had a good time this weekend, man. I was out here at the Monroeville Convention center, man. Hey, yeah, did a sign in a couple, you know, did a couple, a couple days of signing, man. The fans came out. They show love, man. I show love.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah. All that we talk about, we gonna

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

get and you know, and I was talking to. I was talking to this little girl, man, and yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw you.

[Joe Hayden]

I saw you do the interview with your girl. I saw you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Why you trying to. Why you trying to speedball me? Why you. Why you trying to. Guess who didn't give me the J's though?

[Joe Hayden]

You didn't get those J, man. You got the J, man. Didn't those. Those were o. Those were OVO12s too, that you had on straight joints.

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[Joe Hayden]

You be a new album, brother. You know, I know the shoes. I know everything. I'm hip. The shoes you had on were fresh. The video with the little girl. She had on the number 4 DK Metcalf jersey. I peeped you, Debo. I be watching you, my brother. But that's neither here nor there. We're gonna talk about that after the fact that we talk about.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, man, I'm trying to. I'm trying to show fans love, man, because that's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

This is about stealing good stuff. Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Steelers nation. Yeah. Showed up and showed out.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. They sure did.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what I'm talking about. Okay, now we got Aaron Rodgers on the 1.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to talk about Arab, but we got to go first to the Cavs. First. Cavs. Real quick. First. Cat.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What is Cavs? Do they play? Is that a new football team? That's. New one in the league. That's new. That's. New team coming to the league for football, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a. That's.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a basketball team that we were talking about. We were talking about Detroit and this quick. Basketball. You see me.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hold on, hold on. What you're talking about.

[Joe Hayden]

We're talking about championships. Talking about winning titles.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Basketball.

[Joe Hayden]

Basketball titles.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Basketball. We're talking about basketball. All right, let's talk about basketball, then.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. That's what we gonna do for sure at the top. Because it's still off season. They got optional workouts going on with football season, still basketball. We're trying to win more rings, trying to bring more rings to the lane, because you was talking all that Detroit, all that Little Caesar's Arena. But I ain't gonna lie to you, Deebo. You had me shook. Game six because when I expected it to go, it didn't go the way I expected. So I was hoping and praying that it went down, that we had game seven. It went down so we could come back to the show and. And I can let you know I'm. We're advancing. You're not. So I'm gonna give flowers. And who is we, bro?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, I told you, I ain't a Detroit fan. I'm just against Cleveland.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, well, whatever.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, this is what I'm gonna do, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm gonna give a peace offering, man. I'm so cold in the deep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, man, I'm gonna give a peace offering. Here go my peace offering.

[Joe Hayden]

What's up?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Pittsburgh ain't got no basketball team.

[Joe Hayden]

They don't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

The closest thing is Cleveland, right up the street. I'm from Akron, Ohio. You are AK Rowdy Roddy West. Side. Summer County.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So this is what I'm gonna do for you.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, Debo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's gonna kill my soul to root.

[Joe Hayden]

It was not you from.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, I'm gonna tell you right now. Listen, listen, listen. This is what you have to do. You're gonna have to remind me now. You have to remind me, all right? I'm. I'm starting a new thing. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Because you don't even do basketball.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, listen, listen. This is new. I do.

[Joe Hayden]

I do a little bit of basketball. I do a little bit of basketball.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But. All right, but it's a new thing. It's a new thing. Rooting for Cleveland now, okay? So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna try and root for him, okay? I'm trying my best.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Trying to stay on. I'm trying to stay on, like, straight. But I'm. You know, it's new, okay? It's like starting your walk with the Lord. Yeah, but this is a lot worse because I got some hate for them.

[Joe Hayden]

I love the Lord.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Just dislike. I ain't gonna say, hey, hate a strong word. I got some dislike.

[Joe Hayden]

Just rock with me.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm roll with you. I'm gonna roll with you, But I'm gonna tell you. Listen, listen, listen. You gonna have to. Hey, remember you. You rolling with us now. You gonna have to remind me. Cause I'm liable to crash out, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's the thing. I'm gonna keep you real balanced. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna let you know what's going on. I'm gonna give honest takes. Because game six was crazy. We got bullied out there in Little Caesar's Arena. Detroit came out there and balled Cade Cunningham. All of his other talent, too. My man. What's my man name? Avery.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, I'm gonna tell you right now, man was dapping up each other, like, with their elbows. And they was eating that Little Caesar piece.

[Joe Hayden]

See, they tried to get physical.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Fourth quarter, they was doing that to y'. All.

[Joe Hayden]

Game seven, we won by 31. Donovan Mitchell came out there dishing the ball to everybody the way he needed to. Jerry Allen, Mobley, James Harden, str.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

How long was they in the bonus?

[Joe Hayden]

How long was they in the bonus? What you mean?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

The whole damn game?

[Joe Hayden]

Hope. Debo. Listen, don't worry about it, man. Listen, we was not flopping. We was out there being more physical. We defensive rebounds, turnovers. Jared Allen was hooping. Mobiley hooping. When our big man are balling. And Donovan was Getting them involved early. He had more assists than he knew. He averaged three assists a game. He had.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Stop it.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't want to hear that. So long story short, we got we up against the Knicks now, Debo. And that's a whole. Nother. That's a whole.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Can you just please acknowledge the fact that. That there was. It was some flopping on.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, okay. Thank you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All right. Thank you. That's all I need. That's.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the NBA that we're looking at now. That's only everybody's doing. Put everybody all that. Everybody's pushing off to get open. Everybody's just doing this joint like it's nothing. They're stiff arming on offense. It's the offensive game. There's so many offensive fouls every time. They're pushing off every play. So we're doing the same thing. That's why I'm. Domin Mitchell, he be doing his push off. James Harden does his push offs.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I just don't like y' all the only one pushing off.

[Joe Hayden]

No. Heck no. Cade Cunningham does the joint too. He got an offensive foul on the one time. But K. Cunningham does it and I'm not trying to knock it. Shay, Gilder, Alexander, Jalen Brunson. The ball is everybody they're using to push off of the left arm for sure. I'm not mad at it. What I don't like is James Harden. When you shoot your left hand trey ball, don't kick your feet out. Don't kick your feet out and just flop it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's before I start going Cleveland. Before I start going Cleveland. Let me tell you this though.

[Joe Hayden]

What's up?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You gotta meet sga. It's gonna be smoking the city.

[Joe Hayden]

It's gonna be smoking the city. I completely understand that. I'm just saying we gonna get. We have to beat. We gotta beat these Knicks. The Knicks are nice. Brunson's nice.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I don't know if I could do this. I swear I don't know if I could. Something in me, I don't know what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

This one, I'm telling you. Just get ready to watch this. There's four teams left. We got the spurs playing okc.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's heavy on my heart.

[Joe Hayden]

The spurs were beating them during the regular season. So it's going to be a battle over there. Whoever makes it from the west, they're favored to win it regardless. Us versus the Knicks. You are us. Debo, you are us. You are the. Cleveland, you are with me. Me, Donovan Mitchell. Okay.

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm gonna go with that. I'm try. I'm gonna try to go with that. I'm gonna try and go with that. All right. I'm trying. I'm gonna go with it. I'm an A. Go Cavs. Let's go.

[Joe Hayden]

Let's go.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hoop team basketball. There you go. Let's do it. I ain't gonna say nothing about what happened when they showed the whole script and all that because they got mad at me because I told. And then they changed it up and then they showed the world. And that's why. Listen, I'm telling you. Listen, listen. I'm just saying, man. That's why they got blew out so bad. They was like, oh, now y' all changed the script on us. They was just, you know, they was. They was like deflated, bro. They was like, now we gotta lose. They was trying to pull. They were supposed to keep it close, but they didn't. It was like 31 now. So I'm just saying, bro, because they

[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

6. So we're just saying, bro, we had to come and put belt to S, bro. It's all good.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm just telling you, man. That's sometimes that's how it's happened, man. Cause I ain't gonna lie to you, man. Like, you know, I had to follow the script one time, man. The super bowl lost.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, I ain't gonna, you know, Zibo, you're lying.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

You're lying. You lying. They ain't telling you what to do out there. You trying to win. Don't see You t. Bo that's what I'm telling you. Get the line sometimes. And that's what's your credibility get to get in favor. Because that's. You get the line, you be telling the truth, dabbling in the lies.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, listen, man, anybody think this is scripting you out of your rabbit ass mind?

[Joe Hayden]

Nobody.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Come on, man, Nobody.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm. You cannot telling me that. I'm trying to get a pick. Would the script tell me, can I get to pick every play? Hey, I'm getting beat on any play. If I'm getting beat on any play, I'm not going with the script.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I am not going with that. Crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

No. He gonna have to show me crazy.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, Joe. Now we can finally stop talking about all the people talking about, yes, Aaron Rodgers. What he go do, what he ain't gonna do here? Aaron Rodgers, he's here, signed a one year deal or will sign a one year deal with the Steelers. They say the deal is worth up to 25 million including a base salary between 22 and 23 million with a few million in incentives. Distillers voluntary offseason practices begin today. Rogers is expected to be there. Actually, don't it start? Did it start already? It should have started already. Did he come? We go find out?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Rogers didn't commit to the Steelers, I guess until last year. Well, we knew after the mandatory mini camp in June this year he will be there early. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Come on, bro.

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Come on, Debo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

How you feeling?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

When we first started, man, we told them boys, we said, eric Rogers is not coming back for the same price that he played for Yassia. Okay? He outplayed that contract. And without him, I 100 believe we don't get a 500 record. So man rightfully wants to be paid the value that reflects that now. Or I was a thought process that like yo when he went on the Pat McAfee show, he's telling me like, yo ain't gave me nothing to look at, they ain't showed me nothing. So I have nothing to make a decision on. On, you know what I'm going to do as far as my decision to be on the Steeler or blah, blah, blah, blah. So the Steelers went and said, hey man, we go put this special, this special tender on you and you can get 15 million. And I said, then Aaron Rodgers is not coming back for 15 million. And I believe 100 that before he came back with 15 million he would retire before he did that. But what that deal did was it made Aaron have to come to the table. And they had to start talking. Okay. They had discussions because now the Steelers gave him a number. He's like, yo, I ain't really, you know, the number that I'm looking for or the number that I'm able to come back for.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They sit down, they talk with your bottom line. Stillers say, all right, what's your top line? You know? And then some way, they come together and they came to what the number was that they've agreed upon. He gets, he wants, and we get what we want.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But with Aaron back, it's a little added bonus. Now, the young one drew out who didn't get any time with, hey, he gets time with a rod now. He gets to be under the veteran leadership. The experience, you know, of a future hall of Famer, along with that, it's a plus and a negative. But Will Howard, he gets another year, but it's going to slow down his own field game time and experience and all that. But the knowledge and information that, you know, he's going to get or acquire, like, having him for another year, I feel like that's priceless. Yeah, sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Do you have to rush it? You don't have to rush it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Right. Right. Now, Aaron Rodgers obviously gives us the best opportunity to get the most out of our team. Yes. And potentially catch lightning in the bottom. Potentially catch lightning in the bottom. Great. Okay. Which will give guys like Cam Hayward, Chris Boswell, TJ Watt, Jalen Ramsey opportunity to get a championship.

[Joe Hayden]

Thousand percent.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I know they want it. You know, that's. That's the only accolade that some of them are missing in their careers. So as for me, I love it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like I've been telling y', all, listen, I wasn't worried about what was gonna happen on the offensive side because we were going to be able to be protective and run the ball well. So we'll be able to protect the ball. Don't turn the ball over and be able to run the ball. So now we got a rock. For sure. For sure. He did last year. Okay. At 42, 43, whatever it is.

[Joe Hayden]

42. Turning 43.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

At 42. Turning 43. Listen, if Aaron Rodgers is able to get out there, brother, and catch that lightning in the bottom and win a Super bowl championship, and what is more likely than not his last year in the NFL? Bro, that's storybook. That's what you're looking for, bro. You're looking for the storybook, man. But, hey, Joe, I will say this, though.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

If it happens And Aaron does win another championship, I think it's going to be difficult, if not damn near impossible, for him to retire, especially if they win it in the fashion in which I believe the record should be. Because now in your head, you have to be thinking it's an opportunity to repeat.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, you know, this was okay, Debo. Okay. I hear him with the repeating. I'm hearing everything. Okay. I'm trying to go with this. This year first you going to the future, winning the Super Bowl. We're going. Best case scenario, we were all talking the same talk right now. I'm super happy that finally Aaron Rodgers is. There's no, there's no gray. The Steelers, the whole time new they were talking with Aaron Rodgers. They were in communications, they had the plan going on. So in my standpoint, as far as like doing it with the media, answering all these questions, just trying to bring stuff up, but they, the Steelers were never wavering in what they felt. They were always expecting him and hoping him to sign early, but they were always in communication, always, never wavered, bringing in talent, doing everything they had to do. So now, just for me, in an organizational standpoint, kudos to the Steelers. He signed earlier than he did last year. We're asking all of these questions about what was up a Rod. I'm like, he didn't come none of the OTAs, none of these camps. He was right before training camp in June. So now for them to. It was just a lot going on. So for him to sign before OTAs, optional OTAs, this is before he did last year, this is a whole earlier situation. So now it's a better situation than it was last season. All of that quarterback controversy talk. The Steelers were in their same position. When you talk about the money, and I wasn't really thinking about it as much at the time, but a rod when they sent them out the 15 and then him to get the 22 with option up to 25, that makes him the 17th highest paid quarterback in the NFL. And when you look at it, I'm like, perfect. That's fine. Everybody else under Aaron Rodgers is on their rookie contracts. You know what I'm saying? Besides Malik Willis is the only one. He's making $22 million a year. A Rod signed basically the same thing with incentives to go up to 25. So everybody else is under that. So it's just. That's the money speaks for what it is. We're going to get a rod at 17th highest paid quarterback in the league. You got dudes like it goes dak Prescott Joe Burrow Josh Allen Jordan Love Trevor Lawrence Jared Goff Brock Purdy Justin Herbert Lamar Jackson Jalen Hurts Desean Watson Patrick Mahomes Daniel Jones making 44 Sam Darnold making 33 Baker Mayfield making 33. So all those quarterbacks and then you make the jump from there to Fernando Mendoza making $14 million a year.

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[Joe Hayden]

at a quarterback for Aaron Rodgers that's not on the rookie deal. All those other guys smooth. They're making 33, he's making 22 with an option of 25. Boom. Now we have Aaron Rodgers on this team and when you're saying best case scenarios they were building this team to be successful without Aaron Rodgers. We have him here now on the team knowing that we're going to have him with Michael Pittman Jr. With DK Metcalf with Fire Move well with Mount Washington, you know what I'm saying. With Jalen Warren at the running back with Rico Doddle with the linemen now that we have with the new parts that we have on defense or making sure the special teams is going to be where the special teams is going to be. The vision for the Steelers now is, you know obviously with the talent we had last year is we're running it back with new talent with new pieces with Aaron Rodgers knowing that our offense is going to be some of these plays with we can go down the field a little more if our running game is legit. Now these individual matchups he's going to be able to throw those one on ones. Dk, your year wasn't as good as you want it to be. You, you're ready to perform too. I understand you you know you got some things to prove. So the names that we have on the team and the talent that we have are more and willing and capable to go and perform and do some special things. So now it's like, all right, bet we got a rod on your last. This I'm thinking for me, if you saying we win the super bowl, we'll see what happens next year. This is more for me final hurrah. Rod. You're going on, you're going to be 43 this year. If you do come back. I mean we do have younger quarterbacks, we have pieces. We have a team that's building. So eventually organizational wise you will want to have these, one of these younger dudes come up because he's not going to be able to play for but so long. You say one more year after this. But it's like then, then when is Drew that's going to be his second year following. It's going to be Will Allen's third year sitting behind him. So it's like when we ever going to be able to. We got to see these dudes to know what they can do at the same time building the team, doing a great job. So I'm with this team now with Aaron Rodgers signing, if I'm Cam Hayward, if I'm Jalen Ramsey, you know what I'm saying, if I'm the older vets dude.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes guys that are in those years

[Joe Hayden]

right now to win now when the last year's ideal, we're trying to win organizational wise. That's when you want to have for your vets. We're trying to win. Still is never really a down year or low year. You're always still rebuilding. If we lose it Aaron Rodgers and then we can end up with TJ Watt, we can be able to move some parts but like we're always having, we don't really have to rebuild. When you have a team, we are always trying to get those players around. So I'm finally, I'm super excited for the Steelers because now it's no, it's no Gray, it's no Lowell. We going to, we're going to have this team players going to have to ball the new coaches, the system, the defense, everybody's going to have to jail. Now with that, that, that one question was is it going to be Will? Is it going to be out? Like do we like them? Coach McCarthy likes both of them. Now we're figuring out who's going to be. Who's going to be missing out of that room. Now we got four Quarterbacks, you know what I'm saying? So there's different things there. But the biggest point that we got is Aaron Rodgers is signed now officially. There's no. Are they waiting on him? When is he coming? He didn't sign last year until training camp. We got him now early. So good for the Steelers.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Oh, yeah. No question. Right. And speaking of that, the quarterback controversy, with Aaron Rodgers back, one of the other three quarterbacks will be the odd man out, brother. So I guess according to what's his name, Mike Floor Florio, he believes that the odd man out will be Will Howard. And his reasoning is the Steelers supposedly have strong beliefs in the quarterbacks that they had, Mason Rudolph and Will Howard. But he said they then and go and draft a quarterback in the third round. Drew Aller. And his belief is that Drew out here since he was drafted, that he will be there and Mason Rudolph, since he's a veteran that you need to have, you know, as a backup. If it gets hurt, that's why it'll be Aller and. Or why he believes it'll be Aller and Rudolph. Joe, what do you think? Who do you think it will be between Howard and Rudolph?

[Joe Hayden]

I think that it will be Will Howard. Yeah, I like. I like Mason. But you know, he's had his stints with the Steelers. He got drafted there third round. He had his chances to see, you know what I'm saying? Maximize what he would be able to do while he was out there. I know that we're building a team. It's about the parts around them. But I would see last year when he came out there too. Just it's bruh.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like you immediately came out there and gave it back.

[Joe Hayden]

Gave it back. I don't like to talk crazy about it, so I think he might. He. I'm not saying he could be out

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

of the league, but how am I talking crazy? I'm stating facts.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, that's not talking crazy. No, no, no, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not. So we're saying the same thing. I think that he is not going to be a suitable starting quarterback if you're trying to win a championship. He is a suit. He could be a backup somewhere in the league for sure. But with the Steelers now, let's see, Drew, you drafted him, you got. You gave Mason starts. He had opportunities to get out there and show what he could do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

We know, I understand. The backup team with Will.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I'm going With the younger guys that you drafted, at least see what you got.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Because you.

[Joe Hayden]

I feel like you know what you got.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, I'm. I'm with you in this. I think. I think. I think Mike done. I think he might have. I think he might have sniffed some glue or. Or put too much emphasis in the, you know, Mike Florio put too much emphasis in the veteran quarterback status. Like this dude, he got what, eight years. He got eight years. He got 18 stars. He's nine and nine. A 63. 7 career. You know, completion percentage. I mean, that's not hard to replace. That's average. 28 touchdowns, 20 interceptions. That's not hard to replace. Yeah, like, and then like you said, last time he got in the game, first thing he did was turn the rock over, bro. Yeah, like, we're talking a passer rating. What is it, like a 84, 85, something like that? Like, that's all average numbers. Like. And he has been in the league for eight years as a career backup. He has not went any further. You telling me that you're going to keep him opposed to two guys that you don't know what they can do? And you've seen this is his top. He's not going to get any better.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And then from what he did like last year, hell, he ain't really. What was he in Tennessee? I think he will. Nine interceptions, nine touchdown. Like, yeah, we're. We're not getting anything from him. He's not going to be enough, especially once Aaron is gone. Like, you keeping him, you're getting rid of one of the other guys, saying, oh, I don't need to see any kind of development from. You ain't seen nothing from Will. You ain't seen nothing. Like, you ain't seen nothing from Drew. And you're gonna top him off for a dude that been in eight years. And this is what he's giving you. Mike Florio is tripping, tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I'm with you on that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He tripping, tripping, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta get them dudes a chunk. You got to get the younger guys a chance.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

See what you got.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That veteran stuff don't matter.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

If your quarterback is not playing like a veteran.

[Joe Hayden]

They had that time.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

8.

[Joe Hayden]

8 years is a. 8 years is a good amount.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

A long time, bro. And this college numbers was crazy. Like, his college numbers was crazy, crazy. And this is what, like, yo, he can't even just go and just manage this thing, bro. He go, turn it over. Protect the rock, bro. That's it.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm with it. Debo I'm with you I'm because that we we said what we said. I I'm yes I'm with you. I kick it with me. So I'm like when we saying that it's just not his time for the Steelers anymore. When you talking about the quarterback position you're going to be out there. You see we've had film. We've had legitimate film. That's what I was looking forward to seeing on Drew to see what it looks like out there. You got to give him a chance to give him some playtime and then when you get out there and you see what it look believe it or maybe it's not the right time there. So this seven year stint and one organization for sure is is a good enough time to see if you've done

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What do you think? They got it. I know what you gonna say. You in a stability at the quarterback position and Offensive line. That's true. Statement. Everything else. I would. I would say that they got something to it, but, you know, I don't. I don't know. He also went off on the Miles Garrett trade talks. He said. He said they got a killer on defense. I'm tired of y' all talking about trading him and getting rid of him. They don't. That don't make no sense to me. That's a once in a lifetime man. That's a. That's a once in a lifetime man that you don't see no more. You don't. I don't get rid of that. I don't get rid of that unless I get. Unless I get you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Mama, daddy, your uncle, cousin, and everybody in the trade for it. Because that's a grown man. That's a winner. That's a winner. So the Browns are coming. Joe. What are the Browns coming to? What are they coming to, Joe? What prime said they coming. You think they coming?

[Joe Hayden]

I do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Where? Where they coming to?

[Joe Hayden]

I do. I think this is the thing. Browns, like I always said, defense is not. We always been able to have good defenses. Our defense is always ranked within the top 10, always. So the problem is when we saying quarterback stability. All these teams have been good. You gotta have a quarterback. We've had so many quarterbacks through the trajectory of the Browns. When we did end up having Baker Mayfield for that short time, he was solid. We were getting players around him. Andrew Berry and them were bringing in talent. They brought in Jarvis Landry, they were bringing in Odell Beckham Jr. On the offensive side of the ball to help us actually score points, get points on the board. When we get points on the board, the defense is always. It's never if you lose because if you give up one play, the game is over. No, you gotta be able to have an offense that you go to and they're looking like. When I was playing for the Steelers and I left the Browns, Antonio Brown and Ben Roethlisberger, when they came off a drive, they expected to score every single drive. Like when they came off, they were upset that they didn't score. On defense, you wanted to do three and out every time to get the ball back to the.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Ernest.

[Joe Hayden]

When you're on defense and you continue to get three and outs and you continue to get good field position and give them the ball back and. And you get nothing. That's demoralizing because it makes it feel like defense, you got to continue to ball out and your offense is just like not in factor. If you have an offense that they want to look at the same way that you're looking at it. When they come off the field actually disappointed that they didn't put points on the board, and they're trying to figure it out, there's nothing the defense got to go say you want to get them the ball back immediately so they can go score points. So that just situation is a completely different situation. So I'm saying the Browns are never far away because your defense is getting the ball back. They're creating turnovers, they're making things happen. Special teams wasn't that good last year when you got good defense and good special teams. You're playing a field position game. You want your offense to be competent, be able to get out there, get a field goal, don't turn it over, don't go backwards, don't look crazy. You know what I'm saying? So when you have an offense that's really potent, they're trying to go score every time, that's something that. When I went to the Pittsburgh Steelers, I was like, wow, this is crazy. Because if you give up a touchdown, you don't feel like you lost the game. It's like, all right, guys, come on, we about to go score, and now y' all go get the ball back and then we can go run this thing up. You know what I'm saying? Like, nah. Like, they got your back. They patting you on the back when you like, oh, okay, all right. Bet that's my bad. You felt like you lost the game. Cause you don't feel like you should ever get scored on. On defense, on offense. You should feel like they should never stop you. That's just your mindset. So when I was with the Browns, that was never the. I would hope that's their mindset, but I'm looking like y' all aren't scoring. They know they're not scoring. And the defense, we're trying to continue to. We gotta score, put them in position to score, make something happen. We're trying to punch stuff out like we're out there trying to ball. So when I hear in Coach prime, it's a team where if you got an offense now, you got Shador, not just saying he was a quarterback that is running a competent offense that's trying to go get points. He wants to score every single drive knowing it's not possible. That's what you got to wheel it in sometimes. Check downs are good. Let's get a field goal. That's great. You go down and don't turn the ball over, get a good field position. We pin them down. Now defense is out there. You playing from the two, you playing inside the five. We got our ears pinned back. We're trying to get safeties, you know what I'm saying? It's like a team game that happens there. So when I'm hearing Coach prime, it's like they're building something. Yes. If you can get a competent offense with a legit quarterback that's trying to go score every drive now were speaking a different language because the defense not changing. Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, they're always out there hunting. They're always hunting. But if they had a quarterback that was out there on the offensive side hunting the same way they hunting now. You going in there with a team, you feel like I'm walking in here with a fully loaded clip like defense, we good offense, y'. All. Y' all good. Y' all could go score 30, you know what I'm saying? And really believe it. And they think we about to go take them up top. We about to go run this ball down their throat, you know what I'm saying? And genuinely believe it and go do it. So when I'm saying you go get an offensive line, you build that grit, you build that team. Like that's what it is. So they're not far. We're not getting blown out, but it's like, dude, get an offense. Have a special teams defense. Keep balling, keep doing what you're doing. Don't get rid of Miles Garrett because he's the reason why our defense is what our defense is like. You want to go get other pieces, You've been doing it with the draft. You've been hitting with these pieces that we do need. So if we were to get rid of Miles, we need a dog tackle and a dog wide receiver. You know, that's what he's saying. Get the wife, get the kids. You need two dudes going to instantly make our offense just as good as our defense is. So I'm not against what prime is saying, not as you sound like I'm a Browns fan, obviously, because some when the draft, they drafting the wrong people. I'm like this, no, we should have drafted the receivers and we needed a lineman and we drafted. We would have drafted some defensive players. That's not. We need now. Our defense is looking great and we're still not competent on offense. So trying to build a nice offense. I'm like, okay, you're making the right moves. We're getting the right pieces. I like shador Shador, don't go out here and mess it up. Give me an offense that's good, 24 points. Defense ain't gonna give up that many so we can win more games than we lose. I'm listening. What he's saying. He doesn't sound crazy when you look at it like that, but when you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I'm not. Yeah, I'm not.

[Joe Hayden]

They're the Cleveland Browns. That what you mean? Y' all are on in the right direction.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

When they label it as worn and then you actually read it. It's not really a warning, you know, I'm saying it's more of a. He sees the transition it's heading.

[Joe Hayden]

So, yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know the clickbait type of. He warning. Y' all doing Cleveland coming. No, but you.

[Joe Hayden]

But you see. But you see what I'm saying?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I see what you're saying. True statement. But don't forget, y'. All. Y' all special teams were selling, too.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's one of the

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

things we left out. Your special teams can lose you a whole game on five plays.

[Joe Hayden]

You gotta make us a good. Yes, yes, yes. Missed a couple. Missed a couple field goals. And then often turns a couple returns.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All that.

[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Write all that down one more time. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. I got you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Now you go ahead and.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm going. Right. I'm gonna go ahead. Right. What prime was saying,

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

like in the. In the trading the miles, like, hey, that might be the best thing for them. You know, Long term, that might be the best thing for them.

[Joe Hayden]

Not.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Because right now, for me, I just. I don't like having to play against him twice a year. It's a personal thing.

[Joe Hayden]

You're trying to weaken my squad. Always, that is.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Do you think I care about how weak the league is? If I won the championship every year, I would give zero. Zero. I would not care. Zero. I would give zero. Of course, I would want to play against the best and have your best talent. You know what I'm saying?

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah. I'm gonna give you a ride to the stadium. If I see your car broke down, I want you. I want your best. I want you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you want us to be in there for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But I ain't on the field no more, so I'm trying to get it with less of a heart attack and a headache.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. So right now, you want the easiest path.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I want the easiest path.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Okay, okay.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

All right. I can't. Listen, man, I done got back into this thing. Man, I'm up here. You know, I was trying to stay away from it for a long time, like, trying to stay away. But I'm back into it now, and it's. It's giving me the same thing I did when I'm playing. But I ain't even getting the check on Monday to make me feel better when we lose.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Nope.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I just.

[Joe Hayden]

Just getting turned up too, Debo. I already feel it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You told you, man. Bro, we can't. We can't do no live, man. We do a live. We do a live show, man. Like, I did a live with. I did a live with Ben, but I kept it. I kept it. You know, I kept it low during the game. Like. Yeah, I keep it. Yeah, I was in. You know, I kind of. You gotta really. You gotta really bring it in. You gotta keep it inside. Like, if you feel you want to say, then you can't. You know what I'm saying? You know for sure. You know how. You know. You know what I was saying when we was.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you quick. You quick to react. I'm quick quick to react.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And I would say something reckless as hell, too. I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna go back to. Man, the one play he had about seven years ago, that's the same thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Mm.

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