Nightcap Hour 2: KD to Detroit?!?!?! + Hornets DONE with Bad Influences + 2016 Cavs reunion BACKLASH

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: “KD to Detroit?!?!?! + Hornets DONE with Bad Influences + 2016 Cavs reunion BACKLASH”

Date: July 6, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Platform: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson deliver their signature blend of edgy humor and seasoned insight while reacting to the latest buzz in the NFL and NBA. The discussion touches on blockbuster trade rumors—most notably a potential Kevin Durant move to Detroit—the Hornets’ controversial locker room culture shift, and the heated debate around the value of championships versus individual greatness. The duo also weigh in on LeBron James’ next move, famous superteam reunions, and salary cap realities in modern sports.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Player Development & Youth Basketball - Shifts Over Time

Timestamps: 03:29–07:22

• Michael Smith observes the decline of fundamental player development in youth sports and laments that "now, we’re so talented as Americans that we don’t really get taught lessons no more" (03:29).
• Shannon Sharpe reminisces about playing on makeshift courts and the community roots of sports: “We worked on dribbling on a dirt [court], shooting on the old bicycle rim... we weren’t thinking about no damn NBA or NFL. We played ‘cause we love[d]” (04:27).
• The hosts reflect on today's era of private trainers for young athletes and how shifting incentives have changed the culture and motivation in youth sports.

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2. LeBron James, Lakers Transition, and Value in Professional Sports

Timestamps: 07:27–17:00

• The topic shifts to the Lakers’ acquisition of Luka Dončić and what that means for LeBron’s legacy and value at age 42:
  • Sharpe: “Nobody is under the impression that LeBron James, at almost 42 years of age, is the same player. He’s not...The Lakers, you got to have a star. That’s the only way it works in LA. You got to have a star...They’ve always had it. It’s Tinseltown” (08:23).
• Discussion on how personal value vs. market value works in the NBA:
  • “Your value is based on what someone is willing to pay for it...what Ocho has value on...cigars are valuable...to me, I ain’t know” (12:02, Sharpe).
• The crew gets playful comparing iPhone upgrades to sports contracts, highlighting the fluid notion of "value" (16:06).

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3. "Rings Culture" vs. Greatness Debate

Timestamps: 18:30–24:58

• Heated discussion around whether winning championships is necessary to rank among the “greatest”:
  • Ryan Hollins: “They're saying because they won a World Cup...they’re better than Neymar...but from an individual standpoint, we not going to just act like, just because he never won a World Cup [that] diminishes his greatness” (21:03).
  • Sharpe: “Rings are a great team accomplishment...but when we’re talking about a team sport, nah, I’m not willing to just say...because somebody has a ring, they’re better” (22:08).

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe: “So now we’ve turned into a ring culture. If you get a ring, that means you’re big...I said, no, I’m not saying you can’t be great without a ring. I’m saying when I add that ‘-est’ to it, for me...I don’t judge it like that” (19:57, 22:32).
• Michael Smith: “Hey, how many rings Robert Horry got, huh?” (22:47).

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4. LeBron’s Potential Future Teams & Superteam Speculation

Timestamps: 29:45–34:23

• Mario Chalmers’ comments fuel rumors about LeBron possibly signing with the Warriors or returning to Miami or Cleveland:
  • Michael Smith: “[If LeBron] goes to Miami, he’ll be able to have more ball handling duties…as opposed to Cleveland…[where] they both volume scorers…don’t know how that's gonna work” (30:34).
  • Sharpe: “I've been trying to stop guessing what LeBron's gonna do because he don't care what the public thinks…” (31:44).
  • Hollins: “In your 20s...I don't mind [the West], now? No, get me up out of there...I want the easiest route for me to contend for another ring, and it ain’t anywhere in the West” (34:23).

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5. 2016 Cavs Reunion vs. 2004 Pistons—Culture & Generational Differences

Timestamps: 35:05–41:12

• Ben Wallace is quoted stating the 2004 Pistons won’t do a reunion trip like the 2016 Cavs:
  • Michael Smith: “That’s a testament to Bron, though. Bron's a fun-loving dude…It’s different. Not to say that Pistons team didn’t hang out…I just think it's different” (35:21).
  • Sharpe: “We grew up in a little different era…when you win a championship, you’re just naturally close. You have a bond…that’s unbreakable” (36:48).
• The hosts joke about how superstars (especially LeBron) split costs and live it up—“Ain’t nobody paying no 5, 10,000 for no bottle, man” (39:09).

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6. Salary Cap Realities, Star Contracts & Team Building

Timestamps: 55:35–62:17

• Debate on the difficulty of building/maintaining superteams as player salaries rise:
  • Shannon Sharpe: “It’s gonna be hard to keep two superstars…I'm not paying two guys on the same team $300 million…and I damn sure ain’t finna pay em $400 million. That’s where this thing is headed” (58:08).
  • On Jalen Brunson’s below-market deal: “He’s forever knighted…But I don’t believe you'll see three other guys do what he did” (59:44).
  • Sharpe notes that only rare athletes (like Brady) earn more post-career than during: “There’s not very many guys…that can leave a sport and make more money once they leave…” (61:25).

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7. Kevin Durant Trade Rumors—KD to Detroit?

Timestamps: 63:23–68:54

• KD reportedly interested in playing with Cade Cunningham for the Pistons (per Brett Siegel).
  • Shannon Sharpe: “If Houston ever makes them available, you got to make them an offer they can’t refuse…Other than Thompson, and Cade, I can see that happening” (63:23).
  • Michael Smith: “I think that would be a piece that could ultimately put the Pistons over the top. ‘Cause what they were lacking…was scoring, bro” (63:59).
• The group weighs out possible packages, fits, and salary cap complications, noting Durant's $54.7M salary (65:14).
• Hollins: “If KD came out east…[the] East would be a lot tougher than the damn west” (65:30).

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8. Hornets Trade LaMelo Ball & Miles Bridges—"Culture Change" or Cop-Out?

Timestamps: 52:23–58:08

• Adam Finkelstein claims Charlotte traded Ball and Bridges to “get rid of bad influences” (52:23).
• Shannon and Michael express skepticism about that narrative surfacing only after the trade:
  • “I just hate when people get traded and all of a sudden they were bad influences. I never heard this while those two guys were playing…” (53:01, Sharpe).
• Michael Smith discusses franchise culture and locker room leadership: “When you trying to be a rapper and play a professional sport...every franchise ain't going for that, bro...” (53:37).
  • “They want a different culture around them, bro” (54:34).
• The trio debates balancing "high character" and "dog" mentality on successful rosters.

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9. Other Notable Banter & Moments

Timestamps: Throughout

• The Cheapness Wars: Extended jokes about who on the panel—and in pro sports—is most frugal (“LeBron don’t play. Don’t play no data plan...he don’t pay for no media…he probably is cheaper than you” — Sharpe, 42:51).
• Tyler Herro vs. Bam Adebayo: Tyler Herro throws shade after being traded (“You should get paid $60 million to be a top-tier defender on some nights”—Herro, 69:14-69:47).
• Bike Chat: Segment about motorcycle preferences between the hosts—Triumphs vs. Harleys and why Shannon will “stick with four wheels and a top on it” (45:22–48:14).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “You don’t set your value. What someone is willing to pay is your value.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (12:02)

• “Rings are a great team accomplishment. But when we’re talking about a team sport, nah, I’m not willing to just say...if somebody has a ring, they’re better.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (22:08)

• “I’m not paying two guys on the same team $300 million, and I damn sure ain’t finna pay em $400 million. That’s where this thing is headed.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (58:08)

• “That would be a piece that could ultimately put the Pistons over the top. ’Cause what they were lacking…was scoring, bro.”
  — Michael Smith on potential KD/Cade pairing (63:59)

• “I just hate when people get traded and all of a sudden they were bad influences. I never heard this while those two guys were playing.”
  — Shannon Sharpe (53:01)

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Section Timestamps (Quick Reference)

• Youth basketball/player development: 03:29–07:22
• LeBron value & Lakers transition: 07:27–17:00
• "Rings culture" debate: 18:30–24:58
• LeBron's next move/superteam speculation: 29:45–34:23
• Cavs/Pistons reunion culture: 35:05–41:12
• Salary cap & player contracts: 55:35–62:17
• KD to Detroit trade rumors: 63:23–68:54
• Hornets culture change: 52:23–58:08
• Bike/Money jokes: 45:22–48:14
• Herro vs. Bam drama: 69:14–70:29

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Conclusion

This Nightcap episode is rich with barbershop-level sports wisdom, generational hot takes, and cutting banter. Sharpe and Ochocinco challenge fans and each other to think beyond headlines—exploring what really drives greatness and value in pro sports: culture, chemistry, team-building, and of course, cold hard cash. Frequent laughs are backed by real experience, giving listeners a fresh perspective on rumors, trades, and the ever-evolving world of the NBA.

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[Michael Smith]

So that's a problem in itself right there, Ocho. Yes, you know, but. But I do think you can develop these kids, man. I think it. Obviously it takes a lot of time and work, but, you know, yes, you. You can put in that fundamental development to where these guys come out and really knowing how to play the game. See, right now, we're so talented as Americans that we don't really get taught lessons no more. Think about it. In high school now, they go recruit you. We're gonna pay you 100k. I want you to come play in two tournaments.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't give a damn.

[Michael Smith]

We know you got talent, but we ain't gonna be. You know what I mean? We just want you to come playing two tournaments. Yes, Ocho, you might be in another city. We're gonna pay you 100k to. Come on, man. It's chemistry, continuity. We just based off rolling the ball at the house, pure talent, you know, going to play. Ain't nobody really breaking the game down to these kids. I mean, it's a few people here and there, but they need that development, man, because we behind when it comes to foreign. That's why they didn't caught up with us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know what happened, Joe, is that when we were growing up, whatever school district you went in, that's the high school you went in, you couldn't go play for somebody else. They had a better team in football or a better team in basketball, better track, better baseball. You played. If your district was sorry, well, you just. Your school just sorry. It was. It was really that simple. And back then, nobody played. We played sports. Not even thinking about no damn NBA or NFL. We played cause we love. Hey, man, Ocho, man, you will play football? Yeah, I would go play too. Ask my grandma can I play, Joe, you play. You going off a basketball? Yeah, I'm going. Ask my mom can I play now you got kids out there, they got trainers, Joe. Nine, ten years Old.

[Michael Smith]

Hello. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We worked on dribbling on a dirt shooting on the old bicycle rim. We done knocked all the spokes out, the whole piece of plywood out the barn, cut a tree down, oak tree, a medium sized oak tree, and tacked it up. And that was our goal. Man, we weren't thinking about. Man, I remember when mama bought me and Spanky a rim from Western Auto. I know. I don't know if they still got Western autos, but they used to have Western autos and you could buy basketball rims. Man, we bought a basketball rim and we got a chain net.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? Boy, you could hit me in the ass with a red apple, Joe, you couldn't tell me nothing. A chain net.

[Michael Smith]

Different. Hey, that sound different. Hey, look, see where my pop's family is? And sweet homes, that ain't far from where my neighborhood is. But we had crates. We had crates on the light pole. Uncle Oo, milk crates, homie. You know, I mean, look, dirt. A little dirt court. Crazy. Yeah, yeah, we used to be getting down. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, that. That's. That's. That's what we learned to play. And then, you know, they had. They had the rec center. But see, at the rec. Joe, you had. Once it got dark, you had to put money in for the lights to come on. So you had to put. You had like, for like 30 minutes. It cost you like 50, 75 cent. And once them lights get up, they start. It'll start. It start making a noise. Man, who got a quarter? Who got a quarter? Ain't nobody got no quarter. Them thing go dark. Game over.

[Michael Smith]

Damn. Hey, hey, I remember that boy when them street lights came on. Oh, my mama, he was outside looking for me. Hell, I had to. I had to be in that house by the time the damn street lights came on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, but.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

And the thing, Joe, I remember I used to ride my bicycle to the park. So I would ride my bicycle to the park even after I got off work. So I would ride my bicycle to the park and then my sister come by, see if I was still playing. I put my bicycle in the trunk of the car and she dropped. Take me home. That's how bad I wanted to play. Man, these kids don't drive. I don't even know kids even got a bike now.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, man, it's bad now. Okay, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rick Bucher says Laker plan on getting rid of LeBron ever since they acquired Luca. And he finds it funny. His exit was framed as LeBron telling the Lakers he was leaving. Wow. Rick, you. You're breaking breaking news. I mean, that a way to go. That a way to go out of limb. So let me ask you a question. If they get, if they didn't get. Luca, we understand that LeBron does not have the same cachet as at 41, almost 42. He had it 25.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. Mr. Buker and Rick was on Undisputed. If they the same age, are they getting with a LeBron?

[Ryan Hollins]

Nope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you make it seem. It's, it's, it's. It's like any work employment more times than not what happens. Joe Ocho, the younger guy, takes the older guy spot.

[Ryan Hollins]

So it's been that way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's just the way it is.

[Ryan Hollins]

Always been that way. Sports, corporate, world business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nobody is under the impression that LeBron James, at almost 42 years of age, is the same player. He's not. I, I've never said that. And I've been one of his staunchest supporters. I know he's not. And Lucas, it should be Lucas team. Everybody knew that. We knew that was what they, what they wanted. They was hoping AD Was going to be able to be that bridge because for. Because when Kobe retired, as Kobe started getting hurt and he ends up retiring, they didn't have a bridge. Because, see, they was going to have. They had a bridge from Kareem to Magic because you think about what the. How it worked out. They had west and they had Chamberlain, would have Elgin Baylor, and then they had Jerry west, and then they get Chamberlain and then you get Kareem, and then you get Magic, you get Worthy, and. And all of a sudden, a couple of years later, here comes Shaq and Kobe. Shaq leaving. You still got Kobe and you got Pow. And then they didn't have anything to fill that gap in. And then you got LeBron and they say, you know what? We got LeBron for several years, but now we got AD and AD will be the bridge. AD couldn't stay healthy, so now it's like we really need somebody. The Lakers. You got to have. You got to have a star. That's the only way it works in la. You got to have a star. They've always had it. It's Tinseltown. So now they have their star for the next. If he can stay healthy for the next, what, seven, ten years.

[Michael Smith]

He got some pressure on his ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't blame him. Who fought in the Lakers for the decision that they made? I want to know who in their right mind faulting the Lakers? Nobody. Nobody but him going out of this notion ever since they acquired.

[Michael Smith]

Wow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what, Ocho?

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I plan. Shannon had planned on retiring ever since he won the lottery. No. Ish. Of course. You went five, you win 500 million.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ever since he won the lottery, he playing over. Yep, you're absolutely right. I did, I did. So I don't, I don't. I. I mean, look, he's, he, he's never been a LeBron fan, and that's fine. But I think, you know, to go out here and try to frame it like this, he just tell them, you know, I'm not coming back. They knew that they had offered him something. I don't know. Then it says now that LeBron would take, you know, minimum, whatever the case may be. LeBron know there was not 50, Joe. He knew there was not 30, 40, $50 million out there for him. Best case scenario, you're talking about maybe 15. Maybe somebody could give you 20. Maybe. But if you get 20, you're not gonna be able to go anywhere and win. But the most, the big most was 15. That's Max. He knew that.

[Michael Smith]

You think he knew that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Now, he probably could go somewhere, a Sacramento and get big bucks, but that's just a ticket draw. You're not finna win.

[Michael Smith]

The only reason why I say that, because when I think about LeBron, Uncle Ocho, I really don't think he thinks it's a player out there that's better than him or more cerebral, more important to him if you add him to it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's not. But you don't get to determine your value. Somebody else does.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So when people keep saying, oh my, I know my value. Your values are based on what someone is willing to pay for it.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah.

[Michael Smith]

And.

[Ryan Hollins]

And most of the time, the value that people set on themselves is always unrealistic because no one's willing to pay for it. You wouldn't have to set that value because it'll be paid for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give you prime example Pokeman cards. Me, you, Joe, Ocho, we ain't paying no damn $5 million for no Pokemon card. But somebody would.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

These Jordan, not these 10 car Jordan cards. Somebody paying 10, $12 million for. I ain't paying that for no card. But it's valuable to somebody. Somebody. You don't set your value. Someone else. What someone is willing to pay is. Is your value. So how LeBron thinks about himself, I still believe he believes he's a top five, top 10 player. I still believe he believes he's one of the two or three smartest players in the NBA currently. But guess what? He can't pay himself. And he's 42 years of age. And somebody else is going to sit that value. We look at a car. Man, I wouldn't. And I wish I might pay a million dollar for that. But go down to Mecham, go to Barrett Jackson and you'll see cars going across the lot. 15 million, 12 million. Go get that 250 GT and see what it's going for. 30, 40, $50 million. So value. What's valuable to you might not be valuable to me. What Ocho has value on. Ocho said cigars are valuable. Valuable to me, Joe. I ain't know, you know, Say hey Ocho. But, but I mean, I wouldn't like. Like I said, I mean I'm looking at some of this stuff like a Pokeman car.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, yo.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean people playing, people got what a show hail Tiny card. I think it went $5 million in jerseys going, man, come on, man. To hang somebody jersey up on the wall, man, I'm not gonna pay no 4, $5 million for that. Hell no. But somebody will. I don't begrudge it because everybody. You know what I say? I always. Man, even if I had the money. Stop saying that. You see, Ocho, we were all those same people. What we, Joe? Man, ain't no way I pay a hundred thousand dollars for no car, man. I wish I might pay too many.

[Commercial Narrator]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. Somebody paid 500 for some sneakers. Bad day out their damn mind. So it's easy to say what you won't do because you're not in that situation to do,

[Tab Ramos]

right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said the same thing. Said the same thing. Man, ain't no way I'm paying this this year for that. This year for that. Let me give me a little piece of. Let them old people say, let me give me a little piece of money. I'll show you what I do. I show you exactly what I do. But Joe, you think LeBron think he about to get $30 million?

[Ryan Hollins]

He understands that. No, Anki understands that.

[Michael Smith]

I'm not saying that, but I think he think he, he is very valuable, which he is to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, but o. Joe, Joe. Again, value is based on what? Who determines that? He don't get determined that.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah, what someone's willing. Okay.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, that's why it's gonna fuel him to come out and, and, and. And throw us something that we ain't never seen again before.

[Ryan Hollins]

We didn't see it.

[Michael Smith]

42 year old man out there and running down. You ain't seen that?

[Ryan Hollins]

We just saw it last year. What you talking about? We've seen it the year before that. Matter of fact, we've seen it. We've seen it the year before that and the year and the year. Hell, we didn't see it. Since he came in the league, he's exceeded all our expectations, including his own. What more can he do? He shouldn't have to prove himself at this point.

[Michael Smith]

At it might be 42 running up and down that court like that, bro, like I think, hey, let me tell

[Ryan Hollins]

you where he gonna be at. He gonna be at the Casaya Center. Come on down here and check him out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, all the people that talk about they wouldn't do this. Joe, how much they pay for iPhone

[Michael Smith]

and then iPhone 12.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they wasn't. But hey, think about it now. If somebody, if somebody would have told you 20 years ago, 25 years ago that you be paying a thousand dollars, 1500, $2,000 for a cell phone, what would you have said?

[Michael Smith]

No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now everybody there ain't making a million that got those thousand, fifteen hundred dollars, two thousand dollar cell phones. So imagine if you making fifty million, a hundred million, a quarter of a billion. And you tell me, oh, I'm still gonna drive my Buick. I'm still gonna drive this. I'm still gonna live. Stop it. Yeah, just stop it, people.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See y' all get up there. Y' all say what they come on. Because after you living outside your means anyway and you don't got.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, hey, I ain't gonna lie to y' all though. What we on iPhone 16.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think it is. I think I'm still, I'm still. I think I'm still on 14.

[Michael Smith]

I'm on 13. You said.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hold on, time out, time out, time out, time out, time. I got a question. How you on the 13? How you on the 14? And Apple purposely slows down the program and forced you to update.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all, all the ducks, don't worry about it. They can keep slowing it down. I slow down too. I take my time and dial to know.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, hey, I ain't lying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, you not going to rush me to keep buying the phone. Hey, cuz, I buy the phone because, oh, I don't trade my phone back in. I keep the phone. Yeah, hey, as a matter of fact, my sister got. My sister got the, the damn 809. I gave up. I gave her my eight or nine.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, Joe. But you're right, they start slowing your phone down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's okay. I ain't. If it gonna take all day to load.

[Michael Smith]

Damn it. I'm gonna be right here waiting. Hey, I swear, man, it was 13, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got 13.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Michael Smith]

I ain't lying. Look, but everybody in the house got. Damn. 16 to 17. Yeah, I'm running right here with a 13. Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey. Bad. Sometimes. Hey, man, I text you.

[Ryan Hollins]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. But the text come through about two days later. Oh, damn.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, hey, listen. And plus, you know, you already had your apps downloaded now, man, come on. I would have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would literally have to have Shelly and, And Jordan here to do everything because I. I don't know the password. I don't know nothing.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, I got. I got a question.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Ryan Hollins]

And it's easier for you and Joe to break this down for me, right? Seth Senior. Earlier. Earlier, I said, as far as my Brazilian legends and my favorite players, I obviously put part of the World cup team. I put Neymar. I put Neymar third, and somebody got upset. And I answered back on Twitter, even though we in the middle of the show, and they started mentioning players that have won a World cup with, With Brazil.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Brazil. Yeah.

[Ryan Hollins]

But I'm. I'm thinking from. From ind. Individual talent in general. The player that they name outside of maybe R9 and Pele and, and Ronaldinho. They're not better than. They're not better than Neymar. But they're saying because they won a World Cup.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they're better.

[Ryan Hollins]

Can you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We've been said that.

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We've been saying that. Just because you won a championship, that doesn't make you better than some of the greats.

[Ryan Hollins]

Okay. That. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I, I just, I mean, you, you can make more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So in other words, Kenneth Walker is better than Barry Sanders. He won a Super Bowl. Any super bowl mvp. Would you take Kenneth Walker over Barry Sanders?

[Ryan Hollins]

Thank you. Okay. I just. I just. I, I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You wouldn't.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You wouldn't.

[Ryan Hollins]

They're just saying, certain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Calvin Johnson never won a. A championship.

[Michael Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Larry Fitzgerald never won a championship. So are you saying some of these guys. That's one Championships. Are better than Fitz, better than Megatron?

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Better than Julio, Better than tl. Messed up.

[Kohler Ambassador]

Yeah.

[Ryan Hollins]

I mean, the person is saying, very

[Shannon Sharpe]

well, we've turned into a ring culture. If you get a ring, that means you're big. Now, granted, if we're debating players that have rings.

[Michael Smith]

Okay.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah, that's different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't believe it's hard for me to put somebody at the. Like, you got to Be exponentially great. You got to be Barry Bonds great before I even put you in a discussion as the greatest. You can be great without a ring. But est? Greatest, yes. There is difference. And people got confused when I said that. I said, no, I'm not saying that you can't be great without a ring. I'm saying when I add that est to it, for me, some people say, nah, good. But I'm saying, so. Nah, nah, I agree with you on that, Ocho. Just because someone has a ring and we do. Come on now. Really? That's what we doing. We got, we got, we got. We gotta stop.

[Ryan Hollins]

I don't know. I just. I. I hate when they do that because obviously, you know, winning the World cup, winning the blonde belong to your. Obviously, that's the individual's accomplishment. But I think people are mistaken because it's Neymar. They're forgetting how special he was during this time. Okay? He wasn't able to win the World Cup. And those players that came before him that were. I mean, Ronaldo. R9 better.

[Michael Smith]

Ronald.

[Ryan Hollins]

I mean, Ronald Dino. I mean, Pele. Better. But from an individual standpoint, we not going to see act just because he never won a World cup and diminish his greatness because he didn't, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, that's where we are now. O. That's where we are now, Joe. That's where we are now. OO. It's all about rings. It's all about rings. Somebody got five, six. And it never used to be like that. Nobody ever said Havlicek was the greatest. Havlicek is 8. No. In NBA Finals, Sam Jones is 10, got 10. Look at all those Celtics got 11. 10, 9, 8. Hindson, 8. No, Hamilton, check 8. No. Nobody ever did that. Rings are a great team accomplishment. They are. And I don't want to. I don't want to diminish a team accomplishment because you play a team sport, that is the ultimate goal. That is the ultimate goal. That's why you play. If you want to be an individual, you need to play golf, you need to play tennis. You need to play something that is just you.

[Ryan Hollins]

You.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

but when we're talking about a team sport. Nah, I'm not willing to just say something because somebody has a ring. They're better. Because there are a lot of guys that have rings, and all of a sudden we're gonna say, oh, they better than Charles Barkley. They better than Carl Malone, man. Stop.

[Michael Smith]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's just me now. So, hey. Some people might say, hey,

[Michael Smith]

I'm with you, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, ring is the end. All be all. Okay? To each his own. But I. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't judge it like that. Because now you're saying, Trent Deal for Brad Johnson, one Super Bowl. They're better than Dan Marino. That's what you're saying. He got a ring. Who's saying that?

[Michael Smith]

Hey, how many rings Robert already got, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not. Hey, yeah, but that. I. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, to each. To each their own. How. Whatever your criteria is, I'm old enough to remember and see a lot of these. Some of these guys play now. I don't go back too far, but probably from, like, from 77, I can remember, like, baseball, football and basketball. I got a clear. I remember O.J. we didn't really follow. I didn't really follow the super bowl like that, but I remember my grandfather taking us over to a Grandma Lou house because they can get channel 22. Channel 22 was ABC. Why you laughing? They could. They could get channel 22, which was ABC, and that was the game that Monday Night Football came on. So we could go over there, we could watch OJ When OJ Would come on on Monday Night Football, we could see him. So about 77, I can remember. But as far as baseball players, until Shohei Otani came along, Barry Bonds was the greatest player I had ever seen. I ain't never seen a. I've never seen anybody. I mean, he'd get one pitch, maybe two, maybe two.

[Ryan Hollins]

He gonna make it do what it do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gonna hit it hard off the fence, or he put it in McCovey Cove. I. I've never. I've never. And we won't ever see anything like that again. We'll never see anything like Barry. And I think Shohei, because Shohei can pitch. So he can go out there and give you nine innings and strike out 11, 12, and then he can go hit two, three home runs. But as far as hitting the baseball, yeah. I ain't never seen anything like Barry Bonds. I ain't never seen anything like Barry Bonds. And I. I'm talking about. I've seen a lot. I've seen a lot of great hitters. Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs. I caught the tail end of Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett. I've seen a lot. A lot of great hitters. I ain't gonna see anything like Barry Bonds.

[Michael Smith]

Coordination. A little different, ain't it? Hey,

[Shannon Sharpe]

power. He could hit for average. He could run the base pads. He got eight Gold Gloves. He could.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, you think you can go in the in the batting cage and hit something coming 95 at me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Michael Smith]

You asking, can I do it, Ocho? Yeah, I can hear something at 95. Now that's what I don't like. How you gonna ask somebody a question

[Shannon Sharpe]

then when they answer the question, you

[Michael Smith]

got to give me all these emotions, man. You asked me a question. I gave you an answer.

[Ryan Hollins]

All right, all right. Joe, you right.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Mario Chalmers says he has a gut feeling that LeBron James is going to sign with the Warriors. I really think it's between Golden State and Miami but just knowing Braun and being his teammate before and the way he approaches the game, those are the two spots where I think he has the best chance of winning. I want to say Miami, but I have a gut feeling that it might be Golden State.

[Kohler Ambassador]

I don't.

[Ryan Hollins]

Man. What is what Mario called my phone man. Call my phone man. You talk about. He used to be a teammate way back when. His mindset was different. The circumstances are completely different. When he used to be your teammate, huh? We talk about a 42 year old LeBron, you know, going. I mean, why would you go. Go ahead, I'll let you. I'll let you finish. Because they, they about to piss me off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This, this, this Ocho, this Joe, this Joe topic. Joe, what you thinking?

[Michael Smith]

The warriors thing is very intriguing. I wouldn't mind seeing him and Stephen Draymond, I ain't gonna lie. That would be nice. But in that Western Conference, I don't think Brian probably like. Nah, I ain't really. I'm Go out here East. I see. I say Miami and then Cleveland. I got them two in there, bro. I, I just think considering Cleveland is home, I mean, damn, for him to be able to go back there and insert himself into that with those starters that they already have, bro, they gonna be a top three team in the Eastern Conference. Same. Same thing. If you go to Miami again, Ocho, I just think going to Miami, he'll be able to have more ball handling duties to where he's able to kind of facilitate more as opposed to Cleveland. You got Donovan and James Harden. And James Harden, they both volume scores, volume shooters. I just don't know how that's gonna work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Michael Smith]

Real talk. What should I be?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I've, I've. I've been trying to stop guessing with what LeBron's gonna do because he gonna do what he want to do. He don't care about. He don't care about what the public thinks. He doesn't care about what critics thinks. He doesn't care about what anybody think. But what he thinks. Obviously you bounce it by Savannah. Savannah good. I just. What? She got a new thing going on with Jay Z. Venture capitalist group backing it, so she got her own thing going on. You're good there. Considering Bryce is at Arizona, Brian is in la, it seems like staying on this side of the country. You know what I'm saying, Joe? Yeah, makes. Makes. Makes sense. But, but you.

[Michael Smith]

I mean, but when you hear the report saying that Cleveland can go trade for Bronnie, I mean, if Cleveland do that. I think we automatically already know where he going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, sometime to catch a lion, you got to use your best goat. Hello.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, I don't know, man. I just think wherever he goes, Uncle Ocho, he gonna change the landscape of hoops. Because if he throw a monkey wrench in that honking, he go to Philly. I mean, it's versatile.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, that's too far. I can't get the feeling.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, look, you gotta take your emotions out of this one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't get the feel. I can go to Golden State. It ain't no but no quick fight right up the street. Right up the street. That's two hours.

[Michael Smith]

What you think about then?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, what you thought I was thinking about.

[Michael Smith]

You might want to get ready to pack your bags and come east, baby. Yeah. That boy called me. He coming Eastern Conference, man. I'm telling y', all, he going East. Watch, he going east. I just don't, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I. Man, can you. Can you imagine a look? Steph gonna get stuff. My average, about 33 of them go clean. Looks, he gets.

[Michael Smith]

He gets some great looks. I'm worried about Ocho talking if he go to Miami, though. That's why I really don't want him to go to.

[Ryan Hollins]

I don't know what you worried about, Joe. I didn't been right.

[Michael Smith]

Chad, I'm G. Keep 100.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I didn't talk.

[Ryan Hollins]

Listen, you notice I'm sitting here relaxing. I'm sitting back in my chair. I'm letting y', all, you know, go back and forth on, you know, your hypotheticals on where you might be. And I'm just sitting here listening because I already. I already know where you're going. See, y' all thinking with your emotions and not using logic, huh? Because the man still has to play 82 games, huh? You think he want to play 82 games in the goddamn west dealing with them boys? I didn't explain it to y' all over and over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That's what the competitor want to do, huh? Yeah. Would you have wanted to play in any other division other than the AFC north, dealing with Pittsburgh and Baltimore? Would you want to play anywhere else?

[Ryan Hollins]

Ocho, when I'm in my 20s and 20s, I don't mind right now if I was still playing. No, get me up out of there. I don't want no part. I want the. Hey, hey, Joe. I want the easiest route for me to contend for another ring, and it ain't anywhere in the West.

[Michael Smith]

You see, the man say he ain't have but two winning Seasons in Cincinnati. Hell, hell, yeah. He got that damn company. Hey, come on over there. Get you some wins somewhere, man. Come on, man.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, don't worry about it. I did what I needed to do, no matter what wins or losses.

[Michael Smith]

But yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ben. Ben. Wallace says the 2004 Pistons will not take an anniversary vacation like the 2016 Cavaliers. We all a little bit different. We grew up in a little different era. Joe, I' ma start to you first, and I'm gonna swing it to you. Ojo. What'd you think?

[Michael Smith]

While it's old school, bro, but you know, that's a testament to Brian, though. Brian a fun loving dude, man. He enjoyed being around them cats and they enjoy being around him. I just think it's. It's different. Not to say that Piston scene didn't hang out, because I'm sure they did,

[Ryan Hollins]

but what year was that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, four they wanted. What was that? 03.

[Michael Smith]

They won. That was old.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they wanted 04. Yeah, they wanted. Oh, they wanted what, 2001? Two and then three and then. Yeah, yeah, because I think the Pistons wanted. The Pistons one in four, right?

[Michael Smith]

I think so. 2004.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or the Pistons wanted three. Lakers won in 2001.

[Michael Smith]

Two, three. 2003. Yeah, they ate. I'm trying to whip, boy.

[Ryan Hollins]

I'm trying to think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you got. But it's different now. Look, the way we think. These guys, first of all, y' all guys old, y' all decrepit. Y' all gonna need wheelchairs to get around anyway. Ain't nobody pushing nobody. These guys still in their 30s. Brian is the oldest one at 41. Most of these guys in their. In their. In their mid-30s, maybe. Rich, how Richard. I think Richard Jefferson came in the league before LeBron.

[Michael Smith]

Richard gotta be. He got about 46.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Rich. Yeah, Richard. Richard. Cause Richard played like two, three years in college. But look, it's a different time now. And I look. And for me, and I think he said, look, we. We ain't like that. We don't really be traveling like that. That's. That's what I took it. I. I think they. Because when you win a championship, you're just naturally close. It just is. You have a bond. You have something that tied you together that nobody. That's unbreakable.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, but you know what? I think that would be dope, though. That would be dope for them to do that. So I'm looking at that roster from back in the days, right? I think it'd be dope. So I'm thinking of the people that I know. Tayshawn Prince, Ben Wallace, Rashid. Wallace is fun. That's my dog. That's my homeboy. Rasheed. Chauncey, Billups. I could see them. Rip Hamilton. I can see them hanging out, you know. Hey, say y', all, boy, take y' all a little trip, man. Get back together, man, you know? You know, rehash the fun, you know, sit back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some of they got grandkids.

[Ryan Hollins]

What that means?

[Michael Smith]

You're saying they need to stream it?

[Tab Ramos]

Ojo, no, not streaming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just.

[Ryan Hollins]

Just. I mean, you know, just. Come on, man. Little unity, baby. Like, hey, hey, when you're in high school, when you graduate, Joe, what they got every 10 years?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Junior.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, what are we talking about? I know, Ben, I know.

[Michael Smith]

Reunion.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah. Hey, them boy. Them boy. Hey, they from a different era. They think different. And obviously, I mean, it's cool, but I think that would be dope, though, man. Hey, Ben. Hey, Ben, man. Hey, you might need to set that thing up, man. Y' all boy get together, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't going nowhere and going out of the country. Hey, you might get them. You might get them to go to Miami or something. You might get them to go somewhere in the US they're not going out no country.

[Tab Ramos]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, they got bread, Ocho. You know, they probably took private planes over. They're taking helicopter rides and they buy. They ordering five, ten thousand dollar bottles of wine.

[Michael Smith]

Living in a castle.

[Ryan Hollins]

Come on. Yeah, come on. You just said that, too. To order who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, five, ten thousand balls. They dragging patrol. They drag it protruses. They drinking Rothchild. They drinking Bordeaux.

[Ryan Hollins]

Wait, who the hell pay for goddamn wine? That goddamn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Those guys that's over there, you know, Tristan said, hey, hey, I got this bottle. You got the next bottle. They got rounds of golf.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah, nobody, man. Nobody paying no 5, 10,000 for no Apple, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please. Hey, they.

[Ryan Hollins]

They.

[Michael Smith]

They over there with the king. They over there, he got. What do you mean?

[Ryan Hollins]

Oh, oh, oh? They drink like that.

[Michael Smith]

They living in castles and stuff over there. Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Hollins]

Ain't nobody got time for that, man. You know what I could do with 5, 10,000?

[Michael Smith]

Oh, now you Debbie down. You don't. You wouldn't want to go over there and have a good time like that.

[Ryan Hollins]

Me having a good time cost me about 100, 150. It don't cost me 5, 10,000 overseas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't gonna cost you no hundred fifty.

[Ryan Hollins]

Come again?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't gonna cost you 150 when he go to Tussie.

[Ryan Hollins]

Nah, I'm talking about smoking a cigar. Cigar didn't cost that goddamn much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but I'm saying. I'm saying, look, they said, I don't drink.

[Ryan Hollins]

I don't drink.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm saying, oh, if you like nice food. Me, yes. You be a. You be getting that. You be getting that. That wagon steak. You begin. That's that Scottish salad.

[Ryan Hollins]

I only. Only did. I only did that because it was your birthday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me. For the way I look at it. I don't look when you've accomplished something. They came down from 3:1 in the finals. No team has ever done that in NBA history. That's special. That's special. It's a little easier for a basketball team as opposed to try to get a damn football team together. You know what I'm saying? Now, maybe you get the offense, but to try to. Come on now, what's the likelihood, even if it's in the states, of you getting all 53 members of your football team to show up someplace? Hell, you couldn't get that. And it was right there in Cincinnati, let alone a whole new state. Hey, it's just. It's just. It's just. It's just a different time now. Those guys think differently. I mean, we've been trying to play at something, the Bronco team. But it's just our group. We got. We had a group of guys. We had about seven, eight guys that we kind of like. We came to Vegas. We came together. Vegas together. We did stuff together, and they like. And I. I just don't trust him.

[Michael Smith]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I told him. I said, when y' all get here, call me. Cause y' all know me. If I go somewhere and y' all don't show y' all black ass up, that's the end.

[Ryan Hollins]

You mean like Joe did us?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You know what,

[Kohler Ambassador]

man?

[Michael Smith]

Don't let that man come between her ladies. You see what I said? I'm talking about how you go. Hey, hey. Damn. Ojo. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Jordan. You say, hey, hey. He like, boss. You could. I could have. I could have went with y'. All. You know it a bit. You know, I'd have been just like I said.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, y' all gotta chill. Jordan, don't act like that, Jordan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, but it. But. But if. Look, it's easier. The smaller the group, the easy it is to move around.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, well, hold on. You know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least that's what I thought, Ocho. I thought three would be no problem.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, man, who you telling? Who you telling?

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[Michael Smith]

Hey, hey.

[Ryan Hollins]

Matter of fact, you know, it's a little easier, too, when you. When you got money loan like LeBron, boy, you. You know, you could say you could take your boys out, man, and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you think LeBron funded that trip, everybody. Hey, everybody swung their own way. Everybody paid for their way to get over there. Everybody played for their room. Yeah, he might have bought a couple of bottles. Yeah, I bet you everybody else bought a couple of bottles also.

[Ryan Hollins]

I got you, I got you. I got you. You think LeBron cheaper than me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. For him to have the kind of money that he has, he absolutely is cheaper than you.

[Ryan Hollins]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ryan Hollins]

No, I ain't buying that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, sure. The man don't got no apps on his phone. The man don't play. Don't play? No. When he go out of the country, he don't play no data playing.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, ain't no athlete on this earth that's ever played a sport cheaper than

[Shannon Sharpe]

I am based on the money that he has. You talking about somebody worth about 1.2 to 1.4 billion?

[Ryan Hollins]

I'm worth a billion, too. What you saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that man. That man don't have no. Don't. Hey, don't do nothing on his phone. He don't pay for no media. Would he go out when he go out of the country, Joe, you know how you get that. Get that overseas plan. He like. Nah, I'll wait.

[Ryan Hollins]

He ain't beat me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like. Come on, man. Hey, I ain't going to be. Hey, Barney Part used to say all the time, he said, boy, be as cheap as you want to, but don't be cheap to yourself.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Cause guess what, Ocho, I. I hope you don't think your kids gonna be as cheap as you.

[Ryan Hollins]

Oh, no, they not okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just so you know.

[Ryan Hollins]

Oh, they not. They not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They not okay. I'm just. Hey, I'm gonna enjoyment. Yeah. I'm gonna lead them some.

[Ryan Hollins]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As hard as I'm working. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got. I got to blow some of this money, Joe, you see?

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, let me tell you something. Hey, I'm do something nice for myself because you know, that. That thing coming. I. I talked to the man upstairs. You know, he sent me a little bird that gave me a little message.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gave you a message? What he said? What'd he say?

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, you know. You know, that play. That. That play is. Is getting ready to come back around again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ryan Hollins]

You picking up. You picking up what I'm putting down?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Hollins]

It was about to come back around again.

[Kohler Ambassador]

Yeah.

[Ryan Hollins]

Huh? God, don't play about his Children. But when it come back around again, I treat myself then.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Ryan Hollins]

Oh, it's coming.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got my eyes. I got my eye on something myself. Hey, hey.

[Ryan Hollins]

They say patience is a virtue, huh? I'm sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But now I look, for me, at this juncture, I don't need a whole lot. I mean, I kind of got whatever. I got what I want, but, you know, I'm like, man, if I could, what would I do? And I was like, man, I should get me a car. But I was like, for What? To drive 1000, 1500 miles a year? Spend 400, $500,000 on a car that I put 1500 to 2000 miles on it?

[Michael Smith]

Let me get you a bike, man. Go get you a Triumph bike. Let's ride. Me, you or Ocho?

[Tab Ramos]

Oh, who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I got about. Oh, oh, I got. I got bikes. I got carbon fiber.

[Michael Smith]

You talking about a ride bike? I'm talking about like a motorcycle bike.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, I want me. I want me a. A Harley bagger.

[Michael Smith]

You want a Harley bagger?

[Ryan Hollins]

No. Yeah, back over the 30 inch. 30. 30 inch wheel.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, man, I'm gonna get us a little sponsorship deal where we all get some bikes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm good. Y' all have fun. They call it asphalt, Joe. It's your ass. It is your fault.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I was riding today, Joe. What? You trying to get what they got.

[Michael Smith]

What do you mean you were what you. What?

[Ryan Hollins]

You were riding today, Man, I got my little haunt. My little haunt ain't number 500.

[Michael Smith]

You gotta put that up.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, hey, Joe, I'm just. I'm just trying to play it safe. You get. You can deal with Harley. I want a. I want a Harley bag.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, okay.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah, look, little 30 inch rim on the front. Little music.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I thought you was talking. I thought you was talking about. I thought you was talking about a Trek or Axiom 7 or Cannondale, something like that. But you talking.

[Michael Smith]

You trying to hit the neighborhood. You want to hit the neighborhood?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get a. Yeah, yeah, I. You. I. I used to ride a bunch. I used to be all around. Around your neck of the neighborhoods. Yeah. Over there off a Chastain Powers Fair. Heard Fair. All that over there. Yeah, coming through there. Yeah.

[Michael Smith]

Okay. Okay. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Yeah, I was like that.

[Michael Smith]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that was the Black Lance.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, tell me more about this deal with them bikes.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, man, but uncle don't want to ride. You know, he don't want to do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, Joe, me and you can ride, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't worry about it.

[Michael Smith]

I got a little deal for us, you know what I mean? All we got to do is we gotta do two promo deals throughout the once a month and, man, we get free bikes. Hold on.

[Ryan Hollins]

What kind of bikes? Oh, damn. Triumphant Triumph ain't got no big boys.

[Michael Smith]

They got some nice bikes, man. They got some nice vintage bikes, you know what I mean? Adult, adult type of bikes, man.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hold on. Triumph, that's like, that's like. When you traveling across the country, man.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, man, it's. It's a little quick bike. You can get in and out through the city, you know? I mean, you, you gonna be on a Harley also. You might not be big enough to ride no Harley, man. You got that? You. You might not know how to handle the Harley now.

[Ryan Hollins]

But Joe, what you talking about, Joe? But I had, I had, I had street bikes when I was playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hardly big bike, though.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah, I know. I want, I want the Big Boy 30 inch grill. So, I mean, sitting back, legs wide. Listen to Frankie Beverly and Maze. Hey, Joe, I ain't going over 40, 50 miles an hour. I'm cruising.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm good.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, with my cowboy boots on and

[Shannon Sharpe]

the tank top, four wheels and a top on it. That's why I get down and get. I don't want. You want no convertible no more.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm good.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, we got something for you, though. We got one for you. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

According to Adam Frankelstein, the Hornets trading Lamelo Ball and Mile Bridges was getting rid of bad influences. They cleaned up the locker room. They're getting rid of the bad influences. They're bringing in professionals. Joe. Yeah, Listen, man, those nice guys, and we see this a lot, A lot. So I don't know. Look, I don't know nobody. I don't know anyone in, In.

[Michael Smith]

In.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In. In Charlotte to confirm or deny this,

[Michael Smith]

but hey, yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

they traded two. I mean, LaMelo Ball was. He's been the best player the Hornets had ever drafted. Best player they ever drafted. They finally got it right of all. They had Michael Key, Greek, Chris, and they had Adam Morrison, and they had all these guys. And now the other kid, the Miller kid, he can play. He can play. What does this mean, Joe? You think there's any validity to this? Do you see? Because, you know, I just hate. I just hate when people get traded and all of a sudden they were bad influences. I never heard this while those two guys were playing. Anything about bad influences in the locker.

[Michael Smith]

Well, listen, man, you talking about cleaning up the culture of your franchise, of your team. Normally it starts with the head of the snake, which is Lamelo. You know, I don't know what type of leader he is, Uncle Ocho, or how he was leading those young men, but obviously they wanted to go in a different direction with Miles Bridges. Great, great young talent. At the same time, man, when you trying to be a rapper and play a professional sport, you know, and I understand some cats do do it, but hey, man, every franchise ain't going for that, bro. You know, when they want to clean up their locker room, they want to get. Hey, man, they got to start somewhere. And obviously, if you asking me, Lamelo and Bridges was probably two of your best talents that you had, and you just at their highest, you know, value, you just tried to get something for them. I think. I think they. Yeah, I think they cleaning up the locker room. They want a different Culture around them, bro.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, well, listen, they're gonna have a different culture. They clean up the locker room and, you know, certain. Certain you're not. You're not gonna win with what you got, though. You're not gonna win what you got. Sometimes you got to have some players. That's a little rough around the edge, huh? Sometimes you need that on your team. You need a little edge because, you know, high character guys or great guys that are for the locker room or players that are perfect examples. I mean, that's only gonna get you so far, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Ryan Hollins]

You still need that. You still need that dog. You still need you some dogs to get you, you know, over.

[Michael Smith]

The hunt is as good as the Hornets were last year. Think about this, man. Hell, they still didn't make the playoff. You know, they played in the plan.

[Ryan Hollins]

So, you know, okay, where they gonna be at this year?

[Michael Smith]

I. I think the Hornets feel like they can stay right where they at here with the team they got versus continue. And then you have to pay these guys. See, that's the problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Miles Bridges on the expiring contract, he's gonna want big money. And then I'm gonna have to make a decision on Mellow. Am I gonna give mellow 300 million? It's like, nah, we're not.

[Michael Smith]

So this.

[Ryan Hollins]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And when I said Charlotte, I'm not look. I'm looking at people drafted to Charlotte. I understand the New Orleans Hornets, I think they became the Charlotte. So. For the song. So Chris. I don't. I don't. I look at Chris Paul. Yeah. Chris Paul is the best player that's been in that organization. New Orleans, Charlotte, but Charlotte didn't draft him. Of the players for me, I know Kimber Walker, you might say Kimber, but I think based on the trajectory of where it was heading, I think Mello was going to be the best player selected. But we'll never know. We'll never know. It got cut short. They traded him. Knipple looks really good. Miller looks really good. They feel they got. They got a group of guys now with Kobe, White can score the basketball more of kind of in line. What they want to do kind of want to build their optics. It seems to me they want to build their offense around Brandon Miller and conquer Nipple.

[Michael Smith]

Yep, exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I don't think they felt they could do that with Mellow and mile Bridges on there. Cause they like, you know what? Miles probably gonna be trying to play for a contract. And him playing for a contract might not be most conducive for Us winning games. You have so. Because, Chad, you just can't think as a player. You gotta think as an organization that's about to invest 100. And it's easy for some, man. Just pay them. It's easy to pay somebody when it's not your money. Hey, it's easy to pay somebody when it's not your money.

[Michael Smith]

And Lamelo and Miles Bridges are ball stopper, you know, they. They play in isolation. They like to dribble that ball. They like to playmate, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, I'm telling y', all, man, the way. The way the league going, bro, it's only gonna be a handful of guys who really get to kind of mix and do what they want out there. If you can't shoot, if you can't catch and shoot and get to that cup. Hey, man, it's a hard place for you because going to these teams now, because the NBA is so much younger, Uncle Ocho, it's always gonna have a guy already there. You know what I mean? So you fall in line, bro. And to cats who. Who've always been the man all the way up until they get professional, that's why they get lost in the sauce, because they don't know how to play no other role if they ain't playing the lead role, you know what I mean? So cats gonna have to. Hey, they gonna have to find a way to adapt, bro, and be effective, because that's how you stick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I. And I think, Joe, it's gonna be hard to keep two superstars because once that money get to 300 million, I'm not paying two guys on the same team 300 million. And I damn sure ain't finna pay him 400 million. Because that's where this thing is headed, right? That's where it's headed. So it's about to be harder and harder. You might have seen your last three peat. You might have seen your last repeat. Cause it's gonna get harder and harder, Joe, because guess what? Somebody contract is going to be coming up damn near every year, so. And if your star players. How can I keep it together?

[Michael Smith]

Look. Oh, you gotta do what. What Brunson did for the Knicks. You gotta hope. You gotta hope your top guy take a haircut.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said a haircut. I said a nice fade. You got me a season. You gave me a coach. You cut all my itch off. Because here's the thing, Ocho, you know this. In football, for every Tom Brady, everybody else took all the money they Supposed to get.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, come on, now.

[Michael Smith]

But listen, you know, team's gonna be preaching that, though. Okay, Ocho? You know, I mean, hell, if we give you. Okay, we give you 300 M's, how we gonna fill out the damn roster?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can't. I'll let you figure that out.

[Ryan Hollins]

I ain't got nothing to do with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll let you figure that out. Joe, guess what? As a matter of fact, the. The. The church. I get my service. I get my service on.

[Michael Smith]

On my phone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I listen to the church service on the phone.

[Michael Smith]

If you take. If you take this little haircut, we can bring you in two valuable pieces that you can use and we can win us a title, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what? Dollar Bill Teller. I got a contract between me and you to say you pay me what you owe me. I want all that. I. I just don't see. I just don't see guys doing what Brunson did. I commend him. I'm never going to hold it against him. He's the King of New York. He was for. He's forever knighted. He's forever golden in that state, in that city. But I don't believe. I don't believe. And I could be wrong. And if I'm wrong, I'm gonna be mad. But I don't believe you'll find. I don't believe you'll see three other guys do what he did.

[Ryan Hollins]

Especially not if the team is not constructed in the right way to even have a chance to win a championship.

[Michael Smith]

Well, only time gonna tell. You think Wimby gonna take a little haircut for you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no. No, not before you can't do it on the first contract. Because. But here's the thing, though, Joe. Because when you look at it and people like, look at Tom. Look at Tom. Y' all do realize Tom Brady got a contract that's worth more now with Fox than he made in the NFL. Now, how many of these guys, once they leave the game, gonna have a job that pays them more than they made in the league and work that many? So he ain't. He ain't touching now. That's just. With his Fox money, he got other things going on. I think he's a part of Noble now. He's a part of. You know, he got supplement companies, and he's part of fanatics. He's a part of a lot of things. So everybody's not going to be able to make. Obviously, you got your money, you invested your money, you still be able to make money. But Tom Brady Ain't got to touch it. He's still. He's still going to be able to invest money,

[Kohler Ambassador]

Tom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably making off the field probably 50, 60 million dollars a year. There's not very many guys that's gonna be that. That can leave a sport and make more money once they leave the sport than they made when they was in the sport. That's. You get. You get. Think about it. You get Tony Romo, you get Troy Aikman, you get a Collinsworth, you get a Brady. But everybody ain't getting them jobs like that, guys. Y' all know that. I'm not breaking news to you. And I just don't. I just don't believe 113 million dollar haircut,

[Ryan Hollins]

man. Please. And mind you, if you take 113 million dollar haircut, the chances you. The chances of being able to make

[Shannon Sharpe]

that back up 10, 15, you might can make that up, Joe. 113.

[Ryan Hollins]

You can't make that up.

[Michael Smith]

Listen, you see what championship you got him. The championship. I'm saying you got to be a little different now. Hey, hey, hey, hey. It don't sound like. It don't sound like neither one of us will take a damn haircut to. I know. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I didn't say I would. What you mean neither one of us?

[Michael Smith]

I know you ain't, and I know.

[Ryan Hollins]

It. It depend on the situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please.

[Michael Smith]

113.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not in my prime. I ain't taking no. Hey, hey, Shannon, you know what we want to give Helen? We want to, you know, we got this great HR person, Helen. Well, you ain't gonna be able to hire Helen because I'm gonna need all my money. You better get. You better get the second or third best HR person, or the second or third best CEO or cfo, whatever you want to call it. But I ain't giving none of mine away.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, that situation matters, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Michael Smith]

Get your money, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kevin Durant reportedly is interested in playing with Cade Cunningham. Per Brett Siegel, the Houstons are expected to bid for his services. If Houston ever makes them available, you got to make them offer they can't refuse every. Anything. If you could have anything you want

[Michael Smith]

other than Thompson, and, and, And I can see that happening because you gotta think. You remember Durant said whatever he said in the media about. I mean, in, in that Burner county had about his teammates, and they found out it was him, it could be some bad blood over there. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I mean?

[Michael Smith]

Yeah. Now, I wouldn't mind seeing KD play with Kate. I think. I think that would be a piece that will ultimately. That can ultimately put the Pistons over the top. Because what they were lacking in the. In the series was scoring, bro. It was too much on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Consistent score. Because in the last game, if K couldn't do it, nobody could do it. You know, Tobias had to buy. Had a great first round. He had a great second round. But that. Those last three games with a.

[Ryan Hollins]

I

[Shannon Sharpe]

had a great first round with Orlando and then he had a great first three couple games with Cleveland. But after that. Listen, hey, what's.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, what's. What's Katie number this young.

[Michael Smith]

What you mean?

[Ryan Hollins]

What you mean like how much. How much he. How much he makes?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah. How much he making?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably about What, Joe? About 42, 43.

[Ryan Hollins]

I'm trying to think. We got enough. We got enough room for now. We ain't got no room.

[Michael Smith]

Enough room for what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah. Cause y' all about to. Y' all gotta pay. What you call them. Y' all about to get them.

[Michael Smith]

Please. You think y' all would. Yeah, Y' all trying to put together a dream team. Nah, Ocho, they ain't gonna work.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, hey. I gotta call. I gotta. I gotta call. I gotta call kd.

[Michael Smith]

See what Katie. No, that ain't gonna work. I'm sorry.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he make it 54.7 God damn money. Which includes a 2 year, 90 million dollar extension that includes a player option for 27, 28.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, if KD came out east, Uncle Ocho, but I think the east would be a lot tougher than the damn west because the. The west would just be top heavy with about 3 to 14. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. I mean, maybe they want draft compensation, but I don't know other than. I mean, you can't have Cade. I don't know if San Antonio. Excuse me, San Antonio. Does the, The. The Rockets do they want during to put in with Shingoon?

[Michael Smith]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to say if we can do a sign and trade. I'm trying to see what we can offer. I don't want to give up Thompson and I'm not giving up K. Cunningham. So I'm trying to think what we can. What. What kind of package Detroit can put together to put potentially pry KD away.

[Michael Smith]

That's a good one. I don't know. They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, that's something they gonna have to figure out here.

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Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But now the question is now that they got smart to pair him with Thompson. Two defensive guys. Are you or am I willing to get rid of? I don't think Even with that, I don't think. I don't think Houston can win the championship. That's just me.

[Michael Smith]

No, but I. I think. I think you know why? Because Katie still got a lot of value, too, now. Okay, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure. Because they still don't got a point guard. They still. Because Houston still doesn't have a point guard.

[Michael Smith]

I don't know, man. I. You know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what about put Brian in Houston?

[Michael Smith]

Damn. Nah, hold on.

[Ryan Hollins]

And we gotta stop. We. We gotta. We gotta stop throwing.

[Tab Ramos]

Stop.

[Ryan Hollins]

Stop throwing the goat around like that and trying to put him on every team now.

[Michael Smith]

It's a lot of intriguing spaces.

[Ryan Hollins]

We not. We not gonna treat. We're not gonna treat him like a journeyman. He ain't no drink.

[Michael Smith]

He ain't. But wherever he go, he gonna be there for the next.

[Ryan Hollins]

I told you where he going.

[Michael Smith]

Hey, hey, hey. Don't. Don't. Don't get mad at me, bro.

[Ryan Hollins]

I'm not getting mad at you. I'm mad at y'.

[Michael Smith]

All.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hypotheticals. Hey, take. Take your heart out of it. Take the emotion out of it. If you take your heart and emotionality, you understand where you're going to tell

[Michael Smith]

you to do, but you ain't listening.

[Ryan Hollins]

All right, all right, Joe. Y' all don't want to listen to me. Yeah. You know, I got elite ball knowledge, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I'm gonna take your word for it, Ocho.

[Ryan Hollins]

Appreciate that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just trying. I'm just trying to see a scenario, Joe, where he can go and, you know, hey, Ocho, that'd be a great place for us to go watch a game.

[Ryan Hollins]

Where?

[Michael Smith]

Miami, Houston.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So Magic. Hey, Joe. We lead the game and go straight to the spot. Look at it now. Now he want to do it now. Look at him now. Look at it, Joe.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, I. I like it. Hey, listen, I like it. I like it. I like the aesthetics of it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Ryan Hollins]

You know, just. Just. Just thinking about it. It's cool. But, no, we ain't winning nothing. We ain't winning nothing there. Yeah, he coming to Miami.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, man.

[Ryan Hollins]

Hey, that was a good one. That was a good one. That got me hyped. They got me hyped real quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So Kevin Durant, let's see what. Hey, let's see what happened. I mean, Monday is now when all the deals. All the deals can take place. I mean, can be. Can be, you know, stamped and so we'll see. Let's see if somebody might want to make a move for Kev. Kd.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tyler Hero threw shade At Bam out of bio in an Instagram DM with a fan after being traded in Milwaukee. Here. Hero said you should get paid 60 million to be a top tier defender on some nights. I'm just wondering. Bam was paid 50, 58 million over the next three season. He averaged 20 points, 10 rebounds, 3.10 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 1. Still 44% field goal shooting. Here Hero posted a graphic showing Giannis and Bam have the lowest field goal on mid range field goal attempt. Look at this.

[Tab Ramos]

Damn.

[Michael Smith]

Hero posted that in the dm. Yeah. Hey, the hate be real on the man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, you know it's gonna be real. Lady go in that locker room. You know, they look, you know, you know, he. You know, I. I want to put it out there, but y' all know what's going on. Y' all know what's going on.

[Michael Smith]

Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Ryan Hollins]

Yeah.

[Michael Smith]

Okay. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't do your own research. I ain't helping y'. All.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hero posted a graphic on his IG story.

[Michael Smith]

Yeah. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, Bam ain't Trajan.

[Ryan Hollins]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You need to get mad at Rouse. And plus Rile's upset that you every year. At some point in time, you gonna get hurt. You know how Riley feel about that. Joe, you played for him. He hate that.

[Michael Smith]

Emotions high. Okay, Ocho. Emotions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't get mad at the damn player.

[Michael Smith]

Right, you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, Bam? What? What?

[Ryan Hollins]

Bam?

[Michael Smith]

I thought that was his dog. I thought that was his man's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought so, too.

[Ryan Hollins]

Dang.

[Michael Smith]

Gotta figure it out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's called soccer. It's called football.

[Tab Ramos]

Soccer.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Tab Ramos]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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