Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Giannis Antetokounmpo TRADED to Heat + Did Tom Brady Just Diss Aaron Rodgers?

Summary

Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1

Episode Title: Giannis Antetokounmpo TRADED to Heat + Did Tom Brady Just Diss Aaron Rodgers?
Date: June 23, 2026
Hosts: James “Debo” Harrison and Joe Hayden
Network: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Nightcap, Debo and Joe dive into two major sports headlines:

1. The blockbuster trade sending Giannis Antetokounmpo to the Miami Heat
2. Tom Brady’s much-discussed comments about Aaron Rodgers’ place in NFL history

The hosts bring their signature humor and unfiltered energy, breaking down what these stories mean for both teams and players, and sharing personal insights drawn from their years in the league. They also discuss the latest Top 100 NFL player rankings, focusing on some underrated Steelers. Tech issues, jokes, and playful roasting round out the vibe, making for a lively and genuine conversation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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I. Giannis Antetokounmpo Traded to Miami Heat

[06:39–14:10]

• Trade Breakdown:

  • The Miami Heat acquired Giannis from Milwaukee in exchange for a massive haul: several key role players (including Tyler Herro, Andrew Wiggins, Norman Powell) and draft picks (three first-rounders in '26, '31, '33, a second-rounder in '33, and pick swap in '30).
  • Both hosts analyze which team “won” the deal.

• Immediate Reactions

  • Debo:

    “For me to be able to call a winner, I gotta have an obvious loser. Right now, it’s not an obvious loser.” (08:58)

  • Joe:

    “I’m gonna go with Milwaukee. I’m a fan of Giannis, but at the end of the day, I have to see what the rest...they’re gonna have to get some more pieces.” (07:30)

    • Joe sees Milwaukee building for the future, while Miami is “all-in for now.”

• Heat Roster Outlook

  • Both agree: Giannis and Bam give Miami a beastly frontcourt, but “they still need more shooters” and a floor general to truly compete.
  • Miami giving up depth, but betting on immediate championship success.

• Bucks' Perspective

  • Milwaukee prioritizes certainty and volume of assets, rather than the risk of a star-for-star swap (i.e., Boston’s Jalen Brown offer).
  • Debo:

    “If [Miami] don’t get that championship, that’s a loss.” (10:54)

• Long-Term Outlook

  • Both see the trade’s true results unfolding over several years:

    “It could be two winners in this situation.” — Debo (11:07)
    “Both teams...are in different situations...We’ll know how good this trade is off rip for Miami [now]...for the Bucks, it’s gonna take more time.” — Joe (11:16–11:54)

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II. Tom Brady’s Comments on Aaron Rodgers

[17:46–30:53]

• The "Was" Controversy

  • Tom Brady called Aaron Rodgers the “greatest passer of the football the NFL has ever seen...the way it comes out of his hand, the way it spins and delivers with pace and accuracy.” (21:31–21:44)
  • Brady’s use of “was” sparked debate on social media, with fans speculating he was dismissing Rodgers’ current play.

• Debo Defends Brady’s Intent

  • Debo:

    “He said ‘was’ because...in his prime to me is the greatest passer of the football the NFL has ever seen.” (22:59–24:00)

    • Emphasizes that Brady referenced Rodgers’ prime, not denying his ongoing talent.

  • Memorable Quote:

    “Father Time. Undefeated, bro.” (24:13 – Debo)

    • Both hosts agree: Age eventually dulls every athlete’s edge.

• Joe's Perspective as a Cornerback

  • Joe relates his firsthand experiences facing Rodgers and Brady, placing Rodgers above in raw throwing ability:

    “From my eye test, I thought [Rodgers] was the best thrower of the football I’ve ever seen...He could just put it in places where, like, that's just unbelievable.” (25:24–26:22)

  • Anecdote from Joe:

    • First game as a Brown, facing Rodgers at Lambeau:

      “He went 12 for 12...They were going crazy on us. Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson...He was putting the ball in a perfect position.” (26:34)

    • Concludes you can play perfect defense “but he just puts the ball where you couldn’t touch.”

• Legacy Talk

  • Striking a balance between individual skill and team accomplishments:

    “If you take an individual player, quarterback — Aaron Rodgers — watch him throw the ball...He can do anything...” (27:36–28:29)

  • Both hosts agree Brady is the GOAT for championships, but Rodgers is unrivaled in terms of pure throwing ability.

• Summary Statement:

  “Hearing it from Tom Brady is making me feel like I’m not tripping.” (30:24 – Joe)

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III. Steelers & Top 100 NFL Players Discussion

[30:55–41:41]

• Spotlighting Joey Porter Jr.

  • Nicknamed “Little Big Peazy,” praised for size, skill, and shutting down top receivers.
  • Debo:

    “Listen, man, this man ain’t gave up a touchdown...1,417 consecutive snaps in coverage without a touchdown, dude.” (35:11)

  • Both see him as a lock for the Top 100 (if not, “stop playing”).

• Growth & Mentorship

  • Joe shares mentorship insight:

    “All I need him to start doing is...turning some of those pass breakups into interceptions...That’s just coming with film study, getting more comfortable.” (35:46–36:23)

• Challenges for Offensive Linemen

  • Zach Frazier (center) discussed as deserving, but “hard to make Top 100 as an O-lineman unless you’re the top dog.” (37:50–39:56)

• Other Notable Corners

  • Jamal Dean highlighted for elite coverage metrics.
  • Both celebrate the Steelers’ deep and physical secondary.

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IV. NFL Defense Philosophy: Communication and Coaching

[41:01–42:35]

• Coaching Consistency

  • Emphasizes the need for coaches to “speak the same language” and teach sound, fixed principles.
  • Accept that “you can’t protect against every weakness — if you try, you just create 3 or 4 more.” (41:41 – Debo)

• Execution over Hype

  • Joe:

    “Do your job...When we have 11 people doing that and...some that do better at their job than others...our defense works.” (41:53–42:35)

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V. Playful Banter, Wi-Fi Woes, and Closing Moments

[14:18, 43:07–48:14]

• Joe’s Wi-Fi repeatedly cuts out, creating ongoing jokes:

  • “The boy got all that money over there in that big house and he can’t even keep up with the Wi-Fi!” (14:18 – Debo)
  • An extended riff on fiber optics, Starlink, and finding a good internet provider.
  • Debo:

    “Hey, listen, we need a Wi-Fi sponsor now...Joe need help. We down bad in these streets.” (47:21)

• Highest Top 100 ranking for Joe:

  • “23. Oh, come on, man. 23. Hey, that ain’t bad.” (42:42)
  • That matches his jersey number.

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Notable Quotes

• Debo on Trade Philosophy:

  “For me to be able to call a winner, I gotta have an obvious loser. Right now, it’s not an obvious loser.” [08:58]

• Joe on Miami’s Roster Needs:

  “They still need more shooters because Giannis and Bam...gonna take up the paint.” [07:30]

• Debo on Brady’s Rodgers Comments:

  “Now what we go do here is take it for exactly what it is. In his prime, yes, in his prime, he was [the best]. Brady is 100% true in his statement.” [21:49]

• Joe On Rodgers’ Throws:

  “When I would watch Aaron Rodgers with my eye test, I thought he was the best thrower of the football that I’ve ever seen.” [25:24]

• Debo:

  “Father Time. Undefeated, bro.” [24:13]

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Important Timestamps

• [06:39] – First discussion of Giannis trade, Miami's "win now", Bucks' rebuild
• [11:07] – Calling the trade “potentially two winners”
• [17:46] – Tom Brady’s Rodgers comments, media misinterpretation
• [24:13] – “Father Time is undefeated” quote
• [28:29] – Joe’s Rodgers and Brady anecdotes as a DB
• [35:11] – Joey Porter Jr.’s shutdown stats
• [41:41] – NFL defense/communication philosophy
• [43:07–48:14] – Extended Wi-Fi jokes, sponsor plea

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Tone & Style

• Playful and conversational with authentic athlete insights
• Blend of analysis, story-telling, and friendly trash talk
• Sports-slang and insider perspective (“you in your duffel now!”)

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Summary

This Nightcap episode delivers high-energy breakdowns of two major stories—the Giannis trade and the sports media storm around Tom Brady’s remarks on Aaron Rodgers. Debo and Joe’s expertise and history as elite NFL defenders provides depth, especially on legacy and what separates mere talent from true greatness. The friendly back-and-forth, personal anecdotes, and sense of humor (punctuated by chronic Wi-Fi jokes) make this a can’t-miss for both casual fans and hardcore football heads alike.

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For referenced quotes/timestamps and deeper analysis, see above sections.

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[Joe Hayden]

Brother Debo I was fighting for my life. My Wi fi was acting crazy. You know what I'm saying? But it literally technical difficulties. I made it in the nick of time, my brother. You talk, you text me. I'm looking down on my phone. 15 seconds. When I come on the music's going on. I'm like, oh, okay. They didn't wait for me. Debo was about to go without me.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, Joe, you know, the show must go on. The show must go on. Listen, man, it's Debo and Joe, and when Debo is dead, go be Joe. When Joe ain't there, go be Debo. The show got to go on now, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Whoa, man. I zo. And you know. You know, we just talked before the show. We talked about 10 minutes before. We was chopping it up. I'm like, okay. Yeah. I go to my setup, Wi fi. I'm like this. Oh, no. Oh, no. Wi fi.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Is that Reese?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. I'm good to go now. I'm good to go now. I'm good to go now. Debo. I'm back. I'm back. Wi Fi set up. I made it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm here for sure.

[Joe Hayden]

Are you. Can I.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hit me. I got you. I'm 100. I'm trying. I'm trying to. I'm trying to see if we. We go get some more background chatter from. From peanut Gallery or something, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

The good homie Reese was out there cooling. I was like, oh, yeah, she. She's alone.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Brother.

[Joe Hayden]

Brother. So I'm here. I'm here. Yes, sir.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Look here, man. Look here. Oh, Giannis, I bet. Hey, you say his last name because I don't want to chop up his last name. It ain't nothing about the braces. I was gonna tear that up. I was gonna be like, I was gonna tear that apart, baby. They traded my guy over there. They got him up out of Milwaukee. Gave him to.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Well, they ain't giving. They ain't just giving to Miami.

[Joe Hayden]

Dang.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah, Miami. Miami went on ahead and said, we go. We go send you half the squad, and then you go, give us Giannis and we go roll on through there. Plus, y' all give us. What is it? 3. Three first and a second, and then they got a swap of another one, but that really don't matter. Joe. This right here. Who you think won? Who you think won? Who you think won in the trade? Miami or Mil or Milwaukee?

[Joe Hayden]

Who I think won, I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with Milwaukee. I'm gonna go with Milwaukee. I. I'm a fan of Giannis, but at the end of the day, I have to see what the rest. That they're going to do. Right now, they don't have no squad. It's him. Bam. You know what? I'm saying. And I think that's about it. That's all they got. So I think that they're gonna have to get some more pieces. They got draft picks. They got a lot of stuff. So, I mean, I. I don't know what they're going to do. Milwaukee for the future. I think they plan way better for being able to get a lot of picks. Tyler Hero. The players that they got is going to be really good for them. So I think they were going more for the future, and Miami's going for now. But I think with them, they still need to get like a point guard. They still need to get some more scores because Giannis and Bam, that's those. Those are big bodies, you know what I'm saying? Going to take up the paint. But they need more shooters.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, I understand that, but they got. Who was that over there? What's dude's name? What's the other two? Well, it's two. Maybe two or it's two other cats over there. I can't even think of their name right now, to be honest with you, bro.

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. Or something.

[Joe Hayden]

My man. Bam. That dropped 80.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They got Wiggins, too, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they got Wiggins, too. They got Wiggins, too. Talking about they got Wiggins and they got. And they got Norman. They got Norman Powell, bro. Come on.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I just said pow, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You over there making like they ain't getting nothing, bro. Like, stop playing like this right here. This move right here, I'm. I'm. For me to be able to call a. Like a winner, I gotta have an obvious loser. And I. And I feel like right now it's not an obvious loser.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[Tab Ramos]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

So I think this is gonna be something that's gonna be told in the future now, if they get over there and Yanis get over there in Miami and everything that this man didn't gave up the source. Who was this? Kevin o'. Connell. Sources say Buck's owner, Jim Haslin. You know Jim has. You know. You know. You know who Jimmy Haslam is, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir. They said he was the driving force

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

in taking the heat deal. Forget for Giannis over Boston's offer. I guess they had an offer from Boston for what's his name? Hasn't Jalen want to risk Jalen Brown wanting out of Milwaukee in a year after dealing with Giannis and Miles Garrett trade demands has them wanted. Hasn't wanted certainty. And the Miami deal proved more of that with more total assets in return to Milwaukee, bruh. If he get over there and Giannis get them a trophy, they get them a championship. That was a good trade. That's a good trade.

[Joe Hayden]

They.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They.

[Joe Hayden]

They.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They won. They won. You were still. Again, like they said, they. Milwaukee, they done said, you know what? We go start over from scratch. Gonna go, but we a just start from scratch. You'll give us a starter packet?

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, for sure, Tyler. Hero is the baller.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Tyler, you gonna give us a starter packing, and then on top of that, you'll give us three. First, you gonna give us one this year in 26, and then you go give us one in 31 and 33, and then a second in 33, and they got a swap in 30. So that really don't matter. Like. Like, yo, I'm playing for right now to get this going. But if they don't get it going and they don't get that championship, that's a loss.

[Joe Hayden]

And that's when we. That's what I'm saying.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They go and they build that thing up and they. They go ahead. And now they can go in. In five, four or five years or something.

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They.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They back in the fray five, six years. They. They get them one. It's a win for them. It could be. Hey, it could be two winners in this situation.

[Joe Hayden]

1,000%, because both teams, Debo, are in different situations. Like you said, the Miami Heat right now, when they go get Giannis, they're trying to win this season. They're trying to bring the championship. They're trying to contend elite. The Milwaukee Bucks is like, look, we had Giannis all these times. We won a ship that's about as high as it's going to be. He don't want to be here. He's a little flustered. You know, let's get him up out of there, get him in a different situation, and at the same time, try to still get players back and a hall for the future. So you right, we'll know how good this trade is off. Rip this for Miami.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We gonna know for Miami this season

[Joe Hayden]

in the next couple years, we gonna know what the Bucks looking like from the picks that they started to get and what Tyler Herro and that squad look like. So I. I feel you. It's not an instant. You can't tell off the rip because we're gonna have to play out what Giannis ends up doing with the this year, and then with those draft picks and what Tyler Herro turns into. We're gonna have to. It's gonna take a little more time for us to see what develops with that. So, no, I'm I love it. I get you. We. We gotta. The bets. How it went. Right now, Miami got a ball out. Let's see what it looks like. Got time for my. For more.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, you got time. Well, every player, they trade with four. The four players, what was it, 20 to 25. Like, they got bulls, they got picks coming. They got the 13th this year coming, and they got another two, like I said, in 31, 33. Like, they're building for the future.

[Fidelity Representative]

They.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They hoping that in, you know, that. That four to six time frame, they go grab them one then. And they don't put all that stuff together. They able to take the picks that they acquired in that and get the right people in the position to go out there and do the damn thing. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[Nissan Representative]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Hayden]

It's gonna be good. It finally happened because Giannis was about where he had to get up out of. He had to get up out of there. It was going to be. Do you think that this. Do you think this one was better than the Boston trade with Jalen Brown?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Well, considering what.

[Joe Hayden]

That. You don't know if he was going

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

to resign, considering what Milwaukee was like, yo, we just go. We go start from scratch. Because I don't think that trade of the one for one for that. I don't think that does anything for him. I think it still keeps them where they at.

[Joe Hayden]

They were still gonna get some picks, though. I think it would have been Jalen. And maybe. Maybe. I know for sure, a first round pick.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, but you ain't got. Listen, they got a whole. They got a whole starter pack, bro. Yeah. Come on.

[Joe Hayden]

I feel you. If you want to start fresh, they.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You got people that, like you said, you got people that, you know, can do a little something, and then you got guys that they obviously picked up, they thought would be able to develop, but they ain't even give them time to develop. They're like, yo, we want to win right now. We ain't trying to wait here. Give us Giannis. Y' all take all this. We go move. Y' all go move. Everybody get what they want. And hopefully it'll be a deal. It'll be a good deal for both of them.

[Joe Hayden]

We're gonna see what it look like,

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

you know, they gotta see. I hate. I hate New York.

[Nissan Representative]

Yeah,

[Joe Hayden]

they gotta see New York. That's what we saying. They gotta see New York. They gotta see ball.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't hate New York. I hate the fans. That's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

And hold on, my. Look, Giannis didn't go to my calves so we didn't feel like we had.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, Joe. Wi fi cutting out. Yeah, the boy got that trash. Wi fi man, he wasn't lying to you, man. The boy, listen, he got, he got all that money over there in that big house and he can't even keep up with the Wi fi. Boy got cars. The boy got. He got, he got everything.

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

the WI fi ain't working. Look at him sitting there, froze. Froze. It's a shame. It's a shame. Look at him fist balled up. He ain't even doing nothing now. Joe, if you can hear me, you might as well go ahead and just try and jump on your WI fi on your phone. Joe, listen here. All that money, you can't even get no good service. That's bad, Joe. That's bad. Look here. So I' ma go ahead do this right here until Joe come back. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go on over here and see what one of these great quarterbacks, one of these great quarterbacks said about a quarterback that happened to be on on my team. So, hey, chat, look here, now, we got 120 people right now in the chat. Hey, we should have 120 likes on this episode right now. Chat, we only got 22. Hit the like button. Look here, when it comes to arm talent, Tom Brady says no one has done it like Aaron Rodgers. He said, I think there's no greater passer of the football than Aaron Rodgers. There are certain people, you see everyone do it, and then you see one person throw the ball that much, bear that much better. Aaron was incredible. Was incredible. It's hard to put into words how incredible he passes the ball, the way it comes out of his hand, the way it spins and delivers with pace, and the accuracy. There's only probably three people in the history of the NFL that could do it like him. Incredible. My man said it's incredible. He did say was, though. I know a lot of I know a lot of people was trying to press on the was. And it's a very logical reason why he said was. And the reason man said was is because if you actually go and look at where he said it and don't just take it from this article, because what they did in the end of it was they, they hit with the. Then, then the article said something like Brady. Brady says it like Aaron Rodgers still isn't. Isn't still playing. Nah, Aaron's still playing. Like, you know what I'm saying? He's still playing. He said was. Because if you go and look at what he actually said, instead of just reading the article and letting them bait you into believing some bs, the whole story is he said, Aaron in his prime to me, in his prime to me is the greatest passer of the football the NFL has ever seen, okay? He could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any other player I think, in the history of the NFL. End quote. That's what he said. That's what he said. Okay? Now what we go do here is take it for exactly what it is. In his prime, yes, in his prime, he was. Okay, Brady is 100 true in his statement, because Aaron Rodgers in his prime was incredible. He's not saying he's not incredible. He's just saying, like, in his prime. Like, in his prime, he could do that weekend week out, play in, play out. Hell, I saw it firsthand. The super bowl. That boy was threatening balls with laser precision. I mean, just missing the ball by, you know, fingertip, you know, you're talking about an inch or two. You just missing the ball from. From getting there. And that's the difference between, you know, a touchdown and a first down or whatever it may be. Like, I, I seen it firsthand, and right now, he's not in his prime. Like, that's just, that's just what it is. You know, he can still do it, but it's not as consistently, you know what I'm saying? The ball is moving a little slower. It doesn't. It don't have the same pace. You got guys that are able to get to the ball, they're able to touch it now. They're able to get a fingertip, you know, on it here and there. And that's that inch or two where, you know, the pace of the ball isn't exactly what it was. Okay? So, like, stop trying to create a little bit of drama, like, trying to make it seem like he making like he ain't playing no more. He's still playing. You got the goat of quarterbacks telling you right now, like, this man's arm. Look, listen to what he said, man. Basically, this man armored gift from heaven, Joe. This man's arm is a gift from heaven, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Because it is.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You understand what I'm saying, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Because it is. Because it is.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, no, no. Like I said, they up here trying to. Trying to add some salt to the game and all that other stuff, man. You can't do that, brother. You can't add no salt to the game. What you mean the article that I'm speaking of where Tom Brady was talking about Aaron Rodgers, he said the word was incredible. The article then proceeded to say that why did he basically say was, you know, like, like Brady isn't still, you know, playing. I mean, sorry, like, so he said Brady said it as if Rogers isn't still playing. No, see, that was just a little. He tried. He's trying to cause a little clock, get a little something on there, you know what I'm saying? But if you go and you actually look at what he said, he prefaced this with in his prime.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know, his whole quote was, Aaron in his prime, to me is the greater passer, is the greatest passer of the football the league has ever seen.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He said he could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any other player, I think, in NFL history. End quote. That's what he said. So. Yes, was. Yeah, listen, you see the shirt right here?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Father Time. Undefeated, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Undefeated.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He is undefeated, and that's the fact. By the time it's gonna catch up with all of us.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't give a damn who you are. Okay?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He ain't never lost. Never, never lost. Now, you could put up a hell of a fight.

[Erin Andrews]

I gave.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I gave him a hell of a fight, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You put up a fight. Uncle Tom put up a fight. And look on James. LeBron James is putting up a hell of a fight right now.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Fighting. Fighting for your life.

[Joe Hayden]

Fighting for your life.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Coming.

[Joe Hayden]

He's coming.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Rogers was a incredible passer of the ball. Aaron Rodgers still is a incredible passer of the ball at times now. It's just not as consistent. It's not as fast. You got guys that can get a fingertip on it where before I was saying, you get, you. You miss on that, on touching that ball by an inch or two because he got that zip still. He got that drive, he got that accuracy. It's going to be what it's going to be. This man is the highest. He has the Highest passer rating in NFL history. Like point blank touchdown interception.

[Tremphya Representative]

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[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He doesn't throw 527 and 123.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

What we talking about, Joe? What they talking about, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

This. What I'm gonna tell you. Tom Brady is a smart man. Because at the end of the day, Debo, when we first started playing football, when I came into the league, it was Tom Brady. It was. No, matter of fact, it wasn't Tom Brady. It was Peyton Manning. Yes, Tom Brady. And I mean, and, and, and Aaron Rodgers. These were the three quarterbacks that everybody looked at. Peyton Manning, in my opinion, was the best just because he was. He just couldn't get it done in the playoffs. Somehow. Tom Brady will always end up beating him in the playoffs. And Peyton Manning couldn't get to the Super Bowl. But from my eye test, I was watching Peyton Manning, I'm like, he is an amazing quarterback with the timing, his footwork, his mechanics. When I just watched Aaron Rodgers with my eye test, I thought he was the best thrower of the football that I've ever seen. When I would watch him just the way he. Just the trajectory, he could throw a fade eight ball and it would be at a level like a dart back shoulder. He could just put it in places where, like, that's just unbelievable arm angles. Just putting the ball where you can't make. You can't like.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I know. Just catch that damn ball. I know, I know. He didn't catch. He missed that, Joe. Damn. What you doing, Joe? You can't miss that ball.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you. It happened to me. My first game, preseason game, we played the. We played the packers in Lambeau Field. My first game ever for the Browns. And he went 12 for 12 on this with Jordy, he had. Jordy Nelson, he had all. They were going crazy on us. Donald Driver, all just running routes. He was putting the ball on a perfect position. I'm like, good defense, better throw, better catch. Okay, line it back up. You know what I'm saying? So for me, when he's saying it, when people get to the championships and you start saying now, all right, Tom Brady, you won more ships. But for my eye test, when you see 500 and some touchdowns to 100 and some interceptions, it's a team game. But you can't tell me individuals when you have Peyton Manning, you have Tom Brady, you have Aaron Rodgers. For me, and hearing it from Tom Brady too, I'm watching the game. You can say, Tom Brady won the super bowl, won more championships, Peyton Manning you might have higher passing yards, but if you individually take a player and I say Aaron Rodgers, I like his arm, the way he throws the ball. He can do anything. He can do anything with the ball that Tom Brady, Peyton Manning can do. Maybe not the same system and team, it all works for one to win championships. It's a whole bigger picture than just one. But if you take an individual player, quarterback Aaron Rodgers, watch him throw the ball. Watch him throw every single pass. Tom Brady, same thing, just the way that they throw the ball, the mechanics, getting the ball there when it spins out of his hand, Tom Brady knows it's just a different way. I played with Chris Lee at Florida in college. He threw one of the prettiest spirals. He might not have been the best quarterback ever, but the release and the way that the quarterbacks just get the ball there, it's just a way that you look at like that's special, you know what I'm saying? So I understand what he's saying. And Aaron Rodgers, you're getting a little older, the same way Tom Brady was getting older. He wasn't the same Tom when he was New England, when he was with Tampa. But you can put that ball there, he can still spin it. You see, I see Aaron Rodgers when he's throwing that ball with the team doing those drills, you see it's just flinging out of his hand. He's not going to lose that, that

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

pop, throw that thing almost like me.

[Joe Hayden]

He's going to be able to lose his speed, he's going to be able to lose that stuff. But that, that pop, that fling, that being able to get the ball to where it needs to get speed for sure. His elusiveness, ah, by the time chasing him, his 40 slower for sure. But that flick of the wrist, I mean, that thing, just look at the

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

wrist, it ain't still flicking, but it ain't flicking as fast. Like I said, you're able to get that. You're able to get a fingertip on it now to knock it down. Where before, you know, you, Clark talk about it, he was like, yo, I was playing it, you know, he was like. He was playing middle of the field. He was like, oh, I'm looking him off just so I can go back and break it off. Yeah, he said he slung that thing in there and he said Aaron hit him with the. He was just that close. And Ryan was like, yeah, I was just that close. He's like, I couldn't believe you got it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Swagging that thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Same thing. I'm telling you, Jordy Nelson, I'm running the fade ball. I'm looking, I'm like, this is a pick. He threw a fade right like, like a, like a slant trajectory, but it was a. Like a fade ball right over my hands, right into his hands. I'm like, how, how did he do that? He just puts the ball where you couldn't touch. I'm.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yes. Yeah, Peyton used to do that with, with placement. But he would like loft his on you like you be. You'd go over to undercut that thing and he had throw it to where he. Over the back shoulder. So, dude, to catch it like this instead of right here.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you, the quarterbacks, when they, they, they're putting the ball in pin placement spots where it's like, there's nothing really you can do. There's nothing you can do about it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, man. Listen, like, like he said, he said he is. Well, he, he believes the greatest passer of the football the league has ever seen. Passer of the football, man. He's the greatest quarterback. He's saying the pat. Like that passer, he's telling you. And then, look, I'm telling you that the man, the man's arm is goaded. It's God given him blessed talent.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm just saying. At least I know when I was seeing this and I was saying that when Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers, I'm like, Aaron Rodgers throws the ball better than all of them. Like, it just. In my opinion, when I'm looking, I just like the way he throws the ball. And hearing it from Tom Brady is making me feel like I'm not tripping. And Tom could say that too. He's like the best thrower of the football. And Tom Brady is one that everybody always says the greatest and all that. But hearing from him now, you want. Go ahead, argue with Tom Brady. Argue what Tom Brady's saying.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, you can't argue with a quarterback about a quarterback.

[Joe Hayden]

But stop.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Stop playing to go, man. Look here, man, they got the top 100 coming out right now. You know, top 100 players of 20, 26. And it's three Steelers who they.

[Joe Hayden]

Who people believe deserve to make the list.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

The list. And right now we have, I believe, one they're saying is, of course, nephew. Yes, nephew. Little, big.

[Joe Hayden]

Little.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Little big peasy.

[Joe Hayden]

Little bit peasy.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Little big peasy. Joey Porter Jr. I call him Little Big Peasy because he the little one. He's the junior.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He's bigger than his daddy now already. Oh, he little big peasy, you know what I'm saying? So when you see him together, you know, he's standing probably a good 3, 4 inches above his body now.

[Joe Hayden]

So I think, I think big peasy might have started getting a little bit shorter, you know?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You know, I'm just saying, you know,

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

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[Tab Ramos]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Erin Andrews]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Seriously, I insist.

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[Erin Andrews]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

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[Erin Andrews]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

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[Dr. Joy]

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[Fidelity Representative]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

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[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I'm saying. Anyway, I. I believe he. He should be on the list. Listen, man, this man ain't gave up a touchdown. What was it last year? He didn't give a touchdown. Hell, the last three years. What is it? One touchdown since 23?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

100 and 100. No, sorry. A thousand 417 consecutive snaps and coverage without a touchdown, dude.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

And he's shadowing the best receivers we play.

[Joe Hayden]

Exactly.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They hating because he got some penalties, you know, last year, but the year before, actually, what was it? Five or six, Something like that.

[Fidelity Representative]

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[Joe Hayden]

That's old news.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Stop playing, man. He topping completion percentage allowed, dude. He's one of not the top, but he's in the top. He's in the top in passer. Passer rating allowed. Yep. Stop playing with him, man. What are we talking about? What do you think, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I think Peasy needs to definitely be in there. He's been doing it. He's consistent. His levels of consistency. Your job at corner is to not let anybody score touchdowns. And he's been doing that at a very high clip. They're not throwing the ball over. The passive rating is good. He's been keeping his hands to himself, so now they're just eliminating that. Now all I need him to start doing is when that ball comes over there, we gonna start turning some of them pass breakups into interceptions. And then we gonna be right to where we need to be. And that's just coming with film study. Getting a little bit more comfortable. Like I've been talking to him. Cause he's been going off. Natural ability. He's lining up versus these dudes like this. Look. Raw.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He's going in there raw.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm 632 10.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You can't get open on me in there. So raw, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You can't get open on me. I mean. Cause he can. And that's when we start throwing the game down here. Now I'm talking to him just earlier this year, like, well, at the golf outing event. I'm talking to him about now. How comfortable just being able to. Now you know what you doing. Now you starting to look at them, looking at them splits, going out there, playing one on ones with the dude. It don't matter what he running because you could strap him. I say, but how much better would you feel now when you know he's running slant and you just playing with them like you don't know. And now you get into that position and you bathe and you baiting them. Now you starting to play the game where like, now you playing one on ones. You walking out there, I'm gonna guard you no matter what you got. You got passing tree. I'm just. I'm gonna get you. I'm. It's me and you. You're not gonna catch the ball. That's when real one on one corners, like, that's when you got. You're in your bag now, getting into your duffel where you already know he can't get open on you, but you know what he's gonna do before he does it. So now you playing the whole game within the game. You got the skills, you got everything you need in your bag. But now when you got over the top to where you don't got to stress as much. No, now we know something's happening. So you get to relax and you get to just, you know what I'm saying, get into your. Get into your duffel.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

For sure. For sure. So another. Another player that they believe should make it in his first. It'll be his first time in the. In the top 100. Of course, all these are players that they think should make it and have never made it before.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

This will be their first time. So Zach, was it Frazier, the center, Right. I think, I think he should make it, but I don't think he will make it just because of how hard it is for like an offensive lineman to make it. Like, you got to be, you know, you can't be just top, you know, five, 10 or whatever. Like you got to be the top dog.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You got to be the one in the league. I mean, he's close to it. I would put him in, you know, the top three to five or whatever that may be. And he's Close to it, but like, you gotta be that one. Especially top 100 in the NFL with all the other positions that you have that, you know, actually have more, they, they contribute more as far as, you know, stats, highlights, numbers, you know what I'm saying? Things that, you know, people are going to recognize and see. When you. That dog, that's that number one dude, you know, you out there probably pancaking people. You, you stopping the dude that you know is, is number one on the side of the ball. You ain't letting him get no sack. So you get an opportunity to display your skills in that game against him and show that, yeah, yeah, he the dog, but I ain't letting get nothing. So, you know, I think, I think he should make, but I don't, I don't see, I don't see him actually making it until he is that one. What do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

I. I think you saying it's the right theft. Deebo. When you're on the offensive line, you gotta be doing it for a consistent amount of time. And you need to be really just moving people out the way there needs to be level of dominance. When you're going up against top caliber talent and you start to just expose them. Because when you have centers in the league that's been doing it for a long time, when you get like a Pouncy, when you have like a Nelson at guard, these dudes, that's just what they do. So it's hard to take something away from a center that's just been doing it for such a long time. This is what they do. It's kind of hard to take that. So when you got to have levels of consistency of doing it for a while of just pancake and people knowing nobody's coming in there. And then when you get that offensive lineman Ranking in 100, then it's kind of like you, it's like a badge of honor. Like they know you know what you're getting. So this dude is kind of automatically in there until you get taken out.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. Facts, facts. And the last that they had on the list is Jamal Dean Newley. A corner that we had.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, sir.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Like real talk. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Now we strapping. Now we're strapping.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah. I think, I think they had him as the best corner coverage last year at Pro Football Focus.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He ever. I think he graded third highest in all of all cornerbacks. Passer rating, pressure rating allowed of 47.7. That was lower than the nephew. His completion rate allowed 42.1. Our Lord and nephew, like dude, we strapping, brother.

[Joe Hayden]

We're strapping. We need these dudes. And they tackle. They're not afraid to hit. They not getting any pass interference, man.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

6, 1, 2, 10, 2, 14. The other one about 6, 4, 2, 25, 2, 30.

[Joe Hayden]

You got. Then you got Jalen Ramsey. Come on, bro. Like, then we got.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Y' all go ahead and y'. All. They keep that ball in that secondary like that.

[Joe Hayden]

Keep on trying to figure out once these dudes line it up and we get the communication going, once we line

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

it up and we get what we have right now, which is a group of coaches that are going to consistently coach and give you the same thing from A to B to Z, all the way down, same language. Want to teach the same thing, speak the same language, be on the same page and have a actual sound defense where you realize it's one weakness in your defense and you don't try and cover that up. You accept it. Yeah. Tackle the catch and keep going.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Can't protect against everything. Once you try and protect against the one weakness in something, you create three or four more.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep, yep.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

We go get back to where it was, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

We got to. Because the thing is, Debo, we got the players. We have the players that have them. We have the players on the roster. They are there. So it's not like we're lacking. We've seen them do it, and they've done it before. So we just need our players to go out here and ball. And when we're saying not to do anything out of your body, we're not asking you to do anything extra. Do your job, your job is going to be perfectly fine. Because when we have 11 people doing that and we got some people that do better at their job than others, we got players that are going to make plays at their job. Sometimes it's not coming to you, but it's going to happen. So I think everybody's just doing what they got to do, bro. It's going to work out perfectly for our defense.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Big fast Joe. Big fast Joe. What was your highest ranking in the top 100 when you played, though?

[Joe Hayden]

23. Oh, come on, man. 3. Hey, that ain't bad.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, that's your number.

[Joe Hayden]

That's my number.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They put forward for a show. For a show. For a show. Joe, how many times was you in it, though? How many times was you in the top 100? Oh, done froze again.

[Joe Hayden]

So. But I'm back. But I'm back.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

But I'm back. But I'm back. Got to be look, it's a thought. It's a. It's a thunderstorm. It was a tornado yesterday. Knocked down.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Hayden]

Everything. And now we got a thunderstorm going live. Live thunderstorm. It's literally debo.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Literally.

[Joe Hayden]

My. My WI fi's going in and out because.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Ain't all your stuff underground?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, I'm on WI fi. I need to. I need to get wired. I need to be hardwired. That's what I realized.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Don't you got files or video? What's the other thing called? Thunder stick or something? I don't know. What the hell is it?

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no, no. I don't got none of that. I just got strictly WI fi. I just got strictly WI fi. I don't even. I don't even do that. The TV stuff. Like, I don't have, like, no Comcast. None of that. I'm straight apps. Straight WI fi.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I know, Joseph, but what's the. What's the thing where you. It's supposed to be fast, and you just. I don't know what it is. You ain't gotta hear.

[Joe Hayden]

You talking about something. I think you sound like. You talking about the power. The. The. The fire stick.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You sound like a fire stick, man. That's that thing that you plug into your tv, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, that's what I thought you was talking about. You try to get legal channels?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, I ain't trying to get no illegal channels. Anyway, I'll talk to you about that later. Fiber optic.

[Joe Hayden]

I need fiber optics.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

That were fiber optics. That's what it is. I need fiber optics.

[Joe Hayden]

I need something to get my WI fi better. Fiber optics.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Joe. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, hey, Joe, your WI fi didn't cut out more than me. Remember when we first started? They were like, oh, Joe, your WI fi is so good. It's so great. And then it was like, james, you need to upgrade yours.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You was laughing and all that. You need to call them because I ain't did nothing to mine, boy.

[Joe Hayden]

I need to. My WI Fi. I need to get it better. I need to. Hold on. Put a fiber in the ground. Okay. Yeah, I need the hardwire.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I need to hardwire it or something.

[Joe Hayden]

Fiber in the ground. What is the fiber? Or Starlink. Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hell no. Don't do starling, bro. Start link. That's the satellite stuff, bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Brother, I'm gonna tell you something.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Cost you. Oh, you got the money? I'm tripping. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm tripping.

[Joe Hayden]

BIOS is available.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Hey, Listen, Joe, if I had the money, I'd be Starlinking. I'd be startling.

[Joe Hayden]

You'd be Starlinking.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

You got it.

[Joe Hayden]

That's the best.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, what's gonna get in the way?

[Joe Hayden]

What?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Not a plane.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Fly through or whatever. It's supposed to cut through the clouds and all that, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I don't know. I guess hardwired might be the best, but who knows? A satellite. I can't go wrong. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. Hardwired, satellite. I don't know.

[Joe Hayden]

I need something, bro, because this right here, I've been trying to get the good. I told. I paid for the WI fi. WI fi. I got the little extra. Extra things to poster. Pick it up when it's. I think they trick me.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

They say, hey, Joe. They said, hey, that's Joe Hayden.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, that's Joe Hayden. Look at him. He don't care. He don't know. He don't know.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

He got it. Hey, let's get it. He got it.

[Joe Hayden]

I got it.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Joe. Joe, we giving you three. Three gigs of Wi Fi. It's gonna be $569,000. That's why I looked and I ain't bought that.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why I'm still. I'm jakey.

[Tab Ramos]

Look.

[Joe Hayden]

So look, I'm gonna look up. I gotta look up fiber, Starlink and fios.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Look up, look up fiber. Fiber, Starlink. Fiber optics. Yeah. Starling, I don't know. I don't. I ain't gonna lie. I don't need to worry about that because, you know, my stuff do what it do. Crystal clear. What I got.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, yeah. What you got?

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

I got. I got. I don't know what I got, but I know what I got, people.

[Joe Hayden]

You jankies.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Listen, what is it? I don't know what it is. It might be. Is it. Is it. Is it Comcast? Okay. No, I don't think it is.

[Joe Hayden]

Are you.

[Nissan Representative]

Are you.

[Joe Hayden]

Do you have. Do you have cable in your house? Are you hardwired to a cable system or.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

No, no, I'm. I'm like you.

[Joe Hayden]

I got. I'm amped up.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, I'm mapped up.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. I'm mapped up all.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, I'm WI fi'd up.

[Joe Hayden]

Hulu Prime, Apple.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything. Everything I do, I gotta hook to the WI fi. You know what I'm saying? Hey, listen, we need a WI FI sponsor now. Hey, listen, holla at your boy Joe. We need a WI FI sponsor. Because that's wi fi Is. Is dark. Is. Is garbage. Like chat tax and wi fi companies. Tell them, Joe need help. We need help. We going. We down bad in these streets. Well, Joe ain't really down bad. He just down bad because he just. You don't know what, what.

[Joe Hayden]

Because it's a thunderstorm or something outside.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

Thunderstorm outside.

[Joe Hayden]

And it was a tornado yesterday.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

This is Pittsburgh, man. The thunder and storm all day, man. I don't see. I don't see no sun for seven, eight, nine months. I. I'm fighting for my life, Joe. Ah, all right, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I'mma get. I'mma get right. I'mma get right. This is. This is unacceptable behavior. This is unacceptable.

[James 'Debo' Harrison]

This is unacceptable behavior.

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