Nightcap Hour 1: Portugal SNEAKS PAST Croatia + Spain CRUISES Over Austria + Jaylen Brown ADDRESSES TRADE From Celtics

Summary

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Nightcap Hour 1: Portugal SNEAKS PAST Croatia + Spain CRUISES Over Austria + Jaylen Brown ADDRESSES TRADE From Celtics

Host(s): Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, Joe Johnson
Date: July 3, 2026
Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)

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Episode Overview

In this lively Nightcap episode, Shannon Sharpe, Ochocinco, and Joe Johnson react instantly to major international soccer results—Portugal’s dramatic win over Croatia and Spain’s dominant victory over Austria—while unpacking the dynamics of the World Cup knockout rounds. The trio also dives deep into Jaylen Brown’s public comments about his trade from the Boston Celtics to the Philadelphia 76ers, the role of anonymous sources in sports media, and the evolving expectations for athlete activism and personal branding.

Their discussion blends humor, honest storytelling, and hard-earned player perspective, making this a must-listen for sports fans wanting both breakdowns of big games and unfiltered, thoughtful opinions on NBA player movement and athlete empowerment.

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Main Segments & Highlights

1. Portugal vs. Croatia: Late Drama & Critical Analysis

[05:54 – 17:00]

• Recap of Match Events

  • Portugal secures a 2-1 victory over Croatia with a stoppage-time goal. Croatia's would-be equalizer is ruled offside after VAR review.
  • Portugal advances to face Spain in the Round of 16.

• Analyst Impressions – Portugal’s Performance

  • Joe Johnson: “They're not giving me like, oh, my goodness, Portugal looks really good. They have a chance to win this tournament.” [07:52]
    • Critiques Portugal for a lack of urgency and attacking intent: “They're too timid… just waiting on something to happen.”
    • Questions whether what’s seen from Spain and France is missing in this Portugal side.
  • Ochocinco: Even as a newer soccer viewer, wants “to see goals” and excitement, and was confused by the late offside call, prompting Joe to explain the rule. [08:46]
    • Quote: “Did Croatia get cheated? Because I don't understand the offside part...” [08:55]
  • Shannon Sharpe: “It have been very, very interesting if they had to go to extra time, what would have happened in this game.” [10:05]
    • Acknowledges heartbreak for Croatia’s veterans possibly playing their last World Cup.

• On Cristiano Ronaldo's Evolution

  • Sharpe & Joe Johnson debate whether Ronaldo’s lower stats reflect age, team tactics, or role change:
    • Joe Johnson: “He used to have the ball at his feet all the time… now because he's older, he can't move the same way he used to.” [13:07 – 13:10]
    • Sharpe: “He can't do what those guys do now because of his age.” [13:13]
  • Notable Quote: “Sports is a young man's game. Eventually you age out of it, no matter how well intended, how sharp your mind is. That mind and that body, those muscles…” – Shannon Sharpe [15:11]

• Candid Reflections on Aging (Athletes & Personal)

  • All three swap stories about working out and staying fit as pro athletes age:
    • “As we age, the workouts that we used to do, it don't do the same for us… And that's why athletes at a very, very high level, that's why they say training is the most important thing. They don't take any time off…” – Shannon Sharpe [16:00]
    • Ochocinco: “The reason why we say age is because we just don't have the energy that we used to have when we were 20, 25, 30 years old…” [15:41]

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2. Spain vs. Austria: Spain Shows Their Class

[22:57 – 25:47]

• Spain Dominates Austria 3-0

  • Spain’s complete performance highlighted with stats: 64% possession, 10 shots on goal, 91% passing accuracy.
  • Key players mentioned: Mikel Oyarzabal’s brace, Alejandro Grimaldo in the buildup.

• What Makes Spain ‘The Team to Beat’?

  • Joe Johnson: “Spain is so good in all three phases of the game… This is what I'm expecting from Portugal.” [23:22 & 24:10]
  • Shannon Sharpe: “When you say dominated, they dominated.” [24:28]
  • Both stress that Spain never played down to their opponent’s level—a lesson for Portugal.

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3. The Unforgiving Nature of Tournament Soccer

[26:06 – 28:55]

• On World Cup Pressure and Heartbreak:
  • Sharpe: “It gets even more painful the further you go... you gotta wait four years. A lot of times you'd have aged out.” [26:06]
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “Mbappé won his World Cup in 2018 at 19 years old.” – Joe Johnson [27:05]
    • “It takes a lot of discipline, bro... to do it as a youngster and then as an adult, that's tough.” – Ochocinco [28:44]

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4. Jaylen Brown Addresses Celtics Trade & Player Voice

[30:46 – 55:40]

• Brown Publicly Explains His Side of the Celtics Trade

  • Clip of Jaylen Brown: Expresses disappointment in lack of respect and transparency from Boston GM Brad Stevens during trade talks, wishing for “an explanation.” [31:01]
    • “I thought I earned respect enough to get that explanation. But hey, obviously I was wrong... I wish that my integrity and character having been attacked so much during this whole process...” – Jaylen Brown [31:01 – 32:14]

• Critique of 'Anonymous Sources' in NBA Media

  • “I'm tired of these damn anonymous sources… If not, y’all shouldn't even say it if it’s something that’s this ridiculous...” – Jaylen Brown [32:19]
  • “They use anonymous sources to hide behind how they actually feel or ... to hide behind things that are ... examples of bigotry.” [32:38]
  • Sharpe’s Reaction: Outlines pros and cons of anonymous sourcing, invoking journalism history (Watergate, whistleblowers): “You can't pick and choose. I want this anonymous source, but I don't want that anonymous source...” [42:25]
    • Notable Quote: “Don't get mad at the source... It's always true to it every time.” – Joe Johnson [44:30]

• The Celtics’ Calculus: Business Over Sentiment

  • Sharpe: “They value Jason Tatum more than they value you... It’s really that simple, Ocho. Because guess what? If you got two guys that's making $300 million on a contract... it was never gonna happen.” [34:24]
  • Team’s wariness around outspoken but high-performing players addressed:
    • Joe Johnson: “We have a player that is really good, that get paid a lot of money, and we can't control him... that's why they're choosing JT instead of JB, because he's safer.” [37:07]

• Athlete Activism, Personal Branding, and Media Control

  • Brown on Podcasting: “I did this as a way to ... tell your own stories and, and show up and let people know who you are and what you got going on.” [49:43]
  • Sharpe/Joe: Debate whether athlete media efforts can compete with “the machine”—established sports outlets.
    • Joe Johnson: “We never see someone like this be able to go at the machine.” [51:59]
    • “To be able to go at the machine, okay, Ocho, you got to be doing your damn thing.” – Ochocinco [52:09]

• On Perceptions of 'Smart' Black Athletes

  • Sharpe: “Just because he's well-educated, he's well-informed... I'm supposed to dumb myself down to make you feel better about yourself? I'm who I am.” [44:33]
  • Discussion of how 'articulate' is often code for 'unexpected intelligence' among Black athletes: “Have you ever heard one of them say that to another one of them?” [46:05]

• Control, Player Narratives & Double Standards

  • The panel unpacks why, once traded or departed, negative stories about a star suddenly surge.
    • “Why didn’t we hear some of this about him not getting along with teammates before they traded him?” – Shannon Sharpe [55:24]
    • “They always saying X, Y, and Z, and he's nothing like that.” [59:57]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Aging in Sports:

  • “Sports is a young man's game. Eventually you age out of it, no matter how well intended, how sharp your mind is.”
    – Shannon Sharpe [15:11]

• On Portugal’s Play Style:

  • “They don't have very many chances on ball. They're supposed to be supposedly have one...of the best midfields in the game. ...They don't dictate the way they do.”
    – Joe Johnson [07:52]

• On Jaylen Brown and The Celtics:

  • “I thought I earned respect enough to get that explanation. But hey, obviously I was wrong.”
    – Jaylen Brown [31:01]
  • “We have a player that is really good, that get paid a lot of money, and we can't control him. ... That makes them uncomfortable.”
    – Joe Johnson [37:07]
  • "Owners have convinced their fan base that loyalty is a one way street.”
    – Shannon Sharpe [57:41]

• On Anonymous Sources:

  • “We got to stop with the anonymous sources... They use anonymous sources to hide behind how they actually feel or ... things that are... examples of bigotry.”
    – Jaylen Brown [32:19, 32:38]
  • “You can't pick and choose. I want this anonymous source, but I don't want that anonymous source...”
    – Shannon Sharpe [42:25]

• On Athlete-Driven Media:

  • “Cut the middleman out... linear television, media, talking pundits, analysts… you’re not going to be able to control the narrative.”
    – Joe Johnson [50:34]

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Timeline & Timestamps of Key Discussion Points

| Timestamp | Topic | |--------------------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 05:54 – 17:00 | Portugal edges Croatia, late drama, Ronaldo analysis | | 17:00 – 22:57 | Aging in sports, athlete workout/fitness discussion | | 22:57 – 25:47 | Spain’s dominance over Austria, team comparisons | | 25:47 – 28:55 | The do-or-die nature of tournament soccer | | 30:46 – 55:40 | Jaylen Brown’s trade saga, media, and player activism | | 55:40 – 64:21 | Player voice, Black athlete stereotypes, loyalty |

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Summary & Takeaways

Soccer Reactions: The hosts dissect the major moments from Portugal’s close win and Spain’s impressive performance, using them as jumping-off points for nuanced conversation about aging, tactics, and star legacy.

Player Power: The episode’s second half pivots to a profound commentary on how athletes like Jaylen Brown are finding their voices, disrupting the media narrative, and challenging organizational power—while facing the business realities (salary cap decisions, narrative control, reputational risk) of pro sports.

Loyalty & Identity: Sharpe, Ochocinco, and Johnson blend personal anecdotes and league history, especially regarding racial expectations, the weight of athlete advocacy, and the myth of organizational loyalty in sports.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This Nightcap is an energetic, honest window into the intersection of sports results, athlete legacy, and media power—anchored by hosts who have lived it all. It offers tactical breakdowns, insights into aging and performance, sharp NBA trade analysis, and a powerful dialogue about the new era of athlete empowerment and the friction it causes in legacy institutions. If you want instant reactions to big games and an inside-the-locker-room feel for the NBA’s evolutionary moment, this episode delivers.

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Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Round of 16.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe Johnson]

I mean, they were okay. They're not. They're not giving me like, oh, my goodness, Portugal looks really good. They have a chance to win this tournament. Obviously, I want Cristiano to win his. Win his World cup trophy, but if you look at Spain, Uncle Joe, if you watch France, like, if you look at some of these other teams, something about their energy and the way they move the ball and the way they play it just look. Yeah, Portugal just looks. It looks so lackadaisical. They don't have very many chances on ball. They're supposed to be supposedly have one. The. One of the best midfields in the game. Punk and Joe. And they. They don't. They don't. They don't dictate the way they do. They don't attack the way they should. They're. They're too. Too timid, you know, in the way they play. Just waiting on something to happen. And obviously, I don't know. And they barely got back Croatia. Now they got to play Spain. Oh, my.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, man, listen. Hey. Okay, Ocho. For a guy who hadn't really been watching soccer, bro. Hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This.

[Chad Ochocinco]

This World cup has been very entertaining. It's been very exciting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because I want to see goals. I want to see the ball in the back of the damn net at the end of the day.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what I mean? Hey, and when I watch these games, I'm like, damn, they crush the cross. Did Croatia get cheated? Because I don't understand the all size part because I thought we had a hell of a game. I'm like, what happened?

[Joe Johnson]

N, N, N. Hey, Joe, you can't

[Chad Ochocinco]

cherry pick, so you got to cross the.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no, you. You have a defensive line, right? Like, let's say Portugal, you have four defenders in the back. With those four defenders in the back. Croatia can't be behind those defenders. You have to be even or in front of those defenders. So you got to time it. If you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If.

[Joe Johnson]

Let's say, if you want to. You want. Let's say a fast break. If you want to make a run, you have to time it from the guy kicking the ball, but you got to be even with the defenders. You can't be behind them. Cherry picking like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That.

[Joe Johnson]

That's cheating in a sense. It's like you going transition right on the fast break and somebody on the other team, they just stay on the other. On the other side of the goal and wait for. To get the rebound. They just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I got you. I got you. I understand. I understand. Hey, but listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's been fun to watch your boy Ronaldo and that boy, he's some type of specimen, ain't it? That boy is rocked up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. I'm saying he finally.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He finally got him a goal. This was. Had they lost this game, Mocho, this would have been terrible. This would have been awful for them. They were able to pull it out. They got, you know, the Croatian team, they got to go early in the second half, and then Ronaldo got the equalizer, and then latent stoppage time. They get the goal. Croatia thinks they tied it up, but as oo, as you mentioned, he was offsides. It have been very, very interesting if they had to go to extra time, what would have happened in this game. But you can see the disappointment on the Croatian's face because obviously, you know, some of them, this is the last time they're going to be in the World Cup. You don't know if and when you're going to get back. And like you said, some of them, they're not coming back.

[Joe Johnson]

No, it was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was. It was a very exciting game. What we thought it would be. I mean, everybody. All the eyes were on Ronaldo. They want to see, because it's been a great look. Think about it. Ronaldo has. Excuse me. Messi has six goals. Mbappe has six goals. Holland has five goals. Kane has five goals. Scoring has been on a monumental level from the. From the stars. You know, that's what you want to see. Oo. You want to see Joe, you know, hey, NBA playoffs. Let my star shine. Let Face shine. Let y shine. Let Wimy and Brunson and these guys, let them shine. That's what we want to see. And in this World cup, we absolutely. With the exception of Yoga. What you mean Ronaldo, he been scoring, man. That little two, little two, three.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, but. Hey, hey, you. Hey, listen. You have to understand, man. Listen. He's in a different position than all the other players that are scoring at a high clip. Holland scoring at a high clip because of his team facilitating to him. Messi is Messi, Joe. He got the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He like. He liked the pg.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He liked the pg. He got the rock in his hand.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, and you know what? And when he don't got it, all he got, all he do is walk around. Walk around, relax. When the ball come to him, boom. I call Messi Uncle Joe. Messi is the master of moments, because that's what the World cup is all about. It's about capitalizing on those moments. You don't get that many of them, but when he does get them. Oh, he putting that ball in the back of the net.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The question is, you said, oh, putting those guys is. At his age.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Could Ronaldo still do it, what these guys are doing, if he was put in position? Because from what I've heard and from what I've read, seem to play better when he's not out there?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. In general, obviously, he plays the nine, and the nine. Joe would be similar to. In basketball terms, it would be the center. So everyone could do whatever they need to do on the outside. All Ronaldo's job is to do is to be able to shift with the team, in which.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. In certain moments, you make your runs. He really has no effect on anybody else. He's the last option anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why is that? Had that ever crossed your mind? Why is he not what he. What? Messy. What Messy. And Holland and Mbappe. Because once upon a time, he was.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Because he played on the wing, Unc. He was a winger. Listen to me. He used to have the ball at his feet all the time, where he can dictate the game and dictate the pace of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why isn't he. Why isn't the ball on his foot anym more?

[Joe Johnson]

Because he's older and he can't move the same way he used to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wanted you to say that's it. He can't do what those guys do now because of his age.

[Joe Johnson]

I know, but he. Yeah, I know that. But you can't compare to Messi because they never played the same position.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he doesn't have the ball, okay?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, no, no. He has to be like, oh, Holland's a striker. But you got to remember. You got to remember Holland is young and Bobby is young.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's my Ocho. Instead of you just saying that, just say he can't do that anymore. You keep making excuses. He don'. Have the ball. He doesn't have the ball because of his age.

[Joe Johnson]

I didn't. I didn't. I'm not making an excuse, and you're not gonna sit here and say he can't do it. But obviously, if you put him in position like those other players that put in position, he'll be able to do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why they put him in position if this is the World Cup.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I. I got something for you. Huh? Let me. I got something for you. Right now, let's say your best year in Denver, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Take your best year in Denver and they put another player in your position and they feeding the ball and he do the same thing you doing.

[Tab Ramos]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

Does that mean you can't. Does that mean you can't do it no more or you're not getting the same opportunity as everybody else?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I couldn't in 2002 and 2003. I couldn't do what I did in 96 and 97. I wasn't fitting food on folks. And instead of you just said, ronaldo can't do right now what he wants, could you keep saying, well, why don't they put him in position because this is the World Cup.

[Joe Johnson]

I know. I didn't say put him in position because they can't put him in position. He's playing the only position he can play at his age right now. That's the one that best suits him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, that wasn't so hard, wasn't it?

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Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, uncle, he got, he got to play tonight. I'm just being honest with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all Joe and I wanted.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We know. That's Osho mans. We know he gonna back his man's now. He got a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, come on, man.

[Tab Ramos]

Come on.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, I have a great, I have a great understanding of the game. And at his age, he can't do what he used to do. I know that, but I'm just saying the midfield that he does have, it's so good. And if they were a little bit more aggressive in their attacking, I think you would have more chances. That's all. That's all I'm saying. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I think, you know, and the thing is, like you said, sports is a young man's game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Eventually you age out of it, no matter how well intended, how sharp your mind is. That mind and that body, those muscles.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on. Don't, don't, don't, don't tell, don't, don't tell me that. You know, I'm. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm about self preservation, you know, I'm trying to preserve myself. Don't tell me I can't. Listen, I may be a step slower than what I used to be. Okay? All right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Why are you a step slower?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, obviously age, but I got things that. Listen, but listen, but listen. The reason why we say age is because we just don't have the energy that we used to have when we were 20, 25, 30 years old, meaning we go work out every Damn day. We won't take a day off now. Hell, we. We. Hey, we trying to find a reason to work out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Work out too hard. I might have to take two days off. Well, you better get on these bars, man. I got these mars being attacked. Because the problem is, as we start to age, the workouts that we used to do, it don't do the same for us. Yeah, it does. It just doesn't. And so. And that was the thing. I'm like, okay, I used to go in there and like, damn, man, I can't even do this no more. It takes you more and takes and take. But see, that's how you grow. That's how you get bigger. That's how you get stronger is because you're able to do the workout. And guess what? You go right back and do it again tomorrow. And you go right back and do it again tomorrow. And you do it again tomorrow. Is that when you take that time off? That's why athletes at a very, very high level, that's why they say training is the most important thing. They don't take any time off, right? Because take one day off, it takes you two days to get back. You take three days off, it takes you a week to get back. You take a week off, it takes you two, three weeks to get back. So you can't take that kind of time off. That's what age does to you. The mind is willing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The body say, hey, the thing is, hell, we. We take time off training, but we still eating the same. That's why you still see a lot of these cats swollen up, you know, as. As we age, and they not as active. Yeah, you gotta push away from that table a little bit too now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. But, hey, I sure wish I swell up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you don't. If you don't work out the same, you can do the same. And a lot of times you got to work. You got to work out harder and eat less. Or sometimes you got to do as you age. Sometimes people like, okay, I'm gonna work out harder, so I can.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But as you age, okay, Ocho, Y' all know hell. Cause y' all still work out at y' all age. Man, listen, it's harder as you age. Hell, it's hard. It's harder, like, to. To really. To. To really have a nice, fit, tone body when you up in your 40s and you see that, bro. Hey, man, that man doing something different, bro. I'm just keeping 100.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, thank you, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm just keeping 100. Yeah, I'm gonna keep it 100, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

I appreciate it. Hey, I'm glad you noticed my hard work.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it is. It is hard work. And those who, those who you know are. Have physiques like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait till y' all hit 50. I can't wait till y' all hit 50. I mean, I think that's low now. Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

My yogis in the chat, man. Hey, we yogis for life, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, we being.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But we ain't gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's a different type. That's a different type of body, Joe, because your body, you never really want to have too much muscle because you need to shoot the ball. The difference is, is that me. I mean, I. I look, man, I look sick. I look bad. Shop, man, shop. Walk around this thing like patient zero. Yeah. Hey, I gotta have some to my muscle, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

No, hey, I. I wanted. My baby's watching right now. She's at her birthday dinner. Shade, I'm gonna wish you a happy birthday. I love you. I. I came. I couldn't stay. Obviously, I had to come work with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Which one? Who's this?

[Joe Johnson]

It's her birthday right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Happy birthday, Shade.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

Happy birthday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They drinking up a store. They drinking up a storm right now.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, that's it. I just want to do that. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you got grown ass kids, boy. You at.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All my kids grown. Yeah. 23.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe, my kids. I mean, Joe, my kids in their 30s.

[Joe Johnson]

I got 28. I got 28.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yo. Hey, hey,

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right now I'm out here with these Damn adolescents at 1912. Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I got. I got started. I got started at a young age. I got started at a young age. But, yeah, that's. That's the thing. That's the thing. Look, and. And as you get older, you start to slow, and you can't work out with the same. You can't work out with the same intensity or the duration.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or you break your body down and then the last thing you want to do as you start to age is getting injured. That's the worst feeling in the world, is to get injured.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, the problem is because you're like, nah, that makes. You don't even want to work. The problem is, Uncle Ocho, you got people who take six months to a year off and then they jump back in the gym going full throttle. Hell, yeah. You're gonna hurt something. You better ease your way into that, man. You can't just jump out there going full throttle. You see your home girl or your Homeboy up here doing CrossFit damn workouts. And you think you finna try and do that, you gonna hurt. You gonna hurt yourself. That's how it's gonna happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta go real easy. You need, you need doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You might want to start with some swimming, get in the hot tub, then go get in the pool, swim laps. I'm keeping real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure. But that's, but that's the thing. And I tell people, they, like, man, I said, well, when was the last time that you worked out? Man, I ain't worked out in years. But you want.

[Chad Ochocinco]

This ain't gonna happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give yourself the same amount of time that you put this weight on. Give yourself the same amount of time to take it off. I don't know why you think, you think that you can take a year off, two years off middle do little or nothing and then come back in two months and be, man, what happened? You know what happened. And you still eat the same.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the biggest thing we have with our athletes, is that you work when you, when you play in football and you running like we like and training like we're training guys, man, I can eat whatever. I can eat a whole damn cow. It wouldn't gain no weight now. And plus, it's different, It's a different mentality what I have now because I sent my alarm to get up and work out in the morning, man, my alarm go off.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, I, I, I, I, I don't, I don't know, I don't know why. And Joe, I probably, I would love to try. I haven't hit that, that, that, that point yet. Who is that barking that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Teddy Thanos.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. I haven't hit that point yet where the body is deteriorated. I'm still, I'm still consistent when it comes to working out. Yeah, but Joe, I just can't, I can't get as big as I want to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, that sometimes, man, just stay a little wiry strong, man. You got people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I try to tell him. He not built the big business.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's people out here trying to. There's. Damn this Put their life on the line and lose some weight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know, Joe. I just, I just want to fill out my clothes the right way, Joe, that's all, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you're gonna be a fan. You're gonna be a fan.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You're gonna have to keep ordering them extra smalls you wearing over there just to make yourself look big. I understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It, it's okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, Joe, I. I wear a lot now. Joe, I can fill out a large real good now. I'm just saying I want to fill out an extra now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You buy a good meat, you better like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The only thing large I can get into is a fry. That's the only thing large I can get into. Ain't no large.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, it's X or double X, depending on who made it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Ojo, ain't no. He won't have them problem. It's okay, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I'm trying, man. I'm trying. Hey, at some point. Listen, at some point, you know, they say as you get older, you know, you start to wait on. You know, I don't know when it's gonna start for me, but I'm waiting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Spain coast by Oscar behind Mikhail Ola Zabo. Spain made it look Easy over Austria 3 0. Jason kid out there setting up Ola Ola Zabo twice, including the perfectly weighted pass in the 36 minutes and late 89th minutes to finish the game off. Pedro Porto had a national goal in the second half to help seal the win. Oo.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Spain.

[Joe Johnson]

The team to beat Spain at Spain is one amongst Spain is one of them. It's going to be Spain. I'm talking about the top dogs, especially with the way they playing. Spain is so good in all three phases of the game. Obviously inside the 18, Joe, that would be inside the box, like for basketball in the paint. So when they. When they. And there they get. They get that ball to moving around, especially with. With Lamina Mall and his creativity and his vision and being able to see the game. He does. They're really good, Joe. You know, and Spain is exciting. And what we saw today, what we've seen from Spain, every game outside of the first one that they played. This is what I'm expecting from Portugal. This is what I'm expecting playing against team that inferior. I'm not saying Croatia is inferior, but I'm just saying as we get further into the tournament, you need to show up and you need to look like this when you're playing in teams.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mean Austria?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Spain played Austria and they dominated.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm saying this is what I want Portugal to look like. I want Portugal to look like the

[Shannon Sharpe]

way Spain looked against Austria when they were. When Portugal was playing Croatia.

[Joe Johnson]

Bingo. That's. That's. That's what I want. That's what I want. But in Spain. Spain is nice, Joe. They explain Spain is nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I mean, when you say dominated, they dominated 2.80 expect to go versus 0.32. 64 of the possessions won 10 shots on goal. Three big chances created five accurate passes. 91. 57053 duels won the versus 30 files committed. Spain only had eight files committed. Austria had 15. And Austria had six saves. Unfortunately, they needed. They needed nine. Thanos stop, boy. Yeah, but they look, they. They were in control of this game. At no point in time did I think Oscar was going to win this game. At no point in time during this match that I think they were going to win. Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

No, not. Not a chance. I mean, before the game even started. I mean, you know, Dracula told you would have been a tough time for Austria in general. But I like when a team like Spain doesn't play down opponent. Yes, we're not going to play down to the opponent that we have. Which is one of the issues that some of the. Some of the better teams like a Portugal. I'm gonna keep saying them purposely because that's who I want to actually win the World Cup. They play down to the competition. Spain coming out. They putting. They putting their neck. They putting their neck.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn. I can't you think portrait gonna make

[Shannon Sharpe]

it that far ojo Spain on Monday.

[Joe Johnson]

And listen, you're gonna. You're gonna see the difference. Joe, when they, when they play Spain, they don't have no choice but to get it together. They. You don't have no choice or they gonna. They gonna embarrass you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, look, one game, partner.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah, whatever team one day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I. I just don't know. Obviously, you know, it gets even more painful the further you go. And that's as far as you go because you're like, man, we was two matches away from the World cup final. We was one match away from the World cup final. It gets more painful. So just imagine once you get to the World cup final and you lose, can you imagine what Mbappe feel last time the French team felt.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, having to wait another four years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's that. And that's what the Olympics. That's why. That's why it's so hard. It ain't comes around every four years. You get most sports. Hey, every year we get an opportunity. Super Bowl, World Series, the NBA Finals, whatever the case may be the Stanley Cup. Yeah, I gotta wait four years. A lot of times you'd have aged out. I might be in my prime. Don't get it done. And then the next time when the next series come around, I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm phased out. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And you Know, you know, it's so funny. Mbappe won his World cup in 2018 at 19 years old.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, he already, he already got one. So the monkeys off his back already. So anything, anything after that is, Is. Is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And it gives you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It gives you that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It gives you the same excitement that you get when you watch the NCAA tournament or the NFL, you know, playoffs, because it's just that one game. So you gotta just think about it, though. It ain't really just that one game, because if you continue to advance, man, you got to play at such a high level. You got to P's and Q's every game. That's the hard part. Being consistent, trying to duplicate, duplicate great play, play after play. That's hard, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it is. And the thing is, you say he wanted at 19 at night, 19 and Pele wanted at 17. They want it back to back. But see, here's the thing. Now we know who Mbappe is now your prodigy. He didn't really have the same level of expectations as a 19 year old as he does now as a 26, 27 year old. So now you feel it, the weight. You see guys that, you see people have success. Think about all these swimmers, and we see these young track and these young swimmers mainly swimming, they winning gold medal, 15, and then all of a sudden, poof, gone. That's why you, you, you, you appreciate what Michael Phelps did, you appreciate what Katie Ledecky, because not only did they win as teenage prodigies, and here they are keeping that thing going. Now I'm 20, now I'm 24, and I'm still doing it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Take a lot of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then some guys come on the scene and then have that one great. Create that great moment, like we said, and then we boom.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It takes a lot of discipline, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like to do it as a, as a youngster and then as an adult, that's tough. That's child, that's challenges.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And to have that same hunger. Yeah, I mean, think about it. I mean, any great Tom Brady had the same desire at 23 that he had at 45, right? But he just realized, damn, my damn body. And he said that I could still play. I don't know how many hits he want to take. That's the thing. Because your body don't recover the same when you get older. Don't let nobody tell you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, they don't. They don't. They don't. But I think Tom had a, you know, up in age, he had a different point of view. Like he had different Things that kind of fuel him. Whether it was leaving under, under Belichick's wing, you know, and wanted to win a title without Belichick. I thought that he really took that to heart and he set out to do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But the thing is, and I said this the other night, you never, you never outgrow your draft status. Because what they say about Tom, he was a sixth round draft pick, he won all those super bowls, all those MVPs. What did they say he was? Six round draft pick. Nikola Jokic, he won those MVPs. Many people consider him, what are they? A second round draft pick. So you never, if you a first pick, you're the number one overall pick and you don't have success. That was your cause. If, now, if you go 13 and you don't have success, that's not the same as going number one overall and not having success.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you will never be able to out no matter what you do. They're going to refer back to it. Tom Brady is a 6 round pick. What did they say? Shannon Sharp was a seven round pick and made it to the hall of Fame. Well, damn, I didn't make it to the hall of Fame because I'm still around pick out pretty damn good. Damn. They just didn't say, you know what, we got to reach a quota so we got to have so many seventh round picks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it'll work like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right guys. Jaylen Brown took the twitch to address the trade. Philly, Boston and anonymous sources. We have all four sound bites so we can provide context. Because we like to provide context. Here's Jaylen Brown on Brad Stevens and Boston.

[Jaylen Brown]

Message was received. I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't thrilled with the amount of respect that was showed during this process. You know, I think there was a bit of a lack of respect. I think it was fine at one point and then out of nowhere things just kind of went left. You know, I think Brad is probably getting a lot of the criticism. I wasn't thrilled the way he facilitated some of the conversations, but I definitely think there's more to it, Chad. There's definitely more to it. I just wish that the more to it could have been explained to me because if the more to it was explained, I think I would have understood. I thought I earned respect enough to get that explanation. But hey, obviously I was wrong. Hey, but that's life. We move on. One thing I wish in this whole process, and it's good to get it out the way so we can move Forward. I wish that my integrity and character having been attacked so much during this whole process.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here's Jaylen Brown on anonymous sources.

[Jaylen Brown]

I could stand up for myself, which I've been doing. You know, I feel like that's a narrative that people have been using for a long time to try to attack me and my character. I could rebuttal, but what I really want to say to this is we got to stop with the anonymous. We got to stop with the anonymous sources chat. Like, I'm tired of these damn anonymous sources. He's like, anonymous executive, anonymous source. Colin Coward, Bobby Marks, Stephen A. Smith. Anonymous sources are saying anything. I think y' all are the sources. And if not, y' all shouldn't even say it if it's something that's this ridiculous. But we gotta stop, like, at one point is. I mean, this is a part of the reason why I started streaming in the first place, because they use anonymous sources to hide behind how they actually feel or to hide behind things that could be controversial or to hide behind things that are, you know, are examples of bigotry. So this is an example of one. But this is not the first time Stephen A. Smith said the same thing a couple years ago. He was like, it's not me. It's. It's. This is our anonymous source. And Bobby Mark said the same. It's not me. It's my anonymous source. Colin Cower said the same thing. It's not me. It's my anonymous source. But they don't see how much damage that can do. And now I gotta answer questions to, like, my character and being entitled. This is my life. Keep it basketball. Nobody has a problem. People think I have a problem with people critiquing my performance. Critique my performance all you want, but the line gets crossed. And then they want to act like the line doesn't get crossed. The line is being crossed here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, let's take. Before we go any further, let's take the first one where he says when. When with the Brad Stevens situation, he thought. He thought he had earned and played well enough to get a respect and be offered an explanation. I got a simple explanation that we're not going to play two guys to the end of their contracts. $300 million a piece. They value Jason Tatum more than they value you, Joe. It's really. It is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's really that simple, Ocho. Because guess what? If you got two guys that's making $300 million on a contract and they're one year apart and they both play well what are they expecting, their next contract? 400 million? So you want me to have $800 million tied up in two guys? It was never gonna happen.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The fact of the matter is that the Boston Celtics always view Jason Tatum more favorable. They all. They felt that he was the better player. And like he said, and we're gonna get to this, Jason Tatum is right here. He. Jason Tatum. Color between the lines. Jalen Brown.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, listen. I love jb, bro. Like, I was once his teammate, Uncle Ocho, for a very, very short period of time. I did a 10 day with Boston. This was the last part of my career, and I got to know JB pretty well. I think he articulates himself very well. You know what I mean? I. I think he's a hell of a player, and I wish him nothing but luck and the best in Philly. But this is why I asked y' all the other day. I'm like, man, they gonna have a problem with. With guys podcasting, because now we get to hear everything that kind of that's going on with inside of Boston and how they really feel about jb, but we get to feel his. His thoughts to where, you know, I'm saying, his point of view to where he can kind of relay it to us or convey it to us in a way, to where we can kind of understand, man, this man ain't crazy, bro. You know, he.

[Tab Ramos]

He.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He understands. He understands, you know, the talent that he has. And, man, he. He's very articulate when he's on this, when he on his stream, and people really pay attention when, hey, he making a difference, bro. He making a difference. I think it's gonna be hard, though, to continue to let guys, everybody have a voice like this.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you have to understand also, Uncle Joe, certain players can have a voice. You got to be that boy to be able to do what Jalen Brown is doing. You can't just be anybody and not showing up on the court on Sunday, Monday, or whatever you play, and then. And then have something to say on the goddamn podcast. Honestly, you really don't have nothing to talk about. And because Jalen Brown is so good and the fact that he has a voice and they can't control the narrative, they don't like that. You know what? We don't like this. We have a player that is really good, that get paid a lot of money, and we can't control him. We can't control him. So it's not a safe space for them that makes them uncomfortable. The Boston Celtics. That's why they're choosing JT instead of jb, because he's the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Say he's.

[Joe Johnson]

He's safer. We're much more comfortable having him on our team as opposed to Jalen Brown, because we can't control him. He doesn't play by the game. He don't play by the rules.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Even if.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe. Even if they were. If. Even if jb color between the lines. And I'm not saying that's. He's egregious. He doesn't broke it. He hasn't broken any laws. He's a very thoughtful brother. They're not gonna pay two guys, three, $400 million on the same team. Yeah, they're just not.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You just don't expect for them to give them away for peanuts, though.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but hold on. And also, if you're not gonna pay. If you're not gonna pay. Doo doo. Two dudes. 300. 300. 300 million, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Now is not the time to break it up now. Not now. You don't do it now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you notice, think about this. And you said this, Joe, about the podcast. The more he talked, the more intent Boston was getting up off him. Think about it. The last month, you started hearing more and more and more and more. Before it was little whispers, you know, Jaylen Brown might be. But as he talked more and more. More and more started coming out on the other side, didn't it? Yeah, that was. They were trying to send him a message, but he didn't receive it. Oh, he.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

He's very intelligent.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He just didn't give a damn. Well,

[Joe Johnson]

yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In order to do this, if you're gonna do this like Muhammad Ali, say Muhammad. And I think I sent it to you, Joe, when Muhammad Ali was talking about, hey, yeah, I can make a couple of million dollars to keep my mouth shit like somebody else, but there are a million more people. He said, it ain't just about making money. It's about using my influence.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

For those that don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you have to. But you have to be willing to say, you know what? I already know what comes along.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you gotta take the bullet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's a great chance that I'm not going to get the advertising and marketing dollars that someone. Even in a lesser situation.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's not as good as I am. Will get. You have to be okay with that. You have to be okay with. Say, you know what? Yeah. Yeah. You. You. You want them cry freedom, brothers. You can't. We can't bring you to the Olympics. We're not gonna make you. We're not gonna let you do 1968.

[Joe Johnson]

What you call him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cry Freedom. I'm. Listen, I'm telling you how they're thinking.

[Jaylen Brown]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not gonna let. They don't want. First of all, what do you always hear them say? Don't use that platform. Don't use that platform. Because you got a mega horn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That is when you got. When you're a professional athlete, do you know, so does the individual. So when you use that platform, it's like, nah, nah, nah, hell nah.

[Joe Johnson]

And. And, Joe, it's really. It's not just the platform. Right. Because every athlete has a platform, but which athletes are using said platform or

[Chad Ochocinco]

it's how you using it. What you saying on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you got the NBA platform, you got that NFL platform.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a whole different level of platform.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. But it also. It also depends on who's doing the talking, because a lot of people say something and they go on one ear and out the other, but a Jalen Brown saying something. Oh, you getting the attention of everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes. And that's what you remember. You remember when they're. When people started taking the knee? They're like, we could do. You can do that. What is it? When people sing in the national anthem, what do they got? What they got the camera doing? They pan it down, see who got there. Because then it started. Let's see who's kneeling. Let's see who has their hand over their heart. Let's see who have the helmet to the side.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now it went away. Ain't nobody thinking about the national anthem. I'm trying to see who kneeling. Oh, they go, ocho. Kneeling. Okay. T.J. nealing. Oh, man. Okay. But you gotta realize this started when.

[Joe Johnson]

When.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When Mark moved on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, when he was in Denver. He was in Denver. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And hey, boy, it changed. His career was never the same, and he was phenomenal.

[Joe Johnson]

Wait, what happened? What happened?

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was. Hey, you talking about Kyrie with handles and. Get off that shot, boy. Y' all better go pull up some YouTube footage.

[Chad Ochocinco]

My mood. I do. LSU.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought.

[Joe Johnson]

I thought he. I thought he got hurt.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, he played. Hey, hold up, hold up, Ocho. Y' all know when I first joined the big three in 2019.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he was playing the big three.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Still giving guys, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He had the gray beard and all

[Shannon Sharpe]

that joke, man, that joke quicker than a cat on the market. Hey, everything. You see Kyrie, I'm talking About that, that and get a shot off. Go back and watch him how he gave that work to the Bulls. Go back and watch some of his clips.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was one of the best scores ever come through the sec, bro at lsu. No, no, no, lie. He was. He was phenomenal. He was phenomenal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How in hell him and Shaq didn't do what? Do more than him. Stanley.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Big Stanley, man, you know, when you young like that, uncle, you need some polishing. You ain't. They ain't had no season. They were too bland.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, the anonymous sources. And I get what Jalen's saying, but he doesn't know the kind of trouble the world would be in without anonymous sources. Because you found out that nicotine was addictive through an anonymous source. You found out about Watergate through an anonymous source. You found out about the Iran Contra through an anonymous source. You found out about the Tuskegee study, what they were doing to those black men, injecting them and giving them placebos and seeing the fact that syphilis calls don't them through an anonymous source.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got to be careful because you can't pick and choose. I want this anonymous source, but I don't want that anonymous source. So you have to be careful. And I know a lot of times anonymous sources, they're not really saying anything positive because I can assure you, if it was an anonymous source and they say JB is one of the top five players. Do you think he'd have a problem with that, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see? So you have to be careful. And Jalen is smart enough to know, with his extensive studies, he knows anonymous sources have a place that's the system of checks and balances that you have to have. Because somebody, when people go left, somebody have to be willing to go right and get out bits and pieces of information. So you have to be really, really careful with saying anonymous source. Anonymous source.

[Joe Johnson]

And the funny thing about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What do we say? Because I know you don't like anonymous sources either. Go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, I. I don't like anonymous sources. I would love for people to say things and say it with your chest and say it like you mean it most of the time. But anytime there's anonymous source, there's always. It's always true to it. Every story comes from somewhere. And that. The whole point is they want to be. They want to remain anonymous because if they, If. If those that said that, the Stephen A's and the. And the people that are analysts and the pundits, if they tell who the Source is. Then they'll never be able to get information again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

That's how they get it out. They get it out to those talking heads that are on tv. So it can be said. That's how you start the trigger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because they can't say it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. They can't say it is always true to it every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But don't get mad at the source. Get back. Because it's hard for me to imagine that somebody. And look, he's a very intelligent brother. And just because. And just because he's. He's well educated, he's well informed, he's well versed. I mean, what am I supposed to do? I'm supposed. I'm supposed to dumb myself down to make you feel better about yourself. I'm who I am. I did. And we have a way of doing that sometimes. Ocho and Joe, we know this. Sometimes we would do less than what we should because we don't want to make somebody else feel bad about what we worked out. Absolutely. I've done it, man. I can't get this, man. They gonna thank me. They don't. They gonna think I'm trying to show. I'm trying to show somebody up. I'm devaluing myself. What. My hard earned work is done. So, no, Jalen Brown should never dumb down himself, dumb down his opinions to make somebody else feel good about themselves.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because that's what they're mad about. Because they feel inferior. How you mean to tell me he know more than me? Maybe on certain things he does. And that irks some people because they, you know, they got a perception of how you. What you should say, what you should sound like, because it used to be cold. Boy, you're really articulate. What that mean? Have you ever heard one of them say that to another one of them?

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what they reserve for us. Articulate. Okay, sure, we'll take that. Stop. But it's a situation where I think the way it transpired, because of who he is, the success that. What he's had, his name has come up every single year, especially over the last four to five, three to four years, extensively in the off season. And when, when it looks like somebody like, hey, you can have Jaylen Brown in the pit, you can have Jalen Brown, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on. And he's like, well, damn, what do I gotta do to take my. To take my pot off the stove? Because it seemed like my pot is always on the stove and it's always boiling. Why me? Why can't I get Ojo? Why can't I get to the side and be cooling?

[Joe Johnson]

I, I know. I know how to get your, your pot off the stove.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How's that?

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta, you got, you gotta play their game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, that's the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Play their game. Hey, shut up and dribble. They'll put. They'll take you.

[Tab Ramos]

They're taking.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, he ain't willing to do that, Ojo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he ain't gonna do that.

[Joe Johnson]

And I'm glad he's not. I'm glad he's not. I'm glad that he's choosing not to conform to the way they think he should be. I want to continue to be authentically who Jaylen Brown is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be who you are. Always understand what comes with that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You have to be willing to accept the consequences that comes along with that. And, and, and I've been very. Look, I love jb, but I understand how this thing works. It ain't no tiptoeing. I've been. I'm, I'm for anonymous sources. I'm for anonymous sources, good, bad or indifferent, because they serve their place in society. Nobody has ever been upset with an anonymous source. When they say you was about to get $200 million or you're one of the best five players in the league. Nobody's ever said that. Or when they say anonymous sources said, you know, this is the next five people going into the basketball hall of Fame or football hall of Fame. Nobody says, I wish these anonymous sources. Who are these anonymous sources? Nobody says that. Stop cherry picking. We've all had anonymous sources say things. I have. Anonymous sources say the Broncos are not going to be willing to shine. Shannon Sharp, due to his age and his injury history. Hell, I know where it came from. What was I going to do? But they weren't the only team. Last I checked, they print a lot of money.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Broncos wasn't the only one that had it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You have to understand, see, people, like, get mad if you actions have consequences. I tell you what, go on your job and constantly complain about your boss. Your job. And give you the respect and let's see how long you work there. Y' all make it seem like, oh, I could do whatever. You. You don't, you don't. You don't talk to your boss any kind of way. You don't. No, let me take, let me take that back. You don't talk to your boss any kind of way. If you have a job and you're not Your boss. Now, if you. Your boss, hell, you can talk to yourself any kind of damn way, but you're not gonna go on these people job. There's a certain level, and I don't think JB did that. I don't. I disagree. And we. Hold on. Let's go to the next one here. JB said the world doesn't like how authentic he is. Go ahead, take a look. Take a listen to that.

[Jaylen Brown]

You know what I mean? And I think the world right now, you know, obviously you could use me as an example. Is not comfortable with the level of authenticity that someone may bring. And I wasn't comfortable myself when I first started, like, listening. I'm not a streamer bro, like I stream. But this, this wasn't me. This was never me. People in Boston, I don't even like talking to people in general, let alone talking to 27, 000 people. So I started doing this because, you know, the industry, the narratives and everything that people try to make up, and you see them now coming out and getting exposed. But I did this as a way to, like, storytell, tell your own stories and, and show up and let people know who you are and what you got going on.

[Joe Johnson]

I love it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

I love it. Cutting the middleman out, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Cut the middleman out. You linear television media, talking pundits, analysts, you're not going to be able to control the narrative on how the public and the masses are going to perceive me. I get to control it now. So no matter what you say and if I don't agree with it now, I have my own platform and my own voice and my own audience to debunk whatever it is that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Before you go any further, I want you to. I want you to stop, rewind seven seconds and then press plus press play. We stop. Rewind seven seconds. You said I have my own media platform. Yes, I have my own. Say yes. Now ESPN have the platform. They got 25 people. So who you think is gonna win even if. Think about it. That's how news organizations work.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pump out information even though you guess. And who you think the people gonna believe? How many people you think go believe what he says versus what? Now I know they're going to be people that like, look like us. But the masses, who you think they gonna believe when people turn on Fox News, who you think they believe?

[Joe Johnson]

But. But I got a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

For those that. For those that enjoy the game of basketball, that. For those that actually watch.

[Jaylen Brown]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

This is. This is. This is far and few. We never see someone like this be able to go at the machine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Okay, this is what the machine says.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you know what? You hit it from the horse's mouth. It ain't true.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And to be able to. To be able to go at the machine, okay, Ocho, you got to be doing your damn thing. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because I. I'm saying, yeah, it's go. It's a lot of cats out here who gonna. Who all will have a voice, but, man, if you ain't out here, JB averaging 29 a game, bro. How the hell I'm averaging 29 a game, third in MVP voting, and my name's still in all these damn conversations, are getting traded. Something ain't right, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Finals mvp. Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Make.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Make it make sense for me. So maybe it is something that Boston just didn't want to deal with, bro. You know, because when you think about what they gave up for him. Yeah. When I talk about a swap, yeah, he's averaging 29. PG's, averaging 17. But, bro, the headache that they feel like that they gonna have to deal with. They don't want to deal with that. That's it. They don't want to deal with it. Uncle Ocho,

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a prime example. I left fox. They said one thing. I didn't say anything. People believed it. Even if I came out and said, this is what happened, X, Y, and Z, people are gonna believe. There gotta be some truth to it somewhere.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Same thing with cbs. Everybody said, well, he got let go because of this. No, I talked to them. They like Shannon. We just don't think two tight ends on the set of words. Okay, but everybody tried to make it something else. Okay, fine.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What I've learned is that people are going to believe what they want to believe, and there ain't no change in their mind. Are you looking at what's going on in today's. People say we lost money with the Trump coin. People say. And they blaming Democrats because they ain't buy the coin and they shorted it. So people gonna believe what they want to believe. So why am I gonna waste my time now? Maybe if you. There are things you want to get off your chest, I could have said a lot. There are. There are only a handful of people that really, really know the truth about what transpired at FOX and what transpired at cbs. And none of this is what they put out.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know what? Hey, Clean My thing out. Say hey all Wardrobe. Autumn to trace it. Peace out, Jumpsuit. Brett. Hey, Brina. Peace out, all. Everybody hold my girl Scent. Eddie. Hey. Just you. You move on. You can't when people want to. So that's the. That's what I hate. Everything. You never heard anything when Shannon Sharp was at Fox? It wasn't until I left. Then all of a sudden this started leaking out. You never heard none of this about JB when he was there? Nobody said they used the term. You know, thought he was the smartest guy in the room. But what that mean? They thought he was uppity. You know, he thought. You know, he thought he. Yeah, uppity. One of them. You didn't hear that? You didn't hear nothing about his team? He. His teammates couldn't tell him nothing. Seemed like to me, he got along with everybody. That's just me. I'm not in the locker room. But why didn't we hear some of this about him not getting along with teammates before they traded him? Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What I say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why would I hear about. He was the smartest guy in the room before you knew he had outside interest. Listen, everybody. It's okay if he has other things, but it's hard for me to believe that he didn't give you everything that he could while he was on the clock.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Facts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe. And what did I say was gonna come out after he got traded last night on the show watch all the teammates. Hey. Like they did with Miles Garrett all of a sudden coming out. Yes, I knew. I knew it was gonna happen. I knew it was gonna happen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's wild, bro.

[Jaylen Brown]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. That's what I don't get, man. I'm saying, look, we could. Joe, we talked. Oh, we talked about this. We've all been in relationships. The end, nobody heard me say nothing bad about any of my exes because I didn't say that when I was with them. They didn't say that when they were.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now all of a sudden, we go our separate ways, and you got all this bad stuff to say. I get it. Sometimes people, when emotion is high, logic is really, really low. You want to make me look bad. I left because of this. I left because of that. Well, you should have left a lot earlier. If I've been doing this the whole time, why there you stay 10 years, why the hell you say 7 years? If I was such. If I was such an asshole, right? If I was a jerk, didn't do anything, didn't take any Vacations. Now all of a sudden you leave. Oh, I just. That. That's how I am, everybody. And my mistake again. Thinking how I am. That's how other.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's your biggest mistake. That's the biggest mistake.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Especially when you live and learn. That's your biggest mistake. Especially when you're a giver, bro. When you're a giver and they know you're a giver, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Like, hey, hey, I learned my lesson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We all have. Oh, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

I learned my lesson, Uncle Joe. I learned my lesson together. And people started. They take advantage of you. They. They take advantage of you, bro. Cut that off quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got to put limits on what you give, because takers will never put limits on what they take.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, I'm talking about boys. You said a mouthful there, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, you can't. And you joke. Hey, you win some, you lose some, you move on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I don't. Look, you want to trade you, it's. It's your right to do this, but I don't think any fans gonna stop coming to the game. Like when players request a trade. Oh, you ain't no loyal teams. Owners have convinced their fan base that loyalty is a one way street. And it's okay. We're the only ones that need to be loyal. Excuse me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The police need to be loyal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We don't need to be. So if a player asks for a trade, you see, and fans gobble it up every.

[Joe Johnson]

Every time, every how.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to figure out how can a billionaire convinced an average fan that the millionaires are more selfish than them. And they bought it. They bought it, and they're still buying it. I just. Man, J. Like I said, as a matter of fact, y' all know what happened. Was it last year? Yeah, last year around the 4th, I went to this place, got some barbecue. Big old dude, man, bald head. Yeah, man. Kept looking at me. I like, what? And I was like, you know, I'm like chilling, you know, I'm like, you know, I feel him. Look, I look at, you know, we make eye contact because if I. And that's why I kind of. If I'm in the airport, I don't really make eye contact. I have my headphones on. I'm trying to get from point A to point B. Me and Jordan, we're in a hurry. But he kept looking at me. And after a while, he came. He came and like, you know who I am? I'm like, nah. Should I know? He said, I'm Jaylen Brown's dad. I said, oh, okay. What's up, man? How you doing? He's. He was like, man, they be talking crazy about my. I said, what you mean? He's like, man, they'd be. They be. You know, he's always in trade discussion. They always saying X, Y, and Z, and he's nothing like that. I didn't know because I didn't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've never heard Jalen, Obviously, we know he has a dad, but I didn't. I've never heard him mention or say anything about it. So I didn't know if he was

[Chad Ochocinco]

telling the truth or not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But then when I look at him, I'm like, yeah, you. You Jalen Brown Dad, Are you close or you something. You his brother or uncle or something? Because y' all damn don't look alike. He just got a. He got a beard, got a bald head, but. And I think Jalen got low hair now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But God cut his hair. Yeah. God cut it, OJ. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But no, if I just. This is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we've. I've seen. You know, they used to call them a Locker room lawyers. They do all they can to get them up out of there. The. And the thing of. What's so hard about. They can't do this because he's such a great player. If he was a. If he was speaking like this, and he was. If he was averaging 50.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what helps him, though. The fact that he is such a great player, a top 10 player in this league right now, that. That helps him more than anything. Hey, hey, listen, Right. For me, I look forward to him going to Philly, bro, and putting that ball. Putting that. Yeah. Not only balling the hell out, but putting that battery pack in Joel Embiid, bro. I feel like you gotta respect somebody like that. Uncle Ocho, he come to your team, jb. Come to your team. You see how hard he works? Obviously, he speaks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's on his mind, bro. You got to respect that, man. You're gonna have to get to work. Yeah, a lot gonna be expected. Hey, listen, and don't let. I ain't gonna even say it. I ain't gonna say it. I ain't gonna even see it.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Go. Hey, Joe. Hey, don't. Don't hide it, Joe. Let us know what you thinking, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They may not be done. Damn it. If. Hey, hey, hey. If I'm a free agent.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yo, you try to. So you try to talk about the King. You try to talk about the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm just saying, Uncle Osho, you. Y' all got. When you look around the league, especially Eastern Conference, bro, there are a few teams that. You add that man to it, boy, they. They gonna be a top three team in the Eastern Conference for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, listen to me. Listen to me now, Joe, now, listen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Joe. I said it's a few teams. I ain't. I ain't take y' all out. I'm just keeping it 100.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm just saying. You got Jayden, bro. You got Jalen Brown on the ball. You got Tyrese Maxwell on the ball. You got goddamn be down there clog under the paint. LeBron ain't going there, man. Just, Just, Just, just cut. I thought your ball. Know, your ball knowledge is supposed to be on par. It's not on par with me right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All right, all right. Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

LeBron gets to dictate and control the pace of games. Having the ball in his hands at Miami, and it's a better situation no matter what. Sending him out to the west and sending him out there to. You don't want to be 42 y old. 42 years old playing against anybody in the goddamn West. I want to see them boys in the final.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I told you. Listen, it's a.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's a few teams in the Eastern Conference that looks very enticing if I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If.

[Joe Johnson]

Name. Name one. Name.

[LifeLock Announcer]

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[Joe Johnson]

Name another one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Outside of Philly, outside of the Heat. Yeah, outside of the Cavs. What you mean, it's a few.

[Joe Johnson]

The cat, he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a crib.

[Joe Johnson]

He not going back there again now. He ain't going to Double D. I don't already bless y' all on the go back. I ain't gonna bless you for a third time. Come on, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know what? What's amazing, guys? I thought. I thought ever since we booked that trend of just dumb jocks, I thought they would like that the NBA and fans and people would. Would love. Oh, because for the longest time, we were just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now we educated now. We could. Hey, we. We have ideas.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

We run businesses and, you know, we got to do all that stuff now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now you know why it's a problem? Because, hey, it could. It cut all the BS out. You know what I mean? It cut all the BS out, bro. Yeah, we can speak for our damn self, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they don't like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Hell, no, they don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, we can't get. Oh, Lord, now they got a voice. Oh, Lord, now they got opinion.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, now we can't on top of all that. He got all this damn talent. Damn. What we gonna do now?

[Joe Johnson]

We can't control him because what they

[Shannon Sharpe]

do is they say we gonna give you X. Give you a house in a gated community. Yeah. Give you as many cars as you like and so maybe you would turn a blind eye to what's going on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, now he talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you said now he talking.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now he talking. Now you talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't what they do.

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