Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Panthers Beat Cardinals in HOF Game + Mike Tomlin on McCarthy Hire

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Deebo & Joe (Part 1): Panthers Beat Cardinals in HOF Game + Mike Tomlin on McCarthy Hire

Release Date: August 7, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Hayden
Produced by: Shay Shay Media & Playmaker

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Nightcap, football legends Deebo Harrison and Joe Hayden break down the NFL’s long-awaited return with instant reactions to the Hall of Fame (HOF) Game between the Carolina Panthers and Arizona Cardinals. The duo also dives deep into Mike Tomlin’s first TV analyst gig, his remarks on Mike McCarthy’s new head coaching hire in Pittsburgh, and the heated storylines swirling around the Browns, including Jerry Jeudy's viral moment and the ever-debated quarterback competition. The conversation finishes with a passionate debate about Aaron Donald’s rumored comeback.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. First Impressions: Hall of Fame Game – Panthers vs. Cardinals

Segment Start: [04:15]

Carson Beck’s Standout Performance

• Deebo and Joe are pumped to have “real football” back with the HOF Game.
• Carson Beck (Panthers QB) impresses both, with Deebo emphasizing:

  “The man went 15, 19, 188 yards, one touchdown. And of that, it was two guys that dropped balls that was catchable. So he could have been 17 or 19... His accuracy was on point.”
  – Deebo Harrison [06:49]

• Joe notes the variety in offense, Beck’s accurate throws, and receiver double-moves torching defensive backs.

Panthers’ King at QB Also Makes Noise

• Joe loved how King “was able to use his feet” and capitalized on what the defense gave up, mentioning a key 30–40 yard run.

Both QBs Praised for Preseason Composure

• Joe tempers the hype, reminding listeners it's early and most starters weren’t playing:

  “He was super controlled, wasn’t just throwing erratic passes... He's on a great trajectory. I’m not going to crown the man.”
  – Joe Hayden [10:59]

Memorable Quote

“If you’re Carson Beck and you feel like you can be a starting quarterback... you dominate when you play in those type of preseason games.”
– Joe Hayden [10:21]

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2. Coach Mike Tomlin’s TV Debut & Comments on McCarthy Hiring

Segment Start: [12:02]

• Mike Tomlin, now a TV analyst, offered a notable endorsement for Mike McCarthy as Pittsburgh’s new head coach, drawing on shared hometown values and championship history:

  “Mike is perfect for them, and they’re perfect for Mike. Certainly, being a Pittsburgh native, he understands the standard that is Pittsburgh, and he embraces it... The confetti has rained down on him before with his current quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, and there’s no substitute for shared success. These waters run deep. They run deep.”
  – Deebo Harrison, channeling Tomlin’s tone [13:08–13:49]

• Deebo and Joe riff on Tomlin’s iconic presence and delivery, with a playful back-and-forth of Tomlin-isms.
• Joe breaks down the expectations of a McCarthy-led Steelers:

  “Pittsburgh's original standard is championships. Mike McCarthy knows that... The standard isn’t 8 and 8. The standard is we gotta make something happen... It’s time to go win.”
  – Joe Hayden [18:36]

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3. Steelers Camp Storylines, Rookie Standouts

Segment Start: [21:36]

• Deebo and Joe preview their upcoming live broadcasts from Steelers' camp.

• Discuss Max Hanashaw, a raw rookie OL prospect turning heads by dominating reps against established veterans:

  “They say he ain’t lost the one-on-one yet... This is a rookie that is holding his own against the vets, your top players on your defense. Now, that's something to be talked about, baby.”
  – Deebo Harrison [23:02; 25:24]

• Joe emphasizes the benefits of being new to football, likening Hanashaw’s moldable status to his own late start at cornerback:

  “When they don’t have nothing to go from, you don’t got bad tendencies to break.”
  – Joe Hayden [24:29]

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4. Browns Media Drama: Jerry Jeudy & The Quarterback Circus

Segment Start: [27:40]

Jerry Jeudy’s Viral “4” Video

• Deebo and Joe dissect Jeudy’s controversial Instagram Live moment, accused of signaling for QB Shador Sanders by flashing “4.”
• Joe clarifies Jeudy's response:

  “His daughter is actually four years old. So I feel like there’s some legitimate—I don’t think that he would do that out of spite... He was with his daughter a little earlier, showed her a fan. Could be like, ‘yo, how old are you?’ ... They could have us looking crazy.”
  – Joe Hayden [28:10]

• Deebo gets fired up about the unfair scrutiny:

  “Now you got this man talking about he gotta think about how to answer a question that somebody asked him about his child, because now he needs to have the foresight to know that some idiot out here go try and manipulate it into something else.”
  – Deebo Harrison [30:00]

Browns QB Battle & Local Media

• Both hosts vent about Cleveland media stirring drama rather than supporting their team.
• Joe explains:

  “A lot of it is clickbait... We haven’t won in a long time... When you don’t win playoff games, that turns into the media and into everybody.”
  – Joe Hayden [33:20]

Dylan Gabriel’s Levelheaded Response

• Gabriel, Browns third-string QB, is praised for taking the high road amid a three-way quarterback race:

  “I don’t take things personally. It’s business. I’m focused on what I need to do to get better, and that’s all I’m focused on.”
  – (Reported Gabriel quote via Deebo, [34:14])

• Joe's advice: "Let your play do the talk for you... The best thing Dylan Gabriel is doing is just playing football.”
  – Joe Hayden [39:41]

Notable Moment

• Deebo, with emphasis:

  “Y’all trying to make a damn mountain out of a molehill. Like, it’s crazy.”
  – Deebo Harrison [41:48]

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5. Aaron Donald Comeback Rumors

Segment Start: [42:08]

• Speculation swirls about Aaron Donald potentially unretiring to join the defending NFC Champs.
• Debate: How quickly (if at all) can AD return to All-Pro form after two years away?

  “If he returns, they said the Rams would take him to Australia, Bruh, for Week 1 against the 49ers, and the goal would be 30 to 40 snaps.”
  – Deebo Harrison [42:12]

• Joe is optimistic:

  “I think Aaron Donald could do it... AD a little bit under AD is still all-pro... He could still do damage. 10, 12 sacks, still holding stuff up.”
  – Joe Hayden [47:21]

• Deebo is skeptical:

  “Six months, day one, bruh. I was looking at the door like, yo, my body is already hurting after practice... He done took off almost 3, 2 and some change. And now we just go, go back and think it’s just gonna be peaches and cream?”
  – Deebo Harrison [45:27]

• Both agree AD’s comeback stakes are sky-high:

  “With A.D. coming back... it has to be Super Bowl 100%. Especially with him back or nothing.”
  – Deebo Harrison [49:54] “Aaron Donald coming back... they’ve tripled down... it’s Super Bowl or bust for sure.”
  – Joe Hayden [50:44]

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Memorable Quotes

• "Carson Beck looked smooth... King, I love the way that he was able to, you know what I'm saying, use his feet."
  – Joe Hayden [05:49]
• "Pittsburgh's original standard is championships... The standard isn’t just making it to the playoffs and losing. The standard is we got to make something happen."
  – Joe Hayden [18:36]
• "This is a rookie that is holding his own against the vets, your top players on your defense. Now, that's something to be talked about, baby."
  – Deebo Harrison [25:24]
• "Y’all reporters, y’all fans or supposedly fans, whatever it may be... Y’all can’t even get a little bit. What’s going on over there, Joe?"
  – Deebo Harrison [32:19]
• "Let your play do the talk for you... The best thing Dylan Gabriel is doing is just playing football."
  – Joe Hayden [39:41]
• "With A.D. coming back... it has to be Super Bowl 100%. Especially with him back or nothing."
  – Deebo Harrison [49:54]

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Segment Timestamps

• Hall of Fame Game / Panthers vs Cardinals Analysis: [04:15]–[11:30]
• Mike Tomlin’s TV Debut / McCarthy as Head Coach: [12:02]–[18:36]
• Steelers Camp / Rookie Watch: [21:36]–[25:23]
• Browns Media Controversy: Jeudy & QBs: [27:40]–[41:38]
• Aaron Donald Comeback Debate: [42:08]–[54:36]

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Tone & Style

The episode is loose, lively, and fully “unfiltered”—combining deep football analysis with real locker-room humor, inside jokes, and the gritty honesty that’s made both Deebo and Joe fan favorites. They regularly challenge each other, rib their old teams, and show genuine passion for the game.

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For anyone who missed the episode, this is a can’t-miss blend of instant-snap football takes, old-school stories, and fresh drama from two of the NFL’s most forthright voices.

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[Joe Hayden]

Brother Debo, I am doing great. I am super excited because you know what we had yesterday last night to watch. We had y', all, we had football.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Americano, Americano football in that neighborhood. Football, you understand?

[Joe Hayden]

Real football.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Real football, baby. Over there at the hall of Fame game, we had Carolina. We had Carolina and the Arizona Cardinals, they went on ahead, played over there, hall of Fame game.

[Erin Andrews]

And

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

what's the dude's name? King, the quarterback, the Panthers. That's King, bro. Hey, he went on there.

[Joe Hayden]

First it was Kenny Pickett and then they had King.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I gotta get through here. I gotta get through here. I think he might have got a little bit something in that back too. But they lifted him up so fast I couldn't tell. You know what I'm saying? Hey, hey, look here, bro. I watched the first all four quarters and I'm gonna tell you something. The little transition they had where they were like, you know, they were punting the ball, they were pinning each other back. And then I think the one dude from Arizona, he had like a. He Had a PI to get them out of a sticky situation. Then the other dude, he just got beat on a double move, and they ended up scoring on that one. But bruh, Becky, Bruh, I didn't think he was gonna look that good. Like, I didn't think. I didn't think it was gonna go that smooth for him.

[Joe Hayden]

For Carson Beck or.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes, Carson Beck, Bruh.

[Joe Hayden]

Carson back looked smooth. Carson Beck looked great. King, I love the way that he was able to, you know what I'm saying, use his feet. The thing was too Debo, you know how these early preseason games go. They're running the fullbacks, tight ends, they're switching releases. My man King is giving what the defense it offers. He's having people wide open hitting wide open, receivers hitting wide open, fullbacks, running backs out the backfield. So that was good. But with Carson back, what I was looking at, did you see all them damn double moves? He was hitting them people with them damn DBs. The receivers was running stopping goals. Smooth on him. Carson Beck throwing on the dime on his third touchdown. He could have had three in a row, but he dropped it, you know what I'm saying? Which made them have to punt. But Carson Beck looked really, really good to me. The dbs, you gotta stay on top. They ass was getting double moved so bad. But that's what you see during these.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe, you cut out, baby. You cut out. Where you go, buddy? Jodan, we done lost. Joe. Look here, man. What Joe is talking about, brother, is that Carson Beck went out there and he shined. We understand that this is a preseason game, but the man went 15, 19, 188 yards, one touchdown. And of that, it was two guys that dropped balls that was catchable. So he could have been 17 or 19. Like two of them were sacks, one was actual, like, incompletion. And that could be receiver not paying attention because dude ain't look. He ain't look back fast enough. He was more one of those timing routes. You got to get it out there. I mean, like, he looked good. Like, again, it's just preseason. But his. Dude, his accuracy was on point.

[Joe Hayden]

His.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

His. His. His pocket awareness was there, Decision making was there, placement of the ball, everything. Like, he just looked good. Like, I did not think he was gonna come out that smooth. I mean, what is he, 20, 30? I'm 20 something. He high. He high 20s or mid 20s, something like that. For a rookie that's kind of old. 24, 25, something like that, you know, I'm. I'm gassing with 30, you know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying he got a lot more time in my back, so he can. He can see what's going. Yo, you back. I hear your voice. I hear your voice. I don't see you yet, though.

[Joe Hayden]

That's my bad.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I got you now. I got you now. There you go. There you go, Joe. Go ahead, baby. I was just telling him how that boy Beck went 15 and 19 and two of them times, he was sad. Two of them, the boys dropped two balls and the one time dude turned around fast enough, I think he might be able to get that. But, you know, that's a timing thing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What were you. What were you most surprised by in that game? To be honest with you, I mean, back was me. That's it. Like, I'm thinking third round, that might be the steal of the draft right now. If he able to continue that, you know, we happy.

[Joe Hayden]

I was happy. I just wanted to see anybody out there playing football.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know, I wanted to see.

[Joe Hayden]

Trying to get a job, trying to

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

get a spot defense.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what it is, Deebo? We wanted to see anybody play. I'm not a fan here nor there, but Carson Beck, seeing him be played in Miami, quarterback, he wants to get a chance to go out there and play. So being able to see him throw the ball accurately down the field, you know what I'm saying? You know, we like saying dink and dunked and all of that, but if you got an option, if you have dudes running fade balls or hitting them with double moves on the outside and you can make that pass, I love to see it. So you know there's going to be growth. 15 for 19. He's not panicking. He was super controlled, wasn't just throwing erratic passes. So you just love to see that. It's early in the season, you got young dudes out there. The defense you not getting, you're not beating dudes on double moves like that. When it's the starters, there's going to be more contested passes, more windows. But just being able to see you're playing who we're grading him on who he's going against. So at the end of the day, love what I saw because you're beating this competition. So now being able to go against the starters, you get your ones going out there. They didn't have the starting running back love, you know what I'm saying? The first round pick, we didn't get to go see him play because the main thing is you want to get to the season. So it's. They have four preseason games. The hall of Fame game is an early one. So where the younger guys are going to get a lot more play time. They're going to get a lot more chances to get out there and study their tape and see what they can do. So just football in general, it was good to see and I love when you're playing, if you're Carson Beck and you feel like you can be a starting quarterback in the National Football League, you dominate when you play in those type of preseason games with a lot of dudes that really may not even make the roster. So he did what he was supposed to do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's crazy, Joe. You kind of diminishing it a little bit. You know, he doing it with the.

[Joe Hayden]

Not diminishing it, but you can't get to. Now he's not the hall of Fame. I'm not inducting the man. I'm saying I like what I see. Continue to improve, to win. Just keep this going. He's on a great trajectory. I'm not going to crown the man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No, Debo, I ain't going to crown him either though. But you know what I'm saying, I'm, I'm giving. It's way better than I thought it was going to look like. That's, that's like, that's 100% true. Like, and if you see the, that they had in camp, bro, like you didn't expect it.

[Joe Hayden]

And then even with King on his side, King looked great. He was taking what the defense gave him. You saw how he was scrambling, using his legs to get into the end zone and that 30, 40 yard run to even get them in the position. So making smart decisions when the defense got there, not throwing interceptions, you know what I'm saying? All the quarterbacks really looked pretty good. Nobody was out there doing nothing too terrible. So, yeah, it's positive when you see like that. So I was just excited just to watch football. King did his thing and, and Carson Beck definitely did his thing.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

For sure. For sure. We got our first chance to see Coach T in his new role as a, as analyst on, you know, on tv. Well, Mike Tomlin. I'll say. I'll say Mike Tomlin. And yes, sir, he shared his, he shared his, his thoughts on head coach Mike McCarthy and he had said that Mike, Mike's perfect for them. They're perfect for Mike. Yes, certainly being a Pittsburgh native, he understands the standard that Pittsburgh and he embraced. Listen here, man. Can you hear Mike's voice? Can you see his Mannerisms and all that. Like, why are you saying this right here? Like, can you see it? Like. Cause I can see it. I can feel it. I can picture it. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It's wild. It's wild. Real talk. Even though I saw it, I could still picture it. Matter of fact, here, let me see if I can give it to you. Let me see.

[Joe Hayden]

I do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, go ahead. You ready?

[Joe Hayden]

You going, Mike T. Mike is perfect.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hold on. Mike is perfect for them, and they're perfect for Mike. Certainly, being a Pittsburgh native, he understands the standard that is Pittsburgh, and he embraces it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, his.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

His coaching experience will also allow him to manage that. He's got an. He's got an awesome resume. Obviously, the confetti has rained down before him.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, it has.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, the confetti has rained down on him before with his current quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, and there's no substitute for a shared success. These waters run deep. They run deep.

[Joe Hayden]

They do.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He's positioned to do well. Certainly, there's some challenges when you come to a new situation, but, boy, there's a lot of continuity in this new experience for him. Yeah, I can see it, Joe. I can see it. Look here, man, he ain't talking. He ain't talking. He's telling y' all already. Look, he's right there. He can't help it. He coached. Still is 19 years, man. He still. He still got. He still got some love there, you know, somebody do well. And when you look at the. When you look at the resumes of both of them, they almost identical. Joe, what do you think, Joe? I mean, he dropped confetti on us. Not us, me.

[Joe Hayden]

On you? Yeah. He dropped the confetti on you.

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[Joe Hayden]

Obviously the first appearance. Great. Coach T. Like you said, all of his lines, all of his quotes that he says are perfect for TV. And when he was talking about coach Mike McCarthy, I understand exactly what he's saying, too. He's been a winner. His track record is what he is. He's from Pittsburgh.

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[Joe Hayden]

He knows when he's saying the standard is standard. The Pittsburgh original standard is championships. So Mike McCarthy knows that he did that with. He's talking about the confetti he's ran with Aaron Rodgers. He wasn't able to Mike. Mike Tomlin wasn't able to do that with a rod in his time. But he's knowing he's Mike McCarthy's from there. He knows what it is. He's not coming here with any other notions like, oh, no, we're going to be okay. I got a rod, I'm from Pittsburgh. It's championships here. That's the standard. The standard isn't 8 and 8. The standard isn't just making it to the playoffs and losing. The standard is we got to make something happen. And when Coach McCarthy's coming there, too, at the beginning, changing that environment of taking out the bleachers, there's no walking around making sure that everybody speaking the same language. There's one new, there's a new voice and there's a new sheriff. So everybody. That's the thing where Coach Tomlin said, I think it's good for the vets, I think it's good for tj I think it's good for Cam. I think they're ready for that because they needed Coach T. Kind of could go as much as you can. When you bring a new coach in like him, that's kind of the same. But now I'm enforcing my stuff. We're not doing seven shots. Like training camp looks completely different to them. So they having to be on it and just coming in this thing like a new song. I understand where Coach T's coming from. I know that with Mike McCarthy, he sees what I see. Basically, a coach that played with Aaron Rodgers, has had success, has been to Super Bowls, know what Pittsburgh needs, know that the fans aren't ready for just mediocrity. It's time to go win. So discipline. We have the players, we got this. We have the. We have the roster. Offense looking good. You know what I'm saying? I played with Aaron Rodgers. I know what he can do. The receivers, the weapons defense hasn't been up to par. So if our defense can be the standard of standard, we can get a top 10 top 5 defense in the league with a top 10 offense in the league. Because that's what he brings. We haven't been able to score a lot of offense, just been kind of shaky. So Mike McCarthy, bring that offense here. Make sure that you can do it. You did it in Dallas, you did it in Green Bay. Do that here. Defense, we have the players. Y' all execute. Tj they say you're getting old, Cam. You're getting older. Jalen Ramsey, step up. Joey Porter, you know what I'm saying? You want to be the best corner in the league. Show everybody. You know what I'm saying. So he's situation right with the staff, with the players, and he knows what he got to bring to the spot. So I think Coach T is saying the same stuff that we were saying about Mike McCarthy.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, definitely. But what I want to slide on over to is.

[Joe Hayden]

Is what?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What, Joe? Why you got it? Why you go like that?

[Joe Hayden]

I hope we was just stay on the Steelers for a second, and I think I was feeling your energy that you wanted to just go over to the Browns. I could feel it.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What. What you mean? I don't. I'm not. Joe, calm down, buddy.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like. Like, come on. Goodness. This is. This is unbelievable, man. I don't know what's going on, but I'm. Let me just say we're good. I mean, let's go ahead. We gonna be at Steelers camp, though. Let's. Let's just stay on the Steelers. Yes, we're gonna be at Steelers camp, man. We're gonna be Monday and Tuesday. We will be there broadcasting. So we're somewhere around, say, one o', clock, something like that. And we'll. We'll go from there and hopefully catch some guys that they coming off the practice field, you know, talk to some guys. Other guys get. Get maybe some other people, you know, chop it up a little bit, man. Maybe even chop it up with some fans for a little bit, man. Who knows? Who knows? But we will be there. We build. We will be set up. We're gonna be at, like, the top. We'll be at the top so we get that good view coming on down.

[Joe Hayden]

Got to, you know, got to.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But we got to go get there a little early so we can sit around, watch practice, you know, Co Main.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That's what they see, what's going down. You know what I'm saying? See how everybody get the eyes.

[Joe Hayden]

I need to hear communication. I need to see what's going on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yes. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

If it's quiet out there, we need communication.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

No questions.

[Joe Hayden]

We know. Is everybody. These people looking around like they don't know what's going on.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

It can't be. It can't be. Matter of fact, and I'm hearing some news out of there. Hey, remember Max? How you say that?

[Erin Andrews]

E?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hana Shaw.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Hey, they say he out there doing his thing. They say this, this, this. This thing, that was supposed to be a, you know, a work in progress of a project. They say he out there. They said he ain't lost the one on one yet. They said he done against tj. They said he done win against Highsmith and Herbert. They said he ain't lost one yet. Dang.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I heard. So he's standing on business.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

They say he's standing on business. But that was supposed to be a project. I told y', all, man. It's a project. But this is what y' all understand. See, when you go into a project, most people go into a project and they look at a player and they say, oh, man, he's gonna be a project. Yeah, but this player been playing the game for 10 years. That's not a project. Maybe he just can't develop to what it is. Yeah, now you gotta do. They ain't been playing but like, two, three years. Three years. Something like that. Since. Since his senior year or something like that. In high school or something like that. Like that. Actually, it might be just the last three years. Now I think about it. That's a project. And he looking like this already. Come on, now. That's the project I want to get a hold of. That's the project I want to be able to go ahead and develop. Because he's truly raw. Yes, he is truly raw.

[Joe Hayden]

He ain't.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He ain't got nothing that he done built up over the last 10 years. I can adjust, get him to understand and manipulate and mold him into what it is that I need to do. Look at him right now.

[Joe Hayden]

That sound like me, Deebo, when I ain't start playing corner until I went to Florida. Until I went to Florida. So you don't have bad tendencies to break. Get good coaching, and you gonna learn the right stuff. Teach me the right stuff. And he seems like he's ready to learn, and he's a quick learner. So you don't have Brad tendencies. It's like, no, no, no. I know what I'm doing. I did this before. Nah, Coach let me know what to do, and I will execute it exactly how you tell me. So those are the most, like, technically sound. Because when they don't have nothing to go from, you don't Got bad tendencies to break.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Exactly. Like, here's the big thing, though. Like, you were even playing football. He wasn't even playing football, dog.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, no, for sure, for sure.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Three, four years ago. Four years ago, whatever it may be, like, he wasn't even playing football. So this is really fresh to him. He's natural at this. Now, you give him the tools and the instruments to actually be better in the understanding of how to build it up.

[Joe Hayden]

Like.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And this is a rookie that is holding his own against the vets, your top players on your defense. Now, that's. That's something to be talked about, baby. Like, I don't know, you know, everybody's talking about, oh, the. The. For a first round, you know, that's not that. It's early, I understand, but give us. Give us time. What's that noise? You hear that noise, Joe? Can you hear me?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I can hear you a little. You sound like you're a little like.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like, sputtery, buttery something, right? Y', all. I don't know what's going on. I'm hearing they sound like a. A damn worm or something, like chewing on my wires or something. I don't know what the hell that was, Joe, man. I don't know what the hell that was, bro.

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Like, I heard that. It was like.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, that's all I could hear.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What was it?

[Joe Hayden]

You couldn't even hear me talking like that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, listen, I hope. I hope. I hope this. I hope this get better. It might be your Internet, man. I think it's your Internet, because my. You know, my stuff, I ain't. We ain't had no. You know, we ain't really had one. One problem. It was you. It was a shutdown. But they. They actually did something to the whole thing. Like your. You know, yours been a little janky.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, my WI fi snapped out. Then it snapped back in, but now, as soon as I did, it's a little. You hear that?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

That is you. That's your worms over there eating your wires up and stuff in that nice mansion you got over there.

[Joe Hayden]

Give me two seconds. Let me try to get that, man.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Listen, it's cool. I don't. I don't even hear it right now. But what I want to jump to is. Yo, yo, yo, Cleveland Browns over there. So I guess I hear it again. I guess Jerry Judy attempted to clear Joe. What is that, bro? Can. Can the chat hear that? Okay, good. Y' all can't hear it so good. Let's roll with it, Joe, they can't hear, so let's roll with it now.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay?

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Bet. Jerry Judy attempted to clear the air on, I guess, a viral video that was suggesting he wanted DeShawn Watson to start over Shadora Sanders. So Jerry Judy told the reporters that the video was cut. And before the edit, he showed his daughter, which prompted a viewer to ask how old she was. He said he threw up.

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Four.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Because she's four years old. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, leaders. I did my research. I did my research. And you know how people always can chop and screw stuff. And Deebo, when you're on live, you know how people be always commenting and the stuff gets to scrolling and people say different things. And when you could answer something with somebody, how old is your daughter? You could easily. Somebody under it, like 3 comments under could say, oh, who's what? Quarterback? Do you like? So trying to stir up the pot, you can easily do that. You know what I'm saying? And for me, I don't think that he would put. I don't think he did that on purpose. I think somebody made the little video, made it look like he did that for the four. His daughter is actually four years old. So I feel like there's some legitimate. I don't think that he would do that out of spite just because of what's going on. I would hope not. And then just because, too, it's just too much drama that he knows that they're gonna ask him the questions about that the same way that they just did when he was sitting there with the Browns media. And he answered it like, no, it's about my kid. And you know how people always wanna start something up. There's a quarterback competition they got going on. He can't do nothing right. If you put up anything of a four like me and you, Deebo, we could. A peace sign is a two. They could think he's talking about Shador. You know what I'm saying? People can manipulate and cut stuff. And if you doing something on live 1000%, they can manipulate you to make you look like you're trying to cause mess when you're really not. So I don't. I think if he wanted to cause mess, he knows how easy it really is. But that one when you're on live thing, people asking questions. He was with his daughter a little earlier, showed her a fan. Could be like, yo, how old are you? Like, coveted life. Oh, talking coveted life could be on there speaking something nice. We answering under it. Somebody asked a wild question and somebody puts that, oh, is he answering to that. They could have us looking crazy. So I see where he's coming from. I don't think he was doing that for that reason, Joe.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

You know me and what. I'm just. Listen, you know, I think. And I get into thought processes of what could or couldn't be. So for me, personally, I ain't gonna lie to you, man. This is some bullshit, bro. And now you got this man talking about he gotta think about how to answer a question that somebody asked him about his child, because now he needs to have the foresight to know that some idiot out here go try and manipulate it into something else. Jerry. Judy, bruh, don't even worry about this. Like, it's not even something to give thought to, to be honest with you. You know, and if he stopped talking. If he stopped talking to y' all and give y' all nothing, then all of a sudden, oh, he a. You know. Yeah, he ain't. He ain't being. He ain't being a good. He ain't being a good NFL player. He's not. He's not. No, no. Y' all done went on ahead and y' all done did some BS and took something out of context. Now this man talking about he gotta think about how to answer a question about how old his daughter is, because y' all gonna go out here and try and flip it and make it into something else. The dude said, I've been in the league for. What was it? He said, seven years? Seven years. Now, he said five of those six years. It's been a quarterback competition within those years. Like, I've been through this. Y' all think I'm stupid enough to go and actually answer a question like that? Y' all think I'm. I don't have enough maturity or understanding to know, like, that wouldn't be a good thing. Like, no. So, Jerry Judy. I 100% with you, Joe. I believe him. People want to go and shoot and take it however they want to. And that's just. I think that's just Cleveland, bro. I think y' all just. I think y' all reporters, y' all fans or. Or. Or supposedly fans, whatever it may be, y' all true fans wouldn't do nothing like that. But y'.

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All.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Y'. All. Y' all reporters and all that, man, they. If they ain't got nothing to start no trash, it only seems like they'd be writing nothing, bro. Like, you know, I don't know. I don't know. You're supposed to have your home team supposed to Be your people that's supposed to be with you, like, support you all the way through, like, almost to the point of. Of a fault. Y' all can't even get a little bit. What's going on over there, Joe? They still letting them in the building and all that. They letting them talk to people. They let them interview people. They. They have them in like, all that, and they still, like, all this whole off season. Like, what do you think, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Say that one. I can't. I came back because now I can hear you clearly.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I said, why does your reporters, your Cleveland based reporters, why do they go so hard at trying to make controversy with your Browns man? Why don't they go and try and support some. Try and try and give a little positive reinforcement. Your home reporter is supposed to be the guys that's for you. Y' all got a bunch of them that just seem to want to cause drama and start shit. Why is that?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't know. A lot of it is clickbait, I think, and a lot of it is just we haven't won in a long time, so I don't know. I really don't know. And there's some days you're trying to find something to talk about, and until you start winning games, that's the only way that's gonna change. Because at the beginning of the season, fans are like, oh, no, we can't get too hyped because we do that every year. And next thing you know, we're mathematically eliminated. So they get pissed and that turns into the media and that turns into everybody. So they can. When you don't win playoff games, I understand Deebo. I'm not with it. And that's why I wouldn't want to try to bring up some of these stories. You got to let the season play out. You got to let it go. But always just be bringing. Because that's what. That's what people are going to talk about, though. They're going to talk about the bad stuff when you haven't been able to have. You're not. We haven't won games, so we got to go out in the win so we can finally start talking about that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, like, I don't even know why this is a story. Dylan Gabriel told reporters that he doesn't feel disrespected that the Browns quarterback battle has focused on desean Watson and Shador Sanders. He said, I don't take things personally. It's business. I'm focused on what I need to do to get better, and that's All I'm focused on. Like, why would that even be a story that he would. Like, why would that even be put out there? Because they want him to say something. I know they probably want. Let me. I was gonna get messy. I ain't gonna get messy, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no. I could say, how.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

How hard is that, you know, for a guy to actually just be like, yeah, I understand. It's a business, especially dealing with y' all reporters, bruh. Like, they trying to gas everything. Like, I ain't gonna lie. Last year, though, he gave him a little bit of gas. You know, he was doing a little pillow talk. He gave him a little bit of gas, though, you know what I'm saying? So I think they was trying to set him up again, you know, because,

[Joe Hayden]

look, it wasn't his fault. Last year, he was drafted before Shador Sanders. He had the opportunity with Kevin Stefanski, obviously wanted him to play over Shador, so he was getting those reps, you know what I'm saying, with Joe Flacco. So when they. When he got his opportunity, it was before Shador. We got. Got his chance. I didn't think he was throwing the ball too deep down the field, you know what I'm saying? Like, his. His. His touchdown to interception ratio was nice, but that was just because we were dinking and dunking. We weren't throwing the ball down the field. And when he did throw the ball down the field, I didn't see the strength in his arm. It would flutter in the air sometimes. So let it be known. I understand where he's coming from. Where now he got out the game. Shador Sanders went in there and he threw the ball down the field a little bit more. And I saw more of the Browns offense being able to have a chance. So now Chador with Dylan Gabriel. I respect that. He understands that. It's a business. It's the NFL. He was in there last year with Coach Stefanski that actually liked him a little bit more. That's why he got a chance over Shadore Sanders. So now Shador's in the quarterback battle with. With Deshaun Watson.

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[Joe Hayden]

Well, now, when he's playing well, he's doing exactly what he needs to do. Dylan Gabriel is not saying nothing. He's playing well. When you're looking at his numbers. That's why people are bringing up, oh, why isn't Dylan Gabriel in the conversation? Let your play do the talk for you. When you're throwing completions, when you're throwing touchdowns and not interceptions at training camp, other people are going to be like, oh, what about Dylan? You don't have to be the one. Like, yeah, I think I should be back in the talk. No, no, no, no, no. You just chill. You just play the way you're supposed to be playing because you're out there. You weren't doing too bad, but you weren't nothing special. So learn, get these reps that you get and do the best that you can with them when you go and get your opportunities in these preseason games look good, don't look bad, you know what I'm saying? So the best thing that Dylan Gabriel is doing is just playing football. It's a business. He realizes that the best thing I can do is play well, stay out the way, not try to bring up extra controversy because I'm gonna let my play speak for itself and that's what I like with just Shador Deshaun Watson. It's the outside that's making it like when they asking these questions. Cause if they say something crazy, then it's looking like, oh, well right now. They're always saying the right thing. It's a competition obviously, but I have to do what I have to do, play well on the football field. And that's what's going to happen when they going to see me throwing touchdowns, not interceptions, doing well in the two minute drills, scoring in red zones, that's what's going to do well. When the preseason game come, I'm balling out. So with Dillon understanding, don't be out there acting like you don't nobody earn nothing you don't deserve. Like right now, desean and Shador are in a quarterback competition that Todd Monkin said, these are the top two runners. You are obviously still on the team competing. He's giving you reps. And everybody else, when they see you playing well, they're like, oh, what about Dylan Gabriel? That's all you need. Keep doing what you're doing, keep your mouth shut, keep trying your best and then your actions Your play is going to be able to elevate you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. I agree with you 100%.

[Joe Hayden]

Thank you, my brother.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I hate talking positive, but, you know,

[Joe Hayden]

sometimes you gotta talk, you know, when I say stuff that makes sense, you can agree.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I gotta agree, Joe. I can't. You know, just like, if I would have went against the, you know, the jury. Judy, do you believe? Judy? Yeah, I believe. Like, what is you talking about? Y'. All. Y' all trying to make a damn. A mountain out of a molehill. Like, it's crazy. It don't. It don't even. It don't even make no sense to go there. But Aaron Donald, Mike fl.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

He is Donald.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Be made in the coming days, and if he returns, they said the Rams would take him to Australia, Bruh, for Week 1 against the 49ers, and the goal would be 30 to 40 snaps

[Joe Hayden]

to be more careful.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, bro. Listen, if he come back. Yeah, bro, I don't even know no more. I'm. I'm starting to believe, like, like, like, like, like, like, he might come back. Like. Anyway, bro, if he comes back, how long do you think it'll take him to get back to all pro level, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Ad's not old, so. And I don't think AD is. No, I don't think AD has really stopped working out too much.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Get the training, Joe. I hear he been training like I

[Joe Hayden]

hear you for AD. I don't know. I don't know. 30, 40 snaps, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't think it's gonna take him too long. He's Aaron Donald. He retired early. It was like Barry or Megatron, you know what I'm saying? They take two off and I think not too many people.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Two. Dude.

[Joe Hayden]

I say everybody could do it. I think Aaron Donald could do it, because if he would have played 14 years.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Okay, so how long you think it's

[Joe Hayden]

going to take a year and a half to come back? Yes, but right now it's ad. I'm believing in him to do it, like, come back and so you believing

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

him to come back for sure and

[Joe Hayden]

be a dog and how long? I don't think AD's coming back. If he's not gonna feel like he's AD. If you don't think he can do what he did, if you don't think he could really still like, throw people out the way.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Joe, I did that, bro. I was only six months, Joe. I retired in. What was it? March, April, something like that, right? I was still training. And you see how I trained, but I wasn't training how I would train if I was getting ready for a season, bro. I hear you, okay?

[Joe Hayden]

And I hear you, Debo.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And I literally. That wasn't two years, bruh. That wasn't two years. And coming back, I got that. Well, they told me it was like gonna be like 15, 20 snaps, you know, you'd be back 15, 20 snaps, whatever. We played against Tampa, bro. And I don't even know how many snaps I got for that. It was like. It was like 45, 50 snaps or something, bro. Like, Joe, here's the thing you gotta understand, man. Day one, six months, bruh. Day one, I was older, too. I was damn near 40. So it's a little different, Debo.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

But not even. No, it was like 36. I was close to 40, whatever. It was a couple years difference, whatever it may be. 35, 36, whatever, when I first came back. But the point I'm trying to make to you, bro, is the body that hardening up. You know how you get in the training camp, bruh, and you ain't been hitting all season. And then you get into training camp in that first week or two, you. You, you chewing Advil, trying to get your shoulders sore. Your forehead is sore from your helmet, just pressing on, just having it on your head and all that other stuff. Like now you take that and times the body part like, he's out of the two years.

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[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Six months, bro. Six months. Day one, bruh. I was looking at the door like, yo, my body is already hurting after practice and give it tie to 32.

[Joe Hayden]

He's 35, dude.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

Three years, he coming back when I came back, damn near. But he three, two years out, bruh. You know how bad that is on your bro, the hardening up. Think about this. I was a rookie my rookie year. I played like three quarters of a game for the first time ever. It was like the second or third game of the season. Might have been the first, I don't remember. But I know it was in Detroit. I know that for a fact. The next day, Bill Carter gave us the day off. If he hadn't gave us the day off, I didn't know what I was going to do, bro. I could barely get out of bed. I had to call my dad and be like, yo, dad, I don't even know if this for me. He like, ah, you be all right. Your body had toughened up too. He was right, he was right. But I had that thought and that was at like 20 something. He done took off almost 3, 2 and some change. And now we just go, go back and think it's just gonna be peaches and cream. My man worked out in the helmet. He ain't even had no shoulder pads on now. He had to hit nobody, nothing. Yeah, get back to that, that, that, that all perform. He could get back to all performer. I don't know. I think it. Yeah, I don't know, Joe. I really don't. I don't know. You could take him. It could take him, you know, maybe six games or so, something like that. Because you got to get back into that competition and going, you know, all that stuff, build up your timing, build up. You know, it could take him a minute. But back to that old AD I don't know about that. And I don't know if he want to come back. If he can't be that old AD I don't know. It's a good thing for him to come back.

[Joe Hayden]

Especially after you just told us you

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

done did everything you need to do and you done accomplished everything you wanted to accomplish, but now all of a sudden you ain't accomplished that and now you coming back.

[Joe Hayden]

Thing is, Deebo, he not coming back and has to. Like when we say in old AD, like that was defensive player of the year him and now he got Miles on his team. And D line is not like there's no slouches there. They was top 5D line in the league last year. So with him coming back, it's just adding more fuel, more to the fire. It's not like he got it AD like you said, AD a little bit under AD is still all pro, you know what I'm saying? Like he was defensive player of the year, but if he's right under defensive player of the year, still one of the best to do it. So he could still do damage. 10, 12 sacks, still holding stuff up and he can't be double teamed now. Like, who you going to double team? You going to double team? Miles, you going to double team? It's just so much more one on ones. So now he's looking at it like, oh, they you want double miles over there? Now I'm gonna be able to get this work and where I was never able to get one on ones as much.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

And I understand what you're saying, but he still gotta get back to that point where he is the player that he was and it's a need necessity to Double team. You see what I'm saying? Like, you out of the game. It's a difference between working out and then going in there and actually having to move around in that. That. That environment again. And you haven't done it in two years, like six months. Well, you got. He got. He got stuff that he ain't. He ain't even thought about, like, having to use, like, you gotta. You gotta get in there and just twerk and twist and like, all that, you know, leaks in there and all that stuff. And it's another man putting forces against you. The weights don't put no force against you, but in whatever plane it is that you working it, he ain't trying to twist you and throw you down and all the other stuff.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, the good part is, like, you don't gotta rush. I said he don't gotta rush. The team is like. He said, the team is stacked. He could eat like you. He could ease into it. They need him for the playoff. They gonna make it regardless. So when just a healthy agent, like you said, six games by, you come

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

back, you don't win it.

[Joe Hayden]

Playoff time, he's back to caliber.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

I understand that, but you come back and you don't win it. Cause they are done already crowned y' all as super bowl champions. You come back and you don't win it, then what? What did you accomplish? It's super bowl or nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, when he comes back, they're going for Super Bowl.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So anything else but a Super bowl is a failure.

[Joe Hayden]

They was going for Super bowl without

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

A.D. i understand that, but with A.D. coming back, his. With him back, it has to be Super Bowl 100%. Especially with him back or nothing. Because you telling me you done came back after you already said you accomplished everything you need to accomplish, you walked away from the game, you come back and then you don't win this, you don't win the Super Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo, what did you just say? They've tripled down.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

What's the worst thing? What if he comes back? He doesn't even play good. Like, what if he comes back and he plays like a good player, not

[Joe Hayden]

AD

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

does it damage his legacy?

[Joe Hayden]

He's not. I don't think any way AD Is on this team is going to make them any worse. Any version of a Baron Donald. So once they went and got Trent McDuffie on defense and they just need a secondary, boom. I'm like this. They basically going super bowl or bus. They made him the highest paid corner and brought his homeboy. Then they went and got Miles Garrett. Now I'm instantly thinking, oh, they're super bowl or bust. Aaron Donald added additionally, now it's like, obviously he's thinking the super bowl or bus. Like they've. They've tripled down. Like the Rams now have got OC on offense, scoring hella points. I was just looking at them last year with the defense when they played against the Seahawks, they couldn't stop Aaron, they couldn't stop Sam, Sam Darnold and, and Walker. So when they, if they can, they've added. They've got, they got Miles, they went and got McDuffie. And now if Aaron Donald comes back to what they already have, that's tripling down on. It's super bowl or bust for show. So Aaron Donald coming back, I'm like, duh. He definitely thinks that he has nothing else to lose. They're going to win a Super bowl this year or for sure. Like you said, it was for no reason because he was saying he accomplished everything he needed to accomplish. He's going to come back this year and do it and go get another Super Bowl. I'm like, yeah, okay, I can. Debo. I think he might have answered that joint. He didn't come back and win it because I'm looking at him like, yeah, I thought the Rams was going to win it after when they got. Not going to win it, but up in the conversation, like, they're not tooling down, they're tooling up. And they barely. They made it to the NFC Championship game last year. Matthew Stafford looks nice. Devonte looks nice. Puka's back, still got the running game. Now they got the defensive backs and miles and A.D.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

what, what, what Miles getting this year? What are you getting paid?

[Joe Hayden]

Say that.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

How much Miles getting paid this year? What is, what is. What are you getting paid this year? What is it, 40 something, something? I don't know. What is it? 30 something? I don't know. So now you got to pay AD all right, so it's breaking us, what they got left.

[Joe Hayden]

It's breaking up.

[James 'Deebo' Harrison]

So I think. I think Garrett miles is what, 37, something like that? Miles, 37, something like that. They got about 26 left, so I'm sure he could come back for 26, but he turned down that kind of money because he had already accomplished everything he wanted to accomplish right now. You come back, then if you're coming back and it's not for the money, because you turn down more money than that and then you don't win the Super Bowl. I don't know if That's a good look. But, but you came back and all the other stuff he said beforehand is false. He came back because I feel like he chasing another title. I don't see AD being that dude, especially after he just told me that he accomplished everything he needed to accomplish. Why would he come back and chase another title? And then if he don't get it, does that hurt his legacy? Like I said, I think it would. Because now you came back and you didn't. What if he come back? He don't play up to AD standards. What if he come back and God forbid, gets hurt? Like, what are we like? It's, it's, it's, it's a lot of the things to, to talk into, you know, talking to that and you know, I'm just saying, hey man, got a lot of businesses around too, man. You can't do all that when you up here doing this football thing again. AD just saying, man. That's all I'm saying.

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