Best of NBA News Part 2: Spurs PROBLEMS, Trae Young DECLINES option & Knicks NO SEX rule

Summary

Nightcap: Best of NBA News Part 2

Spurs PROBLEMS, Trae Young DECLINES Option & Knicks NO SEX Rule

Date: June 21, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Uncle Joe), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (Ocho), and guest analysts

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the hottest NBA summer news, including salary cap dilemmas in San Antonio, the future of star point guards, power shifts in the league, Trae Young’s free agency move, and a candid discussion on what makes a “face of the league.” It’s classic “Nightcap”—unfiltered, funny, and sharp, with hosts bouncing personal experience off headline analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Spurs’ Young Core and the ‘Max Contract’ Problem

Timestamps: [02:45]–[12:53]; [25:23]–[26:10]

• The Spurs are “committed” to De’Aaron Fox, but there are tough questions about keeping four potential max players as extensions loom for Wembanyama (“Wimby”), Castle, and Harper.
• Ocho: “You can't have four max guys on your team. I don't give a damn how well you winning.” [03:12]
• Consensus: The most a team can realistically hold is three max contracts. This creates a future where tough decisions await—the Thunder (OKC) comparison is made.
• Discussion on how trading or letting key blue-collar guys walk (like OKC with Dort and Wallace) is unavoidable: “That's gonna be tough, man,” Ocho laments the cost of contender-building. [09:41]
• Uncle Joe: “It’s just like football…when [the QB is] on that rookie contract, you gotta maximize… same thing with San Antonio. When you have great players on rookie deals, you gotta try to win a title.” [11:03]

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2. OKC’s Own Salary Crunch: Who Stays, Who Goes?

Timestamps: [04:51]–[09:46]

• OKC's mounting payroll issues are dissected, especially as role players like Wallace and Dort expect big contracts.
• Ocho: “It ain't always a given, when you go to another team, you gonna shine like you think you are.” [06:28]
• Insight into the “restricted free agency” dance—sometimes players have to ask teams not to match offers.
• Joe (on player movement): “They’ll take that four year deal and in three years they’re back and able to sign a five year deal.” [13:10]

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3. Whose Team Is It? Player Roles, Extension Drama, & Internal Friction

Timestamps: [12:32]–[16:38]; [25:23]–[26:10]

• Reports leak via Harper’s camp about wanting a starting spot; Vesel publicly voices displeasure with his role.
• Joe: “You keep putting your foot down, these guys will leave your ass. These players are not loyal to these teams now…they’ll leave your ass in a minute.” [13:10]
• Ocho compares Harper’s situation to James Harden in OKC—stuck as a bench star “until he went to Houston, where he was the dog.”
• The hosts agree: if teams want to keep rising stars, they must “handle these guys with kid gloves”—the era of taking loyalty for granted is over.

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4. How to Build a Winner: Timing & Maximizing Rookie Deals

Timestamps: [11:03]–[14:33]

• The window for winning is tight when your stars are on rookie contracts—after that, money tightens, and rosters must be juggled.
• Ocho: “You have to maximize. When you got great players on them rookie contracts, bro, you gotta do whatever you can…” [14:12]
• The Chiefs’ NFL strategy is used as a parallel: surround the QB with talent before the massive payday hits.

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5. The Big Man Carousel: Who Wants to Join Wimby in San Antonio?

Timestamps: [18:48]–[22:29]

• San Antonio’s reputation grows as a destination for big men; rumors swirl about multiple NBA bigs trying to join, notably stretch bigs like Rui Hachimura.
• Joe: “Multiple big men are already trying to get to South Texas…Do you like Rui playing alongside Wimby?” [18:48]
• Hosts want San Antonio to target a “dog”—a physical enforcer, not just skill and finesse: “You need that muscle, that intimidating factor.”
• Ocho: “You need somebody who can come in, throw some elbows... Put somebody on the ground a few times, bro.” [20:53]

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6. Contract Explosion: Fox, Jokic, and the Price for Stardom

Timestamps: [03:02], [23:32]–[25:23]; [57:47]–[64:59]

• Focus on staggering new contracts—Jokic set to get “four years, $293 million,” which “would be $72–$73 million a year.” [24:01]
• Brief on Trae Young declining his $49M player option to seek longer-term security elsewhere.
• Ocho: “He opts out so he can restructure and get him a whole new deal…Hey, it’s smart.” [58:54]
• Washington is discussed as a possibly strong (if unheralded) team with the right deals.

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7. Who Gets to Be the Face of the League? The Wemby/Brunson/Isaiah Thomas Debate

Timestamps: [30:19]–[39:08]

• Isaiah Thomas questions why the NBA is pushing Wimby as the face over “little guys” like Jalen Brunson, echoing old gripes about Jordan being anointed in his time.
• Joe: “But it takes more than just beating people to be the face of a league.” [31:28]
• Ocho: “The upside that Wemby has…being only 22 years old, I can see why the NBA wants him to be the face.” [31:53]
• They agree: It’s about “the ‘it’ factor” and media savvy—Anthony Edwards named as someone who “has that.”

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8. On Vulnerability & Championship Emotions:

Timestamps: [39:08]–[43:10]

• The panel discusses Josh Hart's claim that the Knicks saw the Spurs as "food" after seeing Wimby cry post-victory.
• Uncle Joe: “You can't show that kind of emotion…The job is not done.” [39:17]
• Ocho: Defends Wimby’s emotion, emphasizing the grind to take down the champs at age 22.
• They explore athletes’ vulnerability (Jordan and Kobe’s championship tears) and the burden of public expectation on young stars.

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9. On Sacrifice, Obsession, and the Loneliness of Greatness

Timestamps: [45:58]–[53:00]

• A thoughtful, personal riff on what makes greatness possible—obsessive work, single-minded focus, and the inherent loneliness at the pinnacle.
• Joe (on loving your sport): “The reason why he [Jordan] loved basketball so much is because it’s loyal. Because he knows what he gives to it, it’ll give back to him.” [45:98]
• Ocho: “The 1% of 1 percenters—they’re the 1 percenters.” [47:42]
• Joe (on obsession): “Hard work doesn’t guarantee you anything. But without it, you got no chance at all.” [48:29]
• The “secret” to falling in love, in sports or life: “Two smart people can't fall in love. One has to be an idiot...To fall in love with something you can't control, you gotta be an idiot to fall in love.” [49:52]

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10. TV Rights & The Business of Basketball

Timestamps: [66:05]–[68:19]

• Sharp business analysis on why big networks and streaming services (Netflix, Amazon) will drive up rights costs—money and competition keep salaries rising.

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Notable Quotes

• Ocho: “If I turn it over once or twice, they taking me out…Freedom, you know what I mean? That’s the difference when you can play kind of loosey-goosey.” [17:53]
• Joe: “Players are not loyal to these teams now…They’ll take that four year deal and in three years they’re back…” [13:10]
• Uncle Joe: “The best ability is availability. Young Bull hurt every year. Can you give us 70 games?” [62:37]
• Ocho: “The moral of the story is we all some damn idiots, okay?” [51:18]
• Joe: “Hard work doesn’t guarantee you anything. But without it, you got no chance at all.” [48:29]

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Memorable Moments

• The extending riff on “falling in love” with the game, and why “faith is the unknown.”
• Josh Hart’s trash talk about Wimby’s emotion being a sign of Spurs’ weakness—a direct challenge to NBA “show no weakness” culture. [39:08]
• The candid, inside-the-locker-room talk about money, loyalty, and agents; how the modern NBA is different from even a decade ago.

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Conclusion

The Nightcap crew delivers a lively, honest, and unsparing look at the NBA landscape—salary crunches, star power, culture shifts, and big business all in the mix. This episode provides sharp analysis with plenty of personality and first-person insight, ideal for NBA fans and anyone interested in the player’s perspective on how teams really work behind the scenes.

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[Joe]

According to ESPN's Mike Wright, the Spurs are committed to De' Aaron Fox. The spurs remain committed to Fox as their franchise Starting point guard. One rough series, essentially playing on one leg doesn't change that. The four year, $229 million contract extension Fox signed last summer.

[Ocho]

Click.

[Joe]

Said kicks in next. Next summer. So he goes from 37.1 to 49.8. He's scheduled to make $61 million in the final year of the deal. In 2930, he'll be just 32 years of age.

[Uncle Joe]

It is.

[Joe]

It's expected that calls for Harper's camp for a spot in the starting lineup. Will grow louder and louder going into next season. But it's not an issue San Antonio needs to address right now. Fox contract won't become a potential eyesore until Wemby's upcoming rookie extension kicks in. And when the spurs are looking the next summer to extend Castle. What should be a max deal. Joe, it's a great thing to have young talent. We saw this with okc. They get Shay done, You get J Dub done. You get Chet done. But damn. And okay, you just gave Fox his money. Wendy gonna want his money. Castle gonna want his money. Something you have to do with Harper. You can't have four guys on the max contract. I don't give a damn how well you win it.

[Uncle Joe]

How many. How many can you.

[Ocho]

Probably three at the.

[Joe]

Three.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Three at the most. But.

[Joe]

And then you're gonna end up having to get off one of them.

[Ocho]

But at the same time, if I'm saying Antonio, you know, you kind of ride it to the. To, you know, Fox, I mean, for the next couple years. Cause you're gonna be able to pay Wimby, you'll be able to play Castle. But when Harper come up, somebody ass got to go. Somebody got to go. It's just period point blank. I'm saying.

[Tab Ramos]

Hold on.

[Ocho]

You're gonna have to pay him max dollars. You can't have four max guys on your team. Ojo.

[Joe]

Yeah. You be in the second tier, you be playing more, you be paying more and bonus and penalties that you want salaries.

[Uncle Joe]

Fox would be going by that time and you just. You should.

[Ocho]

Yeah, well, I mean, you gotta.

[Joe]

But that's what I'm saying they're gonna have. They would have to move off one of them. That's what Joe is saying they're gonna have. Hey, you can't have four. The max you could have is three. And then when you have three, because I think OKC is gonna lose Wallace. Wallace is gonna want. Gonna want big bucks. Somebody gonna pay Wallace big bucks. A guy that can shoot the three. A guy that can defend like that. Joe, they can't.

[Ocho]

I think. I think they probably gonna lose Dork versus I think they're gonna try to keep Wallace on.

[Joe]

How you gonna keep it, Joe? He gonna want 25 million a year,

[Ocho]

man, if I'm okay. See, it's gonna be hard to let Wallace go, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, you have. How you got a choice, Joe. You remember now you still got those three first round picks that you need to do something with. You have to let them go. You have to trade. Oh, yeah, you got one, and you got Caruso on big bucks and no whammy and you got heart. What you gonna do? You go, let Hartenstein go.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, at some point, man, you go, you go. Some. Some of them got. I think the. The most disheartening thing with. With OKC is that they. They were hampered with injuries throughout this whole post season. So you never really got to see what they were like at full strength. So I don't count them out. I still think, you know, they got a chance if they healthy, if J Dub can stay healthy. But damn, to lose Wallace and Dork, those are your blue collar, hardworking guys, bro. If you lose them two here, damn.

[Joe]

Well, you. Well, you're gonna lose. Door. You're not gonna pay. Door, I think you. You're not gonna pay. Dort. He gonna be looking for 20 something, man. You're not paying him that there. And while it's gonna be a wanting 20, 25 million, I don't see them paying him that there. Especially when you got Caruso on the number that you got him on. I see you, bro.

[Ocho]

I see you. I think I. I think when you look at it, if I'm Casey Wallace, you know? Cause, man, it ain't always. It ain't always a given that when you go to another team, bro, that you gonna shine like you think you are. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Like, would they pay me my money? Would they pay me that 20? Would they pay me that five year? 125. Okay. That's what. Yeah, it looked good to me. Hey hey, Jay. Because I know a guy named Joe Johnson. Say, hey, man, you know, hey, Phoenix, don't message what's over here, because there's something over there. I don't know if we gonna win in Atlanta like we do in Phoenix, but I came up with a single pay home. I need to go get that.

[Ocho]

I knew we weren't gonna win like that. But see, here's the thing. When you are unrestricted or when you're a restricted free agent, it's like they'll tell all the teams. Oh man, y' all might not want to pay Joker. We gonna match anything that y' all gonna give him. So that's to scare off. That's to scare the other teams off so they can come in and lowball you. You know what I mean?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So it's times where you do like me doing my negotiation period. I had to get on the phone. Me and my agent aren't telling. We on the phone with Robert Salver and I had to tell him, hey, look, bro, don't match, bro. Just let me go, bro. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

So Joe, where is this new at? Joe, don't you tell that girl he ain't gonna do what I do for you. We do that all the time. Oh, you, oh, you think that man gonna take you on trips? You think he gonna buy you flower and buy these nice ass purses like me?

[Ocho]

Listen, hey, I'm gonna be honest with you. I didn't really want to have to do it, but my agent was like, man, you're gonna have to get on the phone with him and tell him not to match. Cause I. They scaring teams off. You feel what I'm saying? So in case and Wallace situation, we don't really know what he really thinking.

[Joe]

Do.

[Ocho]

Do guys want to get paid? Yes. But I think situation matters too. You know what I mean? To some degree.

[Joe]

Joe, let me ask you a question. Had you won a ring already in Phoenix, it have been a no brainer, wouldn't it? You wouldn't even thought twice, cuz you already got a championship. How many more championships I need? Is that going to change the way people look at me? Casey Waller said, if I win two championships in okc, are people looking at me like they look at. Are there people looking at me if they look like they look at Jalen Brunson? If I he get two. Absolutely not. Let me go ahead and take this one and go get.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying and I respect that too. But I think the chemistry and continuity that some of these guys have with each other and these teams brought. I think some of these guys, you know, they don't necessarily want to leave Uncle Ocho, but if the money is too, it's too good. Hey, I mean, you ain't got no choice.

[Joe]

Look at what Caruso made. I think Caruso make damn near 30 million a year. They're gonna give him a comparable. Somebody gonna give him five years. 125, 150, Joe.

[Ocho]

Okay, see?

[Joe]

Yeah, okay, see?

[Ocho]

Gotta make some changes. Now they gotta make some changes.

[Joe]

Yeah. 19:5. So if Caruso make 19:5 on a deal that he got paid Caruso when he did, he just redid that deal. That right? Four years, 81. What is Wallace gonna get? Wallace is younger.

[Ocho]

You get by. He get about a hundon.

[Joe]

Yes, sir. So you. So you gonna have two guys coming off the bench making a damn near 100 million, huh?

[Ocho]

That's gonna be. That's gonna be tough, man. That's gonna be tough. But, hey, look, when you look at it in San Antonio situation, you know, you can afford to, you know, pay Fox that these first. These next couple years, hopefully you win a title out of it, and then you have a situation. I see you got a situation to where you like, damn, we done won a title, so we can't let Harper get out of here. Gotta pay Castle. Hell, women gonna break the bank. You gonna be a team full of G leaguers.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, but that. But you. It's a blessing and a curse because you're like, okay, the guys that we drafted, they're really, really good, and they're paying off, but guess what? We got to pay them in order to keep them. And that's what OkC, okay, he's like, hey, when they trade for Trey, they knock it out of part with J Dub. They get Check, they get Wallace, they make great trades, and they get Hardenstein, and they get a Caruso. You get Isaiah Joe, you get all those guys, you're like, well, damn, boy, we doing okay. I want to call you up, call you up. Clay Bennett, call you and say, hey, bro, look at this. This was going out. They were coming in. Now, either you find another way to make some more come in, or guess what's gonna go out.

[Ocho]

And. And when you look at it, it's. It's just like football. Uncle Ocho, the quarterback, when he on that rookie. When he on that rookie contract, you gotta maximize. You gotta maximize. You got to pay them guys around him, hopefully, and he can get you that. Same thing with San Antonio. You got Wimby and Harp on these rookie deals, and you ain't gotta pay them right now, so you gotta try to maximize what you can get from them or put the. Put the right pieces around them so you can try and win a title. Cause when you have to start paying these dudes, things start to get different, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah. Cause Castle by the. Castle about to get on. Castle about to get on. After that, he gonna get.

[Ocho]

Boy, he gonna get by.250

[Joe]

women gonna get about 2 by 300 they will

[Ocho]

get women get about 320 and then,

[Joe]

and then, and then Harper coming behind it. So that goes 10 increase. So that'd be about 3:30. Harper gonna make more than Wimy if he no Wimby. Because Wimby's been on all NBA selection and, and a dpo. You need to get one of those titles. You need to be an all NBA or you need to be a, a a all defensive player. Now you get to be into that supermax. Jaylen Duran, Remember he made 13 all NBA so now he's eligible for a super. Now if you're with without that, he's probably 250 with that now you talking 293 10.

[Ocho]

Hey boy. Hey, it's. Hey, it's good boy.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Ocho]

When it's. When it's good, it's good. You hear me?

[Joe]

But here's the thing though. How long? Because they say Harper's in his camp now. Hey, this is what's being reported. Of all the things they could have put out there. He said he gonna want to edit reporting that he gonna want a spot and that starting lineup. Yeah, that's what's being reported.

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[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. What he reports coming from you already know.

[Uncle Joe]

Inside the house. Inside the house.

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But hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

Even with them report, Joe uncle just said what, what did the spurs say? We are committed to keeping who okay?

[Joe]

And the first check and guess what, you keep, you keep putting your foot down, these guys will leave your ass. It ain't like it used to be, Joe. Before, like probably that, that, that, that group before you got there where they, these players are loyal. These players are not loyal to these teams. Now they'll leave your ass in a minute. They'll take that four year deal and in three years they're back and they're able to sign a five year deal. So you keep on a. And that's what makes it so tough to coach in today's time. You've got to handle these guys with kick gloves. You actually think they holding the hope down or something. Because if you don't,

[Ocho]

hey, and think about it. For San Antonio, hell, two key guys on their team, Versailles and Champagne. Yeah, you want to keep them guys Ocho, but it's going to be hard to keep them.

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[Joe]

It's going hard because Vercel's a 3

[Ocho]

and D. Yeah,

[Uncle Joe]

that's a good problem to have though. It's a good problem to have early.

[Ocho]

But see the thing is you still get a chance to run it back next year. And not have to worry about all that. So, you know, hopefully they can get back to the promised land and have different results. But it's tough, man. You know, you have to maximize. When you got great players on them rookie contracts, bro, you gotta do whatever you can to maximize that and put great pieces around those guys.

[Joe]

And I think that's why it was. It was imperative you look at what Kansas City did with the homeboy Ocho. Think about it. They got a couple of years when he's on that rookie contract. And so now I can put. I can go out and get a Sammy Watkins. I can go out and get pieces and add around it.

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[Joe]

Because next year, that thing, that salary kicks in, it's gonna be 64 million a year for the next four years.

[Uncle Joe]

But you know what they're gonna do? They gonna play games and manipulate.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. He got 238 guaranteed. Damn. He already made by two something. He done made two.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe.

[Ocho]

Big.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

And he worked it, though. He worked. He worked.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. They keep advancing the ball. They gotta. They're gonna have to do something, but they're gonna have to do something with what you call them.

[Uncle Joe]

Who that?

[Joe]

With this. F. This. This. This bear is watching. Vesel offered some information that he didn't have to. That's what let the cat out of the bag. But he said that at different points in time this season, he was upset with the role that he was given. He didn't have to say that talking,

[Uncle Joe]

but we know that hunk, even if

[Georgia]

you didn't say it.

[Joe]

Yes, yes, right.

[Uncle Joe]

But most of the time, you don't hear a player's voice, their displeasure about the role that they play.

[Joe]

All right? And so now he's like, hold on. I can make a case. Throughout the five games, I was the second best player, and there were some nights I was the best player on the Spurs. And I'm coming off the bench and guys are gagging left and right, and I'm still sitting on the bench and guys are still playing more beats than me.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, when you think about it, if I'm Harper, I don't want the James Harden effect. Meaning, like, you know, when James was in okc, yeah, he was a hell of a player. But he came off the bench his entire tenure in okc, and obviously when he went to Houston, he turned into somebody who probably nobody even seen. You know what I mean? I think Harper. No, I think Harper has the exact same type of talent, bro.

[Joe]

So hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, hold on, Joe. Hold on, Joe. Now let's understand how great James Harden was at his apex when he was in Houston. Are you saying Harper had that same potential to do the same thing?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think. I think he got that same type of potential.

[Joe]

Oo yeah, okay, but you have to understand the OO he wasn't allowed to play like that in KC he went to Houston where he was the dog and so they gave him the ball and you got an opportunity to see what he can do as the lead dog and he could get as many shots as he want. And they had guys around him, they. That would defend and rebound and get the ball.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, but. But for, for Joe to say he sees similar similarities and thinking that he can do that if he wasn't on the Spurs.

[Ocho]

Hey, that oo. Oo. You put Dylan Harper in that role Cooper Flag got in Dallas to where he the man.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, that boy put up at least

[Ocho]

a dub a night, 22, 23 a night as a rookie. I think. I just think he has that type of talent. See, it's different when you go out there and play and you know you can shoot whenever. Versus damn. I come out here, I got. I feel like I gotta. Every shot I take, I feel like I gotta make.

[Joe]

It's gotta be official or they're gonna snatch.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Uncle Joe]

Right, right.

[Ocho]

I ain't got no time. If I turn it over once or twice, they taking me out. You know what I mean? You ain't got to worry about that.

[Uncle Joe]

Come see. Hey, come.

[Ocho]

Hey, there you go.

[Uncle Joe]

Over here. Sit by me.

[Joe]

Just remember, Ocho, how it was with you when you didn't have to worry about if you made a mistake. The coach is yelling and screaming or they bringing you out for a play to say, hey, son, that ain't what we. That ain't what we do. When you know, I could just go play football.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes.

[Joe]

If I made a mistake, I made a mistake. If I dropped the pass, I dropped the pass. You were free, your mind free and you could just.

[Ocho]

Nothing like that, bro. Nothing like that. Freedom, you know what I mean? Because now you can go out there and play kind of loosey goosey versus when you on a star studded team, a team with expectations of winning a title and you playing with arguably one of the bet. Not arguably, but one of the best players in the league.

[Joe]

It's a.

[Ocho]

It's a little different, bro. It's a little different.

[Joe]

Very, very, very different. Also for Mike Wright's article. Multiple NBA big men reportedly trying to find a way to play alongside Wimy on the Spurs. San Antonio could use a back, a backup stretch big as it reloads for next season. And the combo stretch big man who can start and possibly play alongside Rui in bigger matchups such as Rui Hachimura. The opportunity to play alongside Wimby. The franchise success, its culture is collective. Youth make San Antonio a preferred destination and no tax in Texas, adding that multiple big men are already trying to get to South Texas. Joe, do you like Wimby playing? Excuse me? Do you like Rui playing alongside Wimby?

[Ocho]

If you got Rui, then that mean you gotta move.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

The sale of champagne.

[Joe]

You gonna move, you gonna move? Probably champagne. But he's a big guy. He's a big guy. He can guard bigger guys. He can shoot the three.

[Uncle Joe]

Ruby don't want to go back to la, man.

[Joe]

LA A gonna have no money if they looking at potentially Kessler or. You hear him. You hear rumblings about Duran and Officer Reeves? Nah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, look, listen. I was very pleased with how Rui played in the postseason this year for the Lakers. I thought. I thought he was probably the most consistent player on the Lakers team. Being honest, you know, outside of LeBron, I think he was the most consistent when it came to shooting at a high efficiency rate, you know, playing the right way. I think he'll fit right in with the spurs, honestly. You know what I mean? But I think. I think the spurs need a. They need a. They need a dog. They need an animal coming off that bench to help Wimby too. Arkin Ocho, meaning they definitely need a big.

[Joe]

That can give him some minutes on.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you might.

[Joe]

Because his thing is, the problem with Wimby had Joe is that we talked about it only playing 30, 32 minutes. And now we get to the post season, it's harder. And I need you to play 36, 38, 40.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Now what?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I get that. I think even. Even if you look at Detroit situation, because I think they gonna really go with Paul Reed because of the way he played in the postseason. And you might get off a big steward, you know, a dog like that, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe he go over there to San Antonio to help. Cause you need that. You need that muscle, that intimidating factor. You know what I mean? I just don't think. Yeah, I don't think San Antonio had that, bro. The way they were whooping Wimby ass out there. Like you need somebody who can come in, throw some elbows you know, not, you know, not for real. Ojo. Put him put somebody on the ground a few times, bro. You need that

[Uncle Joe]

set the tone a little bit.

[Joe]

I. I definitely think that. Cause Cornet did get. Look, Cornette was great in the regular season. Cornette made one good play. He did that block on Hardenstein and I think he was content with that. But in that series, that five game

[Ocho]

series, Cornet, he was bro.

[Joe]

And he was off of the majority of the time against the Thunder. He did make that play. Kudos to that. But more times than not, Cornette was.

[Ocho]

It was olay. It was olay when he came in the game. Boy.

[Joe]

Yep. It'd be interesting to see because you know the Nuggets got to do something with Aaron Gordon now. Aaron Gordon is a phenomenal player. He's turned himself into a. He can't. The hamstrings Joe. Every year for the last couple of years, Joe. What we've seen hamstring puts him down significant periods of time. It happened until the playoff year before last. It happened again this year. He missed a large chunk of the season with that hamstring. He got to the postseason. He got nicked again. That is concerning. If I'm going to have to dump out 35, 40 million dollars for a guy who over three days he a free agent.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

I think he has one year left. He's gonna want a deal.

[Ocho]

It's hard though if you the Nuggets to let him go. Obviously I know he hadn't been healthy.

[Joe]

But when he is and you know who else got one year left and he gonna want a deal.

[Uncle Joe]

Who?

[Joe]

That big fella, Yolk.

[Uncle Joe]

He up already.

[Ocho]

What we talking about get. Hey, give him a blank check here. What you want? That man out there having a triple double, bro. They gave him envy back to back years. Would nobody been mad if they gave

[Joe]

him mvp led the league in a system rebounds. The first time it's ever we've seen guys lead the league in assist and scoring. We've never seen a guy lead the league in rebounds and assists.

[Uncle Joe]

I think the league look like. Joe.

[Joe]

What? What your win.

[Ocho]

What you mean? Are we talking about his contract?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Gonna be by three something about probably about three.

[Uncle Joe]

32344 year three four year three something.

[Ocho]

No, it's gonna be five. They gonna give him a five year deal about 340. He gonna probably. He gonna probably reset the market

[Joe]

293 over four years. Which is about a little over 70

[Ocho]

a year you can get.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Four years, seven over 70.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, it would if. What if he was.

[Ocho]

That's about.

[Joe]

That's about. That's about 70. That's about 72 million a year. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Uncle Joe]

If he was to go somewhere else, he'd get Mojo.

[Joe]

No, because they can. See the thing is with your team, because they have your rights. They can offer you more than a new team. So that's how they try to stay in. It's the same thing with the franchise tag, Ocho. I can pay you more if you stay here than if you go somewhere else. So the home team can add an extra year where the other team that you're going to, they can't. And.

[Ocho]

And knowing Denver. Ain't no way in hell, Ocho, they letting that man get out the door.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I mean, obviously not being that he's obviously the face of the franchise, but I was just curious, number wise, because, you know, if an NFL player get away from it, get away from a team that he's on and you, you the star, you getting way more elsewhere as opposed to what they gonna get.

[Joe]

That's 70. Was 73. 293 would be 70. 70. Like 72, 73 five a year. 72, 73 three. Something like that. 72. 250. 293. 73. 250. Look at old Ash with a calculator over there. It's 73, 250, ash. 293.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

Yeah, but it. This San Antonio thing, Joe, you know how that can cause some problems? Because his agent said, hold on, we need numbers. Cause we gonna want a max deal. Cause what y' all gonna come and say when it comes time to contract? You only average this. You only play this many minutes. You use everything. You saying you're gonna use that against me? You. You not going to say? Well, you know what, Dylan? You were a good soldier. You came off the bench. You didn't complain. We going to give you the max anyway. That's not what you're going to do. So what I'm not going to allow y' all to do is to go ahead and hold me back.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And as great as he is, you know, being 20 years old, bro, he's only going to get better. Uncle Ocho.

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Hedy. She starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon. Do you know a lot about him?

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I mean, I watch the Aviator so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed me to know about him. But incredible innovator, right?

[Karen]

She says he's a quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well. Give us I know they do get along intellectually and in fact she helps him design a faster plane. She takes a look at what he's designed. It's got these square wings and she's like, that doesn't make sense. And so she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of like what the two would look like as a plane and that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy and Lamarr and Billie Jean King.

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[Joe]

Isaiah Thomas questions why the league continues to push Wemby over Jalen Brunson as face of the NBA. That was the question I was asking in Detroit when we beat Bird, Magic and Jordan. But they made Jordan the face of the league. Here in Detroit. They're saying, why can't I be the face of the league? Why is there anyone elevated above? When you see him three, four years in a row beating your face of the leagues when you ask that question, it's much deeper question in terms of who they want to be the face of the league. Who's the best?

[Ocho]

The small guy.

[Joe]

We always have to take a step back because we realize it's small people. And that's six, six and above category. Bad out there. We'll let that man, hey, I'm a call Z. You got to come over here and explain.

[Ocho]

You see hey Zeke, say damn that I'm the only one. I'm one of the only ones who has a winning record against Michael Jordan. I'm gonna tell y' all how I

[Joe]

really feel against Bird, against Magic and Kareem. He's like, look, I beat Larry Bird. I beat Magic and Kareem. I beat Michael Jordan. I'm the only one that can say that. Nobody else can say they beat all three of them in their prime. I did.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, but Uncle Joe. But Uncle Joe Listen, listen, listen to me. I think players. People need to understand you beating certain individuals, you know, when you playing. Okay, It's a great thing, but it takes more than just beating people to be the face of a league.

[Joe]

What they say. What do you say?

[Uncle Joe]

You say it's more to it than

[Joe]

just that he said. I thought so. It's about. What is it about? I thought you said winning championships. Well, I beat those guys to win the championship.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, that's not that.

[Joe]

That's not what it is.

[Ocho]

I mean. I mean, you look at the upside that Wemby has, bro, being only 22 years old, I. I just. I can see why the NBA wants him to be the face. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

And he global, though.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. You know what? And you got a lot of players, too. Like, you know, Isaiah. Was Isaiah quiet? Was he quiet? He just seemed like a quiet person, man.

[Joe]

Isaiah stated some stuff. He did. I bet Isaiah was fighting. Man, y' all better go them tapes and look at Isaiah swinging on people left and right.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he. He just doesn't seem like that.

[Tab Ramos]

That.

[Uncle Joe]

That type of polarizing figure that could be the.

[Joe]

Oh, he was very polarizing because Isaiah was staged.

[Ocho]

Oo oo ain't gonna lie now the boy got hit. The boy had plenty of game now

[Joe]

oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen, I know he could play. I know he could play, Joe. But it's a lot of people in the NBA that can play that just don't fit the. The criteria for being the face of the league. Remember, we talk about Jayson Tatum being the face of the league. He just doesn't have that. There's a certain it factor. I don't even know how to explain it. I don't even know how to put it into words where it just doesn't fit because he didn't have that. You know what? Anthony Edwards, now, I can see him being the face of the league, but it's something he don't want. It's just something about him that's polarizing, that.

[Ocho]

It's having that media savvy. When you talk to the media, how you captivate everybody, everybody just really listen and hone in on what it is that you're saying. I think ant man has that, and he has that. I don't give a damn. You know what I mean? Like, Unc say he coming. He come to the game in his slides with his wife beat on. He ain't study nothing about that fashion stuff all y' all long, bro. That man just out. He come to Hoop. Yeah, that's it.

[Joe]

And remember, Isaiah was president of the union, so he going back and forth. We want this, we need that. David Stern probably said no, you know what? Because Isaiah did. Isaiah wanted every level. Isaiah won at 81 national championship. Isaiah won. Isaiah won. They beat North Carolina. And North Carolina had a really good team, a really, really good team. But Isaiah team with him, I think Randy Whitman, Rolando Turner, they beat James Worthy, Jimmy Black. Not Jimmy Black. Al Wood. That was the guy. Al Wood, I think Matt Dardy and I think Sam Perkins was on that team. That, if I'm not mistaken, that was also the night they thought about canceling because Ronald Reagan got a. John Hinckley almost took Reagan out. Don't quote me on, but you can quote me, quote me, quote me, quote me. I'm almost certain that was 1981, Chad. Am I right?

[Uncle Joe]

Chat.

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[Ocho]

That's the year I was born.

[Joe]

1981. John Hinkley assassination attempt. And that was on that Monday. And they almost canceled the game. They ended up playing that Monday night. And Rolando Turner, that offseason, he ended up getting in the car accident and getting paralyzed. Ah, damn.

[Ocho]

The irony.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think that, I think that was, Was that the year? Oh, you ain't looking. Okay. But I, I think that was the year. So I, I, I rem. I remember Isaiah. Yeah, it was March 30, 1981. Who's on Isaiah's team? Give me Isaiah lineup, if I'm not mistaken. I know Isaiah. And Randy Webman and Rolando Turner. I don't remember the other two guys. I know Al Wood, Jimmy Black, if I'm not mistaken, came off the bench for Carolina.

[Ocho]

James Worthy, Perkins, you talking about when he was in Indiana.

[Joe]

Yes, because Isaiah left. Isaiah turned pro. Mark Aguirre was the first, if I'm not mistaken. I think Mark Aguirre was the first pick in that draft out of DePaul.

[Ocho]

Mark has some game, too, boy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, and when you think about it, you know, Isaiah Thomas was a little fiery, little feisty Landon turn.

[Joe]

What I say Rolando London was a

[Ocho]

fiery little, feisty little joker. Ocho. I, I, I think he took. Yeah, obviously, coming from Chicago, you know, it's probably how he was raised. But playing under that damn Bobby Knight.

[Uncle Joe]

Bobby Knight. Hey, Bobby Knight is a legend.

[Ocho]

I can only imagine what that's like, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, but like I said, and then Isaiah came in the league, and you know, it took him a while to get over BE Austin, Right, because it's like every year it was either Boston. It was in the beginning. It was the Sixers and the Celtics. Every year with the Sixers and the Celtics. Dr. J. Daryl Dawkins, Caldwell Jones, Bobby Jones, the Boston Strangler, Andrew Tony. He used to, like. He used to light him up. So they gave him the nickname the Boss Strangler. And then Isaiah Nim came along because it was like Lakers. It was like Lakers, Lakers, Rockets, Lakers, Lakers, Rockets, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers in the west, because you got to realize Magic went to the finals nine times in 12 years. Jesus. And so once they broke that stranglehold, Isaiah then broke that stranglehold with Boston. Now imagine them had to deal with Detroit, and it was Detroit. They lost in 88 to magic. Them. Then they came back and got magic number 89. And then Portland beat them. And then Portland got to the finals, and then Isaiah then beat them in 90. And then. Oh, Lord, that guy. To Wilmington. Six. Six from Chapel Hill. And that was it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, that was it.

[Ocho]

Good time.

[Joe]

But like you said, Ocho. Yeah. Little guys. I mean, maybe you could make the case for a small guy. Maybe the closest we've had. Or you say the place of the league has been Steph Curry, but most of the time, it's. It's a Jordan, it's a Kobe, it's a LeBron.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I don't know. Could it be a. Could it be somebody as small as Jalen Brunson? I'm sure it could be. But for the most part, if you go back and study, it hasn't been

[Ocho]

outside of probably AI. AI was so polarized. He changed.

[Joe]

Yeah, okay. I'll give you that.

[Ocho]

He changed. He.

[Joe]

But the problem was when Jordan came back, Jordan was the base of the league again. You got to realize, when AI came in the league, Jordan was in the league. Cause that was 96. AI got in 96. And so Jordan, 96, 97, 98. They won the championship. What? Nobody's supplanting Jordan. So maybe. So maybe that period when Jordan left. 99, 2000, something like that. But then probably like 2000. Now here comes Kobe. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Josh Hart said tonight that the Knicks knew the spurs were food after seeing Wimby cry when they beat okc. Wow.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you can't show that kind of emotion. I think a few other basketball players said, the job is not done. The job is not over. The task at hand, the ultimate goal is to win the. Win a championship. You know, that.

[Ocho]

That.

[Uncle Joe]

Larry o'. Brien. So to be crying because you're going to the final.

[Ocho]

I don't Know if, I don't know if it was crying because they were going to the finals. I think he was crying because they beat okc. Knowing how tough and challenging it was, knowing that they were the, the, the, the champions from last year. I think that's why he was.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And they got the MVP on the roster.

[Ocho]

There you go. Yeah. And Wimby probably feels slighted that he didn't win mvp. Yeah.

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[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

He said he used that as motivation. Yeah.

[Ocho]

So those emotions came out.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I understand, but.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. I mean, but at 22, Ocho. I mean, it's tough, bro. I mean, it's probably other cats who could have held them emotions in, but I just felt like they kind of took over. Like I heard him say in many press conferences, like he didn't really. He can't explain it, you know what I mean? Like, it's just something he dreamed of. You know what I mean? And I think that's the, that, that's the, the great part about sports, bro. Cause we all grew up whether it's y' all catching touchdowns, whether it's me counting the shot clock down, making the game winning shot and then for you to actually be in that situation and actually come through.

[Uncle Joe]

Right?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think it's very emotional. I think it's very emotional.

[Joe]

Yeah, I got it. And then he. 22, we don't know. I'm sure he'd understood that like, wow. Because I mean somebody. Some people had them in the play in tournament, some people had them, you know, fifth or sixth seed and here they are the number two seed and they took down the reigning defending champ with the reigning defending in MVP on the roster. They did that. I, I don't hold nobody's emotions against them because everybody does it differently. And I think the thing is that when you try to put obviously how you do certain things, you know, we all know how you do certain things. How you talk about your teammates and how you carry on, that's very, very important. But everybody deals with success differently.

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[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And some people, you know, like, hey, like, you know, some people, you know, cry. Like Jordan. Yeah. When Jordan won. And then he realized, like, you know what, man? And maybe it was because his father wasn't there to see himself.

[Ocho]

It was on Father's Day and you

[Joe]

see, and you see Kobe, Kobe got the trophy in his hand and he's just looking at it. And that was around the time that he and his mom them had stopped speaking. And all the things, all the thoughts that's going through his mind Some people, like, man, please, this is the time of my life.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I can't worry about who. Not here.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

Everybody handles a situation different.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I mean. I mean, Ocho, when you look at it, Jordan won a championship on Father's Day. You know what I mean? I think that's why it was so emotional for him. You just seen him break down ball and crying. Hell, I probably would have been the same way. I ain't gonna lie to you. If I was that close to my pops, bro. And he got murdered, man, I've been the same. We won on Father's Day. Come on, bro.

[Joe]

I mean. I mean, death is really never easy. That's the thing that, I mean, you have to really respect and love about death. If there's anything. Because it doesn't discriminate. Nope. It take young, it'll take old, it'll take rich, it'll take poor. It does not discriminate. Just know when you have that appointment, you can schedule it and dep. You know, and people, you. There's no way to prepare for it. Well, how do you prepare for it? We all know we're gonna die. It didn't make it any easier when it actually happens to your loved ones that you left behind. But it's the fashion in which Jordan, father.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Succumb. So sudden, man. 85, 90 years old, man. He had a great life, man. You can remember, but tragically, how somebody senselessly took that man's life. And you think, I'm Michael Jordan. I'm supposed to be able to insulate stuff like that. I should be able to insulate my family from that foolishness. There are some things I can't control. Cancer, I can't control. Kidney disease, liver disease, things like that. There are certain things. I don't care. They ain't enough money. But there are certain things I feel like my money, my fame, I should be able to insulate.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Don't know. And probably when whoever did this, you know, they. I'm not sure they even knew it was right until probably went to his wallet and took it. And they probably still didn't put two and two together. It was. It. It was sad. And I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe because I. I don't. I didn't really know anybody famous that father or mother had gotten like this. So what. What are we looking at? So what? Remember, it came on the news. Father of Michael Jordan killed. What first thing would you think? A traffic accident. Not murdered. Damn, man. And because he looked just like his dad. And how close they were. Think about it. Every time Jordan won something, he was right there. Now all of a sudden, I win three Pete, finish off a three P. Hadn't been done. 60, 67 Celtics.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, man, I. I think in certain situations, even when you look at Michael Jordan at 6 6, if you look at his parents, Uncle Ocho, hell, you probably could even go through his whole family tree. He probably ain't got nobody over six foot six, two. Cause you know what I mean? So I feel like, you know, in situations like that, man, it's almost destined, bro. Because the athletic that his brother Larry had and MJ had, like his brother probably was more athletic than him, but he was just a lot smaller.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

You know what I mean? Versus MJ getting six' six. Now he got this 45, I think they said, even 50 inch vertical. I mean, man, come on, bro.

[Joe]

And his desire to work ethic.

[Ocho]

And when you done took as many ass whoopings as he took from his brother coming up. Not the kind of like. Kind of like, oh, you take all them ass whoopings, you be ready. You be ready to dis them out.

[Joe]

When you get. Hey, hey, let me get. Hey, let me get somebody that's my size. I can whip them.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And you know, he, He. He told a story that. What do you say about basketball? The reason why he loved basketball so much is because it's loyal. Because he knows what he. What he gives to it. It'll give it back to him.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Joe]

I just, I just love to hear greats. Serena and Venus and Mike and Tom Brady. I love them because, you know, Ocho, weird. I say how great this is and it's lonely and everything. They don't want to hear from us. But we talk about the upper. This is the like the wealthy. Like, once you get the past, like that 50 billion. There's only a certain level of people. Well, when you get to that Jordan and Serena and Tiger and Jordan level, Tom Brady, Tiger Wood. There's only a certain level of people that have ever reached that crescendo. And to hear them talk about what it takes and the selfishness that is involved.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Then you get an appreciation.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes.

[Joe]

Just a little bit of success that I had. I knew what it took. What Nearly as great as those and never professed to be. But I knew in order. It is lonely and it is very mundane.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

And unless. And who can join what. What's the female equivalent of Jordan marrying someone that would actually know what he's going through?

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Because Serena, if she's 60 and she's a 23 time grand slam champ, she would know that. That's why movie stars normally marry other movie stars. Because they know what it's like to live that life. They know what it's like to jump in and out of character.

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[Ocho]

You see, hey, and the 1% of 1 percenters are the 1 percenters. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes. They're the zero point, whatever that point is. Like 99.9. They're that 000,000. Like 55. Zero.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

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[Uncle Joe]

You know what's funny? The numbers you just said. You know, there's a, there's a, there's a. There's another level above them too.

[Ocho]

Yeah. What's another level above them? Ojo. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

What? The elites.

[Joe]

God, when you talk, when you talk. Jordan and Serena and Tiger Woods.

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God,

[Joe]

you start looking at the stuffy graphs and things like that, man. I mean. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, think about me, the work that I mean, and everybody hear about George work ethic, how legendary was. You hear about Kobe, you hear about Serena and all the, the balls that they hit and their dad teaching them. He watching BCR tapes and teaching them how to swing and how to hit the backhand. And you hear about all the work ethic. And you hear about LeBron getting to the gym five hours early and getting up, workout in and getting shots up and to do that. And you think about this. You do all of that with no guarantee you ever gonna reach the level that you think you are. You do it on a hope that this is gonna pay off. And I tell people all the time, hard work doesn't guarantee you anything. But without it, you got no chance at all. You see, I read a quote a couple of days ago, guys, they said two people that are smart could never fall in love. One of them has to be an idiot to fall in love. See the fall in love. See the fall in love with a sport or to spawn fall in love with something that you cannot control.

[Tab Ramos]

Right.

[Joe]

You gotta be an idiot.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Joe]

That's it. That's it.

[Ocho]

That's it.

[Joe]

Thank you for joining us today for another episode.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hold on. Hey, hey. That's a good one.

[Ocho]

Write that down.

[Joe]

You got it. Because think about it, Joe. Think about all the work that you put in with no guarantee. I go to work every day. What about guaranteed I'm gonna get a salary at the end of the work period, work week. I. You work from the time you was 9, 10 years of age. All Titus get out as A matter of fact. Get out.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Uncle Joe]

Out.

[Joe]

You work for the time you was 9 or 10 years old. So you work 1212 years with no pay. Basketball didn't pay you a dime. Ocho. You worked from the time you was 10, 11 years old, and football never paid you a dime. You worked on a hope that everything that I put in this would pay off one day.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes.

[Joe]

There are many people that put just as much time, just as much effort in it, and it didn't pay off.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on. You got to bring me back to that question.

[Joe]

Two smart people can't fall in love, Ocho. One of them. If you fall in love, one of them have to be an idiot. You've got to be an idiot to fall in love.

[Uncle Joe]

Smart people can't fall in love.

[Ocho]

Hey, the moral of the story is we all some damn idiots, okay?

[Joe]

Yes, yes, yes. To fall in love with.

[Tab Ramos]

And.

[Joe]

And Jordan said it. Go back and look at some of his quotes. He said, I fell in love with this because it's the only thing I know would love me back.

[Ocho]

I gotta use that one.

[Joe]

You do.

[Tab Ramos]

It's.

[Joe]

It's more than an obsession. It's. It's more than a commitment. It's a singular focus because people say, well, plan A and plan B. What's your plan B? Well, if plan B was going with so prob, it would be plan A. I ain't got no plan B. I got a plan A.

[Ocho]

It's a lot of. That's a lot of cats out here too.

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[Uncle Joe]

To fall in love, someone has to be an idiot. To fall in love with something.

[Joe]

Two smart people can't fall in love. Oo. One of them has to be an idiot. So that's. That's how it works.

[Ocho]

That is.

[Joe]

That's.

[Ocho]

That's.

[Joe]

That's the only way it can work. Faith. The Bible teaches us, say you're supposed to have faith. Faith is the unknown. But believing, you see, man says, show me, I'll trust you. God say, trust me, I'll show you. You see the difference?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

One what, man? Oh, I would trust. Okay. Blindly trust. I say you put your faith in.

[Uncle Joe]

Mm. I'm still stuck on that first one. I ain't heard that one.

[Joe]

I knew. I knew. I knew you was gonna love that one.

[Uncle Joe]

I like that. I like that one,

[Joe]

Josh. Oh, man. All right, Wimby. You let him see your weakness.

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[Karen]

We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamarr.

[Georgia]

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[Karen]

Hedy. She starts dating Howard Hughes, the aviation tycoon. Do you know a lot about him?

[Georgia]

I mean, I watch the Aviator so I know everything Leonardo DiCaprio has allowed me to know about him. But incredible innovator, right?

[Karen]

She says he's a quote, very strange man. But they do get along really well. Give us I know they do get along intellectually and in fact she helps him design a faster plane. She takes a look at what he's designed. It's got these square wings and she's like, that doesn't make sense. And so she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of like what the two would look like as a plane and that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy and Lamarr and Billie Jean King.

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[Karen]

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[Joe]

Button up. All right Joe. According to Mark Spears, Trey Young plans to decline his 49 million dollar player option for the 2026 season and become a free agent on Monday. Washington remains the front runner for the four time NBA All Star as he loves the team and D.C. but he still expect multiple team max interest. What do you think about. I don't think anybody surprised. I mean one year versus opting back in, he can get a five year deal. I don't think he. Well he don't have bird right. So he, he just got there. So I don't know. Can they, can they offer him a five year deal or is it a four?

[Ocho]

That's what I'm not, I'm not sure. I think, I think because he's been there I think he should be able to get a five year deal. I'm not sure.

[Uncle Joe]

But hey, please explain it. Say what you just said. He, he opted out of his play option. How much was his play option?

[Joe]

49 million.

[Ocho]

Like 40. 49 million.

[Uncle Joe]

You opt out of 49 million because

[Joe]

it's one year and I want to get in for four years at 190 million or 200 million or five years for 250.

[Ocho]

Basically. He won a new contract with multiple years.

[Joe]

Just this one.

[Uncle Joe]

So.

[Ocho]

Yeah, and. And knowing that he's probably gonna get it, you know what I mean, Considering that this is his last year. So he had, he had an option. He opting out so he can restructure and do it and get him a whole new deal, you know. Hey, hey, it's smart. I think it's smart. I think it's smart on his behalf considering the fact that they gonna have a number one pick which is probably gonna be AJ So you still got time before you have to pay AJ and then you can kind of see how this works out.

[Joe]

You got at least three years.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You got Trey, Anthony Davis and A.J. debaska. I don't know what people talking about, man. I feel like Washington with them three dudes alone. Plus they got other guys, you know, they got, they got some more talent over there in Washington. They can help. But I can see them making the playoffs next year again. Ojo the wizard.

[Joe]

Half of you and Ocho, are they going to keep Anthony Davis? Because I think more team. He would probably have a high interest from a Golden State or somebody that have championship aspirations.

[Ocho]

I'm saying is he ain't no free agent though.

[Joe]

No, no. But could you, could you draft capital or do you want to keep him with Trey Young, obviously he can pick, pick a roll would be unbelievable. Him and Trey, obviously he can pick and pop. Obviously he can roll. Great live threat. He's got a nice mid range game play, outstanding defense. You're going to need that because Trey is a little undersized. He's. He's at a disadvantage. We understand that. So the question is, does he have more valuable to Washington or would he have more valuable to somewhere else where you can get draft capital for him?

[Ocho]

Now I, I think if I'm Washington, I'm. I gotta at least try it out for a year. Uncle Ocho, I mean considering the fact that, that you got a nice big. Who you can play next to him. What's the big they got over there? The big fella. I think he was like number two in the draft.

[Joe]

Oh no. Star. You talking about star? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

You got him and he made leaps and bounds last year. So I think he'll be even better going into his third season. But I just think man, they got enough talent over there to where they can make some noise in the Eastern Conference. I don't really. Hey, I don't want to see, I don't want to See, these guys like, like, for instance, I don't want to see Giannis in the Western Conference.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't.

[Ocho]

I really don't. Nah, I don't.

[Uncle Joe]

Why not, Joe?

[Ocho]

Because the west is such a gauntlet, Ocho. I mean, it's so they stack and they, they, not only are they top heavy, but the, the teams that's in the middle and at the bottom, they gonna continue to get better. I just feel like it's gonna be such a dog fight over there and kind of like how Minnesota and San Antonio and okc, how they beat, they said how they beat each other up to the finals. Like, I just feel like if he stay in the Eastern Conference, you have a better chance. That's just me. I feel like you got a better chance of making it to the finals. The east ain't, it's, it ain't really top if it's got a few good teams. Obviously, the Knicks, you know, you want to Boston be good, especially if they get Giannis and then you send JB to Atlanta, we gonna be probably third best team in the Eastern Conference, baby.

[Joe]

Alex Sar. That's his name, Alex Sar. He's a Frenchman. Yeah, they have Frenchmen go one and

[Ocho]

yeah, Alex Sar, they got some talent. They, Washington got some talent, man. I'm telling you.

[Joe]

Okay, so it's good. It's good. Look, the question is, how many more years does AD have on his contract? Because he probably gonna be looking for a new deal. Ocho and ISO,

[Ocho]

he gonna have to. He got to show us something. I mean, can he come in, can he come in the camp in shape?

[Joe]

But I, I, I feel more comfortable coming in shape with a new three, four year deal.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hold on. Hey, Joe. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. The best availability is availability. Young Bull hurt every year. What we talking about? He'll be happy with a new 3, 4 year old. Can we stay healthy for a season? Can you give us 70 games? You ain't got to give us 82. Can you give us 70?

[Ocho]

That what I'm saying.

[Joe]

But you heard the report, though. He's not happy being there. Y' all have heard the reports. I ain't breaking no news to anybody.

[Ocho]

But he don't even know, though I

[Joe]

do know it's D.C. i don't want to be in D.C. they haven't won anything since, what, 78, 79?

[Ocho]

You got a good team. They got a decent team around you.

[Joe]

I feel better. I feel better in Golden State. How about this? We get, hey, we get y' all our first round picking Jimmy Butler. Y' all give us ad.

[Ocho]

Man, ain't that Jimmy Butler got an ac? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We ain't. No, we ain't going. We ain't going. Cause look, if you gonna pay Trey, man, you can, you can't have that man out there trying to figure it out by himself. He needs some special help over there too.

[Joe]

And you got song.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Uncle Joe]

but Jimmy coming off acl,

[Ocho]

he don't care. He don't care. He won't see what UNC want. He want all them to team. He want Braun and 80 and all them up.

[Joe]

But the reports look like LeBron is going back to LA.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh yeah.

[Ocho]

I don't know.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on. How they gonna do that? How they gonna pay re.

[Joe]

Don't start me to lie. Don't start.

[Uncle Joe]

Matter of fact, how they gonna pay Braun? A respectable number that is willing to play on and pay Austin Reed? Or is Austin Reeves gonna take a pay cut just to keep the band together?

[Joe]

I don't see Austin Reeves taking no pay cut.

[Ocho]

Me neither.

[Joe]

He turned, he turned out an extension this, this past offseason to get to this point. Hey, Brunson, every year he's averaged more points than the previous year. He's not going to take what they got to do. He knows there are other teams out there that is willing to give him a four year max extension.

[Uncle Joe]

Brunson took a pay cut.

[Ocho]

What they got to do with me if I'm ar. I'm like, what they got.

[Uncle Joe]

Are you trying to win or not?

[Ocho]

Man, I'm trying to get that money on. Hey, you talking about am I trying to win? I'm trying, I'm trying to secure the bag. What you mean?

[Joe]

But you got. But, but see, here's the thing. The problem that you have with that is that you. You gotta. Agents are gonna. Gonna tell the clients. No, because what you do is that you suppress the market. Remember how many people did. Tom Brady was another one. Because what happened in New England if Tom Brady Only making 10 million, I'd have been to 10. I'm a 10 time all pro. How can I pay you more than Tom Brady? Quarterback Robinson, look what time is getting. How are we going to pay you more than that? He's the best quarterback in the game. So this is why baseball players and a lot of time, basketball players, you get an isolated incident like Jalen Brunson, but most of the times they won't let you do it because they want that thing to keep climbing. Keep climbing and the only way you can keep it climbing is you don't give guys a discount. The same reason, okay, TV contracts. CBS lost their deal because they was like, you know what? We want to pay you a little less. And Jerry Jones said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We understand y' all been in this thing for 50 years, but you know what? There's that new network and they only got the Simpson and Living Color and News, they willing to give us X.

[Uncle Joe]

That's Fox.

[Joe]

And what happened? So they don't cut. Now they might cut you a little discount. If you go in, they still got what, three? Plus they got 26, 27, 28, 29, 30. They still got five years on the deal. They say, you know what? You know, give us a little bump in pay, you know, make it right. You don't flip that thing. You don't flip it. Add a little five years to it, we might shut y'. All. Yeah, cut your little 200 million a year off.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe]

probably not. Because guess what? Netflix, right there in the cut, they already rubbing their hand like Birdman.

[Uncle Joe]

They waiting.

[Joe]

So, yeah, what are you gonna do? Well, I mean, if you like somebody, some major network is going to lose their TV rights because they don't have Netflix money. They don't have Amazon money. NFL might be hesitant to give Amazon Thursday night package, but for the right

[Uncle Joe]

price, anything is possible.

[Joe]

But I know Netflix coming. Netflix is coming.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. One thing about it, Joe boy, everything for sale. Boy, every everything got a price tag, man.

[Joe]

Hey, anything can be bought, can damn sure be sold. Did they buy the NFL team? Well, they'll damn sure sell them rights to the highest builder.

[Uncle Joe]

Come on now.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Yep. And Netflix probably looking to get into live sports and all.

[Joe]

That way you can become a for real network. You gotta have live events. Why do you think they pay?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul. Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. Why you think they keep having these live events? They understand it. The movies are great. Taped events are great. They do great job with movies and documentaries and all that. Unbelievable. But live events is where it's at.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

If you understand that. The same thing with Paramount. What did they do? They got the ufc.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

I'm just saying. Yeah, it's gonna happen. Oh, yeah, it's gonna happen.

[Ocho]

You gotta lock in twin.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm ready. I'm be ready when it do happen.

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[Uncle Joe]

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[Georgia]

and Georgia from My Favorite Murder.

[Karen]

We cruised around LA in the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and dove into the fascinating life of actress and inventor Hedy Lamarr.

[Georgia]

Want the full story? Take a listen.

[Karen]

She starts dating Howard Hughes and in fact she helps him design a faster plane. So she finds the fastest bird and the fastest fish and sketches out a drawing of what the two would look like as a plane and that becomes the plane that we know today. And he calls her a genius. Check out our new episode spotlighting groundbreaking innovators like Hedy and Lamar and Billie Jean King.

[Georgia]

Presented by the Hyundai Ioniq 5.

[Karen]

Goodbye.

[Tab Ramos]

This is Tab Ramos from Inside American Soccer and this summer topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group, exclusive food and drink items. They've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net and every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer, you can get the topgolf Summer Fun Pass which lets you play every single day and bring up to five guests every visit. Get yours [e-mail] FunPass.