Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Aaron Rodgers to Retire After Season + Myles Garrett Trade Rumors Heat Up

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – “Deebo & Joe – Part 1: Aaron Rodgers to Retire After Season + Myles Garrett Trade Rumors Heat Up”

Hosts: James 'DeBo' Harrison & Joe Hayden
Date: May 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap dives deep into reactions and debates on hot topics in the NBA Playoffs and NFL offseason, highlighted by the shocking Cavaliers playoff meltdown, Myles Garrett’s offseason drama with the Browns, and Aaron Rodgers’ impending retirement after the 2026 season. The energy is a mix of brotherly roasting, candid insider opinions, and emotional sports fandom. Joe, a diehard Browns and Cavs supporter, is reeling from his teams’ recent collapses, while DeBo revels in the chaos and pokes fun throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cleveland Cavaliers Playoff Collapse

(05:23 – 12:51)

• Recap: DeBo and Joe dissect the Cavs’ collapse in game one after being up 22 points with under 8 minutes left.
  • DeBo’s shock at outcome after going to sleep assuming the Cavs had won.
  • Joe’s pain and frustration as a fan watching the loss unfold.
• Joe blames coaching and defensive matchups: “James Harden switched onto Jalen Brunson and got barbecued… We needed to leave D. Wade and Max Strust on Jalen Brunson.” (06:49)
• DeBo’s taunts and role reversal: DeBo relishes in Joe’s agony, sarcastically comparing the Cavs defense to leaving doors and cars unlocked: “Just hold the door open so they don’t have to break everything to come through there.” (13:12)

2. Myles Garrett Offseason Absence & Trade Rumors

(17:15 – 25:50)

• DeBo raises big questions about Myles Garrett missing mandatory minicamp (and losing over $1 million in fines), emphasizing the optics with a new head coach.
  • “He’s showing them he ain’t buying it… He done told the rest of the defense I ain’t show up, and I’m about to take a million one hit. Let y’all know I run this.” (19:32)
• Joe’s stance: Understands a star’s latitude but admits it’s “not a good look”:
  • “A thousand percent I would love our defensive player of the year to be in the building… But like we say this too, it’s a little bit different when you’re a vet and when you’re a young guy.” (21:50)
• Would you show up for a million dollars?
  • DeBo asks if Joe would attend minicamp if it cost him $1M. “I would show up a thousand percent… Why would you not get the money?” (24:23)
• Camaraderie vs. Star Power:
  • Joe: “You want your vets in there… But if they not in there, that's time for the younger dudes to get in and do their thing.” (22:20)

3. Browns QB Room & Todd Monken’s Comments

(25:50 – 37:24)

• Coach Monken publicly calls out QBs for multiple 7-on-7 INTs:
  • “Two interceptions in seven on seven, for God’s sakes. I mean, who does that?… It is embarrassing.” (25:50)
• Joe’s take on practice INTs:
  • “It might have been a little bit late… Does the receiver need to drive back down to the ball?… Every play gets evaluated, but you shouldn’t be throwing picks in seven-on-seven.” (32:30)
• DeBo speculates Monken is subtly favoring Deshaun Watson by calling out other QBs’ errors out loud.
  • “I've never heard a coach talk about being upset about doing interceptions in seven on seven and actually just speaking it straight out to the media when you're already in a quarterback controversy.” (34:33)
  • Joe cautiously agrees: “For sure. It’s giving… Todd Monken is definitely in favor of Watson a little bit.” (37:24)

4. Aaron Rodgers Announces 2026 Retirement Plan

(37:52 – 54:01)

• Rodgers confirms this will be his final season, with contract incentives based on playing time and playoff wins.
  • “He has a 2.5 million in incentives… He must play 75% of the regular season snaps, and then he can earn 625,000 for every playoff win, wild card, divisional, AFC, Super Bowl.” (38:32)
• DeBo predicts Rodgers only gets some of the incentives, depending on playoff seeding: “He ain’t gonna get all this… 1.875 [million].” (39:22)
• Joe’s optimism and nostalgia: “We got all the talent… This is your final hurrah. We're in with you… As the Thor of football, [Rodgers is] one of the best to ever do it.” (52:40 & 53:19)
• Team construction and last chances: Both hosts reflect on the importance of seizing the moment when you have veteran stars for one last run.

5. Evaluating the Steelers’ Four-Quarterback Room

(54:07 – 59:57)

• Coach Mike McCarthy says, “We love all four QBs” (57:13), but DeBo lectures on the importance of using “love” precisely:
  • “Stop using words like love when it could be just like. Like.” (55:56)
• Joe’s practical roster philosophy:
  • “I'm a three quarterback kind of guy… Having four quarterbacks on the roster is crazy to me. It's just taking up too many spots.” (57:53)
• Strategic logic: They speculate Steelers may hold four QBs temporarily as insurance with Rodgers’ last year, but agree it’s unsustainable long term.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Cavs’ collapse:
  • Joe: “We was up by 22. We're not supposed to lose that game. We're not supposed to lose that game. At all.” (09:37)
• DeBo poking fun at Cleveland fans:
  • “Like how they do in California. We just leave your car unlocked just so they can go through it… Y’all ain’t got nothing left in y’all!” (17:15)
• Myles Garrett’s leverage:
  • DeBo: "He don't need y'all. He gon' need him when he show up. Y’all say, 'Thank you, sir, for showing up.'" (21:15)
• On QB competitions:
  • DeBo: “I'm just saying, when you’re already in a quarterback controversy… you’re putting your own little spin, I would say.” (37:09)
• Rodgers as ‘Thor of football’:
  • Joe: “As the Thor of the football, he's one of the best to ever do it. I don't care what anybody says. He can spin the rock.” (53:19)
• On the language of sports:
  • DeBo: "Stop using words like love when it could be just like. Like… Hate is a very, very, very strong word. So hating, love — those are the two words that I tell my kids, like, yo, they mean things." (55:56/56:10)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• NBA Playoff Meltdown/Cavs Discussion: 05:23–12:51
• Myles Garrett Absence & Browns Rumors: 17:15–25:50
• Browns QB Room & Coaching Politics: 25:50–37:24
• Aaron Rodgers Retirement Announcement & Steelers Outlook: 37:52–54:01
• Steelers Four-Quarterback Room Debate: 54:07–59:57

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Episode Tone and Style

• Language: Authentic, conversational, and playful with heavy sports vernacular and a fraternal, teasing dynamic.
• Atmosphere: Joe’s fan pain is palpable, while DeBo delights in trolling but brings serious questions and knowledge. Both alternate between genuine analysis and light-hearted bickering.

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For Listeners

If you missed this episode, you’ll get a raw, immediate pulse on the emotional side of sports – from crushing playoff losses to the gravitas of legends like Myles Garrett and Rodgers deciding their own fates. The hosts blend insider logic with authentic fandom, making for one of the most relatable sports conversations you’ll hear this playoff season.

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[Joe Hayden]

I'm doing all right.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey Joe. You know what's so crazy Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

What's up bro?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie to you bro. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you at all. When I seen New York had won and we finally got that thing back. Tied one one. We won one now.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no. No, we not.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

What you talking about, bro? Y' all blew us out. I went to sleep with eight minutes left. What is you talking about? The first game. It was over. What are you talking about? It's done.

[Joe Hayden]

I know.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You telling me we won?

[Joe Hayden]

No, we're down. Two zero.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

We're down. No, I'm New York.

[Joe Hayden]

You're New York. You're up. You're up.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You're up.

[Joe Hayden]

2 0.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

What happened? I went to sleep with like, eight minutes left in the game. Y' all was up by like, 22 or something.

[Joe Hayden]

What happened? That was game one.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I know. That's what I'm saying. That's why I thought it was 1:1. Because I just went to bed. I never even checked again. Then I saw it was, you know, we won the day last night, you know, and then that was. It had to be. So what happened? What happened? It was like. It was like eight minutes when I went to bed. Left in the gate. That's up at like, 22. What happened?

[Joe Hayden]

In my soul. I was hurt. I was hurt. We was up.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

But that's not telling me what happened. Your soul got hurt and that's why they lost her.

[Joe Hayden]

No, this what happened. Coaching. This what happened. Coaching. They went on a run where we needed to call a timeout. We switched James Harden onto.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You can't be calling all your time out. Sometimes you gotta save.

[Joe Hayden]

We need to call it when they get. It's called momentum. It's called.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I mean, sometimes you gotta save them, though. Sometimes you have to say no.

[Joe Hayden]

Save them for what? Don't you gonna.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I don't know. I'm just saying.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. There's nothing to save him for. He's saving them for no reason. Saving them for no reason. We needed to burn the timeouts. It was coaching. It was. James Harden switched on to Jalen Brunson and got barbecued. We needed to leave D. Wade and Max Strust on Jalen Brunson. We were doing a great job at that point. Deebo, we're up 7 minutes and 22 seconds by 22 points. And I started just. I started calculating how much time is left with the possessions. How many more possessions do we have to have? Because I think we started playing not to. Not to lose. We started missing shots. People weren't getting back on defense. Brunson started getting on fire.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

That ain't how you play not to lose. Missing shots ain't how You.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no. They were just really like. I felt like we were clock watching. When we were up by 22, we were trying to get buckets. Everybody was scoring during the. We needed to call the timeout. It got ugly. It got bad. I was.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Oh, they put in the tubes, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Jalen Brunson started barbecuing. No, we needed to call timeout. It was clock management. It was Jalen Brunson going crazy. We need.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I don't know how you lose. I went to sleep. Y' all was like. We were down by like 22. When I went to sleep, it was like maybe like eight minutes left. Something. Seven, 40, something. I don't know, but, like, I was in the bed sleep.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't gonna lie to you, Debo. That was one of. I was. I'm a. I had. I gotta relax. Cause I was so. I watched the whole game and saw it happening right in front of my eyes, and I was genuinely hurt. I was sad. And then the second. And then again, I got a tear.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Joy in my eye from that.

[Joe Hayden]

Harden was getting barbecued. My man Brunson was.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

What did Harden do? You know, Harden ain't got no deep.

[Joe Hayden]

It was a deep. It was. It was just. It was a little. We need. We did. Look, we didn't need to put him on Brunson. And then game two. Listen, I understand. Hey, get the ball.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Listen.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no. We need to get the ball out of Brunson's hands. We got to get out of Brunson's hands. But Josh Hart, he's still an NBA player. There's a such thing.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

We got other players.

[Joe Hayden]

There's a such thing as lagging off, and there's a such thing as leaving him wide open. Jerry Allen, we need a little. I understand. We need just a little contest. Give him a hand. He's sitting there wide open. Passing it to him. Josh Hart killed us, too.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I don't know how you make. But I was trying.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, man.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey. All I know is this little calling Mr. Hart.

[Joe Hayden]

It was a sad, sad. I'm still. I'm not calling. I'm not counting this out, because at the same time, we gotta go defend home court. It's only two games, but when you lose one in that fashion that we should have stole. It should have. It was like. It was 1 0.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hold up.

[Joe Hayden]

What you.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

No, no, no. It wasn't a steal. Like, y' all just.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, we was up by 22. We're not supposed to lose that game. We're not supposed to lose that game. At All.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I just knew it. I went to bed, man, and I just. I just. I didn't even. I didn't even look at it, man. I should have knew something.

[Joe Hayden]

But, I mean, we gotta shoot some more shots at the end.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I mean, Harden was shooting enough, wasn't he?

[Joe Hayden]

All I know is we're going to the land and we got to pull it out in the land. We got to pull it out in the land.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

How'd you sleep last night? I slept great. I slept like a baby.

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't sleep too well. I didn't sleep too well. I feel. I feel the fandom now when I'm watching. I get my like. Because I have no control. So I want them to want it. I want the Cavs to be out there wanting it. And we up by 22. We gotta somehow close it out. Call a timeout. Coach.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Well, you say somebody get a bucket.

[Joe Hayden]

No, no, no, no. And players. And players. We need to somehow. Somebody. Dimitch. We only. Only shot three times at the end of the. You're. You're our best player. You know what I'm saying? Like, go get a bucket. I know he wants it. Maybe it's.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Count on James Harden.

[Joe Hayden]

Go get a bucket, James Harden. You just. Just a little.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I don't.

[Joe Hayden]

James Harden.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Maybe less flop.

[Joe Hayden]

Just. Just a little more effort with the defense. Sometimes he's just letting them just blow by.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

It ain't about effort. He can't play no defense. You know that.

[Joe Hayden]

It is about effort.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

He can't play no defense.

[Joe Hayden]

It is about effort. It's about slide.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

He can play defense by. Well, as I can.

[Joe Hayden]

Slide your puppies, man. And then coach somebody. But then it's coaching because it's like, if we know that that's not his expertise. Leave D. Wade on him. Leave stru on him. Them dudes are in his pocket. Just stand there giving them a way better body to give him. Trying to get a bucket on them than trying to get a bucket on James. That's just letting them slide by, man.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I love this game. Love this game, man.

[Joe Hayden]

All I know is we got game three coming. They going. Yeah, we. We heard.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You heard what they said.

[Joe Hayden]

What's up?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You heard what they said, what they said. You heard them, you heard them.

[Joe Hayden]

Obviously they're gonna be chanting that in their crib. Garden was turned.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I felt like. I felt like I was there, you know, I was sitting next to Spike. You know what I'm saying? That's why. That's what I felt like, baby. I just wins over there, man.

[Joe Hayden]

I Know what?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey, don't bring your. Hey, don't bring your ass over there playing. We don't care if you up by 22 with 7:40 left.

[Joe Hayden]

Tripping they go. They did what they had to do. They held down their home court. I'm sick that we let that game one slip.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Get over here. That's how you rip they soul out. 22, 7:40 left. Get over here. Mortal Kombat, man. Goodness.

[Joe Hayden]

Slide your feet. Hey, what's up?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

The cast. They doing. They're not doing. What's the. The hat on top of your head? Do they. Browning.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what? I didn't. I didn't wear my. I didn't wear my gear.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

The calves is brown.

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't want my gear.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Oh, that's what it is.

[Joe Hayden]

They're not browning, bro. Yeah, that. That was. That was just. We got to keep an eye on the prize. We got to go protect home. We got to go. That one hurt.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You got to protect home. You can't protect home.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, we. We.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Y' all about.

[Joe Hayden]

Same thing you was talking about. The same.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

The door is open, y' all about. Y' all leave your doors open.

[Joe Hayden]

No disrespect. New York is boring.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Just hold the door open so that they don't have to break everything to come through there. Just leave the door. That way you ain't got to replace no locks or nothing like that and everything. Just leave the doors open. Don't you know what I'm saying? Like,

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Shut up, Debo. Yes, we do.

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[Joe Hayden]

It's my calves, bro. And I. I care. I want them to be successful. I want them to win. That hurt up 22 my boys in New York fans. They cutting the game off.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

And y' all thought you was my brother. I thought you was my brother. I thought we cared love for each other. I thought you was my brother. Why you acting like that? This is just a game, man. You see me with not a damn tear in my. I don't give a damn.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. I know you don't care. That's what I'm saying. I know you don't care. I know you don't care. Pissing me off. You don't care. You all happy and all that just to just. Yeah, you. You saw both games. You talking about some. Yeah. So what happened? I went to sleep.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You know what? You know what, Joe? I'm gonna start this off a little different, man. I'm gonna just stay over here in Cleveland, bro, You know, and let's. Let's just go to Cleveland, man. Todd Monken still hasn't met Myles Garrett.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Oh, why? Why hasn't he met Miles yet, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Because they still Miles, ain't he? Because same reason why a lot of the vets didn't come up yet. Miles just. He's chilling. He's chilling. He's gonna be there for training camp.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Dude.

[Joe Hayden]

He's gonna be there for training.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

He's chilling. So tough that he missed the mandatory mini camp last month, lost a million, and y' all got another mandatory camp coming up next month. Okay? And if you don't show up to that, that's another 100. Almost 100. 8,000 up out of his pocket.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I ain't counting.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't counting.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

But I'm mandatory. I ain't come. I'm losing a millie.

[Joe Hayden]

I know. I know.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

A millie, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

I know it's not a good look.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Explain something to me. Joe is supposed to be your leader. He ain't gonna meet your new leader. He ain't even buying that. He's showing him he ain't buying it. He ain't got to say a word to him. He done told the rest of the defense I ain't showed up, and I'm about to take a million one hit. Let y' all know I run this. He doing.

[Joe Hayden]

He's letting the young dudes get the reps. Cause he know it's gonna take them more time to learn the system. You know what I'm saying? They gonna need to be all this time that he. They gonna get the reps in, be able to. You know what I'm saying? Figure it out. Miles is plug and play. Soon as he gets back, he's gonna

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

be the defense just staying exactly the same. The terminology and everything, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

It ain't gonna take Miles long to learn the terminology. He's a defensive player of the year for a reason. He's going to be fine. The younger dudes, everybody else, get your reps. Hey, stuff in.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Get up.

[Joe Hayden]

Get your level of play up.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You're right.

[Joe Hayden]

You're right.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I agree with you, Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? It's not.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

It's not a good Miles Garrett. You do not need to show up.

[Joe Hayden]

You do need to show up. I would love for you to show up.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You understand?

[Joe Hayden]

It would be better for you to

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

be there until after the last preseason game if you don't want to.

[Joe Hayden]

No, you had a different tone. We had a different. We had a different tone. We had a different tone when we was talking about a rod being able. He didn't show up until training camp last year. Do you know what I'm saying? And still was able to do everything he had to do.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Was he under contract? Did he lose a milli.

[Joe Hayden]

No, he didn't. He didn't. But don't worry about that part. Don't worry about Miles Bread. Don't worry about his spot.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I'm not worried about it. I'm just letting you know. I'm letting them know to let. I'm letting you know to let them know. Because he the defense player of the year.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Y' all need him. He don't need y'.

[Joe Hayden]

All.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

He gonna need him when he show up. Y' all say, thank you, sir, for showing up. That's what you do. And he care.

[Joe Hayden]

He gonna come there and give you. And give you 20 seconds.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

He might be the head. It's not.

[Joe Hayden]

It's not.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey,

[Joe Hayden]

This is not. This is not ideal.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I don't care.

[Joe Hayden]

This Is not ideal.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Put a head coach Miles Garrett just told me he run this team. He told me about what I care what a little Millie is when I'm getting 50, 40 of them things a year. Debo, that's. That's chump change.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo. This is not ideal. A thousand percent. I would love our defensive player of the year to be in the building. Obviously, like we said, this is camaraderie. This is when you build, this is when you grow. This is when you can be able to learn. But like we say this too. It's a little bit different when you're a vet and when you're a young guy. So then the losing money part, you

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

don't want to get in there and try and get some money?

[Joe Hayden]

I would want to. Ideally, yes.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yes. You know, a buy in of just showing.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes, yes. Ideally, yes. You want your vets in there. You want them dudes in there leading by example, showing the way. But if they not in there, that's time for the younger dudes to get in there and do their thing. I want Miles to be in there for sure. It's not a good look like you got a new coach. He said, no, I haven't been in touch with Miles. It's not. Not good. But you know, Miles comes. Let me talk to.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Let me talk to Miles, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Still gonna be doing what he can do regardless.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Let me talk to Mr. Garrett. Mr. Garrett. You don't even need to come back until after the break. Our break. After week nine. You can come back. You need to deserve it.

[Joe Hayden]

He don't.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You deserve it.

[Joe Hayden]

See, there you go talking crazy. There you go talking crazy.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You deserve it.

[Joe Hayden]

Why you can't give them that same.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

They could give you a whole season to sit down. And you still. Obviously you did last year.

[Joe Hayden]

Obviously it's just because you're a hater. But. Of the Browns. Of the Browns. But why not? If he's the vet and he just ends up not coming to the stuff when he gets there for training camp,

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

that is the best defensive player in the league, dude. That is the person that everybody is looking up to who they trying to chase down. What are you talking about? That man could do what he want to do when he want to do it. And I agree with him. You show up when you want to show up. You don't need nothing but the time that you need to do what you need to do. And whatever that time is, you will make that available. Available to them when you feel like you good and damn ready to. That's what you should do, Miles.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. I want him to be there.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Let me say. I ain't gonna say I love it.

[Joe Hayden]

I like it. I like it a whole lot. Yeah, I want him to be there. Let me just say that I wish that he was there, but him not being there isn't as big of a deal. I will hope that he was in there because like we said, for the camaraderie, for the.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey, Joe, can I ask you a personal question?

[Joe Hayden]

What's up? Yes.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

If it's you. Okay, listen, just listen. If it's you and you're coming in and you have something that says you lose a million, you lose 108,000.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Would you show up or would you just say, hey, I'll come?

[Joe Hayden]

I would show up a thousand percent.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Why would you do that, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Two reasons. I mean, obviously the team you're going to be working out, you're in the facility, you're getting stuff, right? It's new coaches and the workout money. Like, why would you get, why would you not get the money, the million dollars if you're going to be working out regardless and you in there with the team, you're killing two birds with one stone. I mean, that's why I would.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Or maybe, or maybe what if you felt like you couldn't get the work done there and it was worth not getting a million to go and be where you were at to get the work done so you could get back to the playing level that you were

[Joe Hayden]

then. Okay, then that's what he, that's what he's thinking. But yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Would you, would you not have a conversation with your brand new head coach before that time came so it didn't look like, you know, from the outside looking in?

[Joe Hayden]

You know, maybe I'm saying I would, I would handle the situation probably differently, but Miles Rose, like we said, with rolling to the beat of his own drum. He's under contract. He knows what it is. He knows he's missing the Millie. And if he's in your mindset, I'm not going to come out there. I'm staying here. I'm going to be able to get right, get all of my training, my treatment. It's not worth that meal. When I come back out there, I'll be ready to go. That's not how I would do it. But you saying he's not getting the work that he would need to out there could take care of his body better where he's at. I'm. I hear you, but that's not what I would do.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Okay, I understand. I understand what you're saying also. Oh, Todd. Todd Monkin. He. He didn't like the fact that the quarterbacks had some interceptions in 707. Hey, Joe, we got a little sound for that. Yeah, okay. Can you play that song? Two interceptions in seven on seven, for God's sakes. I mean, who does that? There's no pass rush. I mean, it is embarrassing. Joe. Hey, hey, it ain't sounding too good over there right now. Joe, what's going on over there, man? He sounds. He sound a little upset, man.

[Joe Hayden]

He could, man. Look, he's coaching up. He's coaching up. It's routes on there. That's how offense. 7 on 7 is for the offense, the same way 1 on ones is for the offense. You should not be. If you're a really good offensive team, you shouldn't be throwing picks in seven on seven. When I seen. Then I. You got to go back and you got to look at the routes. I want to see whose fault is it. When I seen the interception that Shador threw, I saw it was a corner out and a cover.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Oh, Shador threw an interception.

[Joe Hayden]

Shador threw one and Dylan Gabriel threw one. So there was two. The two quarterbacks that threw him in the 7 on 7 with Shador threw one and Dylan threw one. So I got to go back. Watson did not. Watson didn't throw a pick. He didn't throw a pick. This is practice, though.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Debo, he's looking to. We talking to two quarterbacks. Not everybody.

[Joe Hayden]

Not everybody.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Talk about the past. The interceptions in seven on seven. And the.

[Joe Hayden]

The.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

The, you know, people that got intercepted was two quarterbacks did. Two quarterbacks didn't. I mean, without you having to call the name, you know, you're saying, hey, this is unacceptable. And, you know, ain't no pass rush there, you know, really ain't nothing that could have gotten your way other than your misinterpretation of what you were looking at. Maybe route running, as you said, or misplacement of the ball. Huh? Hmm.

[Joe Hayden]

He's coaching, Debo. It's practice. Coaches evaluate practice.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

But how many. How many people. Listen, Joe, how many people. How many head coaches have said I was upset about pass interceptions and seven on seven to the media?

[Joe Hayden]

I think a lot more coaches are saying it, but people just won't take it as serious because we're going through a quarterback competition and he's a new coach. And that's just something to talk about because it's practice, Debo. You know, things happen in practice. All the time. We are picking people off in practice all the time. So like practice is practice. It's where you go to try stuff. It's where you go to try to get better. It's where you go.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I thought you go to practice to perfect your skill, not just perfecting you. Hello?

[Malcolm Glebel]

Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart Talks with IBM. Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Stefano Pallard]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi the Ferrari super fans in the digital age.

[Stefano Pallard]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Stefano Pallard]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

[Malcolm Glebel]

To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit IBM.comferrari

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[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[Joe Hayden]

Your bill, ladies.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I got it. I got it.

[Cindy Crawford]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[Cindy Crawford]

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[Joe Hayden]

Practice makes perfect. You can't. But perfect. Practice makes perfect. But there is things where each practice is getting evaluated at a microscope. Each throw each thing. So when I'm looking at this pass, it might have been a little bit late, and I'm looking at Judy of the route come back to the ball. It's looking like he's just standing there waiting for the ball to come to you, but you got to come back, drive back downhill to the ball. I didn't see Dylan Gabriel's interception, but I only was able to see the Shador one. So when I'm just looking back at the plays, there's reasons, there's cause and effects for everything. Every interception isn't made the same. Every tip ball, it could have been a tipped, and you know what I'm saying? It was tipped and then it was picked because I seen Judy come back to the ball, somebody else DB was able to come, make a play, tip the ball into the air, and it gets picked off. So when you're looking back at it, it's like, okay, how are we working in this? Does the quarterback need to throw the ball a little bit earlier, look like he might have been standing there for a second? Does the quarterback, does the receiver need to drive back down to the ball? There's all different causes and effects for all of this stuff. But when coach is coaching it up, boom. Like, that's in a. That's a legitimate evaluation. You shouldn't be throwing picks in seven on seven. Our quarterback needs to get the ball out earlier or our receiver needs to be coming back down, coming back downhill. These are just things that coaches are coaching and that, that's tape that they're going to watch and evaluate. So, like, every single snap, I got the plays. When, when you're doing like in training camps, good on good, you're getting. Things will happen. You're going to get beat like it is what it is. And that doesn't make, doesn't mean I'm a bad corner because somebody hit me up on a play. No, that means they, they won that rep, next rep. You know what I'm saying? Do better. Line it back up. So each, when you do do good plays, they get evaluated. Everybody's looking at, oh, yeah, that's great. When you do one bad play, everybody's saying everything about it. So I just think it's coach coaching stuff up.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

And seeing. And seeing what he sees.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Joe, don't let me, you know, I read into everything. Joe, you know me.

[Joe Hayden]

I know you did. You read into it and trying to do, trying to make it all negative.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Stop, Joe, stop, stop. Joe, let me talk. But my things make sense. They have reasoning behind it. And I'm starting to get some reasoning in my head on this that.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, let me hear it.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You know, I'm just going back to what they, you know, what was said by, what was it? Brear a while ago. Yeah, Albert Brewer a while ago about, you know, him kind of liking Watson a little more, supposedly. So now you go to this and like I said, I've never heard a coach talk about being upset about doing interceptions in seven or seven and actually just speaking it straight out to the media when you're already in a quarterback controversy. So with that being the case, with his supposed liking of Watson and his abilities to play offensive schemes that he's hadn't done and been successful at, I think this could have been maybe a

[Joe Hayden]

little bit of a shot

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

at saying, look, interception, interception. But it's not him. Is them is helping you and everybody else out here give a public opinion about who they feel it should or shouldn't be to go along with who he probably. He already wants it to be. I'm just saying, Joe. That's all I was saying. What do. What do you think of that, Joe? Joe, you you muted.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not muted. I'm just trying to listen to what you're saying. I. I hear you. I think, Coach. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. It was bad. Like, if dudes are throwing interceptions in the practice, then he's just reporting the news. And they asked him about the defense. Like, do you think the defense was creating the plays? He's like, look, it's a seven on seven. We shouldn't be throwing picks. So, I mean, yeah, it's a.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You could say that. You could say that.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I mean, he's just reporting the news. I mean, that's a little. That's a little. That's a little not true. You just know you're not just reporting the news. You're. You're reporting to the reporters that are reporting out the information to the fans that you want to be heard. Because if you didn't say it, they wouldn't have knew it outright out of your mouth.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? So you're putting that out there. You're putting your own little spin, I would say, on the topic of where you trying to maybe get people to lean. Joe.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, for sure. You're right. You're right. It's giving. Todd Monken is definitely in favor of Watson a little bit because he didn't he. Watson. But Watson didn't throw a pick. He didn't throw a pick. Shador did.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

But what do you know of any other practices? Has he thrown a pick all at all, this minicamp or, or OTAs? We don't know if.

[Joe Hayden]

We don't know.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

But if he has, you can find that information out. It would be very suspicious that he would talk about it now. Hey, I'm just saying. Hey, it was brought out to the public, all right? That's all I'm saying. Joe, I'm gonna go over here to, to, to, to the Steelers man, Aaron Rodgers. He will retire after the 2026 season. My man said this is it. He said this is it. That's it. Ain't no coming back.

[Joe Hayden]

Ain't no coming back.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Ain't no coming back.

[Joe Hayden]

He has like,

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

he has a 2.5. The 2.5 million in incentives in his contract with Distillers now is he must play 75% of the regular season snaps, and then he can earn the following 625,000 for every playoff win, wild card win, divisional, AFC, Super Bowl. Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I hate to say it, but he ain't gonna get all this. He's not gonna get all this crap. Ain't gonna get no more than about. About 1, 8, 7 5. Because when you number one, you don't play to the divisional round, you know?

[Joe Hayden]

Mm.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

So he'd get 1, 8, 7, 5, when it's all said and done, walk off into the sunset. Super bowl champion, you know,

[Joe Hayden]

that's what you think is gonna go down. I. Look, I'm. I'm excited because.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey, hey, listen, listen. You are so gone. You are so down in the dumps. They got you so depressed. And so.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I am. I'm messed up. I ain't gonna lie.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Go down bad.

[Joe Hayden]

I ain't gonna lie to you that

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

you can't even be excited about a team you said was at least a 1B.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, my whole mood this morning, I ain't gonna lie to you.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I know what Joe is.

[Joe Hayden]

Cause I was literally misery, love, company.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Joe, you want me to be down with you?

[Joe Hayden]

I've been sad when we lost that first game, and it's the fan. I never. I was able to get over games way easier when I was playing in it. But now it's like I don't have no control. So. That hurt. It really, really hurt. I wanted us to be up. We lost two, and I knew you was gonna come in here talking crazy. Then we got the Browns. It's just. I. I love my Browns, but we're going to be talking about everything that's not a quarterback country, and I'm having

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

players out in public. You got your. You got your star player showing up.

[Joe Hayden]

Got my. Got. Yes. Yes. So I knew it was. I'm just. I'm sorry if the energy is down. It's just. You just beating me up today, people.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I told y'. All. Hey, listen, Joe. Joe. Coming out, he came. He was.

[Joe Hayden]

I had to be trying to hide his colors. He was trying to.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Brown and orange. I know it. He want to claim black and gold, but I know it's brown and orange.

[Joe Hayden]

I was good.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I'm gonna cut him next time and see if he bleeds some brown and orange.

[Joe Hayden]

All right, man, listen. I was just being honest with you, man. You had me. I was hurting today. I honestly, I was like, man, I really don't want to show up. Cause I know he's going to fire me up. He's going.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You didn't even come on until two minutes before we was about to go on. Joe, what's going on?

[Joe Hayden]

No. Crazy.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

It was crazy, and I knew what it was.

[Joe Hayden]

I didn't have nothing that I Wanted to talk to you about Debo. Except for when we got to the Steelers. I was ready to get to this part. That whole first part of the show just now. I didn't want to talk about any of that. That was not none of my doing at all. You just sitting there, couldn't wait. You skipping stuff around. You moving stuff around in the show just so you could get on me.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yo, I didn't know what happened. I thought. Joe, listen, Joe, I was. I thought it was one one. That's all it was. And I come to find out right here from you.

[Joe Hayden]

You're lying, though.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I blew up 22 point lead, Deej.

[Joe Hayden]

Debo. Deebo.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

That was what you.

[Joe Hayden]

You were planning on that entrance, the whole show. I felt it. I felt. I was like, he got something. And he was like, oh, no. I. Joe, I'm like, you saw the game. I know you saw the game. I know you did.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I came to see it. So is my vision bad? I'm old. I couldn't see. I was listening to it, and then I went to bed.

[Joe Hayden]

All right, you know what it's all about.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I was listening to Aaron retiring and all that. And then I'm. I don't know. I don't know, Joe. You know, I'm getting old.

[Joe Hayden]

It was. Oh, man. Joe, this weekend really was a not good. You know what I'm saying? Sports weekend for me. My wife was like, you're just not. Like, you're a little grumpy. I said, I am. I'm sorry. Just not in a good mood right now, bruh. That's not bad. I know it's bad. I know, I know, I know. I'm a S.O. man. Listen, man, I know, I know. I don't like it. I don't like that. That's not me. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a man. I'm a really glad person.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I know you was thinking about moving back to Cleveland, but now ain't the time, bro.

[Joe Hayden]

Not moving back. I'm chilling right now, but I'm definitely going. The game. I'm definitely going to game four. I'll be out there. I'm be out there on Monday.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hey, man, maybe you could like, for my boys, man. Don't y' all got a team over there? Got Bullets or something? Washington Bullets, right? Something like that.

[Joe Hayden]

The wizards out here, D.C. yeah. We just got the number one pick. We're gonna get AJ the AJ from BYU.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Here you go with this we. Joe, where are you?

[Joe Hayden]

I live in D.C. i mean, I Live in Virginia. So you say the team that's right up the street, it's the Wizards. They gonna get the bonza. All right, that's. They.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You French.

[Joe Hayden]

They gonna get the bonza.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You French.

[Joe Hayden]

They gonna get the French in your mouth. I'm just gonna go watch.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

We need to check your DNA heritage. You French. Cause it's a whole lot of we.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. All right. You know what, Debo?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

We know.

[Joe Hayden]

You going to stop. I'm gonna stop saying we because I'm not with them. Exactly. They're up the street. So the Wizards are going to get AJ debonza, and he's up the street. So I would love to go watch him play. So that means him being close, I can get to go watch the Wizards play.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Hello.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart talks with IBM. Today. We're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pollard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Stefano Pallard]

Your pronunciation is. It's strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

[Stefano Pallard]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community, and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Stefano Pallard]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

[Malcolm Glebel]

To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit IBM.comferrari

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I like watching the basketball. Basketball courtside is the best place you could ever see the the talent.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I'm gonna tell you the best place right there. See any sports game TV at Home and your TV on your couch and your lazy boy laid back with your feet up.

[Joe Hayden]

I hear you. Let me bring you to temperature. Perfect. I would say football. Your father. I mean, football. I could like. I like football at my house. Comfortable. I can. Got my tv. Basketball, the same, but basketball courtside at the event. Being there, Debo, that's those. That's the best live event I've been to. NBA games, courtside, thousand percent. You right there. You right there. You got to be spiked out.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Listen, I'm a TV.

[Joe Hayden]

You're 1000% right, but you spiked out. You right there. Seeing, like, they real ballers move like that, I'm like, yeah, that's. That's NBA, all that. I'm like, okay, yes, he's. Yes, he's 6 foot 8. Okay, he is.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I understand. I understand. I understand, Joe. But I'm just saying, like, we talking. We know we talking about. Okay. Talking about. That's gonna be a Super bowl championship finishing at the end. I'm sorry, he only go get 1.875 million because we will not be playing week one. We won't be playing to the divisional game. So, you know, we're gonna have a buy.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, so you're just saying that that's not even possible. If they skip the wild card, he don't need.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I mean, worst case scenario, it could get possible and we have to play in the wild card because we are two. Okay, okay, okay. No, but if.

[Joe Hayden]

But if they skip the wild card game and he don't play in it just because we go to the divisional round, then that's just. That's not limbo. Right?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying now he don't. All right, he getting the two fighting. He getting the 200.

[Joe Hayden]

So. But all I know is, and.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

And maybe they may just go ahead and put it in there as a bonus retirement gift. Another 625.

[Joe Hayden]

All I know.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Thank you for seven.

[Joe Hayden]

All I know is this is what I'm talking about. It's no gray area, Debo. It's no Willy nilly. This is what it is. Last year, a Rod. He's here. He's showing up to the optional stuff we were talking about. My boy's not there. A Rod's here now. He's here earlier than he was last year for training camp. We got all of the talent on the team. We got the receivers. We got the running back. We went and got the D backs. We went and got everything that we need. And a Rod. And for Cam and for Ramsey and for Highsmith. For the older dudes on the team, they know they final hurrah too. TJ Watt, it's their final hurrah. Not in the way of like when the young dudes start getting in, when Will Howard starts getting his shot, when Drew Aller, that's when you know it is what it is. It could get. You don't know how it's going to get. Like the quarterback position is something that's going to be up in the air. But right now with a rod knowing, saying, this is it. This is my final hurrah, he's in with McCarthy. Our man Omar been doing everything he had to do to build the team. Not to rebuild, but just get talent. Get as much as you. You got your old, you're not. We're not trading tj. We're not getting rid of high school. We're going to make sure we can figure this thing out and it's going to beat her up. We got the quarterback. We have a hall of fame quarterback. He came out here last year. 3,300 yards, 24 touchdowns, seven picks. We were dunking and dunking, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't offense, it wasn't going as. As. That's not terrible. That's not special. But I think with being able to get more talent around, being able to get that consistent running game and knowing what we need to get done, knowing on outside, we gotta be able to take more shots, we gotta hit on those. But that's gonna happen when the run game is going, when dottle, when Jalen Warren are really fucking coming downhill. When we're establishing a line of scrimmage where, you know what I'm saying, we're coming down, it's short, third downs, it's third and three, you know what I'm saying? Working with second and fours where we're not behind the sticks. So I love a rod being able to be like now, okay, boom. It is what it is. You're all in.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

We got all in.

[Joe Hayden]

We got you. You know, this is it. You want to leave on a rock. You were in New York, you got hurt. It didn't go as quite well last season. We were still. We still won the division. We still went to the playoffs. It didn't end up going the way we. That we wanted to go, you know what I'm saying? Like defense, there was. There was gaps. Offense hitting on the defense.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

We were checking the ball, worried about that. We have all that gap stuff cleaned up on defense.

[Joe Hayden]

Side you want to get now with a rod saying that he's going to be here for this whole season. 22 mil with these incentives, playoff incentives. You got to play 75% of the games. This is your final hurrah. We're in with you. Wa cam the boys.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

No question.

[Joe Hayden]

Dk, everybody knows he can't wait to get to Latrobe. So. So all I'm gonna say is with this, I'm rocking. I'm loving with Aaron Rodgers is like because in my heart of hearts, I love as the Thor of the football. He's one of the best to ever do it. I don't care what anybody says. He can spin the rock. So now we just got him in a where Joe Flacco type role where just make the passes that you got to. Don't turn the ball over. And you know what I'm saying? Control the offense. A rock can do that, a rock can 1000% do that. And then something. You gotta get special, make some throws. Cause that's what you do. You can still spin the rock. Your arm isn't going nowhere. It's your mobility. I don't know how fast you're going to be able to move, but that's

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

arm is changing a little bit. But you know everybody.

[Joe Hayden]

It is. He can make those. He can make them. Yeah, he can make them.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So I'm rocking.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah, for sure. Mike McCarthy, he said the Steelers have four quarterbacks that we love, that we love. You do that a lot too. I'm gonna tell you right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, he sound like. He sound like.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Listen, man. Words, words, words. So, so, so words mean things. And it's two. It's two words that I think people use a lot and they don't correct they self on or at least even when I use them, I try and stop myself if I don't really mean it and correct myself.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

It's love, hate if I love something. Dude. Like that is a. Like that's, that's, that's, that's.

[Joe Hayden]

You don't just throw around the love. Oh man.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You can't throw around love, man. What the Bible say it's with three different forms of love. You got. What is it? Agape, which is the God Love. That's the unconditional love. That's the love that. Hell. That's the only love you ever go give to is your kids, you know.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

It don't matter what they do, how bad they mess up and everything. You always go love me. Nothing gonna stop you from loving. And then you got the. What is it? The Philly's. Just like. It's like. It's for. The word for Philly. Like, okay, brotherly love. So it's brotherly love. Like, it's like, you know, it's an, you know, an affectionate love for, you know, like, relationships. Yeah. And then you got Eros, which is like, you know, you and your wife.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

So, like, when you use those words, they, like. They, like, mean things. But get back to my point is stop using words like love when it could be just like. Like.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? Like, because you. I love. Hit a spinner of the ball and I'll be. It might be in my head and I'll just be like, Like.

[Joe Hayden]

Like, it just.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

It just. I don't know why I do it. It just irks me. Then when I say I, like, hate. Like, if I hate you, hate is

[Joe Hayden]

a very, very, very strong.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Like, if I hate you, like, I'm willing to do something that is just out of. Out of character. Well, it used to be out of. Well, it's out of my character now.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Before, if I hated you, I was willing to do anything to make you not exist.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

That's how. That's how strong the hate word is. So to use the hate is. Is.

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[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

You like it. You like, right?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You like it. You got an extreme, like, for it, maybe, you know, maybe whole bunch. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, I like it a lot.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

To give it. Yeah. To give it more oomph. They. They want to throw love into it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? Or. Or hate.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Like, I'm done. No, they can't do that. So I think what he's saying here is that they like the quarterbacks that

[Joe Hayden]

they more like what we got. Mike McCarthy's happy with the QBs that he has.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. He said. I guess his words were they definitely. We definitely got four that we love. I can say that we always have to develop the room. There's always been. That's always been my approach. We're hoping that Omar can get the roster expanded to 55 and we can keep four. It's a really good room. This is a good place to be having four guys that can play. Joe, do you think keeping four quarterbacks is a good thing or.

[Joe Hayden]

No.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I'm. I'm a. I'm a. I'm a three quarterback kind of guy, you know? And if it gets down to it and maybe if you got to let one go and then hopefully they can sign them to practice squad. But having four quarterbacks on the roster is crazy to me. It's just taking up too many spots. You could be using another tight end, you could be using another running back. You can use another linebacker, another corner. Somebody that's actually literally a legitimate piece of special teams and offense. You know what I'm saying?

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

And able to do special teams.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a real.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

That's a full face and defense. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You need all phase kind of guy that's like really out there making plays for you. So to just have that on the roster for. No, I. I just. I. It doesn't make sense to me. Because you need a quarterback for show three solid four. You're tripping.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah. You know what? Now thinking about it, Go back Aaron's last year. This is the year. Maybe they're trying to just hold on to all three. The possibility of having them all three for next year and then seeing what they could do in the draft because we gonna be the last pick in the first year.

[Joe Hayden]

With the beer. With the plans. With the plans you got going.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

With the plans I got going on, baby. It ain't like you could put one of them on the practice squad. You put either one of them rookies on the practice squad, somebody go grab them.

[Joe Hayden]

If that's the man winning the Super Bowl, I'm not tripping. If it was three or four of them, but they got to go.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Whatever you want to do.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. We can figure it out. Will's good. You know what I'm saying? Like. Yeah, we figure it out. Will it Drew. We'll see what's going on a Rod Sparrow tour. We are not.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

When we got. You got the super bowl. Then there's other.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

Then I think Mason could go on the practice squad.

[Joe Hayden]

Come on, man.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

I don't think nobody would grab him. I ain't lying.

[Joe Hayden]

We have to. After last year, I'm not a big old. I'm not a big component of the four QBs. We're gonna have to max out what a Rod got.

[James 'DeBo' Harrison]

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