Best of NBA News Part 1: Bam Adebayo & Tyler Herro THROW HANDS + Wemby takes PAY CUT + Draymond Green with more BEEF

Summary

Nightcap Podcast: "Best of NBA News Part 1" (July 15, 2026)

Hosted by Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe, Draymond Green (guest), Angela Yee (guest)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap dives deep into the latest and most dramatic NBA headlines, bringing the legendary banter and unfiltered takes of Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco, and friends. The crew breaks down the heated altercation between Bam Adebayo and Tyler Herro, Victor Wembanyama’s headline-grabbing contract “pay cut,” and Draymond Green’s pointed beef with Udonis Haslam over NBA locker room culture and practice fight double standards. Classic player stories about contracts, money, and locker room squabbles provide plenty of perspective, insight, and laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bam Adebayo & Tyler Herro Altercation

[04:00 – 13:00]

• Background:
  Former Heat teammates Bam Adebayo and Tyler Herro got into a physical altercation on a Las Vegas practice court. Bam allegedly punched Herro over comments reportedly made by Herro on social media criticizing Bam’s max contract and questioning his value.

• Herro’s Comments:
  Tyler stated, “Should an elite defender be making $60 million a year? If I’m healthy, I need help, not the other guy...Who did Cleveland prioritize taking away in the playoffs?” ([04:00])

• Reaction & Analysis:

  • Shannon highlights Bam’s previously calm reputation but notes:

    “Every man has a breaking point, Ocho. I don’t care what it is.” ([05:10])

  • Ocho and Joe agree that public critiques, especially referencing another player's salary (“talking about his pockets”), cross a line that invites confrontation.
  • Ocho proposes, “Maybe apology from Hero saying, listen, I said some things I shouldn't have said...” ([07:05]), but Shannon retorts:

    “I might whip your ass every time I see you too.” ([07:13])

  • The crew digs into the dangers of leaking private DMs, discussing burner accounts and fake social media (“fence”), ultimately agreeing that Herro’s airing grievances publicly—and especially taking shots at a franchise pillar—set off the drama.
  • Speculation follows about the Miami Heat’s loyalty to Bam, likening him to Udonis Haslam in terms of organizational respect.

    “The only person that's been untouchable for the Heat is Bam.” ([25:23])

Memorable Quote:

“Why you think he got the name Bam? Yeah, what do you think he had the name Bam for?” – Shannon ([06:43])

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2. The Value of NBA Contracts & Player Pay

[13:00 – 18:45]

• Context:
  Discussion on rising NBA salaries, shifting economics, and how contract values have accelerated.

  • Example: Bam’s max money (“They only pay you what you’re worth”), Magic Johnson’s “lifetime” $1M/year deal is a far cry from today’s standards.
  • Shannon on the future:

    “Within 10 years, somebody's gonna sign a five-year contract for half a bill. Somebody gonna be making a 100 million a year.” ([15:15])

• Personal Stories:
  Shannon and Joe share experiences about their own rookie contracts compared to today’s massive figures.

  • Shannon: “My rookie year, Joe, I made 63,000... By the time Uncle Sam take his taxes, I ain't gonna bring home about, you know, mid-40s.” ([20:41])
  • Both reflect on how player salaries should inspire—“I can't get mad. How I get mad at the player... It should inspire.” ([17:14])

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3. Victor Wembanyama’s “Pay Cut” & the NBA’s Second Apron

[30:45 – 43:36]

• Headline:
  Wemby signs a 5-year, $252M max rookie extension, opting for 25% of the cap rather than 30%, taking a $50M pay cut to help the Spurs retain flexibility.

• Debate:

  • Shannon points out the structural issue:

    “The CBA should not be put on the player in position where he has to carry the burden in order to keep a team together. A system does that, we have a problem.” ([31:30])

  • The panel agrees: teams will now expect stars to take pay cuts for the “greater good,” but owners, broadcasters, and sponsors aren’t expected to take similar sacrifices.

    “These players are taking a discount, right?...NBC, Amazon, ESPN, tell me which one they gave a discount.” – Shannon ([33:25])

  • They discuss the punitive impact of the second apron/luxury tax, especially for teams that draft and develop talent (OKC and Boston cited).

    “I don’t think a team should be penalized for that. If you draft well and your teams do well, or your players over exceed expectations, man, you shouldn’t be punished because you can’t pay all of them.” – Joe ([41:00])

  • Criticism is laid at the player union’s feet for approving the CBA with these measures.

    “You, you got sellers remorse. Now you signed up on this because you were so hell bent on making sure teams don't become super teams.” – Shannon ([38:33])

Notable Exchange:

“How have billionaires convinced normal fans to turn on the millionaires, which are the players, and side with them?” – Shannon ([46:20])

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4. Locker Room Culture, Fights & Draymond-Udonis Haslam Beef

[62:20 – 72:22]

• Draymond’s Challenge:
  Draymond Green calls out Udonis Haslam for double standards—Haslam was critical of Draymond punching Jordan Poole in practice, but seemingly silent when Bam and Herro fought.

  “I just was wondering, like, man, I was…I wonder what Udonis Haslam gonna say.” – Draymond ([64:28])

  • Udonis Haslam’s public response:

    “If you think your big 32 year old, three or four rings at the time, have it ass swinging on a 23 year old Jordan Poole…then you're even more delusional than I thought.” ([65:13])

• Panel Reflection:

  • Shannon emphasizes the importance of spatial awareness and controlling practice beefs:

    “What I'm not gonna let you do…is close the distance and you still got that hostility.” ([66:46])

  • The difference in dynamics between football and basketball altercations is addressed, notable for size, environment, and emotional volatility.

• Takeaway:
  Everyone ultimately agrees that personal boundaries, context, and knowing who you’re dealing with in a locker room are crucial.

  • Ocho’s story about jumping on Orlando “Zeus” Brown’s back goes wrong, driving home the message about respecting individual boundaries ([74:24]).
  • Joe sums up locker room self-awareness:

    “You don't know what somebody endured… now you put him right back in a situation…now you got hell on your hands.” ([76:14])

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5. Ja Morant’s Fresh Start in Portland & Public Perception

[51:07 – 55:10]

• Ja Morant’s Statement:
  Now in Portland, Ja addresses his “bad boy” image:

  “I’ve done, you know, what I've done in the past, but it's been addressed and handled already, so I don't see why, you know, years later, that's still the topic…” ([51:07])

• Reactions:

  • Shannon: “Give me a chance. What I did there, I did there. Now I'm here. This is a new slate.” ([51:34])
  • Joe points out the public fixation on redemption stories, emphasizing the need for Ja to “stay focused…keep grinding.” ([52:21])
  • Ocho stresses: don’t strip Ja of his edge or personality—just avoid bad situations and “keep the guns off social media.” ([53:03], [53:12])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Shannon Sharpe:

  “Every decade, player like God almighty. No, look at the money they making.” ([15:46])
  “The CBA should not be put on the player… Don’t put that on us, on the players. They always do that.” ([31:30])
  “How have billionaires convinced normal fans to turn on the millionaires, which are the players?” ([46:20])

• Uncle Ocho (Chad Johnson):

  “You gotta know a person’s disposition. You gotta know who you can joke with.” ([73:23])
  (on Ja Morant) “Don’t take away what makes him special...just keep the guns off social media.” ([53:03])

• Draymond Green:

  “When I have respect for certain guys, it does matter when you have respect for God. And so when I saw that, I was just like, damn, man.” ([64:31])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:00] Bam Adebayo vs. Tyler Herro altercation unpacked
• [13:00] History and escalation of NBA contracts
• [30:45] Victor Wembanyama takes “pay cut” for Spurs — CBA ramifications
• [38:33] Why the CBA is hurting player retention & super teams
• [51:07] Ja Morant speaks on new start in Portland & public double standards
• [62:20] Draymond Green challenges Udonis Haslam on practice fights and culture

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Summary Takeaways

• Player respect and private disputes can bubble over into ugly, public altercations, especially when money and egos are involved.
• Economic shifts in the NBA are leading to systemic pressure for stars to take less—while ownership and sponsors never do.
• Locker room culture is complex: context, personal boundaries, and self-awareness can mean the difference between humor, harmony, and fistfights.
• Media narratives and fans are trained to side with billionaire owners over millionaire players, to the detriment of labor solidarity.
• Redemption and fresh starts are possible—if players manage to keep their edge without repeating their mistakes.

This episode mixes hard-hitting current events with personal storytelling and a genuine, unfiltered look at modern pro sports culture. It’s essential listening for anyone looking to understand the evolving business and personal drama behind the NBA headlines.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe]

Hey, whoa.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This doesn't look. Everybody have this nice Persona. They see him, he got a nice little late. He got a nice lady. Now here in Asia, he great couple. Great couple. Bam don't seem to bother anybody, but you kind of knew this would be a problem. Every man has a breaking point, Ocho. I don't care what it is. Every person has a breaking point. What you try to do is not get there. This, because here's the thing. I saw an interview. They said if someone was to have your back, to ask Tyler hero. He said bamboo. Now, I don't know if they cross path, but they both went to Kentucky, if I'm not mistaken, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Under. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now we're looking at a situation. Like you said, if anybody go have my back, it's going to be Bam. And then you turn around and you say this about Bam. So Bam tried to figure out what's really going on. No, I don't like that answer, Bop.

[Joe]

Absolutely. Yeah. Ain't no. Ain't. Ain't no talking.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't know. They got into a physical altar. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

From what I've heard is it happened at the basketball court at Resorts World. I guess. I guess Tyler was there with his AAU team. Did that sound about right, Joe?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Hey, hey, hey, listen. I like Tyler Herro. I like his swag. I like everything about him. But that's one thing. Hey, bro, you go to talking about guys, some of them dudes gonna make you eat them words you talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And especially talking about his pockets. Cause you basically talking about like he don't need it.

[Joe]

Yeah. So, hey, hey, hey. Keep your mouth shut. Keep my name out your mouth. You know what I'm talking about? So, hey, Bam. Bam ain't playing that, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, why you think he got the name Bam? Yeah, what do you think he had the name Bam for?

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn, man. Also, we gotta have a conversation, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, we talk about it now. I'm good now.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm just saying. I know they had an altercation, but I'm just saying. Cooler head, cooler head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can talk about it now.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, listen Maybe apology from. From hero saying, listen, I said some things I shouldn't have said. Listen, we're gonna have to cross paths for a very long time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I might whip your ass every time I see you too.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

They need to squash that, though.

[Joe]

But you gotta take into consideration Uncle Ocho. The man got traded. Emotions are high, so we know his logic gonna be pretty low. He probably said some things that he probably shouldn't have said or probably wish he wouldn't have said, but, hell, once you put it out, there ain't no taking it back, bro. Yeah, you got. You got to stand on it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to be careful sending people stuff in the dm because guess what? When they get mad, what are they gonna do? Screenshot it for the world to see?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, wait. Oh, he didn't type that publicly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was this public or was he. Was it something. Oh, why would he post? Hey, so. So Tyler Hero posted what he said about Bam. And not the guy that he post, not the guy that he was taking. Talking to in the deal.

[Joe]

What?

[Uncle Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

Everybody got burner accounts now? What's going on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Basically. Basically.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't got no. I ain't got no burner, Joe.

[Joe]

Everybody got burned. Account and fence. You got a Fenster.

[Uncle Ocho]

What's that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fake Instagram.

[Uncle Ocho]

Why would you need a fake Instagram?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Same reason you have a burner.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, they got an image to uphold. Like, I'm. I'm already. I'm known for being crazy and. And saying crazy stuff, so I don't need a fence or a burner.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what'll do. School was thinking. I really don't. I don't. I don't know why I don't. Like I said, that's your former teammate. And I get it. You upset because, like Joe said, emotions are high. You're getting traded. You didn't want to leave Miami. That's not. I mean, to leave Miami with no state income tax in nice weather, year round. I'm going back to Milwaukee. Hey, yeah, I'm from Milwaukee. I ain't trying to live there. I mean, he's from Wisconsin. I'm not gonna say Milwaukee. I guess he grew up about 35, 40 minutes away from Milwaukee.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. He can keep his house in Miami and come. Come, Come visit in the summer months.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, yeah, he got. He got a lady, got kids, so.

[Joe]

Hey, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. You ain't. You ain't gonna chase nothing in Milwaukee. Ain't nothing popping. Nah, ain't nothing popping.

[Joe]

But I think he didn't he ain't jumped the broom yet. I thought he jumped the broom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think they married. I don't think. Now, don't. Don't start me to lie, but if I'm not mistaken, I think I saw they had a picture on him of him and, And. And. And at the summer league. And I think she was here with him. So I don't. I don't. I don't know, Joe. I don't. I don't know if they're married, but I'm just saying, you know, he has two kids, but damn, Bam was. Bam was on some type of time.

[Joe]

Hey, he probably felt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know somebody got. I know somebody got it. Somebody got. Joe. Somebody got it on screen. Somebody got it on camera.

[Uncle Ocho]

Camera, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come out with it. 30,000, $40,000 to get that.

[Joe]

You think so?

[Uncle Ocho]

I gotta talk to. Man, I gotta talk to him.

[Joe]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Uncle Ocho]

You gotta simmer down, man. You can't be coming. You can't be around here. Just.

[Joe]

They probably just ran into each other and he probably was just like. You know what I mean? What's that? What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe. It's also reported Jimmy Butler and Tyler Hero were both reportedly unhappy after Bam received a max extension. Jimmy has distanced himself from Bam while Hero talked behind his back and even shared a graphic, a graphic taking shots at him on Instagram. Mark Stein reported this. Mark Stein says on the report that here's the Heat royalty, Mickey Harrison, Nick Harrison, Pat Riley. He is a modern day Yudonis Haslam. They consider him the absolute franchise pillar. I've always heard nothing, but he's held in high regard by his teammates. He's untouchable. That part of for sure. He's an extension of Pat Riley supposed ownership. He is. And UD basically took Bam under his wing.

[Joe]

But.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But once. Once UD turned down that money to go to Dallas, UD was golden. Yeah, UD took less money to stay in Miami.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

UD is like. UD is in Miami what Kobe is to the Lakers. Yeah, that's how they hold him in that. Yes, they hold him in that high regard.

[Joe]

He is he culture.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so bamboo this slid right in. No, I'm not saying. Because y' all know y' all gonna twist my words. I'm not saying UD is the equivalent player. I'm saying the way he's looked at, the way he's thought of because you know, y' all man uncle out of my uncle talking about, see, he'll do anything to glaze for LeBron talk about UD and kill Kobe. The same guys, they're thought of as what they are, not player wise. The culture, what they symbolize, what we want you to be. You see how UD showed up every day? Worked his ass off. Some days he played. UD might go 3, 4, 5 games, 10 games, not play, but when they called his name, he was ready to go Play.

[Joe]

Yes, sir. Every time. Every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kobe had this. What? Hey, you play for the Lakers, you put on that purple and gold. You represent.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Laker Nation.

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You play your ass off. Ain't no shortcuts around here. Bam is the exact same way. And I can see it. Yeah, I can see it.

[Joe]

But Bam. A great player, though, Ocho.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, you. We all. We talk about timing and guys getting paid. I mean, this is the timing, bro. He's the best player on that team. Obviously, you know, Giannis joining, but he can do everything at six, nine. He can guard, he can re, he can rebound, he can score. Hell, the man just scored, what, 75?

[Shannon Sharpe]

83.

[Joe]

83? Yeah.

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[Joe]

Damn, man. Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know what it is, Joe? People gotta understand. They paid him. They only pay you what you worth. That's why I'm saying you. If they. They valued him as a max player, whether you believe that he's a max player, it doesn't matter.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What somebody's willing to pay determines the value of said objects that they're paying for. And I hate to put it that. I'm just saying his contract. The Heat valued him as a max player. Yeah, they gave him max money. I don't really know what's complicated about that.

[Joe]

I don't. Me neither.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, and also, timing on time is everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, the thing is, Ocho, think about it. When LeBron. LeBron went back to. If I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think LeBron went back to Cleveland. LeBron signed a four year, $80 million deal. That was in 2012. Here we are, 14 years later, guys are signing extensions for $70 million. It is what it is. You can't get mad at your time. You were a high paid player. I think the thing is, people look at it like, well, if you're not a Michael Jordan or Kobe or Shaq or Magic, how you getting that kind of money? It's just a sign of the times. And it is what it is.

[Joe]

Hey, and the game is growing internationally in a rapid pace, man. So it's gonna continue. Hell yes, it's gonna continue to be up there, man. The money these dudes gonna Be making, man, by the time a lot of them done, Uncle Ocho, they gonna be over half a billion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, no, no, no. If y signs this contract next year, five years, 355, his career earnings will be 724. Joe, within 10 years, somebody's gonna sign a five year contract for half a bill. Somebody gonna be making a 100, 100 million a year. I got within 10 years.

[Joe]

I can see that. I can see that. I can see that. I can see it, man. I'm telling you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Crazy.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is what it is and I get it every decade. Player like God almighty. No, look at the money they making. I remember when Magic Johnson signed a lifetime contract. A million dollars a year, and that

[Joe]

was a lot of money. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A meal.

[Joe]

Them dudes scratching. They butt with that now, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys making a million dollars a game, damn near for real, though.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The guys making 750 a game.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys making 750, 000.

[Joe]

Every damn game came a long way, Uncle Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's just the same thing with football. I remember guys used to get a million dollar signing bonus and think they thought they hit the lottery. Now I got why you offer somebody a million dollar signing bonus? He better be an undrafted free agent. Oh, yo, you better not jump. I mean, think about the first round of what they getting. The first round is getting their contract fully guaranteed.

[Angela Yee]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So the $60 million fully guaranteed, they get you a check, cut you a check. 40 mil at the rip. It is what it is. I, I don't get. I can't get mad at a player. I don't get mad at anybody. I was like, well, hey, well, maybe if I go out here and do my job a little better, they pay me too.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the way I look at it. I can't get mad. How I get mad at the player.

[Joe]

It should inspire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He pay his damn self. Now if he paid his damn self, I was like, now you know you wrong for that. Yeah, but he did. They gave him that money. Yeah, but all I needed to do was see some of the guys that they were playing that they were paying. That's all I need to see, Ocho. I'm better than you, motivation. You make 250. Oh, I can't wait my contract up, Motivation. I can't wait to my contract up, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's the only way to look at how much you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How much you got. Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Motivation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Facts.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. My rookie year, Uncle Ocho, Paul Pierce had just signed for like 96 million. It was like his fifth.

[Uncle Ocho]

It was five years.

[Joe]

I think it was more like it probably about six or seven years, but it was like for 96 million and I was a rookie and boy, listen, I'm like, Damn, Paul got 96 million. Damn. He out here with this little weak ass jab step,

[Shannon Sharpe]

killing people with this

[Joe]

little, this little jab step.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he.

[Joe]

I'm talking about, he, he top three in the NBA and scoring. I'm like, shh. Boy, I gotta steal a little game from him. Add to my game. Cause, hey, when it's my time, I'm coming through, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, my rookie year, Joe, I made 63,000. I made 63,000. Got 22,000 to sign. You was bomb. I told Mr. Boland one time, the owner, he passed away, rest your soul. Mr. B, I told. I said, Mr. B, you paid me your. You gave my sign a bonus out your back pocket, didn't you? I said, you did. I said, but that's okay. He said, I think. He said, I think you made up for those years. I said, I did. You, you, you, you. You was right with me.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, but I think you think you got a pretty good player too, right? 53, 000, ocho.

[Joe]

And hey, Uncle Joe, what's up?

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, I'm thinking about too. You know how when you watch what's Russell Westbrook dribble or you watch like a derrick rolling dribble and be explosive. Tell me if I'm tripping on the comparison. I'm not saying they're the same player. I'm saying their mannerisms and with. In the way they play, it looks. It looks slow and lethargic the way Luca plays and Paul Pierce, it look like they moving in slow motion or am I tripping? You know what I'm trying to say?

[Joe]

Nah, you right, you right. They got. They got. They got two.

[Uncle Ocho]

The move always work and the move,

[Joe]

they always work because it's about. It's not about being faster or quicker than you, Ocho. It's being deceptive and having a quick first step. You know, if you got a quick first step in basketball, bro, you can control the game, meaning you can always get by your defender. You know what I mean? And you can always keep the defense in a hucklebuck. And you can shoot. See, both of them can shoot. That's what make them dangerous. You know what I mean? Man, I used to watch, hey, my rookie year, bro, I watched Paul Pierce score the easiest probably 46 points in his life just off a catch. Jab Jump shot. I'm like, damn, man, how they keep falling for this? But you know what I mean? It's like the little simple moves, but you have to perfect them. And man, when I tell y', all, he had it down to a science. Oh, my God, Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but that little bit of money, hey, and you think about it, $53,000. I mean, $63,000 a year. By the time Uncle Sam take his taxes, I ain't gonna bring home about, you know, mid-40s.

[Joe]

Damn, you still balling?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No way.

[Joe]

Tell the truth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look here. I was. I was first. I was first team all Pro, started the Pro Bowl. I went to three pro show with the

[Draymond Green]

one two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

92, 93. First team all pro. Led the Titan, Led all. Led the team. I led the team in receiving two straight years. 92, 93. Led all tight ends and catches, yards and touchdowns. In 93, made 325, was the first team All Pro and started the Pro bowl for 325.

[Joe]

Damn. That was with incentives and all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But look here. I had incentives from the previous contract, but I started taking incentives out when they didn't get. Let me get my. Get that 100,000. Cause I made 325. So check this out. Last game of the season, I need. I think I need like 121 yards. I get six for 116 in the first half. So I got 995 and two touchdowns. I don't catch another pass. Why you ain't tell John Ocho, Joe? I go back out there the next week, I catch 13 for a buck 53 and the touchdown in the playoff game. I told you.

[Uncle Ocho]

I, I didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I didn't. I didn't know it. I didn't know it at the time, Ocho. I didn't know.

[Draymond Green]

I didn't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I didn't know. I wasn't one of them guys. There are a lot of guys probably at half go look at their stats like, oh, man, I got this. Had I known, I probably would have. I'd never done that before, but I probably would have because to get a thousand receipt, tight ends didn't get a thousand yards back then. It's still a gold standard for a tight end to get a thousand yards. Especially we ran the ball. You was running the ball. That's why so few tight ends had a thousand yards, because everybody ran the ball, man. So I took. I took it out. And then they was like, you know, we want to do a contract extension, man. I was so happy. I took less money Because I could have. Could have got more. But that time, Joe, I had three kids. I had to feed a shit.

[Joe]

You had to get out of your.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, what? Y' all offering? Cause I could have been. I could have. If I'd have just waited. And my agent was like, you should wait. I said, I can't wait. Yeah, man, I got three kids.

[Joe]

I already know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I said I would love to wait. And I know they weren't trying to hear that. I was like, look, I might need y' all to hold, like, man, please.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I was like, hey, but that's all right. I said, that's all right. I get it. I get. I get back to the table.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll get back to the thing.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. It probably kept you working hard, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did it? Oh, yeah, Joe. I was spending money like I was making a million dollars a year. Between. Between the kids, private school. Yeah, between kids, private school, Ferrari. Bye.

[Commercial Announcer]

Bye.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sister stuff, you know? Hey. Cause when I first got to Denver, Ocho the joke, I was. My girlfriend was in school. I was paying for her, you know, I was sending her money so she could pay for doing.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was that type of.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's me.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, I can see that, man. I know you. I know you a good dude. You know what I mean? I can see you. I can see you doing. Ain't nothing wrong with that, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My mom. You know, my mom. My mom, like, hey, baby, you know, your mom. Your mom, like. I like mom. Look, I don't know what you think I said, but I ain't making spanky type money. But. Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe]

You running through that check you got ain't a man.

[Draymond Green]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, please. Yo, I had to have a car signing, man. I think I signed. What? The car. I think. Ocho, my rookie year back then, they used to send the cars to you, Joe. Yeah, but, you know, people start. You know how people are, Joe. They find, let somebody else sign the cars for them and ruin it for everybody.

[Joe]

I ain't gonna lie. I did that one time. Boy, I was a rookie, okay, Ocho. Boy, they hadn't sent me so many cards, but they had paid me a nice chunk of change. I'm like, ain't no way in hell I'm being finished. All these cars. I had my cousin sign them car. They sent them cars back so quick. Man, what is this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, but. But no, man. Hey, Bam. Hey, I don't. I don't condone violence, but I. I Just think, the thing is, Tyler, look, you felt that type of way, I don't know what you got paid. They were upset at you because every time they turn around, you were hurt. Tyler and Bam never said a word. Bam said, well, damn, man, bro sure wish he was out here. X, Y and Z. And that's one of the reasons. And I get it, you may cause your name always came up.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They have made it abundantly clear. Really, the only person that was untouchable was Bam.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The only person that's been untouchable for the Heat is Bam.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, rightfully so. Though there's a reason why.

[Joe]

Because he's so dynamic and so versatile. Uncle and Ocho, you know, you put him with the right squad like they put this great team in Miami that they got going now. And they add a couple more pieces, hey man, you got a championship caliber team. And he'll be, he'll be the centerpiece of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, just use your phone as a flashlight.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Victor with Miyama size a 5 year 252 million dollar max rookie scale extension. WEMBY decided to take the 25% max instead of the 30% supermax that would have with escalators would have been 303 million dollars. So are they gonna see that on the screen? Ash? So his salaries 27 is 43, 43,310,000. It could have been a tick below 52 billion and then he goes to 46, 770 and it could have been 56 million 130 and then he goes to 50 million 240 and it's a tick under 60.3 million. In 3031 it goes 53.7 to 64.45. So basically he took a 51 million dollar 50, 51 million dollar cut to state first chairman Peter J. Holtz, CEO R.C. buford and Brian Wright and coach Ms. Johnson travel to Paris to meet him and spend time with Victor and his family and his reps. Friday when Miyama essentially locked to earn a 300 supermax if he played 65 games next year, but opted to take significant left sacrifice at a flashpoint for the spurs to rise. NBA PPA is preparing to fight back hard against the second apron, especially now that the news of Wimby passing up the Supermax to help the spurs try to keep the roster together long term. The CBA should not be put on the player in position where he has to carry the burden in order to keep a team together. A system does that, we have a problem. I agree. Don't put that on us. Don't put that on us, on the players. They always do that. And I knew this was going to come because we talked about with the Jalen Brunson. Yeah, we talked. This is what teams are going to expect from their players. Nah, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Everybody's not gonna do that though. Especially teams that are not in a position like the spurs are. The spurs in a perfect position where if you do take a discount, there's a good chance that we can get the finals.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know how players come up,

[Uncle Ocho]

you know, and they are eligible. Supermax, they ain't taking no discount because, hey, we, we very far.

[Joe]

You know how they gonna paint the picture though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uncle Ojo, you selfish. Yeah, selfish.

[Joe]

You know how they gonna paint the picture? They gonna paint the picture just like that. But I think in Wimby's case, hell, he gonna make so much money off the court here, he gonna make up

[Shannon Sharpe]

all that I'm gonna get. Because guess what? I can still get this max contract and still get my money. Because guess what? I guarantee you them tickets ain't gonna get no cheaper.

[Joe]

I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even though women took a 50 million dollar hit, you think they gonna lower or raise the ticket prices every single year moving forward? Ocho concession. Do you think they're going to raise or lower the concession every single year moving forward? Joe, let me ask you a question. NBC, Amazon prime, espn, tell me which one they gave a discount. Because these players are taking a discount, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

You right.

[Joe]

Well, it just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're gonna talk about this in a second. Joe, before you go, you see what the Seattle Seahawks just went for? Joe Ocho. What they went for 9.8, 9.6. He bought the team in 1997 for 194 million.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

And that's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I'm not mistaken, I think it was 2023. Washington sold for 6 billion. Three years later, an extra 3.6 billion. Now I want to know, did they say, you know what? I'm gonna give you a discount on this. I know we worth about 9.6, but I'm gonna let you have it for 9. You see how they do and play and fans gonna eat it up. Fans don't know. Even if, even if the team Sacrifices, money. You still gonna pay full price. Your PSLs ain't gonna go down. Your playoff tickets ain't gonna. Price ain't gonna go down.

[Joe]

You're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, hey, they. They've. They've. I'm not gonna tell a player what he should or shouldn't do. That's your money you want to take. You want to give the team a discount? Give your team a discount.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, you got Cat about to get ready to come up. What Cat gonna do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cat said. Cat said he'd be willing to do it. That's what he said. But I'm looking. I already got me a ring.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was just getting ready to say.

[Joe]

But you did in New York. You beloved like you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna be beloved in New York, too. They gonna pay me.

[Angela Yee]

All.

[Draymond Green]

Right.

[Joe]

Hey, but what about the squad, though? If we pay you all that money, we're gonna have to get rid of two guys. We might have to let Bridges or OG a heart or somebody go.

[Uncle Ocho]

We.

[Joe]

We. We want to keep the band together, don't we? We want to run it back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They just gave OG 5 years for 206. When 28 comes up, he'll be eligible for. I'm just. I. I don't tell anybody how to live their life. If that's what you want to do, Cat, if that's what you want to do to keep this thing together, keep it together. But all I'm saying is the owner said he's not going into the second apron, so he ain't willing to sacrifice nothing, but he want the player to sacrifice.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, y' all hear me? People knocking on my door.

[Joe]

They saying you too loud.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, probably security.

[Joe]

But you gotta be able to. You gotta be able to some way somehow help teams that do draft pretty well, Ocho, you know what I mean? Like, it's gotta be something that can help them. Cause how do I get punished for drafting? Well, and obviously I gotta pay all these guys, but damn, it's gotta be some type of stipulations to where it's gotta be something in our favor.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, it's gonna be, what you call them? The OKC gonna be faced with this.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think they will get them guys a third contract, Joe?

[Joe]

Give who a third contract?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, see, with Shay and Chad and J Dub. So you mean tell me I'm have now I'm gonna have three guys making 300 million, right? I got three guys. Damn. They get a billion.

[Joe]

So out of them three, one of them gotta go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. And before you know it. They gonna whittle them down and both of them have to go. Shea is the only, I believe Shay is the still the only untouchable. So basically, because think about it, Boston only had two guys making that super max money. And they say one of them had to go, damn.

[Joe]

So they gonna, they gonna mess around and get J Dub up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but that, I, I don't, I, I, I agree. But here's the pa. This is what upsets me about player association. Gojo, y' all agreed to this. You just did this deal. You agreed to it. You, you got sellers remorse. Now you signed up on this because you were so hell bent on making sure teams don't become super teams, that you gave this and you knew the owners like, ain't no way in hell I'm paying for all this. It's. But what it does, it punishes players that are in line to get supermax contracts. Now. Teams get up off them.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's basically what's happening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You signed this deal. Terry Crews, T. Cruise. I've been knowing T. Cruise, he played with my brother, so I've been knowing T. Cruise 30 years. When I sat down with him, he said, shannon, a lot of people in Hollywood, he said, they nod yes, but they mean no. Yes, no. You, Joe. They just signed this deal, Joe. Yeah, so, so unless the owners went back and put these stipulations in there after the fact, what are we complaining about, Ocho? What are we complaining about? Joe, Joe, this is your field. Tell me what we're complaining about. Because you got these thousand dollar fifteen hundred, two thousand dollar lawyers that can read better and can comprehend better than what you can. Tell me what was added. So with this second apron, did this just come in this year or was it in the CBA that you negotiated?

[Joe]

I'm gonna be honest with you, Uncle Ocho, I have no damn idea. I don't. But this second April, I know it just started, you know what I mean? Because now you're having to break these teams up. But I don't know, you know, when it came into a play, whether it's been two or three years, but I'm just seeing the effects of it.

[Pharmaceutical Advertiser]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna tell you when it started. However, to see, say, NBA collective bargain agreement is set to expire the end of 2930 season. However, the league and the NBA Players association have an option to opt out of it agreement one year early by declaring their intentions to do so by 2028. Well, clearly they're gonna opt out of It.

[Joe]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

clearly they about to opt out of it.

[Joe]

Yeah, but it was put in place to stop. To stop them damn super teams.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah. So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I think the thing is, Joe. And I get it, I get it, but the problem that you run into is that when I draft well and my players perform well, you also prevent me from being able to keep them.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think a team should be penalized for that. If you draft well and your teams do well, or your players over exceed expectations, man, you shouldn't be punished because you can't pay all of them. You know what I mean? Like, there has to be some type of stipulations in there to where, hell, if I draft you, you know, we should be able to some way somehow keep you. And it don't really kill our salary cap like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The current agreement was ratified by the NBA PA membership in April of 2023. It took effect July 1, 2023. So Joe Ocho, they signed off on this. Yeah, they signed off on this.

[Uncle Ocho]

And what, this bargain agreement, what, 10 years, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, basically it's from 23, July of 23. It was. It was a ratify. It was certified, ratified in July of 2023. So. And it goes until 2030. But you can opt out. If you cannot, you can say, okay, I want to opt out. And so you opt out a year before the ends. And so in 28, it could be the final year of it. So in other words, everything that's in this contract, Joe was in there in 23 when they signed it. Yeah, yeah, but you see what happens, Joe? You looking at it like, if I get my max money, I don't care where I get it from, as long as I get my max money, whether I get it from okc, whether I get it from Golden State, whether I get it from the Knicks, as long as I get 250, as long as I get 350, I don't care who give it to me. Until you get on a team to have success, you're like, hold on, wait a minute. We're not gonna be able to stay

[Joe]

together because there's no middle ground. There's no in between. It's either either your. Either you getting the max contract or, hell, you almost getting peanuts. You feel me? And that's kind of how it is. So, hey, man, they put them figures in front of them boys. Ain't no telling, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know, Ocho. We know Firsthand. Because guys. Because guys like everybody. It's the players, Joe. Cause you know there's only a certain amount of people that's gonna make the supermax. Yeah. Just like Ocho. And I know there's only a certain amount of people that's gonna get the 100 million to 200 million dollar contracts in the NFL. Yeah, it's those guys that there. There are more guys that's gonna. That's not gonna make that. The guys that are and those guys that are not. Those are the one that they like, man. Hey, bro, you made. You already got 200 million in the bank. Yeah, I'm year to year, bro. I'm signing, I'm playing. Yeah, that's how it works.

[Joe]

And that's how it's been, bro, the past.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you gotta basically say, look here. Oo, I understand, bro, but I don't need to a tell the wife no expensive gifts. Don't get no second home. Don't do X, Y and Z. A K. I don't really try to tell you how to do it, but you can't have no baby mamas because we about to have to shut this thing down for a year or two.

[Joe]

That's the last thing you want or

[Shannon Sharpe]

in order to get what we want.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's hard to get everybody on that same thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It absolutely is.

[Uncle Ocho]

Especially with NFL players.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because, hey, I got a flaws. You know, I'm going, I got me about 4, 5, got me a, you know, I got me a. A G wagon. I got me a cullinan, got me two plouses. I got my mom 15, 20,000 square feet. No, get mom something that she could. Get mom something that she can clean herself. Yeah, get my 3,000 square feet, you get good 20,000. 3,000. How you gonna get a mom house bigger than yours? Because you gotta realize, Ocho, a lot of times you get mom these big houses, you got to pay to keep it up.

[Joe]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta pay somebody to cut the grass. You gotta pay somebody to come in there and clean. Give mom something they can clean. Hey, my sister can clean this right here. Pick up after yourself. It ain't nobody but two of y'.

[Angela Yee]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You and Granny.

[Joe]

Thanks Faith with you on that one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hopefully, like, they, they come to some type of resolution guys where they can figure this thing out. And, and because I agree, Joe, this burden should not be placed on the players. The players should not have to have the financial responsibility to say, we want to keep a team together. So what is the. What does the team do? Just sit Back.

[Joe]

I think. I think the teams. I think they kind of knew all along this was gonna happen. Yeah, you was gonna run into this problem. Look, they want all this money up front. They want these Max dollars. But, hell, at some point, these. Some of these max players gonna have to start taking haircuts if they want to continue to play on great teams. These owners knew that. Okay, Ocho, but guess what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But guess what? The owners never do. They all. But they never give these TVs, they never give these. The partners, they don't give them a discount. And guess they don't give these sponsors and advertisers discount. Because guess what the super bowl ad gonna be this year. Eight million. 32nd spot, Joe. And they got 240 of them.

[Joe]

Damn. Oh, yeah. Damn. But they billionaires, huh? They ain't giving no damn. They. They ain't cut that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's my point. That's what Ocho and I, we were talking about it from the very beginning. How have billionaires convinced normal fans to turn on the millionaires, which are the players inside with them?

[Joe]

They sharks, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They smart because they put it out there. You don't care about winning. You selfish. And then you take some of your best players when you get. Cause first of all, once Tom Brady did it and they won, the expectation is, you see what Tom did, and fans start to believe. Well, if you like Tom Brady. Tom Brady was making more off the field than he was on the field. Tom Brady wife at the time was doing 30 million a year. Hell, if my wife did 30 million a year, and I'm doing 15, 20 a year. Damn right. I give you a $5 million haircut, but my wife ain't making that. As a matter of fact, she costing me money. You know, your wife making money. If you marry somebody and they make you sign a prenup.

[Joe]

Oh, man. Oh, yeah. That mean. That mean you probably married into something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's reported that Travis signed a prenup with Taylor. She worked to a. Allegedly, she's worth 2 billion. When you making millions, you make 20 million a year. Plus off the field, probably another 5, 10. So you make 30 million a year. And your wife said, here, slide you this piece of paper and you have your lawyer read it over what that telling you? They ain't very many situations like that they've ready to meet a situation like that.

[Joe]

It ain't.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Joe]

You gonna feel away, though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no, I ain't feeling no way. Because I told people, I tell my homeboys all the time, they tell my shop, I Ain't got no money like you, man. I ain't got nothing, I said.

[Uncle Ocho]

Good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That way you leave with your nothing. All of your nothing. I don't want you to leave with 50 of your nothing.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, the funny thing about it, I. I don't know the percentage. I don't know the stat chat. You probably. You. You guys could probably find it faster than I can. You think about the wealthiest women in the world, right? Wealthiest women in the world. And what percentage of that wealth come from divorce?

[Shannon Sharpe]

A large chunk or. Or inherited.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. I'm saying outside of inheritance, if you look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Uncle Ocho]

Most of it has come from divorce.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So hopefully they can figure this thing out. Players figure it out. It's a lot of money to be made now. Cause if somebody pay. If somebody pay you 300 million, how much are you actually making them? Because they ain't turning. They ain't turning a loss now.

[Uncle Ocho]

They never turn a loss.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if they. If they willing to pay you 300 million, Joe, you bringing them half a bill, you don't even know it. Especially if you got one of these guys from overseas. You got a Wimpy or you got a Luca. Why you think they're trying to get NFL teams over there? Ocho, they're trying to get two teams over there because they. You. You just saw what they went for, right? So now a new team coming into the NFL, you can't come in less than 10, Bill.

[Joe]

Hold on. They trying to get it over where, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Overseas. They try to get two NFL teams overseas. Damn, that's a long flight. No, see, if they got two teams overseas, you go over there and you stay the whole. You stay up, you play. You play both teams. You stay for two weeks, come back.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ah, okay, okay, okay. But at some point, them teams gonna

[Shannon Sharpe]

have to come here now for sure. And then they'll stay two weeks, three weeks, and then they'll go back over there and stay two, three weeks.

[Uncle Ocho]

I like. I like that. I like that idea. That ain't bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But for. But for 20 billion, what you think the owner's thinking? And they chop that up 30 ways. Ew.

[Joe]

You say, how many billions?

[Shannon Sharpe]

10 billion. You ain't, because you're not gonna be able to get one for less than 10.

[Joe]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Cincinnati Bengals value just increased. I think the Cincinnati. I think y' all owed your. And I ain't taking no shot at you. I think you guys are the least valuable team. But least valuable. Least valuable now is 5 billion.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, okay. We rich.

[Shannon Sharpe]

5 billion. John Morant spoke for John. Morant spoke for the first time about the perceived bad boy image since being traded to Portland. Let's take a listen to what John had to say.

[Joe]

I mean, obviously, I've.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've done, you know, what I've done in the past, but it's been addressed and handled already, so I don't see why, you know, years later, that's still the topic when nothing happened since, you know, and I felt like if I was that guy, y' all wouldn't be talking to me now.

[Joe]

I wouldn't be here. So you did build up a big fan.

[Uncle Ocho]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, I agree with what he said. Like, look, bro, give me. Give me a chance. What I did there, I did there. Now I'm here. This is a new slate. I'm with a new team.

[Joe]

If I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I run a file, you have the right to bring that up. Now. Again, we just got it out of the way now, Ocho Joe, we addressed it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't need. Every time that we have a conversation, you talk about what I did in Memphis two years, three years ago.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. But we know. We know it's gonna follow him, Uncle Ocho. I know he don't want to hear. I know he want to move on. I know you want to start over, have a new slate, but, hey, man, some of the images that's left in people's head, bro, they. They want to know your thought process, what you were thinking at the time. What he has to do is just stay focused, bro, and keep grinding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Joe]

And that's it. Head down, keep chopping wood, partner.

[Uncle Ocho]

But. But along with that, too, Uncle Joe, obviously. Chat. Yeah, Y' all listening to me, too? We have to understand what makes Ja Moron special. You know, what makes him as exciting in the polarizing player that he was in Memphis. Not the off the court stuff. I'm talking about him on the court still remaining, allowing him to be himself without losing his edge. You could tape it back a little bit, but don't take away what makes him special. There's a certain it factor that he has, and there's a certain presence and aura that he brings in energy, you know, to a team, and we saw that with Memphis. So we. We don't want to take it all away from him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We just don't want. We. How about this here, Ocho? Just keep the guns off social media and keep the guns out of building where you shouldn't have them. That's all we asking.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hold on. I got one more. Okay.

[Joe]

Can.

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[Uncle Ocho]

Can he throw the grenade.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let the grenade go. Let the grenade go.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, I like all the antics because, you know, for one, it lets me know he's enjoying the game and having fun. And it seems like he's lost his joy for the game, Unc. And I could be wrong, but just by listening to him talk, like, I want to see him get back enthused about playing the game. I want to see. I want to get back. I want to see him get back to being that kid that we enjoy watching, bro, who. Who was box office star studded every night, you know, putting on the show. That's what we want to see, man. Like, you know, body language don't lie. You know what I'm saying? So when I. When I see you out there training, working out, playing, like, I want to see that enthusiasm coming from him, bro. Like, I just feel like the past couple years, because he's dealt with so many injuries and so many setbacks, you know, that it's took the love and joy and passion away from him even times he has played Uncle Ocho, hell, he's just been, you know, just kind of out there. I want to see him get back to having fun, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

And you know what also, you know, not only it changes scenery, it can be a good thing for you, but could also be a wake up call.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely woke him up. They moved it. He was a franchise player.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was just gonna say that. You the franchise player. You the face of Memphis over there. And they had the nerve to move me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they didn't get a whole lot for you. That lets you know, hey, Joe, now the next move, you know, it's gonna be. Cause they got little or nothing for an all NBA player, an all star player that's 25, 26 years of age. They basically had to give him away.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That ain't normal, bro. So, hey, hey, he another guy. You know, we talk about jb, who gonna be motivated. I'm looking forward to ja, you know, being motivated as well, bro. Getting back to. Getting back to enjoying the game, man. I gotta see it, bro. He got too much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Phenomenal, man.

[Joe]

Too much talent. Uncle Ocho, I gotta see it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But guys moved to a new start for me. I know it's back there, but. Okay, change of scenery now. He go here cut up now you. You just lost me.

[Joe]

No, I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm willing to give a man the benefit of the doubt that he's at a new. He's at a new scenery. He. He has a change of scenery. I believe he, hopefully he's learned his lesson and he gonna. Hey, he's gonna be a model citizen. Like I said, just keep the guns off social media, don't take them where you're not supposed to have them, and you'll be fine. I don't know what. I don't know what made the man put a firearm on social media, Joe. I still don't understand.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, just, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you don't be thinking, Joe. You don't.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, you get so caught in the moment, bro, from the times that it did happen to him when he was in the little strip joint and riding with his partner. Like, you get so caught up in the moment, bro, you know? I don't know, man. I ain't. I. I don't know, Joe. I ain't never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, we. We flew. Look, we. I ain't never thought about taking. Us taking up, taking that tool with me on the road.

[Joe]

I ain't either, okay? I ain't gonna lie. And it used to be a lot easier back in the day. Boy, you get that thing on there? I'm talking about what nobody know. Nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing. Cause we pulled right up, got off, ain't had to go through no metal detector. They just went right there, rock your ass right up on the step to the plate.

[Joe]

Nothing. Nothing, bro. I'm talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I definitely. I definitely ain't took no Barney Port used to tell us all the times it's the son, if you got to take a weapon somewhere with you, you don't need to go there.

[Joe]

Right? Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't need to go there.

[Joe]

He learned his lesson, man. He learned his lesson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe so. Yeah, I believe so.

[Joe]

It could be because behind all that, hell, he lost a lot of elves, boy. Even though. Even though. Even though he still has one of the hottest shoes out and the man ain't really played. It lets you know, bro, how. How iconic he is and what he means to the culture. Because these kids love him, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do.

[Joe]

They love him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Draymond Green wants to know if Udonis Haslam will keep the same energy for Bam Punching Tyler Hero that he did when Draymond punched Jordan Poole in order to provide a full context of what this beef is brewing, here's Draymond. Full quote about ud. Let's take a listen.

[Draymond Green]

I remember one person when the Jordan Poole incident happened with me was. Who was really, really, really outspoken about this. About it, who, like everyone else, didn't have a ton of context because you weren't there, but was really outspoken about it. And it really bothered me was Udonis Haslam. And the reason it really bothered me is because, man, everybody can have an opinion, and your opinion is what your opinion is. But, you know, I saw Udonis Haslam get into it with guys on teams that was younger than him before, a la Jimmy Butler. I had seen that before. And then he came out and he like, that's ridiculous. You get into it with your young guy. I would never. I can't believe you did that. It really bothered me because I was like, damn, man. Like, so this dude ain't never been. And this dude ain't never been in practice where somebody get into a fight. He never got into a fight in practice. Maybe not. He been in Miami the whole time. Maybe they don't have fights in their practices. You know, the Heat. What is it? Heat culture or Heat way? Or maybe they don't have fights. Like, it really threw me for a loop because, you know, I don't really care what most people say, but when I have respect for certain guys, it does matter when you have respect for God. And so when I saw that, I was just like, damn, man. This dude doing what everybody else doing, acting like he. And so when I first saw this, I was like, damn, this is two young guys you Donna Haslam raised. And, yeah, they not on the same team no more. But if you raise this young guy in the light of what you were saying about me, and now he punches this young. Other young guy that y' all kind of co raised. Are you going to have that same energy? And the reality is, I don't really want him to have the same energy because I love Bam. That's my brother. Love Bam. It's my dog. Won a gold medal. Gold medal together. So I actually wouldn't want someone to even have that same energy towards Bam. However, I. I just. I just was wondering, like, man, I was. I wonder what you done is. How's them gonna say

[Uncle Ocho]

he says, I'm back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, here's the thing. I'm not gonna read the whole whole thing, but you d tweeted at Moneygreen. I see things just don't change. You was on some sucker ish for years when you swung on Jordan Poole. And you want some sucker ish. Now, I usually don't engage, but since you went so far to the left to get my attention, here it is. If you think your big 32 year old, three or four rings at the time, have it ass swinging on a 23 year old Jordan Poole at the same time, same, then you're even more delusional than I thought. As you can see right there, he said, Look, Bam is 28. Tyler Hero is 26. And you know, he goes on, he says, call it heat, culture, whatever you want. Before I let one player disrespect fro spo in front of the squad, cut his legs out, disrupt 15 other guys trying to get accomplished, I'll kick his ass. I owe that to Zoe, to Tim Glenn and the rest of the og. I don't really vibe. Vibe you. And I think you know that unless it's me and Pride talk hoops, I won't mention you at all. But you brought. Basically said you brought it to me. So that's what it is, what it is. Me personally, I don't think. Look, I. I see it from both sides of the equation, Joe, but I look at it like this. And the one mistake that Jordan Poole left. Ocho, you know, if you got tension, okay, somebody on one end of the field and y' all talking, man, f you, Ocho. Ninja F you. You ain't gonna do nothing. All that wolf and all that talking. As long as you over there, I'm over here, we good. What I'm not gonna let you do Ocho and Joe is close the distance and you still got that hostility.

[Angela Yee]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that was Jordan Poole's mistake.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, somebody got that hostility, you don't let him walk up on you, you get off the first one. Now, if he's still standing out, that you might have to take off running. But if you get off a clean shot. Yeah, and he's still standing, you gonna get your ass whooped anyway.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, well, two things you got to have, right? I'm not sure where Jordan Poole grew up. I don't know anything about his background.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't either.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe, you always have to understand, for one, spatial awareness. Yes, spatial awareness, you know, and understanding and having self awareness. Especially when you. When you get into it with somebody. And I think maybe Jordan Poole thought, well, we're in a structured environment, you know, we're at practice. I don't expect anything like that to happen here. But that's what most of the Time in general, it happens. So, I mean, it happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What they do? Oh, Joe. What they do that at? Joe, where they do that at? You argue, you don't see pickup. Do you know, all of a sudden, if two people. And obviously, I'm saying a football field, but in a basketball court, the basketball gym is only a practice gym is only so big so you could hear everything he's saying. And that man getting closer and closer. And y' all still the elevation is in both of you guys voice, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you let that man close the distance to be able to get that shot off on you.

[Joe]

Yeah, because. Because if you see the video, Jordan Poole kind of pushed him first, and then that's when he came with the. You know. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, you know, I don't really know, bro. I think in certain situations, certain guys, he wasn't thinking that Draymond was going, no, he ain't thinking that, man. This is my damn teammate. Yeah, we gonna have disagreements. We gonna be pissed at each other. But see, basketball and football different. Do you have fights in the locker rooms?

[Draymond Green]

Hell, yeah. You do.

[Joe]

But I bet you in football, hell, it's 50, 52, 53 on the damn team. It's way more fights in football than it is in basketball, especially doing teammates. Y' all play a gladiator sport, you know what I mean? It's just a difference.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know why, Joe? Because as you said, there's so much testosterone, and ain't nobody willing to let nobody punk them, right? So somebody might be willing to take a ass cut just to prove a point. You not f. To punk me. Especially when you start that. When that boy start elevating. You know, though, Joe, we've all done been around. We done been in the fight. I ain't been in no 15. I ain't no professional fighter.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I've been in enough fights, and I've seen enough situations. I'm like, okay, let me try to diffuse this, because I already see where this thing is headed.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nobody backing down and ain't nobody going back down unless somebody try to let cooler head prevail. Yeah. Hey, man, come on, man. Bro, we don't need this. Nah, that. Hey, I'm gonna see if he really own what he talking about.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You really gotta have somebody to step in and de escalate the situation. Because even though we teammates, you know, man, when them emotions get high, boy, you ain't studying all that. You ready to go back out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, that team. I Don't know you. I ain't never seen you before a day of my damn life. Hey, you acting reckless and. Yeah, and there are certain key words, all that. Hey, suck my. You know what? You'll be your. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Uncle Ocho]

We have one trigger word down here in Miami. Actually, two trigger words down here in Miami. If you call anybody this, it's time to go. I don't care where you at, your church, your school graduation, it's on you call somebody a. Yeah, man, listen. Hey, grandma. Hey, tell your grandma take a church hat off.

[Joe]

I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. I know your trigger word. Now I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, listen.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, don't.

[Draymond Green]

Don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

Don't play with yourself like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, this. But. And I. And I get what Bam said. Draymond, you 32, 33 years old. That's a 23 year old. He ain't expecting that. He not expecting his og. But you have to give. Have to. You have to, like, okay, we're in the art. The mere fact that we're in an argument lets me know that. Hold on. This ain't normal.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have you seen. Have you ever seen Draymond get in an argument with Clay? Have you ever seen him get an argument. Loon. Have you ever seen me get. No argument with Steph? So you gotta. Hey, you gotta, like. Okay, I gotta maneuver this man. Hold on. Wait a minute. And he getting closer and close, but in certain. Like you said, Joe, he pushed him. Man, that man don't walked up on you.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He done closed the distance.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Yeah, that's. I'm sorry. That's.

[Joe]

It's super unfortunate, but I disagree with Draymond because it's a whole total different situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That man wasn't talking about you.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, what the story is alleged is that he was talking about how he was cooking him.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In practice.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tyler Hero allegedly took screenshot, was saying stuff, and somebody took a screenshot of it.

[Joe]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a whole. That's a whole different. I don't believe Bam would have just got into an argument. Nothing. All of a sudden, they stay teammates and they just get. And all of a sudden they get into an argument about something. Ah, yeah. I don't see that happening.

[Joe]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. People get mad and people say things. You know, sometimes. Hey. A lot of times when people get upset. They've been dying to tell you that anyway.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they just did. They just did. An opportunity never presented itself, Joe, for them to tell you how they really felt about you. This was the opportunity to really tell you how they really feel. And then the other reports came out that says, you know, Jimmy Butler allegedly distanced himself for bad because they felt Bamboo was untouchable. The Heat Organization. And I read there are other people in the Heat Organization. I don't know. I mean, I'm just rereading it. I'm like, oh, whatever it is, it is what it is. But I'm just saying I don't agree with Dre on this one. I understand what he's. His point he's trying to make.

[Joe]

But

[Shannon Sharpe]

the question is, if Tyler Hero doesn't say what he says about Bam, does Bam have the reaction that he has?

[Draymond Green]

Ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't believe he does.

[Joe]

He could.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know Bam.

[Joe]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All I know is Bam. What I see on television, I don't know the man.

[Joe]

Nah, it's certain stuff you can keep in house, even if it's rumors about you, and maybe you even know them to be true. But when somebody posts something about you, bro, it's different. Hey, when we see each other, at least we gotta rap about it. You feel me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if Bam just felt away and just stole off on him, but damn, bro, that's how you've been feeling the whole time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, that seems to be the consensus that he walked up and, hey, he was really. Pow. Damn. You ain't even. That's what's wrong. You didn't get wrong, guys. You just said, what's the pow? But like I said, I don't know, Bam. So I. And that's the thing also, Joe and Ocho, you know this. You got to know a person's disposition. You got to know who you can joke with.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to know who you can play with. You got to know who you could like certain things. Like, hey, certain people, you can't make no jokes, right? About their family, about their kids, about anything. You make a joke about guys play and do be ready to fight going left. Hell, my grandma could have caught that one.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, let that go. Oh, I let it go just like you let that ball go. You know what I'm saying?

[Draymond Green]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

but you got. You gotta know. Cause everybody don't play like you play.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, no, you gotta be aware. It's all about self awareness, knowing who you can joke with. Especially in a locker room with 53 players, you know who to play with, and you know who not to play with. I had A problem. You know how I play around, remember? Well, you don't think you was there yet when Zeus. Orlando Brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Orlando Brown, man, Joe, I had. I had left. I had retired when he came. When he came back to Baltimore.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had already retired, Ojo.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's a story, Joe. We had that warming up before the game start. You know how the players warm up. I'm like, golly, man, dude, big as hell. Mind you me being my funny self. I went and jumped on his back, you know. Now people jump on your back.

[Joe]

Yeah, on his back. You didn't know him.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, I ain't know him. I ain't know him. But I thought, you know, I thought, you know, when he saw it was me, he was going to be cool.

[Joe]

Yeah, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Uncle Joe, man, that nigga tried to whoop my ass on the field, boy. I had to run to the locker room just to finish warming up. I had to go get Big Willie. I had that Big Willie come out and talk to him. And Orlando Brown Jr. He talked about that story all the time. Every time I seen him, man. Russ Pop soul, man. Hey, everybody don't play the same, though. I learned the hallway because he was. Hey, hey, Joe. He was dead serious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't a guy that.

[Uncle Ocho]

That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He don't play around like that. Played like that.

[Uncle Ocho]

And I'm like, I'm just playing, man. He said, I don't give a. Who the you think I am. You'd be jumping on my back.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And he squared up with me and, man, man, I took off to the locker room, man.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. I bet. I bet you didn't jump on nobody else damn back, did you?

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, yeah. Ray Ray Lewis. Yeah. You saw what I did.

[Joe]

Come on. Come on. Hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you.

[Joe]

But you, right? But you're right, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Joe]

You don't know, bro. And you take a guy's demeanor for granted. He may have been thinking like, man, I ain't never seen Bam pissed off. He ain't gonna do number, though. Yeah. Mess around and find out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And what happened if the day that. You want a joke, he's having the worst day of his life.

[Joe]

Ooh, you gonna catch the repercussions of it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't know what somebody endured while they were a child.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't know their background. Because remember now, when you deal with an individual lady. Deal with a guy. Guy. Deal with a lady. You're not just dealing with her. You're dealing with her past. You're dealing with her trauma.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you don't know. It might be a situation that somebody has said something to him, and he wasn't in a situation where he could defend himself like he can now. Yeah, now you put him right back in a situation that he had hoped he'd never be in, but he can defend himself now. Yeah, now you got hell on your hands. Now you got the A.

[Joe]

Everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you got to be a hostage negotiator to talk his ass down. I'm just saying.

[Joe]

And now you got a black eye.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See it playing, playing now. Now it's. It's. It's. It's. Cause I like. Like, you rock around on the team, Y' all still got to be teammates. And this man that whipped you, how that works, how that works?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey,

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just Chad. I don't know. Cause I've been on team where we had fights, and, you know, I ain't know. Everybody know I was the guy. I was kind of like the. The voice of reason. You know, I was trying to keep peace with everybody. Defense, offense. But then sometimes, hey, you say something about somebody mama, and his mama's dead.

[Uncle Ocho]

What's up? What's up? Hey, I have. How many fights?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You didn't know that?

[Uncle Ocho]

You ain't never had no fights in training camp? Especially training camp? No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no, man. Ocho, man, it's 100 degrees. We're gonna be out there two hours. I'm saving that energy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I had one fight. I never forget. I had one fight with our safety. At the time. I think it was. I don't think. I don't know if you remember. His name was Madu Williams. He was really good. He was nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do.

[Draymond Green]

I know.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Really, really solid safety. And we got into it. I forgot what it was. Maybe hit me after a play or something like that, but. But, yeah, it wasn't long. We just, you know, little scuffle. Yeah, that was it. That was the only time. Only. Only time I ever had had a fight. And I was in training camp at Georgetown, and probably we had that fight. We was tired of playing against each other.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he probably.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably overly aggressive. Yeah. Ojo.

[Uncle Ocho]

Huh?

[Joe]

He was overly aggressive?

[Uncle Ocho]

I think so. I think he might have been. And knowing that. Okay, we got the pads on. If anything, just thud me up. Of all players that actually hit. Don't hit me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah,

[Uncle Ocho]

hey, Joe. Don't hit me on Sunday. You know, And I. I just, you know. Well, Marvin. Marvin said. Well, Marvin hit that whistle. Man 2 on get y' all that. And then that was the end of it right there.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I. Hey. Cause I already know. Hey. Well, we're not practicing hard enough. If you got that kind of energy to fight, we're not practicing hard enough. Let's go. Another 30 minutes, bro. We out there. Hour 45 already.

[Joe]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

and in two a day. Oh, man. Nah, bro. Now, if you brought. You know, you have a joint practice. Oo, that's something entirely different.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, now that's old. No matter what.

[Joe]

Tired, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you want to do, man? Hey, let's get. Let's get out of this practice. Every play, Joe. Clap, clap, clap. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Cut it out. Hey, get his ass out of there. Somebody in there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Get in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Next play, same thing.

[Uncle Ocho]

Same thing. You know what's funny, Joe? Uncle Joe?

[Joe]

What's that?

[Uncle Ocho]

Every year on espn, they have these long think pieces about joint practices and everybody fighting. Mind you, I've been retired. Not 13 years. At every joint practice, it's a fight, and they get on ESPN acting like, oh, my goodness, I can't believe they fighting in training camp.

[Draymond Green]

Hello.

[Uncle Ocho]

Have y' all ever been in an organized activity with two different teams competing with pads on? Hey, that's gonna always be a fight.

[Joe]

And plus, hell, y' all tired of playing against each other. So once you do play against somebody else, all that testosterone started to come out because that. That y' all playing a. A sport that's built off contact.

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[Joe]

Y' all looking for it. Y' all looking for the confrontation, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Joe, we play a sport that was built on intimidation.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's a good one. That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We trying. We're tr. We're trying to break a move a man. We're trying to break a man's spirit.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what football was founded on. You got a plot of land? I got a plot of land. My job is to try to get as far as I can on your plot of land. Your job is to try to get as far as I can you can on my plot of land. I ain't going nowhere. Because I know if you keep setting up shop on my side, pretty soon you're gonna own the real estate and I ain't gonna have nothing.

[Joe]

Hello. Hello.

[Uncle Ocho]

I like that. And it's so funny if you think about it, Uncle Joe. I mean, obviously, y' all see me in person. Joe. You see me, Uncle. You seen me for years. Is the intimidating factor is I wasn't able to do it because I'm not imposingly intimidating at all, Uncle Joe. I tried to Intimidate as well. But I played the middle game, right? Trash talking. Now, if I get you out your game, I'm gonna get you out your game up here. Not with this, because I don't have that. So I had to use talking trash to get you out the game. If I can get you to. If I can get you angry, I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Uncle Ocho]

I got you by this much. I just need to get you angry. I need to get you to converse with me, which is why I never wore mouthpiece, Joe. I ain't wearing mouthpiece. No purpose. If I can get you in a conversation. Yeah, I got him all game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know what? Even no matter where I've been, you know, we playing cards, we rolling dice. I said, look, guys, hey, somebody gonna win, somebody gonna lose, somebody gonna be talking ish and somebody gonna get upset. We gonna keep our hands to ourself.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nobody here got. I got kids, you got kids, you got kids, but I don't see none of them right here at this table. Keep your hands to yourself. We fine. We fine.

[Joe]

You know how they go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We cool.

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