Nightcap Hour 2: Shakur & Unc GET PERSONAL + Charles Barkley says LeBron Should END CAREER in Cleveland + Jaylen Brunson’s Game 1 FINALS JERSEY Sells for $1M

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Shakur & Unc Get Personal + Charles Barkley on LeBron’s Finale + Brunson’s $1M Jersey

Date: July 10, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (Ocho), Guest: Shakur Stevenson

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the world of boxing with special guest Shakur Stevenson, who gets personal with the hosts on topics ranging from his style and future fights to debates about legacy and criticism. The conversation seamlessly shifts to NBA topics, including Charles Barkley’s strong opinion on where LeBron James should end his career, the ongoing “GOAT” debate, and the sensational auction of Jalen Brunson’s NBA Finals jersey for $1 million. Throughout, expect unfiltered, sometimes heated but always insightful, banter—true to the show’s reputation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Shakur Stevenson vs. The Critics (04:08 – 25:29)

• Playful Trash Talk & Matchmaking

  • Shakur and the hosts rib each other about bets, hypothetical fights, and who would take whom in the ring.
  • Joe claims, "If you can't knock out Teofimo, you damn sure can't knock me out" (04:12), sparking back-and-forth about weight classes and willingness to bet big.

• Debate about Boxing Styles

  • Joe criticizes Shakur’s fighting style as "boring," referencing his match with Teofimo Lopez.

  • Shakur defends his style, discussing the nuances and entertainment value, pushing back:

    "When you can't explain it, then I don't respect it. Like, you can say that style is not amazing. What style is not amazing?" – Shakur, (09:56)

  • Joe responds:

    "I want you to fight like Tommy Hearns, like Roy Jones, like Floyd in the beginning, not this, what you're doing." (10:38)

  • The debate turns personal, with Shakur questioning Joe’s knowledge of boxing and accusing him of not doing his homework—especially since Joe hadn’t watched Shakur’s recent Williams Zepeda fight.

• Knowledge, Respect, and Legacy

  • Shakur cites praise from legends like Floyd Mayweather and Terence Crawford to validate his approach,

    "Why do you think a guy like Floyd Mayweather, call me little TBE…all these great fighters surrounding me talk to me about my style, and you saying here, tell me I’m supposed to take your opinion serious?" – Shakur, (13:33)

  • Ocho steps in to moderate, noting that everyone is expressing their own opinion and perspective.

• Respect Amid Debate

  • Despite the heat, the participants reaffirm their respect:

    "It's all love, man." – Shakur (24:23) "Congratulations, man. Look here, make these fights happen, Shakur. Make your money." – Joe (25:08)

  • Shakur discusses his goals for the rest of his career, aiming for “five more years, 200 mil” (25:22), and using his knowledge long-term—whether as a promoter or in another boxing capacity.

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2. Who Should Shakur Stevenson Fight Next? (32:26 – 36:44)

• Hosts Debate Dream Matchups

  • Ocho favors a chess match with Lamont Roach:

    "...that fighting style between Lamont Roach and Shakur Stevenson, to me, would be the best chess match for those that actually enjoy the sport of boxing and the sweet sciences." (33:12)

  • Joe wants to see Shakur face Devin Haney for a high-skill, high-stakes bout (33:34).

  • Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia are also discussed, but both hosts point out Garcia’s tendency to make costly mistakes.

• Challenges of Making Big Fights

  • A candid discussion on why major fights often stall: purse splits, A-side/B-side debates, and contractual obstacles (36:01–37:58).
  • Joe laments, "Everybody want to be the A[side], and nobody want to be the B...Everybody wants their name first on the marquee." (36:24)

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3. On Belts vs. Bags: Modern Boxing Priorities (37:03 – 38:10)

• Fighters’ Shifting Focus

  • A look at how fighters now prioritize larger paydays over championship belts:

    "They trying to get that bag because it used to be the belts were the thing…but these guys now… damn them belts. Give me the money." – Ocho (37:38)

  • Past champs’ homes filled with belts are contrasted with today’s pay-focused mindset.

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4. Nightcap’s Personal Boxing Stories (38:29 – 42:57)

• Ocho’s Sparring Tales

  • Ocho recounts entering training camps with top fighters like the Charlo twins, Caleb Plant, and Boots, and how humbling—yet fun—it is to spar round after round.
  • Both hosts agree: facing elite athletes in their arena is a lesson in “levels” (40:07–41:14).

• Cross-Sport Comparisons

  • Analogies are drawn between covering NFL greats in their primes and facing pro boxers in the ring—emphasizing the big gap between amateurs and pros.

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5. Charles Barkley: LeBron Should End with the Cavs (43:39 – 59:01)

• Barkley’s Take

  • The hosts relay Charles Barkley’s comments that LeBron should finish his career in Cleveland (43:39–44:00).
  • Joe summarizes the criticism: if LeBron moves again, critics will label him a “ring chaser” regardless of destination.

• Ongoing GOAT Debates

  • Ocho offers a different perspective:

    "Do you understand the kind of cachet and power you have to have and being undeniably good for wherever you go, it’s the winner ring…that team a chance to win a ring. That’s how good he is." (50:48)

  • Hosts discuss the never-ending Jordan vs. LeBron debate:

    "The only guy that’s ever been mentioned consistently with Mike is LeBron." – Joe (52:42)

  • They point out that, at some level, criticism comes with greatness:

    "As long as he’s playing, these are going to be his expectations." – Tab Ramos (58:13) "For him to have to endure this for 23 years and never lash out…that’s a feat in and of itself." – Joe (58:19)

• Fan & Media Pressure

  • Acknowledgement that “no matter where LeBron goes,” narratives of “ring chasing” will follow.
  • Ocho comments on LeBron’s unique stature:

    “Wherever he’s going, he is that valuable and is that much of an asset…” (50:48)

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6. The Value of Game-Worn Sports Memorabilia (59:21 – 60:48)

• Jalen Brunson’s Finals Jersey Sells for $1M

  • Joe and Ocho express shock at the price tag.
  • Joe reveals players often don’t keep their own jerseys, as teams/merchandisers swap them out at halftime or after big games for auction (59:35–60:00).

• Tom Brady’s Memorabilia

  • Brief banter about whether the NFL legend has kept all his Super Bowl jerseys, with speculation that memorabilia companies own many.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You can’t talk about somebody playing a hundred times a year and somebody that fight two times a year…You can’t compare the two.” – Shakur Stevenson (12:49)
• "They trying to get that bag because it used to be the belts were a thing…” – Ocho (37:38)
• "You got somebody…like, oh, I’m gonna do you up, Joe. Like, no, no, you’re not, because I’m not gonna let you go back.” – Joe (40:30)
• “Put some respect on my name when you talking. That’s all I ask.” – Shakur Stevenson (19:43)
• "But these guys now…damn them belts. Give me the money.” – Ocho (37:58)
• “For him to have endured this for 23 years…and never really lash out…that’s a feat in and of itself.” – Joe on LeBron (58:19)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 04:08 – Shakur joins for personal debate and trash talk about boxing style and careers.
• 09:56 – Shakur demands Joe explain his criticism of boxing style.
• 13:33 – Shakur invokes praise from boxing legends to rebuff critics.
• 18:56 – Ocho moderates the “opinion vs. education” debate.
• 24:23 – 25:22 – Mutual respect, future plans, financial goals.
• 32:26 – Dream opponents for Shakur—Roach, Haney, Tank, and Garcia discussed.
• 37:03 – Shift from belts to bag: Why boxers fight for money.
• 38:29 – 42:57 – Ocho’s stories sparring with pro fighters.
• 43:39 – 44:00 – Barkley on LeBron, legacy talk.
• 52:42 – 58:19 – Deep-dive into the “GOAT” debate and legacy pressure.
• 59:21 – 60:48 – $1 million for Brunson’s jersey and sports memorabilia business.

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Tone & Vibe

The episode is heated, passionate, but good-natured—a classic “barbershop” feel, full of sports knowledge, tough love, and competitive banter. Respect always underpins even the most pointed arguments, and every debate is peppered with laughter and personal stories.

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Looking for opinions on boxing’s future, NBA legacy debates, and a glimpse behind the scenes at how pros talk about greatness? This episode of Nightcap is can’t-miss.

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[Shakur Stevenson]

I see. I seen you throw something at Bud like a little play drawing like you

[Joe]

ain't really hey, I tell you what. Hey, the little cake blows if you can't knock out Teofimo, you damn sure can't knock me out until female beat your ass. I said you you couldn't knock him out. But you talking about you won't look

[Shakur Stevenson]

Meo was bigger than me. I came up to his weight class. Mickey Mouse I came up to his weight class. He wasn't 130. I was 135. He was 140.

[Joe]

I eat £140 worth of food.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You said Tio. You said I could not come out. So no you will beat your ass.

[Joe]

That ain't got nothing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I know

[Ocho]

you ain't doing that.

[Joe]

I'm betting tank against no you're not.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You bluffing.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Shakur, make it happen.

[Joe]

I'm ready to fight. You said one of those four fighters.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You tell Tank to fight me. Why haven't he fight. Why haven't he fought me?

[Joe]

He got some issues right now. Give him a minute. He got to get that settled. He wants to get that settled.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm all for that. I mean, if he got his situation with his. I don't wish no bad upon no man. I don't wish no bad no jail or none of that stuff. I, you know, I hope he get everything right with his personal life. But, but, but, but, but you. You ain't gonna bet that money for real. You bluffy. I'm going back.

[Joe]

I'm going back.

[Ocho]

It might not. Hey, the bet might not be. Oh, he gonna.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He gonna bet something like.

[Ocho]

Nah, he gonna. You gonna bet something nice, but not. He ain't betting no hundred thousand.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What are you gonna bet?

[Joe]

What's the number we gonna bet?

[Ocho]

I say that's.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's what you're gonna bet. Oh, oh, oh. I'm acting up right now. When he go bet, what that got to do with you right now? What you going back? Don't save them.

[Ocho]

I'm saying the numbers. Don't say I get my cut.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, you saved him up.

[Joe]

Hold on. What you mean, save me?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, Shakur.

[Ocho]

Yo.

[Joe]

I know you had. You had a lot to say about that situation that I went through last year. Don't let that situation.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What situation?

[Joe]

I. I still write a check. The bank can't. The bank will bounce.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What situation?

[Joe]

I know you've been. I know you've been fighting for a minute.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm confused. What situation you talking about?

[Joe]

Don't worry about it. We'll. We'll talk off screen. I know you've been fighting for a minute. Your pocket's not that deep.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay? So, Betty, that's all I. I've never said.

[Joe]

I'mma put it out there for you like this here. I know you've been fighting for a minute. Your pocket's not this d. I'm not

[Shakur Stevenson]

trying to have a. A competition on who pocket people don't talk about.

[Joe]

I'm scared.

[Zepbound Medication Announcer]

I'm not.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm not trying to have a competition off of who pockets deeper.

[Ocho]

You.

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You.

[Zepbound Medication Announcer]

Okay?

[Shakur Stevenson]

How old are you?

[Joe]

Because you talk about, oh, you not going or you scared? Ain't no scared here.

[Shakur Stevenson]

How old are you?

[Joe]

Okay.

[Shakur Stevenson]

How old are you?

[Joe]

Hey, don't worry about how old are you? The money.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hold on. How old are you?

[Joe]

I Don't know how old I am.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I get your age, I have more money than you.

[Joe]

They take, bro. All I' ma say is this. All I'm gonna say is this. They still take money from the 1800s so money don't get on down.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But you went to a place where I'm ready to go. Once I get your ass, I ain't gonna bet.

[Joe]

No, you kept saying, once I get

[Shakur Stevenson]

your ass, like I ain't got no money.

[Joe]

Look here, I gotta know, okay? When I leave here, I'm gonna leave my kids in a better situation.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's why I say we ain't even. We ain't got to go.

[Ocho]

To

[Shakur Stevenson]

say something about the situation. I ain't say nothing about yourself.

[Joe]

No, I. No, you did. You did. You was talking because you heard what I said. I heard what you said. Somebody sent it to her that he got in the situation. I heard what you said and you know, you said it. Don't.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I probably did. I probably did.

[Joe]

I've been mad.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But you talking about you got more money than me right now. I'm co. Telling you, by the time I get your age, I bet I got more money than you.

[Joe]

No. What? I said, what? Hold on. Hope you live to get my age.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I will. I'm gonna be here.

[Joe]

I've been your age. You've never been mine.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You're right. I agree, though.

[Joe]

I said this. I heard you said, you know. So what happened is that you didn't like what I said about your style. You said something slick about the situation I went into. Yeah, because you did.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Speaking on the style that you don't know nothing about.

[Joe]

That's nothing personal. That's my opinion.

[Ocho]

You. Hold on, hold up.

[Joe]

That's.

[Ocho]

Let me.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Let me. Let me get this straight, right? You sit here telling me, oh, you boring. And you, this, you.

[Ocho]

You.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You like talking to me?

[Joe]

Opinion.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You like talking to me, huh?

[Joe]

I do.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay.

[Joe]

I do. But it's an op. Let me ask you a question. Who. Your fa.

[Commercial Voice]

Who.

[Joe]

Who's the best basketball player in the NBA?

[Ocho]

Kawhi Leonard.

[Joe]

See, that's your opinion. Ain't nobody else. But see, you got upset. You see, Joe didn't get upset. Ocho didn't get upset. I didn't get upset. That's your opinion. You got upset at me because. And I told Ocho. I said, ocho, he's an amazing fighter. I said that, but you left. But, see, you didn't want to hear that part. You just like the part like that style is not entertaining to me. That's what I said. That was my exact word. I said, ocho, he's amazing. And the number that he did on. On Teofimo tonight, when you can't explain

[Shakur Stevenson]

it, then I don't respect it. Like, you can say that style is not amazing. What style is not amazing?

[Joe]

No, I didn't say. I said, no, I said that style is not entertaining.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What style is not entertaining?

[Joe]

The style that you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What is the style?

[Joe]

That style that you. You like? I think the thing is, is that you're more concerned about being undefeated. I would like more. I like more of a Sugar Ray. I like.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm asking about the style, not what I'm concerned with. You said the style is not entertaining.

[Joe]

The style that you fight at, what

[Shakur Stevenson]

you did, that's what style.

[Joe]

No, not a style.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You can't explain it.

[Joe]

What I'm talking about, you know, I want you to explain entertainment.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I want you to explain it when you talk.

[Joe]

I want Sugar Ray style. I want you to fight like. So basically, I want you to fight like Tommy Hearns. I want you to fight like Roy Jones. I want you to fight like Floyd in the beginning, not this, what you're doing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So, you know I'm not gonna disrespect them legends, right? Because you're trying to set me up to disrespect them. When you say style, you know, they took a lot of punishment.

[Joe]

I just gave you the style.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Punishment in the sport of boxing. I asked you to explain my style that you don't like, and you have not yet to do it.

[Joe]

Just. I want to see. I don't see enough action from you now. The most. The most action I saw when you fought Teofimo, that was after the.

[Ocho]

That was the.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You said that was boring. That's what you. Right after that fight is when you said that it was boring.

[Joe]

I said you. I said you was boring before that fight.

[Shakur Stevenson]

After that fight. To say it again right after that fight.

[Joe]

No, I.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's where all the stuff started at. You don't remember this?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Shakur Stevenson]

If you said it after the Teo fight and you just said that was

[Joe]

my best fight, I said this was the best fight he fought.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I said, as far as entertainment, that's how I know. You don't know what you talking about. Because when I was a payday, that was a more entertaining.

[Joe]

So I'm not allowed to have. I'm not allowed to have an opinion

[Shakur Stevenson]

about your fighting style, saying you're not allowed. I'm. I'm.

[Commercial Voice]

Yes, you are.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm trying to sit here and debate about the pain, the opinion of what you're saying. I'm not saying you're not allowed. You can say whatever you want. You're a fan. I'm saying. But I want to debate about it. I want to actually get into what is what and what you're talking about. You have not yet to really explain.

[Joe]

I just explained to you I wanted to see.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Did you watch my fight with Zepeda?

[Joe]

I haven't seen.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Did you watch my fight with Zepeda?

[Joe]

I did not watch that fight.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay, My point, you're not in tune. You don't do your homework enough to even sit here.

[Joe]

How many? Let me ask you a question. So you think I'm the only play, the only person that haven't seen every last one of your fights?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm not saying every last one of my fights, but my most recent fight is if you a fan of the sport.

[Joe]

Have you seen every last one of Kawhi's games? Have you seen every last one of Kawhi's games?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Man, listen here. That's two different things.

[Joe]

You see how ridiculous.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You can't talk about somebody playing a hundred times a year and somebody that fight two times a year. You can't, you can't compare the two.

[Joe]

All I'm saying can't compare that. I haven't seen everyone a Sugar Ray's fight.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm just saying I fought a very entertaining fight with Zepeda and you did not watch. And you sitting here trying to tell me that, that my style is boring and I disagree with you.

[Joe]

I'm saying the fights that I've seen

[Shakur Stevenson]

and if you're not paying attention, you're not doing your homework. And it brings me back to square one that you don't do enough homework on the sport of boxing to talk on the sport of boxing.

[Joe]

I ask you, I ask you a simple question. I say, have there. Are there any other fighters that's retired that said your style isn't entertaining? You hopped all around that question.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I said, I said there's 100 fighters that say entertaining. Why do you think a guy like Floyd Mayweather, call me Little Tbe, I could, I could show you him telling me this personally or, or, or Terence Crawford or Andre War, all these great fighters surrounding me, talk to me about my style. And you saying here, tell me I'm supposed to take your opinion serious.

[Joe]

You don't have to. It's my opinion.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I know you bad at homework. It brings me back to square one. You get.

[Joe]

But still, so Let me ask you a question.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You do your homework.

[Joe]

Let me ask you a question. I just want to ask you one question. There's no fighter that's good, that's won a world championship that's retired, that says your fights is entertaining.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't know. I can't tell you. I'm not. I. I don't. I don't know.

[Joe]

But. But you could. But you can tell.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't pay attention all the good

[Joe]

things that people are saying. You can tell me what Bud said, you can tell me what Floyd said, you can tell me Andre Ward said, but you can't tell me any negative. So it tells me that you surrender. And that's how we are. Yeah, we consume the news.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm surrounded. Finish it. Finish your sentence. You're about to catch. You about to say a cap sentence. I'm surrounded by what?

[Joe]

No, I'm not saying. I'm saying you consume the positive news. And so if somebody say something that you don't want to hear, you assume, well, I don't value your opinion because you're the. You're not a boxing official that you're

[Shakur Stevenson]

don't know about boxing. That's all I'm trying to.

[Joe]

You don't know ish about basketball, but you got an opinion.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't try to debate. If I'm sitting here with Kawhi Leonard, I wouldn't try to debate with Kawhi Leonard about basketball because I'm not that ignorant.

[Joe]

I can't have an opinion about.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What I'm trying to tell you is you're being ignorant. That's it.

[Joe]

I get all that. That's fine. That's fine.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You're being ignorant,

[Joe]

Shakur. Book. Ignorant is something that should never come out of your mouth because you don't have a degree.

[Ocho]

Okay?

[Joe]

I run circles around you in the class.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't give a. About a class. I've never called you ignorant. That has not finished high school or finished school, that is.

[Joe]

They didn't call me ignorant.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You did.

[Joe]

Be respectful.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Being ignorant when it comes to the sport of boxing,

[Joe]

I'm calling you ignorant. When it comes to talk about ignorant.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You are in boxing.

[Ocho]

You are in boxing about boxing.

[Joe]

You're ignorant about all.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't care. I'm not trying to be the smartest about all sports. You're trying to be smart about me.

[Joe]

You're not the smartest boxer.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm not the smartest boxer. I'm a way smarter boxer than your favorite fighter.

[Joe]

You don't know who my favorite Fighter is.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't have to know.

[Joe]

You don't mind. I tell you what.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Don't be mad at me because you can't.

[Commercial Voice]

All right?

[Joe]

This is what I do.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You gotta f. That's it. You gotta have. What in boxing?

[Joe]

Yeah, I got.

[Shakur Stevenson]

In boxing. Yes, you got it.

[Joe]

I have an opinion about my style and what I like to see.

[Shakur Stevenson]

And you can have your opinion.

[Joe]

I didn't. I didn't try to say. Would you this, you that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't have no problems with your opinion.

[Joe]

I think you just called me ignorant.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But you said you're ignorant in the sport of boxing. I done told you this a hundred times in boxing. You are.

[Joe]

It's my opinion and I. It's my opinion. It's of my opinion. You got upset because I don't fall influence.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You're not really hearing me.

[Joe]

Your style still boring.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You're being ignorant.

[Joe]

Because I'm listening.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You're thinking that I'm calling you ignorant as a person. And I'm not talking about you as a person of being ignorant.

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Ignorant.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm speaking as far as your boxing knowledge and what you're talking about in the sport of boxing. You're ignorant.

[Joe]

I listen. I'm not. I'm not a. I'm not a soccer aficionado. I know. I like Messi style.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's cool. But if you speak on Messi and you start talking to Messi and tells Messi, oh, this is. That this Messi will call you ignorant in his sport, too.

[Joe]

No, I. Ocho. Ocho and I get into debate all the time about Ronaldo and Messi. Ocho say, it's hard to say Messi ain't the goat. But I like Ronaldo's style. His style is more conducive to what I like.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's fine.

[Joe]

That's what Ocho said. I didn't say Ocho.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No. When you say the style is boring, you're giving a opinion on something that to me, I feel is very ignorant. Especially if you say, Tiafima was my most entertaining fight after I just fought Williams a pater be right before his Tia female fight. And if you didn't see it, that means you didn't do your homework. So you bring me back to square one at all times. You get an F. When we're talking

[Joe]

about the sport of box, I'll take the F. But. But I'm not allowed to have an opinion.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Everybody can do their homework, but if they get.

[Joe]

So why are you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So why are you so upset about your opinion?

[Joe]

You Are.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm debating with you. Don't get mad that I'm debating with you.

[Joe]

We can have a debate, but then you say my boxing. If I. But I'm not trying to say. I'm not trying to say you're the greatest lightweight or you don't have. Better than you. I just said your style.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes. And you get an F when you tell me that my fight with Tia Fema was the most entertaining fight compared to my fight with Williams and Peter. Because you didn't watch.

[Ocho]

Hey, can I. Can I say something?

[Joe]

Go ahead.

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Real, real quick, real quick. Can I say something? Both of you are going back and forth, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Both of you going back and forth about boxing, going about words, some of the things you're saying to each other. But both of you have opinions. Everything y' all talk about is based on opinion.

[Joe]

That's all I'm saying.

[Ocho]

What you're saying to him is based. Is his opinion based on how you feel he fights. And the way he thinks about your description on his fighting style being boring. Hit. The ignorant part is also an opinion on how he thinks about how you

[Joe]

fight, about how he fights.

[Ocho]

So we going back. We going to circle about.

[Joe]

That's all I said. That'd be like saying. That'd be like saying, joe, who your favorite rapper, man. Joe. You ignorant on rap. Because Joe's opinion. Oh, he like. He might like Tupac, he might like Hov, he might like Drake. He might like Kenya. Because I disagree with his opinion.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm saying if you talk to Jay Z at the time, and you're sitting there talking to. Exactly. You talking to the best fighter in the sport of boxing right now. You gotta hear yourself. That's who you talking to. Put some respect on my name when you talking. That's all I had.

[Joe]

I've given you respect, Shakur. All I've said. I have every. Every. Go back and look, I say he's in a. I said he can fight. He's great. I said you don't win belts in four different weight classes and not be tremendous. But I say that that style is an appealing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Respect. I'm just saying you don't have an educated opinion. That's it. You don't have an educated opinion.

[Ocho]

Okay, I like that. I like that. That's a better one. That's a better one. Hey, honestly, I think y' all should fight in real life. Honestly.

[Joe]

That's how y' all fight. I got grandkids.

[Ocho]

Well, hey, I got you. I got.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I Got your ass.

[Joe]

But if he fight. But if he fight.

[Ocho]

No, no, hey, hold on, hold on.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, you keep saying that. I swear to God, when the fight happened, I.

[Ocho]

You.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I bet it to you. Hey, I want to see you. I want you to sit in front row and watch it.

[Ocho]

That's what.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's all I ask. When the fight happens, I want you to sit front row.

[Joe]

All right? All right.

[Ocho]

How you just skip over?

[Joe]

He ain't gonna make no money after you up.

[Ocho]

Oh, no, we just. We just sparring. Hey, Tell. Hey, tell Bud come with you. So I give him.

[Joe]

Nah, nah, leave Bud alone.

[Ocho]

Nah, I' ma beat his ass, too.

[Joe]

Well, I don't know how to turn the switch off, man. Ocho, I don't care about no switch.

[Ocho]

I got a switch, too. Hey, Shakur, you tell. But matter of fact, tell Andre Ward I want all.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Man, you sound crazy. Huh?

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, Shakur, you know they call me.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, I didn't see you box before. I ain't seen.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I ain't seen more than two hands, brother.

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[Joe]

Yeah, you could sleep. First of all, leave Bud alone. Leave Andre Ward alone. Leave. Hey, would you get a fighter? Once you get a fighter that's retired, like three or four years.

[Ocho]

Listen to me. Listen to me real quick. I'm from Day County. You see all three of them fighters name you just named, right? Yes, I Them up, man. And I don't even curse like that. I don't even curse.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't even. You gotta chill, man. You being delusional right now.

[Joe]

Hey, nah, don't. Hey, don't. Hey, don't hit him. Don't hit him in his face and don't hit him. He gotta. Come on, Nightcap.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Just hit him to the body.

[Joe]

Hit him on the arm or something.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, I can survive.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yo, my cameraman will be your ass.

[Tab Ramos]

Damn.

[Shakur Stevenson]

My cameraman.

[Ocho]

What. Why would you. Why would you put him out there?

[Shakur Stevenson]

He over here, shadow box, and I see he getting ready.

[Ocho]

Hey, tell your. Tell your cameraman come in the camera right now. Right now.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Fact. Come on, Zach. Exactly.

[Ocho]

Exactly.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We want old trouble, man.

[Joe]

I'm trying to figure out. Hey, I need

[Ocho]

you.

[Commercial Voice]

I got my man.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, look, if this fight. If this. If this fight happened, I'm a bet. I'm a bet. You say you want to bet.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I want you front row. That's all I want. And I want your money.

[Ocho]

Hey, no, let him do the ring. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Tank. I mean, damn, Shakur, let him do the ring. Walk with you.

[Joe]

I can't do the ring walking.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hell, no. I want him to sit front row. I want. I want him to watch his money lose like, I want him to sit there and cry. That's what I wanted.

[Joe]

I ain't gonna cry about it because I'm. I'm. I'm only gonna bet what I can lose and not. And sleep good.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, hell no. I want you to bet some real, man. I want you to really be mad at yourself, man.

[Joe]

I'm only go bad.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I want you to be mad at yourself.

[Joe]

I still got. I still got kids.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I want your kids to be mad at you. That's what I want. I want your kids to be mad at you.

[Joe]

About what?

[Shakur Stevenson]

You're bad.

[Joe]

First of all, my kids can't be bad about money. They didn't make sure, right?

[Shakur Stevenson]

You right.

[Joe]

I like that.

[Ocho]

You hear me?

[Joe]

What you saying with Joe, I can

[Ocho]

tell you outside what this has been very entertaining. Hey, listen. Yeah, I'm listen. Y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

Y' all going at it.

[Joe]

Obviously, we're gonna be able to. I'm gonna see about the fight tomorrow, Saturday.

[Ocho]

Hey, this was really good tonight. Yeah, this is really good.

[Shakur Stevenson]

It's all love talking with you. It's all love, man.

[Joe]

Baby, it's all good. Hey, when I see. Hey, I'll see you at the fight.

[Ocho]

Oh, seven.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, I' ma call. Call my guy tomorrow. And up and I hit you. I hit you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Make sure you wear knee brace. Put a knee brace on.

[Joe]

I ain't got no, man, you know I got a bad niche.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I do my homework, man. That's all I tell y' all I need.

[Joe]

I need a knee replacement. Huh?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I do my homework, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, I got your back.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I got you. I got you. I'm gonna see you and take a picture with you, man. It's all good,

[Joe]

man. I appreciate that, man. Congratulations, man. Look here, make these fights happen, Shakur. Make your money. Hey, how old are you, 20, 26, 27, 29 now. Okay. Hey, go and get you about five more years. Get you about 200 meal.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, I got you. That's the plan right there.

[Ocho]

I need to. I need. I need 10 right there for sure.

[Joe]

Because the thing is, those old guys, they had to fight. I remember guys were fighting three, four, five times a year. You ain't got to do that now. You go get you. Get you two big paydays a year.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Free my family, man. That's the. That's the game plan right there.

[Joe]

That's it. Hey, you in Houston. Get you. Get your Nice piece of land. I don't know what type of land. Your nice piece of land.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I got you.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yes, yes. And now get you a job talking about boxing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm gonna make money off the sport of boxing for the rest of my life.

[Joe]

Oh, you want to be a promoter?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Be whatever it takes to get the most money. I'm into making money to keep that income coming in. A lot of knowledge. So I'm use it to my advantage.

[Joe]

Ain't no wrong. Hey, ain't nothing wrong with that. If you. Hey, whatever the case may be, whether you want to promote, whether you want to train, Whatever the case may be, bro. Hey, knowledge. Knowledge is very valuable, but it's. But it's only good if you share it with somebody.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, for sure. With the right people.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes, man. I appreciate that. Hey, that's your Cor Stevenson. He's a won a belt in his fourth weight class. Pound for pound, one of the two or three best boxers. And he says he's not two or three. He's the best pound for pound boxer in boxing currently going today. That is Shakur Stevenson. He signed with Zuffa Boxing on a multi fight deal that is the company run between with Dana White, Turkey Ali and Nick Khan. So he said he's gonna fight at some point in time this year. We ain't got. Let's see, we got August, September, October, November, December. We got about five months left.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. I appreciate y' all though. Thank y' all for the opportunity.

[Joe]

No, we appreciate you, bro.

[Ocho]

Congratulations.

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[Joe]

See you down the road. Hey, he's like, he says dream fight. Devin Haney, Tank Davis. We didn't mention Ryan Garcia.

[Ocho]

Oo, yeah, no, no. Lamont Rose. Gary.

[Joe]

Russ, Gary Russell Jr. Of all those fights that he mentioned, who would you like to see him fight? First we go to you first, Ocho, and then we're gonna go to you, Joe.

[Tab Ramos]

All right.

[Ocho]

I mean for me, I like the chess match with him and Lamont Roach and you see how much, how many problems, the problems that Lamont Roach gave Tank Davis when they did fight, huh?

[Joe]

That he gave devont Haney, right? No, no, no, Tank. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He beat.

[Ocho]

He gave Tank.

[Joe]

Being honest.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, because of his style of fighting. And obviously that fighting style between, between Lamont Roach and Shakur Stevenson, to me, would be the best chess match for those that actually enjoy, you know, the, the, the, the sport of boxing in general and the sweet sciences.

[Joe]

So that would be your number one. That would be your number one fight, Shakur versus Lamar Roach.

[Ocho]

Yeah. For me. Okay. Yeah.

[Joe]

Joe, who you like to see him fight?

[Tab Ramos]

People, for me, I want to see him fight Haney, bro. I want to see him fight Haney, Uncle Ocho. I think both of those guys fight with class. I think it'll be a hell of a. Hell of a bout. And, and that's who I want to see him fight. Hell, I, I, I might even have to pull up on that one, man.

[Joe]

Look, I, I. Part of me agree with Ocho is that that Roach, his style, and they're very similar, but Tank, with that power. And I think the thing is, with, and see, sometimes, like, I don't, I don't know how, but Tank and Roach knew each other, so they kind of sparred against each other, and so they knew each other's style. Ocho.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, they all have, though. That's the thing. All of them, Shakur and Devin Haney, you, they got sparring for us. You know, they going at it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So all of them, they're familiar with each other, but all of them are exponentially better from those times when they

[Joe]

scored way back in fighters.

[Ocho]

Now they're much better.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

I think with Roach and Tank, by them being from the D.C. area. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that does play a major part when you fight somebody and you've been boxing against them for quite some time and, you know, everything about them, it plays a major role, bro.

[Joe]

Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

[Ocho]

So, I mean, some, some people, you know, some people say they like Ryan Garcia.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You know,

[Ocho]

he makes too many mistakes.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Looking to land that big left, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He make too many mistakes.

[Joe]

No, you. It's hard if you make, if you make mistakes like that. Like what? That's why. That's why Tank did what he did.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then. Hold on. Who just beat Garcia?

[Ocho]

That was Rolly.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

And Rollie fighting Tio next.

[Joe]

Oh, is he.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Rolling to fight.

[Joe]

I thought, I thought Rolly was supposed to fight Devin. Remember, we had him On. He.

[Shakur Stevenson]

They.

[Joe]

They said that they were lining that up.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's what. That's what I just talked about with Shakur. They always talk about they gonna do something, and it never happens, but. Rolling. Rolling.

[Joe]

I hope.

[Ocho]

I think. I think September, Chad. Is it September? I think it's September, if I'm not mistaken.

[Joe]

We still. Look. I still gotta. I just hope. I hope this is different, because we get this all the time, Joe. Oh, they gonna fight, and they gonna do this, and we gonna do that, and, Ocho, we still don't get what we want.

[Ocho]

No.

[Tab Ramos]

Hey, they gonna blame it on the money. Ain't right somebody. The weight ain't right. It's something.

[Joe]

Somebody gonna be like, well, I want to be the A side, and everybody. Everybody want to be the A, and nobody want to be the B. And I want to be the last one to come out, and I want my name first on the. On the marquee. You already know how it's gonna be.

[Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. There's always something. There's always something. They don't want no rehydration clauses.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

All type of stuff.

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[Ocho]

The fight is August 22nd.

[Joe]

And plus, see, I like to see. Look. And there's nothing wrong with catch weights, but I. I agree with Shakur. Says, look, I don't want to take him down to 140 and drain him, because then he'll have an excuse, and then, you know what's going on. We do a catch. We do 144. Okay, fine.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, I would like for it to be a belt on the line or so. You know what I'm saying, don't y'?

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[Joe]

I like. I like when championships, you come in the ring. Like when Canelo came in the ring with all those belts, and then Bud left out the ring with all the belts. With all the belts. Yeah, that would. That would. I'd be like, I want to see belts change hand.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

What you thinking, Joe?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah, I'm. I'm with you on that. They don't really fight for belts now, huh? These dudes just fighting for the purse.

[Joe]

The. The biggest person. Hey, hey, What?

[Tab Ramos]

The bag gonna look like hell. That's.

[Joe]

That's because I think the thing is, is that you gotta pay, like, a sanctioning fee to get the bill, so I'm paying 300. Man, I don't care nothing about them belts.

[Ocho]

Forget the belt, Joe. They trying to get that bag because

[Joe]

it used to be the belts with a thing, and I still see Pictures where I, I just saw a thing with Floyd, had all the belts that he had won. He had like 20 something belts laid out on the table. And you, you know, you, they, you see De La Hoya's home and you see Sugar Ray home, and they got all the belts on the wall and stuff. I'm like, okay, that's pretty cool. But these guys now, like you said, Joe and Ocho, they're like, man, damn them belts. Give me the money.

[Tab Ramos]

Hey, hey, hey. Then Bud return them belts, though.

[Joe]

He did, he did. He returned them and then. And they sent him some new belts.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah. Bud say, damn that, man get my own. Damn.

[Joe]

Hey, Bud say what? I check. I bet he returned that check, though. But hey, man, but hey, you see Bud in Timmy Bradley Smart?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah, I did, I did.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that was funny.

[Joe]

That was funny, man. But, man, look here, when Bud get in the ring, he different, man.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, he did me and him joking and laughing, having a good time, Ocho. But the minute we got in the ring, I'm like, hey, hey.

[Ocho]

Complete what? And every last one. And wired like that. I don't know why.

[Joe]

Hold on, bud.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Joe, when I had it, when I had to do my, my little fight right in 20, 21 at the hard Rock, well, I fought my homie, good friend of mine, man, Brian Maxwell. You know you fight bare knuckle, you know, you fight for a living. And I had to, I had to go in the Charlo twins camp in Houston. So all I had was two weeks to get ready. So I did two a days. In the mornings I went with. With Big Charlo, and in the evenings I went with little Charlo. Joe. It was the only way I can get to work. Even though they were preparing for their fights, I had no choice but to get in there with them and do four rounds. Joe, I always, I always started off, they went through about maybe three or four sparring partners, right? Joe, I was first every time.

[Tab Ramos]

Joe,

[Joe]

you need to be laughing.

[Ocho]

Hey, not, hey, it wouldn't matter.

[Joe]

No, it wouldn't.

[Ocho]

It wouldn't matter because, hey, the same. Joe, listen, I know I play around all the time, Joe. You get in the ring with them fools and they training for a real fight. And it's like I'm not surviving, but I'm doing what I can to make sure they get the work that they deserve because they're preparing for a real fight. Joe, all Bush had but a me up, boy. Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, Joe, that would be different.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, I'm. I'm going for real, Joe. I'm not all wild, Joe. I look like I know what I'm doing, Joe, they were me up.

[Joe]

Oh, Joe. Joe. What we just talked about last night. Seeing a pro in his craft up close and personal, and it's.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, we talk about champions. Now. I ain't in there with just, you know, regular people. I'm at. I'm in there with the best of the best. Joe, man, what.

[Joe]

Think about you and your prime. Ocho and somebody going out there. They don't play dv. They might have played DB before.

[Ocho]

Hey, trying to cover.

[Joe]

Trying to cover, Joe. You got somebody, they played high school ball or maybe college, but they ain't played. They. They don't play no more. And they're like, oh, I'm gonna do you up, Joe.

[Tab Ramos]

Big deal.

[Joe]

Like, no, no, you're not, because I'm not gonna let you go back. Because even if. Even if you stop me one time, you're gonna go back to work. Said, man, I did a number on Joe.

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[Joe]

I knocked the ball down from Ocho.

[Tab Ramos]

Hey, I told y'. All, that's why. That's. That's why in the summer months, I go so hard. Because if a team beat us, it don't matter. We playing pickup, Big three. I'm back home playing in the dumb league.

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[Tab Ramos]

Whoop Joe now, man. Come up.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You already know what it is.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah. Yeah. So I can.

[Ocho]

Man.

[Joe]

Hey, you ought to say whoever. Whoever you win against Ocho. And if they ever got an interception to you at juco, or they got an interception in Oregon State. Oh, yeah, you know they telling my name.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hold on. The pro bottle from the Bengals.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He's gonna pick on him. Yeah, man.

[Ocho]

And you know what?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I.

[Ocho]

And most of the fighters realize what I'm doing. Obviously, they take it serious. They don't go all out. They go about 60.

[Tab Ramos]

Right.

[Ocho]

Because they still have to get their work. I was in Boots camp, I think three years ago, I was in Boots camp. I did a whole camp with Boots. And I. Again, Joe. I go first. Could barely touch him. Charlo. Hey, Caleb Plant, you know Caleb?

[Joe]

Yeah, he told me to tell you. What if I saw him again. Don't you? In the airport. He told me to tell you what's up. Yeah. He live out here?

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Oh, yeah, I got it. I gotta come see Caleb. Hey, Joe. Everybody. Everybody get four rounds, and I do three minutes. And it's so hard to touch these dudes. Joe thought it's so hard. I'm talking about just to get a clean hit man. But hey, that fun, though. And the point is, I always get in there just so I can have something to brag about if I would. One of them. And I ain't. I ain't succeeded yet in 10 years.

[Tab Ramos]

Well, hey, imagine. Imagine what you can't do to them. Well, I'm really gonna whoop your little ass. You talking about them? Well, the what? The way you gonna be praising me. I whoop your little ass.

[Commercial Voice]

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[Ocho]

Really?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So now you know you can't let it win.

[Tab Ramos]

Oh, hell no.

[Ocho]

But hey, this is. This is. This is why it's. It's gonna be so different when it comes to fighting or just being. Just say, playing around with someone that is not them. Because any regular people is gonna be moving in slow motion based on what

[Tab Ramos]

I mean, because this ain't regular over here. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It ain't right.

[Ocho]

So what was you.

[Tab Ramos]

Hey, hey, hey. Hell, you. You. She could have crashed out tonight on. On Nightcap. Yeah. I'm on your ass, boy.

[Ocho]

Okay. And you feeling good Hunter, though. Okay.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. You know, I do all this talking, Joe. You know I really got hands. For real.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah, you do a lot of talking. You can talk better than any damn.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. My. My hands do the talking along. I tell you what. Well, I'm. Cut your nose off because I don't like the way you smell.

[Joe]

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[Joe]

Affiliation with Philly or Golden State if he does, his hometown team, the Cavaliers, will probably be going being the favorite to win the East. They've got a good team, they're just lacking leadership. LeBron's a great leader. To me, he. It would be a fitting way for him to finish his career. Stop getting greedy, too. So let me ask you a question. If he goes to the Cavaliers, what are they going to say? Joe, he ring chasing anywhere he go. Anywhere he goes?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah. It don't matter where he goes. They gonna say that Charles, I mean,

[Ocho]

and only, Only because it started.

[Shakur Stevenson]

It started.

[Ocho]

He's done it multiple times. So that's going to always be the discourse. It's always going to be the dialogue. And the one thing of the asterisk they can put behind him in his career is he's ring chasing.

[Joe]

But here's the thing, they could say that about Charles. He went to Houston. What was he trying to do in Houston, Joe?

[Tab Ramos]

Win a ring?

[Joe]

He linked up. He linked up with Scottie Pippen and Akeem Elijah won. What are you trying to do? Yeah, he was trying to win a ring winning ring. In all seriousness. Yes. Yeah, he was. Now, he could say we was over the hill, but you didn't think that,

[Tab Ramos]

right?

[Joe]

There is not a play. If LeBron goes to Miami, what are they gonna say? He ring chase. If he goes to Golden State, he's ring chasing. He goes to Philly, he's ring chasing. If he were to go to Detroit, the Nuggets, he's wing chaser. He goes to the Cavaliers, the team that he's going to. Because he wants to win your last. If this is his last year, Joe, you ain't trying to win no damn 20, 30 games.

[Tab Ramos]

Hell no.

[Joe]

Yo, last year.

[Ocho]

Can I tell you something?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, can I tell you something? You know why most of the time, for those that debate the whole Jordan, Jordan, LeBron or who the goat is, do you understand the kind of cachet and power you have to have and being undeniably good for wherever you go, it's the winner ring. Because they wouldn't say about anybody else bouncing from team to team. So obviously, wherever he's going, he is that valuable and is that much of an asset that him going to whatever team it is, it gives that chance a chance. It gives that team a chance to win a ring. That's how good he is.

[Tab Ramos]

I agree. Ojo. I think anywhere he go, they always gonna have something to say, bro, this is part of being great, you know, you don't care.

[Ocho]

He don't care. At this point, Johan, I. I don't know.

[Tab Ramos]

I don't know if he cares, but I don't agree that, that he's chasing Michael Jordan. I don't think I, I Mean, does he want to win another ring? I think so. But to sit here and say that he's thinking about, oh, let me catch the black cat and Jordan, you can't catch him. He's 6 0.

[Joe]

He's.

[Tab Ramos]

He's has an unblemished record when it comes to finals. You know what I mean? You can just continue to make your legacy legendary by continuing to add to it.

[Joe]

I could. All I can do is add layers to my cake. I can't. I can't take no layers away from Jordans. I can't take no layers away from Kobe's. I can't take no layers away from anybody. All I can do is layer up my cake.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

And if you think about it, the really, the only person that they compare LeBron to is Jordan. He's the only one. Now, we've tried to. They. You can try to put other guys, and I'm. I'm cool with it. If you say Kareem, big guys normally don't get the credit. Mr. Russell, Will Chamberlain, Kareem, they never gonna get the credit because they say, well, you had to have a guard to get you the ball. But if you really go back and think about it, the only guy that's ever been mentioned consistently. Consistently with Mike is LeBron.

[Tab Ramos]

And you know why.

[Joe]

And it's. It's a debate. We know it, but. And it's a matter of opinion. I don't. I don't get back. It's your opinion. I'm like, hey, Joe, who your favorite rapper, man? Joe say, man, you know what? All things being equal, I like J. Cole. And, man, you know, I might say over M. Over Park.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Over Rock him. Over Big Daddy Kane.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But that Joe's opinion. Ocho, who your favorite soccer player? Oh, yo said it. You know, man, it's hard to go against Messi. After all, all the balls he's on. 1. He don't want a World Cup. He done done this and that. He said, but it's just something about Ronaldo's style that I can relate to more than the Messi style. That's his opinion on why he's choosing Ronaldo. I can't get mad at him. That's his opinion, man. Ocho, what's your favorite food, man? Man, just give me some. Some of this or some of that. Ocho. All the things you could eat. That's what you want. Okay, that's his opinion. But I don't got Joe. Joe told me that porterhouse. I said, Joe, that thing. What. What they be ordering Joe their last meal. What they be getting?

[Tab Ramos]

Ribeye.

[Joe]

They get the ribeyes. That thing. Flavorful. I don't even know if I'm able to try that out.

[Tab Ramos]

I don't know if I'll be able to eat here. You tell me my last meal for you. Inject me. I don't know if I'll be able to eat. I'm gonna keep it real.

[Joe]

Hey, some people. Hey, one guy, the only thing, he wanted one olive. All he wanted was an olive. And he took the seed out. What that means he took the seed out, put it in his pocket. So some people get. Some people get real. I mean, sometimes it's like we're not getting you all that because some people want lobster tails. If you want ribs. They people Mac and cheese, mashed potatoes, French fries, milkshakes, you know, because they say a lot of times it's so nostalgic for them because of what they. You know, what they remember is the last thing that they remember about being outside. Because most of the time, you on death row. You ain't been out in 20, 30 years. It's the last thing that they remember. Maybe it was something that they were eating when they grew up, a Sunday meal or they went somewhere with a family. With a family, and that's what they had. So it's nostalgic for them knowing this is the last time I'm gonna ever eat, man.

[Tab Ramos]

Here, man. Damn.

[Joe]

I don't even know if I'm hungry.

[Tab Ramos]

Hey, go. Go. Cut my lights out here. Hey. Damn. Don't cut my lights out. Let me go. Let go. Hey, hey. Let me on about it. Damn.

[Ocho]

Hey, get it over with, huh, Joe?

[Joe]

Hey, you remember, like, how they. How they were in life?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, he's a man. I don't even want no jello. After what y' all gonna do to me. All he wanted.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

But if they stop being. But I think the thing is, shouldn't we be greedy? The last. The last. The last time is. I mean, I don't know if this last season, let's just say, but hypothetically, it's his last season. So what am I supposed to do? You want me to go to the Kings? Where you want me to go? Where you want me to go and make. Because it seems like everybody wants LeBron to do what they want to do to make them happy. At the end of the day, he has to make himself happy because he's gonna have to be there for the next, what, from September all the way, hopefully, to. To late May, April, May. Hopefully into June.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah. Hey, Hey. I want to see a show. I want to see him go somewhere where they can put on a damn show, but we can be tuned in at night. Yeah, that's what I want to see. I want to see him go out.

[Joe]

I think we are, Joe. I don't. I think wherever he goes, we're gonna be tuned in. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, I can say. Yeah. You know what the best show is at, too?

[Joe]

Well, in Vegas.

[Tab Ramos]

In Vegas. Vegas got the best shows.

[Ocho]

Nah, Vegas ain't got no team.

[Tab Ramos]

Oh, okay, okay. I see where you're going.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

So. I don't know. I think it's gonna be the same thing. No matter where he goes, everybody gonna say he's ring chasing. Because all the teams have traded. They have really good teams. Yeah, I mean, they really do. I mean, you look at Bam, I mean, they got.

[Tab Ramos]

They.

[Joe]

They've added Giannis to Miami, and they pairing with Bam. And they signed Tim Hardaway Jr. To have Davion Mitchell. They're looking. And they got Andrew Wiggins, so they're looking to probably fill out the roster with a few more pieces. We know what Philly got. They traded for Jalen Brown. They got Edgecombe, they got Maxi, they got Joel Embiid. Cleveland, we know Hard and protect. They signed Harden back. They just gave Donovan Mitchell a big deal. Excuse me. The two twin towers with Jared Allen and Evan Mobley.

[Tab Ramos]

Okay.

[Joe]

Golden State, we know. Steph, I read today say the Nuggets be out of the running. So, I mean. But all these teams aren't. All these teams. Don't. These teams. Even if they don't have LeBron, don't you think these teams, Joe and Ocho, think they got a chance to win the championship?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah. All the teams we talking about, they think they have.

[Joe]

And I think it gets heightened if LeBron comes.

[Tab Ramos]

Absolutely.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It puts. It puts them over the top. Definitely. Absolutely. Even at 42. Yeah, absolutely.

[Joe]

But that just goes to show you just how great he is. That the expectations you have on a guy that's 42, he's not 22, he's not 32. He stayed in his prime longer than anybody in. In basketball history. But there's still a level of expectation that comes along with him because he is LeBron James, and that's part of it.

[Tab Ramos]

As long as. As long as he's playing, these are going to be his expectations.

[Joe]

Yeah, for sure. He could be 45. They're gonna still expect the same thing. But I will say this, and people say he got thin skinned. Nah. For him to have it, had to endure this for 23 years, it really never lash out at anybody. He's never really taken those shots. I mean, I mean, people might say, well, he did confront Stephen A. At the game. I don't even. I don't remember who they was playing. He confronted Stephen at the game. But most guys, they take the Twitter, excuse me, X and say what they say, or they jump on somebody's platform, but for the most part, he hasn't. He hasn't. And I think that's a. That's a feat in and of itself.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah, yeah. After. After the Heat lost to the Mavericks that first time, he may have said some little things, you know, in the media.

[Joe]

Yeah, he said, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.

[Tab Ramos]

Outside of that. But outside of that, you know, he's been. He's been great.

[Joe]

So we'll.

[Tab Ramos]

We'll.

[Joe]

We'll see how it goes. Jalen Brunson, game worn Jersey from game one of the NBA Finals sold for $1 million at auction. Can you imagine what his game four jersey. So, Joe, you don't get to keep those jerseys.

[Tab Ramos]

Nah, they. They'll have you take them, take them off at halftime, switch jerseys. You know, they. So because they want multiple jerseys, they can be able to sell Uncle Ocho.

[Joe]

Wow. I know that.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah, like all star games. Yeah, like all star games. Okay. Boom. At halftime, you give us this jersey, we give you a whole nother jersey. And then those are the jerseys that y' all see auctioned off and doing things like that.

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[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Tab Ramos]

Okay.

[Joe]

I know that.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah. Yeah. Amen.

[Joe]

Cause I'm assuming Tom Brady got all seven of his super bowl jerseys. Ocho, wouldn't you assume that?

[Ocho]

Yeah, Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I would assume that, but I doubt it.

[Tab Ramos]

He probably got a half of one here.

[Joe]

It might be a situation where fanatics have him now because, you know, he's.

[Ocho]

Yeah, probably. Yeah, they probably do.

[Joe]

Yeah, I know.

[Ocho]

I know them thing where the grip too on.

[Joe]

Oh, for sure. And he's got that. That sports memorabilia hall of fame. He has that at the.

[Ocho]

In mg, wherever the Celtics play out

[Joe]

the blue fountain blue. Is that the fountain blue? Hey, because I was at. I was at the grand opening. I went to the grand opening of it.

[Ocho]

Oh, out there in Vegas.

[Tab Ramos]

Yes.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Tom Brady hitting him across the head, ain't it?

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

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