Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Matthew Stafford Signs Extension + Joe Burrow & Bengals Improves Roster

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Matthew Stafford Signs Extension + Joe Burrow & Bengals Improves Roster
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (with Debo & Joe)
Date: May 22, 2026

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

In this lively, unfiltered episode, Debo and Joe dive into the latest NFL news and broader sports world, putting a special focus on Matthew Stafford’s new contract, Joe Burrow’s optimism about the Bengals’ roster, and the evolving importance of sports nutrition. The conversation mixes genuine football insight, locker room storytelling, and signature playful banter, covering roster changes, contract drama, health routines, and some passionate NBA discussion to close it out.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. Joe Burrow Praises the Bengals’ Roster

Segment: [03:36–08:29]

• The hosts respond to headlines about Joe Burrow saying this is the most talented Bengals roster since he’s been there.
• Joe jokes about falling for clickbait, thinking Burrow promised 48 touchdowns.
  • “I let the clickbait get me. I was about to go off.” – Joe [03:38]
• After listening to the actual interview clip, the hosts appreciate Burrow’s measured optimism.
  • “I think this is the most talented roster that we've had since I've been here.” – Joe Burrow (clip) [04:42]
• Discussion about what “doable” really means for a monster touchdown season.
  • “Words mean things. Okay? Doable, meaning it's something that can be done. It's not gonna be easy. … It’s doable if you can keep me upright and clean.” – Joe [05:02]
• They highlight the need for a strong offensive line and Burrow’s confidence in Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins.
  • “If I'm Joe Burrow and...I still got my two dogs out there, I believe in me.” – Debo [06:55]
• Debo admires Burrow’s quiet confidence:
  • “Doable ain’t, ‘Hey, I’m about to throw 50.’ Doable is, ‘I’m out here, I’m healthy...’ That’s just gangster. I want my quarterback to be talking like that.” – Debo [07:50]

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2. AFC North Rivalries & Burrow’s Future

Segment: [08:29–09:39, 36:05–39:14]

• The hosts tease about the brutal AFC North—Steelers, Browns, and so forth. They joke about defending Burrow from the physical Steelers defense.
  • “You better do it in the other 15 games.” – Joe [06:44]
• Later, they segue to whether Burrow should remain with the Bengals long-term, drawing parallels with Stafford leaving Detroit:
  • “Joe Burrow, get out of Cincinnati. You don’t want to die there. You don’t want your career to die there.” – Joe [36:14]
• Debo and Joe muse on the fleeting nature of NFL windows, referencing LeBron James and Baker Mayfield as athletes forced to move for better support.
  • “Sometimes you gotta switch partners if you want to get that trophy. Hell, look, LeBron did it.” – Joe [37:42]
  • “This year is the make or break, brother.” – Debo [36:46]
  • They warn that being a great player isn’t always enough if the organization doesn’t build the right roster.

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3. Matthew Stafford's Extension with the Rams

Segment: [32:30–35:44]

• The crew breaks news on Stafford’s 1-year, $55M extension, bringing his remaining deal to 2 years and up to $105M.
  • “Contract extension is for one year. 55 million. The deal is worth up to 60 million with incentives. Stafford now has two years and up to a hundred...105 million.” – Joe [32:30]
• Consensus is that Stafford deserves every penny and is still elite:
  • “That man, Matthew Stafford, though, bro, deserves every dollar. He’s throwing the ball. Amazing. Still. I think he’s going to the Hall.” – Debo [33:45]
• Analysis of Stafford’s value compared to the market for top quarterbacks.
  • Hosts praise the Rams for ensuring continuity and developing new QB Ty Simpson alongside Stafford.

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4. NFL Nutrition: Seed Oils, Keto, and High-Performance Diets

Segment: [09:39–26:15]

• They discuss Robert Salah’s (Titans HC) removal of seed oils and broader nutrition upgrades for his team.
  • “One of the first things I think we did here is get rid of all the seed oils in the building…” – Robert Salah (clip) [10:11]
• Joe breaks down principles of high-fat, low-carb (keto) diets, and why they matter for athletes and regular folks:
  • “I use fat, real fat. I use butter, I use lard, beef tallow. I would take the bacon grease…Any kind of animal fat is cool. Olive oil…and some coconut oil.” – Joe [11:07]
• Explains that combining fats and carbs can be problematic for weight and performance.
  • “If you don’t burn off those carbs, they turn into fat. So now you’re stacking fat on top of the fat that you already ate.” – Joe [12:02]
• Joe’s rules for fat sources and protein:
  • “If it flies, swims or runs, I eat as much of it as I want.” – Joe [18:23]
  • “How do you find a diet cow? You don’t find a 2% cow.” – Joe Burrow [19:01]
  • “Like the easiest way to get in shape is to never get out of shape.” – Joe [20:19]
• Practical advice on building healthy routines, the importance of individualized nutrition and recovery, and why most NFL teams don’t maximize their players’ longevity through better diet and technology.
  • “The quicker that teams are really starting to understand…if the organization comes in with nutritionists, the real dry needling people…that’s going to take more time and money, but…you’ll get a better version of your player.” – Debo [25:05]

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5. Training, Recovery, and Advice for Everyday Athletes

Segment: [20:19–26:44]

• The crew emphasizes building up training slowly, prioritizing bodyweight movements and consistency.
  • “Don’t just go from zero to a hundred.” – Debo [21:28]
  • “Incline walk, Joe. The incline walk that I do every day, dude, that will burn off.” – Joe [22:30]
• Training staff and individualized programs can prevent soft tissue injuries:
  • “Like the training staff…if you get that and you actually individualize each person’s workout…you get a player where he’s less than that.” – Joe [26:15]
• Debo recounts how with the Steelers, they’d predict hamstring injuries through testing and then address the weakness.
  • “I remember that…They were like, oh no, your hamstrings…need to start working on them.” – Debo [31:03]

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6. Cavs Playoff Woes & NBA Banter

Segment: [39:14–54:44]

• Debo and Joe close out with heavy teasing over the Cleveland Cavaliers’ playoff struggles, upcoming games, and the emotional toll on Cavs fans.
  • “If they lose game three, are you going to game four? Yeah, for real.” – Joe [49:22]
  • “I can’t want it more than you want it for yourself because I done did it.” – Debo [51:26]
• Talk turns to NBA personalities—James Harden’s defensive woes, scouting Victor Wembanyama in OKC, and how teams scheme against superstars.
  • “I know you’re not a great defensive player, but coach, don’t put James Harden out there on Jalen Brunson anymore.” – Debo [52:02]
  • Debo shares his impressions of seeing Wemby in person:
    “His shoes about this tall…He looks…standing over everybody, but his feet running around was the craziest part.” – Debo [53:05]

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|-------|---------| | 04:42 | “I think this is the most talented roster that we've had since I've been here.” | Joe Burrow (clip) | | 05:02 | “Words mean things. Okay? Doable, meaning it's something that can be done. It's not gonna be easy..." | Joe | | 06:55 | “If I'm Joe Burrow…if I still got my two dogs out there, I believe in me. I believe in them…” | Debo | | 32:30 | “Contract extension is for one year. 55 million. The deal is worth up to 60 million with incentives. Stafford now has two years and up to a hundred...105 million.” | Joe | | 33:45 | “That man, Matthew Stafford, though, bro, deserves every dollar. He’s throwing the ball. Amazing. Still. I think he’s going to the Hall.” | Debo | | 36:14 | “Joe Burrow, get out of Cincinnati. You don’t want to die there. You don’t want your career to die there. No, sir. I don’t want it for you.” | Joe | | 11:07 | “I use fat, real fat. I use butter, I use lard, beef tallow. …Any kind of animal fat is cool. Olive oil…and some coconut oil.” | Joe | | 25:05 | “The quicker teams are really starting to understand…if the organization comes in there and it already has nutritionists, the real dry needling people…you’ll get a better version of your player.” | Debo | | 20:19 | “Like the easiest way to get in shape is to never get out of shape.” | Joe | | 49:02 | “Cause it’s past their bedtime. They gotta go to sleep. Waking up. Dad, did the Cavs…” | Debo |

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

| Time | Topic | |-----------|-------| | 03:36–08:29 | Bengals roster, Burrow’s optimism, AFC North rivalry talk | | 09:39–13:06 | Titans nutrition overhaul, seed oils, and keto discussion | | 20:19–26:44 | Building healthy routines, recovery, avoiding injuries | | 32:30–35:44 | Matthew Stafford extension analysis | | 36:05–39:14 | Should Joe Burrow leave Cincinnati? Parallels to Stafford, LeBron | | 39:14–54:44 | NBA playoff banter, Cavs/NBA emotional rollercoaster |

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OVERALL TONE & STYLE

The episode maintains the signature Nightcap style: candid, irreverent, deeply knowledgeable, and packed with locker-room humor. Joe and Debo blend cultural references, player insight, and camaraderie—creating an atmosphere where even complex topics like nutrition and contract negotiation stay vivid and approachable for die-hard and casual fans alike.

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SUMMARY FOR NEW LISTENERS

This episode is a must-listen for NFL/NBA fans craving raw, inside perspectives on the business, health, and drama of top-level sports. You’ll get hot takes on Burrow and the Bengals’ window, hear why nutrition is the game’s next big edge, and come away with real talk on what separates good organizations from great ones. The NBA playoff tangents bring it all home with heart and humor, reminding us that the emotional rollercoaster of fandom is all part of the journey.

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[Joe Burrow]

Let's go on over here to Cincinnati.

[Joe]

Man Gerald Burrow raves about Bengals most talented roster in his career. Now, look, before we play this town, don't play it yet. I let clickbait get me. I let the clickbait get me. And I ain't gonna lie to you. I was tripping. I was about to go off. I was about to go off.

[Debo]

Okay, Joe.

[Joe]

I thought when I saw it, you know, I got a little dyslexia, too. So when I saw it, I thought he said he was gonna throw 48 touchdowns and. And break the record and, you know, like, it was a statement or something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know me, I was about to pull my olive branch back, you

[Debo]

know, on bringing, on, letting them come over. Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, I've been holding that thing

[Joe Burrow]

out to him like this, man, come

[Joe]

on over here, you know? Yeah.

[Debo]

No, you for show.

[Joe]

But.

[Joe Burrow]

But this is what he said. This is what he said.

[Joe]

Listen to what he said, okay?

[Interviewer]

I mean, you saw what this roster looked like in 2021, albeit you were young, but that was a Super bowl roster. Do you think what you see right now from this organization and in that locker room is a Super bowl roster?

[Joe]

I think this is the most talented roster that we've had since I've been here.

[Interviewer]

47 away, 48 from breaking.

[Robert Salah]

Doable.

[M]

Thanks, Joe.

[Joe]

See, Joe, that's a.

[Debo]

That's cool, Joe.

[Joe]

That's a lot.

[Joe Burrow]

That's a lot easier to deal with.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, doable. Yeah, I can. I can. I can. I can respect that word. I can respect. Doable. You know what I'm saying again, Joe, Words. Words mean things. Okay? Doable, meaning it's something that can be Done. It's not gonna be easy. It's not a given. It's something that could be done. But the reason he's saying it's doable, Joe is because he's sitting back still and he's saying, I like what they done did over here to get these pieces here and there. But what y' all done got me to keep me upright, which I done did to make sure I could stay safe in the pocket. It's doable if you can keep me upright and clean. That's what he's saying. But I will say this, it's doable. But I don't know how many of them you think you go get against them Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Debo]

Cause.

[Joe]

Cause nephew ain't having it.

[Joe Burrow]

Lil Peasy ain't having that. Okay?

[Debo]

Ain't going for that fact.

[Joe Burrow]

I'm gonna start calling. I'm gonna start calling. I'm gonna start calling. Lil Peasy, Lil Big Peasy. Cause he bigger than you now, Peasy.

[Joe]

Your son bigger than you now.

[Debo]

He taller.

[Joe]

He taller.

[Debo]

He taller for sure. Hey, hey.

[Joe]

He might be bigger too.

[Debo]

Now.

[Joe Burrow]

I'm trying to tell PZ doesn't slim down. PZ done slim down.

[Joe]

He done. He done lost some height, Peezy.

[Joe Burrow]

About an inch taller than me, you

[Joe]

know what I'm saying? He might be six one, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Burrow]

You know, he getting up there.

[Joe]

I think, you know, he about 50 something, you know. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Burrow]

About 10 years older than me. He got to be about 52, 53, something like that. 41.

[Joe]

42, yeah. So listen, Joe Burrow, I'mma tell you it's doable, but you better do it in the mother 15 games.

[Debo]

You know why Joe Burrow said that, though they bring a talent, that he still got his boy, he still got Jamar Chase, he still got T. Higgins. When they bring in more talent, he's talking about probably on the defensive side of the ball with some talented players. And if I'm Joe Burrow and you asking me, do you think it's. If I'm out there healthy and I still got my two dogs out there, I believe in me. I believe in them. I believe in Jamar Chase, I believe in T. Higgins. Now, like you said, can I be upright? It's doable if this line gonna be able to protect fool me. But if I'm out there healthy and I got Higgins, I got Jamar Chase, and. And I'm standing on my 10 toes, I can. It's doable. I can throw 50 touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? I did like this Joe Burrow, honestly, just popping his. Like, if I see the roster, I got these dudes with me, okay? The talent on the defense, they cool. I can throw 50. It's doable, you know what I'm saying? Right? You know what I'm saying? It's doable. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm loving his Just like.

[Joe]

Doable ain't.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, we get. I'm about to throw 50. Just wait.

[Debo]

I'm about to throw 50. But just doable is I'm out here, I'm healthy. I'm seeing what we got on the. On the squad. Doable, like, that's just gangster. I want my quarterback to be talking. He's talking about 48 touchdowns. He's not talking about, like.

[Joe Burrow]

I'm talking about nothing.

[Joe]

Like now.

[Debo]

You know what I'm saying? I feel like you're like, you know what I'm saying? Looking around. Yeah, I like what we did on defense. We got Dexter Lawrence. We got some talent. I think there's some more talented roster. We got 48. I'm like, oh, this man got the swag. I like it, Joe. I like it, Joe.

[Joe]

For sure.

[Debo]

I'm saying it's smooth. That made me like Joe even more. He ain't even, bro. And it was his. And it was his demeanor. He's just chilling. He's sitting there answering their questions. Yeah, I think it's the most talented roster. We got 48. Doable. Go ahead, Joe.

[Joe Burrow]

I just go out there, stay healthy

[Debo]

and pop and just do what you got to do. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Hey, we got. We got one year. Go ahead, start working what you need to do. Get things set up, then you can come on over here. You know what I'm saying? Aaron about to get seven. Aaron about to get seven.

[Joe Burrow]

You come over here and you get

[Debo]

eight right on in.

[Joe]

And we back to back.

[Debo]

Yep.

[Joe]

Ain't nothing.

[Joe Burrow]

Ain't nothing wrong with it.

[Joe]

Joe.

[Joe Burrow]

Joe, we found.

[Debo]

We found. We found. Look, we found the 25A rod. You know, we can find 60 for Joe.

[Joe]

So holla. Holla at your boy, you know?

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Come on, Mr. Brown. Appreciate you. You know what to go to.

[Debo]

We gonna see. It's gonna be a long. It's gonna be a long. Good old. The good old afc. We're gonna see a lot of jokes. A lot of jokes. Gonna see him, Joe.

[Joe]

Gonna see a lot of the Steelers and the Browns, personal, up close and personal. You know what I'm Saying Titans head coach Robert Salah said one of the first moves the team made in the nutrition overhaul was removing all seed oils from the building.

[Debo]

Okay, Debo, now tell them what's up with this? What's up with the seed oils. You let me know. Tell the people how big this is.

[Joe]

So let's listen to what he said first. And now I'm gonna hit him. I'm gonna hit him with a little bit of.

[Debo]

Hit him. A little knowledge.

[Joe]

A little bit.

[Robert Salah]

Yeah. No, well, one. You know, I thought our, you know, one of the first things I think we did here is get rid of all the seed oils in the building and. Which I think the players appreciate. I know they've. We've, you know, Ms. Amy has allowed us to attack the budget and get the, get the players better. Better variety. I think our. I'll put our staff. And I mean that. I've been in six different buildings, and I, I'd put the staff up there with, with the best of them. I mean, the, The. The product they put out on in the cafeteria daily is outstanding.

[Joe]

So the seed oil thing is kind of. Yeah. Here nor there, but depending on what, you know, research you're looking at. Whatever. Yeah, go it like.

[Debo]

So it's just the whole nutrition overhaul.

[Joe]

Yeah. So basically, seed oils has the possibility of being bad for you or whatever it may be.

[Joe Burrow]

My thing is this.

[Joe]

I use fat, real fat. I use butter, I use lard, beef tallow. I would take the bacon grease from a bacon item made and cook eggs in it. Okay.

[Debo]

Any.

[Joe]

Any kind of animal fat is cool. Olive oil and some, some. Some coconut oil. But I mean, getting rid of seed oils, I think helps, essentially. But again, as he said, it's the, like, where are your other sources? Are they clean? Are your other sources clean? Like your meat? Like, where are you getting that from? Is it natural? All the other stuff, like, is your soup. Is there other foods that you're feeding them, like super refined with other things that got cooked in seed oils through the process and. Da, da, da, da. But the biggest thing for me is the, Is the. Is the combination of putting together fats and carbs, like eating carbs with fat. So when you eat fat and carbs together, like, you're compounding, because if you don't burn off those carbs, they turn into fat. Okay, so now you're eating fat already there. You didn't burn off the carbs, so now you're stacking fat on top of the fat that you already ate. So, like, what you got to do is if you don't get your body to where it can like, or you can get to where you can burn all the carbs off, then what you want to do is like just go. I go like high fat and like moderate protein. So basically it's like keto. So what you're doing is I'm giving my body no carbs to fuel itself. So I'm telling my body, use the fat. Everybody's so worried, like, oh, you got to eat carbs for the energy. No, you don't. Everybody got enough fat on them to survive eating fat. Your body is going to switch over to burning fat. That's like ketosis. That gets you in ketogenics. You start burning a whole bunch of fat. That's why you see a lot of people that go into the keto diets and they lose all this fat because their body switches over to burning fat because you're not giving it carbs. Hello?

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[Stefano Pollard]

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[Stefano Pollard]

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[M]

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I insisted first.

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[Joe Burrow]

So for your body to get to

[Joe]

where you're burning fat, you got to burn whatever carbs you ate already that day just to get to the fat stores. You're not giving your body carbs, then you're already in the fat stores because you're feeding your body fat and it's like, yo, it's just going to burn that all day. Like at some point though, I will say this. If you do it long enough, you go get to a low enough body fat where you're going to have to start eating carbs. Like, like super top athletes and all that. Yes, they need carbs. But if you're by.

[Joe Burrow]

If you're a dude and your body

[Joe]

fat is sitting above, you know, 15.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe Burrow]

Double digit percent. You don't need carbs.

[Joe]

That's just your mind, your body got

[Joe Burrow]

enough fat on it and if you feed it, yeah.

[Debo]

You're gonna survive.

[Joe Burrow]

Like until you get into single digits,

[Joe]

you don't need to worry about eating no carbs, man.

[Joe Burrow]

Like, oh, I can't do this. I can't lose weight.

[Joe]

It's this and that, dude. Just like eat straight protein and eat fat.

[Debo]

And what's in the fact you say eat fat?

[Joe]

Good fat.

[Debo]

Good fat. Like what's good? Give me good fats.

[Joe]

Avocados. Huh? Okay.

[Debo]

Olive oil. Okay.

[Joe]

Butter, dude. Real butter. Not real butter. Like beef. Towel. All that, bro. Like, okay, all the fat. Like any type of animal fat.

[Joe Burrow]

Eat all the meats you want.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe Burrow]

Like, I don't eat, I don't, I don't measure no meat.

[Debo]

Yep. Protein. Protein.

[Joe Burrow]

All the protein.

[Debo]

All protein.

[Joe Burrow]

Protein, bro.

[Joe]

Got you. If it, if it flies, swims or runs, I eat as much of it as I want.

[Debo]

Boom.

[Joe]

Like, it don't, it don't. It don't matter.

[Debo]

Okay.

[Joe]

And then like the rest, like heavy, like, like heavy cream. Like I take and put like, like heavy whipping cream, like in my coffee. Like, stuff like that. Like just like instead of the. Just I'm going heavy, like with everything.

[Joe Burrow]

Like the low fat yogurt, this and that.

[Joe]

No. Yeah, Greek yogurt. The whole, the whole kitten caboodle. Like, how do you find a diet cow? You don't, you don't find a 2% cow.

[Joe Burrow]

It's a whole cow. They process that to get it to where it's at, use chemicals. Like, come on.

[Debo]

It's a whole milk.

[Joe]

Like,

[Debo]

that's funny.

[Joe]

Yeah, bro.

[Debo]

So he moving around, he doing the whole thing.

[Joe Burrow]

Dude, this is the problem. So you want to go and say, I got a Formula One car and then this Formula One car. I'm gonna put this 87 octane. And you think it's gonna run with the rest of them boys? It's running on 100 and something. 200 something octane, whatever it may be. No, you gotta fuel it with the right thing. You can have the coldest engine around, dude, at some point, if you don't fuel that, that, that, that, that, that machine with the correct stuff, it's gonna gunk up and it's not gonna work anymore. You're gunking up is getting older. And as you don't feed your body the right things, it don't perform the same way. That's why you see, when you first start playing when you're in college, bro, you could go out, do this, do that, man, and come back in, man, that first time you hit that 30, and you go and do this, do

[Joe]

that, and you're like, oh, man, it's

[Joe Burrow]

taking me about a half day longer to recover. Go straight right back to it.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe Burrow]

And as you get older, it takes longer and longer. And that's why I've been telling people

[Joe]

like, yo, the easiest way to get in shape is to never get out of shape. Never take off more time than you

[Joe Burrow]

necessarily need to without at least being actively inactive if you don't do nothing

[Joe]

but go and walk.

[Debo]

And that's the thing too, Debo. It's the consistency. People always like, I'm gonna go seven days a week. Listen, listen, listen. Just do every other day and do it. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna go and work out for two hours. I'm like, no, do 35, 40 minutes every other day, and then do that. Get consistent with it. And then you can add in something.

[Joe Burrow]

Add a day.

[Debo]

You can add a day, but you just can't start off with five days. I'm gonna do five days a week. And then you miss the third day. Now you like this. Oh, I done. I messed myself up. No, no, no. Give yourself something tangible.

[Joe]

Don't just recovery.

[Debo]

Recovery, yes, all that. Give yourself a recovery day. So real talk of being able to be like, no, I'm gonna do 30 minutes every other day for a month. Then you get that. Then you start getting the little stuff. They're like, all right, bam. Add me in a day. So just the people starting. I'm gonna go hard. No, you're not. You just can't go from zero to a hundred.

[Joe]

Especially not when you get older, buddy.

[Debo]

Yes, man.

[Joe]

Like young.

[Debo]

You could.

[Joe Burrow]

You could go do that. You could fight through some soreness and all that.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Burrow]

You got. You got.

[Joe]

You got.

[Joe Burrow]

You got youth on your side. You could do it. You could do a little bit of that.

[Joe]

But people are like, man, I've been

[Joe Burrow]

out of it so long, man.

[Joe]

You know, I ain't really worked out in the last, you know, 10, 15 years, bro. Your ass and tear.

[Joe Burrow]

They're talking about you going five days a. One day on, one day off, one

[Joe]

day on, one day off, until you get to where you're not sore anymore. Then you could go in two days, one day off, two days, one day. Like, make sure you Build up to it.

[Joe Burrow]

You can't just jump in the fire and don't.

[Debo]

And there's other part. Don't run in this thing. And just all of a sudden think, you better just work on the. You could do body weight. Body weight stuff is crazy. Where you doing a lot of core, a lot of. Just abs. A lot of that stuff. You be sitting there sweating crazily, and that's what you need to do. Just don't think I'm gonna go get under the bench. I'm trying to do curls. No, no, no. Get your core. Get your. Get your. Man. You got to work the little parts. You know what I'm saying? So just simple stuff, and that's going to get you going. Move.

[Joe]

Incline walk, Joe. The incline walk that I do every day, dude, that will burn off.

[Debo]

You had me sweating bullets.

[Joe Burrow]

You thought we was just going for a walk.

[Debo]

I thought we was going for a walk. You said we gonna walk for an hour. I said, I don't care what happens. I don't care how messed up I am. I can walk for an hour. That thing had us incline. We had us turn around when it hit 30 minutes and I started breathing crazy hard, and I was just sweating, just dripping on the jump. I'm like, oh, yeah, Now I gotta turn it up and not let myself down. I'm not stopping. I'm not stopping. But we working. We not walking no more.

[Joe]

For sure. For sure, for sure, brother. I guess their quarterback, Cam Ward, says he lost 10 pounds this offseason. Ward says, I think it'll help me with durability, just being faster, getting up in the pocket and trying to play my speed. I watch my diet more, continue to have more cardio. Just work on my body just now here. Just now here. And when I'm away from the building. Dang. Sound like everybody doing something. They. They moving everything over. Like, is doing big things over there. They understanding the whole concept. Yo, you know, the crazy thing is

[Joe Burrow]

a lot of these coaches, a lot

[Joe]

of these teams, I think it's just like the. The NFL in general. Maybe the ownership just don't understand the concept of what you could get out of your players if you give them the correct.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Things to fuel their body and recover their body. Like, it is your. I was. Dude, when I was in Cincinnati, bro, they was eating Earmark. The stadium food was making the food, like, for the.

[Debo]

For the.

[Joe]

I was like, I couldn't believe it, bro. Yeah, Like, I couldn't believe it. Like, it was the craziest thing ever. Like, Cold cuts and all that. I don't know. I don't know.

[Debo]

If you look at it, you got like, the same way we talk about the field all the time is the same way, like ownership. If they really looked at it like, as people, what do I need to make my investment better if I'm giving these dudes the good food instead of giving them subway? It's the. It's the little things of where organizations are taking care of nutrition, making sure they're getting them the shakes, making sure they're taking whatever kind of supplements, whatever they need, you know what I'm saying? Individualizing it. And that's going to take more time and that's going to take more money because everybody isn't built the same. You don't need what I need, you know what I'm saying? So the quicker that teams are really starting to understand, all right, turf is. Grass is more expensive, but it's going to help our players, their bodies, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

What do we need?

[Debo]

Food? We can just get in these cold cuts, you know what I'm saying? They can have them things running in or can I go specifically. My linebacker here needs to lose a little bit weight. Can I get them on a program where I have somebody specifically taking care of. That's going to cost more. But in the long run, you're going to get a better version and the best shape person of your player. So it's like, are you going to go and go that extra mile where it's like just knowing. Because the dudes, when you come into the league, you don't know what you don't know. They're giving you the fools and you only to meet dudes like you. To meet dudes like Cam that actually have people outside of the joint that are taking care of you. Really doing the dry needles, really making sure, like, nah, I got this person for you. This masseuse is going to make sure you get right. I got this person. I got this chamber, the hyperbaric. We gonna go in there and get right. Like, you find that the quicker, if the organization comes in there and it already have, soon as these rookies come in, we got nutritionists, we got the real dry needling people. We know what this is going to do. And even if they start taking care of some of this stuff, it's ex.

[Joe]

Oh, yo, yo, I got you.

[Debo]

Oh, okay. It gets a little expensive. So as long as they start taking care of that, like, just knowing when you do stuff with your investment, it can really, you can get it on the back end.

[Joe]

Yeah. I mean like even like when you look at like, like the training staff, all the other stuff, like, like just the soft tissue injuries that, that we have like muscle tears and all that other strains, like, dude, that's nothing but muscle imbalance or weakness, you know, and if you get that and you actually sit there and individualize each person's workout and test them individualized, you'll get a player to be able to where he's less than that. Definitely.

[Debo]

Hello?

[Malcolm Glebel]

Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart talks with IBM. Today. We're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Stefano Pollard]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans. In the digital age.

[Stefano Pollard]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Interviewer 2]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Stefano Pollard]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

[Malcolm Glebel]

To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit IBM.comferrari

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[Joe]

Yeah, like when we pulled hamstrings, calves, quads, all that other stuff.

[Debo]

When we were, when I was playing for the Steelers, we would take that little test and gee would have like you knew if your hamstring was about to get ready to. You know what I'm saying? Like they were like, oh no, your hamstrings are. There's something up with it a little bit. And they would just start working on your Hamstrings, like, your hamstrings are a little weaker, so we need to start working on them. I remember that was something that I had when I was there. That guy was like, nah, something's up with your hamstrings a little bit. And I would just start working on them hamstrings more.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's just all. Like I said, it's all dependent on what your. Your deficiency is and what that imbalance is. Usually they use a. Like a machine, and you'll use, like, where you do hard quad work and you do hard hamstring work, and you measure the difference between the two, you know, through that. And then you try and, you know, get that difference to where it's less than 10, preferably less than 5 is the case. Well, but, like, that's considered, like, perfection anytime. Zero to five is considered perfection. Ten is when you start running into issues. And anything over that, it ain't about when it's. I mean, it ain't about if it's about when. When you go pull it. So the reigning NFL mvp, Matthew Stafford, is officially tied to the Los Angeles Rams for the next two years after the Rams announced they have extended Stafford's contract. Bruh. Contract extension is for one year. 55 million.

[Debo]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The deal is worth up to 60 million with incentives. Stafford now has two years and up to a hundred. Oh, my goodness. 105 million remaining on his contract with the Raiders, says Schefter. Yo.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

I told you that boy won.

[Debo]

Yes. Sounds. This is exactly right. That's exactly what's supposed to happen. Market, he's balling. His team is doing great. That's basically say at 105, is averaging around 50, 55, 56 a year. You know what I'm saying? So solid.

[Joe]

They picked up Simpson, right?

[Debo]

You said what?

[Joe]

They picked up Ty, right?

[Debo]

Yep. Yeah, they picked up Ty. But you know what? It's in the. Yes, Ty is in the A rod.

[Joe]

It's yours. And two, just look.

[Debo]

Watch and grow. Watch and grow. Watch. Learn from them. Learn from. Learn from them.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, man, take everything from him.

[Debo]

You like telling you literally, you're a tick, you're gonna be learning from. You're gonna be learning from him for sure.

[Joe Burrow]

Get all the information you can, baby.

[Debo]

Because that man, Matthew Stafford, though, bro, deserves every dollar he's throwing the ball. Amazing. Still, I think he's going to the Hall. Nothing like it. No reason. When they lost, I think their defense kind of let them down. It was not because of any. Anything on the offensive side of the ball. They put up points. No, no, that's what I'm saying. So with this contract, with this extension, making sure you're going to be there for the next two. Right up there with the highest paid quarterbacks deservingly. So like when you see that Dax making 60 and he just got the 55 extension, the numbers are what? The numbers are. So like, it just, it's just up there. That's what it is. Matthew Stafford, one of them dudes, he didn't go reset the market. He's under. You know what I'm saying? Under what the highest paid dudes are making. So, I mean, it is what it is.

[Joe]

How is he under with the highest paid dudes is making dudes up there at least got a year for like 60 with a.

[Debo]

With a.

[Joe]

With a. With a. With a.

[Debo]

With an extra five on top. That's what I'm doing though. That's what you do when you are Matthew Stafford and with the Rams, it's no. What we gonna be sitting here messing around with the 5 mil where it's like, end of the day, I'm good, you guys are good. We're in a. I don't know.

[Joe]

But out there in la, man, hell, that's.

[Debo]

There you go, Debo. But look, come on, man. That. That 55, he's. He's hard. He's chilling. You and taxes do not get along. I feel you, but just with Matthew Stafford being a vet, being a baller, it's not. It's when you say he could have tried to go crazy and go get what, 61. Try to like, I mean, just show

[Joe Burrow]

him a little bit of respect, man. Game, game.

[Debo]

That's 55 million dollar extension. That's what I love about him is like, what are we talking about here? Like, you what with that 55, what you gonna be able to do different that you couldn't do with that 60? I hear you. That's five mil. But now we can go. Maybe we can go get you another in California.

[Joe]

You're right.

[Debo]

It ain't much.

[Joe Burrow]

Might not be no more than a

[Joe]

mill and a half.

[Debo]

Yes, man. Let that man live. That man Matthew Stafford. Shoot. Shout out to him. Shout out to. No, look, pass. Shout out to him. Getting drafted and still balling. He was doing it with the Lions and now. It's not his fault. It's not his fault.

[Joe Burrow]

Let me.

[Joe]

Let me go back to that. Now that I was just. That. That just refreshed my head, Joe. Burrow, burrow.

[Debo]

Oh, Lord, yes.

[Joe]

What you got for see What Stafford did got up out of Detroit,

[Debo]

and

[Joe]

when Gotti one, almost had two. Joe Burrow get out of Cincinnati. You don't want to die there. You don't want your career to die there. No, sir. I don't want it for you.

[Debo]

Yep.

[Joe Burrow]

It hurts my heart to think about it.

[Debo]

Nobody does.

[Joe]

Hurts my heart.

[Debo]

Nobody wants that form.

[Joe]

Such talent. Talent sitting there wasting Cincinnati bungles.

[Debo]

We got this year. This year going. This year. This year is the. This year is the make or break, brother. Debo.

[Joe]

Listen, after we go get this one, go upstairs, talk to Mr. Brown, and you tell him you gotta go,

[Debo]

man.

[Joe]

Gotta go. There's no need. There's no need.

[Debo]

I don't think if we go get it. I don't know if Joe Burrow gonna. Yeah, he probably. He. He probably just know. He's that man. He probably won't do it himself.

[Joe]

Dude, what are you talking about? Look at Mayfield.

[Debo]

Who? Baker.

[Joe Burrow]

Baker in Cleveland said, hey, look, Baker had to go.

[Debo]

Baker had a whole different trajectory. Nobody's beating down Cleveland.

[Joe]

He would have still been.

[Debo]

Oh, oh, oh, okay.

[Joe]

I know you've been in Cleveland. That would just be. You know, hey, sometimes. Although the organization brought you in, that ain't gonna. Dang. Who gonna be your dancing partner all night? You know, sometimes you gotta. Sometimes you gotta switch partners if you want to get that trophy. Hell, look, LeBron did it.

[Debo]

LeBron James.

[Joe Burrow]

LeBron James.

[Debo]

He had to.

[Joe Burrow]

Couple times.

[Debo]

They weren't. They weren't. Look, they weren't getting the pieces around them in the Cavs at first that they needed, and he had to go there and learn how to get the ship. Went and got it done with Dwayne Wade and them, then came back, and then we had the pieces. They got Kyrie, Kevin Love, and everybody squab.

[Joe]

That's what I'm talking about. This ain't gonna be the first time, but like I said, we got a year. You got time to think on it. We go help you with that decision when we play you a couple times a year, for sure. But, you know, you don't want to end up in a situation, you know, that you're already in and staying there and not being able to get back to where you went, you know, went. There was first, second, third year or something like that. Now you may not never see it again. Everybody think it's easy to get back. They don't realize how much work it took there and how much luck and. And, and, and, and, and. And. And sacrifice and all the pieces that go with that. You Know to.

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[Joe]

Joe.

[Debo]

I'm gonna bring it back.

[Joe Burrow]

Look at the Cavs.

[Debo]

Yeah. What about.

[Joe Burrow]

They thought they had it

[Joe]

and they didn't.

[Debo]

There's no way you can run it back around to the Cavs losing that game.

[Joe]

What you mean? It's the same thing.

[Debo]

Oh, and then don't. And then. And then Baker Mayfield, Bro. Baker Mayfield was balling for the Browns. Went to the playoffs and won. We just should have signed him to a little extension. He would have been fine.

[Joe Burrow]

No, he would have been there. Losing again.

[Debo]

We won to the playoffs.

[Joe Burrow]

We was on.

[Debo]

He was on a nice trajectory. And we ended up one playoff game

[Joe Burrow]

in the last 30 years. Joe.

[Debo]

Brother. But Baker Mayfield. He wasn't there for 30 years. During Baker Mayfield's time, he did what he had to do. We was getting. We was on an upward trajectory. And then we ended up thinking that we was going to do this. No, that's what I'm saying. But it has nothing to do with Baker Mayfield. We him to a little bit longer. He would have been good.

[Joe Burrow]

Synonymous. They go together.

[Debo]

Cavs won the ship. Cavs won the ship.

[Joe]

True statement.

[Debo]

Cavs got that. Cass got that ring. Yeah. So, you know, we just trying to get to. You know, we. Right there. We Eastern quit. Eastern Conference finals again.

[Joe Burrow]

Y' all doing y' all best to

[Joe]

show them how to lose one. You just showed them how to lose one. You had an opportunity to. At least game one was kicked in in the finals.

[Joe Burrow]

You don't even get that opportunity anymore. It's over with.

[Debo]

Next thing. What you saying? Nixon 4.

[Joe]

Nixon 4.

[Debo]

You crazy out your mind.

[Joe Burrow]

They go close it out at your place, popping champagne bottles in your locker room.

[Debo]

Oh, and that's going to be the Game four is on Monday, and that's the game I will be at. So you telling me we about to lose.

[Joe Burrow]

You telling

[Debo]

Saturday and Monday. I'mma talk to you before game four. On the show, you said you're going right, and we gonna be

[Joe Burrow]

going right.

[Debo]

I'm going to. Yeah. I'm going to the game on Monday.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

Game four.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Joe Burrow]

That will be.

[Joe]

I don't.

[Joe Burrow]

Joe.

[Debo]

What?

[Joe Burrow]

Wow.

[Joe]

Joe. You think, like, that is going to crush you.

[Joe Burrow]

Do you want me to go with you?

[Joe]

Like, do you want me to show up after the game to be there for you?

[Joe Burrow]

I will do that because it's only

[Joe]

a hour and a half drive. I will be there because I know you're going to be crushed. You may not even be able to walk.

[Joe Burrow]

Like, I will have to carry you like the way you say your soul is hurting.

[Joe]

Be there and watch them get fake. Hello?

[Malcolm Glebel]

Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart talks with IBM. Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Stefano Pollard]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

[Stefano Pollard]

Ferrari fans and superfans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Interviewer 2]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Stefano Pollard]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

[Malcolm Glebel]

To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit IBM.comferrari

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[M]

No, I got it.

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[Joe]

I assist.

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Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.

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No.

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[Joe Burrow]

You see them boys popping bottles in the locker room? You want me to come there?

[Debo]

Honestly, Honestly, Honestly, no. Not with this energy.

[Joe Burrow]

Honestly, no. I'm there in support of you.

[Debo]

Okay. Are you going to be wearing Cavs gear? You going to be supporting Joe?

[Joe Burrow]

I'm coming after the game to get you out of there. You go be in a a ball, a heap of lump and nothing but just tears and sorrow.

[Debo]

This man.

[Joe]

It's funny.

[Debo]

I'm going to know more how I'm going to feel after game three because.

[Joe Burrow]

Okay, after game three when you lose, you might not want to show up to to Monday.

[Joe]

You might want to get sick.

[Joe Burrow]

That's going to. You don't want to show up for if after you lose game three. Joe, don't go Monday. It's gonna be a start to a horrible week. It takes a while when you're not playing that game to get over this Cause you relive it, you replay it back. You know what I'm saying? And you gotta watch it. You can't not watch it now, Joe. This is what we do.

[Debo]

Oh, I'm definitely watching. I'm definitely watching. And just. I'm not gonna talk to you, though.

[Joe Burrow]

How you not talk to me, Joe? We got a show Tuesday.

[Debo]

Oh, after the game. After the game. I'm definitely. Okay. No, I'm not talking to you after the game three, win or lose, I'm just gonna talk to you on Monday before game four. Cause I don't wanna. I don't wanna talk trash to you. I just want all of it to be fresh. I want all of it to be fresh.

[Joe]

What about Tuesday, Joe? What you gonna do Tuesday Morning, Joe?

[Joe Burrow]

Depending after y' all just got popped. Joe, I'm trying to come there and help you.

[Debo]

Pull up. Pull up, Debo. Pull up.

[Joe Burrow]

Goodness, man.

[Debo]

Pull up. Pull up.

[Joe Burrow]

Like. I don't understand what's wrong with you kids nowadays, man. Y' all know y' all can't take. When y'.

[Joe]

All. Y' all get hurt.

[Debo]

It's cause I care.

[Joe Burrow]

You got everything put on. It don't make sense, Joe.

[Debo]

I care.

[Joe Burrow]

Your kids seeing you moping around, your wife seeing you moping around, she gotta stand up and put the pants on, Joe. No, no, no. Daddy's sick. He ain't crying over the Cleveland and the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Browns. He's a man still, I think.

[Debo]

Shut up, man.

[Joe Burrow]

He's still your daddy. You gonna show him some respect.

[Debo]

She gonna show. My boys was mad, too. My boy's dad. Did the Cavs win? No.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, man.

[Debo]

Cause it's past their bedtime. They gotta go to sleep. Waking up. Dad did the Cavs.

[Joe Burrow]

Son, you done put them into a hole, man. And now they ain't got. Ain't no basketball team over here for

[Joe]

them to root for.

[Debo]

We rooting for the Cavs over here. We room for the Cavs over here.

[Joe]

Joe. Joe, if they lose game three, you going to game four. Yeah, for real.

[Debo]

They lose game three, I'm still going to game four. I got to. But I don't believe in us losing game three. We going to defend our same. We got to defend our home turf. I'm saying this, but I'm still. I can't

[Joe Burrow]

listen to what you're saying. You don't believe it.

[Debo]

I do.

[Joe Burrow]

It's not in your heart, Joe. You ever watch the boys. You ever watch the boys on. On prime, man?

[Debo]

No, I haven't watched Mind Readers I

[Joe Burrow]

haven't watched the boys people's minds to see what they really feel in their heart. If they was reading your mind right now, Joe, they know I can hear it. The chat can hear it. The chat can hear it in your words. They can feel it that you. It's nothing there. They saying, don't worry, Joe. They know you worried. Why would they tell you don't worry if they don't know you worried if they don't feel you already worried.

[Debo]

Hey, man, it's been a rough day today on this side. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Burrow]

Joe, is there a reason you wearing no sunglasses? Were you crying all night?

[Debo]

I'm a little puffy.

[Joe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Debo]

I ain't cry. I ain't cry. I ain't that sad.

[Joe]

You ain't that sad? You ain't crying.

[Debo]

That was just more. It was more. It was more like. It was more.

[M]

Come on.

[Joe Burrow]

You did that. I don't wanna.

[Debo]

I don't wanna want it more than they. I can't want it more than they want it.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, that's what it sound like to me.

[Debo]

That's all I'm. That's all I'm saying.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, Joe, I don't wanna want it. Ain't that what you say to somebody that be asking you about this and asking you about that? Say, I wanna do this, I wanna do that. But then when it come time to do it, they don't wanna do it. I can't want it more for you than you want it for yourself.

[Debo]

I can't want it more than you want it for yourself because I done did. I done did it. That's what I tell myself.

[Joe Burrow]

That's what I gotta tell.

[Debo]

I can't want it more than you want it because it's not for me. I done did my thing. This is yours.

[Joe]

I don't think James Harden want to play no defense. You want to go talk to him.

[Debo]

That's just what I'm telling you right now. I love the beard, but when I'm telling you, when I speak on our.

[Joe Burrow]

Joe,

[Debo]

I like the beard.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

A lot.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Debo]

I think he has a great offensive game. He can dribble the ball. Amazingly. The. The hand, the. The ball handling package is unbelievable. All I need, though, is this. This is what I'm saying. I know you're not a great defensive player, but, coach, don't put James Harden out there on Jalen Brunson anymore. And then James. Just move. Just move. I need effort. I need you to just for me, show me that you. I Know you want it. I know you want it.

[Joe]

I think his beard too heavy. He can't move as fast as he needs to. He might want to cut some of it off.

[Debo]

No, don't mess with his beard. The beer's fine. The beer's fine.

[Joe]

I don't know. He looks stiff through the neck. Sometime when he move like that, he be trying. Like he ain't getting over there. I don't know.

[Debo]

All I know, the games are lit. I ain't even get to tell you. I went out to Oklahoma City the other day to scout the competition. I went to game two out of Oklahoma City the other day.

[Joe Burrow]

What?

[Debo]

Yeah, scout.

[Joe Burrow]

What competition, bro? Y' all is not getting out of this.

[Debo]

I did. I went out there and I saw.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, you seen what happened? Game two. Hey, that man.

[Debo]

That man.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, Wimpy. Can't put that out every game like that.

[Debo]

This is what happened. They did a great job. It's a little bit of coaching. They didn't put the little. The shorter guys on them. They put Hartenstein just to put that body on him. I seen Wimby in person. He's humongous. His. The thing that threw me off was his foot. His shoes about this tall. It's not even how. It's probably about a 23, but his foot about this tall. His shoe. That's the crazy part. I'm like, how is he running around carrying these big boats on his feet? That's what was throwing me off the whole time. He looks. He's bro. Standing over everybody but his feet running around was the. Was the craziest part. But Hartenstein just kept laying the body on him. Cause he's light. He might be victim weight because he's, like, tall, but once he's get the.

[Joe Burrow]

He under 200. Ain't no way he under 200, Joe.

[Debo]

No, no, he was, man. All right. All right. They say 230 because he's 7 foot 6. So 230, 7 foot 6.

[Joe Burrow]

That might as well be victim weight.

[Debo]

That mean you all the way up there, 230. Like, that's a lot. That's real skinny with it. But he was doing a great job just keeping him out of the paint. So good games, good ball.

[Joe]

That's.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, that's.

[Joe]

Hey, that's a good thing. But that wasn't you scouting. That was you looking at. Looking at greatness. You was. You. You wanted to see what it looked like because you had. You had forgot what it looked like after you seen what happened to him. With 740 left in the first game, you know, against New York, you. You seen what happened to the Cavs and you wanted to go see what greatness looked like. That's all that was. Joe, you wasn't stopping nothing.

[Debo]

You know, you had a chance to

[Joe]

hell of winning the series that you got right now. It's okay, Joe. Yeah, it's okay. Look here, man.

[Joe Burrow]

We go, we go, we go.

[Joe]

Keep it moving.

[Joe Burrow]

But we go.

[Joe]

Keep it moving. Look here.

[Joe Burrow]

Hey, we are out of time anyway. It's about time for us to go.

[Joe]

Yes, I want to do is. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe.

[Debo]

Yep.

[Joe]

Make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your podcast.

[Joe Burrow]

Joe.

[Debo]

Yo, we will see y' all on Monday. Let's root for these cast. Let's hope it's going to be what it's going to be, but I'll see y' all on Monday and we out.

[Joe]

It's gonna be what it's gonna be.

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