Best of NBA News Part 2: Brad Stevens REVEALS Jaylen Brown trade decision + Terry Rozier DENIED BAIL + LeBron to Sixers "VERY SERIOUS" + Ben Wallace with some 2016 Cavs SHADE

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Best of NBA News Part 2 (July 11, 2026)

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc") and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho")
Episode Theme: Unfiltered reactions and breakdowns of the latest NBA news & culture, including major trades, team dynamics, and league controversies.

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Overview

This episode dives deep into recent blockbuster NBA news:

• The real reasons behind the Celtics trading away Jaylen Brown and GM Brad Stevens’ candid explanation.
• Fallout and future for players like Lamelo Ball, Miles Bridges, and Terry Rozier.
• Ben Wallace’s "shade" at the 2016 Cavs’ team culture.
• LeBron James’ very real interest in the Philadelphia 76ers.
• The escalating cost of NBA superstars, salary cap conundrums, and player motivations.
• Lively banter, including candid talk about locker room dynamics, and wild attempts at spicing up life off the court.

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Key Discussion Points & Timed Highlights

1. Ben Wallace’s "Anniversary Shade": NBA Team Culture

• [03:53] Ben Wallace throws shade at the 2016 Cavaliers by saying the 2004 Pistons wouldn’t do a team vacation like that, emphasizing the cultural differences between eras and teams.
• Hosts reflect on changes in team dynamics, suggesting today’s stars are closer due to age and off-court friendships, unlike the more "old school" Piston era.
• Memorable Moment:
  • "Y'all guys old, y'all decrepit. Y'all gonna need wheelchairs to get around anyway." – Host 1, [05:23]

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2. Hornets’ Trades: Cleaning Up the Locker Room

• [08:26] Discusses Adam Finkelstein’s claim that trading Lamelo Ball and Miles Bridges was about removing "bad influences" and building a new locker room culture.
• Hosts challenge this narrative, noting the absence of complaints until the trades happened.
• Shannon: "I just hate when people get traded and all of a sudden they were bad influences. I never heard this while those two guys were playing." ([09:17])
• The shift to building around Brandon Miller and Knipple, prioritizing professionalism and team-first mentality.
• Conversation on the economic aspect – unwillingness to pay two young stars $300M contracts.
• "You still need that dog. You need some dogs to get you over the hump." – Host 2, [10:39]

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3. NBA Superstar Contracts & 'Taking a Haircut'

• [14:04] Explores the challenge of keeping superteams together as player salaries skyrocket.
• The rarity of "taking a haircut" (accepting less money) like Jalen Brunson did for the Knicks.
• Lachlan Sharpe: "For every Tom Brady, everybody else took all the money they supposed to get." ([14:47])
• Ocho: "Hell no. Not in my prime." regarding taking less for team building ([18:46]).
• Discussion on the future of the salary cap, predicting the end of the "big three" era due to unsustainable payrolls.

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4. Brad Stevens Explains Jaylen Brown Trade

• [24:46] Celtics GM Brad Stevens’ comments on trading Jaylen Brown:
  • "The path looked a little bit more challenging with 70% of our cap and such a high percent of our usage tied into two players." ([25:02] – Brad Stevens audio)
  • Hosts question the logic, comparing pursuit of Giannis (who would also have massive usage/cap share).
  • Point out Stevens’ comments mask deeper motivations: "I think there are a lot of moving parts, and nobody's gonna ever say the real reason. … some of JB's outspokenness…he felt they never gave him the credit he deserved." ([34:27] – Host 1)
• "Money ruins everything." – Host 1, [38:05]
• Jason Tatum responds: "To be honest, it’s weird…You just hope…We draft two guys that high…exactly what we thought that would be. And … money ruins everything."

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5. LeBron James to Sixers: “Very Serious”

• [31:19, revisit at 50:44]
  • Reports indicate LeBron is listening seriously to the Sixers sales pitch, considering Philly, Cleveland, Miami, and others.
  • Debate over best basketball fit for LeBron’s last chapter: Miami for ball handling, Warriors for system, but Philly has genuine traction as a title contender with Embiid and newly landed Jaylen Brown.
  • On the Lakers: "[They] never offered a vision, a face-to-face meeting, or a formal offer to LeBron before he decided to leave." ([59:54])
  • "It was obvious. This is what they wanted. The mere fact that when they got Luka, that was it." – Host 1, [61:37]

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6. Terry Rozier Denied Bail: The NBA’s Gambling Problem

• [67:39] Covers Terry Rozier’s denied bail modification after violating court orders while facing sports gambling charges.
• Hosts articulate the PR nightmare of bringing players back under the cloud of gambling suspicions:
  • "Every turnover. Yeah. Every loose ball that he doesn't get. Now I question everything … I shouldn't have to watch a game like that." – Host 1, [69:29]
• Review historical context—Paul Hornung, Alex Karras, Art Schlichter—highlighting how gambling has been a red line for leagues.

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7. Money, Motivation, and Player Mentality

• Lively riff on the obsession with contracts and building long-term wealth:
  • "I'm a hundred millionaire, which is good, but I'm trying to get to be in front of my name [billionaire]." – Host 1, [38:52]
  • Pyramid scheme breakdown: why some players risk everything for what seems too good to be true ([82:36]–[84:11])

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8. Locker Room Banter & Memorable Off-Court Moments

• [40:21] On spicing up life and "expanding your horizons"—jovial back-and-forth on "pop rocks," alluding to trying new things for fun or as coping mechanisms.
• Ocho to Joe: "You alive, but you're not living, Joe. I'm just trying to help you spice up your love life." ([46:41])
• The humor and camaraderie between hosts provides comic relief and underlines their authenticity.

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Notable Quotes

• On NBA Contracts:
  "You might have seen your last three-peat, you might have seen your last repeat. Because it's going to get harder and harder. Somebody contract is going to be coming up damn near every year." – Host 1, [14:04]

• On Team Management Decisions:
  "I just hate when people get traded and all of a sudden they were bad influences. I never heard this while those two guys were playing." – Host 1, [09:17]

• On Jaylen Brown’s Celtic Exit:
  "I think it was some of JB's outspokenness. JB felt they never gave him the credit that he deserved, and he said it. I use that to motivate me." – Host 1, [34:27]

• On the Reality for Rozier:
  "It's a PR nightmare. ... Every turnover. Yeah. Every loose ball that he doesn't get. Now, now, I question everything, and that's not how it should be." – Host 2 & Host 1, [69:17–69:29]

• On Player Wealth:
  "I'm a hundred millionaire, which is good, but I'm trying to get—to be in front of my name." – Host 1, [38:52]

• On NBA Gambling:
  "I just couldn't do that. To basically bet against my team or knowing the hard work that I put in … and this is what I'm gonna do?" – Host 1, [79:58]

• On Lakers Moving On from LeBron:
  "They love Braun, but they was ready to move on Uncle Ocho." – Host 3, [60:12]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 03:53 – Ben Wallace/Pistons vs. 2016 Cavs team culture
• 08:26 – Charlotte Hornets trade Lamelo Ball & Miles Bridges: culture/contract analysis
• 14:04 – The "haircut": NBA supermax reality and future of superteams
• 24:46 – Brad Stevens on Jaylen Brown trade; hosts dissect Celtics’ front office motives
• 31:19 & 50:44 – LeBron-to-Sixers talk: why it's real and who’s in play
• 34:27 – Jaylen Brown’s outspokenness as a factor in his trade
• 38:05–38:52 – NBA money talk; the drive for billions
• 40:21–47:00 – Banter on expanding personal "horizons" (comic interlude)
• 67:39–81:23 – Terry Rozier denied bail; NBA’s historical stance on gambling; trust and PR
• 82:36–85:16 – Pyramid schemes: why people fall for them, analogized to player risk-taking

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Closing Thoughts

This episode delivers classic Nightcap: sharp, no-nonsense analysis, unapologetic honesty, and irrepressible humor. The hosts connect the court to the culture, exposing both the business and human sides of NBA drama. Their skepticism of PR narratives and empathy for players’ off-court realities elevate the conversation as more than just sports talk.

Transcript

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Joe Wallace Old school, bro. But you know, that's a testament to Braun though. Braun a fun loving dude, man. He enjoyed being around them cats and they enjoy being around him. I just think it's it's different. Not to say that piston scene didn't hang out, cause I'm sure they did.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But what year was that?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

04 they won and what was that? 03 they won.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That was old.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, they wanted 04. Yeah, they wanted.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

they wanted what, 2001? 2 and then 3 and then. Yeah, yeah, because I think the Pistons wanted the Pistons one in four, right?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I think so. 2004

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

or the Pistons won in three. Lakers won in 2001 and three.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm trying to think.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But you got. But it's different now. Look, the way we think. These guys, first of all, y' all guys old, y' all decrepit. Y' all gonna need wheelchairs to get around anyway. Ain't nobody pushing nobody. These guys still in their 30s. Brian is the oldest one at 41. Most of these guys in their mid-30s, maybe. Rich. How Richard? I think Richard Jefferson came in the league before the party.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Richard gotta be. He about 46.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, Richard.

[Tab Ramos]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Richard. Cause Richard played like two, three years in college. But look, it's a different time now. And look. And for me. And I think he said, look, we ain't like that. We don't really be traveling like that. That's. That's what. I took it out. I think they. Because when you win a championship, you're just naturally close. It just is. You have a bond. You have something that tied you together. That nobody. That's unbreakable.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, but you know what? I think that would be dope, though. That would be dope for them to do that. So I'm looking at that roster from back in the days, right? I think it'd be dope. So I'm thinking of the people that I know. Tayshawn Prince, Ben Wallace. Rasheed Wallace is fun. That's my dog. That's my homeboy, Rasheed. She had Chauncey Billups. I could see them. Rip Hamilton. I can see them hanging out.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But, Joe. What you talking about, Joe? But I had.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I had.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I had street bikes when I was playing.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You hardly big bike, though.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, I know. I want. I want the big boy with the 30 inch grill. So, I mean sitting back, legs wide. Listen to Frankie Beverly and Maze. Hey, Joe, I ain't going over 40, 50 miles an hour. I'm cruising.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No, I'm good.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, with my cowboy boots on and

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

a tank top with four wheels and a top on it. That's why I get down and get. I don't want anyone. No convertible no more. Now I'm good.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, we got something for you, though. We got one for you. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

According to Adam Frankelstein, the Hornets trading Lamelo Ball and Mile Bridges was getting rid of bad influences. They cleaned up the locker room. They're getting rid of the bad influences. They're bringing in professionals, Joe. Yeah, listen, man, those nice guys, and we see this a lot, a lot. So I don't know. Look, I don't know nobody. I don't know anyone in Charlotte to confirm or deny this, but hey, yeah, they traded to. I mean, LaMelo Ball was. He's been the best player the Hornets had ever drafted. He's the best player they ever drafted. They finally got it right. Of all, they had Michael Key Green, Chris, and they had Adam Morrison, and they had all these guys. And now the other kid, the Miller kid, he can play. He can play. What does this mean, Joe? You think there's any validity to this? Do you see? Because, you know, I just hate. I just hate when people get traded and all of a sudden they were bad influences. I never heard this while those two guys were playing. Anything about bad influences in the locker room.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Well, listen, man, you talking about cleaning up the culture of your franchise, of your team. Normally it starts with the head of the snake, which is lamelo. You know, I don't know what type of leader he is, Uncle Ocho, or how he was leading those young men, but obviously they wanted to go in a different direction with Miles Bridges. Great, great young talent. At the same time, man, when you trying to be a rapper and play a professional sport, you know, and I understand some cats do do it, but hey, man, every franchise ain't going for that, bro. You know, when they want to clean up their locker room, they want to Get. Hey, man, they got to start somewhere. And obviously, if you asking me, Lamelo and Bridges was probably two of your best talents that you had. And you just at their highest, you know, value, you just tried to get something for them. I think they. Yeah, I think they cleaning up the locker room. They want a different culture around them, bro.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, well, listen, they gonna have a different culture. They clean up the locker room and you know, certain.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Certain.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You're not gonna win with what you got, though. You're not gonna win with what you got. Sometimes you gotta have some players that's a little rough around the edge, huh? Sometimes you need that on your team. You need a little edge. Cause you know, high character guys or great guys that are for the locker room or players that are perfect examples. I mean, that's only gonna get you so far, Joe. You still need that. You still need that dog. You still need you some dogs to get you, you know, over the hump.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Ocho, as good as the Hornets were last year, think about this, man. Hell, they still didn't make the playoffs. You know, they played in the play in.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So, you know, okay, where they gonna be at this year?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I think the Hornets feel like they can stay right where they at here with the team they got versus continue. And then you have to pay these guys. See, that's the problem. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Miles Bridges on the expiring contract, he's gonna want big money. And then I'm gonna have to make a decision on Mellow. Am I gonna give Mello 300 million? It's like, nah, we're not.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So this. All right.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And when I said Charlotte, I'm not look. I'm looking at people drafted to Charlotte. I understand the New Orleans Hornets, I think they became the Charlotte. So for the song. So Chris.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I don't.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I don't look at Chris Paul. Yeah, Chris Paul is the best player that's been in that organization. New Orleans, Charlotte, but Charlotte didn't draft him. Of the players for me, I know Kimber Walker, you might say Kimber, but I think based on the trajectory of where it was heading, I think Melo was going to be the best player selected. But we'll never know. We'll never know. It got cut short. They traded him. Knipple looks really good. Miller looks really good. They feel they got. They got a group of guys now with Kobe. White can score the basketball more of kind of in line. What they want to do. Kind of want to build their off. It seems to me they want to build their offense around Brandon Miller and Conquer nipple. Yep, exactly. And I don't think they felt they could do that with Melo and Mile Bridges on there because they're like, you know what? Miles probably going to be trying to play for a contract. And him playing for a contract might not be most conducive for us winning games you have so. Because Chad, you just can't think as a player. You gotta think as an organization that's about to invest 100. And it's easy for somebody. Just pay em. It's easy to pay somebody when it's not your money. Hey, it's easy to pay somebody when

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

it's not your money.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And Lamelo and Miles Bridges are ball stoppers, you know, they play in isolation. They like to dribble that ball. They like to playmate, man. I'm telling y', all, man, the way the league going, bro, it's only gonna be a handful of guys who really get to kind of mix and do what they want out there. If you can't shoot, if you can't catch and shoot and get to that cup. Hey, man, it's a hard place for you. Cause going to these teams now because the NBA is so much younger, Uncle Ocho, it's always gonna have a guy already there, you know what I mean? So you fall in line, bro. And to catch who. Who've always been the man all the way up until they get professional. That's why they get lost in the sauce. Because they don't know how to play no other role if they ain't playing the lead role, you know what I mean? So cats gonna have to. Hey, they gonna have to find a way to adapt, bro, and be effective. Cause that's how you stay.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And I. And I think, Joe, it's gonna be hard to keep two superstars because once that money get to 300 million, I'm not paying two guys on the same team 300 million. And I damn sure ain't finna pay him 400 million because that's where this thing is headed, right? That's where it's headed. So it's about to be harder and harder. You might have seen your last three peat, you might have seen your last repeat. Because it's going to get harder and harder. Because guess what? Somebody contract is going to be coming up damn near every year.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So. And if your star players. How can I keep it together?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You got to do what, what Brunson did for the Knicks.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You got a whole bunch of.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You gotta hope your top guy take a haircut.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said a haircut. I said a nice fade. You got me a Caesar. You gave me a soul Jack. You cut off by ear shot. Because here's the thing, Ocho, you know this. In football, for every Tom Brady, everybody else took all the money they supposed to get.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, come on, now.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But listen, you know, teams gonna be preaching that, though, okay? If we give you. Oh, if we give you 300 M's, how we gonna fill out the damn roster?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

We can't. I'll let you figure that out.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I ain't got nothing to do with that.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm let you figure that out. Joe, guess what? As a matter of fact, the. The church. I get my service. I get my service on.

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

On my phone. I listen to church service on the phone. I.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You take.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

If you take.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

If you take this little haircut, we can bring you in two valuable pieces that you can use and we can win us a title, you know?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, what, Dollar Bill Teller, I got a contract betwixt me and you to say you pay me what you owe me. I want all that. I. I just don't see. I just don't see guys doing what Brunson did. I commend him. I'm never gonna hold it against him. He's the king of New York. He was. He's forever knighted. He's forever golden in that state, in that city. But I don't believe. I don't believe. And I could be wrong. And if I'm wrong, I'm gonna be mad. But I don't believe you'll find. I don't believe you'll see three other guys do what he did.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Especially now that the team is not constructed in the right way to even have a chance to win a championship.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Well, only time gonna tell. You think Wemby gonna take a little haircut for he.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hell, no. No, not the first. You can't do it on the first contract because. But here's the thing, though, Joe. Because when you look at it, and people, like, look at Tom. Look at Tom. Y' all do realize Tom Brady got a contract that's worth more now with Fox than he made in the NFL. Now, how many of these guys, once they leave the game, gonna have a job that pays them more than they made in the league and work that many.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Exactly.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So he ain't. He ain't touching now. That's just. With his Fox money, he got other things going on. I think he's a part of Noble now. He's a part of, you know, he got supplement companies. And he's part of fanatics. He's a part of a lot of things. So everybody's not going to be able to make. Obviously, you got your money, you invested your money, you'd still be able to make money. But Tom Brady ain't got to touch it. He's still. He's still going to be able to invest money. Tom probably making off the field probably 50, 60 million dollars a year. There are not very many guys that's gonna be that. That can leave a sport and make more money once they leave the sport than they made when they was in the sport. That's. You get. You get. Think about it. You get Tony Romo, you get Troy Aikman, you get a Collinsworth, you get a Brady. But everybody ain't getting them jobs like that, guys. Y' all know that I'm not breaking news to you. And I just don't. I just don't believe 113 million dollar haircut

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

man. Please. And. And mind you, if you take 113 million dollar haircut, the chances you.

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

The chances of being able to make that back up 10, 15.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You might can make that up, Joe. 113.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You can't make that up.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Listen, you see what it. You got him the championship. I'm saying you got to be a little different now. Hey, hey, hey, hey. It don't sound like. It don't sound like neither one of us would take a damn haircut to. I know. Damn.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, I didn't say I wouldn't. You what you mean neither one of us? You see, like, you know you ain't.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And I know oj.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, hell no.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It depend on the situation.

[Tab Ramos]

Please.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Not in my prime.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But I ain't giving none of mine away.

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, that situation matters, boy.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I don't know if I've ever heard somebody talk more after they traded a player than what the the what the Celtics are doing by J JB Jaylen Brown, but let's take a look. Celtic GM Brad Stevenson spoke about the decision to trade Jaylen Brown. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

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I, I, I, I lost sleep over the the fan part of this. I get it. Like there's a bunch of seven jerseys around. I'm pretty sure I bought a couple, so I get it. And the unbelievable way we've played in the regular season in the last couple years, you know, the path looked a little bit more challenging to me. I might be wrong. I'm not going to stand up here and be defensive about that. But the path looked a little bit more challenging with 70% of our cap and such a high percent of our usage tied into two players. And the reality in this era and in this day and age of the NBA, and you could see it obviously with, with the last couple of champions and some of the teams that were at the very top of the league when it was all said and done at the end of this year, is that, you know, you have to do a great job and you have to have the optionality to do a great job of building out depth that can hopefully replace the irreplaceable individual.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So let me get this right. I'm going to make sure for context. He said one of the reasons many,

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

and this could be the only reason,

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

but I think there are a lot of two things, three things, four things could be true. He said one of the reasons that he didn't want to have guys with high usage rate, two guys with high usage rate and taking up 70% of the cap. Now, mind you, you were trying to trade for giannis, who wanted 35% of your cap, which would have been two guys again having half the cap and another guy that has an extremely high usage rate. It might be higher than both JB and JT's. So you were looking to bring him on and that wasn't gonna be no issue. The issue seems to be Giannis wanted three years, you seem to be only go to two. But the mere fact you was willing to bring somebody on to eat up 30% of your cap. So now you're back to 70%. Two guys and somebody with a high usage rate. I'm not so sure, Chad. I didn't look at this and I apologize. But as look this up, let's see where Yanni's usage rates is compared to JB and JT's.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It's probably higher.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm confused, Joe.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It's for sure higher. His usage rate is for sure higher. Look, man, I think we all figured that, you know, they didn't want to pay two guys, hell, the bulk of the money. And you wanted to be able to have some. Yeah, you wanted to have some flexibility and options to where you could build out your team. And I just think. I thought JB made it easier for him. I think they've been wanting to get. Get rid of Uncle Ocho.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And the timing. I'm not even saying the timing was right considering really what you got, but you knew you had to get off of him. You know, considering the fact that he about to get ready to come up on another contract.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You was gonna have to pay you, right? If they got Yanis here, you was gonna have to pay him too. You still were gonna be paying two guys. Cause he wasn't gonna take no damn haircut. And that's basically what Brad Stevens said, you know. Basically. Hell, we hope, you know, that some guys take haircuts, you know, to where you can build out a roster, to where you can have depth and you can have a championship. Calibati.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I hope we find a Jay. We hope we find a Jalen Brunson.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Absolutely. Absolutely not. Hey, they need Aiden.

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They need to hurt him. Wrap this up now.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What you mean Celtics?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

There's nothing else to talk about. There should be no more Jalen Brown conversation.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They, they.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They were. Ocho, he had to get on here. He had to. He had to respond. Because there's a lot of questions, you know, about this trade, but I don't

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

want to be a continuing dialogue that's going. That's going to carry all goddamn well.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

If you. Hey, hey, if you go, hey, if you gonna keep it real, keep it 100 and gonna get it out the way and say, say what you really feel instead of. You don't have to keep building up on top of these different, you know. Hey, come on now. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. I Wish we had GMs or owners that. That weren't PC and they just said it like it is. They say the things they say behind closed doors. Just say them and say them publicly when there's a Camera in your face.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They not going. They. That's never gonna happen. They're not gonna happen this year.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Luca was number one at usage at 38. And then JB and then Kawhi, Shea, Bronson, Donovan, Mitchell, Victor. Women. Yama, James harden, Stefan Castle, De' Aaron Fox.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Damn. Hold up. JB. Second on the list.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, second this year. Now, mind you, Giannis only played 36 games.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Okay, but hell, for JB to be second, that's high.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Barry and Tatum only played, what, 19 games?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So let's go back. Let's go back. So when.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You know what that really mean, though, Uncle Ocho, you know, JB ain't taking no damn backseat to nobody when we start the season. Okay? I was just in mvp. I was just in the MVP running.

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hear me, six or seven day MVP race. So I'm. I'm trying to build on what I've already, you know, started.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You feel me?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on now. Hold on, hold on. It's gonna be a little conflict now.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Correct me now, I ain't gonna be no conflict.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm wrong. This is. I could have swore the Sixers gave Tyrese Maxey the keys.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, no, no. You talking about. I was saying if he was back in Boston. But I understand what you saying, him being in Philly. No, no, no, listen, check me out. With him being in Philly, I'm not saying he gotta take a back seat. Cause I think. I think his leadership on the defensive end is gonna outweigh all that. You know what I mean? Because he gonna take the challenge every game. The guard probably the best player. And to go out and give him hell on offense, too. So. I think he in a great situation in Philly, bro. I mean, how many games you think Embiid gonna play?

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Keep it 100.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You know, listen, maybe Jaylen Brown going there might motivate him a little bit to do some different things this offseason. So, listen, I want to make sure I'm available for my team. I want to give the Philadelphia Sixers, not just my team, but the fans, something they never seen. A different side of me, a different version of me.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hold on, hold on. I just told you the other day. I said if I'm. Brian, I'm on the phone. Amb. Hey, what you got going? Yeah, look, check this out. I got a few teams.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They say he's listening and taking the Sixers sales pitch very, very seriously. Yeah, I don't know if that's or not, but I was just. What I people like what you looking at? I'm looking at 24, 25. When everybody was healthy in the regular season, Giannis was the top in usage a tick under 35%. Guess who number five was? Oh, Jason Tatum. Jalen Brown was all the way down at 16. So we're not surprised that Jason. Jaylen Brown went up because JT went out.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Right, Right.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's only natural.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So in other words, he was, he sacrificed the guy that when he was on the same team as Jason, Jason Tatum, he was number 18, number 16 in usage, and the guy he wanted to replace him with was number one. So usage really ain't really have a whole lot to do with it, because if you would have gave that third year, y' all just would have signed off and you'd have had a guy that the year before had the highest usage rate in all the NBA. Because bringing him on a team with a guy that had the fifth highest usage rate in all the NBA.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, hey, this, this, this was his second option, fellas. You know, hey, this wasn't his first go round. This was the second one.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No, I don't think so, Ash. Actually, you think I'm looking at. With this.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hold on.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

This guy. 2425. The highest usage rate. 2425 at 34.9. And SGA was he played 60, But on. But was this, hold on, was this 2425? No, Giannis only. Giannis didn't play enough to get qualified, did he? He qualified with 36 games. I went back, I went back 24, 25. Okay, so as, so Ash said, and the red. So this year, Giannis Luca was one, Giannis was two, Jalen Brown was three. But we understand why Jalen Brown is so high, because Jason Tatum has been removed. You would expect a guy that was 16 one year and the guy that was 5. You take the guy that's 5 off. That's how Jason. That's why JB's numbers went up. Yeah, he had the ball more in his hand, Joe.

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. I mean, that was expected, though. That was expected.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yes.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So if he'd have kept that same usage rate, you think y' all got the number two seed, Y' all might not even made the playoffs.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Right? Absolutely. Right.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Look, I, I, Look, I, I think there are a lot of, I think there are a lot of moving parts, and nobody's gonna ever say the real reason. I think it was some of JB's outspokenness. JB felt they never gave him the credit that he deserved, and he Said it. I use that to motivate me. Yeah, it was the contract. Three years, and now he's due. Excuse me. Now he's due another extension. Man, ain't no sense in me lying. I'm not gonna do it. The Celtics weren't gonna do it.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hold on. But if you. Philly gonna give him a new contract.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They have to do something.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Joe, if you traded for him, you got to. You gotta give him.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You got to. Because the last thing I want, bro, I gave up two first round. I gave up two unprotected first round picks.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, but JB gonna give you good money over the next, you know, three to six years, he gonna be.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I. I don't know what he gonna give you, but you got to give him that money because what you gave up to get him, you got. No, you got to.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That means.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What I'm saying is he throw that.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Huh?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Well, look, Embiid. Embiid contract just start. If I'm not mistaken, Joe, I think it just starts this year. That three year 190. I think that just kicks in this year.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Philly got some work to do, you know, because you gonna have to pay him. I mean, hell, you traded for him, and I think he's a great asset. He gonna help today. Ain't like it. Ain't like he gonna be a liability. You feel me? He gonna be pretty good, bro. He gonna help. He gonna help the Six.

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

When you speak. When you say help the Sixes, you think he gonna take a. He gonna take a haircut, too?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Who? Oh, hey, maybe. No, no.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

He already got his big. He already got his big deal. Why wouldn't you. Why we.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I want another one.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Why wouldn't you want to help Big your team to try to rent out.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No, that ain't my job. Yeah, because guess what? I ain't part of ownership. I'll let y' all build that. Yeah, I'm trying to build. I'm trying to build my team, which I'm the CEO of.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, hey. It's my go around. Hey, hey, hey. I just had a big main course meal. Now I'm going back for a little dessert. You hear me? Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Cause guess what? Now just imagine. Just imagine, Ocho. You gave them a deal, and they trade you. Now, how you feeling, Joe? Ocho.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, somebody, you gonna feel some type of way.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You'd have left 100, plus me. Because they say Brunson left allegedly 113 million. Now you leave. Now, these contracts, you leave 130 you leave 150 million and they trade you.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, they had to see me.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm just saying.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

it is what it is, fellas.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But Jason Tatum opened up about the Celtics trading away Jalen Brown. To be honest, it's weird. It's weird. You play on the same team with a guy for nine years. I was fortunate enough to go to the finals with him twice and to win a championship and push each other to be the players that we are today. But it just makes you appreciate the moment and the time that we had. Yeah, they don't. They don't allow you. They don't allow you to get comfortable. Just when you think, like, you know what, hey, man, this could be something that we can build. You just hope we draft two guys that high. I think if I'm not mistaken, Joe, both of them was third picks and consecutive drafts overall picks in the consecutive draft. And you say, you know what? Hey, exactly what we thought that would be. And then I guess they say that's true. Joe and Ocho. Money ruins everything.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

We had a good thing going, buddy.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Ruined. Well, when you make too much of a yes.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. Because you got a question.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You think. You think JB making more than the Celtics?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So they want to make all of me.

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I get you me.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I get you me. And then you. Did you talk about get up something back, man, please. I'm trying to get a billionaire.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hello.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

How much? The guy that owns this is a venture capitalist. They got a chisholm. I think he's the front man. He's a billionaire, but he ain't like the venture capital. So you got billionaires probably worth 3, 5, 10, maybe 20 billion. Hey, I'm a hundred millionaire, which is good, but I'm trying to get. I'm trying to get to be in front of my name.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hello. Hey, hey, hey. Cause this ball only gonna have some air in it for so long.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

we could be the first, first, first podcast man to be billionaires. But what you think about that?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, hey, now you talking, boy. Now you're talking.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, we got. We got some people. We got a leapfrog Joe Ocho.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Okay? It ain't no heaven. It can happen. It can happen.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

We gotta stop. We gotta start getting a little crazy now. I'm telling you.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What you mean?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I mean, you Know, doing. Doing some. Doing some other things outside of just on here. No, outdoor. You know, exciting stuff. Things that no one else is touching. You know, they didn't. They're not doing.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Okay, we're gonna do it.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah,

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Joe was trying to ask. Joe was trying to answer. What you talking about? Like, you try to.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Nah, I ain't saying all that. I ain't saying. I'm not. I ain't saying all that. I'm just asking the question because I don't never know where the conversation can go. That's why I had to get clarity. I'm like, man, let the conversation go.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Matter of fact, hey, hey, Joe, since y' all on the topic, right? Hey, y' all got. Y' all gotta get you some of these.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What's that?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You read that?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

A cockrocket.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You gotta get you.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What's a cockroach? What's a cock rocket?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Well, it's like. It's like cool candy boy. You remember back in the day, you would pop rocks? You put the Pop Rocks in your mouth? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So it go around your johnson.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah. You could do it that way or you could do it the other way. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. You got to try that.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What other way?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What'd you say?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm gonna let that go.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Let y' all have that one. I was about to go somewhere. I don't really know. Rocks. The pop. You know, because, I mean, you do what you supposed to do.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I got you. I got you, Pop.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Golden weed.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What is that? What's that?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Little nipple rings.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

what you mean? You saying for her? I need to get them for her?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

of these two people, man. That Joe got a bubble.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Talking about for the girl. For the girl.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You. Joe,

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

come on, man. How you log off? How you like? Okay, I got. I gotta go outside. Hey, I'm not. For real. No, I ain't. I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna keep. How you. How you turn the thing off? Ass. Jordan, I'm sorry. I, I, I. It's just too much going on. Yeah, the night captain kept me the hell out. I. I'm out.

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I can't do it no more. I'm gone. Hell, no. Now I gotta go. I gotta go outside, man.

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[CarMax Announcer]

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I gotta go.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

This man gonna go on here. Oh, we go. We can't. We can't keep putting up with this man. For real. This man gonna have to get violation, red card, something. His ass got to be suspended for a show or something. We can't keep letting that man get on here and do all this, man. Hell no. Come on, man.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I gotta go.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, I got it. I can't. Nah, nah, for real.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I was feeling bad. Let me tell you something. I don't mean to. I don't mean to be playing around, right? But I was sad after. After USA lost. After USA lost, I went to Spencer's. I went and got some toys, man. Try to, you know, try some stuff, you know, Maybe, you know, Trying to.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Trying make myself feel a little better about Belgium beating us. And. I mean, I tried it. I tried it, Joe, and I just. I just thought, you know, you would be one to explore and want to do something different. Joe.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But how you figure me out, of all people? Hell, ask somebody else in chat.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No, no, he don't. No, he don't. No, he don't.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, you. You plug these up, boy, like a jumbo cable, boy. You hear me? Hey, yo. Hey,

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

hey, yo. It's gonna start somebody. It ain't a man.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Try it.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Some people. But some people have what they call as a. Is a kink, right?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

See, I ain't. No, I ain't no kinky. I ain't no kinky dude. I'm gonna keep it real.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm trying to get. I'm trying to get you to try some new.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It's words. Some people. Some is words. She can say something. You can say something. Yeah, some. It's. It's. It's. It's touching. It's certain things that'll get you to go pop. Go down.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand. I dig it. I dig it.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Ocho is trying to get you to.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Right.

[CarMax Announcer]

Yes.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hold on. Why is it Ultra trying to get me? I thought he was showing all of us Chat.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Chat.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And he's showing you. Hey. What?

[Orderly Meds Announcer]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You mean just me? He tried to get me to expand my horizon. I already told y', all, we cool on me.

[CarMax Announcer]

We good.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

We good.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Joe, at least try the Cock Rockets. Joe, at least try that.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

The Cock Rocket.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You hear me?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Okay, okay. At least try to butt plug with the little heart, Joe.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Come out for her. Put it. Put it on.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Put it on her way y' all can. Y' all can exchange either way.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Come on, man. See, that what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

With the heart on it.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, Joe, man, off the chain.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They got him to light up. They got him to light up.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, yeah, Joe, I'm good.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I don't know why you standing there telling me what they got lighting up and all this.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm good.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Like, I will. You know what I mean? Like, what's up, man?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, hey, try to. Try to tape, too.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What the.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What the tape go. Oo you.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You could tie up like this or

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

tie her time either behind or in front.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It depend.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It depend on right.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You know how you want sometimes kind of like.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Kind of like hog ties do it. Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

The cuff, you got to be. Yeah, you got to be. But she got to be, you know, she can't. She got to have, like, really loose shoulders because, you know, to be, like, in this position, the wrong position like that.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. And to be able to end up. To be in that position and have to, you know, toot that thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So that's why. That's. That's. That's why you have to be careful. You know, police, they have to get you up really quick because the. The chest goes up and down. Yeah, well, if you own your chest, it ain't nowhere to go.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So she got to be real loose and. And amenable to something like that.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Like.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Like Luke say, face down, it's up. That's the way we got the check, y'.

[Orderly Meds Announcer]

All.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You see, now, see, that's what I'm talking about. I've been trying to tell y', all, I'm in the three spot,

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

boy. Chad got you far from three, partner. I'll just tell you that right now, just in case you didn't know. Chad got you far from three, but I.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Three. Oh, Joe, you know it. Joe. One. You two.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You know how we talk about The Celtics, the 1A and 1B?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum. Hell, that's you on your and 1B.

[CarMax Announcer]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What I got to do with this?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. Man, just pull out butt plugs and jumping cables and hook up on your nipples. Come on, man. Talk about what. What I got to do with this?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm just trying. I'm just Trying to expand your horizon, Joe, that's all.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

My horizons are expanded. We good, bro?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Listen, I'm. Listen, I'm that, Joe. You alive, but you're not living, Joe. I'm just trying to help you spice up your love life, Joe. That's all. That's all. Hey, get you some of them, though, boy. Hey, tell the wife when you put these on, tell her, put some ice. Take some ice. Put the ice on there, too, Joe. Touch. Numb the pain.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, Joe get put out, man. He right around the corner from the crib.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

This is.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Look, and I think. I think the thing. I know it's back to Jason Tatum. I. I think, like I said, he's in a different stage of his life, and I think both guys are very level headed.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But I think JT has a serious lady. He got two kids and he. Boom, he focused on that. JB is a very serious young man. There's more important. There are things as important or more important to him than basketball. He's just not a basketball player. He's a very conscientious brother. He sees the plight. He sees what's going on around him, and he wants to change that. I don't see what, as a. As a. As a organization, Boston like, bro, we just want somebody to just focus on basketball.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. Hey, hey. JB gonna be in the White House one day here. Yeah, he. Yeah, he locked in.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, he's a very conscientious brother. And. And I hated jt. They had to break y' all up, bro. But, hey, it was just. It was inevitable because JT Pretty soon, he gonna be a two year JT Gonna be for a contract extension. His contract gonna be five.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Five. This probably. Hey, hey. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey. This probably the most pressure, JP probably the most pressured J season JT is gonna have in a while, you know? Cause, hell, they.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They went out as a two seed last year, man.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Correct.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So, you know, they. When they got some help, they added some good additions. I like Big Mitchell Robinson, you know, I like Paul George if he can, you know, give him a greater number of games. But, man, JT Got to come through.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Joki says I'm holding off. I'm gonna sign next year. The next year extension for Jokic. Five years, 359.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You don't think he gonna take it,

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

or he can take 278. He says I hold off and I do the five. So guess what? In two years with J.T. so if he get five for 359, what is it gonna be? Two years from there.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, that gonna be baseball numbers.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, you think five? It's gonna be five for 400.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You're gonna take a. You're gonna take a haircut. All these players don't want to build a team, a championship caliber team, but want to get as much money.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I already built one. I built one.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They did win one already. Okay, you're right.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Because here's the thing, Ocho, this is what we know. Give somebody something for free, they'll never want to pay you for it. There's a reason why the risk card in the four season. The hotels, like chains, establishments like that don't give discounts. That's for Ferraris. Don't come with a discount. Because once you give somebody one, what they want, man. Ocho, hooky boy. Come on, you can do it. Come on now, Ocho. Come on now. So. No, no, don't start that. Don't start it, and then you'll be fine. According to Sean's, LeBron is taking the Sixers very seriously after they got Jalen Brown. When I talk to teams now, I have a hierarchy of Cleveland, Miami, Philadelphia, and then some teams on the Peripheral. Joe, Brian, the Sixers. You like that?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah, I like it. I told y', all, there's a few places I like to see Braun, you know, I wouldn't mind seeing them. Yeah, Ocho, I get it. You know, the Miami thing is cute, sexy and all that. Why? Ain't gonna lie. I probably had to make me a few trip down south beach again. You hear me? If he go back to South Beach,

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Ocho, he ain't gonna do it. Ocho

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

don't show up, boy. I'm with you when you're right, bro.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

All right, Chad, I'm talking to y'.

[CarMax Announcer]

All.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Chad, Chad, check this out. But him going to Philly, but him going to playing with them young Thundercats over there, I think he'll be just what the doctor ordered, you know what I mean? I think he'll be able to facilitate some things. You know, he'll keep them young boys under control. And I, like I tell y', all, I'll be on the phone with Embiid. I just need to know what it looked like, partner, before I sign on dotted line. But then again, going home, you know, playing in Cleveland, they already got everything in place. Scores, rebounders, defenders, not perimeter defenders. Other than that is home.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And I can retire where it started. Like Dorothy said in the wizard of Oz, there's no place like home. There's no place like home to Me, Cleveland makes the least amount of sense to me.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

With Harden and Mitchell.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That makes the least amount of sense to me. In all basketball, the teams that make the most sense, Miami, because he can run the point, and the warriors, those make the most sense. Because why Joe? He can have the ball in his hands. Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But I just don't think the warriors thing gonna happen because I think he. I think, obviously, with the AD Thing, I don't think Washington letting AD go. Okay, Ocho.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So I don't think rumor today, what, him going to Cleveland, they would trade. They would trade what, A first round pick, Jared Allen and somebody else for Anthony Davis to come to Cleveland.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

If they do that, then they mean they got the okay that Braun coming home. If that happens before Braun commit, y' all better know he coming home.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You know, it all sound good,

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

but I'm. Hey, listen, listen, Ocho, I'm with you. I ain't gonna lie. I like the Miami thing, bro. I think. I think he'll have more ball handling duties in Miami than he will in Cleveland, you know what I mean? And, man, to have Bam and Yanis right next to you running that break,

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

doing all the heavy. All the heavy lifting, all the dirty work defensively, huh?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

In the East. Hey, in the Eastern Conference, too.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hello. Huh? Make it easy. Why would I go to go.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I know, I know. Uncle don't want to hear that. Because he want to go to Golden State, hang out with E40 and all them.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Really. I ain't really. I ain't really never spend no time in the Bay. I mean, I go down, Ocho, I'll see you down.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'll let you, boy. I'll let you, boy. I'll let you, boy.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's where you think he going?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's what.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No, I'm just saying. I'd say. Look, I'm. Because I. I think, you know, potentially, this is his last year. He'll know then everybody knows. This is closer to the end than the beginning. I've got to see him. No matter where he goes, I got to see him at least once.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, will you get ready? You get ready to come on down to Miami, huh? I got. I got it. Listen, you can. You can stay with me, but I got a spot. I got a little place right here on the west wing. Good for you.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You already said he can't bring no hostage with him, so he ain't coming up in here.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, no, no, sir. Hey, like, my grandma ran a tight ship, boy. I run a tight ship.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. Say, ain't nobody gonna be getting no sushi in there but you.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's it.

[CarMax Announcer]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[CarMax Announcer]

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yes, sir.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

The Lakers rolled out an elaborate pitch meeting for Officer Rees, featuring customized pillows, blankets, stakes, and his favorite country music to get him to sign, per Ramona Shelburne. Meanwhile, the franchise never offered a vision, a face to face meeting, or a formal offer to LeBron before he decided to leave.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Listen, man, it ran his course, man. They. Hey, hey, they love Braun, but they was ready to move on Uncle Ocho. Yes. Hell, when you hear those reports. Look, Luke already vouched for Ar. Hey, look, man, I don't want to pay.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

He wasn't going to. He. He wasn't going nowhere after he vouched for it.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Even if that meant getting Giannis. He said no.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, they gonna roll the red carpet out for him. Yeah, yeah. Hey, just more fuel to the fire for the king, man, for him to come back and, you know, put all that. Put all that riff raff to bed. Yeah, he just need. He just need a little more fuel. That's it.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, I mean, look, obviously the Lakers had the upper hand. You know how when you get the upper hand, you want some things? I mean, it's just like a job when you have the upper hand. Hey, you're touted, they want you. You ask for some things. You put some things in your contract. So it's a pitch where they try to say, we really want you. We understand that LeBron did not have the leverage at 42 that he had at 32, that he had at 35. We understand that. It happened. I'm not mad at the Lakers. Hey, listen, it was. It was obvious. This is. This is what they wanted. The mere fact that when they got Luca, that was it.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, but think about it, though. What if Braun really won? What if he really didn't want to go back to la for real. When you.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

When.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

When. I'm saying, if you, LeBron, and you really assess the team right, and you really look at, you know, what you was able to accomplish in this postseason, what? Pretty much without Luka Ar. And you, like, man, listen, here. Even if they was healthy, hell, we still got some work to do. You feel what I'm saying? Considering that on the perimeter side here, we can't defend, you know, at a high level to be a championship caliber team. What if he understood all that? Uncle Ocho was like, you know what? I'm gonna just. I got a few teams in mind already. I'm gonna kind of see what happens. Cause I really still believe if the Knicks didn't win, I think he would have went to New York, bro.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And it would have been. I mean, it would have been. I mean, look, it's New York. But I'm not. I'm not surprised by this, Ocho. I mean, like, when new free agents, when they're trying to get a free agent to sign, he's on your own team, or they're trying to bring in a free agent, they roll out the red carpet.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hello.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And the guys that they don't want to be signed back, but they don't roll out no red carpet.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They don't even call your ass.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

This is not new, I promise you. And plus, what type of red carpet are you gonna rule out for Brian? Brian done had it all. He may have been in the league 23 years.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Had it all. He's seen it all.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

He got the pitch. He got the pitch from Miami to go to Miami. He got the pitch from Cleveland to come back to Cleveland. I mean, he didn't really. I mean, Magic didn't have to do anything to him. Magic just Rich Paul, and Magic went to Rich Paul and Braun and hey, like, what you got? That's it.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I just. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not surprised by this. I'm not upset by this. I mean, there was the right thing to do once. Luca vouched for ar, and rightfully so. AR has gotten better and better and better. Before he got hurt, he's averaging 28 points. He averaged 23 points on the regular season. He's a phenomenal offensive player that they're just challenged defensively.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. Hey, look, I'm glad ar got paid, but boy, listen, that. That damn 45. What do you make?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What are you gonna be making? Yeah, he got what, four years, 180 something.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's good. That's good for him.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

180. So 45 a year.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, it's great for him. I'm just saying expectations come with that damn 45.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What's going to change? Change? What's gonna change? Especially for someone who wasn't making nothing.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

He wasn't Even drafted because they didn't have the expectations. When you didn't make nothing, your expectation changed when you became one of the highest paid.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, hey.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They expect 100 yards a game. Yeah, yeah, every game.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, listen, and check this out. And check this out. If I'm the opponent now, okay, damn, I'm going to 45 million dollar dude. Hell if I shut his ass down. What they say about me?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You feel me, Joe?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I like what you think of Joe.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, that's. Hey, people gonna compete a little harder against you now, bro. That's what it is. You're gonna be at top of the damn scout report now. Yeah, AR Yeah, don't give no space. Make him a driver.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, about it. Awesome. Reeves will put your ass in the blender. Now.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I know I'm rooting for him. I'm rooting for him. I know that.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's your homeboy. He from Arkansas.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, yeah, I'm rooting for him now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, Joe Kelly, come on the show, man. Holla at your boy, man.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, I bet I'm gonna hit him. I'm hitting.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, I got your question though, Joe.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What's the question?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You think that ain't gonna beat me one on one?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, here, sir, you wouldn't even score here. Hey, hey, don't get it twisted. That white boy can play, man. I know. I know what you're thinking. I know what you're thinking. You know, we have a tendency not to give him a lot of respect

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

sometime, but that white boy can play everybody, Joe.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But I'm just asking. I just want to see what your answer would be as my co host, to see if you had any faith in me. But okay, I got you, Joe.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Well, I gotta keep it 100. I. You know, I. I don't know no other way. Oh, I'm gonna keep it 100 with you. You know me.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Okay, I appreciate that.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

The Lakers are offering Jonathan Kaminga a starting role in their free agent pitch, per Anthony Slater, Los Angeles projected starting lineup if Kaminga signs Luca. AR Kaminga, Sandro Mama, Keyless Village, Billy and Walker Kessler.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What, you don't like that, huh? Who gonna defend Kaminga, huh? Gonna be a two way guy. You know, his thought process is gonna be a little different. Yeah, you say damn, Joe. He ain't want to play side next to Steph. Hey, listen, man, when you've been through a few, few situations and you kind of know and understand the peg and order, hey, you better get your ass in line and figure out what it is you can do and figure it out and figure out what it is you can do or bring to the team that can make us better. They don't have defenders, okay, Ocho? They need a guy who can sit in that chair.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What about Sandro? What he gonna do?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Man, I don't.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You're a shooter.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Who the hell is that? I don't even know who that is.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They got. He got him off Toronto and he didn't shoot. He didn't shoot as good as Rui. And what they paid him, they paid him more than what they was offering Rui.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, I ain't got no rhyme or reason to what what the Lakers doing. Lakers trying to build out them a nice little roster. A little bit of. A little bit of. Everybody can contribute to some degree. Hell, they ain't trying to be caught up like Boston. They glad ar then he gave him a little haircut.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

He did. He could have got. He could have got a five year like two something 239.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Dang.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

So hey, man, maybe the Lakers trending in the right direction. We got to get the Lakers a chance. I know they look like a foreigner team over there, but hey, we got to see what it's going to do.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

We definitely go see

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

like a Fred House, you know, with a little color sprinkled in there.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

A judge denies Terry Rogier's request to modify his bail conditions. Terry, Roger wants to play in the NBA. While the fight. While he fights, sports gambling charges that sideline him last season. Bail conditions that bar him from contact with certain players and limit his travel could complicate the potential return. U.S. judge LaShawn DRC hall on Wednesday denies the defense request to modify Roger bail condition so he can practice and play with potential witnesses. As long as they don't talk about the case. The judge said it would be impossible to police Rozier's own court conversation. She admonished Rozier for already violating the non contact provision of his $3 million bond by sending text messages to a person to which he's told not to communicate with. Rozier was contacting the person to tell them that he was on the non contact list. The RC hall said. What tell what. What that tells me is that he believes he knows better than the court, hall said at the hearing in Brooklyn's federal court. Rozier said rosier, she said, violated the court's trust with that text message. Joe, what team is gonna pick you up? Bro, Bro. Yo, it's over.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, it's a rap.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It's over.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They gonna Trust you. Hey, as good as.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

As a player that. That he is. Malik Beasley is Terry Rogiers. It's just hard to see a team taking a chance on an Uncle Ocho.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What do you mean hard to see, Joe?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It's hard. It's hard.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It's a PR nightmare. They not dealing with that.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's what they don't want, bro. They had to answer that. They had to answer that every day. And then don't let you have a bad game. You're gonna have to read between the lines on the question they asked.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Every turnover. Yeah. Every loose ball that he doesn't get. Now, now, I question everything, and that's not how it should be. I should be able to watch the game in which Terry Rozier or Malik Beasley plays and have no. No thought come across my mind. Maybe missed that shot on purpose. Man, why he didn't get that rebound? Man, why he dribble the ball off his foot? I shouldn't have to watch a game like that. And, bro, you know you're not supposed to. And. And. And the. So, because guess what happened. That person that you contact, they told. Yeah, they told.

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[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I ain't gonna go.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, bro, I'm not. I'm trying to get up out of this. You trying to get me in some stuff. You trying to a. Bro, I'm already in water, deep water. And you turn the hose on and put more water in the ocean. I'm trying to get up out of this. Hey, I don't know. Before you go. I don't know who he talked to, but they told.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's no difference in the source be kid from. You know, in college football, bro. Yeah, Texas Tech.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No, it's gonna be hard.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, man, nobody. Nobody even gonna probably give you a shot, bro. Think about it. If y' all was a GM or owner of a team, man, you don't want that on your team, bro.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm sorry if it was a nice. If it was a situation a couple of times. 9,000. Do they know how many? 9,000. Just start counting. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. That's a lot of bets. Then go to 20. Now go to 100. Bets. Now go to a thousand bits. Now go to 9,000. I just don't know how you trust that. I don't. Now, he might go to counseling, and he might go. And. But because here's the thing. You might be able to say that, you know what? I'm done with this. I'm not Gonna do it anymore. The problem that you run into is to convince teams and owners and general managers. You heard Todd Monkin, the man bet on the game. Like, I don't know. If you want your franchise quarterback, that's what you want from him. No, that's the thing, though. I mean, and he got a three million dollar bond and he had. Because they'll tell you who you can and can't communicate with, Right?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hold on. How long he been locked up? No, he out.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

He on bond.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, he on bond.

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

3 million, which is normally a 10%. Now, they might have made it put. They might have made it put property up or something like that. But normally, I mean, sometimes they'll make. They'll give the a. They might make you have a 3 million cash bond, but I'm assuming this is 10. This is 10% of that, which is 300,000. Especially they think you're a flight risk. They're beh. They take. But they gonna take your passport and they'll put a GPS monitor on you. They really think you're a flight risk. They really. They really. Hey, 100 million, 200 million, 300 million dollar bond.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They make you reflect, bro.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Got to like, damn this.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They try to put it, especially if they. They really concerned about you knowing that you probably can't come up with it. And then it's like, nah, they put your ass on home. They put your ass on house arrest, home confinement. You can't leave. But I don't know, bro. You know, your agent, your attorney has already told you, but you got, you got, you got the affidavit. You already see the complaint.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And a part of your. Part of the stipulation is you cannot have communication with. I can't talk to Joe. I can't talk to Ocho, I can't talk to Jordan. I can't talk to Ash, even through an intermediary. Well, I didn't know I could. I, I ain't talked to him directly. Yeah, but you sent word through somebody else. That's the same thing, bro.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I, I.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Good luck. I wish you the best, bro, but I just don't see our team gonna touch you or Malik moving forward.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Nah, I mean, you. You know, they not. And simply as great as he is, obviously having this, you know, overshadowing over your head, teams don't want to deal with the PR nightmare.

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[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's. That's. That's all. That's all it comes down to. This is an absolute PR nightmare.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Of course, because like you said, Jalo like we talking about you watching the game, and he turned the ball over. Tell me, what's the first thing that will go through your mind? He miss a wide open layup, he miss a wide open shot. What's going through your mind, Joe?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, you filed it.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You found that man in a situation. Like, bro, why you.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, he had. Had to come back and be damn near perfect from the field.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Joe, it would. Because you think about it, when you go back, and when they went back and they played some of the clips that he did, they talking about he's gonna miss part of the game. You see the man make a shot, run down the court, then all of a sudden he grab his ankle like, oh, damn.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Or you get a situation. And Joe, we talked about it. When K. Cunningham passed that ball to Malik Beasley and the ball went right through his hand, right?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Now you looking. Hey, make you think he get the ball? The line was seven and a half, they up nine. He get the ball, race down the court, dunk it. Now you win by seven.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Everything go get called into question. It's just. It's just tough that. And we've seen the NBA, we've seen mlb, we've seen the NFL forgive a lot, but, boy, when you start gambling. Art Sleaster. Now, there have been situations, but this was way back. You look at a. Paul Horning had a situation. There was a defensive lineman. He was the father on Webster. He had a situation. They got suspended for a year. Who else? I think it was like three guys.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Horning.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I forget, I. Chad, I forget. I forget the guy. But he was the father on Webster, but he was a defensive lineman for the Detroit Lions. Chad, you can look it up. But I think it was three of them way back when, and they got suspended for a year. But I think now, Art Sleaster, they. They just say, you. You done. Cause they tried to give him grace. And he's just like, he couldn't. He couldn't. He couldn't help himself.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Ah,

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I don't know. I mean, that. That gambling, man, people just want to believe it. Because now even more than ever, because you see so many guys being involved in it, and I didn't understand. I mean, I'm looking at some of these guys and they doing these prop bets. I'm like, guys, you making millions and you trying to win hundreds. What that says that make it don't.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It don't make no sense at all.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But when you.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, but when you got all these different gambling spots, On Ocho to where you can bet on these games, man, you gotta figure.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Alex Karras, you gotta go ahead. Joe, you.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You gotta. You gotta figure some of these guys gonna indulge in it a little bit. You know, that's. I think that's just human nature. And that's why you see so many guys who've got caught up, whether it's collegiate, whether it's pros, hell, and it's just the people they caught. But, Joe, you know what I mean?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I'm making 30 million. I'm making 35 million. I can bet on baseball, I can bet on football, I can bet on tennis, I can bet on golf, I can bet on the World Cup. Just don't bet on your sport.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I can't make it make sense for you.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You heard me.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

What'd you say? Ojo?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You can't. You. Everything you just named, you can't control those outcomes. They're betting on situations where they can control the outcome.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yes.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And obviously most of the time. Hey, Uncle Joe, not only are they betting, I think sometimes they in positions where they don't want to bet anymore, but they in bed with the wrong people.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But hold on.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You bet one time, it's over.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hold on. But hold on, if you trying to control a game, Uncle Ocho, to where you win these bets, man, you can't have nobody betting no Damn. Hundred thousand, 200,000, ain't nobody. Hold on. After blue, we get these bets from. From Terry, Roger and Malik B. Come on, bro. They looking into that asap. Come on, man.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It's the prop. It's the prop bets. Consider. I mean, they, like you said, Joe, under a certain number of points, he like, oh, I'm gonna leave the game, so I'm be guaranteed I'm not gonna make. That's the way. One way to control it. Yeah, I just, I.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I think they got stuck, Joe. I think they got stuck.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

With all the money that you're making from basketball here, you can. You can go pay your damn debt off.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No, I'm. I'm saying I think they got stuck in bed with certain people that were gambling. And those people that they were gambling with, rely on them relying on them to do certain things to make sure they kept that money coming in for other people, not them.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I hate it for them dudes, bro. I'm talking about two cats who could play and could help a real contender. I hate that for them, bro.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, it was Paul Horning and Alex Karras. They were both suspended for, I think, a year. Alex Karris got a year and five other players. Along with Karris, was fined $2,000 for betting on the 1962 NFL championship game.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Damn.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

He was expending. Paul Horning, he was an MVP in 1961, was spending for the entire 63 season for betting on NFL games after he admitted to betting up to 500 on a game and associating with known gamblers.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, once they get you, they get you. They get you to bed. Once it's a wrap, that's it.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

It's a rap, right?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's all it takes. And, but like, you know, we were talking about, like, that's what I don't, you know, like, bet on other sports. I, I. For me, I just couldn't do that. To bet on, to basically bet against my team or knowing the hard work that I put in. Knowing the hard work that these other guys put in Ocho and Joe, and this is what I'm gonna do.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Look, sometimes, like I said, everything doesn't have to make sense. This doesn't make sense to me that, you know, you making 30. These guys weren't making no money. You see boxers, you know, everybody said boxing was the fix. Guys taking dives, Ocho, but it wasn't no money. Ocho, if you making 40, 50 million dollars. If I can't make 100 million, why am I even. Cause normally people bet. I bet 500 with the hopes of winning 5,000. 50,000. I'm not betting no millions, hoping to win hundreds or thousands. I make 30 million. Terror rose here making 30 million a year.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Damn.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

And you gonna go gamble on. You gonna go gamble on your game. You don't wanna bet football. You don't wanna bet baseball. You don't wanna bet hockey or World cup or soccer. They got soccer games going on all the time that you can bet on. You don't wanna bet on golf. You don't wanna bet on baseball. You wanna bet on the sport that you play.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You wanna control it.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You'll mess around and he'll send you somewhere where you can't control nothing.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, hello, hello, hello. Not even draws you put on.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I mean, can you imagine you making that kind of money? And then you go, what you, what you think they gonna say when he come in there? Now, he. He ain't gonna go to the big house. He'll go one of those, you know, little farmhouses, something like that. But what you think they gonna say? Go to Fayette. What you think they gonna say to him, bro, really?

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

You know what they're Gonna say, really, bro?

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

30 million, and you gonna bet? Props.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Hey, they in the feds. They can't say nothing in it because they. They asking that for a reason.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

But, Joe, which one of the ones you thinking they're making 30 million? I mean, you might find some of them guys that's gonna swindle some people out of some money. You know, them pyramid schemes and things like that, Embezzle some money. But. But that's what I don't get. That's what. But, yeah, they embezzling, hoping to take all the money. So I got a pyramid scheme, right? Bernie Madoff, billions.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Okay, I still don't understand how he did that, boy.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Because you give me 5,000, I give you 15, 000 in two weeks. What you gonna do next? Yeah, you're gonna bring me more money, right? Because I just gave you 10,000 in two weeks on the 5,000 that you get. So I gave you 15,000 back plus your 5,000. So guess what else you're gonna do now, man? God dang. You gonna bring me more money and more money. Because then I'm gonna take the money I got from Joe and pay you, and then I'm gonna take the money from somebody else and pay Joe. And guess what Joe gonna do? Bring me more money. That's how I work. That's our pyramid scheme work.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, but. But how you get to a billion.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Because he dealing with people that got billions.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, and they trusted him.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

The guy from the Mets, the owner, the guy that owned the Mets. All these people. Did you see all the famous people that he had money, that he had. Hell, he had billions.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, he playing with some heavy. Some heavy hitters, Ocho.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's. That's how pyramid scheme work. That's how they get you. You know what? Let me show you how good this thing is. Ocho give me 10,000. You give me 10,000 on Wednesday, and two weeks later, I shoot you your 10,000 back plus another 20.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Ocho said, God, hey, hey, let my grandma say, sometimes if it's too good to be true, it's too.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

No, no, no.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

There you go.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Here's the thing. He gave you the money back. You ain't looking at it as too good to be true now. Cause you got the money back. You might be thinking that at the time that somebody can give you a 20, a 30, 40% return on your money. But that's why you only gave him 10,000. So if you gave him 10,000, he give you 20,000 in two weeks, plus your 10,000 back. If I give him a hundred thousand. If I give him 500,000, what are you gonna give me, Joe? Oh, got him. Got him. I done set that hook now. Just don't let him off.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, that's some bad work, though.

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[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah, that. That's how the pyramid schemes work. And then after a while, guess what, man, Ocho, you know, hey, give me, give me one more week.

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

That's where the game started playing.

[Host 1 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yep.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Now. They ain't answering your calls now. You ain't heard from. Yeah,

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

I am. I'm gonna try that.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Try what?

[Host 2 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

Shoot. Hey, Joe, send me 10,000. I'm gonna get you 30 back.

[Host 3 (Possibly Joe or Ocho)]

They gonna, they. Hey, they gonna find you swimming with the fishes, homie.

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