Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Stefon Diggs Linked to Commanders + Megatron Record In Danger?

Summary

Nightcap - “Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Stefon Diggs Linked to Commanders + Megatron Record In Danger?”

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Guests: Deebo, Joe
Air Date: June 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

This “Nightcap” episode is an unfiltered, lively late-night NFL roundtable with legends Deebo and Joe weighing in on some of the game's most significant records and rumors. The discussion centers on the likelihood of Calvin Johnson's (“Megatron”) single-season receiving yard record being broken, famous NFL marks that may never be surpassed, and the possibility of Stefon Diggs joining his hometown Washington Commanders. The episode is filled with sharp analysis, veteran insights, and entertaining banter about the game’s biggest individual accomplishments, the realities of NFL careers, and what it takes to be both durable and dominant in pro football.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Is Calvin Johnson’s (Megatron’s) Single-Season Receiving Record in Danger?

• Background: Calvin Johnson set the record with 1,964 receiving yards in 16 games in 2012. Puka Nacua is seen as a potential successor.

• Stafford Effect: Both Deebo and Joe stress the significance of Matthew Stafford as the quarterback in breaking records for Johnson, Cooper Kupp, and potentially Puka Nacua.

• Health & Extra Games: The move from 16 to 17 (and potentially to 18) games is a key factor that could eventually lead to the record being broken.

• Quote (Joe, 04:20):

  “If Matthew Stafford is the quarterback, he gave Megatron the single season record in 2012... He knows matchups. If you leave [Puka] in single coverage, he likes his guy and he's going to give him chances.”

• Quote (Deebo, 06:00):

  “You got more games. Instead of 16 games, you got 17 games...And it's about to be 18 games, bro...They're gonna knock off one of the preseason games.”

• Other Possible Record Breakers:
  Joe and Deebo name Ja’Marr Chase, JSN (Jaxon Smith-Njigba), Justin Jefferson among players with the tools to threaten the record, but they stress that everything must “line up”—health, quarterback play, offensive style.

  • Quote (Joe, 08:00):

    “You gotta have a quarterback and you gotta have a dog receiver... Everything gotta line up.”

Timestamps:

• [03:26] Megatron’s record discussed
• [04:20] Matthew Stafford impact
• [06:00] Impact of extra NFL games

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2. What Are the NFL’s Most “Unbreakable” Records?

• Interceptions Record:
  Joe starts with career interceptions as the least likely to be broken—~86 career picks, a number far ahead of the modern pace.

  • [10:53] Joe:

    “Interceptions... That joint is at like 86 or something like that. There’s no way.”

• Jerry Rice’s Receiving Records:
  The career yardage (almost 23,000 yards) and touchdown (197) marks are called untouchable.

  • Quote (Deebo, 11:40):

    “You’re not gonna touch anything Jerry Rice has did as far as longevity. Like you’re not going to touch it, dude”

  • On Bet:

    "Somebody bet me a hundred K. Oh my. I said you are out of your rabbit ass mind. Bet good." [12:54, Deebo]

• Longevity Matters:
  They break down how it’s not about talent alone, but about “consistency and durability”, referencing Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson as case studies.

• Justin Jefferson/Chase:
  Despite phenomenal paces, the hosts doubt anyone will stay healthy enough, productive enough, and play long enough to challenge Rice.

  • Quote (Joe, 19:04):

    “The only people I'm saying... Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.”

• Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, and Emmitt Smith:
  If Sanders or Megatron hadn’t retired young, NFL record books might look different.

Timestamps:

• [10:42] Untouchable records
• [11:14] Comparing to Rice, Fitzgerald, T.O.
• [13:53] Longevity in context
• [16:38] Pacing for records

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3. Emmitt Smith’s Career Rushing Record—Can Derrick Henry Catch Him?

• Current Situation:
  Henry sits over 13,000 yards—needs ~5,300 to catch Emmitt.

• Realistic Shot:
  If Henry averages 1,200 yards for four more years, the record is feasible but requires extraordinary durability.

• Quote (Joe, 22:52):

  “Derrick Henry plays four more years and averages 1,200 yards, he's right at it. That's not a crazy thing to say."

• What-ifs:
  Both agree: had Barry Sanders not retired, Emmitt might never have held the record.

Timestamps:

• [21:51] Derrick Henry v. Emmitt Smith
• [23:04] Barry Sanders/Calvin Johnson “what ifs”

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4. NFL Career Longevity and the Business of Football

• Why the Averages Are Deceptive:
  The three-and-a-half year career average is skewed by a few outliers with double-digit seasons. Most guys never make it off the practice squad.

  • Quote (Deebo, 41:02):

    "You got cats like Jerry doing twenty... those are actually to the guy that didn't even make a year three."

• Playing for Your Hometown Team:

  • Stefon Diggs Rumor:
    Diggs expresses interest in joining the Commanders, playing in front of a hometown crowd.

    • “It would be great to come home and play in front of the fans.” – [24:24, quoting Diggs]

  • Pros and Cons:
    Joe thinks it’s best to start your career away from home to mature and only later to “finish it off” as a hometown hero.

    • Quote (Joe, 35:07):

      “Once you're in towards the later end of your career and ready to finish it off, I think it's a perfect time to be able to come home.”

  • Focus and Distractions:
    Both agree, playing at home demands focus and the ability to say “No” to friends/family because the NFL is a business first.

Timestamps:

• [24:24] Stefon Diggs linked to Commanders
• [25:00] Jalen Daniels health and readiness
• [31:32] Experiences of playing for home team
• [35:07] Pros and cons of returning later in your career

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5. Inside Baseball: Realities of Weigh-Ins and Playing Weight in the NFL

• Official Weights Are Often Fiction:
  Joe and Deebo swap stories about how weigh-ins get set during the draft/combine and never updated, regardless of real playing weights.

  • Quote (Deebo, 26:39):

    “I was getting a little older, trying to get lighter... it still said 195. So that thing is not updating.”

• Training, Diet, and Accountability:
  Maintenance isn’t the same for every player—some struggle to gain weight, others to drop it. Team policies can be strict (fines for being overweight/underweight).

Timestamps:

• [26:39] The truth about weigh-ins
• [27:43] Season weight management

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6. Mentality and Mindset: Surviving and Thriving in the League

• Selfishness and Structure:
  Both stress the need for players to be selfish with their time and stay extremely structured during the season.

  • Quote (Joe, 39:10):

    “You have to be very selfish. It's not all about... the stuff that the game brings you.”

• NFL as a Job, Not a Party:
  Making the shift from “football is fun” to “football is business” is essential for survival and success.

Timestamps:

• [37:16] Transitioning to NFL mindset
• [38:43] Importance of prioritizing performance

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7. Mailbag & Live Audience Questions

• Week 1 Worries:
  Joe would rather face a team with no recent film than a truly dual threat QB.
  • [41:26]
• Pre-game Pep Talk:
  Deebo’s message to Steelers’ defense before Atlanta: stay aggressive, execute, leave the Falcons “lumped up.”
  • Quote (Deebo, 44:03):

    “Don't get your ass pushed... go out here and show them exactly what Pittsburgh Stiller defense, football look like... you coming up out of this lumped up.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Megatron Record:

  • “If Puka stays healthy and Matthew Stafford... that extra game... just being able to be so dominant... the numbers wise, he did it before, he's done it with Megatron, he's done it with Cooper Kupp.” – Joe, [04:20]

• On “Unbreakable” NFL Records:

  • “You're not gonna touch anything Jerry Rice has did as far as longevity... That's 20 years that man played.” – Deebo, [11:40]

• On NFL as Business, Not Fun:

  • “The quicker that you understand that it's a job and not a fun game, it's not a party for everybody, the sooner that you'll be able to be good.” – Joe, [36:00]

• On Local Hero Distractions:

  • “You have to be able to say no... The benefits of having a social life and everything else... No, that's gonna have to wait.” – Deebo, [38:20]

• On Steelers Football Mentality:

  • “Win, lose or draw, man, I just need y’all to know that. You're gonna take up... you ain’t coming over here with none of that.” – Deebo, [44:03]

• Humor, Family, and Friendly Rivalry:

  • “My mama told me I couldn't beat him up... I don't want to do it...You just chose not to resort to violence, you know what I'm saying?” – Deebo & Joe on the running joke about fighting Ochocinco, [45:09–46:17]

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Segment Timestamps At-A-Glance

• [03:26] – Megatron record in danger discussion starts
• [06:00] – Impact of more games and league evolution
• [10:42] – Most untouchable NFL records
• [21:51] – Derrick Henry and the career rushing mark
• [24:24] – Stefon Diggs/Commanders talk begins
• [31:32] – Hometown team debate
• [37:16] – Realities of carving a career in the league
• [41:26] – Audience Q&A (Week 1 prep, defense mentality)
• [44:03] – Steelers pre-game speech and team culture

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Conclusion

This episode of “Nightcap” brings fans behind the curtain of NFL culture, record-setting greatness, and the business of football—with a realness only retired players can provide. Joe and Deebo deliver a mix of deep-dive football knowledge, hilarious stories, and invaluable life lessons on longevity, legacy, focus, and why some records just might survive “forever.” The Stefon Diggs/homecoming debate and candid truths about NFL weigh-ins offer additional insight into the life of a pro—on and off the field.

For more: Catch new “Nightcap” episodes with instant reactions, hot takes, and all-access NFL banter, every week.

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[Debo]

Look here man. Calvin Johnson doesn't expect his single season NFL record for receiving yards to last much longer. Dude, and he had to. And if he had to guess, he said Puka no will be the one to break it. Megatron said he still got Matthew Stafford so I think he's got a shot if he stays healthy. That dude's a killer out there. So Megatron set the single season record mark in 2012 breaking Jerry Rice's record of 190. Oh sorry, 1964 yards in 16 games. I guess Puka had 17, 15 and 16 games last season. Now Joseph Yes? Do you see, do you see Megatron's record falling?

[Joe]

Yes, I see it falling. And the only reason why I see it's possible because if Puka stays healthy and Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford is the person that throws the ball to these receivers to break the records. You know what I'm saying? If Matthew Stafford is a quarterback, he gave Megatron the single season record in 2012. He's the one that got it to him. And then after that he gave it to Cooper Cup. He gave Cooper cup the single season record. And then after that Puka Nakua on pace same like skill set. And I think he knows if you have a player like that that you can continue to get the ball to Devonte Adams on the other side. The offense is doing amazing. He said Calvin Johnson said the most perfect thing it's healthy if he can stay healthy and it's a 17 game season. I think that extra game also with Puka Nakua just being able to be so dominant and Matthew Stafford being able to just get the ball. He knows matchups. If you leave him in a matchup with a single coverage, he likes his guy and he's going to Give him chances to get those opportunities and puts it right on the money nine times out of 10. So I think with you having Matthew Stafford and having weapons around him to where you can't just double team PUK and the cool all the time, you can run the ball, they have Devontae Adams, they have other weapons to where they can disperse it around to where now they. Next thing you know, when you do get in that situation, when he ends well on one, you're going to get bombed up and they're going to take advantage of it. So I think with Matthew Stafford being the quarterback and Puka being his receiver, being at coming into his own health is the main thing. But with the numbers wise, he did it before, he's done it with Magatron, he's done it with Cooper cup and now I think with that level of receiver is Puka, Nakua.

[Debo]

Yeah, obviously see it happening. You got more games. Instead of 16 games, you got 17 games. And when you go and you, you know, you really just think about it like everything like, like you said it has to line up and for this to happen. With Calvin, it was 2012. Like Jerry Rice held onto that record. He's. Well, he made the record in 95 and he held onto it until 2012 when it got passed where everything lined up. You're talking, what is it, almost 20, almost 20 years, 17 years, something like that, that he held onto that record, you know what I'm saying? Until everything lined up perfectly. He stayed healthy, Stafford was doing his thing. So. And now you got more games. It's more of a passing league like Jerry Rice. Like that, man, when they was already passing the ball like they do now in San Fran when, you know, he was playing back then, so they were slaying that thing. So when it comes down to it, yeah, I believe it's going to be broken and I don't think it has to be that's going to break it again. You're talking something that lasted 17 years. So I mean it could last 20, 25 years, whatever it is. But at some point in time I believe that, that that record is going to be broken. It'll be 17 games right now. And then you got to think about it. It's about to be 18 games, bro. They about to knock off another. I'm telling you, as soon as that 30, if they do this deal before that 20, 30 CBA is up, it's going to be 18 games. Even after that, it's going to be 18 Games, bro. The 17 games go be 18 games. They're going to knock off two. They're going to knock off one of the preseason games. It's only going to be two preseason games. That's how they going to, you know, work it through obviously. And the NFL PA is going to fall for the bullshit because that's what they do. They leadership is trash. They have nobody that got any type of backbone. Everybody looking out for themselves. They ain't looking out for these players. Point blank period. Like so when it comes down to it, you think it's anybody else that could break it?

[Joe]

Besides I think jsn, I think Jamar Chase, okay, I think it takes two. You gotta have a quarterback and you gotta have a dog receiver, you know what I'm saying? And like, you gotta stay healthy.

[Debo]

Everything gotta line up.

[Joe]

So I'm thinking with JSN, he's a dog and he was his 6, 17, 1800 yards last year. You just seeing people out there that can do it. And with Ja' Marr Chase is one of my guys and I think if Justin Jefferson was able to really get. He's going forward if 15 consistent quarterback. I think if you just get Patrick Mahomes, one of these dudes you get with, with another A like Matab Kill was there. I think there was chances that he could have had that. But I think just staying healthy, having a bomb receiver and you got in an A1 bomb, A1 quarterback and a. A1 receiver.

[Debo]

Yeah, you gotta have it. They gotta have did this turn it turn off. Let me see. Nope, we're good. You gotta have a connection. You gotta, you gotta have a. Everything has to line up. And that's the same thing. Like Super Bowls, like guys that get to a Super bowl young and early, like, yeah, we gonna be back. Like, no, not necessarily, dude. You don't realize how much things gotta line up.

[Joe]

And then at the same time it's like what is. You gotta be. If you really eating that two bands, it's like, I hope we gotta make sure there's one ball. How many yards is your quarterback going for? That gotta be like 5000, 5000 yard throwing quarterback. Unless you getting 50% of the passes because a good 4000 yards is a good season. That means you have half of all of the receiving yards for your squad.

[Debo]

If you get one that's throwing for five, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

You get one for throwing for five, you straight. You got to be averaging. Your team got to be averaging around 350 yards passing. So you, you, you need your, like when you going at, at two bands.

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[Debo]

You need your, you need your buck

[Joe]

22 bands in 17 games.

[Debo]

Yeah, you, you know, in some games you got to come out there and go crazy and hit them with. Hit them with 200, 225

[Joe]

you did on 115. That's not crazy. 115 a game. So you go for 200 because like Josh Gordon was on pace. My man went for 200. Back to back games, you got to do something where you just spaz. You got a month where you gotta spaz out a couple games, you got to go for a 250 piece. And then.

[Debo]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe]

You taking it from the one like a 99 yard bomb. And then for that rest of the game, you still spazzing on them. You still give him another buck 50 after the.

[Debo]

After yards. You gotta have one of them Randy Moss games. Three catches, 175 yards.

[Joe]

Three. 167 for sure. And that's in the first half. Do you need to play the second half?

[Debo]

Hey, so right now, of all the NFL records that we have, which one you think is the most untouchable record in the NFL right now? You don't think it will ever be broken?

[Joe]

Interceptions.

[Debo]

Who got the. Who got the. Who got the record, man?

[Joe]

That joint is at like 86 or something like that. And there's. There's no way. What record you think who got that? Hold on, I'm about to get it right now.

[Debo]

You got to tell me who got that 80 something interception. That had to be when they wouldn't. They ain't know how to throw the ball or something, man. Unless he played a long time.

[Joe]

Well, for me, who you got?

[Debo]

Jerry Rice.

[Joe]

Receiving.

[Debo]

Receiving yards. They ain't gonna touch that, bro. Ain't nobody gonna touch that.

[Joe]

Who's the set? Who's in second place?

[Debo]

Almost 23, 000 you talking about almost 23, 000 yards receiving. And the thing. You're not gonna touch anything Jerry Rice has did as far as longevity. Like you're not going to touch it, dude. Like when you, when you. Let me see, hold on. 197 receiving touchdowns, bro. You're not touching that. He got 1549 receiving yards, career reception. Sorry, you're not touching that. That's 20 years that man played 20 years, bruh. You know, so. Bruh, I'll tell you, right? I'm tell you something. I'll tell you something. I'll tell you something. Somebody bet me. Okay, all right. That it was a player that was going to break Jerry Rice's record. Bet me a hundred K. Oh my. I said you are out of your rabbit ass mind. Bet good. Bet good.

[Joe]

Is it a certain player? Oh, okay.

[Debo]

Bet good. Yeah. I said it is not happening.

[Joe]

So who is number two in career receiving yards? How much is he in? How much is he in first place

[Debo]

career receiving yards? Dude, the next closest one I want to say is, is, is, is damn near 5 or 7000 away. It might be Fitzgerald.

[Joe]

I think that's the, that's the thing.

[Debo]

Debo Fitzgerald is the closest one.

[Joe]

I can't get Larry Fitzgerald 15,000. Terrell Owens then is after that 15. Well basically 16,000.

[Debo]

So he's still 5,000 away. What did he play? He played 17, 20 years. Right? What do Fitzgerald play?

[Joe]

Fitzgerald played from 04 to 2020. So he played 16.

[Debo]

Okay, 16 years. 20 years. Who touching 20 years, bro?

[Joe]

You're correct. I mean Jerry Rice's. The thing is people can start off and have. They can have 7, 6 years, 5 years, 6 year spans. 44 year spans obviously. But when you get to around 6 years, 7 year spans of great, you'd

[Debo]

have to have 102000 yards and you

[Joe]

still, you gotta have 2 of those 10, 10 of them.

[Debo]

102000 yard seasons and you still ain't beating.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's the longevity at receiver. So like dudes at the same. They can come out like my man. Like Justin Jefferson was on pace. He's probably one of the people I feel like if any way if he could stay and play for Justin Jefferson probably going to what year nine. And if he could do this for another 11 years, you know what I'm saying?

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[Joe]

That, that's, that's the type of. You have to.

[Debo]

What number is he at right now? Jefferson Jefferson got right now. I'm guaranteeing you it ain't on pace. It's too hard.

[Joe]

Justin Jefferson eight, eight, eight thousand. Oh look, 8,400. And he's only been in. He's going in. He's played six years. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Because the active you got Justin Jefferson 1218.

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[Debo]

Even if he played. If he played 18 years and stayed on that pace, which is horrible, it's going to be impossible.

[Joe]

But that's what I'm saying. That's what it takes.

[Debo]

You got to get a quarterback.

[Joe]

Justin Jefferson doing it without a quarterback. Justin Jefferson is one of the people that have been able to put up the numbers since he came into the league consistently. Like when you say these seven year spans, but you got to. That's what I'm saying. If you continue.

[Debo]

But how close has he ever been to even a single season breaking the record? Like, you gotta, you gotta get up there, bro.

[Joe]

No, I, I think, I think Justin Jefferson is one of the only. Right now. I mean, one of the only players in the league. Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase are the two dudes that are on the trajectory, I feel like. But they. But when we saying this Depot it's

[Debo]

saying if you do 20. If you do 20 years, you would have to average at least 12 or 1300 yards year for.

[Joe]

To beat.

[Debo]

To beat Jerry.

[Joe]

All right, hold up. All right, I understand. I'm just trying to give you. Look, the only people I'm saying that's even comparable close that have a chance right now is Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.

[Debo]

But like, ain't nobody who playing 20 years we got right now, especially now.

[Joe]

You. I hear what you're saying.

[Debo]

They trying to get rid of you at 30 now.

[Joe]

I hear what you're saying, but I was the same. Yep.

[Debo]

Like, it's just that it 197 receivers.

[Joe]

Because the thing with Jerry Rice is that you keep on saying. And I say with LeBron, it's the level. It's not. It's not you. Everybody can be great for a season. Not, not everybody, but a lot of players. You can be great for a season. You can be good. But then injuries happen. It's 100% chance of injury. So when you have players like Jer. When you have players like LeBron James that put these numbers out there so far, because greatness is going to be. It's cool, it's good. Everybody making it to the league is amazing players. You can be great to make three Pro Bowls, you can be amazing. Like hall of Fame, you start making seven of them. But when you start making 15 Pro Bowls, 15 all pros, that level of greatness that you're modeling for that long and then 20 years of doing the same exact thing of oh no, he's the best player in the league for 20 years, like, that's what makes these dudes all time greats. So when I'm saying Justin Jefferson, he's at the beginning of seven years in the league, seven years, Pro bowl in a row, averaging around 1200 yards in a row. So if you can keep this for 16, 14 to 13 more years, then you're in the conversation of Jerry Rice. If you were to retire after two more years, people are going to remember your name like you got, you're on pace for being able to do it for like four more years. Hall of Fame, but we're talking about being the best to ever do it and setting these numbers. Where Jerry Rice was doing it for 20 years, a thousand wasn't nothing. He's going 1500 for 10 years in a row. Then you got another like just consistency. He's 40, still out there with the Raiders going up top on people. So like when you're starting to look like, oh no, maybe he's going to year 16, is he going to do it another 1200? Year 17, is he still going to do it another 1200? So like you don't know because it's like. And neither one of us do because you never see it until you see that person that can do it. Because you see it at the beginning from a lot of people, like, oh man, Calvin Johnson's on the trajectory to break Jerry Rice's record and retires after nine seasons. And everybody's like this, oh man, you had so much more. But it's like the wear and tear on your body, you gotta want to be able to play that long. Like everything has to work out right. You know what I'm saying? So we're saying the same thing, but we gotta see, can that happen? Can you still be healthy? Can you still ball that long and stay healthy?

[Debo]

Yeah. Now the other record that I don't think will go anywhere but somebody currently has a chance to get to it. If he don't get it, I don't think nobody else gets it. And that's Emmett Smith's rushing career yards. Derrick Henry right now at 13,008. Okay, finish at 18, 3:55. Now Derek can go on a couple runs.

[Joe]

Oh man. Oh yes, he can get that before

[Debo]

he got out of there.

[Joe]

We just trying to figure out,

[Debo]

I'm just saying. But if he did it, you know, against everybody else, the other 16 games, you know, other 15 games, whatever it is, then he, he definitely got a shot at getting to Emma Smith's 18, 355 because he's only, he's only 5, 5300 away.

[Joe]

That's what?

[Debo]

So whatever time he got left, he just need to get 5,300. You know, he'd be hitting him for about 16, 17. He get a couple of them back to backs.

[Joe]

That man Derrick Henry plays four more years and averages 1200 yards. He's right at it, right? So that's not a crazy thing to say, but like you said, too. It's just.

[Debo]

But here's the crazy thing, though. If Barry Sanders didn't walk away, Emma Smith wouldn't have.

[Joe]

We talking about Barry and we talking about Calvin, and they looking at both of these records. If Calvin played for 20, if Calvin played for 23 years. I mean, now we looking at something crazy. If Barry Sanders played for the same amount of time as Emmett, you looking at something, you're looking at way different numbers. So, like, that's where. When the record books get up, that's where that greatness is, because they've been doing it for so long. Like nine years is different than 16. It's different than 15. When you level that model of consistency and greatness for so long. I'm like, that's why I give Bron so much love.

[Debo]

He can handle her. But I still. Listen, it's cool. I still. You want me to give him longevity? I'll give it to him the best he got. Two. He number two.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no. For sure, for sure, for sure. I appreciate it, you being you, me and you have no arguments about LeBron James. I was just saying. I just.

[Debo]

That's hometown, and I ain't even tripping. Akron, Ohio, west side, Summer county, you know, ak, Rowdy, Rowdy, all that. That's gravy, baby. We got free agent wide receiver Stefan Diggs. He opens up about the possibility of going home and playing for the Commanders. He said it's a lot of hopes. We're kind of figuring it out and working through some things. I did a small piece of. I did have a small piece of me, like, down. It would be great to come home and play in front of the fans.

[Tab Ramos]

Joe,

[Debo]

what do you think that would look like if him and old Daniels hooked up?

[Joe]

You know, I mean, I think it'd be good, but Daniels needs as many weapons as we could as he could possibly have. And I think Stephon Diggs still got some game in him, for sure. He's from the crib, from the area, you know what I'm saying? So I think it'd be good for him. I think he's still got a lot of, like I said, a lot of ball. So I think It'd be dope. What you think?

[Debo]

You know? I don't know, man. I just don't know if Jalen can stay healthy, man. He just needs. He need to get some weight on him. He got the same problem Wimby got. I said Wimby actually can stay healthy. He just. His is a little different. Like, they get the bang and hit you. Like, we got to put on some weight, put on some muscle. Like. Like, it ain't. What is it? How much he weigh? What was it, like, 170, 160 or something like that?

[Joe]

Oh, Jay Daniels. He did look a little skinny when

[Debo]

he came back, bro. What are you talking about, man? Turned sideways, you can't even see.

[Joe]

It look like he did look a little bit.

[Debo]

They look a little like he was. He was through. He's. He's super light, dude. Like, every time you see him get hit, I'm like, I don't know if he's getting up. Like, it. It.

[Joe]

It.

[Debo]

Like, he needs to, like. I don't know, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, that definitely.

[Debo]

They saying. They saying. They saying, 6, 4, 2, 10. I don't know about that. I don't know.

[Joe]

They. They don't. You know how them weights go? It's what we got at the combine is what you're going to get, and then from there, they will never change it. They get to ask you.

[Debo]

There's never.

[Joe]

Hey, Skills, no time to get in the league. Having to, like, literally report to the thing. No, after that, it's one is my bad debo or pro pro day, whatever you had to go to. They gonna get your measurements legitimately one time. And then after that, it's just. It goes. It goes. I mean, it stayed like it said, I was 194. I was 194 at the combine, and that's where they. Everybody went from. The whole rest of the time I was in the league, I was walking around 182 because I was getting a little older, trying to get lighter, and it still said 195. So that thing is not updating. So we're not jumping on the scale. You're gonna get one time, and you go, yeah. How much does he weigh? Like, he don't. He's not walking around at that Google rate. At that Google weight right now.

[Debo]

No, no, Joe. They had me at. Well, my weight. I didn't get a pro day and none of that stuff. My actual weight. I came in at my pro. At my pro. When I. When the stills weighed me and they had me, they had me at 242. And that was actually heavier than I had been until my first couple years of college when I was horribly, horribly out of shape. But it was 242 from that point on. By next year, I never played lower than 250. 255 up to 275, 286.

[Joe]

And did it stay at 242 on the thing?

[Debo]

Stay.

[Joe]

So that's why I'm always looking around, making sure. Thank you. I know I wasn't sure. So I'm like, it always. For me, I always said 194. And they like this. When you say you're 194, I'm like, I'm 180 pounds. Okay?

[Debo]

Like, you look at me, they trying to prepare for 240, bro. I got 286 coming at their ass.

[Joe]

No, diva, you got two seven. You got a whole number. Surprise. 30 for him, bro.

[Debo]

I came into camp on purpose at 270 at least every year. And then I worked up to make sure I had I could be strong as possible. And then from there, once we got into the season, as we started to work towards the season, I dropped down and I'd get into, like, the two, like, 255, 260, something like that. You know what I'm saying? And the longer the season got though, you know what I'm saying? Like, for me, I had to do what I had to do to try and keep from gaining it. You tried to do what you tried to do to try and gain it and hold on to it. So, like, the super dude, the run back in Tampa, bro, I was. I was. I was, too. I was 280. I was 282 or 286, and Woodley was like 305.

[Joe]

Do you know what Wood's number was?

[Debo]

Wood was like 305.

[Joe]

No, but I'm saying. Well, his, like, paper, like, what his. If you were to Google.

[Debo]

Oh, like, maybe two. Like, like maybe 270, 265, something like that.

[Joe]

I'm thinking we getting that myth out

[Debo]

of there right now. You know what? Troy was pretty much, man, TP was sitting there about 225.

[Joe]

What did it say, bro?

[Debo]

I didn't see. I didn't see TP playing as heavy as 240.

[Joe]

That's what it doesn't. Once you get that one number in

[Debo]

there, all that coming downhill. He coming downhill at what they think I'm at.

[Joe]

No, no, he about see. No, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. So the teams, the, the schedule, the weights and you make, they, they know like when they make sure, like when you do. Did you have to, did you have to set like a set weight with the trainer? So you just knew like when we had to do weigh ins, I didn't

[Debo]

have, we didn't, we didn't have weigh in. So they, they know how you. We didn't have weigh ins. Like we weighed in, but we didn't, I didn't have like, I didn't have a weight problem. So I didn't a thousand percent made to maintain. Like, even when like, like when BC was there, it was like, yo, are you playing well? Like, how are you moving all that other stuff? Like, dude, I ain't gonna lie, man. Like, it's sometimes where you use some cats, man, they, they scale weight, man. Bruh, depending on how they work, they program, they either come in out of shape and work it down. You can't do that no more now because you don't get enough. You don't get enough reps. But man, you had cuz come in and work down 20, you know, 30 in, in, in, in training camp, you know, that's when you had the real two of days. You pad it up both times. You know you're doing all. Yeah, then go ahead and work it down. You know they grinding. Yeah, you could work it down. Like, not no more already.

[Joe]

Be where you need to be because I know you was probably all in the same. That's if you don't have a weight problem, they kind of more. How you feeling? You know what I'm saying? What do you want to, what do you want to play at, Jody? And that was like, yeah, right. I'm like, 185 is good. So then when you do your weights, I'm like, yeah, I'm right around what I need to be. I'm feeling good. Okay. Solid. I know that's probably how you had your situation, but then the other players. So when I went, no, you need to be down to this number or you're going to be fined, you know what I'm saying? Per pound. So this situation was. Now, you playing good or certain? No, I like this. No, I don't care. You need to get down a little bit.

[Debo]

Hey, Joe. So when I went to New England, they actually did the weight thing ever. And you know, they were like, you know what? You know, we'll wait. You play it. I see they got you late, you know, listen to 242. I'm like, he's like, yeah, we know that ain't it. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, cool. I said, whatever I am right now is. Is gonna be the weight that, you know.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Play at. So I stepped on the scale. It, I don't know, like 260 something or whatever it was that I died. It was like, all right, cool. Yeah, so we'll give you. I think there was like, we'll give you £5 up, whatever. So, I mean, I never really got over that because as you said, once

[Joe]

you get over, you got to go

[Debo]

start going down so you can move around. Yeah. Yeah. Is it. He's going to play for. Well, he wants to play for his home team. Like, would you prefer to play for your home team or would you.

[Joe]

I think it matters at the time of my career. I think when I first, you know, because when you first get drafted, I think I would need it to go away kind of. It's a lot going on. It's a whole lot of just a process. So I think originally, first to go, just get away, to be able to kind of get your own stuff established, get your own foot down, learn the city, you know what I'm saying? I think the old experience of being able to get drafted, go to a new city, being able to grow up, being able to kind of become your own person is a whole situation. So I think that's good. I think once you start.

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

You get older, you get family, you get kids, you get matured. Once you're in towards the later end of your career and ready to finish it off, I think it's a perfect time to be able to come home because it's a change. You're a grown man, you're ready to do a little bit more and just being able to hold down like everything, the situations around being home, I think that's kind of what the thing was. So for me, I think towards the end of my career I'd have loved to come back to the crib and be able to run the family. But when I first get drafted, have my own spot out there. Family comes, visit as much as they want, come to all the games, but I think Just being able to kind of establish your own identity. Being able to. And at the same time, it's work. You're not going to go play and go like. It's not like you're just hanging out. I'm really trying to go there, really establish myself, really get my work on, really get my grind. Because when you first get there, it's a thousand things. You gotta get your place, you gotta get your stuff going on and just get your feet right. But it's all in becoming an adult. So I think that's all in just the growing and being able to just start doing that on your own and being able to become a. An adult. And then once you're established and ready to go and being able to have your career going over to go home, being able to do that is a whole lot easier. And you're able to control what you can control. You can control. The main thing, I think knowing the main thing is you are professional athlete. Your job is to now perform. You have to. All that college, everything is now, it's a business now. You are trying to make this team every single year. And the quicker that you understand that it's a job and not a fun game, it's not a party for everybody, the sooner that you'll be able to be good and get that, that just that schedule and just that consistency of, you know what I'm saying? Not just being so spontaneous, not just being so, oh, yeah, I can do this, I can do that. Football season is a very, like, it's not that long, but it's time for us to get the job done. All of this work that we doing towards the off season, it's really like there's an off season and there's an end season and the end season is very structured. There's things that we do because that's going to get my body right. You start to just know how you perform the best. So I think when you having that, it's just. You need that time.

[Debo]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I guess would I prefer to play. I don't think I would prefer to play. Well, I could play in my.

[Joe]

I could, I could, I could for sure.

[Debo]

I don't, I don't. I think to be able to play in your. I could, yeah, I could definitely play in my, my own home city. But to be able to be able to do that, you have to be a person that can separate and be very forceful in what it is that, that you're going to do. You got to Be able to say no. You got to be able to say, I got to do this, I got to do that. And everything has to be prioritized around what you need to do, like you said, to make sure you can go out here and perform at the highest level. And that doesn't mean just the in season. That means out of season, too. Like, you have to be able to go train. You have to be able to do all this other stuff. So you can't be sitting there doing all the hometown stuff where you, you know, you're going here, you're going there, you're hanging out with fellas, doing all that. No, all that could wait. I got a short period of time to make a whole lot of money, and I'm trying to do it as long as I can. So the. The.

[Joe]

The.

[Debo]

The benefits of having a social life and everything else that go along with being able to do that because you got more money. No, that's gonna have to wait. I can make all this money, and then we can go chill later and figure that out now. But I'm not gonna go and take away from training that I could be doing here, improvements that I could be doing here, because we want to have a barbecue or a grill out. No, I gotta do something.

[Joe]

Debo. When you're actually, like, when you put it in this time, when you're getting drafted and your first, like, say you getting drafted to your hometown, you going home to all the grandparents, all the family, and you don't know how to say no, and you want to make sure everybody's good, and you just. That whole time is a difficult time when people first get to the league. So I think being able to kind of get away a little bit, establish your own self, knowing you do have to be a little selfish because it's not all about.

[Debo]

It's not all about.

[Joe]

You have to be very selfish. It's not all about. It's not all about. It's not all about the stuff that the game brings you. Cause now we're here, now we can like you. Everybody else, like, when they would come to. Like when people come to the games, it is a party when they come to the game. I can't talk before the game because now this is my. This is what all this stuff is for. You know what I'm saying? I worked my tail off to get it to this point. So it's game day. It's very not stressful, but it's really. It's not funny. It's nothing to be talking what we Joking about, like, I'm locked in until after the game, when the game is over. Oh, we're in all the jokes, all the kiki. I have two studies. I have to make sure the last little tip bits on this third and two, I'm making sure. I know, okay, the slant is coming. If we lined up like this, like, we're doing the last previous checks. Because all that OTAs, all that minicamp, all that training camp, all these practices, all these meetings that we're sitting in there going over, it. It's for the show. All this other stuff is not. Doesn't mean nothing unless I don't perform it on this Sunday at the show. So, like, the quicker that we realize, like, it's fun, we're in the fl, but, like, oh, my goodness, it's real out here. Take it very seriously. It's not a game. You will get cut. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is why all this is happening. The more you can make that about, like. And how long can you play? It's not forever. So when you playing football as a kid. Oh, no, it's all good. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not all good. We got to be locked in because we will get cut.

[Debo]

No question. The average NFL career, three and a half years, right, Joe, come on, man. What are we talking about? We talking about this in the game. This is not forever. And it's not long like you. And that average is with guys like you doing what, 12? Got guys like you doing 12. You got cats like me.

[Joe]

Come on, man.

[Debo]

You got other cats like Jerry doing Twinkie. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Outliers.

[Debo]

Those are actually to the guy that didn't even make a year three, didn't even make a year two. He went practice squad and didn't. And it came back the next year, got released, and you can't. You only go practice squad for a year. Year and four games, I think it is after that, that's it. You got to make regular roster.

[Joe]

Gotta stop performers.

[Debo]

Start performing, Joe. Start performing. Hit the super chat, Sir. Covenant Live. $10, she said. Joe, as a DB, what worries you the most in week one? A mobile quarterback or a team that don't have a lot of fresh film on opening day? Steelers vs. Falcons, Browns vs. Jaguars, who's winning their first game?

[Joe]

So a team with a mobile quarterback or a team that'll have more if the team got the mobile. Mobile quarterback. I'm not worried about them as much as a db. If they can. If they if they can throw and run as just as good. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that's just tough for our overall defense in general. But if I don't have a lot of film on the team, I kind of like that sometimes. That's not bad. I just want to go out. We're going to play base. We're going to not just try to jump stuff and try to anticipate what's going on. You're going to play good on good. You're going to have to come out here and beat me. Like we can get comfortable. We get into the flow of the game to now, ok, you kind of get, ok. This is what they're doing. You kind of get a little feel. But the mobile quarterback is kind of more tough than if you don't have no film. If I don't have no film, I'm going fresh on you. And then open the day, Steelers, obviously. Steelers. Browns versus Jags. Okay. Yeah, obviously Browns.

[Debo]

You said Jazz.

[Joe]

No, I said. I said Browns. I said Browns.

[Debo]

No, I'm saying y' all play the Jags. You know that, right? Jacksonville, you know who over there?

[Joe]

Oh,

[Debo]

they got a quarterback.

[Joe]

Debo, stop. Come on, man. We got. We got the super chats. You just. I answered the questions.

[Debo]

My bad, my bad. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. Covenant life back again, she said. Debo, if you're in the locker room before the Falcons game, what message are you giving the defense about punching Atlanta in the mouth early? Full throttle, Debo, Because I need them to win. I'm being bullied by fans.

[Joe]

Game one, Debo. Game one.

[Debo]

Game one. I mean, that's defense.

[Joe]

What you gonna tell them? What you gonna tell them?

[Debo]

Oh, you just go out there and you play still the ball. You re establish what it is like, Debo, what's up?

[Joe]

They're like, debo, go break us down, Debo.

[Debo]

Oh, no, no, no. Like I said, okay, I don't. I don't. I don't go into that. You just can't. You just can't gonna see me already. I'm locked. I'm. I'm locked in. Bo, Bo, Bo. That's it.

[Joe]

Alignment assignment technique. Don't get pushed.

[Debo]

Don't get assignment. Not get your ass pushing back job and help your partner later. It's simple, bro. Go out here and show them exactly what Pittsburgh Stiller defense, football look like, okay? Make sure they feel every bit of it, okay? Win, lose a draw, man. I just need y' all to know that. You coming up out of this lumped up. You're gonna take up.

[Joe]

Listen, you're gonna take a few. You ain't.

[Debo]

You ain't. Listen, you ain't coming over here with none of that. Like you ain't.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, Okay.

[Debo]

Foxy mama. 4, 2, 4, 3, 2, 1. $5, she said, Debo. What happened to you and Ocho fighting? Still waiting on the workout for the females. Well, the workout for the females, it ain't gonna be on. It ain't gonna come for a minute now. We gotta get that whole thing set up. We got the whole thing set up.

[Joe]

You're gonna do it right. You gonna do it right now. That's why you're gonna do it right.

[Debo]

Gotta do it right.

[Joe]

You just can't throw it together, slang

[Debo]

it out there like that, you know what I'm saying? You gotta do it right, you know? But the fight with Ocho, I don't know. I don't know what happened, you know, I. I just. My mama told me I couldn't beat him up. Mama told me. She said, don't do nothing to that. To that little. To that little man. She said, you go hurt him. And, you know, I just. I don't know, man. He only a couple pound more than Jaden Daniels, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to do nothing to hurt the man, you know? You know what I'm saying? You just.

[Joe]

Families. You just chose not to resort the

[Debo]

violence, you know what I'm saying? Like, man got kids and all that, man, you know? But I'm just. I'm just. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to take the other road, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

I appreciate it, but if.

[Debo]

But if you keep asking for it, if you.

[Joe]

If he don't really want.

[Debo]

I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it.

[Joe]

He'd be perfect because he, like, if

[Debo]

you force me to do it, then I. I'm a forgiving man. I'm a merciful man. A merciful man. You know what I'm saying? They call me. They call me Bumpy Johnson. They see you a merciful man, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

You know?

[Debo]

Help Santi. We have $5, said, Joe. Joe, a cool jersey fits you better than the one on the wall behind.

[Joe]

See, that's where. That's a Pro bowl jersey. When I was with the. That's a Browns Pro bowl jersey. That's a Pro bowl jersey. That jersey is fire. This Jersey's fire too.

[Tab Ramos]

Joe.

[Debo]

What's, what's, what's, what's, what's on the Pro Bowl.

[Joe]

It's on the sleeve, man. It's a little brown on this. It's a little. It's a brown but it's a Pro bowl jersey. The main whole jersey is a Pro bowl jersey. And then the team that I played on is just represented on this.

[Debo]

Hey, listen, man. Hey, listen. My guy right here, Terrell Tisdale said why in the chat right here? He said, why don't y' all like the video? 225 watching and not even 100 likes. Y' all are shame damn. Hey, you watching but you ain't liking.

[Joe]

Is they not liking what it start liking?

[Debo]

Help your boy out.

[Joe]

Terrell.

[Debo]

I appreciate you.

[Joe]

I appreciate that.

[Debo]

I appreciate you, baby. 100 real one Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, listen. He said Debo and Joe entertaining this the least y' all could do is hit the like button. Mike, Mike, come on, man. Hit the like button.

[Joe]

I'm out here fighting with me and Debo.

[Debo]

Help your boys out. We out here. Listen, brother, we want to thank you guys man for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like subscribe and download where you get your show. Joe.

[Joe]

Yo, we will see you on Friday, same time, same place. We appreciate you. We out

[Debo]

and we out.

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