Nightcap Hour 1: Tony Allen DOUBLES DOWN on LeBron COMMENTS + Bam LEAVES LeBron Off TOP 5 List + LeBron COMPARES Himself to Rolling Stones + AD and LeBron NEVER Worked Out Together

Summary

Nightcap Hour 1: Tony Allen Doubles Down on LeBron Comments + Bam Leaves LeBron Off TOP 5 List + LeBron Compares Himself to Rolling Stones + AD and LeBron NEVER Worked Out Together

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: ISO Joe, Smooth (Josh Smith), regular guest appearances
Date: August 3, 2026
Featured Guest: Tony Allen (NBA Champion, Memphis Grizzlies/Boston Celtics Legend)
Additional Guest: Jeremy (frequent contributor)

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Episode Overview

This episode features former NBA star Tony Allen, known for his defense and Memphis "Grit n’ Grind" era, in a lively roundtable with ISO Joe and Josh Smith (“Smooth”)—discussing Allen’s recent comments on LeBron James’ defense, Bam Adebayo's controversial omission of LeBron from his all-time Top 5, LeBron’s Rolling Stones comparison regarding retirement, insights on Anthony Davis/Lebron’s supposed lack of summer workouts, and extended barbershop-level debates on NBA Top 5s, the value of defense, and the changing norms of NBA summer training.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. Tony Allen’s Grizzlies & Celtics Insights

[04:25 – 17:44]

• Early Memphis Days and Getting His Jersey Retired

  • Tony reflects on his journey from Boston to Memphis and admits he never expected his jersey retired.
  • Tony Allen [06:42]: “Honestly, no, man, considering even how I got there… when I left [Boston] I thought that I was gonna resign back… but they kinda was trying to go a different way… I know I outplayed my deal.”
  • Juwan Howard was a role model in Allen’s Chicago neighborhood.

• Adapting to a Defensive Role

  • Tony shares how, though a scorer in college, injuries in Boston forced him to focus on defense: “When I got injured, it was just like, how do I survive in this league?” [08:42]
  • Doc Rivers gave tough love: “Don’t you think you should be passing, rebounding, hitting the lane, shooting low clock shots and get you some in the lane steal?” [11:03]
  • He thanks Doc for “straightening my mental.”

• KG, Paul Pierce & Celtics Championship Stories

  • Celtics had “Ticket University”, “Ray University”, “Paul University” (leadership styles).
  • Gravitation to Paul Pierce’s competitive daily practice wars: “If I can guard P, I can guard anybody in the league, bro.” [12:11]
  • Championship story: They ran out of champagne on title night—Tony ended up with a 40-ounce St. Ides [16:03].

• Wisdom on Winning & Team Bonding

  • “Winning the championship… made me realize how hard it is to win, man, and how hard it is to get everybody collectively on one page and guys to buy in and drop ego.” [16:36]
  • Boston’s off-court camaraderie, shared rituals (all the starters “went bald” for unity).

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2. Defensive Mentality and LeBron Debate

[18:34 – 27:15]

• Who Tony Wished He Could Guard:

  • “Mike. I’m talking about that 92 Mike. That 93 Mike.” [18:51]
  • Breaks down his defensive approach to stars like Kobe and how he’d adjust to Jordan.

• Doubling Down on LeBron Defense Comments

  • Tony stands by his “overrated defender” take from the Chris Vernon Show.
  • “It’s just barbershop talk really… what I was saying was… LeBron got 40,000 points… me and him made the same number of all-defensive teams…” [21:00]
  • He emphasizes his whole primary job was defense, while LeBron had to do everything for his team: “My value in that era of basketball… was don’t let ‘em get their average. TA’s gonna help our ball club.” [23:22]
  • Host counterpoint: LeBron’s responsibilities were broader, making great defense harder.

• On Defending LeBron and Defensive Honors

  • Tony notes his actual on-court defensive impact vs. voting and media-driven awards.
  • “Every team he made, I made… you ain’t talking to no local joker now.” [23:04]
  • “A lot of cats in the league don’t know how to adjust… for me, I say, shit, I gotta get out how I live.” [11:19]

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3. Bam Adebayo’s Top 5 Snubs LeBron

[31:12 – 36:12]

• Bam’s List: Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, Michael Jordan, Kevin Durant, Tim Duncan (No LeBron)

  • General consensus: “He must be salty about Miami… but salt kills snails, not players!” – Smooth [31:59]
  • All hosts agree LeBron deserves Top 5, Jeremy jokes, “Ain’t no other reason you leave that man off your top five list.” [33:22]

• Tim Duncan Discourse:

  • Tony Allen: “I think he’s one of the most disrespected just winners of all time… not as marketable… but he’s the most winningest player of all time.” [34:14]
  • Smooth: “He helped build that Spurs franchise… probably the best to ever do it.” [35:08]
  • Jeremy: “He don’t get love cuz he ain’t loud… real Hoopers know what Tim Duncan did.” [35:41]

• Power Forward Rankings (Smooth, Jeremy)

  • Multiple Top 5 lists discussed, highlight: Charles Barkley, Dirk, Dennis Rodman get love, illustrating broad respect for “old school” (Rodman: “That man meant everything to every team he played for.” – Jeremy [40:05])

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4. LeBron on Retirement/Legacy: The Rolling Stones Analogy

[41:30 – 49:26]

• LeBron’s Comparison:
  • “Look at, like, guys like Bruce Springsteen and…the Stones…they’ve been on tour for 50-60 years and no one’s telling them, ‘Hey, don’t come to our city’…” [41:56]
  • “Why not still play it if you still love it?... Squeeze as much of the juice out of it as possible.” [42:31]
  • The panel strongly supports LeBron’s autonomy:
    • “You still averaging 20, why would you sit?” – Jeremy [46:11]
    • “He does deserve to make a decision into whenever he wants to retire…” – Smooth [46:19]
  • ISO Joe: “He’s been under the microscope… Not only did you meet expectations, you exceeded them. Come on, bro, what are we talking about?” [48:14]
  • Debate: Will LeBron play through 25 years and chase “six rings like MJ?” [51:20]
    • All believe he will push to match or surpass Jordan’s legacy.

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5. LeBron & Anthony Davis: Never Worked Out Together?

[52:06 – 54:19]

• Citing Lionel Hollins, it’s revealed LeBron’s workout schedule (3-4 a.m.) never matched AD’s, so they never trained together.
• Jeremy: “It worked out, didn’t it?” (referencing their 2020 title). [52:43]
• Musings on whether AD’s health would’ve improved with a different approach; lively debate on training habits and NBA culture shifts:
  • “What you do at 5 in the morning, I can do the same thing at 10.” – Smooth [53:22]
  • “They love it [working out together] now… they all got the same training… they all spamming the same little move.” – Smooth [54:41]

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6. Old School vs. Modern Summer Training

[54:19 – 61:53]

• The hosts reflect on DIY grit vs. today’s trainer era:
  • “When we was coming up… we had no trainers, bro. Everybody got a trainer now.” – ISO Joe [55:07]
• Jeremy tells tales of summer pickup games with NBA legends in Chicago, including Michael Jordan himself:
  • “[At 16:] My brother got me a car… I get in the gym—and it’s all pros. Michael Jordan, all these pros.” [55:35]
  • On MJ’s trash talk: “He literally told me, wouldn’t miss that if you had on Jordans.” [57:54]
• Grueling summer workouts described to keep NBA edge sharp.

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Most Memorable Quotes

• “Honestly, no… I never thought Memphis would retire my jersey…” — Tony Allen [06:42]
• “My value… was don’t let ‘em get their average… TA gonna help our ball club.” — Tony Allen [23:22]
• “Salt kills snails, not players.” — Smooth [31:59]
• “I think [Tim Duncan] is one of the most disrespected… winners of all time… Real Hoopers know what Tim Duncan did.” — Tony Allen [34:14]/Jeremy [35:41]
• “Look at the Stones… been on tour 50, 60 years and no one’s telling them ‘don’t come to our city and do a tour’… Why not still play it if you love it?” — LeBron James (audio clip) [41:56]
• “Ain’t no other reason you leave that man off your top five list.” — Jeremy, on Bam’s snub [33:22]
• “He literally told me, wouldn’t miss that if you had on Jordans.” — Jeremy, on MJ’s legendary trash talk [57:54]

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Notable Timestamps

• [06:42] – Tony Allen’s surprising path to Memphis, reflections on jersey retirement
• [11:03] – Doc Rivers’ tough love shapes Allen’s transition to defense-first role
• [16:03] – Unexpected lack-of-champagne championship celebration story
• [18:51] – Allen’s dream defensive matchup: Prime Michael Jordan
• [21:00] – Tony Allen details the origins and intent behind his LeBron defense remarks
• [31:59] – “Salt kills snails…” Classic quote as the panel roasts Bam’s Top 5 omission
• [34:14] – Demanding Tim Duncan receive proper “winner” recognition
• [41:56] – LeBron’s Rolling Stones rationale for his continued play
• [53:22] – Reflections on why AD/LeBron never worked out together, changing training norms
• [57:54] – MJ’s legendary gym trash talk to a young Jeremy

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Language & Tone

The tone is authentic, laid back, and conversational—emulating a “barbershop” environment, with candid banter, honest debate, and storytelling full of first-hand NBA locker room flavor. The hosts and guests use humor, play off each other, and sprinkle in both hard truths and playful ribbing, maintaining the tradition of “keeping it 100” for the Nightcap audience.

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Conclusion

This Nightcap episode stands out for its mix of honest insider stories, unfiltered takes on legacy and greatness, and deep appreciation for old-school competitive mentality—all anchored by Tony Allen’s unwavering self-awareness and the playful chemistry of the roundtable crew. The debate over LeBron’s defensive legacy, Bam’s top-five snub, and LeBron’s approach to playing late into his 40s offer an unvarnished look at how former and current players measure greatness—while championship stories and anecdotes provide a locker room window for fans craving the inside scoop.

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Transcript

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Welcome to another episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. I'm your host, ISO Joe and y' all already know. It's the ISO takeover, huh? And my co host, one ATL's very own straight out of Kali. Pardon? The thing that made that boy special wasn't just his athleticism. At 6 9, he could guard every position on the court, protect the rim, run the flow, make plays for his teammates, and throw down some of the nastiest dunks you ever seen. You hear me? Always one of the funniest dudes in the room. That's a given. And always somebody who gonna keep it. 100 with you. Make some noise for my co host, Josh Smith. What's happening playboy?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

What's good brethren? How you doing?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

100. 100. Hey, guess what though. I got another special guest tonight in the building. Hey, one of the toughest competitors I ever played against. I ain't gonna lie to y'.

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All.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

A six time all defensive team selection. The NBA champion with the Boston Celtics. The heartbeat for those Memphis Grizzlies, teams that everybody remembers as the grid and grind era, missed the first team himself, Mr. Tony Allen. What's happening? Play, boy.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Oh, man, I appreciate y' all happy, man. Much love, man. Much love.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, man. Hey, appreciate you for joining us, bro.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Man, you know, it's only right, man. I gotta. I gotta come sit on where the real and all of that you talking about. Hey, I was one of the toughest. Hey, man.

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

Had get real good sleep thinking you, bro.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

1 no going to the night hour spots up there in Atlanta. I got good rest coming to Atlanta, man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. We appreciate you, bro, for taking some time out to join us. And I already know. You already know you was one of the toughest. Kobe Gay. You'll probably say you was the toughest ever. Guard him. I mean, man, listen, what you got going, bro?

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Man, look, man, right now, I'm just really just. Man, I was hollering at Josh the other day, man. I've just been really putting a lot of time and trying to, you know, getting my son to an answer to the test and trying to get to the league, man. Trying to, man. That's it. That's all, man. Just putting a lot of time into that, man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Me and Smooth talk about that all the time, bro. We got the blueprint. We got to pass it along. You know what I mean? Hey, TA Tell me something, bro. You ever think. Did you ever think they retired your jersey in Memphis, bro?

[Narrator or Additional Guest]

Yeah.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Honestly, no, man, considering even how I got there, man. You know. You know, I'm not everybody familiar with free agency during that time. I had just left Boston. Yeah, I left the 2010 finals. And Kobe, that was my assignment. He shot probably one of his worst percentages in the playoff alone his whole career.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

And I think when I left there, I thought that I was gonna resign back, and I ain't want number the third year. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't trying to go eat the market like that. I was just. Hey, man, just give me a third year. Yeah, I thought they took a lot of interest in Nate Robinson, and then they was about to draft Avery Bradley. So I think that they kind of was, like, trying to go a different way without disrespecting me by trying to give me the same deal that I had. And I know I outplayed my deal.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, but. But, Ta, you was a bucket at Oklahoma State, bro.

[Sports News Anchor]

Oh, yeah.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Shout out.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, you was a bucket at, oh, state.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

What? Tell me.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

So when you came into the league, I guess you were like, man, damn this. I'm just gonna lock in, like, what made you take on that role? Because a lot of cats don't like that. They want the glitz and glamour. They want the threes, the, the, he's the haha.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

You feel me?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

So for you to be able to sit in that chair and really study cats defensively, like, what was it? What, what was it that brought you? Was it your upbringing? You from the shot, ain't you?

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Born and raised.

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

Born and raised.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Come on, what was it, bro? What was the upbringing? Because I just some boys out there in the shot getting money now.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Yeah, for sure. I, I, I can't affirm. My upbringing was pretty much everything. Shout out 95th street, man. Lo, homes, man. To be exact, Juwan Howard, a lot of people don't know, man. He used to live four doors down the street from me.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

That my guy.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

And, and, and seeing him actually go to the league, come back in that Bentley, Azor, build that court, that's all I needed to see. I say, y' all know this, this basketball thing can't take you somewhere. And so big shout out to Juwan Howard just for putting that, that, that platform for me, because outside of my neighborhood, you got a wicked jump shot,

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

or, you know, the rest.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

You see what I'm saying? So I had that mentality to try to, you know, survive the survival mode. Pretty much toughness came from just coming outside. But, man, I can't front. When I got to Boston, I mean, Oklahoma State, I had already knew, I thought I was a prolific school. That's what I thought, my man. But when I got to Boston, it was like, okay, you gotta pass the ball, young man. And I, I caught on to that quick. And right after that, you know, I got injured, bro. A lot of people don't know I took my acl, man, off a time. I mean, dead ball play. And from there, man, it was just like, how do I survive in this league? And Josh know me.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

And Josh was in the rookie All Star game. Hey, Josh, tell me y' all came

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

in the same time or you was a year ahead of him?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, no, we came same year, same draft class.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hold on, hold on. But T80 Josh, TA was on that team when we played against the Celtics when we were the ac. They were one seed.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

I ain't getting no birds.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I ain't getting no birds. You ain't getting.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

He got a nice little Bentley after that.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah. Hey, hey.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

But that nice little chick.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yes, indeed.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, hey, tell me something, Ta.

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Who, who.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Who taught you the most throughout that championship run, bro? Playing with Boston, I mean, you walk in a room. Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo. Like, who taught you the most out of all them cats, bro?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Well, at the time, me and Rondo,

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

we was learning at the same time.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Rondo had. Was just playing behind Sebastian Tail, living. He was hot in the mother. Every day he bone all these niggas. My A boom, cool. Me, him and Per. That's how we rocking, right? We were the youngest. So when they had universities, they had Ticket University, they had Ray University, they

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

had Paul University, two universities.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I mean, so I gravitated to Pete

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

on a simple stress that, you know what? I need to be trying to stick guys like this throughout the league.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Cause when you look at that payroll sheet, you know damn well you ain't supposed to be hitting. But so many attempts. So. So for me, it was like, all right. When Doc catch me doing a little too much, like I'm in Chicago somewhere, he'll pull me to the side and

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

say, hey, man, look around, man. Dude make 25 million.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Dude make 30 million.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Dude make 25 million. Do you think you should be shooting the first shots of these games? Don't you think you should be passing,

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

rebounding, hitting the lane, shooting low clock

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

shots and give you some in. In the lane steel?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I say, you right. And that way I picked it up from.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

So if anybody, I gotta give it to Doc by just straightening my mental. Because a lot of cats in the league come in the league and don't

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

know how to adjust.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Don't know how to adjust to something

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

new and it be uncomfortable for. For me. I say, shit, I gotta get out how I live.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

And so Ray would do things like, man, come to the gym early, get shots up, read books, cold tub, hot tub, just meditating. I was like, okay, I know I ain't finna be reading no damn book, but I like how you get ready.

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[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

So. So I'm looking over, I'm looking over I' University, but I with it. I might take a few class. But I look at Ticket, you know, Ticket, he over there, you know, all focus, don't want to say nothing real.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Yeah, I said, man, hold on, man. I came a long way from that. I'm gonna go to another universe.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

So I'm at P University. We turn we loud. What's up? Yeah, we ain't going. We don't care. We ain't dabbing hands today when we come out. Yeah, like, he'll be on that type of time. And it was just like some man, let's go.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

And I. I gravitated to P, man, and fell up under his wing. And I just felt like if I can guard P, man, I can guard anybody in the league, bro. And we used to play Warrens every day, bro. I swear, every day.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, no cap. TA Look. Cause you know, I had him my rookie year was Paul Pierce, fifth year. He had just got that big max deal, like 96 million. So you couldn't tell him nothing. You hear me? You couldn't tell the boy. So look, you coming there. I'm watching him in games, practice, ta. I'm like, man, how you getting this off with this little weak ass jab? He just hitting people with. He just jabbing, then go like, I'm in practice today. I'm trying to learn it.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I got that. I. I want to know how to

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

give me some easy buckets too, because it was cash.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Every time.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Every time.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Smooth. I watched this, man. We played against the. The. The New Jersey Nets. This was my rookie year. This one, they had J. Kidd, Kenya Martin, all them, man. P had. P had like four points in the first quarter. I can't make this. I mean, first half, he was ass trash, ta man. Finished the game with 48. I'm talking about in the second half, he was just going crazy. So being around that, bro, seeing that at an early age, seeing how a guy like Paul Pierce worked, bro, I try to pick up any. Any and everything I can. Just like you say, you hanging around Pete, you trying to see how he think, how he move, you know what I mean? Trying to gain an advantage at any point. And that's how I was, bro. All the great cats I played with, whether it was Stephon Marbury, whether it was Steve Nash, whether it was Sean Marion, whether it didn't matter. It was if it was something that I felt like I could steal from that game, bro, and. And put it into my own to enhance my game, boy. I'm doing that all day long. Another story for y'. All. Another story for y'. All. Cause you played with Kevin Garnett.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yes, indeed.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

One of my favorite guys to play against.

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Smooth.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You already know the series that we had, and absolutely him and Smooth went at it. But I had a chance to play with him, too, in Brooklyn, bro. And the first day I met him, Smooth. We coming to the gym. It's September. We all finna play pickup. You know, we getting ready for the season. We end up playing pickup. We got Andre Blash. Andre Blash, Pop he hit a three. He, you know, Andre Blash talking stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he talking stuff. Him and KG guarding each other. They come down running pick and roll. Hit KG at the top of the three. He shot it. He shot the three and made it.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

He said, I've been working on my too. I've been working on my too. Hey, hey.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

That's him, Joe. Oh, that's him. Hey, man, listen, the. The just having his presence around, bro, it meant everything for us, bro. Like, he. He done. He does so much by not even have to do a whole lot on the court, you know what I mean? But just by him being out there, his presence, him being vocal, keeping everybody in order, it was great. So I know you probably learned a whole lot from him.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Yeah. Hey, listen, any pick and roll I was in, it gave me that much energy and aggressiveness to.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

To not get rejected.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Your ass going over the screen.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

You gotta run in the big fella. I ain't tripping on nothing you doing.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

And so I. I like it then

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

back then, you know, Josh, I know you know, y' all went.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Y'.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

All.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

We did shows. We did the. The show and get back.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

So you gotta get over and get under.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Drop coverage. It was never drop coverages.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

How y' all even feel about that in today?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Crazy, man.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Coverage. That's a lazy coverage.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

And. And guys want switching everything like they do now. That's why we should do the show. Get under or get over. You know what I mean? Cause think about it.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Smooth used to switch a lot, though.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, we switched a lot because we had, like, sizes. You know what I mean?

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Yeah, it's easy to do it then.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[Onplus Nicotine Pouches Advertiser]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

It wasn't. It wasn't a lot of teams doing that back then, bro. You know what I mean? Things are a lot different now. Hey, TA Give us. Give us a championship story, bro. That you probably, you know, a good one. Some.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Some.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Maybe you have told something you probably ain't told. Give us a good championship story.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Championship story. Man, how they ran out of champagne on championship night, man.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

We stopped get out of here on each other like they only had a 12 cases. Hey, I'm thinking we finna be passing out all night, man, for the end of the night, man. I think I had a 40 hours of St. Eyes, man. Hey, man, they ran out of champ, man. That's the only thing, man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

That's the whole thing. You remember?

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

I say, man, but now I can't front, though. That day, though, winning the championship.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I can't front the.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

It Made me realize how hard it is to win, man, and how hard it is to get everybody collectively on one page and guys to buy in and drop ego. And it's a lot that go in the winning. And I didn't play that much in the time that we won, but I played a lot of 2010 run. But just looking at both of them and how hard it is and getting there, because I know how I feel to lose, know how I feel, win. But what I'm saying is the buy in, the buy in is so key. You get what I'm saying?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

The camaraderie off the court, on the

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

court, them all them guys went ball. P Went ball, man. That's 82nd unit. Like, we not going ball. You're not going ball. So just that alone for them to buy in, cut their facial hair, and just be on more serious time. When we go out, you pop out.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

All right, man. Come on. Make sure y' all get y' all ass up. We're going to work out tomorrow. Like, ticket head that on, like, on the lock, like.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

We gonna come to your city, gonna. We're gonna kick y' all ass, gonna have some fun.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

And we get on, we go, hello, hello.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

But we all doing it with the

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

one team, one goal mindset. And so I think that carries over, man. The team ain't bonding off the court, man. That's your secondary family, man. I think that that will helped us, you know, in 08, man, y' all

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

was a hell of a team, bro. Hell of a team, boy. Hey, hey, I know we won seven games, and with y'.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

All.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

And y' all end up winning after we took y' all seven, Cleveland took them seven, and then y' all wanted in less than six. So, you know, we kind of hang our hat on that, bro.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

We.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

We. We. We ain't have a chance in Boston. But in the A.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I'm already know. I'm already know. Hey, I'm still. Hey, I'm still still mad at you, though, bro.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

You ain't had to do my man Leon Poe like that, man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, hit him with. Oh, man. Hey, T8. You know, it ain't personal. It's just business, baby. You already know it.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

You know what I'm saying? Every time I look at that. But I say he just had came

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

off of two ACL surgery. Killer tried to send him back to the mri.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, TA you built your reputation in the NBA by locking people up. If you had to pick one player, bro, in NBA History that you wish you got a chance to guard. Tell me, who would it be?

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

I don't want to be so cliche.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Mike.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Yeah, I was gonna say, I was thinking.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Mike, I'm talking about that 92, Mike. I'm that 93, Mike.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah, I'm talking about that one. Not the one when he came back

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

and he took the time off. I'm talking about that early on, Mike, when he was doing all this shit. Oh, yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah. You want some of that smoke?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I would have loved it because, I mean, I think. I think I would have.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

I would have pretty much stuck him a lot like I stuck cold, see, with cold. A lot of people don't know is I. I never let him go right. You know what I'm saying? You ain't going right on me, bro. You know, right? You might throw it on my head.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah, but if you go left, I know if you go left, you ain't stuck with nothing but that pump, faking that step back or whatever you see, gotta stay down.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

And if you.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

If you taking off like this on this with that left hand, I might bump you a little bit and contest with my right. Josh.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

There you go.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

But what I'm saying is, bro, back then, he.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

He gave you a little more.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

He was too exciting back then for the game, and I think I would've loved it. You know what I'm saying? Lock up with that excitement.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah. I feel. Yo, hey, smooth. If you had a chance. I know you. You know, when you played, you let your man get by you because, you know, it's just some things you can't teach and elite athleticism. I'm like, damn, man, why you let that man beat you? So I'm gonna meet him at the rim. Oh, that was purpose.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

That was purpose.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, it was on purpose, man. Dunk on me. Sometimes I want to see. I want to see what your athleticism talking about. Yeah.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Oh, that is a skill, huh?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

It's a skill. You gotta let him feel like. Sometimes you gotta let him feel like he got it. He got you.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Let them get a step on you a little bit, and then you just gotta go and meet him.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah, you want.

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

You.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You a super elite at that ata. Now we gonna go and get to the little elephant that's in the room. You know, you've been in the headline lately, you know, about what you said about LeBron, about he's an overrated defender. We trying to see, man, me the chat smooth.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

We want.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

We want. We want to know what's up.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Hey, so. Hey, so look, let me get this clear, bro.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hold on.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

So let me show you how this started out. Cause you know, we in the world of clip.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

What they call a whip farming now, right?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got you.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yes, sir.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

So let me give you a day of Tony Allen, man.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

I do a. I do a local show called Chris Vernon Show. I'm a guest on there. And it's our grand city media team for the Grizzlies. And I. I attend that podcast every Tuesday.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

So when I'm coming in, I guess

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

the list had already came out. I'm not too Internet savvy. I. I come up and I came in 04. We went. We ain't had Instagram back then, so I ain't.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I ain't too savvy. That make a long story short, they

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

asked me, do I want to comment on this list? I'm saying, yeah, I'll come in on this.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

They say, well, you're not.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

You might not be happy because where you ranked? So they go through the list, and I'm going through the list.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

And as you could tell, I was giving people props.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Like Brian Artist, like, yo, he should be way higher. I'm like Dennis Rodman. Yeah, he should be number one. Or like Gary Payton.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

He should be like, I'm giving everybody props.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

So this one coming from no hating type of vibe.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Right, right, right.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

What I was saying was. And it's really just barbershop talk, really.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I thought that once they got that

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

low into the list, I'm like, damn,

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

where I'm at number 50 or something. That's how I'm thinking in my mind.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

And so then Braun came up, and I'm like, hold on, bro. That man got 40,000 points. Then, look, last about two weeks ago, he going to. He been shooting at Memphis for a long time.

[Sports News Anchor]

That.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Let's bring the whole elephant out.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Call it what it is.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

He been shooting at Memphis the whole time.

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[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Players that come in town, you ain't

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

really trying to kick it in Memphis.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Cool. You might want to go get something to eat, but you got to get your sleep and get ready for the groundhouse. That's how it was back in the day.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

It just ain't that. So now you gonna kill our city

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

on the golf course.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Not only that, you gonna. You gonna come at my brother and say, his award should have been yours.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

No, I gotta say something now.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Cause the list right here in Front of my face is on point now, because I could have said something when I saw it podcast. So I took it in the room. I said, hold on, let's be clear. We don't.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

We both on the same amount of teams.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Every team he made, I made.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

So we. You ain't talking to no local joker now.

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

Right?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Right, Right, right, right, right.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

So I just felt like, all right, with my job every day, what I

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

gotta do, man, to come to this court, man, if I don't come here and make it difficult for the opponent

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

score, they gonna be looking at T.A. like, what's your value?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Right, Right.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

My value in that era of basketball was at the point was, don't let them get their average TA that's gonna

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

help our ball club.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hello.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

And so if I got to do that night in, night out, at limited minutes.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Right.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

He on the court for damn near 46 minutes.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

You mean to tell me if you gotta play defense every minute, you own a second to a guy, that gonna play it occasionally better, brother.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Well, TA ta ta.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

We.

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

We.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

We not. We not negating the fact that you do it better. We think you do do it better. But the thing is, LeBron has to do. He has so many damn jobs on the court, okay? He got to score the ball smooth. I gotta assist the ball. Damn. I gotta rebound the ball. Hell, I'm leading the the team in steals. On top of all that, I gotta defend the number one guy the entire game. That's not possible. He can't exert all that energy and tend to these other jobs.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

But you know what? But guess what? I. I'm. I'm stepping it. But guess what? I gotta do that. And if I don't do that, hey, I'm gonna be playing for the hour Bulldogs in the G League.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

And that's understood. Cause it's like, damn, TA ain't tolding all them damn jobs. But if TA lock in defensively and that's all you doing all night.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Oh, yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You gonna be better than him in that. There's no question. You saying he was hiding you on the list?

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

Hiding me on the list?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I said I couldn't believe it. Cause I'm like, damn. Hold on, man. LeBron just greedy. He won all the awards, man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Ta when he done ta, he gonna have them all. He gonna have them all.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

And one thing I can't say, because I locked up with LeBron, too, like that that time he left Cleveland. That was my assignment.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Imagine I'm not Comparing myself to him, he averaged 28.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

7 and 7. Let's be clear.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hello.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

But what I'm saying, what I did was. Few deflections here and there in key moments. Q stills, few still there in key moments. Couple contested shots where I know he. He. He stretched out by my contest. That's my defense, bro. And not only that, I. And no respect to. No disrespect to any guy that didn't

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

average over a dub when I was

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

playing, but if you didn't average a dub nine times out of 10, I wasn't sticking you. You feel that's a fact. I ain't out here just bumping my gun saying no out the mud moment. Hey, man, this is really me on the barbershop.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

And I'm pretty sure Brian will laugh about this.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

And Smooth.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Hey, Smooth. Don't you. Don't you be insinuating them black trucks pulling up.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I'm running, man.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

You know, I care about you, man. I just want to do a. Well, just check on my dog.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

But think about this. Damn.

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

You don't think.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Braun got no valid point, bro. He was first team all defense that year. Mark Gasol won defensive player of the year. Marcus all was second team. He ain't got no. He got a. Come on, now.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Hey, now, listen. All right? So now listen, right?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I don't know why I finished up and vote, but we talk about our. We talk about our peers. We talk about our peers. Yeah, man, everybody in their mama, they

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

saw me that summer said, bro, damn, we thought you gonna get that award, bro.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

And get what my boy, Big Mark do. He go win the ring and put Green Grind on the ring. So he know.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

He said, hey, man, I ain't giving

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

you my award, but I. I stamp was on the ring. I said, so now Brian ain't finna come up. That's really Me and Mark award.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you said if you didn't get it, hell, long as one of your teammates got you.

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Cool.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Hey, man, y' all had some hell of a. Y' all has a hell of a. Hell of a squad for the Memphis Grizzlies, bro. You know? Hey, man, we appreciate you for stopping by, bro. I'm gonna have to come sit down with you and my boy Z Bow, man. You know? Hey, I got some real stories with me and Z Bow, bro.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Hey, man. Hey, hey, listen, we want both of

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

you brothers on there, man. I had to come up here, man.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Do the. Do the. Do the. Hey, the podcast so I can set

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

the pick and Roll for out the mud man.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Hello everybody man. Follow out the mud man and y'

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

all keep doing y' all thing family night cap already.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

All right.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Ta appreciate you brother.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

yes, sir. Hey, that boy fool ain't smooth.

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[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Hey,

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

TA say, damn that. He said I'm. I'm the one, not the two, partner.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Got to tell you first team.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yes, sir. Hey, Smooth, check this out. Bam out of bio leaves LeBron James off of his all time top five list. Bam Lee Braun out, bro. He. He listen to his top five. Smooth. Hear me out. He got Kobe Bryant, he got Steph Curry. He got Michael Jordan, Kevin Durant and Tim Duncan. What's up with this list, bro? Bam, Bam ain't messing with Braun. You got Braun in your top five.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Brian probably. He probably mad at. Brian ain't come down to the south beach to mess with him.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Come on. He living off his top five.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Cause of that might be a little salty, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but salt kills snails, not players. You feel me?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hello, hello, hello. Run that one more time.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I need.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Say it loud for the people in the back.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Salt kills snails, not players. Hello, hello, hello there, my man. Go right there. Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, there go my boy Jeremy. That boy on that pimp talk tonight, Jeremy, I don't know what he got. Hey, him and Ta went on that pimp talk tonight.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I'm like, hey, that ain't my lane, brother.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I stay in my lane.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

That ain't where I live.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, thank you. Thank you for joining us again, brother. Welcome back.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You know, you know. How you feeling, bro? How you feeling tonight, man?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I'm solid, brother.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I was about to go do me

[Jeremy (Guest)]

a little R B karaoke. I get a little call. I said, I gotta go on here with my man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Are you really.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

What am I supposedly down about?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Come on, man. You know how we get down with that karaoke, man.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

No way.

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I'm going.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I'm going to karaoke. Get me on the mic.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, listen, check this out, man. Bam. Bam. Left Braun off his all time top five list. His top five Germans, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Curry, Michael Jordan, Kevin Durant, and Tim Duncan. Jeremy, what's up with this list, bro?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

This.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

This way. You starting this. What you starting with?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We getting right to it.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

That's. That's wild. He might. I don't think he like Ron, you know, that Miami thing.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Smooth say.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Smooth say.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Cause he ain't come to Miami. He like, man, I ain't.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

It's got to be. That Ain't no. Ain't no other reason. You leave that man off your top five list. What are you doing?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You think so?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Ain't no other reason.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I agree. I agree. Because I ain't gonna lie. If I had. If I do a top five, brun definitely in there every time.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

I don't.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I don't know. Yeah, Bam. He. He definitely must be salty that. You know, Brian didn't pick the heat. Jeremy, did you think he was going to the heat, bro?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I thought it was a possibility, but. But I think, man, since they took them chocolate chip cookies, it was over.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

But you ain't have Philly. You ain't have Philly. You ain't have him going to Philly.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Nah, I didn't have. Have him going to Philly, but Philly gonna give him chocolate chip cookies, so

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

he gots to go, hey, hey, Smooth Boogie. Cousin says Tim Duncan needs to be. He needs to be in everyone's top five. He said, chad, let's take a listen to what Boogie said, y'.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

All.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Let's listen to it.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

I don't want to hear no top five without Tim Duncan in it. Like, I respect that, bro.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Ladies and gentlemen, like, that's.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

That's just how I feel.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

I think. I think he's one of the most disrespected, the basketball part. Just winners of all time.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

But.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

But why do you think. I mean, is it the old Navy? Is it the baggy fit? Is it the Birkenstock? It wasn't sexy.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah, it wasn't sexy.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

You know, he wasn't, you know, as marketable as these other guys. And he's not all. I mean, he's almost like a A yokage. Since he stepped foot in the. In the L, he won. He's done nothing but win, I believe. I may be wrong, but from my knowledge, I think he's the most winningest player of all time. So if that's not top five, on top of all the accolades that come with it, I don't. They made the playoffs every year, right? Damn near 2010, you know what I mean? That's incredible.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, guys. Hey, Boogie. Got some valid thoughts. Smooth. What you. What you think about that, bro?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, I mean, when you put it in that perspective, you get to throwing those numbers out there and I agree. I mean, he's definitely a guy that. It's kind of like a step, like Steph Curry did. He. He built. He helped build that San Antonio spurs franchise and he helped Popovic become one of those coaches that was respected for. Still to this day, he's definitely, definitely top five. One of those prototypical fours that. That was probably the best to ever do it.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Oh, for sure.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

German.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

It's hard to leave that man off that list. It's hard to leave him off that list, man, because he did everything you can think of in this game. And he don't get the love because he ain't. He ain't loud, he ain't boisterous, but he get the job done. And ain't many people that love the hard working guy that just gets the job done. Y' all just have one on here. Tony Allen, he don't get the love he deserved, you know, so that's a part of what it is. But real Hoopers know what Tim Duncan did and what he means this game and what in terms of, you know, bringing people along and teaching them the right way to do it.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it's. You know what it is, man? It's because he. He doesn't do it with a flare, you know, he ain't, you know, he just go out there, the big fundamental. Yeah, he just get it done, bro. Like, look, I'm gonna tell you, I played against a few playoff series against him, so. Man. And I think it was 2003 when I first got to Phoenix. Well, that's like my second year in Phoenix when we had Stephon Marbury at the 1, we had Penny Hardaway at the 2, Sean Marion at the 3. I can't remember who was like 4 and 5, but I was backing all these dudes up. But anyway. Oh, it was a mari rookie year and we played against the spurs in the first round. We were the ac. They were one seed. Bro. And, you know, Mari was young, but Tim couldn't stop him. But he couldn't stop Tim neither. But he was hitting them with basic stuff like just turn around, jump hook off the glass, Boom. Huh? Show it up and under, bro. He was so technical and fundamentally sound like it was. It was awesome to watch because guess what? When he got it going. And then you send the double. Now you got Tony Parker. Now you got Ginobly. Now you got Bruce Bowen. You got all these other guys who could. And he knew how to make those guys better. So I know it's hard keeping them at your top five, fellas, but I think it's preference, bro. It's definitely preference.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Give me. Give me your top five power fours, man. Give me, give me. Give me your top five power fours.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Five. Five power fours. I gotta go. Definitely Tim Duncan.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You putting in one?

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Oh, I mean, I would. Yeah, Yeah, I am.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

I am. I am for sure. You got. You got Kevin Garnett.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yes, sir.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

For sure, for sure. Kg, man, I gotta go. Rashid Wallace. Oh, man, that's not in any kind of number.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I seen she give you about. I seen she give you about 36.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

I said damn.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

I said damn.

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[Smooth (Co-host)]

Man, fry me. I'm sitting there trying to wait for him to go to the hole. I'm sitting here scrambling, man. That was. That wasn't a good matchup.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

That wasn't a good matchup.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

All right, you got she. Who was you guys?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, I go James worthy.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Damn. Old school.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, I go old school. Worthy of.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Oh, man. Oh, let me see.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

And Pete, your pops. I know Pete.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Pete was a shooter, though, so, yeah, he had to slide him up a little. A little further on up. So definitely the shooter, man. Who would I say the fifth one would be, man?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You had to go, like.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

I'm gonna have to go Carl Malone.

[Sports News Anchor]

Oh, yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay, Jeremy. Give me. Give me your four. Give me your five power fours in no order.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

It's got to be Tim Duncan. I don't know how he ain't say Charles Barkley. Because what he was doing, he was.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

He wasn't thinking.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take Carl Malone. Give me Charles, man.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

This is my list, brother. This is my list.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Make a trade, man. I'mma trade. Get him on out of there for Mr. Barkley. Mr. Chuck himself.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I gotta go.

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[Jeremy (Guest)]

I gotta throw KG in there because what he. What he meant to his teams stepped on that court. I think you missing Dirk a little bit too oh, and I got. I gotta round this list off with somebody. This is a wild, wild number. But he wasn't a scorer. But he changes teams. Dennis Rodman.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, man. Well, you grew up with Chicago, kid, so it kind of makes sense. I'm saying back then, Jeremy, when you was watching the game, did you really understand it? Like, how old were you?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Hell, no, I ain't understand what was going on. I just knew he made a lot of noise and he colored his hair. I didn't know what was going on. But as I got older and was able to understand, man, that man meant everything to every team he played for.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, my goodness. I know, I know. MJ like a God in Chicago, bro. So going. Growing up there, I could imagine, you know, you being immersed in it because as a kid out of Little Rock German, I ain't missing no games on wgn. I'm catching every game, every night. You know what I mean?

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Absolutely.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

My favorite team. Hey, until chat gonna kill me with

[Jeremy (Guest)]

that, too, but that's okay.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

What's that?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

The chat gonna kill me putting Dennis Robin in there.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, no, no, listen.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Put the mailman in there.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Carl Malone. Hey, bro. The smooth the Bulls was my favorite team. And then when Orlando got Penny, that was like my first NBA game I ever went to. My best friend, bg. His pops. His pops took us. His pops took me. Him and my. My other best friend, Vault, took us to our first NBA game. It was in Memphis. Orlando was playing against the Bulls in Memphis. Scottie Pippen played for the Bulls. You know what I mean? Penny played for Orlando, but he from Memphis. Oh, man. That was like. That was my first NBA game, bro. It was. It was crazy. So I, I, I get it. I get it. Check me out. LeBron compares himself to Roll to the Rolling Stones. Chad. Let's take a listen to LeBron, y'.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

All.

[Sports News Anchor]

Check out us in sports. There's always conversations like, when is he gonna. He needs to retire.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

He's this. He's this age.

[Sports News Anchor]

He's that age.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

But, but why, but why.

[Sports News Anchor]

Why are we trying to force people that's still doing what they do at a high level? Why are we trying to force the narrative of it's time to retire? Look at, like, guys like Bruce Springsteen and, you know, some of the greatest, you know, musicians, they're still on the Stones.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

They just watch the Stones.

[Sports News Anchor]

They've been on tour for 50, 60 years, and no one's telling them, hey, don't come to our city and go, you know, do a tour. So it's like, you know, if we still are dedicating ourselves to the craft, if we are still giving to the sport, if we're not disrespecting the game or just, you know, we're giving everything that we have to the sport and we're still driving revenue as well. Why not, why not still play it if you still love it? So I'm just trying to, you know, squeeze as much of the juice out of it as possible.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Jeremy, tell me what you think, man. You like his mentality, bro?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I can't be mad at that.

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[Jeremy (Guest)]

He can't play no more. I'm. I'm older and still playing right now. No one's retired has ever told me, hey man, retirement's great.

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[Jeremy (Guest)]

So do do what you do.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Bro.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

You still averaging 20. Why would you sit do what you do. I'm on this side. I ain't gonna talk about no Rolling Stones, but I'm on this side.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Smooth. What'd you think?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Smooth.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

I mean I agree with him. I mean I think we had us, we had a discussion about this a couple of days ago when we was talking about how he's going to be missed once he decides to make that decision to retire. And like he said, if he's continued to drive help drive the revenue up with the sport of basketball and the NBA and he's, he's not disrespecting the game when it comes to playing his possessions being played on both ends of the floor. I think that you know, he does deserve to make a decision into whenever he wants to retire, because, I mean, averaging 20, 20 plus, 20 plus points, I don't think that that deserves him having a conversation about him getting, Being retired or anything like that.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

No, I. I agree with y', all, man. I think, I think you should play or if you producing at a high level like he still is at 41, 42 years old, bro. Define the odds. I want to see it defeat them, defeat the eyes, bro. I. I want to see somebody walk that fine line. I want to see Braun play till he 45. Can he still play till he 45 at a high level? So I agree with him, bro.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Doing that with Tom Brady, they was just trying to figure out, is he, Is he coming back?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, it wasn't.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

It was. It wasn'. It wasn't, man. Look, man, we tired.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

We.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Look, man, you need to go and get on out of here. It was never that. We always appreciated what Tom Brady brought to the game of football. Just like we need to appreciate what LeBron is bringing to the game of basketball. For sure.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Because like I always say, bro, he's done so much for the game. And sometimes, man, when you've won so much in life and we've watched this man grow up since he was, what, 17, 18 years old, he's been under the microscope.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Really?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Before that, though, they was clocking them in high school. I say 14, 15.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Think about that smooth, like. And you walk, you have to walk that fine line, bro. And you've been under this microscope, German, your whole entire career, bro. And not only, not only did you meet expectations, you exceeded them. Come on, bro, what are we talking about? So it's kind of hard for me to kind of sit and listen and hear people down, talk that, man. Cause damn, man, when you run, when you run his accolades down and, and really, damn his accolades, let's. I mean, just who he is as a person. I've had time, I've had a chance to really, you know, spend time with him and playing in the usa. So I spent like a month and a half, two months with him. I'm like, man, he's just a great, down to earth dude. You know what I mean? And he's been fortunate enough, bro, and blessed enough to have these skills to where he can put them on display. And we all witnessed like we've done, man. I. I want to see him keep striving for greatness. I want to see him keep pushing the needle. Amen. I want to see the man win Another title. I ain't gonna lie to y', all, bro. As much a Smooth, much as I'm an Atlanta Hawks fan, I want to see Philly. I want to see Philly do good, too, bro. I ain't gonna lie to you. I want to see Philly do good, too.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

So team that's locked in place to do good, they gonna be. They gonna be just fine over there.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

So.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

But.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

But. But.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

But I'm saying. But I'm saying, Jeremy, how long realistically, you know, do you think, you know, he'll be able to continue to play? I mean, I think he finna be 42 right in December. Am I. I think he got two.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I think he got this one and another one after this one coming up.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

So you saying he'll. He'll. He'll finish in 25. He'll do 25 years? I. I think.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Yeah. I think the two years that he signed in Philly will be. Will be his.

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His.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

His farewell tour for the next two years, I guess you could say.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Smooth.

[Amazon Prime Narrator]

What you think?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You think he's just two, or you think he gonna push past that?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

I think he win. Win one this year. I think he gonna retire.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Do you really?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, I think he might chop that one, that two. And the one.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Man, that woman tell y', all, I.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

I think this year probably gonna be over with, man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Listen, I think it's a lot. I think it's a lot harder than what people really think. Meaning, like, once you done playing the game, bro, and you still in good shape and you ain't got no injuries and all that. See, as we. As we age, the reason why we don't really like playing the game, because it hurt. It hurt too damn bad. You know what I mean?

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

You.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You feet hurting, your knees hurt, your hip hurting your back, go to hurting. But if you're able to keep yourself in great shape and keep that great mobility as we age, bro, and you can continue to play at a high

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

level,

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

man, keep playing, bro. I think, dude, I definitely think he gonna get 25 for sure. I think he gonna play this year and next year. Smooth. Regardless of what happened

[Jeremy (Guest)]

standing around at the rings, that's tough.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Oh, no, man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Say what?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Yeah, if they win it around after that ring, that's. I don't blame if you do stay, but. Because you got to run it back.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

But, yeah, hey, bro, it might go to another damn team and go play for somebody else and win. Try to win.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Hey, listen, listen.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Cause y' all know they always start, you know, every time Somebody bring up an argument about who the best player ever played a game. Obviously, MJ the Goat. Brian the Goat. But it's, you know, it's debatable, right? And I just think LeBron know if he can get to six, like, mean, if he win one this year, smooth. They give him five. Boy, please. He come. You don't think he even try to get six, Jeremy, you don't think so?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

100 he trying to get six. Everybody chasing the ghost. He ain't no way now he don't try and get the six.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

You can't help it, bro. I mean, the man award number 23 his whole damn career, man. Ain't no secret, you know what I mean? Hey, but guess what? It don't make him no bad brother, you know, he's still a good. You know what I mean? Don't make him no bad brother.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Absolutely.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, check me out. Former Lakers assistant Lionel Holland shares that LeBron James and Anthony Davis never worked out together, according to Lionel Hollins. LeBron say. LeBron say you have to get up a little early to come work out with me. He's saying that, he's saying, he's saying that ain't, you know, he ain't finna. Basically, if you ain't getting up at 3, 4 in the morning, man,

[Narrator or Additional Guest]

you,

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

me and you ain't gonna never get no workout together. What y' all think about him and AD not, not ever working out?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

It worked out, didn't it?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

They got, I mean, they had a reason, I guess.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

But.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. What I'm. What I'm saying is, Jeremy, imagine If, imagine if A.D. you know, would have stayed healthy. You know, obviously he probably never would have got traded because his productivity that he was given, given the Lakers, him and Braun was a two headed monster, bro. You couldn't stop that.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Yeah. A healthy AD is a top 10 player in the NBA consistently.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Every year.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

That health is heavy, though.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Why was he healthy though?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Why was he healthy?

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[Smooth (Co-host)]

Because he wasn't healthy.

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

Why was he not at 3 in the morning?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

No, I wasn't. I don't think that's why whatever you do at five in the morning, I can do the same thing at 10.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, tell me something. I know me and Jeremy worked out a lot in the summer. Smooth. Did you have anybody? Excuse me. Do you have anybody that you worked out with in the summer? I know we got in a few times in the summer.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

I just, I was like, I was like Giannis, you know what I'm saying? I ain't really want to work out with NBA players, man. Like, what we doing? You know what I'm saying? Edon Ravine. You remember Edon Ravine? I used to work out with him in the summertime. So I used to fly him to, like, Atlanta, Louisiana. You know what I'm saying? Work out at UCLA and I did hoop with NBA players when you did those pickup games and stuff like that. But as far as, like, individual working out, I didn't wanna. I didn't wanna work out with. Work out with nobody because it's like, why would I want to show them when I'm working out, you know what I'm saying, what I'm working out on?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. And you know what, Jeremy? You know a lot of cats, bro. Like, and I was one of them, you know, obviously dudes that I was working out with. I kind of been through the fires with him. Like, it was high school, college, you know, Then we, you know, we, we, we. We was. I was in the pros or we was in the pros, but a lot of cats don't like working out with people, man, Giving away their secrets. And they gyms, you know what I'm saying?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

They love it now, though. They love it now. They love it because they all got the same training. They all doing the same little move.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Is that because it's a different breed? Not smooth, you know what I mean?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

They all spamming the same little move.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Like, Jeremy, I'm gonna keep it real. Like, think about when we was really coming up. I'm saying before we got to the pros, bro, we had no trainers, bro. Like, everybody got a training. Now. Think about it, Jeremy, what you was doing, how was you?

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Getting better pick up and watching.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

And it gets older, playing against all the players. Look, you're playing with your brother, brother friends and stuff like that.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I know y'. All, everybody know about hoops in Chicago. I was 16 at Hoops.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Oh, yeah. Facts. Oh, yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Come up the hoops.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

My brother got me a car. Drive up the hoops.

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[Jeremy (Guest)]

I don't know how to get there. Ain't no GPS at this time.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

They tell you the street name. Look, two lights and turn left and

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

then after them after that.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, you had to remember all that stuff.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I get in the gym and it's all pros. Michael Jordan, all these pros, and out of nowhere, Margo.

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Huh?

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hold on, hold on. So when you was a kid, you saying you, you got. You went to the gym and MJ was in there 16.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Michael Jordan used first time I seen Mike Michael had his hoodie tucked. I said, that's the coolest nigga in the.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Yeah, he had a crew deck tucked in.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I said, yo, I gotta tuck my crew. I gotta tuck in.

[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

Hey, hey, I gotta do it.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey. We always talk about the aura, you know, when you see him, bro. It's kind of like uncle always say. It seemed like he levitating. Hey, but, like, I.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

It was scary, Joe. First time, it was scary.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

But look, check this out. Smooth. You know, I was a brand Jordan athlete for, man, like, for like a decade. So, you know, early in those years, you know, we should take trips, you know, do vacations, meetups. You know what I mean? It should be all that, bro. It was so many commercials out back then, and I was always in awe, you know what I mean? But I always kept it together, you know? I mean, like, I always kept mine kind of took, you know what I mean? I ain't really fanboy like that, but I'm like, damn. You know what I'm saying? Sitting back, just having conversations with him, bro. And those are. Those are times that, you know, I never forget, bro. You know, because I grew up watching this man, idolizing this man and then getting a chance to be a brand Jordan athlete, bro. That was super, super dope. So, Jerem, I couldn't imagine being from Chicago, in Chicago at 16.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Joe, imagine. Imagine going to the man house and playing pickup.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, you was going over there hooping.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

Listen, my AAU coaches, Antoine Walker was my AAU coach. You know, they were tight.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah. Facts.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

They called me up, we going here to play. I got a car. I drive all the way out there. I get to the gate, the big ass 23 on the gate. I'm. I'm excited. I'm locked in already. But they like, yo, he's not gonna play. But we playing at his house. Like, get in, park in the gym. I'm at the far end of the gym, and I turn around and that black walking and I say, oh. And he get out there and play.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

He play.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

I get it. I kid you not. I get a back door live. He's guarding me on the way. I get a back door live. I miss it. Kid you not. He made fun of me. He literally told me, wouldn't miss that if you had on Jordans.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah, that's him. That's him. Smooth. That's him. You can't come around him with nothing else, old man. Nothing. He gonna talk about you, boy. He gonna talk about you. He gonna talk about you. Bro, but I'm telling y', all, man, he was a pleasure to be around. Super motivating, you know, teaching us the business of basketball. And, man, we. Hey, you know, we had bib on. Bill was on yesterday, bro. We used to do these meetups move. And, like, they would show us stuff that's about to come out, and they have all these different shoes, German, you know, all these different Jordans. And, like, they'll let you take a pair of two with you. Yeah, I mean, man, Bibby taking 20 pair of shoes. You know what I'm saying? Hey, Bill was OD with it, but rightfully so, because, you know, him and Ray Allen pretty much kind of right. Started to jump brand.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

But, yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, I'll be a beer was spoiled with it, boy. Hey, give me, give me, Give me one of y' all hardest workouts in the summer, man. Preparing for the. When using the NBA. Give me one of your hardest workouts,

[Jeremy (Guest)]

man, I don't know if it was the hardest. I give you one of my most discouraging workouts. And it was. It was. It was a weak moment for me because, you know, my brother. My brother's a shooter. He shoots the ball. So we got to go around, make 8 out of 10, then 9 out of 10 coming back. He missed the first time I went. I didn't make it the first spot. That boy didn't miss again. And I was mad the entire workout. I was mad. I'm like, yo, I'm not doing this.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, hey. If that boy can't do nothing else, boy, he can shoot the leather off that thing. You hear me do? Yeah, yeah. You hear me?

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Smooth, smooth. You gotta. You got. What's one of your toughest workouts, bro? Them saying dudes.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, I used to go to the running Canyon.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

So, like in la.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. When I. When I used to live out there in la, I do the Running Canyon. I do it twice around. But before that, I get up, I go to this guy named Gunner. You. You ever heard. You ever met Gunner? Man, I used to work out all the. You know, I met him through. Who was it? Through Danny Ferry, because.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah, he went to Duke.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

So when I went out there to meet Danny Ferry, he introduced me to Gunner. Gunner worked out a lot of. A lot of. A lot of players, like Tom Brady, all kind of other players, entertainers. So I get up in the morning, I work out with him. Then I go to the. To the Iranian Canyon.

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[Smooth (Co-host)]

Run your canyon for about,

[Tony Allen (NBA Player, Guest)]

like.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

I do it twice, then I might Go hoop then. If I don't hoop, I do another workout. Then I go. I go work out at, like, 8:00'.

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Clock.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

So I had, like. I had like three workouts, like, every day during the summertime.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

You know, you know you want to hang out at that. You know, you want to hang out at night time, too, so, you know.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Get up and do it all over again. Yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, I already. Hey, Burning both ends of the candle.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Come on, man.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah. Hey, I already know, bro. Look, look, look.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Trying to max it out, you know, we ain't got too much time. We just try to, man. Max it out.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

That's it, bro. I remember Jeremy used to be with me. We used to be down there in Miami at Legacy FIT with my boy manning out there training like a mud.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Is that gym with that? It's kind of small. Got that little turf on it.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, that boy. Hey, he didn't bought the whole. He didn't bought the whole damn block now.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Smooth.

[Sports News Anchor]

Oh, yeah.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

That jam used to be lit, but I. I threw up in that gym,

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

and that's the plan.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Yeah, yeah. Trying to do it to you.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

He won them trainers.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, you walking there. Are you a professional athlete? You posed to be, like, something. Oh, you come train with me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boy, you finna be calling Earl in.

[Smooth (Co-host)]

Like, I worked out with Rondo with. When he went. When I went down there with Rondo, I'm like, oh, home's tripping.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Oh, yeah.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, he ain't playing. He ain't playing. He was. He was something different. Y' all, give me a second. Give me a second. Give me a second.

[Jeremy (Guest)]

8:00am we in that gym right after that basketball later that day, and we working out again after that. Yeah, I'm young at the time. All I want to be around is and learn as much as I can. It was a good time for sure.

[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

Hey, look, we got another special guest.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

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No idea. Last week it was D Dinosaurs.

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

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[Josh Smith (Co-host)]

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[ISO Joe (Podcast Host)]

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[Jeremy (Guest)]

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