Nightcap Hour 3: Malik Beasley INDICTED in NBA Betting SCHEME + Chris Johnson DIAGNOSED With ALS + Lions RELEASE Terrion Arnold

Summary

Nightcap Hour 3: Malik Beasley, Chris Johnson, and Terrion Arnold – Episode Summary

Podcast: Nightcap – Shay Shay Media & Playmaker
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc"), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho"), ISO Joe Johnson
Date: June 30, 2026
Episode Theme:
A raw, emotional, and unfiltered roundtable on three major sports stories: the NBA betting scandal with Malik Beasley, Chris Johnson’s ALS diagnosis, and the Lions’ release of Terrion Arnold. The conversation ranges from tough financial choices and personal struggles of athletes, to discussions of loyalty, community, and the reality of loss—both in sports and life.

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1. NBA Betting Scandal: Malik Beasley Indictment

Overview

• Topic: Former NBA players Malik Beasley, Ed Davis, and an agent indicted for game manipulation and sports betting fraud in 2023–24.
• Details: Beasley allegedly underperformed in at least four Bucks games to ensure prop bet payouts for a betting ring that included Davis as "Beasley’s gatekeeper."
• Financials: More than $75,000 wagered; $121,000 net winnings; Beasley made ~$60M in career earnings.
• Consequences: Beasley’s career likely over; condemnation from hosts; concerns about athlete vulnerabilities and systemic issues.

Key Moments & Quotes

• Unfiltered reactions to the scam (02:59–06:56):

  • Ocho: "Why are they even taking the chance...when you can’t control...well, they can control." (05:29)
  • ISO Joe: "It's foul, bro. It's foul on so many levels...there ain’t no place...no place in the game for you." (04:45)
  • Joe: “How we gonna know if you throwing games or not?” (05:10)

• On financial addiction and bad choices (07:07–10:12):

  • Ocho: "Once they get them hooks in you, they got you. All you got to do it is one time." (06:56)
  • ISO Joe: "I don't get it, bro. I'm sorry. I don't get it." (07:07)

• Breaking down why wealth doesn’t prevent bad decisions (09:00–12:42):

  • Ocho calculates Beasley’s earnings, deductions, and possible savings: "You get your agent his little fight, 3–5%...after everything, he brought home 32...put 20mil up...pay me about a million, two million five, never touch the principal..." (09:26–10:12)

• On the psychology and traps of gambling (13:22–15:58):

  • Ocho: "I can't do it. I'm too cheap. And I definitely ain't throwing games." (10:35)
  • ISO Joe: "I'm too cheap. I worked too hard to intentionally...intent, premeditation—that's what get you." (10:41–10:53)
  • Joe shares his limit: "I get 200 out the ATM. Once that 200 is gone, I'm done." (14:33)

• The lure and risk of prop betting (17:02–18:43):

  • Ocho: "Once I get the hooks in you, you got no choice...these prop bets are where it’s at." (17:31)
  • ISO Joe: "It’s about 40 guys in college basketball that should have got caught up in this...it’s probably a lot of other guys doing it, too, just didn’t get caught." (18:09)

• On Beasley’s financial struggles (21:47):

  • Ocho: "A judge ordered him to pay $1 million to his former agency...evicted from a high rise...after landlord sued him for $21,500 unpaid rent...He was negotiating a 3-year, $42M deal with the Pistons. That went away." (21:47)
  • Joe: "...Got to be living beyond their means too..." (22:54)

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2. Chris Johnson Diagnosed with ALS

Overview

• Topic: Former Titans RB Chris Johnson (“CJ2K,” age 39) reveals ALS diagnosis—progressing rapidly; his mind intact but his body failing.
• Discussion: Deeply personal segment as hosts reflect on mortality, caregiving, and the unseen battles of public figures.

Key Moments & Quotes

• Johnson’s own words (30:15):

  • Ocho reading CJ2K’s message (through a voice synthesizer):
    “It’s continued to progress much faster than I ever imagined. I want people to understand just how quickly ALS can attack your body...People sometimes look at the physical disability and assume you’re not the same person inside. I still think the same. I still dream, I still love my family. My body just doesn’t cooperate. Man, this broke my heart." (30:15–31:05)

• Personal stories about illness and loss (31:05–39:12):

  • ISO Joe on losing his mother: "Just to go from walking around talking, cooking, having a good time...to was bed rest, couldn’t move nothing but her eyes, bro." (32:37–33:15)
  • Ocho: "To come out there and to give anything less than my best...Is to cheat a man, is to rob him of his dignity." (20:23–20:24; recall to earlier ethics segment)
  • Reflection: "My grandma said, boy, we all got an appointment we can't reschedule." (35:41)

• On the pain of helplessness (42:21–43:59):

  • Ocho: "Whatever you think you’re going through...somebody’s going through something much worse..." (42:23–42:31)
  • Joe: "We all just want to help and...we just want to be able to not be a joke. You couldn’t help your mom. I couldn’t help Granny. His family can’t help him. It’s in God’s hands now..." (43:31)

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3. Lions Release Terrion Arnold – Legal Troubles

Overview

• Topic: Detroit Lions release rookie Terrion Arnold following charges of kidnapping and robbery; held on $1M bond.
• Reaction: Sober reflection on decision-making, the peril of bad influences, and how quickly success can be lost.

Key Moments & Quotes

• Case details & consequences (45:22–48:30):

  • Ocho: "Lions have released Terry and Arnold. Arnold was facing life in prison on kidnapping and robbery charges..." (45:22)
  • Joe: "You got to make better decisions, Uncle Joe. We got to make better decisions. The people around you...they also have to make better decisions." (48:40–49:11)

• On athlete responsibility & peer influence (49:12–51:45):

  • ISO Joe: "Some people ain't thinking like that...Some people don't think logically when they feel disrespected..." (49:12)
  • Joe: "...Once you make it, man, whatever it was they stole...listen, my homeboys, we ain't gonna worry about that." (49:38)
  • Ocho: "That should be the least of his worries. He could possibly spend the rest of his damn life in jail...My life worth more than anything that I've ever owned. I gotta make it home to my kids..." (50:25–51:45)

• On community, discipline, and changing times (52:19–56:12):

  • Joe: "If the athletes not going to have a sound mind, somebody in your circle got to have it." (52:22)
  • Ocho on his upbringing: "I had something you didn't have. I had Mary Porter." (57:45)

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4. Memorable Quotes & Reflections

• "There ain’t no money in cures. Money’s in treatment." (43:31, Ocho on the medical system and ALS)
• "Some things have to be offered without an explanation. Everything isn’t meant to be explained, Chad." (16:14, ISO Joe on the inexplicable nature of some choices)
• "We all got an appointment we can't reschedule." (35:41, Ocho’s grandmother’s wisdom)
• “If you got bad habits, all money does is magnify it. A guy that go broke with fifty million, he went broke with a hundred million.” (25:54–26:14, Ocho on financial responsibility)
• “To give anything less than my best is to cheat a man, is to rob him of his dignity.” (20:24, Ocho on sportsmanship)
• “If they not going to respect us, let us not disrespect us.” (51:45, Laurie Hill quote via Ocho)

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5. Other Noteworthy Segments

• Q&A Banter (62:56+): The hosts debate who’d be the best soccer goalie among themselves, bringing levity and playful trash talk.
• Devonte Adams Route-Running Breakdown (72:18+): Ocho breaks down why Adams is elite: "He used the same move every single time, and it worked every single time."
• On Loyalty in Sports (73:53+): Contrast between expectations of player loyalty and how franchises rarely reciprocate; examples from NBA/NFL history.

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Important Timestamps

• Malik Beasley betting scandal deep-dive: (02:59–26:14)
• Chris Johnson ALS diagnosis & hosts’ personal stories: (26:19–44:35)
• Terrion Arnold’s legal trouble and community reflections: (45:22–51:45)
• Perspectives on decision-making, discipline, and athlete responsibility: (52:19–58:39)
• Listener Q&A, sports banter, and closing reflections: (62:56–end)

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Tone & Style

Frank, direct, and heartfelt, mixing locker-room storytelling, moral tough love, reminiscence, and genuine empathy. The hosts—each with hard-won wisdom—move seamlessly from high-stakes sports analysis to emotional personal narratives, never shying away from the consequences of fame, fortune, and life’s fragility.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a powerful illustration of why Nightcap connects: it's less about hot takes, more a community reckoning on personal choice, loyalty, and humanity behind the headline. Whether you follow the NBA or NFL, you’ll gain a deeper sense of what athletes face off the field—and the values that endure long after the games end.

Transcript

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[Chad Ocho]

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[Chad Ocho]

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[Chad Ocho]

Former NBA players Malik Beasley and Ed Davis and an NBA agent on among the six defendants indicted Monday on charges related to an alleged sports gambling scheme that targeted and at least four games during the 202324 seasons, according to the indictment. Beasley lost millions of dollars gambling during his nine year NBA career. He agreed to manipulate his statistics ahead of at least four games during the 2324 season while he was with the Milwaukee Bucks so that co conspirators could wager on the stats, according to the indictment. The indictment included examples of wages totaling more than 75,000 with net winnings of at least 121,000. Beezer received bribes from co conspirators often used to reduce the pay pay off debts o Davis, prosecutors alleged in the indictment. The two were teammates in Minnesota with the Minnesota timberwolves during the 2021 season. Davis was known in the scheme as Beasley's gatekeeper, prosecutors alleged. Only way you can beat Vegas is sports betting. Davis text Beasley during the 2023 season, according to the indictment. We can make some good points, dang money. A month later, Beasley informed Davis that he intended to underperform on rebounding in a January 26, 2024 game between the Bucks and the Cavaliers, according to the indictment. The defendants and their co conspirators placed numerous fraudulent wages totaling tens of thousands of dollars conditioned on the defendant Malik Beasley under rebound prop bets, the indictment alleges. Beasley finished with three rebounds under the betting line of three and a half at some sports books.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's a a I can't. I don't know how to cut it or slice it for you. It's foul, bro. It's foul on so many levels this is true and it just ain't no place. It's no place in the game for you, okay, Ocho? You look at the swordsby kid. Hell, he don't deserve to be in no damn draft he don't need.

[Chad Ocho]

They won't let him come to the NFL cat and say n we a who you be up here throwing our game, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How we gonna know? How we gonna know we bring you on as I as a member of our team, how we gonna know if you throwing games or not?

[Chad Ocho]

Come on bro. I'm just look, help me understand, Uncle Joe. Everything ain't for me to understand. So, Joe. Oo. I ain't f. To hold you.

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[Chad Ocho]

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[Joe]

Help me understand something. As somebody that don't gamble, right? As somebody that, that has millions, you know, and people that throw money away and you gamble and you already make millions. But what you gambling is not getting you nowhere near what you're already making. So I'm trying to understand where's the, where's the excitement? Where's the adrenaline rush if you're already making millions? And the, the chump. Excuse me. I don't mean to just be disrespectful. I'm not saying it's chump change. I'm saying it's chump change to someone already making an excessive amount of money. Why are they even taking the chance and doing it? Especially when you can't control. Well, they can control.

[Chad Ocho]

Actually, he can control the outcome. That's. You hear what Ed Davis said? That's the only way you can beat Vegas. Yeah, they set the line. We come under, or we bet. You go over. Now all of a sudden. Hey, now I'm looking at him sideways. Joe, remember when K. Cunningham passed him that ball last year and the ball went through his last year? You remember that joke? I'm looking at it. Do you remember? Hey, they had a. The game was like, was seven and a half. They was up by nine. He got the ball, went all the way down the court and dunked the ball. We don't think nothing about it. We like. Oh, man, he. Now you, now you looking sideways.

[Joe]

Yeah, but Unc, it's not enough money. It ain't even worth it based on what you.

[Chad Ocho]

But once. But see, here's the thing. Once they get them hooks in you, they got you. All you got to do it is one time. And they got you because. Hey, hey, all you got to do it is one time.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because I'm trying to see how the hell he get in debt. You know, you get in debt doing this and the type of money that you're making, like, are you making this money for, for some cats who, you know, obviously need it. But I, I, I still, I don't, I don't get it, bro. I'm sorry. I don't get it.

[Chad Ocho]

The only way you can beat Vegas is sports betting. Davis text Beasley in December 2023, according to the indictment. Why would you take something like that from your phone,

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[Chad Ocho]

You better go get your ass to throw away.

[Joe]

Hey, probably not even thinking, though.

[Chad Ocho]

Of course not.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

I don't want no part of that, man. Hey, I had a partner told me, hey, man, I need you. Hey, I want to buy. You know, I got a real. I got a legitimate job. Hey, and I want you to go. You know, I'm gonna give you the cash. And you go, oh, no, I know the minute she said cash, I said, no, I'm good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Chad Ocho]

Hey, you know what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It is unfortunate because guys like him and Terry Roer, they never gonna play in the league again. Uncle. Oh, it's over with. I can't see no. Ain't no. Ain't nobody dealing with that, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

Nope.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, and. And when you think about it, damn. Detroit could have used Beasley in this postseason run. They had

[Chad Ocho]

Joe, you remember when he passed the ball and he had a shot at the clock and, and, and. And Cunningham threw it to him. And what he do, Joe. Now people looking crazy. People like, damn, how he missed that shot.

[Joe]

Hey, that's crazy.

[Chad Ocho]

It's stuff like this when it happens. People say, see, I told you. People say, I told you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Get a game, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

How much, Ash? How much. How much did Beasley make in the

[ISO Joe Johnson]

career he got, bro?

[Chad Ocho]

How much? How much is enough? But see, Joe, that Ocho, that's what. That's what Joe was telling you.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

You see, if he blows 60 million, he'd blow 100 million. He made 60 million, Ocho. Let's just say after taxes, let's just say that's $36 million.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

You get your agent, his little fight. You look 3 to 5%, whatever that is. Let's just say after they. Everything he brought home, 32. Let's just make it a round number. 30 million. He buy everything that he need. Woo, woo, woo, woo. Got me a nice crib. Got me a nice little car. Got my mom a nice little car. I got 20 million. I put 20 million up on a bad year, It'll probably save me somewhere between 6 and 8% good years. It'll pay me 10 or 12 now. I'm just being solid. Yeah. I can get in something that's gonna, you know, you maybe might make me 15, 20, but there's a huge 15 20, man. That mean the thing is gonna come down here. You're gonna be three, two to four. I just want something level six to eight. Six to eight. Six to eight. Ocho and Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

Six to eight percent. Pay me about a million. Two million, five. Never touch the principal. I'm just living my back a good year. 10 to 12. Pay me 2. 2.2. Never touch the principal. Just living off that. I don't

[Joe]

I can't. I can't do it. But I'm too. I'm too cheap. Forget that. And I definitely ain't throwing no games.

[Chad Ocho]

No, I. I couldn't, man. I worked too hard. Oo. I worked too hard. I did. I worked too hard to do. To. To. To. To intentionally think about it. Intent, premeditation.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

That's what get you intent. Forethought. You thought about this before? Come on, man. Come on, be Ed. Really? Ed. Hey, I remember Ed. Dav. If I'm not mistaken, I think Ed Davis was ACC conference player of the. The tournament. ACC conference player. He had a monster. He went to North Carolina. I remember Big lefty. Yes. Hey, look that up. If I'm not mistaken, I think he was ac. I think he was conference player of the ACC tournament. He was phenomenal.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn, man.

[Joe]

I don't.

[Chad Ocho]

I don't get it. Guys, guys, you. How much is enough? You make. You made 60 million. I mean, but you hear the thing. Remember last year, the Detroit up in Detroit say the penthouse. He wasn't paying that. He wasn't paying that. How you getting people stuff? It won't pay them. How you get people? Why you go get them? My brother said, boy, I don't know why that he wouldn't got that man issued more faith leader people stuff alone. I. I don't get it, Chad.

[Joe]

I don't know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't get it neither, man, for Said. Because that's chump change compared to what you making, man.

[Chad Ocho]

Think about. Think about it, Joe. They said they was betting. Bet. The example of wages was 75, more than 75,000. Net winnings of 121. Now I'mma win 121,000, but I'm making 9, 10 million a year. Now y' all do the math. Come on, chat. You hustling backwards.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You ain't. Hey, they ain't thinking they gonna get called though.

[Chad Ocho]

Ocho Joe, my grandpa used to tell me, boy, you must be selling your money. He said, I could have swole. He said, you must be selling. You must be selling 20 for 5. Cause ain't no way, ain't no way. You just had. I just gave you X, and here you are, come back with you got. He had to be selling his money. Now, if you want to go broke, that's the best way. That's the quickest way to do it. You say, well, how somebody make 50 million, 100 million or $200 million?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

There you go. They gonna get ready.

[Chad Ocho]

Because guess what? When you get down, because let Me tell you how it happened. Let me tell you how it happened, Joe, because you don't gamble. Yeah, I'm betting a thousand dollars a hand. Let's just say I go, I go on a cold run. I lose 10 hands in a row. 10,000. So guess what I'mma do?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Double it up.

[Chad Ocho]

I'mma bet 10,000. I'mma bet 2,000 or I'mma bet 5,000? The next hand. Now. Oh, down in the hole. I'm 50,000 down. I only had a marker, but they know I'm good for it. I'm gonna get me another marker for 50,000.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't never played them games.

[Joe]

Y' all tripping.

[Chad Ocho]

Let me tell you. I go.

[Joe]

Y' all tripping the car.

[Chad Ocho]

But see, here's the thing. What you don't realize the cars don't know you winning or losing.

[Joe]

Hey, I'm starting to think some of that stuff real.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What?

[Joe]

Cause you know, hey, Joe, you know I don't really do no heavy gambling now, right? You know, when I go to Vegas and I hit the casino, I play, I play a little blackjack.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. When you say. Hold on. When you say you don't do no heavy gambling. What, what's what? What you playing a hand?

[Joe]

The only thing I do is I play blackjack. The 25 tables, that's, that's the highest. I'm going, Joe, I get 200 out the ATM. Once that 200 is gone, I'm done. I'm done. And the last time I played, I played 200. I got my chips and I won 700. And I got up out of there. I ain't been back on it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So you're doing, you do it more for the sport. Like, you know, you, you know you like to have a little fun, gamble

[Chad Ocho]

a little bit, have a little fun. He ain't got nothing to do with killers. Time.

[Joe]

Yeah, hey, that and, and Joe, you know, they let you, they let you smoke your cigar.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So, you know, I'm sitting there, I'm content. You know, I got my little coke, I got my little cigar. Then the people sitting next to me, they helping me because I don't really understand the game like that. I just know I got to be that goddamn dealer. I know that.

[Chad Ocho]

Yeah, they'll let you. They'll let you ain't playing with 25 a hand. Yeah, you up that at it. They gonna let you talk. They gonna let you say nothing. Yeah, they don't care no $25.

[Joe]

Hey, yeah, I, I, I ain't up for nothing. Don't worry about that. I. I just. I just stick to that. I bought my little Joe. I ain't been back on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, playing 25 a hand here. They help you win a couple of hands.

[Chad Ocho]

You probably should. Hey, you want to split? You probably split that. They talking to you like that. Start playing A thousand.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

2500.

[Chad Ocho]

5, 10, 2550, 100.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Chad Ocho]

you can swear them deal. You think the dealers mute.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's how it happened, boy.

[Chad Ocho]

I. I just. I. I look, hey, and I understand. I understand. But, bro, you made $60 million. You making eight. You making five, six, eight, $9 million a year. And you want to fix a game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, you can't understand now.

[Chad Ocho]

I don't. I can't. Some things ain't. Some things they forced, you know, Some things have to be. You know, you. It's offer without an explanation. Everything isn't meant to be explained, Chad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. But to throw your career down the drain like that, bro,

[Joe]

I think. I think. I think it's something deeper. Some deeper. I think they. They.

[Chad Ocho]

It's an addiction.

[Joe]

I think somebody forcing them to do it. They do it one time, and I think once they end, they can't. They. Once they in, they can't get out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, but how you can't get out? Oh, joke.

[Chad Ocho]

If you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Let's say, let's say, let's say you do got somebody who you owe 200 grand. Hell, you making 12 million.

[Chad Ocho]

Oh, but here's the thing, though, Joe. You already done did it one time. I'm gonna go tell the feds you did it. You drop. Hey, hey. I'm gonna make this one run. I'm gonna drop this package off, and I'm out. And you, somebody. Well, you already did it. I'm gonna tell them you made a drop.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Now that's eight. That's dead now. It's a dangerous game you playing, boy.

[Chad Ocho]

There. Yeah, once I get the hooks in you, you got no choice. Now you. Now you got it. Every time I say, hey, I need you to come into under. Cause these prop bets are where it at. Think about it. How long they gonna say in the last lamp, though? Who gonna win the coin toss? What color the Gatorade gonna be? Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

Who scored the first touchdown? Ocho. Who cuts the first pass? Who has the rush? The first rushing touchdown. Who gets the first sack? Will there be a safety in the game? Will there be a return in the game?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, while y' all playing, though, it's about 40. 40 guys in college basketball that should have got caught up. You Know, in this type of scandal, they. They call. They say there's about 40 different guys who got caught up in doing stuff like this. Yes, in college basketball, Ocho. So listen. Yeah, these guys got caught. But what I'm saying is it's probably a lot of other guys doing it, too, here. They just didn't get caught. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Right? Yes, sir.

[Chad Ocho]

Me, I ain't gonna lie to you guys. I just can't. I just can't cheat nobody out of their money. I just ain't wired like that. I can't. I can't, man. People hurt you about their money. We had talked about this last night. Oh, yeah, People hurt you about them. People will hurt you for less than the kind of money that they're gambling, let alone they find out you cheat them. Where I'm from, you cheat somebody out of $50 deal that you have, let alone 500. Hey, a thousand. Do you know how much a thousand dollars is?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

In Glenville, I seen somebody about to get down on the boy for $20, man. He thought a man cheated about $20. Ready to kill him. Yeah,

[Chad Ocho]

Joe, I don't see. And say, look here, man. Don't we worry about here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm right.

[Chad Ocho]

The money, right? Nah, I want your money. This ain't cheating, man.

[Tab Ramos]

Here.

[Chad Ocho]

Yeah, take the money. It's only $40. Here's a Honda.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's the principle to them, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

It is.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You think you can get over on me? Yeah, it is,

[Chad Ocho]

man. I'm telling, man. I'm telling. I couldn't, though, Joe. I couldn't. But first of all, I couldn't do that to my teammates because I know how hard some of them work and the effort that we put in during the course of the week, the meetings, the practice, just everything. And to come out there and to give anything less than my best.

[Joe]

I can't.

[Chad Ocho]

Is to cheat a man, is to rob him of his dignity. Is to give anything less than your best, you devalue him.

[Joe]

I can't do it.

[Chad Ocho]

My goodness gracious, bro. I sure hope. I just. I. I just hope this is like

[ISO Joe Johnson]

a big misunderstanding, but ain't no misunderstanding. You see what's going on? Yeah,

[Chad Ocho]

I just. I just. I just couldn't do it. Hey, hey. They got you supposed to catch. Catch five passes. You just need to catch four. I couldn't. I couldn't do that, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You couldn't. Hey, hey. You couldn't because you couldn't imagine somebody doing it to you if it was one of your Teammates. Yeah, you couldn't.

[Chad Ocho]

You know how hard you, how much work you put in.

[Joe]

Hey, if I'm catching five passes, I'm supposed to catch five. They got me slated to catch five. I, I'm catching five. Hell, I might catch seven.

[Chad Ocho]

I, that's what I'm thinking. Oh, oh, I sure hope somebody bet the over because I'm sure trying to get it. I just, I mean, I just, I, I just hate you guys. Put yourself in this predicament.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

And now, now they're going to go back. Beasley has struggled financially in recent years. A judge ordered him to pay 1 million to his former agency last March, which alleged in a lawsuit that Beasley had failed to pay back a $650,000 marketing advance. He was evicted from a high rise apartment in Detroit last summer after the landlord sued him for $21,500. Excuse me, $21,505 in unpaid rent. According to court records. News of a federal investigation into Beasley broke. Whereas he was negotiating a three year, 42 million dollar deal with the Detroit Pistons last year. That went away.

[Joe]

He went through that money though, huh?

[Chad Ocho]

So that have been $14 million a year. Maybe he could have cleared it up. But I'm just, But, but, but bro, what you doing? Somebody got to be living beyond their means too. Don't Joe. Ocho.

[Joe]

Wait, beyond, Way beyond. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got caught up in something

[Joe]

way beyond.

[Chad Ocho]

I got what I got. I got what I got. I got what I got. I got a nice home. As long as I got running water and central heating cooling, it's better than anything I ever grew up in.

[Joe]

Yeah, you good, huh?

[Chad Ocho]

I'm good. I'm great. At some point in time, there has to come a time where you stop trying to impress somebody. We've all been that, Joe. We've all had it. We had little, we got a little jury, Ocho. We had to get us a call. We had the kicks. We. I get it, Chad. I'm not going to tell you sit here and lie to you that I didn't go through a phase like, hey, but when you sit down and think about it, you're like, okay, I can drive one car.

[Joe]

That's it.

[Chad Ocho]

I can live in one house. Okay. I got a place in Atlanta. I got a place here in Vegas. I don't need a place in Miami. I don't need a place in la. I don't need four, five houses.

[NBC News Announcer]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

I mean, when I went, when I went to get a, get, get this house and the guy was looking at Me like, well, damn, you ain't got no debt. I'm like, am I supposed to have some? Joe? I didn't know that was the objective. I thought the objective was not to have that. But people like, they like debt.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Like, hold on.

[Chad Ocho]

And guess what? If you pay off your debt, it dropped your credit score. I like, what? Damn, I said no. I don't want no. Hey, well, you know, you can, you can borrow it more than. No, I want the loan for this amount. I don't need what I need extra million for to walk around in my pocket. I know what I. What did the loan, what did I ask for? Can I get that? I just don't get it, guys. I don't get it, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know, man.

[Joe]

Damn,

[Chad Ocho]

Man. Had everything. About to sign a 14 million dollar year deal for three years and maybe that could have cleared everything. No, it wouldn't. He'd have been. Yeah, because now he has more money to gamble,

[Joe]

man, that's crazy.

[Chad Ocho]

Because if you buy ish and you get more money, what you gonna do

[Joe]

is buy more ish. Buy more ish.

[Chad Ocho]

We don't become more fiscally responsible, more prudent, the more we make. If you got bad habits, all money does is made it. Yep, that's all it does. A guy that go broke with a 50 million, he went broke with 100 million.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Chad Ocho]

Sad news today, guys. I know you've all heard about it by now. Former Titans running back Chris Johnson, CJ Tuesday announced on Good Morning America that he has been diagnosed with als, more commonly known as Lou Gehrig disease. At the age of 39, Johnson, who's no longer a verbal due to the progression of.

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[Chad Ocho]

I hate to say it, but I

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don't trust much of anything.

[Chad Ocho]

It's the rage bait.

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[Sports Commentator]

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[News Skeptic]

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[Chad Ocho]

Using speech generated device controlled by his eyes, Johnson was able to record his voice so that the computer sounds just like him. It's continued to progress much faster than I ever imagined. I want people to understand just how quickly ALS can attack your body. Just over a year ago, I was picking up my 7 year old daughter so she could make a wish on a birthday cake. Today I couldn't do that. Johnson added that many people don't realize that with als your mind is still is. Your mind still stays sharp. People sometimes look at the physical disability and assume you're not the same person inside. I think, I still think the same. I still dream, I still love my family. My body just doesn't cooperate. Man, this broke my heart.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that one hurt.

[Chad Ocho]

I had a former teammate.

[News Skeptic]

Yes.

[Chad Ocho]

O.J. brigance. I don't know if you play with ball to play with me. And in Baltimore, Joe and Ocho, we call him Juice. And man, if I, I think Juice is still around, but I think Juice might have had this. He might have had. He might have been dealing with it for about 15 years. It's normally quick. It's normally the partner from what you call them. Remember the, the guy from New Orleans, Ocho, the one that blocked the kick with Katrina at the Falcons? Yeah, he has it. Yeah. Steve Gleason, man, He said just a year ago. And just like that. But he says he gonna fight. I mean obviously, you know, he's in clinical trials trying a lot of different drugs. And I heard the lady was speaking. Says it's, it's helped some but. Listening at, listening, listening to him talk. He said, the doctor said get your fares.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Joe]

That's crazy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I've been there, boy. Telling you, Uncle Ojo, I've been there, bro.

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Hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Took my mom to the, to the hospital on, on Christmas thinking it was just gonna be a quick checkup. Hell, she didn't get out of there the February and doc told us that. Told us to. To our face, me and her. He said, hey, she won't make it another six months. Hell, he knew it was gonna be a lot damn sooner than that. You feel what I'm saying? And think about it. Just to go from walking around talking, cooking, having a good time, holding her grandchild, to couldn't. I'm talking about to was bed rest. Couldn't move nothing but her eyes, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I seen it, bro. I know what it looked like.

[Chad Ocho]

You said she had cancer.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, she had multiple. Myeloma yeah, it just. And they break you down. Like, she lost weight so quick. Next thing you know, like, it were, people come by the house. She was like, tell them.

[Chad Ocho]

Tell them I'm sleep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

She wouldn't want to see nobody. She didn't want to. She didn't want nobody to see her like that. I'm talking about it could be people who she grew up with, who've been with her the whole nine outside of me, my grandmother and my uncles. Man, listen. Hey, bro, that's hard, bro. Hey, when I seen that. When I seen that today, bro, I seen that, I was like, wow.

[Chad Ocho]

It is 39. 39 years old.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. Life is precious, bro. It is, man.

[Chad Ocho]

But. And. And when that doctor. When that doctor. Because he told my sister, he said the same thing about my grandma. He told my sister, said, you have everything in order, because it's not gonna be very many more times. Ms. Sharp, we're gonna call you. But my grip. But the thing is, Ocho, they know it. My grip. Man, that man came in there because, you know, he always up, you know, doctor, they want to be upbeat. They want to keep in a positive frame of mind. He said, how you doing today, Ms. Porter? She saying, yeah, just like that. Just like that. I mean, he came in there happy. Ms. Porter, how you?

[Joe]

Good.

[Chad Ocho]

How you doing? It's so good to see you. How we doing today? She told him, just like that, Ocho. She said, I ain't doing good. I'm dying. He said, Ms. Porter, don't say that. Libby said, granny don't talk like that. She said, yeah, I'm dying. I know. Just like that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, man, that's exactly how it is, bro. I'm telling you. I know what you're talking about. Huh? My mama looked me dead in my eyes, and she asked me, am I dying? Hell, I knew she was. I couldn't tell her. Yeah, hey, I know exactly what you mean.

[Chad Ocho]

Why, yes. And you know, she's always been strong. I ain't really see, my. When my grandfather died, Granny didn't cry, so she got to be strong. So I got to be strong for her.

[Joe]

I can't cry, right?

[Chad Ocho]

That's where the term came from. She said, boy, we all got an appointment. We can't reschedule. We all got to do it, son. I just dropped my head, Man,

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[Chad Ocho]

like I said, I'm a baby. She always called me. That's what she called me. That's. Oh, she. My mama comes. She's. Oh, that's my baby. She said I had Him. She say, so that's my baby. And she was in Claxton Hospital. And I had told Lib, I said, let me go home, I'll stay. I got it from here. Living had already got me a room at the. The whole. At the hotel, at the motel. It's. I could walk, but I draw. It's like two minutes. It's right there on 301. So she wanted a shrimp dinner. I say, well, I said, maybe where we go get a shrimp dealer place? She says, the place right up there. It's right down there from such and such. Okay. I went, got a shrimp dinner. I said, you know, I said, granny, these people know you. You eating shrimp in here. She told me, it's better than the

[ISO Joe Johnson]

food they begin me.

[Chad Ocho]

The food they give me. Killing me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

She said, boy, I want a shrimp dinner. I want some of the. More what they call them, what they call them, Libby, the more corn dog.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

So I go get a hush puppet. I said, well, Libby, go ahead and go. I let Libby go home because Libby was there every day. From the time my grandmother went to Glenville Hospital. Even when she went to Claxton to have stuff done, my sister was right there with her. So I told Libby, let Libby go, man. Ocho. So I said, well, I must. I said, I'm.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm staying.

[Chad Ocho]

I'm gonna stay until she go to sleep, right? Every time I moved, Granny would wake up, where you going? I say, well, I was gonna go. She like, nah, baby, don't. I stayed as long as I could. I mean, man, I'm sick because I'm sitting in that chair, man. I was like, oh, my back killing me. So I waited. I let her get into a deep, deep, deep sleep. It probably like 1 o' clock before I got up out of there, left, came back. When I came back that morning, I barely beat Libby in the room. She talking about, where you been? You must have went, you must be waiting. I don't know. I did, but, man, man, but they, Joe, they know. They know. And you know, I'm just like you said, you know, just be positive. Try to keep it a positive frame of mind. But my grandma had them. My grandma had done made peace.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's the hardest thing, boy.

[Chad Ocho]

That's it. When they make peace with it and I have it. My grandma said, boy, I don't live a great life. I don't raise my kids. Raise you, you three. Yeah. She say, baby, we all gotta do it. We all gotta do it, son. Grant, I want you to know that

[ISO Joe Johnson]

ain't easy by no man.

[Chad Ocho]

Oh, yeah. I don't. I don't care if she lived to be 125, right? I still wasn't ready to let her go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

And, yo, my grandma is like your mom, Joe. Your mom thought you hung the moon.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep. Well, many nice boy. Hey,

[Chad Ocho]

I just feel so bad for the man. He got, what, four kids? I think he got four kids, Ocho?

[Joe]

Yeah, three. Yeah, because he has a daughter. No, I think three.

[Chad Ocho]

He got three?

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Two twins and a daughter. Two son, two boys.

[Chad Ocho]

39, man. Yeah, that man 39 years young.

[Joe]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Chad Ocho]

Look, some. It happens quick. I've seen guys have it, and then within two years, they're gone. And like I said, I think Steve Gleason is still alive. And he's had it for at least 15 years old. Juice has had it for at least that long. There ain't no look. Yeah, he said, this is taking control. His mind is still sharp. He knows who he is. He. He's just trapped inside that body and can't do anything physically. That's the hardest thing. When you've been mobile. Guys see somebody that's. That's never. That's never had the ability to see. They don't know what they're missing. Not seeing anything because they've never seen someone that's not been able to walk or someone that's born without arm. They don't know what they're missing because they never had it. But to have it and to not.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's tough, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

And for his kids to see him like this, like you said, I mean, a picture that. A picture of health. Say, you know, just my grip strength wasn't what it was once was. You know, drop stuff. You don't think, you know, hey, getting old. It's a sign of getting old. My grandma used to have us. Hey, hey, boy. Open this for your granny. You know, jar, whatever case, soda, whatever it is. Damn, Chris,

[Joe]

Man, I hate to even think about that, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't gonna lie. I couldn't even watch the whole thing.

[Chad Ocho]

When it said, you know, Because I'm like, think about it. Oh, so I'm hearing. I'm like, well, damn, he talking. And then I look closer, I'm like, no, he not talking.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

I was like, man, it's a year. He says, it's been a year.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

My girl must say all the time, boy, you think we got it bad,

[Joe]

but some of you got it worse every time. It puts everything in The.

[Chad Ocho]

You think she just trying to. You should just.

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You.

[Chad Ocho]

You think people, when they say that, they just trying to make you that you know. No, that's true. That is one. No matter what you're going through, somebody is going through something much worse. That doesn't make your situation. That doesn't make your situation. That is not important. That is. Yet you're not going through something. But whatever you think you're going through, I promise you, somebody's going through something much worse. Yep. We all just want to help and to be able to not be a joke. You couldn't help your mom. I couldn't help Granny. His family can't help him. It's in God's hands now. All he can do is just state, hey, I want to live another day. I want to fight another day. I don't know, maybe five years, 10 years, 15 years from now, they'll find a cure or at least something to slow down the effects of it. Maybe. But you do realize there ain't no money in cures. Money's in treatment. I can't. Why would I want to cure you from an addiction? I treat you and get money longer. Even if they found a cure, the big drug companies will kill it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep. They hurt their pockets.

[Chad Ocho]

Damn, cj. I guess all we can do now is pray.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's it. That's it, man. Hey, hey. And thank him. Thank him.

[Chad Ocho]

Just ask God to let his will be done. I only know what to say.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oo.

[Chad Ocho]

I don't know what to do. Ain't nothing we can do, but also our thoughts and prayers.

[Joe]

Hey, listen. You know. You know how I get why I'm. I'm trying to keep quiet. I ain't doing no crying tonight. Ain't doing no crying tonight.

[Chad Ocho]

And. And because I remember when I would go back into Baltimore and. And the Ravens took care of Juice. Care. So they would. He had office at the. At the Ravens facility. They come. They would come pick him up every. They come pick him up at his house, have a car pick him up and bring him to. And bring him to the facility every day. Juice had an office there. And, you know, you know, his. Obviously his wife, Juice, you know this. She was asking about O.J. you. You know who this is? Through the computer, just like. Man, that's Shay. Good to see you, man. It's just. Man, it broke my cuz. He was such a fun loving guy. Never had a bad word to say about it anyway. But go back and look at that Super Bowl. O.J. made, like, the first four or five tackles on the special teams. Lord have mercy. The Lions have released Terry and Arnold. Arnold was facing life in prison on kidnapping and robbery charges. Arnold had his Bond set at $1 million Monday in Hillsborough County, Florida. Judge Christopher Sabelli, who added the following instructions. He's not allowed to contact the six co defendants or witnesses in the case. He must surrender his passport within 48 hours. He was ordered confined to his residency in Tallahassee, Florida, except when he would be playing, training and traveling with alliance or making court related appearances or legal appointments. The state asked the judge to require Arnold to wear a GPS tracking device, but attorneys argued that he would not be able to play football with such a device. Another situation, Ocho, I guess he had an Airbnb. Normally, I guess if you have an Airbnb, you're supposed to have insurance on it.

[Tab Ramos]

Yes.

[Chad Ocho]

Somehow Jury. Something got missing. He felt the people that did it, he knew who it was. And what's being reported is allegedly like they got some girls and they set. The guys set them up. And allegedly, allegedly, that's what happened. But the, the police report says the people that they have, that wasn't the people that did it from what they introduced. Right. And look, it's a tough situation. Look, I know the attorney that he represent, Harvey Steinberg. Harvey's out of Denver.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

Normally Broncos, when they have a case. I don't know one person that's ever not had something going in Denver that Harvey Steinberg didn't have it. So he is as good as that you're gonna find.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So the Lions cut him though, right?

[Chad Ocho]

They cut him?

[Joe]

Yeah, they let him go.

[Chad Ocho]

I'm not, I'm not surprised by this, Ocho. No, I don't think anybody's surprised by this.

[Joe]

No, absolutely not. But you got to make better decisions, Uncle Joe. Yeah, we got to make better decisions. Matter of fact, the people around you, the people around you, they also have to make better decisions. You know, I'm not sure who. I'm not sure who idea was understanding. Okay. Some. Something is missing. Something is going missing. There should be no retaliation for that, especially nobody that's under our. I'm under my umbrella. Is me being the golden goose is me being the football player. If anything does go wrong, it's all coming back on me. It's not coming back on y'.

[Chad Ocho]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Some people ain't thinking like that, though, Ocho. I'm telling you. Look, you got. You gotta look at this young man's situation. Clearly he wasn't thinking like that here. He felt somebody Ruined him. Hey, hold on. You think y' all gonna get over on me? He could try to handle it and with his own hands, and obviously that was the wrong thing to do. But some. Some people don't think logically. You know, when something happens to you and you feel like you've been disrespected, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, once you. Once you in that league, once you make it and those that are around, you gotta understand, once you the golden goose, all that stuff you used to do back in the days, you know, when. When you ain't had nothing going on. And listen, somebody takes something from me, all right, I gotta get it how I get it, okay? Then I understand. But once you make it, man, listen, man, whatever it was they stole. You know what, man, listen, my homeboys, listen. We ain't gonna worry about that. We ain't gonna worry about that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, we all know that's how we. That's how you should handle it. But hey, man, your influences around you are everything, bro. They are everything. They everything.

[Joe]

So now you. Now you have a job because. Because of the influences around you, man, that.

[Chad Ocho]

That should be the least of his worries. He could possibly spend the rest of his damn life in jail. That should be the most important thing, right? Losing. Losing money is one thing. Trust me. Having your ass in jail is something entirely different. And like I said, stuff that. Look, and we. We've all said this. Somebody get to drop on you, okay? I got a watch on. I got a necklace on. Somebody get to drop on you, bro. Here, take this.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

I ain't telling about no what. There is nothing that's been created that can't be replaced other than life. My life worth more than anything that I've ever owned. I gotta make it home. I gotta make it home to my kids. I gotta make it home to my brother and sister. I got people that love me. I know. I don't give a damn about no necklace, about no watch, about nothing, car, nothing. Hell, I get out, walk, somebody pick me up. They'll recognize. Man, that look like shark pull side of the road. Hey, give me a ride to the creek.

[Joe]

Damn, man.

[Chad Ocho]

We just. We. We have to think. We have to think differently. We have to think smarter. And we got to do a better job. I mean, we got to do a better job of protecting ourselves. Let's. Let's. Look, Lauryn Hill said something very interesting like last night. If they not going to respect us, let us not disrespect us, we can work together. We can.

[Tab Ramos]

Hey,

[Joe]

if anybody got to have a sound mind. If the athlete's not going to have a sound mind, somebody in your circle got to have it.

[Chad Ocho]

You right, Ocho.

[Joe]

Somebody. I told you. Hey, Joe, when we was young. When we was younger, during my day, you know, obviously, I come up through the 80s and 90s. You know that era. You know how that era was? You know what that was about? Me trying to be cool and wanting to be with all them. Man, if you don't get your ass from around here, man, this ain't what you do.

[Chad Ocho]

That used to be how it was, though, Ocho.

[Joe]

We had structure and there was discipline. Even them boys that's doing what the people that's doing the shit that's wrong.

[Tab Ramos]

Joe.

[Joe]

It was structure and discipline. If you don't rock. If you don't rock on that side of the track, you not even allowed to come riding there.

[Chad Ocho]

Nope.

[Joe]

Somebody got to be in the right state of mind.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Could be taken away from you just like that, boy.

[Chad Ocho]

Yeah, for sure. Joe, you remember Burning Forest? The fighter?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you talking about.

[Chad Ocho]

Yeah. Try to track a. Tried to track the guy down. Nah, man. And. And the thing is. Oh, Joe. Ocho. I only want nobody. Y', all, we cool. I got home, man. I grew up with it. I grew up with you. But how you move? I don't move like that.

[Joe]

Right.

[Chad Ocho]

And because I don't move like that, I can't have you in my circle. We cool. Hey, I used to go around the corner. Hey. And I stopped it. You know what? Hey, man, I ain't changed. But, man, I'm still sharp, bro. No, no, no, I can still be sharp. I ain't got to hang around here to do that. And I appreciate them, man. They like sharp, man. Come on, man. You know I can't let you ride the town. Cause you get stopped. I got the stuff on me that

[ISO Joe Johnson]

the headline's gonna be you all day long.

[Chad Ocho]

They. Hey, man, they like sharp. When I go in there, man, I tell them, that's my homeboy. Me and him. Me and him went to school together. I let. Well, you know, you can tell them that when they come out. You ain't got to go in there to tell them. You know what I'm saying? They're like, hey, bro, you. Hey, man. They don't even believe me. Well, when you come out. When they come out, the cup right here, my sister tell them, say, yeah,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

we went to school together.

[Chad Ocho]

You ain't got to go back in there to prove that. But nah,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

damn, man.

[Chad Ocho]

Taryn. But Ocho, you said something very important. That used to be how it was. They protected us. Like, man, you ain't. You ain't get your ass around from

[ISO Joe Johnson]

here exactly how it used to be.

[Joe]

Hey, the same one, Joe still here? Yeah, still. He's still. Still here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ain't gonna lie. A lot of cats I grew up with, man. A lot of them gone, too, boy. Yeah, yeah. Like from the neighborhood, Like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

Oh, they got time. Yeah. A lot of them ones that I grew up with, like my age or a couple of years younger than me. Oh, they got time.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

And I don't. What I don't get, if they do it, they do a nickel, get out for six months, right back, that's. Do a dime, get out, go right back. I'm like, what is the allure that y' all keep going back?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's. It's the hustle in them that they can't shake, bro. They can't shake their hustle. That fast money. They can't shake it. Gotta get back out there in the field, baby.

[Chad Ocho]

And they. Joe, they love bragging, man. We be watching. I said, man, I went to school with him. That's my boy they love. I'm like, bro, you do realize you don't have to be in there to be proud of what I've done. Yeah, we went to school because, you know, people come around and they come from different area. It's sharp. Tell them, didn't I play with you? What? Yeah. Good, man. You know, like, if. It's like, if I say they good, they good. Because they're like, oh, this. He played the pro, so he said

[ISO Joe Johnson]

he was getting gas.

[Chad Ocho]

Yes. I had guys that was my. The. Probably the best athlete. One of the best athletes that I went in there was Frank Shepard. Me and Frank was like, this here. He and I grew up. We went to the same church. You talking about a hell of an athlete. He could have played the pros. He. He was every bit the athlete, if not better than what I was.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you see that. You see that coming up, too, bro. So. Hey, hey, I don't see so many guys, bro, who I came up with. I'm talking about had talent at the wazoo, you hear me? But, man, when you don't got no structure or discipline with that, it's hard to make it, bro. It's hard to make it. Oh, it's hard to make it.

[Chad Ocho]

You know what guys, what I used to do, I used to say all the time, man, if I made it, we from the same Environment. I don't have any more than you have. You don't have any less than what I have. And I said, you know what? I stopped thinking like that. I said, because I had something that you didn't have. I had Mary Porter. See why some of their moms and grandma let them do whatever they wanted to do. First of all, that never even crossed my mind when Papa was alive. And then when Granny. I think Granny got a little bit more stricter because she knew he wasn't gonna be around. So stuff that she model it slide if he was around Granny play that. And then knowing what she had done for, you know, took. Raised her nine and then took my mom's three. Yeah. I was used to, you know, suck the teeth here or there, you know, I got to get popped.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

I ain't going to tell nobody I've been a model. Cause I ain't. But, man. Damn, C.J. but nightcap. Do us a favor, man. Send thoughts and prayers to CK, CJK. His family, CJ2K's family. I know he's going through it. I know he could use that. I know his family, friends and loved ones, they could use that. But do that. Yeah, I'm definitely going to make sure. I said one earlier today, but I'm gonna make sure before I lay my head down on that pillow tonight, I say another prayer for him and his family.

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final save of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Ocho. All right, so after today's game, I know y' all would be world class goalkeepers, elite tight end, wide receiver, has translate perfectly to the pitch. What a waste of talent.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Kohler Cast Iron Ambassador]

Nah.

[Chad Ocho]

Germany, the Netherlands. Really could have used y' all for some clutch saves. Who be a better goalie? Keep up the great work.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, I'd be a hell of a goalie getting.

[Chad Ocho]

Yeah, you got, Joe. I don't know how your hands is, Joe, Cuz you ain't no. Yeah, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know, Joe. I'm telling you. My, my.

[Chad Ocho]

You might have them. DeAndre.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on. Come on, man. Come on, come on.

[Chad Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Hey, you see the goalie? You see the guy was on top of it, and he. The German goalie was on top. Excuse me. The Dutch goalie was all on top of it. Yeah, but it's still squirrel.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I got great anticipatory skills. I. I'll be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can anticipate. I can anticipate real good. Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, no, John, no.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, you know, go to Play Gold, you got to be there. You got to be crazy. A little bit with that ball coming at you that fast.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You just got.

[Chad Ocho]

You.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You gotta. You got to be good at moving. You got that good movement. You know what I mean? Yeah, I see what's going on. I'll be able to cover the whole damn thing, too.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe, you got to understand your angles, man. And being able to close down space to shrink the goal, too, now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I could do that. You think you can score on me? If I was the goalie and you was trying to. You did a. Joe.

[Joe]

I. I scoring you blindfolded, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Get the hell out of here. Get the hell out of here. What you think I am? You think I'm just an easy win, don't you, man?

[Joe]

Nah, Joe, you trash when it comes to soccer, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Never seen my footwork or nothing. Just gonna holler them trash.

[Joe]

Yo, I don't need to see none of that, Joe. Especially when it comes to soccer. You trash.

[Chad Ocho]

Okay, Ojo, you gonna score on his lip with your left foot.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Please don't get him.

[Chad Ocho]

Oh, no. Oo. Hey, hey. Oh, hey. He like to put one in front, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm blocking all that Ojo got going on, man.

[Chad Ocho]

That man ain't have Ocho. The man say he blocking.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He coming down like that.

[Joe]

Man ain't blocking none, but somebody on his phone, that's about it.

[Chad Ocho]

Prayers up for Chris Johnson, his wife and his kids. Nobody should have to go through this disease as terrible as als. I hope he knows just how loved and appreciated he is as a former player and a man that is absolutely Correct. That is absolutely correct. What's up? Nightcap? Watching the CJ2K interview was sad to watch. Life is such a blessing. Just the normal activities that we do and don't think about is a blessing. Prayers to all.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

With als, we take for granted, bro. Just walking, jogging, running, being able to work out. You take all that for granted, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

You do. Granted, you take a lot of things for granted until you get hurt. You hurt your shoulder, and all of a sudden, you can't use but one side of your body. You're like, damn, you hurt your knee, Joe. When you told your patella, and now all of a sudden, you can't walk, you realize, damn, I might not can run, but, hell, take damn running. I just want to be able to walk.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, now you talking, boy. Hey, Ocho, boy, this. Hey, this is a hell of an injury to have, boy. I'm gonna be honest with you. I ain't. I ain't never had nothing worse than this, bro. So getting back, getting just like you say, I'm just getting to the point to where I can walk comfortably. Maybe I can bust out a little jog, you know, I can get on the treadmill, get. Get it up to about 4.56, you know, man. Hey, it make you appreciate those little things, bro. It does.

[Chad Ocho]

What's up? Nightcap family? True story. I went to Vegas and I met CJ2K and Calais Campbell last year. Told him I love his game, and we talked for a good minute. Felt like I was a little kid. I'm 27 between. Glad we talk business.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Sad, man.

[Chad Ocho]

It is.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I'm telling y', all, bro, it was hard for me to watch the full interview, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

It is, man. It is.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I couldn't, man.

[Chad Ocho]

It was. It was Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe]

Yeah. I can't. Yeah. Hey, well, you know. Hey, driver, I be too. Hey, I be too emotional, man, when it come to talking about stuff like that, man. Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, uncle was telling me about his dogs one day, man. Joe, I'm over here balling, boy, and I'm trying to hide it, you know, because I got machines on, but you can see all the tears coming down my face. And, hey, listen, he just talk about dogs from the past, not nothing new. And I'm over here. I'm over here like a little kid. Like, I'm like, yeah, I can't. I can't. I can't do it.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man,

[Chad Ocho]

when you realize how short life is, you realize how much petty stuff that we kept bottled up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

Why I Got it.

[Tab Ramos]

Why?

[Chad Ocho]

I got a problem with this, man. Okay. Somebody don't like me. Life too short for you to worry about that, don't you? When you start. When you start coming and thinking about your own mortality. We're gonna leave here. We just don't know when. You don't know how. It's a good thing we don't cause everybody to wait till the last week or so to try to get right.

[Joe]

Did you say the last week? The last week.

[Chad Ocho]

Shout out, y'. All getting me through the nights as the truck driver. Much love. My lady knows I'll be on the phone with her, but listening to y', all, please shout out my girlfriend Yovana for her birthday, which is the same as Joe's. Be they real ones born, you already know it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's happening? Hear me? Yeah.

[Joe]

Happy birthday.

[Chad Ocho]

Happy birthday, Yama and bro. Thank you for supporting Nightcap. We get a lot of that, people that work in warehouses or drive trucks. They said, man, y' all make the night go by fast. So thank you guys, because you make it all worthwhile. Shout out to my wife Kelsey, and my dog Petey. He's a miniature snout and 12 years old. Just found out he has cancer today and not. And not much longer left. Any advice on grieving? Life will never be the same, mister. Hey, Ocho just told you it's tough, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you had to put one down. You had to put your dog down, huh?

[Chad Ocho]

I've had to put Kane, Killian, Samson, Rooney, tonka, man, Tarzan, baby, seven. I've had. I've had dogs since 92. I've always said, if I ever got me some money, I' ma have dogs. Because I grew. You know, I grew up around dogs. I grew up around animals. So my grandfather had a farm. We had. We had hogs, we had chickens, we had dogs. You know, Champ, Joe Boy, Goose. So I've always. I've always wanted dogs. I'm always gonna have a dog. No, there ain't no advice, bro. You're gonna have to get over it.

[Tab Ramos]

Just.

[Chad Ocho]

Just realize. And I had to go through this. And my sister said, shannon, Are you keeping a dog alive for you or you keeping him alive for him? Because his quality of life isn't going to improve? And just. Cause you got the money to prolong it, don't let him suffer. And I've always. I've always felt. I've always tried to give my dogs an opportunity. I've had the money. But then when I come to the realization this ain't no quality of life. I call the people in. I have them in my arms. They give them that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe]

Come on, man.

[Chad Ocho]

It's tough, man. It's tough, Joe. It's tough, man. It's like a damn child. Anybody that has. Anybody that has a pet and it's ever had to do it, you know? You know, sending prayers for CJ2K. Stop it. You tripping. Michael. Shaq Kobe never called himself the chosen one or the goat. Doesn't matter. Today's NBA defense is equivalent to flag football. Ojo y' all would dominate if the NFL change their defense. Look, we can make. We can say that about every. Every era.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

What do you think the 60s said about the 70s? What do you think the 70s said about the 80s and the 80s said about the 90s? Nothing has changed.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nope.

[Chad Ocho]

So would you prefer him say he's not the best or what? I thought y' all like when players say they the best. Oh, just a player. Y' all like to say who's the best. Okay, okay, I'm cool with that. I wish Ocho criticized NFL like he do these NBA guys. I never heard him say nobody loves the game of NFL.

[Joe]

Well, that. That mean he. He don't. He ain't watching enough, then he ain't watching enough.

[Chad Ocho]

Cause that'd be my guys. Ocho, can you break down what makes devonte Adams route running so smooth and. And ISO looking back at d book in Phoenix? Is loyalty overrated if your organization isn't putting you in position to win? Ocho, what makes devonte?

[Joe]

I mean, for one, he's not the fastest in the world, but he's fast enough. He very, very, very twitchy. And every time he get that, hesi. Once he gets you to hesitate, once he gets you to free just a little bit, come off the line. He used the same move every single time, and it worked every single time. He come off, hop, skip, freeze, take off. And once he gets you going, he gonna transition before you every time. And you at his mercy every you. You try to be aggressive, try to be, you know, get up there and try to jam. You're gonna miss every time because he's quicker than you are. You try to play off, he gonna get into you. He gonna reset the line of scrimmage, he gonna shake the at you.

[Chad Ocho]

He makes everything.

[Joe]

There's really nothing. There's nothing you can do.

[Chad Ocho]

He really does make everything look the same every time.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

He's so good in transition, which means getting in and out of brakes.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

A lot of times. And it really works when a guy. Cause a lot of time when guy have speed. When you build that speed up, it's just like anything. It takes a while to stop. Oh, yeah, but he has like. Ocho said he has enough speed, but he. And then he's like, he gonna do this bop and he gonna take off running.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

Yes. It's overrated because team expect loyalty from players. Something players really rarely rare. Not all rarely get. You'll get a situation for every Steph Curry and Kobe. But look at me. I mean, look at a lot. A lot of the greats. Excuse me. Carl Malone left.

[Kohler Cast Iron Ambassador]

Who?

[Chad Ocho]

Charles Barkley, left. Patrick ewing, Akeem Elijah 1. I mean, it's a different. It's a different era now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ocho]

And guys can move back then. A lot of times guys couldn't move like. Like the NFL. The guys didn't move a whole lot because they couldn't. I had your rights. So I offer Ocho. Ocho could go to five Pro Bowls, be a first team, all pro three times. I offer Ocho $200,000. He'd take it or sit his ass at home.

[Joe]

Hey, I'm going to sit.

[Chad Ocho]

I couldn't go anywhere.

[Joe]

I can make 200.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen.

[Chad Ocho]

Well, that's what you had to do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And if you look at it though, Phoenix, they continue to pay him, though. They continue to pay him and keep him around. Yeah, they paying big money too, here. He ain't getting no chump chain now.

[Chad Ocho]

Oh, no. No book making. But I live in Memphis. With jog on, the stadium gonna be empty.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y' all got the young phenom coming in that Kambooza. They ain't moving Anita.

[Joe]

No, I mean, he gonna move Anita,

[Chad Ocho]

but he guard guards or women.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, listen, you gotta bring in some good veteran leadership. Surround him, so. And I think I like Jeremy Grant. You know, they. I think they trying to bring people, man. Memphis trying to start over, man. Yeah, they starting over from scratch, bro. So you don't know what they gonna look like.

[Chad Ocho]

Chin up. I can see the hurt in your face when you go solid. ISO is the only one repping the nightcap. Nightcap? What? I got my sign on, solo Ojo. Oo. Stop being cheap and turn the nightcap sign on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He can't, man, it look like the Waffle House sign over there. You can't turn on, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

I got the nightcap sign on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yours on.

[Chad Ocho]

I know y' all can see that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Don't worry about it.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

We used to it, bro.

[Chad Ocho]

Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle, my partner and co host turn his light on the waffle outside on that's the Liberty City Legend, that's Chad Ocho, Seiko Johnson and the seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks, that's ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you for your support and your continued continue support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by Laportier head over to laportierconjac.com to purchase you a bottle if it's currently unavailable in the state or Sydney near you. It's a premium VSOP Cognac. The drinks like an xo the best tasting, smoothest VSOP Cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Jaw was traded today. Well, first of all, big up says Germany and the Netherlands are out of the World Cup. Morocco beats them on Crazy and Paraguay. Paraguay beat Germany on pks. What else? Memphis Grizzly traded John Moran to the Portland Trailblazer for Jeremy Grant and Chris Murray. Jalen Duran is he didn't like the offer that Detroit had for him. So he's looking. He's meeting with Sacramento with the possibility of meeting with the Lakers for a potential sign and trade deal.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He just need a little help. He just need a little help. That's it.

[Chad Ocho]

Little help. Atlanta Hawks are declining the $24 million option on Jonathan Kaminga, Draymond Green is declining his $27.7 million player option and Ben Simmons is training for a potential comeback. Let's go Ben and and former NBA players Malik Beasley, Ed Davis or six defendants indicted Monday on charges related to an alleged sports gambling scheme that targeted at least four games in 2023 2024. So that's nightcap for tonight. I'm up. He's Ocho. He's ISO. We're off tomorrow, but we'll see you Wednesday. Go usa. Go usa. Go usa. Usa. Usa.

[Joe]

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