Nightcap Hour 1: Spain DEFEATS Argentina for WORLD CUP + Lou Dort HEADED to HAWKS

Summary

Nightcap Hour 1: Spain Defeats Argentina for the World Cup + Lou Dort Headed to Hawks

Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Date: July 20, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe “ISO Joe” Johnson

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Episode Overview

This action-packed episode of Nightcap delivers instant, unfiltered reactions to Spain’s historic victory over Argentina in the Men’s World Cup final and breaks down a major NBA trade with Lou Dort headed to the Atlanta Hawks. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe discuss the drama on and off the field, including weather delays, flight woes, and behind-the-scenes stories, all served up with their trademark humor and insight.

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Main Topics & Key Moments

1. Spain vs Argentina: World Cup Final Recap

[08:09 – 15:00]

• Historic Win for Spain
  • Spain clinched their second World Cup title with a dramatic 1-0 victory over Argentina in extra time.
  • Spain conceded just one goal all tournament and now holds the record for the longest unbeaten streak in international football history (38 games).
  • "Spain becomes the first nation to hold both men’s and women’s World Cups simultaneously." (Host, 08:22)
• Match Breakdown
  • Ferran Torres scored the match-winner in the 106th minute.
  • Argentina failed to register a shot during regular time; only repeated heroics from goalie Emiliano Martinez kept the score close.
  • "Martinez played extremely well. He saved them. It should have been, what, four, maybe five goals." (Ochocinco, 10:03)
  • 19-year-old Lamine Yamal became the youngest ever to win both the FIFA World Cup and the Euros.
• Argentina’s Downfall
  • Enzo Fernandez received a second yellow card just before extra time, reducing Argentina to 10 men.
  • Tempers flared after the whistle, with Leandro Paredes getting a red card post-match.
• Spain’s Dominance
  • Spain had nearly 70% possession, controlling the game and keeping Argentina on the back foot.
  • "Spain was too much, bro…their defense just smothers you." (ISO Joe, 11:27)
  • "Spain kept the ball away from Argentina. When they did get it, they didn’t really do anything with it." (Ochocinco, 12:24)

Notable Quotes

• "Spain had an unbelievable run in the World Cup…their goalie as well, Unai Simon, had the most clean sheets by a single team in FIFA history." (Ochocinco, 10:30)
• "I expected Argentina to get something, something. They got nothing and liked it." (Joe Johnson, 11:24)

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2. Legacy Talk: Messi, Fan Drama, and Ref Controversy

[18:59 – 21:12]

• Refereeing & Fan Expectations
  • Hosts allege referee bias in Argentina’s favor, both in the final and earlier matches.
  • "The reffing in Argentina’s favor…funny looking today. There were some questionable calls." (Ochocinco, 14:10)
• Messi’s Last World Cup?
  • Discussion on Messi's legacy despite the lack of a fairy-tale ending.
  • "Messi is the greatest gift ever given to the beautiful game." (Ochocinco, 19:32)
• Legacy Unchanged
  • "Even if Messi didn’t get the fairy tale ending that all of us would want to see, nothing changes with his legacy." (Ochocinco, 19:32)
  • Lighthearted ribbing about choosing Ronaldo over Messi.

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3. “Real Life Nightcap”: Travel Woes, Weather Trouble, and Airport Tales

[21:34 – 43:00]

• The trio vent about being stuck in New York after the game due to severe flooding and airspace closures for President Trump’s attendance at the World Cup final.
• Private Jet Temptations
  • Shannon retells an almost $45,000 private jet splurge.
  • "He called back, said, Give me 10 minutes, I’ll call you back. Hour and 30 minute flight. $45,000. I said, hang the phone up." (Joe Johnson, 22:47)
  • "I’m proud of y’all…that’s $45,000 that can go to something more important than getting back home." (Ochocinco, 23:57)
• Shelly vs. The Lines
  • Stories about patience being tested in long airport lines.
  • "Shelly’s got no patience. Zero." (Joe Johnson, 41:19)
• On-Flight Comedy
  • Joe calls out Shannon for tattling on him reclining his airplane seat.
  • "That man, he hit his little beep. I said, damn. You must want something to drink. He said, nah, I’m finna tell her you got your damn seat laid back." (ISO Joe, 31:27)
  • Ochocinco jokes about his own karaoke requests on planes.

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4. NBA Blockbuster: Lou Dort to Hawks and the OKC Roster Shuffle

[46:35 – 66:18]

• Big Trade Details
  • Lou Dort and Ryan Nembhard traded to Atlanta; 2024 #1 pick Zachary Richet (Richard Shay) sent to the Mavericks; OKC gets three second-round picks.
• Analysis & Fit
  • Joe: "Sometimes things just don’t work out. Richet is a great talent but that number one pick tag weighs heavy." (47:47)
  • Unpacked why Atlanta traded a recent #1 pick, emphasizing fit and financial flexibility over upside.
  • "When you get your opportunity and show what you can do…you start to think, if he gets his own team or goes somewhere where he’s a focal point, he might can do something." (Joe Johnson, 49:50)
• Thunder’s Roster Management Masterclass
  • OKC praised for shrewd cap management, talent acquisition, and maximizing draft assets.
  • "They cut the tax bill from $102 million down to $19.6 million…good teams, salary cap is gonna hurt them, you got to get off these players." (ISO Joe, 50:50)
  • Discussion on the importance of player development systems (Spurs, Thunder) and why other teams don’t copy successful formulas.
  • "It’s a copycat league, but not everybody copies the Spurs’ or Thunder’s formula." (Ochocinco, 53:20)

Notable Quotes

• "When you look at OKC, they got over 7 second round picks throughout this summer. They’re loaded…that’s how they stay loaded with talent." (ISO Joe, 52:18)
• "When you go to great teams like that, you don’t have no choice but to fall in love…best players are leading by example." (ISO Joe, 58:56)

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5. Reflections & Trade Strategy: Spurs, Thunder, and Player Pathways

[58:00 – 66:18]

• Discussion on how teams like the Spurs turned under-the-radar picks (Parker, Ginobili, Kawhi) into stars through player development and organizational culture.
• Popovich’s old-school leadership and the importance of the right environment for young players:
  • "Pop ain’t what he once was…but his imprint is going to be on there and he’s gonna tell you, ‘Get good or get going, son.’" (Joe Johnson, 58:45)
• How OKC and San Antonio lead the league in internal development and trading timely for the long-term benefit of the franchise.
• Additional NBA free agency intrigue: Kawhi Leonard’s future, LeBron and James Harden’s potential moves.

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6. Rapid-Fire Fun & Final Thoughts

Throughout, especially [31:00 – 43:00]

• Personal flight rituals and airport mishaps.
• Ochocinco jokes about connections in politics and airline karaoke.
• Banter about Cardi B (“When it’s up, it’s up!”) and playful jabs at each other’s travel habits and patience levels.

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Most Memorable Moments & Quotes

• "Spain becomes the first nation to hold both men’s and women’s World Cups simultaneously." (Host, 08:22)
• "Martinez played extremely well. It should have been, what, four, maybe five goals." (Ochocinco, 10:03)
• "Spain had an unbelievable run…Unai Simon had the most clean sheets by a single team in FIFA history." (Ochocinco, 10:30)
• "Even if Messi didn’t get the fairy tale ending, nothing changes with his legacy." (Ochocinco, 19:32)
• "He called back, said, ‘Give me 10 minutes, I’ll call you back…$45,000. I said, hang the phone up.’" (Joe Johnson, 22:47)
• "When you go to great teams like that, you don’t have no choice but to fall in love…best players are leading by example." (ISO Joe, 58:56)
• "It’s easy to select Tim Duncan…go get me a Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Kawhi Leonard. Now you impressing me." (Joe Johnson, 59:51)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Spain Defeats Argentina: Match Recap – [08:09 – 15:00]
• Messi’s Legacy/Ref Discussion – [14:00 – 21:12]
• Travel Woes & Airport Tales – [21:34 – 43:00]
• Lou Dort Trade & OKC Strategy – [46:35 – 66:18]
• NBA Development Culture—Spurs/OKC Deep Dive – [58:00 – 66:18]

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Summary

This Nightcap episode brings instant and candid reactions to Spain’s World Cup triumph and analyzes major shakeups in the NBA off-season. The crew celebrates Spain’s tactical brilliance, commiserates with Argentina’s collapse, and talks legacy for Messi. Off the pitch, their personal misadventures—flooded airports, tempting private jets, and classic travel banter—keep the energy light and engaging. On the NBA front, they break down player movement, praise OKC’s and San Antonio’s models for sustained success, and muse about NBA free agency’s domino effect. All in all, a quintessential Nightcap: equal parts sports IQ, life stories, and locker-room laughter.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Host]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Clock.

[Host]

But anyway, that's neither here nor there. You didn't want to hear this pity party. You want us to come give you a show to, to inform you, educate you and entertain you. And that's exactly what Ocho, ISO and myself, we're going to do tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. You know who I am, I'm your favorite unc, my partner and co host.

[Host]

He's been traveling up and down the east, west, north and south, going to all these World cup games. That is the Liberty City legend, the day counties own a former pro bowl and all pro, a bingo ring of fame artery. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the big three that's

[Joe Johnson]

going to hold it down for us in a week.

[Host]

Y' all know him, University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native. He's a seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks. Mr. Clutch, the smooth shooting guard that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button.

[Joe Johnson]

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Oh show.

[Host]

For the second time in World cup history, the Spaniards are the World cup champs. They defeat Argentina 10 in extra time to be crowned the World cup champion. Spain conceded just one goal all tournament long. Spain becomes the first nation to hold both men's and Women's World cup simultaneously. Spain has become the first nation to win multiple World Cups in the 21st century. Spain World cup wins See them break the record for the longest unbeaten streak in international football history with 38 games without a loss. Ferrian Torres named man of the match after his 106 minute goal to to

[Joe Johnson]

take a 10 lead.

[Host]

Argentina failed to muster a shot across 90 minutes. Emilio Emiliano Martinez heroics kept Spain at bay. The reigning champs lost Enzo Fernandez to a brainless second yellow car just before extra time. 93 minutes. Temper frayed as the west final whistle sparked the Spanish celebration. Leandro Paris got a red card after the fight with the agave. And Eric Garcia after the final whistle. 19 year old, 6 days Yamal become the youngest ever to win both FIFA World cup and Euros. Beat Ronaldo, beat Messi in the same World Cup. Yamal is the third youngest player to appear in a FIFA World cup final

[Joe Johnson]

behind Pele in 1958.

[Host]

Ocho, he was 17249 days. And Jeppe Bergami of Italy in 1982, he was 18 years in 201 days.

[Joe Johnson]

Oo yeah. Argentina just couldn't get anything on net. But I got to get it and I'm gonna let you take off and

[Host]

you take as long as you want.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes sir.

[Joe Johnson]

The Argentine go. The Argentina goalie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That joker was doing handstands in the net.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, he would.

[Joe Johnson]

They should. They should have had like five or six goals. Oo. But hey, he's still in his head.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. Emilio Martinez played extremely well. He saved them. It should have been what, four, maybe five goals.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Throughout the game. The fact that they had so many chances on goal and weren't able to get in until. Until the very end. He played phenomenal. He didn't get much help from his. From his team. Messi do much as well. And congratulations to Spain. I know we probably have a lot of Spain fans in. In the chat as well. Spain had an unbelievable run in the World cup and they're golden as well. They're goalie as well. Unai Simon, he had the most clean sheets by a single team in the FIFA World cup ever. Listen to this real quick. Uncle Joe. Fame player. Cap Verde. First game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Spain or Saudi Arabia? No goals. Spain. Uruguay. No goals. Spain. Austria. Austria scored no goals. Spain and Portugal. Portugal scored no goals. Spain. Belgium. Belgium managed to get one. Spain, France. No goals. And obviously today, Spain, Argentina. No goals. So they had one hell of a run in today's game. I don't know what was wrong. I have no idea what was wrong with France. I'm France.

[Host]

Excuse me, Argentina.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I have no idea. Joe, what was.

[Joe Johnson]

What do you mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, listen, I. I expected him get something, something.

[Joe Johnson]

They did. They got nothing and liked it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Spain was too much, bro. I mean, at the end of the day, we keeping it real. Spain was a better team, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And I mean, yes, their defense just smothers you, bro. They. I mean, look, they only gave up one goal this whole World cup, bro. Listen, and then at the end of the day, Spain lived inside that penalty slash, 18 yard box. Yeah, Argentina. Hell, that's how they. That's how the goalie was able to break the damn record. Okay, Ojo?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, he had to. If he don't break the record. That game, that game is like. What is that? England and France. You might have 10 goals. They might be. They might be Argentina.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson]

If he's not doing handstands in the net.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That man. You know, another thing, defensively, Spain was really good, but I think they had possession of the ball, Joe. Almost 70%. Almost 70.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, easy, easy. They kept the ball away from Argentina. Argentina couldn't do nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they kept the ball away from Argentina. You know, so much when they did get the ball, they didn't really do anything with it. They just. They played well as the team collectively all together, man. Congratulations to Spain, it, it was, it was a good game. I'm kind of, I'm kind of sad now. The World cup is gone, it's ended. And all we have right now coming up, I think almost next week. I think Liverpool is in the States, Leeds is in the States, and, and now, you know, preseason for the Premier League is coming up and soccer season starts in another two, three weeks.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I think the thing is, is that because like you mentioned, Ocho, Spain kept the ball so much is that when Argentina got it, they were out of

[Host]

sorts and they would just turn it

[Joe Johnson]

over and give, give Spain credit. They're a rugged team, they're a defensive based team, but they put so much pressure on you. They kept the pressure on Argentina, but Argentina goalie, he could not take a break and he got one in there. But they did everything they could, man. They were cheating their ass off. Argentina grabbed that man from the back. Oh, that man ain't tripped that. Damn, man. What the hell was that? The man healed the ball, let it had a great lead and then he go, man, come on, man. And stop going to that replay. Trying to help Messi out, bro. When they got that goal, man, I was so damn happy. I was like, lord, boy, see you

[Chad Ochocinco]

talking about the first goal. Nico Williams. Yeah, yeah, he took it back. They took it back.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, you know damn well that was no damn penalty on Spade.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, they, they say he stepped on his foot. You knew how, you know how that.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, man, Ocho, I ain't got eyes in the back of my damn head. Hell, he behind me. I might have damn step on his foot. As a matter of fact, I might have put it in his face. I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn, Ocho, I'm not, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, you know.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, you are.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, the, the, the, the refing in Argentina's favor, is it, it. It was funny looking in the light, especially when they played Egypt, you know, it was. Yeah, it was funny looking today. There was some questionable calls. Obviously Enzo Fernandez getting his red card. There's no reason, you know, you couldn't get to that ball right there. So that red card, that would, that was justified. That was justified. You have to know.

[Joe Johnson]

And what about the man elbow, about Spain's elbow joint? The man elbow joint was over the line.

[Host]

Oo.

[Joe Johnson]

I can see if he had a foot. The man, the man. I've seen people have tongues. The man elbow joy. O Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That was all. Yeah, that's, that's the rule, though. Nothing, nothing can be over the line. They considered not only all sides but Joe, like in basketball. You cherry picking? Yeah, everybody on one end playing and you stay on the other end. And if your team get the reboot, they just throw you the ball down there.

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[Joe Johnson]

hey he he shook that goalie hey but you know what hey what's for you can't nobody stop it it was on Spain and they did all they could. You mentioned how how they hosed Egypt now Egypt they don't got got the ball they say oh he interfered with the man he but penalty that man that dribble all the way down the damn field. The driver three three or four people almost got hit by a car. A bomb went off and boom he he kicking out there talking about we got oh hell no stop all that damn cheating. I was glad they got the ass tore up cuz that been cheap for him.

[Host]

Oo you everybody knew this was messy last World Cup.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah everybody wanted to send him out on that white horse. Yes and no. D N the soccer guard said hell to the no we not f to do that. You know what the damn where that man cheat but hey that was that

[Host]

was a great match.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what I want to say too also the funny what you want to say is even if Messi didn't get the fairy tale ending that all of us would would want to see.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no I ain't want to see that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Host]

Hell no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

With him being considered obviously the greatest of all time, nothing changes with his legacy. It see many he's still arguably probably the greatest player to ever play this game. I I hate using the word goat because we know how I feel about Cristiano but again Messi is the greatest gift ever given to the beautiful game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey but if he if he if he would have if they would if Argentina would have won, Ocho, but you'd

[Joe Johnson]

have been by yourself. Yeah, I don't even know if. Messy kid. Well, you and Speed. Cause ain't no you and Speed. Ain't nobody gonna convince y' all that

[Host]

Messy not to go.

[Joe Johnson]

You Speed. His kids and his wife Georgiana. Y' all know y' all the only five that. That's right. With. That's right. With Ronaldo. But Messi. Messi, he did have an unbelievable run, Ocho.

[Host]

I mean, eight goals. Force.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he had four or five assists.

[Host]

Mbappe ends up winning the Golden Boot.

[Joe Johnson]

But, man, they was doing too much, Ocho. They was doing way too much. They were doing way too much for. For Argentina ever since the damn quarterfinals. They like, Argentina getting to. Argentina's getting to the damn finals.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They wanted Argentina to win.

[T-Mobile Advertiser]

Hell yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm just getting there. That's why them calls was so bad. I ain't gonna lie, Ocho. I watch. I'm like, damn. Hold on, bro. You know, it's something. Hey, hey, hey. It's some things that go on out there on that field that you can't control and the flopping and all that. I'm like. But I'm like, oh, hell. Dude couldn't see buddy behind him. How step on his feet.

[Joe Johnson]

He make it seem like Ocho, like, he stepped back. He's doing. He's doing what he normally does. He healed the ball. A great pass. I'm talking about great.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Really good pass.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And you took that away. That'd be. That would. That would been by far.

[Host]

And they've been some great goals scored in the world.

[Joe Johnson]

In the.

[Host]

In the World cup that have been the greatest.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, the man healed the ball with a perfect lead. Oh, man. Yeah. I say, come on. I'm up there celebrating. I'm like. Cause I needed. I needed the game to end so President Trump can hand that damn trophy out and get his ass back over. Read, too, and get on the pot of there so we can leave. Because they weren't letting nothing up and down, but because he was at the game up the airspace, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all was still at the airport all this time?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, we got. First of all, we got stuck yesterday,

[Host]

cuz New York flooded, and I knew

[Joe Johnson]

we was in trouble as we're going to the airport. Oo we 10 minutes from the airport, right?

[Host]

She had to look at me to cancel our flight.

[Joe Johnson]

I said, you got to be kidding me.

[US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy]

Y.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, wait, hold up. Oh, timeout. They canceled your flight yesterday.

[Joe Johnson]

Both of you all.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

We're on the same flight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Why y' all ain't called me to hang out?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you couldn't come down there. The cars was flooded. I mean, you ought to see the cars on the water headed to the airport underwater.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Snap.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

And then Ocho. So today we're in the airport. I said, man, I'm tired of this. I said, hey, Shelly called the guy

[Host]

for the private jet. Shelly hit him.

[Joe Johnson]

I said, I don't care what it costs. Damn, Ocho, he called, he said, how many passengers?

[Host]

I said, me, Shelly, I said, telling me, you Jordan and Joe. Joe Johnson.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. He's like, yeah, I know Joe. But anyway, he called back, said, Give me 10 minutes, I'll call you back. Yeah, an hour and 30 minute flight. Yes, sir, 45,000. I said, Shelby, hang the phone up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You say you don't care how much it costs.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, first of all, we're gonna have to drive. We were in Newark, so we're gonna have to Uber back to East ICELAND, which is 200, which is two hours, which was a 500 Uber. A 500 Uber ride. We had just paid 500 for a ride to get to Newark. So we're gonna have to take a 500 ride back to East Islip to take the private jet out and then pay 45, 000 for 90 minutes. You know what Ocho is.

[T-Mobile Customer]

If.

[Joe Johnson]

If we were going back to the west coast, if we were going back to Vegas, if we're going back to

[Host]

New York, I say, all right, Joe, let's go.

[Joe Johnson]

I say, hey, I sit right there. I said, I sleep in this airport.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn that. Damn that. Hey, all you had to do was hit me. We had chopped that little 45 up, man. Me and you chopped that 45 up here, we would have been home yesterday.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I know that now. I know. Don't say, hey. Hey, don't. Don't threaten me, all right? Because I thought that fan. I throw that fantastic plastic down in a minute.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm proud of both of y', all, man.

[Joe Johnson]

The hell you say?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Understanding the value of a dollar, huh? You hear me? That's 45, 000. That can go to something much more important than getting back home.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I had something. I had something in mind, too. I had told Jordan, because I had told.

[Host]

I said, jordan, I guess what I was gonna get, I guess I ain't gonna get it.

[Joe Johnson]

Now you're like. You do both of them. I say, no, hell, I can't if either a boy get cheddar chips or the soda, you ain't getting both, so it's gonna be either or, man. I was like, nah. And bad. We got to the airport, and as we get to the airport, they push the flight back 15 minutes.

[Rach (Johnny Pops Advertiser)]

Why?

[Joe Johnson]

I said, oh, man, President Trump. And then President Trump didn't want to leave the stage. They tried to grab the man by the arm. He tried to shake it. They like, President Trump, okay? You already put the medals on people and shook everybody. And you got to lead the stage, man. President Trump up there doing all this. He waving you. You America. You not Spanish. Hell, get your ass off the stage. Mr. President, hello.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen, y' all should have called me now. Y' all should have called me, I'm telling you.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Joe, you couldn't have got to where we were. No, I don't know. I don't know where Joe stayed. Cause we ended up staying out there by the airport, right? And Shelly got the last. Shelly got the last two rooms.

[Host]

The last two rooms, right.

[Joe Johnson]

I know we gonna be stuck like Chuck, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm talking about being stuck part of the airport now, you know, I got people I can call. You know, me and. Me and Marco Rubio, you know, we from the crib. We both from Florida.

[Joe Johnson]

What do you mean, what. He ain't gonna do nothing in Jersey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you don't understand the kind of power the Secretary of State got, huh? Don't do that.

[Host]

I'll stay in the airport. I'm good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, I ain't gonna lie to y'.

[Tab Ramos]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't even know that was legal in New York. I ain't know. I ain't know. The gas. The gas was legal in New York. Okay, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What do you mean gas, Joe?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The marijuana, that gas. I ain't know. I ain't know it was legal in New York.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's legal.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, you smoke?

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You smoke?

[Joe Johnson]

Do he fat. Me greasy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can tell me. That'll make you no bad brother if you do.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, let's just say this. I relaxed yesterday and today until our flight.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, check this out. I called it. I said, hey, Joe, we. We in there. We're in the Sky Club, and, you know, come on up here. You know, he's like, yeah, you know, I'm at. I'm at a bar right now.

[Host]

I'll see y' all in a second.

[Joe Johnson]

Guess what? We seen Joe when we boarding the plane.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I ain't gonna lie. I said at the bar. I Said I was in G Pop. I said at the bar, man, had me a couple drinks, had me a little sandwich or something. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I chilled out, man. I watched the game, boy, it was going crazy out there where I was at.

[Joe Johnson]

You hear me, everybody? Everybody was everybody for Spain. I think there might have been one

[Host]

person for Argentina, but everybody for Spain.

[Joe Johnson]

Everybody just wanted to see. So actually, I think everybody just wanted

[Host]

to see somebody score a goal, so.

[Joe Johnson]

So the further the Trump can hand that damn trophy out, he can get his ass back over Marine too and head on back up out of there. That's what they were really hoping for it actuality. But you know what, Joe? I didn't think about it because I know I've been in situation where people have given, let me have a ride. And I know they spent a ton of money. They like, man, sharp, I'm going that

[Host]

way you can just hop a ride.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And so, you know, it didn't even really dawn on me because it really wasn't no thing, but I was like, Man, 45. I said, Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But we chopped 22 and a half. We chopped it easy.

[Joe Johnson]

It done. Hey, listen, as a matter of fact, I still got. I still got a one way flight through him from five, six years ago. I haven't used yet.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. How far? How far?

[Host]

Like 300 miles, 400 miles.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm saving for a rainy day.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, do that. I'm glad y' all ain't spending that money though, man. You know, I know it's only 22.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. But I don't think we could have got out yesterday, Jordan. I don't think they would let anybody out yesterday, today, today, because they cancel. They started canceling everything. And I was like, she was like, oh, we still good. I fly. You know, she all happy, everything. I was like, shelly, how they cancel every fight in front of us, every flight after us, and you think we gonna get out? Yeah, what's special about us? The president ain't gonna be on our flight, I promise you. Lo and behold, we get. We get like 10 minutes from the airport. It started to rain. I mean, it's getting.

[Host]

It's raining harder and harder.

[Joe Johnson]

And then the thing that red.

[Host]

You see that red alert come up, cancel. And now we start. As we start to go even further. They don't diverted traffic because the interstate's flooded.

[Joe Johnson]

They got cars underwater.

[Host]

Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, when it rained hard like that, what they say God up there doing when it rain hard like that?

[Host]

I guess he Crying. Cause.

[Joe Johnson]

Cause he was gonna let me get home.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It was raining hard yesterday. Oh, I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't seen it rain like that. I ain't seen it rain like that. Last time I saw it rained like that, they had the flooding in California

[Host]

when I first got out there, and

[Joe Johnson]

it rained like that. And everybody know had to end up

[Host]

having the mudslides up in. In Santa Barbara and Montecito.

[Joe Johnson]

That was the last time I seen

[ISO Joe Johnson]

it rain like that. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I was knocked down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I missed all that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we was in the. Hey, we was in the airport for a minute today, boy. We was in there for a minute, I ain't gonna lie. Because they kept delaying. I said, oh, man, they gonna cancel our damn flight.

[Host]

But I'm gonna be sick, too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

By the time Unc told me about the private flight here, we was in the line aboard.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Rach (Johnny Pops Advertiser)]

What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Boy, we chopped that 225 so quick.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Ocho, you. You just told me, you say, oh, you alive, but you ain't living. I was gonna live.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Listen, you gonna get home regardless. And spending 225 just to get home a little faster than normal.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, necessary. And get a people and get. And get a people and. Because they mad cops. They see, this is why we had that ad read. Because in the live show yesterday. So, Ocho. So I can get home. Joe and I could get home because we got. Oh, we holding up, Ocho. Ocho. Ready to go. I don't like holding no show up, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We were the first. We were the first ones to get up yesterday, Ocho. My flight was at. Flight was at 3 o' clock yesterday, man. Father been home, bro. Yeah, I just walked in the door at 11:45.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. Yes. I jumped straight on, man. I had to take me a shower. I can't do nothing without taking a shower. I don't care where I go, I'm taking a shower. Brush my teeth, brush my hair, oil my beard and everything. I'm good to go now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, you ain't getting no trouble, huh, being late, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, man, come on, man. You know, I'm Gucci over here, man. Stop playing with me.

[Joe Johnson]

I had Shelly call.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Host]

I had Shelly call.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, hey. He don't run the house. He run around the house.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he do. But Shelly called. Shelly. Shelly, the buffer. Shelly, you know. You know. Yeah, Shelly calling like, you know, the

[Host]

flight delayed and everything like that. So be late.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What these boy think it is, Chad? Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't wanna. I don't want to mess up your opportunity to come to Houston.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Thank you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Thank you.

[Joe Johnson]

Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, once we. Once we don't got. Once we'd have got the permission slip, we'll forge the rest of them.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Chad.

[Tab Ramos]

Chad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Let me tell y' all how immature uncle is. Chad. Let me tell y'. All, we on the plane. Just so happened I'm sitting directly across from him. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, soon we get on the plane, I'm tired, you know, mentally, I'm drained. Cause we've been in the airport all damn day. So the first thing I want to do, give me some shut eye.

[Joe Johnson]

You hear me?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I'm trying to go to sleep. I put my hood on, my lean my little chair back just a little bit. Not too much to where she'll come. You know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That man, he didn't hit his little beep. I said, damn. I said, damn. What'd you hit that for? I said, yeah. I said, damn. You must want something to drink. He said, nah, I'm finna tell her. You got your damn seat laid back.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm like, damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ojo check. The lady came over. He damn sure told on me, too.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm like, damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, y' all better be lucky y' all don't fly with me, because, you know, every. Every flight I'm on, you know, I asked the stewardess if we could do karaoke before we leave, and they always let me get on the mic, even though it's not fa, is it? Faa.

[Host]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That before we take off, I do a little karaoke with first class.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

She ain't letting you do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They would have. They would.

[Host]

No, we're not gonna let you do it.

[Kohler Cast Iron Ambassador]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Hey. And I say. I asked us. I asked the. The flight attendant, I said, what's our motto?

[Host]

Safety is our number one priority.

[Joe Johnson]

He's right, you know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Chad, he ain't lying, I promise.

[Joe Johnson]

And I said, hey. I say, and his seat belt?

[Host]

I said, he just got it laid across his lap.

[Joe Johnson]

You might listen.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Listen the whole time. Why he telling on me, Ocho? His whole seat belt laying on the damn floor.

[Joe Johnson]

She say, what about your seatbelt bell?

[US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy]

Hey.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Hey. Oh, Joe was over there asleep. I right. I touched him. I said, oh, man, my bad. I thought you wanted something. I thought y' all heard you call, but I thought I heard you call my name.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Oo.

[Joe Johnson]

What they do that at?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would have poured water on Joe. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you done?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What Pour water on you right there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They have kicked us off the damn flight too. Cuz me and you would have had real rum on there.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you had WWE again. They just had it last night. Excited about the Madison Square Garden.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He'd have to touch every seat in first class.

[Joe Johnson]

I promise you, his little ass would

[ISO Joe Johnson]

touch every seat in first class.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, Joe, they gonna put us on the no fly list.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I don't give a damn.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't give a damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We got to go to another airline. I don't give a damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Oh, but man, that, hey, that was the longest. And, and when I work with cbs, you got to think about it, man. I went there every. I went for 10 straight years. I would go in 19 to 20 weeks and I only got delayed one time.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Got snow every time because I would always catch the 9 o' clock flight. So I would fly in. I started out early because, you know,

[Host]

figured every, the, the beats of it out.

[Joe Johnson]

But then I just started flying in Saturday.

[Host]

I would go straight to the meeting, drop my bags off, go straight to

[Joe Johnson]

the meeting, do that, come back, and then we do the show on Sunday

[Host]

and then I go straight to the airport from, from, from the studio.

[Joe Johnson]

Not on the nine o' clock flight. I'm back. I'm in my bed. I'm in my bed after I shower by midnight.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Host]

I got delayed one time.

[Joe Johnson]

One time. And here I'm in New York and

[Host]

got delayed again, you know, myself. I called my sister, she said, well, God didn't want you to get home. I said, that's what he didn't want me to get home, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello. That's how you gotta look at it.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't got no choice. I can't. Hey. I was like, but hey, if I know. I said, hey, Joe, they got, they got, they got, they, hey, they got, they got a citation. 10. Yeah, that'll get us there. Well, we probably wouldn't have been that expensive yesterday, Joe, but because it's last, it was like back, back up today and to get about because they weren't letting anything come up the East Coast. If you coming in from this direction and you don't have to fly over, you straight. Yeah, yeah, but I'll play. You know, planes coming from Atlanta play and I play from Philly. And they don't know what. Ain't no way you can get around it, right?

[Host]

Well, I'm so glad when they say,

[Joe Johnson]

oh, well, our plane is backing out. I planned on the Runway. I said, let me know when he'll get halfway here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Chad. I ain't see none of that, Ocho. I was sleep before we even started taxiing backwards.

[Joe Johnson]

I was sleep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Joe, you were tired, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Come on, man. How you sleep on the plane? You can't sleep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You don't sleep on the plane.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I might. Hey, I might doze off before we get up. But hey, once they talking about, hey, I feel that plane start moving, I'm wide awake.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But why is that, though?

[Joe Johnson]

Because I'm gonna whip somebody try to get up in that cockpit, I promise

[Host]

you

[Joe Johnson]

he ain't gonna touch every seat in first class. He gonna touch every seat in the whole plane. I'mma mop the flow with him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, hey, you scarred. You scar.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. After what happened in. In 2000? Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Hell yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I say, Lord, please don't put me

[Host]

on no flight with somebody trying to

[Joe Johnson]

open up the door and.

[Host]

And doing all that kind of stuff

[Joe Johnson]

because I'm a boy. Look here, I'm gonna beat the brakes off him. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Oh, I feel. Cause listen, like I told you and oo, hell, I was on the plane during 9 11, bro. I was headed that way, right? Yeah. So, hey, I'll be nervous too. Hey, look, I'll be watching everybody.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll be people watching.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm sorry if I'm staring at you too hard, but, hell, I had to check everybody out. Who's sitting next to me? Me, man. Yeah, for real.

[Joe Johnson]

And I. And I. And I'm looking. What I'm doing is I'm trying to. I'm trying to imagine how much force

[Host]

am I going to have to exert?

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, am I trying to subdue him or put him to. Or her or. I'm trying to just like, okay, hey, come on out here and get it put.

[Host]

Put the towel over. Put the sheet over.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I know what you mean, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, when. When I get on that plane, Uncle Joe, I'm gone. Three hour flight. Two hour flight. Hour flight.

[Joe Johnson]

I normally tell. I normally tell the pilots. You hold it down up here. I got this back here. All right, Mr. Sharp. We gonna hold you to that.

[T-Mobile Advertiser]

You.

[Joe Johnson]

You bet. You believe. Hold me to it. Hold me to it. And don't divert. Just keep going. Don't divert because you a. I've been on plane that's diverted, had medical emergencies or something like that. Oh, Lord,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

no, sir. Well, they had to turn that thing around and land you. You one of them.

[Joe Johnson]

I done been on a plane. Well, they weren't Your driver, they wasn't gonna take us.

[Host]

They didn't take us to. We supposed to be going to Baltimore. But anyway, something happened and they diverted us to Richmond, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, some people like, hey, we got a car. You want to ride? Yep. Sign me up. Yep, I want to ride. So I rolled with them from Richmond to Baltimore.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How long that is?

[Joe Johnson]

It wasn't that long.

[Host]

Oh, y' all think it was like maybe like two hours?

[Joe Johnson]

I think maybe it might have been a little longer, Ocho. I, I, I see. That was before I asked God to

[Host]

give me patience, to work with me, with my patience.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Host]

Because.

[Joe Johnson]

Because now, you know, I'll think about, like, okay, let me see. Oh, Lord. Because I can't run through no airport. I see people running to the airport

[Host]

trying to catch that connection, bro, if it ain't the next gate over, I'm stuck like Chuck.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't really do no connection, though. I, I try my best not do connections. I always show up and I never like.

[Joe Johnson]

But here's the thing, though, Ocho. But what if you, what if you late? Sometimes the flight get delayed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, no. I sure might be at the airport. But then they're two hours early for no reason. Because I like to eat at the airport.

[Joe Johnson]

You like Shelly?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I like to eat that.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't got us. We don't got an airport. Now they think, they say the thing

[Host]

is going to take us somewhere between 65 and 75 minutes, right?

[Joe Johnson]

We leaving at 4:30. Shelly calling me. I'm in the room. Her and Jordan done downstairs. She calling me. Let's go. Shelly is 12:20. She blowing my phone up. I know it's her. I ain't going in my bag to get this here. What took you so long? I said Shelly, you said 12:30. It is 12:20. Well, he's been down here. He making 500. I might make it wait till 1 o'.

[T-Mobile Disclaimer]

Clock.

[Joe Johnson]

The hell we get to the airport. We get to the airport. It takes like 63 minutes to get to the airport. So we leave at 12:30. 1:30 flight leaving it at 4:29. Oh, guess what? Oh, not a flight leaving at 5:15. Not a flight leaving at 6:30. Not a flight leaving at 7:03. Not a flight leaving at 8:20. Not a flight leaving at 9 a damn clock. So we.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on, man, I know you were hot. My flight.

[T-Mobile Advertiser]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

My flight leave tomorrow at 3:30. I probably get to the airport 12.

[Joe Johnson]

So now we, we in the, we in line at. At Clear. Why the line isn't Moving. Shelly, do you see all these people? Unfortunately, we weren't the only ones delayed yesterday. I guarantee you they had their flights canceled and they were delayed also. Well, I said, well, you go right ahead, because the guy told us, because we have touchless, you got clear, you got touchless and all that. He said, because you went through the clear. If you want to go through touchless, you got to go back out and read back in. I said, I wish I might. I wish I might. Oh, this line isn't moving. What is she waiting on? She's waiting on the guy to tell her to step forward. That's what she's waiting on. I said, you be standing all on people heels, breathe on the damn neck. When somebody shoot your elbow in the throat, you mad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, it was thick, people. It was thick in there. Now. Yes, man, Joe, thick enough.

[Host]

Joe, we got there.

[Joe Johnson]

And you. Now, you know, I chat.

[Host]

I promise you, Shelly has less patience than me. You can ask Jordan about this.

[Joe Johnson]

She had. And y' all already know my patience. I'm like a. A one. Shelly's a zero. Shelly got no patience. Zero. And then it's like, oh, what's taking so long? I say, shelly, you see all these people? You make it seem like they ain't. They're supposed to just. Hey, you go ahead and put your

[Host]

bag up there, ma'.

[US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy]

Am.

[Host]

We're gonna hold ours till yours go through, and then we'll put ours once you get through on the other side.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell, they putting their bags up on it, too. Boy, she was on one today. I said, you know what? I got a trick for you. Hey, I bet I threw my bag up there and shove that thing, that line, and went on through there. I said, man, I ain't speaking to you till I get to.

[Host]

To the Sky Club, cuz.

[Joe Johnson]

You gonna make me lose it in here, man, she was on one, Joe, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, needless to say, man, I had a good time in New York, boy. Hey, I appreciate y' all for that one, boy. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Roman Reigns, Jalen Brunson. Hey, I appreciate y'.

[Kohler Cast Iron Ambassador]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That thing was nice.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, wait, wait. We wait the 27, you know, wait. We start hitting that them live tour. Tell them, Ocho.

[US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. All right, all right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dang.

[Host]

But you bet it was.

[Joe Johnson]

It was an adventure, man. I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It was dope, man. I listen when y' all left. I ain't leave fanatics fest by 7:30.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know, man. I've been seeing clips of you all damn day. I said damn.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know how you do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oo, you know, I. I had to work now. I had, you know.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, make that money. I ain't mad at you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you know, we got vacation coming up, taking all the kids somewhere, you know. Had to get every little bit of that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I need all that you had to get your ducks in, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You hear me? I'm stuck.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I get you. I get you.

[Host]

Must be nice. I sure wish I could do some of that stuff, you know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You need somebody holl at your boy now you know I'm up. Well, I'm up now.

[Joe Johnson]

I know you up. You up. You up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You know God, who say that and

[Joe Johnson]

when you up and it's up and it's up. That cardi b. Who is that? Cardi B? Yeah. Cardi b. Say we up and we up and we up.

[CarMax Advertiser]

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[T-Mobile Customer]

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[CarMax Advertiser]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Whoa.

[CarMax Advertiser]

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[T-Mobile Customer]

We'll just use your phone as a flashlight.

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[Host]

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[Joe Johnson]

why did I search the Internet for answers to my cold sore problem? Now I'm stuck down a rabbit hole filled with images of alarmingly graphic sores in various stages of ooze. I can clear my search history, but I can never unsee that.

[Host]

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[Joe Johnson]

Lou Dorrit is heading to Atlanta in a three way deal that sends former

[Host]

number one pick Zachary Richear to the Mavericks. Atlanta gets Lou Dort, Ryan Nemhard, Dallas gets Richard and OKC gets three second round picks. Joe, are you surprised that Atlanta will

[Joe Johnson]

cut bait on the 2024 number one

[Host]

overall pick so soon? Richard is only 21 years of age and could still turn into a productive NBA player someday.

[Joe Johnson]

He was benched by Quinn Snyder in

[Host]

the playoffs because of Jonathan Kaminga was clearly a better option. Instead of gambling on Richard's development and upside down while the $31.3 million he's owed over the next two season sits on the cap sheet of the Atlanta Hawks basketball operation, Salah Unsee Salah decided to exchange him for Lou Dort. Dort shot 38 from the floor last season and will become a restricted free agent in the summer if Atlanta does not sign him to an extension. Actually, it's called Reisha say okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Richard Shay. Yeah. Nah. Hey, look, I'll go. Joe. I ain't surprised, man. You know, obviously sometimes things just don't work out Bro, right. When you look at it, Rishi is a great talent. I still think, you know, his upside will be pretty good. It's just when you get that number one pick, when you. That number one pick, bro, that's. That. That shit weigh heavy.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, you can never live that.

[Host]

Oh, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

We talked about it, Joe. You can never live down your draft slot.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You can't. You can't. And so I think what they're trying to build in Dallas, he'll probably fit. And hopefully he comes around, he reaches his potential. Playing with Cooper Flag, I still think

[Host]

he'll be a pretty.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And Kyrie, I still think he'll be a pretty good player in this league. It's just. Damn. When you look at him as a number one pick, you. You know what I mean? You just look like. Oh, man. You know what I mean? But I think when he. He fell out of rotation during the season, and then in the playoffs, he started getting DNPs, you know what I'm saying?

[Host]

So it's only.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, the writing was on the wall. It's like, you know, he probably, obviously still had a little value. And Atlanta used it, bro. And was able to bring in Lou Dork and little Nem Hart from. From the Dallas Mavericks. You know, his brother. His brother played for the Pacers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Now, Nimhart, he ain't as big as his brother, but he feisty, he tough. You know what I mean? Hell, I think he's. I think he did, what, three, four years in college, if I ain't mistaken? So he's. He's a. He's a guy who plays. I thought he played well above himself as a rookie last season, so I think he's gonna be a great addition for the Hawks. But. Hey, man, the Hogs got Lou Dork. We got some dogs over here. Ocho. Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised by this. I'm not gonna be.

[Host]

I'm gonna. Cause they've already gotten rid of Isaiah, Joe. Now they got rid of Dort, who's. You know, they picked up his option and moved him.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm not. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be really surprised if Kason

[Host]

Wallace, because he's made it clear he don't.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, Joe, when guys play really well, it's a. It's a.

[Host]

It's a Brunson.

[Joe Johnson]

And I'm not saying he can go and be what Brunson became from the Knicks, but when you get your opportunity and he shows what he can do. Jalen Brunson got his opportunity. Luca got injured. He playing out of his damn mind. And you start to think, well, if he gets his own team or he goes somewhere where he's a. A focal point, he might can do something.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Case of Wallace showed you. Case of Wallace says, hey, bro, y' all never gonna let me, bro. I'm gonna be fourth. No matter how you look at it, I'm gonna be fourth. You got Shay, you got J Dub, you got Chad. Now you got Jared McClain. You got a J. A John Mitchell.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

AJ. Excuse me. AJ Mitchell.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So. So. So when. When is it going to be my run? Let me go somewhere I can be at least two, maybe three.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They. Hey, they just were too guard and forward heavy.

[Tab Ramos]

Yes.

[Tony Ayo]

You.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You. And this is the price you have to pay. When you're a good team and you draft well and you develop guys great. You got to get off some of them damn guys, man.

[Joe Johnson]

You do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

This is what's going. We gonna continue to see this. You look at the spurs and what they dealing with.

[Joe Johnson]

Apron.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. They don't want to have to. Hey, hey. They want to stay away from that.

[Host]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Go ahead, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You look at OKC, they cut the tax bill from 102 million Uncle Ocho to 19.6 million. You know what I mean? So that just shows you alone, bro, that teams in this league, especially the good teams, the salary cap is gonna hurt them, bro. You got to get off these players.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's a situation, Joe, you know what? Even at winning, because they just. They only a year removed from winning the championship, Right?

[Host]

That's still too much money.

[Joe Johnson]

It is that. Nah, it ain't.

[Host]

It ain't worth it.

[Joe Johnson]

And I'm not saying case of Wallace

[Host]

can be Jalen Brunson, but he don't

[Joe Johnson]

want to be no fifth or sixth option because he's shown you he's more than capable of being a second or third option at worst.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That's like. I mean, who wants to be Ocho? I mean, I show you what I can do. The number one receiver gets hurt. I come in and I fill in for him, and I go, get me about 1200 yards, man. You think I want to go back to being second option? You think I want to go back to being third option? I. I've shown you that I'm more than capable. You people don't get it. Please. It's easy for you to say that because you look at it from a distance, but sometimes you got to put yourself in somebody's shoes. And Joe, you've been there. You know what it was like, Joe? Like, man, I can't keep a. Hey, I love being Phoenix, but bro, I'm gonna be behind Amari. I'mma be behind Steve Nash, I'm gonna be Q. I'm gonna be behind Sean Marion. Bro, let me go somewhere I can be. At worst case, number two option.

[CarMax Advertiser]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you think about it, man, the Thunder man, Sam Presley, bro, we gotta give him credit. I mean, think about it. They didn't receive what, three second. They got over seven second round picks, you know, throughout this whole summer, bro, like, they loaded. They gonna stay loaded with talent because how they produce talent, how they, how

[Joe Johnson]

they, how they, how they draft, they got. It's kind of like R.C. buford in San Antonio.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. So look, so instead of declining Lou Dork, 17.7 million, Uncle Ocho, they save money by trading him and getting all these assets. See, they could. You know what I mean?

[US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Like, so instead of just declining it and be, I guess, letting them play, they're like, damn, that we'll pick it up and then we'll trade him.

[Joe Johnson]

We get assets for him, we'll be

[ISO Joe Johnson]

able to get assets for him. And that's kind of what they've done, you know?

[Host]

You know, sometimes you go throw stuff away, it has some value to somewhere.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, take it to Goodwill and get

[Host]

a tax write off.

[Joe Johnson]

Take it to the Salvation army, get

[Host]

a tax write off. Don't just give it away.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, it's funny. Most of the time, obviously, maybe, maybe the NBA might be different, but everything is a copycat league in the NFL. When. When teams or owners see something that works, most of the time, if they don't have ego and they can set their pride aside, they copy what other teams do. I'm not sure why other teams don't copy the spurs formula or copy the Thunders formula on how they not only acquire talent, but also develop talent so you can keep moving and stay underneath that, that apron. In a sense, the same way.

[Host]

Well, I think the fake. Yeah, but still, you're still gonna come available because guess what you got, you got Chat, you got J Dub, and you got Shay. Now in a couple of years, Shay gonna be back up. Shay gonna be over 400.

[Joe Johnson]

Not what you do. Ooh, a Jay Mitchell gonna want to get paid too. Now. He got paid. He got two. I think he got a three year deal. So what happened in a couple of. In a couple of years, case of Wallace is already saying, man, I. I I. I need. I need my bread. Yeah, you just. They. They don't.

[Host]

Look, when this thing became available, it's

[Joe Johnson]

just like what we talk about all the time.

[Host]

Ocho, with the, with the cba.

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all know what was in the cba?

[US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy]

Yes.

[Host]

Y' all sign it because you feel you have to, because you can't miss any checks.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, now, in the process of rusting, rushing, because you can't miss any checks, you sign a bad deal.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host]

Now all of a sudden you.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you meant.

[Host]

No, no, no.

[Joe Johnson]

It's too late. Name on the contract. It's certified. Look, I know y' all ain't got the lawyer like they got. They got lawyers that see lawyers. See, the thing is, when you want the more high priced lawyers. Ocho, take it for your boy.

[Host]

I know they be in six minute increments.

[Joe Johnson]

Six minute increments. They charge you, you know, 1500, 2000, 2500 an hour, but they bill you in six. Six minute increments.

[US Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

So you think, hey, nah, I'm a good listener. Nah, bro, you already told me that. Yeah, we good.

[Host]

Go on something else.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you already told me that. Ain't no double talking. Hell no. Ain't no double talking. Hey, and if you put it. Hey, don't text me. Yeah, I got it. You put it in the group chat. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. Hey, you need. Do you need to talk about anything? No, I'm good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the end of the day, when you look at it, Lou do Isaiah, Joe, Aaron Wiggins.

[Host]

So you get. So.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So the Hawks got Aaron Wiggins and Lou Dort from a championship team at okc. Now, although, you know, for whatever reason, well, obviously salary cap reasons, they wasn't.

[Joe Johnson]

They.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They was not as valuable for okc. But guess what? They gonna be some hell of a additions for these, for some other teams, bro.

[Host]

You know what I like? What's that? In the contract year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they gonna pay him over there.

[Joe Johnson]

Wait, they gonna be over there, Joe, What'd you say?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They gonna be able to pay him over there in Atlanta?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. You know, winning. If you win, you. You get paid. Ocho, hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

If they don't resign, if they got 40 million in cap space, but you got guys that can compete on the defensive end. You got Dyson Daniels, that was a. An all NBA selection. Yeah.

[Host]

Lou Dort was first team.

[Joe Johnson]

You got a. A Nikhil Alexander Walker, you got guys

[Host]

that could defend because, look, offense is great, but if you look at the situation when the rubber Needs to meet the road. You got to get some stops somewhere.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Got to get some stops. And I ain't going to lie. You got to have some guys who gonna make shots. That's the only thing that worries me about Lou Dort. Not necessarily Lou Dork. Cause I think you're gonna get a lot of wide open looks, Uncle Ocho, considering the fact that I think this past year he probably averaged about 5.5 threes a game, shooting at probably about 38, 39%. He gotta bump that up a little bit. You know, try. Try to get into the, the early 40s because you're gonna get so many wide open looks. And Coach Quinn, this what they, they, they preach, bro.

[CarMax Advertiser]

You.

[Joe Johnson]

It's.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The offense is designed, you know, obviously through Jalen Johnson, who creates so much attention, but he's a willing passer. Uncle Ocho, hell, I think he. Well, how many assists? I think he had like seven. He had like seven, eight assists. Cause he wasn't far behind Jokic when it come to a triple double A game. So I say that to say this. You bring them guys over, bro, they gonna get great looks. We just need them to defend, play hard. Hey, man, I know. I told y'. All, I told y' all the Wizards

[Joe Johnson]

can make the, the, the.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The biggest jump in the Eastern Conference. Hey, my damn Hawks ain't playing now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they, they, they, they got.

[Host]

This is a great situation. I think the thing is, is that oo, you asked the questions.

[Joe Johnson]

Why can't they do.

[Host]

Because everybody can't. They fall in love with names.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host]

A lot of times the people that you hear that them draft you like,

[Joe Johnson]

who you like, Tony Parker, model, Ginobly, Kawhi Leonard, right? Jalen Williams. Jalen Williams, they get named. Ain't nobody all the fancy, you know, all this and all that and player of the year. None of that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They develop well, though. Yeah, that.

[Host]

That's going to fit their system. That's going to come in. Ain't gonna buck the system, right.

[Joe Johnson]

Understand the hierarchy to play.

[Host]

You practice, you. Hey, look, Pop gonna be in there. Pop gonna always have saying there. You got to understand, Pop is old school. He ain't what he once was as far as being able to get around

[Joe Johnson]

and do things like that.

[Host]

But his imprint is going to be

[Joe Johnson]

on there and he's gonna be able to walk into a meeting and he

[Host]

gonna be at practice and say, when

[Joe Johnson]

you bull jiving and tell you you need to do better. Get good or get going, son.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, when you go to great teams like that, though, you don't have no choice but to fall in love.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because the best players, the best players are leading by example, Uncle Ocho. And it's just a great environment for a young cat to come into and wants to know what it's like to be a pro. I mean, let's keep it 100. Hell, it's Oklahoma City, bro. It ain't a whole hell of a lot that going on that you gonna get into. You know what I mean? It's just like. I'll be honest with you, it's just like playing in Utah. Hey, man, I had a blast playing in Utah. It ain't a whole hell of a lot to do at night. So you be locked in. You know what I mean?

[Host]

Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And I think that's kind of what it is at okc.

[Joe Johnson]

Remember Greg Popovich?

[Host]

They traded George Hill.

[Joe Johnson]

They traded George Hill to select Kawhi. Everybody. Like, what? Why would you do that?

[Host]

Oh, that's why. Okay. That's why.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, Tim Duncan is a no brainer.

[Host]

He was the consensus number one player in the country.

[Joe Johnson]

Stayed all four years. So it's easy to select the Tim Duncan. Go get me a Tony Parker. Go get me a Manu Ginobili. Go get me a Kawhi Leonard. Now you impressing me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello. Cause I never seen Kawhi play in college.

[Joe Johnson]

Nope.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't gonna lie to y'. All. And I'm a basketball junkie over here.

[Tab Ramos]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

And now look at it.

[Host]

Get into the first year, he's a little green.

[Joe Johnson]

Worked on that jumper. They get beat his rookie year, they get beat in the finals by the comeback, lose game seven, you know.

[Host]

Hey, he missed those.

[Joe Johnson]

Missed that what? Free throw. Yeah, they kept missing. What? There was one make, one miss one gave the. The heat an opportunity.

[Host]

They losing seven, come back Kawhi, finals MVP in the second year.

[Joe Johnson]

Now Tim Duncan retires. Now he got the mentality, hold it. Then my team, I ain't got to defer. They need more for me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host]

Now all of a sudden, he give you 25. Now he's giving you 25 points a night. He giving 24, 25 points a night.

[Joe Johnson]

And he's playing outstanding defense.

[Host]

Back to back, defensive player of the year.

[Joe Johnson]

Before that injury,

[Host]

it wasn't.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, this about. Oh, he the best too.

[Host]

It wasn't nobody close to Kawhi as far as being a two way player.

[Joe Johnson]

It was.

[Host]

It wasn't nobody close.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah,

[Host]

he was special before the injury started.

[Joe Johnson]

Taking his toll on his body, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And bro, you see what he did with his healthy this year. Career high points.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was nice.

[Joe Johnson]

He proved his three ball. His midi being turn around or going left or right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What Kawhi average this year?

[Joe Johnson]

Like 26, I think.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Boy balling, man. Balling like a dog. The one thing I say about Kawhi, and I know a lot of people harp on him as far as like, you know, sitting out games, not playing, but damn it, when he do play again, Ocho, that boy cut up, man. Hey, hey. And when you look at him, he's always. He always looks like he in great shape. You know what I mean? Like he.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He cut each other. Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't never see him really out of shape. So for me, for a guy who played in the league for quite some time, bro, and I see that, like I know you doing something different because Kawhi ain't no spring chicken no damn more.

[Host]

Hell no.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I think the thing is, Joe, you know, you.

[Host]

You see what a guy you like, man, he got a chance and he's. Look, he's a top 75 player, so ain't no.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, you know, you're talking about a guy that's a two time

[Host]

defensive player of the year.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You.

[Host]

He's a two time league, a two time finals MVP with two different teams. Yeah, you know that, that once upon a time, that meant something. And you know, he. He go to the Clippers and win a third one, that was gonna say something, then somebody else went somewhere, won the third one, and all of a

[Joe Johnson]

sudden it don't mean as much as it. You know what I'm saying? But y'. All. You know what I'm talking about, Joe. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I got you.

[Joe Johnson]

I got you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know exactly what you're saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I get you. But. But Kawhi, man, I'm talking about. He could take the best teams player

[Host]

until Zaza Bacheepshot slid his foot up

[Joe Johnson]

under his ankle on that jump shot and he came down on it and go to state. Cause. But they. Look, one thing about Pop, no matter

[Host]

how good your team is, Pop gonna find a way to solve it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, man, I'm telling y', all, Pop ain't letting you go on no damn run. You go, you score two buckets in a row, Ocho on four.

[Joe Johnson]

Run.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Timeout. Timeout. Time out.

[Joe Johnson]

You remember he started the game. He Hacker Shack to start the game. And look, that sh. Talk about.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Pop Ain't let you get no momentum, bro. He ain't let you get no momentum. Hell no, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Pop, I said come. How you start the. How you start the game with a foul? And he.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So. He too, respected uncle oo, them dudes.

[Joe Johnson]

He is.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They run through a brick wall for him, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep, I can definitely see that.

[Host]

But I'm just waiting to see what,

[Joe Johnson]

you know, Everybody talking about LeBron and him holding it up and going, and

[Host]

so we can find out where, you know, set the schedule.

[Joe Johnson]

I think people are just as interested as what's going to happen with Kawhi.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If this deal going to go through or not, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Is the deal going to go through? Is he going to face the suspension? Are the Clippers going to face the suspension? There's another big name out there that hadn't been signed, James Harden. Are the Cavaliers waiting to see what LeBron's gonna do before they bring James Harden back? Oh, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. Cause he opted out there. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Cause if I'm James, I ain't opting out my damn contract unless I know for sure. I got. I got a verbal agreement, something written. I gotta have something up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, especially after had they done did him in Philly. Remember how they did him in Philly? He told him the guy was gonna take care of him, and he ain't take care of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't burn me. You can't burn me twice with that. Deal with that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Now.

[Joe Johnson]

He. He gonna.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He'll crash out. He'll crash out for it, and rightfully so.

[Joe Johnson]

Rightfully so. Well, yeah, he should crash out.

[Host]

But look, it's hard to argue anything that the OKC Thunder and the. The San Antonio spurs do, because San Antonio, this thing. This. This is. This is 20 plus years. 25 years. At least. It's a smaller sample size with. With okc. But Sam Presti, when you draft Kevin Durant, you j. Draft James West, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Sergio Baka. You had Reggie Jackson.

[Joe Johnson]

You look at his draft picks.

[Host]

Yeah, it's hard to argue with him. The trades that he's made.

[Joe Johnson]

He traded and got. Hey, he got. He made the trade for pg.

[Host]

Yeah, he got Paul George.

[Joe Johnson]

Turn Paul George into Shay.

[Host]

He got an Alice Caruso.

[Joe Johnson]

He get the.

[Host]

The case in Wallaces and Isaiah Jones and the wit.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Host]

It's a smaller sample size than what San Antonio's done, but over the last. But it's hard to argue this over a decade.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. No, I don't think nobody has developed more players than OKC has. Sam Presti and his system or whatever they got going on over there. Uncle Ocho and okc, boy, when they draft, they develop and them guys produce.

[Host]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And this is the results of it. Like hey man, I know because of camaraderie that they have over there and okc, all them guys probably want to stay together because they won a title together and it always seemed like they enjoying each other's company, having fun. But hey, you got to break that up, bro. You keep the cord nucleus together. But a lot of them guys that sitting on the bench, although they, they, they help in many different ways, they just aren't as valuable as a Shay check J Dub. So you kind of have to get off them guys and then other teams, hell, they don't want you to keep winning. They want to take some of them assets you got over there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Host]

Absolutely.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

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