Nightcap Hour 1: Spurs KNOCK OFF Defending Champs + Wemby wins WCF MVP + Wemby RESPONDS to CRITICISM on Crying

Summary

Nightcap Hour 1: Spurs KNOCK OFF Defending Champs + Wemby wins WCF MVP + Wemby RESPONDS to CRITICISM on Crying (May 31, 2026)

Main Theme

Nightcap with Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and Joe delivers instant reactions to the NBA Western Conference Finals Game 7, where the San Antonio Spurs defeated the defending champion Oklahoma City Thunder to reach the NBA Finals. The hosts break down the key moments, standout players—especially Victor Wembanyama ("Wemby")—coaching decisions, and the Spurs' remarkable growth as a young team. They also tackle the significance of Wembanyama’s Western Conference Finals MVP award and his emotional response to critics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Game 7: Spurs’ Statement Win

• Spurs Defy the Odds: The panel expresses shock and admiration for San Antonio’s poise, discipline, and ability to close out Game 7 on the road against OKC, a two-time MVP-led defending champion squad.
  • "How did a team, the youngest team in the NBA, go on the road, beat a two-time MVP, a defending finals champ, and get it done?” (Ocho, 11:23)
• Victor Wembanyama’s Dominance: Wemby outplayed OKC’s frontcourt, controlled the glass, and set the tone defensively and offensively from the jump.
  • "His first play was to the bucket... Gave you that shoulder, create some space off the glass." (Joe, 26:34)
• Julian Champagnie’s Heroics: Champagnie made massive three-pointers, especially in late-game situations, providing the offensive answers to every OKC run.
  • “Champagnie making shots, 6 for 10 from 3, 20 points, 6 rebounds... Bro, that’s a plus on the road.” (Ocho, 16:50)
• Defining Defensive Play: Luke Kornet’s block on Hartenstein is called the best in Spurs history.
  • “That was the play of the game. That's the block... They're gonna be talking about this for years to come.” (Ocho, 11:11–11:23)

Notable Quote

• "Wemby will be the Magic Johnson award winner. They’re getting the celebration going now, but we went ahead and got started and they played a whale of a ball game." (Ocho, 09:08)

Timestamps

• [09:08] – Ocho names key contributors.
• [11:11] – "Best block in Spurs history."
• [12:06] – Joe analyzes how the Spurs did it.
• [16:50] – The impact of Champagnie.

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2. OKC’s Struggles and Coaching Decisions

• Chet Holmgren’s Disappearance: Repeated critique for Holmgren only taking two shots and lacking aggression.
  • “Check took two shots, Joe...Everybody else who played took at least four damn shots, okay? Can you please tell me how in the hell you gonna win a game like that, man?” (Joe, 23:26)
• Rotations Scrutinized: Questions about not starting more offensively capable players like Caruso over Lou Dort, given Dort’s offensive liabilities.
  • “You need him defensively...But Caruso is just as good, but he’s a better offensive guy because now I can help off Dort.” (Ocho, 15:30)
• Fatigue & Offensive Stagnation: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (“Shay”) looked exhausted by the end, settling for jumpers and lacking lift.
  • “Shay’s legs are gone...he didn’t get that rest to start the second quarter...he played 43 minutes.” (Ocho, 09:08)

Notable Moments

• [24:21] – Shay questions Holmgren’s status as a true number two option.
• [24:42] – Ocho responds: “You got a max contract, you gotta be [the 2nd option].”

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3. Growth and Identity of the Young Spurs

• Veteran Presence: Biombo & Kelly Olynyk highlighted as crucial mentors, despite minimal playing time, helping young guys like Wemby understand NBA playoff pressure.
  • "Put Biyombo’s room next to Wemby. As a matter of fact, get them a joining room..." (Ocho, 27:06)
• Defensive Versatility: Praised for commitment, with multiple players capable of guarding top OKC stars.
• Bench Strength: Key reserve performances from Dylan Harper and Keldon Johnson highlighted as pivotal.
  • “Tonight, 23, 35, you got 37 points from your bench... Harper hit some big threes tonight.” (Ocho, 37:16)

Timestamps

• [27:10] – Ocho on Biombo’s mentorship.
• [31:50] – Joe sees the title potential of this group.

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4. Criticism, Emotion, and Wemby’s Response

• Wemby’s Emotional Leadership: They celebrate how he leads “by example” but also displays passion and vulnerability.
• Responding to Criticism for Crying: Wemby’s quote about not hiding emotions is lauded.
  • "Personally, I refuse to carry the burden of hiding my emotions." (Wemby quoted by Ocho, 54:34)
• Legacy Talk: Discussion on how rare and special it is for such a likable superstar to be so universally admired.
  • “He might be one of the most liked NBA players in the history of the game.” (Ocho, 55:06)

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5. Tactical Details & Playoff Reflection

• Pace and Rebounding Swings: Ocho points to Spurs controlling pace and ultimately flipping the rebounding battle.
  • "At one point [OKC] were plus fourteen [rebounds]... It flipped around. All of a sudden, Spurs win the rebound battle by two." (Ocho, 22:59)
• Turnovers & Trust: Emphasis on how the Spurs minimize mistakes and trust in each other, despite being so young.
• No Weak Links: Multiple hosts highlight the Spurs’ defense has “no liabilities,” unlike other young teams.

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6. Notable Quotes & Banter

• “You know what separates y’all from me? Ball knowledge.” (Shay, 14:15)
• “Every team needs a 12th man... Cardiff: borrow better.” (Ocho, 04:35 – light moment/promo woven into the basketball theme)
• “The youngest team in the NBA just went on the road and won a Game 7 against the defending champ—that's crazy!” (Paraphrased summation, Ocho/Joe thread)

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Standout and Memorable Moments

• Wemby’s Stepback Three vs. Jaylen Williams: Panel amazed at the 7'4" rookie’s guard skills in a clutch moment ([43:13])
• Wemby Joins Elite Company: 175+ points/15+ blocks in conf finals—only Shaq, Olajuwon, and now Wemby ([53:59])
• Champagnie’s Historic Night: Most threes in a Game 7 by a Spur ([70:02])
• Wemby’s Emotional Celebration: “I refuse to carry the burden of hiding my emotions.” ([54:34])
• Postgame Banter: Joyous, playful roasting of Harrison Barnes’ limited minutes and impact ([29:35 - 30:10])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [09:08] – Spurs contributors, team effort
• [11:11] – Best block in Spurs history
• [12:06] – Youngest team’s path and belief
• [16:50] – Champagnie’s clutch shooting
• [23:26] – Chet Holmgren criticisms
• [27:10] – Veteran mentorship (Biombo)
• [31:50] – Spurs’ title upside
• [37:16] – Spurs bench outplays Thunder
• [43:13] – Wemby’s guard-like moves
• [53:59] – Wemby’s place in elite history
• [54:34] – Wemby’s response on “crying”/leadership

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Tone and Language

• The tone is celebratory, candid, and playful, with heavy doses of sports insider analytics and friendly roasting among the hosts.
• Quotes are delivered in the jovial, direct, and sometimes brash style that Shannon Sharpe and Ochocinco are known for.

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Conclusion

This episode captures the instant, emotional fallout from a historic NBA Game 7, balancing Xs-and-Os breakdowns with big-picture narratives about leadership, growth, and resilience. The hosts praise Wemby’s emerging superstardom, dissect the young Spurs’ impressive trajectory, and reflect on the failings and future challenges for OKC. With memorable quotes, playful ribbing, and sharp analysis, this is a can’t-miss conversation for any basketball fan—especially Spurs faithful.

Transcript

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Well welcome to another episode of Nightcap. I'm your host, the one and only man. It's ISO Takeover again. Shout out to the spurs for pulling out the Win I be damn. I'll be dang on. Hey, look, shout out to my.

[Ocho]

My.

[Joe]

My co host, Bingo's ring of fame, Monterey, a six time Pro Bowler, three

[Shay]

time all Pro, four time, four time Joe.

[Joe]

Full time, full time, all pro. Okay? He said they paid him for his feet, not his hands. You hear me? Liberty City is very on AKA Twin. Now, my player partner, Chad Ocho, Cinco Johnson and my other co host, wherever he's at. Eight time Pro Bowler, five time mall Pro, three time super bowl champ, a hall of famer, one of the greatest tight ends ever played a game. He said he was here when he was. Well, you hear me? Your favorite uncle, AKA Big play, Shay Shay, that's Shannon Sharp. Please make sure you hit the subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. We would like to thank each and every one of you for your eyes, ears and your word of mouth. Because of y'. All. Thanks to you guys, man, look, your boy ISO on here, you know what I'm saying? Doing my one, two. Y' all know how I get down. You feel me?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

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[Shay]

Hey, Joe, you seem kind of.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Shay]

But just kind of sad, huh?

[Ocho]

You see kind of sad today, don't yo?

[Shay]

Yeah. You feeling kind of sad? You feel a little sad, huh, Joe?

[Ocho]

Huh?

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me. Let me flip my. Let me flip my.

[Shay]

Well, God damn. Dwayne Wayne.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

What? What?

[Joe]

What? What? What? What sitcom is that off of Ocho A Different World. Okay, okay. I'm just making sure you.

[Ocho]

I just make sure.

[Shay]

I just call you Dwayne Wayne.

[Joe]

I know. I'm just making sure you. I'm just making sure you know what I'm saying? You know what's going on? He locked in tonight?

[Shay]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm definitely locked in.

[Joe]

Here you go. Go ahead. Get. Get out. Hey, get off your chest. Homeboy, listen.

[Shay]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, listen. I told y', all, listen, this. This ain't just about this series. This is about since the NBA playoffs started. All y' all told me when it went, when it was March Madness. Oh, I'm picking mascots. I beat y' all in that. It came to the NBA playoffs. NBA playoff started. I told you exactly who's gonna win each series. All the way up until the finals. At some point, both of y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Shay]

I don't want to hear you say basket or ball no more. I don't want to hear nothing about how good y' all know and how. How good your knowledge of basketball is. Because I put both of y' all to shame the entirety of this series. You hear me? I told you what the spurs are gonna do. Both of y' all had the Thunder winning. Matter of fact. Oh, no, don't worry about it. And go into game seven. They plan it. OkC. OkC gonna win. You know, home court advantage. All that jibber jabber man. Nonsense, huh?

[Ocho]

You're right, Ocho. You had it. But I think everybody, we all had to go seven. You took the Spurs, Joe and I took the Thunder. But it was Victor Women. Yama. Victor Wembanyama and champagne. And those guys came to play tonight. 111 to 103. They are the Western Conference champs. Wemby will be the Magic Johnson war. They're getting the celebration going now, but we went ahead and got started and they played a well of a ball game. Everybody played unbelievable. You see what they did. They, the bench came in. Kelton Johnson was huge tonight. Dylan Harper did Dylan Harper things. He did a great job of taking care of the basketball. But Carter Bryant, he only played three minutes, but he came in there with a big time and finish at the rim. But it was champagne with those threes in the fourth quarter. He could third and fourth and then dear. And Fox is still quick as a cat. Versaille, Stephen Castle, those guys, they dug deep. And I tweeted, Joe, I tweeted, shay's legs are gone. Because if you notice, Joe, he didn't get that rest to start the second quarter. They knew the very first five minutes of that second quarter was going to be very important. He played 43 minutes. And I tweeted, I said, you know what? He's going to be looking to draw contact. Them legs gone. So. So look what he gonna do, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

And try to jump into somebody.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Just hold down. Look at the last shots that he took. Yeah, Way, way off. But I always felt the key to the series, Joe. And Joe, we're gonna turn it over to you. I said if Wemby outplays both of their bigs, they can't win this series. The last two games he's did a number on him. I don't know what. Chad, Chet took two shots, Joe.

[Shay]

I would get ready to ask you that.

[Ocho]

He took two shots. I don't know what he thought he was gonna do with them. I guess he thought they were like seven point shots.

[Shay]

Hey, he was nervous, he was scared. The moment was too much for him. Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Shay]

We've been talking about this the entirety of the playoffs and why sheth is

[Ocho]

Wimby was too much for him.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

The playoff tonight. This is the best defensive play in spurs history. Luke Cornett's block on Hardenstein.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

On a breakaway.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because that crowd was about to erupt. And they was about to be down too. But guess what happened? He blocks it. They go back the other way. And if I'm not mistaken, they go up seven. Yeah, that was the, that was the play of the game. That's the block. That is the, the block of the Spurs. And look, Tim Duncan has had some great ones, so is the Admiral. But, but there has never been a block in spurs history that's going to be comparable for that one. They're going to be talking about this for years and years to come. Joe, how did a team, the youngest team in the NBA go on the road, beat a two time mvp, a defending finals champ? How did they go on the road in a game seven and get it done, fellas.

[Joe]

San Antonio has always believed they were the better team. There's no. I'm talking about even before this series started, I feel like San Antonio felt they was better than OKC and they came out and proved it in this series, especially in this game seven. I thought Shay came ready to play Uncle Ocho, you know, he, he got off to a great start. He was attacking, he was making them tough tools. He was getting to his midi. You know, he, he's, he's virtually getting what he want. This probably was his best game statistically. Yeah, you know, probably since game two. But the other guys, outside of Cason Wallace in that fourth quarter who kept him in arms reach, man, the starting five was non existent. Lou, do check Homebridge Hardenstein, he played hard, he was physical. He your muscle, you know, he did what he could to slow Wimby down. But bro, if you can't get no scoring out of These dudes, How in the hell you think you finna be San Antonio? But I think what we have to do is give San. I have to give San Antonio a lot of credit because they're a hell of a defensive team and, and they were able to keep all those guys at bay. I thought OKC bench came in, gave them great minutes. Caruso, McCain, Big Jalen, Williams, I thought they all came in and competed. Yeah, but San Antonio, when you got all these guys hitting on all cylinders, shooting at a high field goal percentage, bro, they were just in tune. They were in sync. They, they understood the message. They knew they had to come into OKC and get one to make it to the finals. It was a hell of a performance by, by the Spurs. I, I give them that, bro. They, they showed me something that I didn't think, you know, I didn't think they was going to win this game. I thought OKC guys will play a lot better. It was just, it's just unfortunate. Like you say, Shea was so tired down the stretch, bro, you see when he shot that three, it was an air boss. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

What are you close? And the one before that one. Yeah, wasn't much better.

[Shay]

Hey, Joe. We don't need you to think no more, Joe. We need you to listen to me, huh? From now on, anytime we do basketball segments, especially during this spurs and Nick series, y' all listen to me. I need you to listen to me.

[Joe]

Do what you got, bro.

[Shay]

Listen, I'm not gonna steal you wrong. I'm not the one. Jesus got the wheel, but I'm in the passenger seat when it comes to talking basketball. I have elite ball knowledge. I don't watch the game, but I understand the game. So if this is because of y', all, because of y', all, y' all got me watching basketball now, so it's easy for me to get a better understanding who's gonna win based on style and matchups. I told you what was gonna happen. And that's exactly what happened. Okay?

[Joe]

Hey, hey. This man Lucky the house rat.

[Shay]

See you're hard headed.

[Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

You got some good picks. I give you credit, bro. You, you made it. You made some good picks.

[Shay]

Hey, Joe, I've been right the whole, the entirety of the playoffs. That ain't good. That ain't luck. That's not luck. Respect.

[Ocho]

Help me understand. I need somebody to help me understand my name.

[Joe]

What you need to understand, man?

[Ocho]

I can hear, you know, you've been challenged scoring. With the exception of maybe one game that you really got out the scoring has been there. Why wouldn't you start McCain or Caruso instead of Dork?

[Joe]

I don't know. Because Dork, even he, he been struggling. He ain't been giving you nothing, nothing, nothing on offense.

[Shay]

But you need him. You need him defensively, huh?

[Ocho]

But Caruso is just as good, but he's a better offensive guy because now I can help off Dork. Because, see, you see, the thing is, is that they would shift Chet, I mean, Wimby on him when they got to work. Women can help off him because he ain't gonna do nothing.

[Joe]

Right?

[Ocho]

I'll let, I'll let, I'll let him take his two, three, rainbow threes. I let him take that. He ain't no threat to put the ball on the floor. He's not gonna attack me, right? So I, I, I didn't get, I didn't get that. But I was very, very impressed. I think, I think. You know What I think Ms. Johnson has said, hey, man, I need y' all to play attention to Shannon Sharp's tweet because I say, man, y' all

[Joe]

don't get Harrison Barnes ass out of

[Ocho]

there and let Kelton Johnson, Bryant get those minutes as they right on. How many corner threes, Joe, is he gonna gag? I mean, they leave him wide open. He ain't even close. He not even close to making a basket. He don't do nothing. Look at that. Oh, he had a quadruple. Zeros, zero points, zero field goals, zero threes, zero free throws, zero rebounds, zero turnover, zero steals, zero blocks, minus five in three minutes. Boy, he was good and terrible.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, look, I think the. What, what helps San Antonio win this game. Obviously, collectively, as a team, they were hitting on all cylinders. But when you got champagne and Vassell, you know, playing the way they played, champion making shots, 6 for 10 from 3, 20 points, 6 rebounds. Bro, that's a plus. On the road. Like, I, I ain't, I, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't count, I didn't count him in as playing this great in this game. 7. The way he did that played unbelievable. And just, just the physicality of the game, fellas. I mean, just like, even from bringing the ball up, they, they let, they let him be real handsy today.

[Ocho]

They let him play tonight. Joe Ocho. They let him play.

[Joe]

Hey, they let him be handsy today. Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about. Hey, they were putting their hands on each other today, and the rest weren't called. A lot of it. I I, I, I can appreciate that. You know what I mean? A great physical battle, guys fighting through picks. I mean, hell, as soon as you cross half court, somebody had their hands on you, you know what I mean? I thought it was a great game. I, I love what, Ms. Johnson, what Mitch Johnson has done with this young San Antonio spurs team. He's put belief in those guys. Hey, man. And they following Wimby, bro. They, they gonna be scary. They gonna be scary.

[Ocho]

Oh, that. I'm like, let me see who the referee's gonna be. I see Mark Jones.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I see Tibbins.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I see Goble. I see my guy, Mitch Urban. Okay. They gonna let him play? Yeah, they're gonna let her play tonight. Hey, they were looking for, they're looking for files. What you want me to do?

[Shay]

Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

Get your ass up, Go back there, get on defense. Hey, hey.

[Shay]

Joe and uncle, they let him play in game six.

[Ocho]

They let him play, but that, but that's the thing. Are they going to let him play? Remember, in game five, in game five, they shot 38. 38 free throws.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Last game I think they shot 12. This game they shot 22. They was 32 of 38,

[Joe]

man.

[Ocho]

17 or 22. So you should, you, you shoot 16 fewer. Guess what? And that's 16 fuel points. I love the pace, Joe. Because remember, remember we talked about it? Joe. I said, joe. As long as they keep him below 60, they keep them near that, that 40. High 40s, maybe low to mid-50s. I like that pace that favors San Antonio. You let OKC, you let them jokers start touching that 60, 65, 70, you not beating them. You not beat.

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[Ocho]

And I know everybody was thinking like, man, Shay, look, give him that. He gonna make those tough threes. I. I don't believe he can get 50 points making those tough twos. I don't believe it. I believe his legs will go first. I say, look. What Give him that. And when the trap. Hey. When presented an opportunity to trap him.

[Joe]

Get him, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, Ms. Johnson. San Antonio.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Well deserved victory.

[Joe]

They are.

[Ocho]

Hey, this was unbelievable game. I mean but you look at the way they came out. Joe. The only listen watching this game and I'm. I'm watching it intently. Joe. If they don't let a man OKC was killing them on the glass. They were up. They. They were at. They were plus 10, plus 11. At one point there was plus 14.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It flipped around all of a sudden, guess what? The spurs win the rebound battle by two. Listen, man, at the rate they were going, they were gonna lose this game just on second chance points alone.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm like Cornette. You got one job and you're failing the assignment, son. But all is forgiven. After what you did to Hardenstein?

[Joe]

He made up all is forgiven.

[Shay]

Hey, that was big time. That was big time.

[Joe]

Listen, anytime your damn second best player take the least amount of shots on the team. Check. Took two shots. Everybody else who played took at least four damn shots, okay? Oo can you please tell me how in the hell you gonna win a game like that, man?

[Ocho]

You not that man.

[Joe]

You got.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

OkC. Got it. Got. Got. Got the Williams kid. That man played four minutes, bro. He took four shots. He took mo. He double wimy in shot attempts. High in the hell check. I mean check. How in the hell check home replay. 33 minutes, bro. You mean tell me he only get two attempts and Williams.

[Ocho]

And Williams had two fuel points.

[Joe]

Come on, man. Come on, man.

[Ocho]

What I'm gonna do with that, Joe? What I'm doing, Joe? What I'm gonna. Tell me. Oh, Joe. I need you and Joe to tell me what I'm gonna do with them damn four rebounds that check got.

[Joe]

Not a damn thing. You can't do nothing with them all. Can't do nothing.

[Shay]

I have a question. What's the question, Uncle Joe? We continue to talk about not taking advantage of the offensive opportunities, being scared to shoot the ball. Obviously the moment is too big for him. What if he's not the second best player on the team? What if he's not? What if we. What if we've. We've. We've made him the second best player. But he's really not. Because he's scared of the big moments.

[Ocho]

No, but I mean, you know, you're an all NBA player on both ends, on offense and defense. You. You get a max contract. Yeah, you gotta be. They paid you to be the second best player.

[Shay]

Hey, it ain't looking like it.

[Ocho]

No, it.

[Joe]

It didn't.

[Ocho]

And I don't know. And I don't know why they brought Jalen Williams ass back in game six. Joe, can you imagine if you leave it. At least give me something game. Cause you. Cause here's what's gonna happen if you lose game six. Guess what? He ain't gonna be ready to go game seven.

[Joe]

He couldn't. I'm gonna be honest. He couldn't have played in this game. No damn way they playing. You see how hard them dudes right there playing and touching and grabbing on each other, man.

[Ocho]

I do. I saw it.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, bro, this was. Hey, man, you had to have some willpower, you know what I mean? Like, I, I, I sense it from the start because I was thinking like, damn, hold on. San Antonio finna blow these boys out at home. I know they ain't gonna get game finna go out. Like, if they could have got.

[Ocho]

Kept them off the glass, they would have. That's what. If you think about it, Joe, when they, it changed. Because look at when Wimby goes out, when he goes out, they brought Cornett in, then they flipped it. They brought Jalen Williams in. Not Jalen. That man had nine rebounds and at the half. Nine rebounds.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Giving them second pants. Because here's the thing, Joe, they was up. Hey, they was up 11.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

All of a sudden you get a second chance point. It's down to a three, you're down to eight. And now you get another three, it's down to five. As opposed to one shot, one kill. Hey, you get one crack at it. If you don't put the ball in the damn basket. Guess what? We're going down to the other end.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And I don't know what Ms. Johnson told him at the half. He said, look here, everything, Damn fast breaks. I need everything to get on the glass.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Everybody, hey, get your squeegee, get your Windex. And I need you to get on the glass.

[Joe]

Hey. And you seen how Wimby started the damn game. His first play was to the bucket. Gave you that shoulder. Create some space off the.

[Ocho]

Out the glass.

[Joe]

I said, oh, damn.

[Ocho]

A big wheel.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Shay]

It's gonna be a long night.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I love the closeness of this team. You see Wimby. Bryant was down there. His coach chewed his ass out. I'm proud of you. You see him, he goes over and he's talking and he's leaning on Bismarck. Biombo.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Ain't played and give them anything but leadership.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

And working with Wimby, pushing on. This is what you two, this is what you're gonna need to expect in this game. This is how what you should do. He's been a. He's been the mentor that he's needed. Look, I understand that Duncan. What Duncan is. I understand what Robinson. But they're not going to be there every day. They're not going to be on a. Put me. Put Biyombo's room there right next to Wimby. As a matter of fact, get them Joining room. Get him a presidential suite with a joining door so he can go in there and check on it. Hey, that's. But that's, that's invaluable. He, I think he knows it now, Joe, but he's going to look back down the road and you know, you hear how guys talk about. You talk about how Antoine and Paul Pierce and those guys, what they gave you.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

He will look back five, ten years down the road from now and says, man, what Bismarck Biyombo gave me, that was some of the best NBA advice I could have ever received. Yeah, he is a natural born leader. Yeah, he is a natural born leader. Now he. Yeah, yeah. He get fiery at time, but the compassion that he shows because he knows everybody is not on his talent level and so he can't be hard on them like he would can himself. Yeah, but the way he put his arms around the young man the other night, the way he, the man sitting on the floor and he said, I'm proud of you.

[Joe]

Yeah, big time.

[Ocho]

He came in there, he didn't play what he played three minutes tonight. He played three minutes. Three minutes. Gave you a rebound, gave you a tough bucket. The only spurs player. I tell you what chat, tell me. The only player that played for the spurs that was minus and plus. Minus. I give you one guess.

[Joe]

Oh, man, come on, man.

[Ocho]

Give you one guess. You got champagne plus 16, you got Wimby, plus plus seven. You got Darren Fox plus three. Vel. No, no, not plus. But he wasn't minus. Stefan Castle plus one, plus six by Johnson, plus two by Brian, plus one by Harper, plus one by Cornette, plus nine by Harper. Give it the guy that got minus.

[Joe]

Who, who got the minor.

[Ocho]

Harrison bar Boy. Look it, that joke ain't what the elephant left on the showground. And anybody that's ever been to the circus, y' all know what the elephant leave on the show.

[Joe]

The man only played three and a half minutes.

[Ocho]

That was too many.

[Shay]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho]

However many minutes he played, that was three too many. And look what. And guess what? You see that? You see Coach got his ass about it, didn't he?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And went to them young boys. You're talking about a guy that's been on an NBA championship team. He was a starter on an NBA championships team. A starter on another team, on another team that finished run up.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And in a moment like this with all these young ass guys, the coach trusted guys in the first, second or third year more than he trusted a seven, eight, nine year veteran. Yeah, that should tell you everything you need to know. Everybody else, everybody else. Hey, he, hey, he ain't got to get no workout.

[Joe]

Hey, San Antonio having seven guys and double figures, fellas. Hey, look, you talk about Bismack, Biombo having that leadership for Wimby, showing him the ropes. I like Kelly Olenek too. I think this is what a lot of these young teams are missing, that veteran presence. Yes, but guys who, if you need them to play, hell, they can step in and play, give you a few hard fouls or whatever the case may be like they did the other night. But for the most part, helping these young guys along the way, showing them the ropes, you know, keeping them level headed and helping them understand the moment that they're in. Bro, every team needs this. But you take the veteran guys out because you know the veteran minimum may be three, four, Me, they ain't, they don't want to pay that, so they rather go with a two way guy. So that's why you, that's why you have a lot of these teams, bro, that don't have a veteran presence and you have to deal with a lot of bs, you know what I mean? So I'm happy for San Antonio, bro. I'm happy for San Antonio. I'll be honest with y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Joe]

I think they have a, a great upside and I think they have a great chance obviously to win a title this year.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they played unbelievable. For this team to be as young as they are and to go on the road and to beat the defending champs in their building with a two time league mvp, I don't know. Look, I'm trying to think when something of this magnitude has happened to lose a Game 7 after the defending champ at home Western Conference final on your home court. Chad, y' all help me out. When's the last time it's been done?

[Joe]

I don't know, man. I'm gonna be honest. I don't know.

[Shay]

Hey, it's the first time for everything, Uncle Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, and chat and. Excuse me and Shay gonna get some criticism. Wait, Just like all. Just like all other two time MVPs lose a home game in game seven, just like we rip. You remember last year when we ripped Jokic? Yeah, for losing. Y' all remember that, right? Joe, You. I don't know, Joe, I think you was on here. You remember that? Yeah, the same way we ripped LeBron because we hold guys with MVPs to a higher standard. The same way they criticize Lamar more harsh than they criticize a Josh Allen or, or a Joe Burrow. Or, or. Or. Or a Trevor Lawrence or. What's the guy at the Chargers? Ocho Herbert.

[Shay]

Justin Herbert.

[Ocho]

Justin Herbert.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

In the hell he going away for two weeks? Nope. But that's nothing. We'll talk about that at some point in time. That's unacceptable in my book. But go ahead. Death in the family. I get it. Wife having a child. I get it. But your wife on a press junket and you. But anyway, we don't get back to our normally scheduled programming. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We don't let that slide.

[Shay]

I got a question too. Talk about when you talk about criticizing.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Shay]

You still criticize him. As well as he played tonight,

[Ocho]

he didn't play well. I mean, if you think about it, as Joe said, in five, six, he was. Hasn't been very good. They were better with. You go back and look at them, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Look at what they plug when he was off the court, what they did. I'm not saying in the chat. Cause y' all know how y' all try to clip it. I'm not saying they're a better team without him. I'm saying when he went to the bench. Look at. Okay, when Wemby go to the bench, what happens when other. Other superstars go to the bench?

[Ad]

Right?

[Ocho]

What happens? He did not play well enough. What he shot. He shot 40%. A guy that shot 53% in the regular season shot 40%.

[Joe]

Damn. I understand what you saying. I gotta give you a little pushback on that, though.

[Ocho]

Go ahead.

[Joe]

I mean, game seven, when I need the damn. Have it. I'm talking about I need to have it.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I thought he brought it, bro. Now, I thought his supporting cast, the guys off the bench, who's been consistent, the Carusos, the McCain's, Williams. But damn, when first off, we got J Dub out. That's. That's. That's another all Star, Max.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

And you got A.J. mitchell out this. I mean, two guys who. Who are bucket getters.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

In that starting lineup, outside of Wallace, like I said, in that fourth quarter, making a lot he ain't got.

[Ocho]

Damn. What are you supposed to do? But that's what I asked Joe. Why not start a guy that can give you more production offensively? Because your problem is scoring. Your problem is. Is allowing Wimby to be Ed Reed. Your problem is a guy that you're allowing them to play five on four.

[Shay]

Right?

[Ocho]

That was your problem.

[Joe]

Look, that. That is your problem. But we Also hadn't lost. Well, they lost game one. They had been playing pretty well at home. You know what I mean?

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Because they are the defending champs. What were they? They weren't going to take Luke Dork out the starting lineup.

[Ocho]

Fellas.

[Joe]

They weren't gonna do that.

[Ocho]

Call for desperate measures.

[Joe]

I unders. I understand that. But not.

[Shay]

Not in the game seven, huh?

[Ocho]

This team from the very beginning, every time they beat him, they said, you go back and listen to Wimpy's comments. It says it gives us confidence. We know we can compete with this team. We're not in awe of this team. And when they beat you in one C, the problem that you have is that they beat you. You know, if you beat somebody one time, guess what? You believe you can beat them again.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

You can beat. And guess where they beat him at game one. The only difference, there are six games in between. Yeah, that's the only difference is still in Oklahoma City. They still got the two time defending. They still got the two time mvp. They still are reigning champs. Nothing changed in my mind. Ms. Johnson probably told him, guys, the only difference is we beat him in game one. This is game seven. Who to say we're not supposed to beat him in game seven.

[Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

Just because. Just because it's there. We've already been there. We've already done that. But there are some games. Joe, when he scored 19. When he scored. When he scored. The mere fact that they in this position. Yeah. The starters ain't give them much. Their bench was sensational.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You can't say anything about that. Think about it. Hold on. Tonight, 23, 35, you got 37 points from your bench. Finally, finally. It was close. You got Dylan Harper. Dylan Harper hit some big threes tonight.

[Shay]

Big threes.

[Ocho]

Big threes tonight. Got on the glass. You see him get that rebound, put that pullback and start the bar. The dogs in the house. Any dogs in the house? Any dog to the house. I said, come on, Kell. Kale got on that glass on him.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, he said he the biggest dog in this yard.

[Ocho]

He did. He absolutely did.

[Joe]

I love what Harper brings to the game, bro. A 20 year old rookie who looks like he's been in the league for seven to eight years, bro. I'm talking about fellas. It's hard to come by. You know they had San Antonio had the number two pick this year, bro. And they drafted Dylan Harper. So to be in this position to where you got Harper, Castle, Wimby, Fox, bro. The future is so bright for these

[Ocho]

Dudes, Joe and Fox. Hey, Fox played his ass off tonight. Game five and six, he played better. He got more points in game five in game seven than he had in five and six combined. He looked good. He looked like. I was like, man, get up all the Fox and let it work on these foods. Couldn't nobody stay in front of him, man. Not Dork, not Caruso, not Wallace, none of them.

[Joe]

You see, he had all of them

[Ocho]

on the slip and slide.

[Joe]

You see how fast that boy is out there, man?

[Shay]

He's too quick.

[Ocho]

Quick of the cat on the marble table.

[Shay]

Too quick and too explosive. You know what I like about the young rookie? Harper too.

[Ocho]

What else?

[Shay]

The moment ain't too big for him, Joe.

[Ocho]

Nope.

[Shay]

Ain't too big for him. Hitting those big threes like that. Yeah, beautiful. Now I wish he playing with confidence. That goddamn bad. Bad.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Shay]

I don't mean to butcher his first name, but those are the shots he's supposed to be making tonight. At his height, Ocho, he take but

[Joe]

two you gotta get.

[Ocho]

You can't make no shots if you don't take any.

[Joe]

You gotta. You gotta give yourself a damn chance.

[Shay]

You're not playing with confidence. That's why you're not taking the shots.

[Ocho]

Man, listen, but when they put that. You're right, Ocho, because you look at who they had to go. They had Vassell guarding that, man.

[Joe]

Oh, man, they got.

[Ocho]

They got the sale gardening.

[Joe]

No, no.

[Ocho]

The Vercel is a hell of a defender, but at 7 foot, I ain't hovered. And maybe that's. Maybe that's how they got him playing, Joe, because they don't really use him in the post up game because that's not his game. He floats around because you won't. You won't shay to have access to the paint.

[Joe]

I'm sorry, I. I wish I could agree with you on that, but I can't because I'm gonna tell y' all why. They were in that pick and roll numerous of times tonight, and Fox was on. Switched on him a couple times. His ass didn't duck in. Didn't, didn't, didn't. Didn't make himself big or nothing. He just circuing to the switch and then goes out to the corner three. I'm like, bro, stand right, Get a damn three seconds, make their ass throw you the damn ball. Ain't no way in hell Fox supposed to be guarding them.

[Ocho]

Guess who's on the. Guess who's on the weak side.

[Joe]

I don't care who, but he. You listen he gonna have to come over here and help and let me spray to the corner. But listen, if we just gonna let Shay play in isolation the whole game. Yeah, I know he kind of got it going in this game, but the damn fourth quarter, he ain't got nothing in the tank.

[Ocho]

But that's Joe, what did you say? Let Shay. Let Shay get his and shut the water off of everybody else. That's what you've been preaching.

[Joe]

But the only reason they water shut out, because hell, you ain't giving yourself a fighting chance. I'm the man in no rhythm.

[Ocho]

Watch them fall. I just been clapping all night. Now all of a sudden, Joe, oh, Joe. He want me to go get a basket and I've been using the hand to clap.

[Joe]

Oh, the man played 33 minutes, bro. Took two shots. Come on, man.

[Shay]

There's only, only one answer behind that. Only take two shots. I'm nervous. The moment is too big for me. I'm not confident in my shot. I'm not in rhythm.

[Ocho]

I, I agree.

[Joe]

Cause I'm not gonna even lie. There was a few times, especially the times Wimby Garden, he don't even look at the damn.

[Ocho]

I told you.

[Joe]

He don't even look at the rim.

[Ocho]

Get this ball, man.

[Joe]

Like, he don't even make himself a threat. But not only that, I think when San Antonio was making shots like, how everybody, bro, they gonna be impossible to beat.

[Ocho]

Yeah, like.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? Like when they get off the starts like that and they three after three, I mean, hell, they were 17 for 40 from the three fellas at 42, bro, that's. That's pretty damn good on the road. Game seven.

[Ocho]

In the game seven, Joe. It. It would think about it, because every time Wallace hit one, Champagne, he come right back behind him and hit one. And then they hit somebody, somebody else hit another one. Here come Champagne right behind them. Yeah, a fox right behind him. Dylan Harper right behind him. So it was every time, Every time you do something, okay, they had an answer. They had an answer. And see, that is where OKC normally gets their opponent. Because when they go on their run, normally teams don't have an answer. Go back and look at them in the first round, they did Phoenix. Phoenix might have a lead, but then when they go on the run, they can't suppress it. You look at the Lakers. Every time they couldn't, nobody could answer it. And so now all of a sudden you got somebody that's just as young, just as athletic, and they got a guy that's seven, four and A half seven five that can make shots. That's not afraid to take a shot. Joe, did you see that man pull up from the three?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, I did.

[Ocho]

That man put a step back. He's about to drive on Jaylen Williams. He said, nah. He said, come here. He said, can I have this dance? He said, you've been a wallflower all night. Nobody asked to dance with you. Shall I. Hey, hey, he. Man, look here. This is unbelievable, man. It is crazy. Hold on.

[Shay]

It's unbelievable to y'.

[Joe]

All. Oh, here he go.

[Shay]

I'm gonna tell you this all night, huh?

[Joe]

We gotta sit here and listen to this all night, man.

[Shay]

Oh, Joe, I'm just telling you. I mean no disrespect. What you saw tonight, what you witnessed tonight, it's unbelievable to y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Shay]

I told you what was gonna happen. And you know what? Who you got in the final, Joe?

[Joe]

I got. I got the Spurs.

[Shay]

Yeah, here we go again with the uncle. You got the final.

[Ocho]

We got. We got another game between. Before they play again. So we got. We got tomorrow night. We got Monday night. We good.

[Joe]

What you mean right now?

[Ocho]

Right now, Joe, you ain't got to pick. Let's just. Let's focus on this game.

[Shay]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we got Monday.

[Shay]

What you scared of?

[Ocho]

We gonna pick all. We gonna pick the games on Monday.

[Shay]

Okay, we'll wait. I mean, listen, your answer ain't gonna change from now to Monday.

[Ocho]

You don't know my answer.

[Joe]

He feel. Hey, he feeling good tonight. Hey, the boy.

[Shay]

Time out. I've been feeling good since the NBA playoff started because I knew it was gonna happen. I got every playoff series right, Everyone. That's not luck. That's ball knowledge, which y' all don't

[Joe]

have you janky as hell

[Ocho]

today. Oh, hey, hey, Joe and Ocho, you know today was Harrison Barnes birthday.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And the man went off on his birthday.

[Joe]

What a hell of a guy. Hey, you gotta chill. Hey, you gotta chill.

[Ocho]

They.

[Joe]

They gotta win for him on his birthday. Hey, man, listen. I've been running the people. That's all. They've been talking about how they thought the spurs was gonna win. And this. I be doggone. Any boys did that, man. They did that.

[Ocho]

That's the thing, though, Joe, you know this. In a Game seven. It ain't promised.

[Joe]

It ain't, bro.

[Ocho]

People just say, well, they're at home, okay? And. Because in order. If you're the home team, in order for it to get the Game seven. The team, the visiting team had to have won one game in your place. If you win one, why can't you win two? Hey, the prop, the thing that the spurs can do that not very many teams, if any can do, they can match up with them. Talent for talent, athlete for athlete. I don't know if any other team can match up with them like that. Joe, when you look at. You look at Champagne and Bass, Vassal and Castle and Kelvin Johnson and Dylan Harper. Oh, we can go with Jalen Williams. We can go with Caruso. We can go with McCain. We can. Yeah, we can. Isaiah Jo, we can match up with him player for player. But we got something y' all don't. He 75.

[Shay]

Hey, hey, I'm glad. I love that little soliloquy, you know, you just gave on the spurs, but for some reason, knowing everything, you know, for some reason, y' all still pick the Thunder.

[Ocho]

You picked Miami to make the playoffs. Who Ocho win this year?

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[Joe]

Come on, man. Come on, man. Stop it. Damn.

[Ocho]

Wait a minute.

[Shay]

When did I. When did I say that?

[Ocho]

You say this. You said the Heat was gonna make the playoffs. They got the play in. Oh, we got D, boys here. Hold on.

[Shay]

I was just playing.

[Ocho]

Were you playing when you picked the Spurs?

[Shay]

When it. When it mattered. When it mattered most. When it was time to get serious and the playoff started? When the. When the. When the. When it. Not playing. When the playoff started. I told you every series and how it was gonna go, and it played out exactly how I said. And the same thing gonna happen for the finals. I tell you what. I'm not even gonna tell you who gonna win the finals. But I know one thing. New York City gonna be flipped upside down.

[Ocho]

Wemby is the 20, 26 Western Conference most Valuable player. The Irvin Johnson trophy. That's what it's named after. Urban Magic Johnson. The Eastern Conference have the Larry Bird trophy. Here's a video of Wimby receiving the trophy. Boy, I sure hate when that joker have kids and hold something over his head. The kids try to get it.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Ocho]

The kids gonna have to be on top of the house. He got the co. Hey, man, let

[Joe]

me tell y' all something. Real talk. They made. That young man there is determined. He's determined to win this year, bro.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

He has an attitude, and it's infectious because it runs through the rest of those guys who.

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[Joe]

Who compete on their team with him. And they love him, bro. You can see it. It's oozing. And he lead, and he's leading, right? You know, he comes in, he plays hard. He plays the right way. He plays winning basketball. And he is a human cheat code. He is a human cheat code.

[Shay]

He is.

[Ocho]

That's. That's it. I think. I think sometimes the greatest. A leader's greatest attributes is. Is how he treats his teammates.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

How he gets them ready to play. Not only does he lead by example, they see how hard he works. They see he's in early, probably out late. They see how hard he plays on the court. It's. Oh. You got to realize there ain't very many people. There ain't ever been that many people that's ever been alive that's been that tall. He ain't. He's not cumbersome. He gets up and down. I mean, most guys, they can't. They that side, they can't move no slow. He can move. No, he ain't. No, he. He ain't Shaq. He can't get up and down the court like a Shaq. But to be 7:5 and a half, 7:4 and a half, 7:5 with shoes and as hard as he plays, bro, he trying to get back on defense. Yeah, it's taking. I'm watching him. He playing so hard. Joe, about two minutes into the game, he already got his hands on his shorts. It takes a lot to fuel that big body.

[Joe]

Hey, you got to get through that second win. You gotta get.

[Ocho]

Because you know you gotta blow through that first. Oh.

[Joe]

Because the pressure's so high. It's game seven.

[Ocho]

So, yes.

[Joe]

Soon as the tip go, you. You in full throttle like hell. You ain't even taking a damn breath, and you don't even know it. So by the time you figure that out, you grabbing your shorts. But I.

[Ocho]

The intensity is so thick, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, my.

[Ocho]

That's why you can't breathe. It's because the intensity is sucking up all the oxygen. You understand the gravity of this game? Yeah, man. It was. It was unbelievable that the way they came out. You could tell the way they came out. Joe, the first two minutes of the ball game, I was like, boy, okay. See y' all got your hands full tonight.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. It ain't taking nothing but the first play for me. Uncle Ocho, seriously, when he called it at the three and he drove on Hardenstein and he gave him that bump and he shot it off the glass.

[Shay]

Oh, it's gonna be a long night.

[Joe]

It's gonna be a long because that's the last thing you want, bro, is for your they best player to get an easy bucket to start the game. And now look how he get back on defense. He point. He ready?

[Ocho]

He. Yep.

[Joe]

Hey, you get. You let him get going, bro. It's hard to cool. Next thing you know, it's. It's a ripple effect. Everybody's knocking down shots now. Everybody's playing hard. They didn't built the league up to about 13, 14. I said, man, listen.

[Ocho]

Players with 175 plus points and 15 blocks in a conference finals. They've only been three. Prior to this series, there had only been two. One, Shaquille O', Neal, the other Hakeem Olajuwon. And now Wemby joins this elite illustrious group to this list. Players with 175 plus points, 15 plus blocks and a conference finals. Wemby responds to the criticism for crying on the court. Personally, I refuse to carry the burden of hiding my emotions.

[Joe]

I love it. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because you know what they do? They try to. Well, such and such didn't cry. That's him. Well, such and such did do it. That's him. Yeah, bro. Look here, I got some. I got Kleenex. You gonna play like that? This dude is unbelievable, man. How can you. He might be. When it's all said and done. Yeah, he might be one of the most liked NBA players in the history of the game. And we've had some beloved players.

[Shay]

Yes.

[Ocho]

But it's hard to find someone, even if you don't root for the spurs to dislike this young man.

[Joe]

It is, bro.

[Shay]

Hey, he doing everything right, huh? He doing everything right. Some. Some players just the way they carry themselves, they're just likable. Yeah, it's likable. But then you always gonna have. You're always gonna have, you know, your select few who won't find a reason to hate for no reason.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shay]

Even though there isn't. There's really nothing you could find to say really bad about it. They being critical of someone showing emotion. At what point Emotion bad. Joe.

[Ocho]

Every player. There's only one player that had a positive plus minus. That was Jalen Williams. He came off the bench in 26 minutes, gave you a double double. He gave you 11 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists. He was plus 10. Big House minus 14. Check. Minus 3. Shea minus 7, Lou Dort minus 9, Casey Wallace minus 3. Caruso minus 5. Kendrick Williams minus 1. Jerry McCain minus 8. Those ball. Those got those boys young men, they ball their ass out tonight. Cardio check. All NBA, all NBA gave you 4.4 rebounds. Hey, Dylan Harper came off the bench. He was a rookie. Gave you seven rebounds. Yeah, she had had four.

[Joe]

Listen, the. The spurs have grown throughout this whole post season, fellas, starting with the Blazers to Minnesota. Yes, the okc. I felt the Minnesota series prepared them for this series because of the physicality. And Wimby knew what. Knew how he had to respond, knew how he had to play, knew how he had to play through the physicality. I thought he was terrific, you know, pretty much throughout every game this series, man.

[Ocho]

That one, Joe, the. Which. Which one you talk about Wimby. Yeah, you remember game five, Joe. And there was a couple of games. He had one game, he had one rebound at the half. I said, come on with me now.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, but. But since then, since that. That talk Pop had with him.

[Shay]

Oh, yeah, Game six and seven, he was on fire.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Shay]

He.

[Joe]

He had it on his mind, man. And you can tell from the start of the game, you look at Game 6 in San Antonio, how he got off to that great start, you know, determined to put his stamp on the game. And this game seven, the way he started the game, bro, just being aggressive, putting his head down, getting to the basket. Hey, man, it.

[Ocho]

It.

[Joe]

It. It ran through the. Ran through those other guys. I think it oozes confidence into those other guys. I love what Castle has done. I. I think he will. He. He'll probably make a few defensive. Defensive teams. Okay. Ocho Castle.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, he should.

[Joe]

Yeah. I mean, you. You look at what he done to Shay. The. The way he competed against Shay throughout this whole series. I ain't talking about just defense. I'm talking offensively going in his damn man too.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Plus, the thing is, Joe, okay, you like with Shake Shay average this. What, what? He didn't get his. That he didn't get his regular season average. And he damn sure didn't shoot the percentage that he shot in the regular season. So that's because of. And I thought all those guys, they didn't have no problem. Vassal Vesel would take him. Champagne would take him. Deer and Fox would take him. Sometimes you can't be afraid of the moment. I think sometimes when they see these big time players come up and they're like, oh, Lord have mercy. Oh, what oo. What did I. Why No. Hell no. I. I'll be in all you tomorrow. Today I'm going at your throat.

[Joe]

You hear me? You got to work. You got to work for every bucket you.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. I'm not saying that you're not going to score.

[Shay]

Yeah, you're gonna work.

[Ocho]

You best damn believe I'm gonna make it as difficult as possible I can on your ass.

[Joe]

And they. And you know what for San Antonio, bro, they don't have no liabilities on defense.

[Ocho]

Even.

[Joe]

Even when you look at Fox. Hell, he can guard his butt off. You know what I mean?

[Ocho]

Would he want to? Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah. He can guard when he want to. But listen, when you put Harp in there, man, just seem like it's just, it's just a different ball game because he plays like a big guard. A real big.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? He's always going to be under control. He's a young player. So he may give you a couple turnovers here and then you have to live with them.

[Ocho]

Live with it.

[Joe]

But bro, for a 20 year old to be out there handling that pressure the way he's handled that pressure, man, he's such a key component to what they do.

[Ocho]

The, the key is, is that having a team early on in your career and have a team surround you, man. See you don't. Wimby is not gonna have to wait four years, five years, six years. This team is already built.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

To his liking. You look at Larry Bird. They go to a situation. He already got Mikhail.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

He already got Parrish. Now guess what they bring in. They bring in Nate Archibald. Tiny Archibald. They get rid of Tiny Archibald. Guess what? They bring in Dennis Johnson.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And they already had Cornbread. So think about that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Magic. He goes to a team. They got Kareem, they got Jamal Wilkes, they got Storming Norman. Nixon.

[Shay]

No.

[Ocho]

So he's not gonna have to wait. Well, you know, they need a few more pieces. They got every damn thing they need right now to. To win a championship. Forget competing. They got. They got everything they need to win a championship.

[Joe]

I agree. It's like cuz, look, your bench is going to play a big role and they got some. They got some great guys coming off that bench. Harper and Keldon Johnson even coordinated at times. I'm sure Harrison Barnes will be a little better in the finals. Un. He probably.

[Ocho]

Are you sure?

[Shay]

Hey, but un. I got a question.

[Ocho]

Hey, what's.

[Shay]

Listen, when we talk about the spurs, right? Think about this. What are you expecting from Harrison Barnes when he does get the two or three minutes that he does he coming in to give someone else a rest?

[Ocho]

Ocho, why you think he only getting two or three minutes and not five, ten minutes? Tell me why you think he only getting two to three minutes? Tell me what you think which in your best, in your basketball, you watch basketball, your knowledge is not like Joe's and I, but when you watch, why is he only getting two and three minutes and not eight to 10 minutes?

[Joe]

You got to come in making a. Oh, oh.

[Ocho]

That's why.

[Shay]

Hey, listen, come, come in, come in. Don't make any mistakes. Play defense. If you got a shot and you open, take your shot. If you miss, so be it. But we need to give your starter, whoever you coming in for, we need to give them two, three minutes, let them catch their breath before they come in. That's all. Just don't make no minimize your errors.

[Ocho]

If you are, if you a 10 year vet, 10 year vet, 12 year vet, talk to me and they, you the third, you the third receiver, you go in there and the next thing you know, next, next drive, they got the rookies playing in front of you. That's gonna tell you something, ain't it?

[Shay]

Hey, the, the rookie playing in front of them, them boy, them boys some dogs.

[Ocho]

Now, I don't care who guess what Adam played in front of rookies drafted in the first round. Until I leave, you're not gonna play unless I get tired. Raise my hand and I'm tired. You can come in. Hey, but you're not gonna finna beat me out for this job. Hey, so wait your turn.

[Shay]

Hey, think about what you just said. The rookies that's playing in front of him is much better than he is. And they add their, their, they add a little bit more value to.

[Ocho]

They brought Carter Bryant in, they bringing Sheldon Kelton in, they bringing everybody in besides you, bro. Bro, you, you were on a championship winning team as a key member.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. He's there for another great veteran presence. Yeah, we'll throw you in. We'll throw you in every now and then, you know what I mean? If you making shots, hell, we'll keep you in. If you ain't making no shots, you got to come over here and coach.

[Ocho]

Oh, you know what? I know why he there. I know exactly why he there.

[Joe]

Why there?

[Ocho]

He's the interpreter. Because when they kick, when they kick Wimby out, he explained to him, he let nobody else know what to do. He, he could understand, he could interpret for women. That's why you're there.

[Joe]

Women say what that interpreter. When women say what that mean

[Ocho]

you got ejected. Who got me? They threw me out. Oh, okay.

[Shay]

You say he explained it to him in French, huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. So that what he there for? That's what he there for. Hey, boy, look at this. Hey, that extension kicks in for Chet this season. Now, in 26, 27, he'll make 41.3, 44.6, 47.9, 51.2, and 54.5 for a grand total of $239.3 million. And he didn't get the escalators for making all NBA. Had he made it, that would have been an extra 45 on top of that.

[Shay]

You can't be scared of the moment. That's all it is. You can't be scared of the moment. You got to take a shot. Shooters, shooters, keep shooting.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shay]

At your height. Nobody should be able to do anything with you out there. Impose your will on whoever it is.

[Joe]

What?

[Ocho]

Joe Ocho, if I go to the party, man, the party, boy. Man, you girls ain't nothing. Well, how many you talk to? I ain't talk to nothing. That's why the party was nothing. So you thought they was just gonna come up to you and just give you their number or ask you out? Yeah. Who did you talk to? Did you ask any of them to dance? Did you ask any of them, you know, what's your name? Where you from? What you do? Nah, man, I was just chilling, man. I was just. Okay. Yeah, well, let me tell you, I had me a great old time.

[Joe]

Yeah, you. Hey, hey. You gotta assert yourself in there, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, matter of fact, before they got the phone. Oh, hey, you know, at the end of the night, everybody a pocket full of those.

[Shay]

Hey, hey, you heard what Joe just said, right?

[Joe]

What's that?

[Shay]

You gotta assert yourself, uncle. You know what you got, Joe? You know what you have when you play?

[Ocho]

What?

[Shay]

You know, what you have, what you play when you play.

[Ocho]

Confidence.

[Shay]

Confidence. Confidence is all it takes in anything that you do. If you got that, you good. He was not playing with confidence, which is why he only had two shots, man.

[Ocho]

N. He played like. But guess what? He played like comedy. Who he guard by? DeAndre Aen. He play with comedy. Who he guard. Guard guarded by ruy. But then all of a sudden, that set. That alien. Now, bro,

[Joe]

when he had. I'm telling y', all, it was way too many times where he had a smaller guy swished on him, and he just. And he did nothing. He didn't. He didn't try to duck in. He didn't try to get the mismatch. Okay, boom. I'm get the double team. I'm going to be able to swing. Swing. We're going to have a wide open three on the. On the weak side, bro. It was just like he was just out there.

[Shay]

Hold on, Joe. When he did get the ball. When he did get the ball on the picks, on the switches, he gave the ball up. Ocho the man, he didn't even look at the guy. Excuse me. I've been doing good without saying God damn. He didn't even look at the rim.

[Joe]

He didn't.

[Shay]

Bro, he's looking to pass.

[Joe]

And they didn't need. They didn't need another damn pass. They needed somebody to assert themselves, to go with.

[Ocho]

Go with. Go with shape.

[Joe]

To go with shape. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

It was like, that pays with that intensity. Joe, you thought Shay was going to be able to keep that up?

[Joe]

No, I thought somebody.

[Ocho]

They could. They could run. They can run Castle at it. They can run champagne at him. They can run for sale at it. They can run. They can put Kelton Johnson on him. They can put. They can put Carter Bryant on him. They can go dear and Fox. So they got six guys. Now, maybe all don't defend him the same or it's equally as well, but I got six guys. I can throw at one.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. And.

[Ocho]

And so he needed somebody to come and look at him. Hey, bro, hey, hey, you know how it is. Hey, man, I'm getting ready to take a trip. I'm going over here, man, such and such. You want to roll with your boy, she. Man, I ain't got nothing else to do.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hell, yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, man, it's a Game seven, man. You know, I'm a ball out. Anybody else want to roll out with me? Chad said, well, hey, let me find somebody that want. They want to go. Hey,

[Joe]

Hey, you gotta chill. You gotta chill. You gotta.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. He going,

[Shay]

hey, hey, Joe. Once that confidence is shot, boy, well, it's hell getting it back, man.

[Joe]

Ocho back.

[Shay]

I know. I know what he looked when he played against the Lakers, man.

[Joe]

Damn, that. This. Hey, this Game seven, these. These guys are proven winners. They've been in these situations before. They played a Game 7, hell in the finals last year. You know what I mean?

[Shay]

I think he had to deal with it earlier, but.

[Joe]

But I. I get that. But once Shay got it going tonight and San Antonio started to switch up their defense, they started trapping him on the pick and rolls, making him get a ball up. Yeah, they were getting nothing when he was giving the ball up, bro. It's like he'll get a ball up some way, somehow it'll find his way right back to him.

[Ocho]

When.

[Joe]

Damn, y' all playing on. Y' all playing a four on Three. We got to be able to get something out of that, bro. They wouldn't getting nothing out of those when they stopped. When San Antonio started putting that double team on Shay, they was not getting no easy buck. It seemed like every point that OKC had to come by, they had to work extra hard. And then you come down. Boom. Championing for three, Harper for three, Fox for three. They were scoring at will.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's. That's embarrassing. I told that, but you know about Shay looking for somebody to come along with me. And Chet said, let me go find somebody because that actually happened. We was in a game one time and we needed a defensive lineman to. To go in there on Pat.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And the D lineman was standing right next to him. Coach like, God damn, we need a D lineman. He said, hey, hey, we need a D lineman. He a D line was standing right next to coach. Close it. God damn, we need a D lineman to get in there, be like, hey, coach say we need a D lineman.

[Joe]

He say, damn, Dad, I ain't going in.

[Ocho]

There's stuff like that, Joe, that, you know what? If you, if. If you weren't there, you wouldn't believe somebody like you. Hey, get it. Nah, nah, that ain't for me. He meant somebody other than me.

[Joe]

Right?

[Ocho]

Right. Julian Champagne in Game 7, 20.6 rebound. He was 6 to 10 for the three point from the three pointer. That's the most threes by spurs in a game seven.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

A spur. Excuse me. In a game seven players to make over five threes in a conference final game. Splash bros. Steph and Clay. Now Champagne joins that list. Every big three, bro. He answered every bail and every call that the Thunder put out. He answered it. Yeah, with a three of his own.

[Joe]

He did.

[Ocho]

Hey, and Shea hit a tough man. Shay hit 1 3. He was falling to his left.

[Joe]

Hey, doing whatever, Wallace.

[Ocho]

Hey. And. And the time running out. Jalen Williams let one go. Joe and Ocho, he make it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Champion. Say and.

[Joe]

Yeah, right back at you.

[Ocho]

And I ain't scared.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, San Antonio showed me some fellas. I'm be honest with you. I did not have him winning this game seven in OKC.

[Ocho]

Players with at least 125 points, 50 assists in a Western Conference finals this century. Kobe, Russ Shea, Stefan Castle

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

Hey, Stefan Castle is nice fellas. He probably done grew on a lot of people.

[Shay]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

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