Nightcap Hour 2: ESPN’s List of Top 20 Players in 2026 Finals + Rachel Nichols GIVES UPDATE on Charles Oakley x James Dolan BEEF + VIRAL Clip of Man vs Woman Lining Up + Aaron Donald THINKING About RETURN

Summary

Nightcap – Hour 2 (June 4, 2026)

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Uncle"/"Unc"), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho"), and Joe
Main Theme: Unfiltered reactions and debates on NBA Finals storylines, ESPN’s Top 20 Finals players, the latest on the Charles Oakley vs. James Dolan feud, viral social media moments, and the evolving NFL landscape.

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Episode Overview

This jam-packed second hour of Nightcap delivers sharp debate on ESPN's Top 20 NBA Finals players for 2026, delves into the still-burning Charles Oakley vs. James Dolan feud with fresh insight from Rachel Nichols, reacts to a viral "man vs. woman" sports clip, and sees the hosts riffing on everything from bench play to billionaire mindsets. It's vintage Nightcap: animated, raw, and peppered with quick jokes and honest banter between three of sports podcasting's most dynamic personalities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

ESPN’s Top 20 NBA Finals Players (03:48–12:50)

Context: ESPN released its list of the top 20 players in the 2026 NBA Finals match-up between the Spurs and Knicks. The hosts dissect the list and what it reveals about the series.

• Top of the List:
  "They had Wimby at 1, Jalen Brunson at 2, Cat at 3, Stefan Castle at 4, OG at 5..." –Joe (03:48)
  Full rundown highlights major contributors for both teams.

• Bench Depth becomes a Debate:

  • Ocho questions Harrison Barnes’s inclusion and impact, prompting a running joke about his low scoring output:

    • "He might not have seven points in seven games..." –Joe (05:07)
    • "If I'm playing you 12 minutes, ...I need something from you. You gotta give me something, bro." –Ocho (10:31)

  • Joe and Ocho agree both teams "mirror each other" in defensive effort and depth, but lament the Spurs' need for meaningful bench contributions.

• Knicks Defense & Hard-Nosed Style:

  • "When it comes defensively, they locking down, they guard in their yard." –Ocho (08:39)
    The Knicks get credit for holding the Spurs to 95, citing collective effort.

• Star Distribution:

  • "The Knicks got three of the top five ... four of the top ten. The Spurs got six of the top ten." –Joe (11:01)
  • Despite being underdogs, Knicks’ role players are recognized as dangerous.

• Maximizing Minutes:

  • "You can't complain about the minutes that you're getting. You just got to maximize the minutes that you get." –Joe (11:50)
  • "You're gonna need some contributions from some different guys, some unexpected places, bro, to win a title." –Ocho (09:33)

Notable Quotes

• "It's what we all love about sports. It's the competition, bro — it's competing at the highest level." –Ocho (07:20)
• "You need somebody who... have an out of body experience, but he gonna have to contribute in more ways than one." –Ocho (12:39)

Rachel Nichols Update – Charles Oakley vs. James Dolan Beef (19:42–32:13)

Context: Rachel Nichols reports on attempts to resolve the long-standing feud between Knicks legend Charles Oakley and owner James Dolan.

• Behind the Feud:
  Oakley still banned from Madison Square Garden, though he attends road playoff games. Adam Silver and Michael Jordan tried to broker peace but failed (19:42).

• Ongoing Litigation:

  • "Ongoing litigation between Oak and Dolan" continues, and the manner of Oakley's physical removal in 2017 still rankles Oak ("they carried him out, man"—Joe [29:37]).

• Fame, Forgiveness, and Moving On:

  • The crew debates whether forgiveness requires reconciliation.
    • "I can forgive you...but just because I can forgive you, that doesn't mean there's an error for reconciliation." –Joe (31:30)
    • "We ain't gonna never be Kumbaya now...it's over with." –Ocho (31:53)

• On Oakley's Legacy:

  • "New York fans love Oak, man, cause they know he's a lunch pail, hard hat guy...he was the muscle." –Joe/Ocho (30:01)

Notable Quotes

• "You don't become a billionaire by moving very, very easily off a square." –Joe (21:57)
• "That disrespectful, Joe, especially for somebody that played and they know exactly who he is, iconic as Oak is, bro." –Uncle (29:53)
• "Just because I can forgive you, that doesn't mean ...we have to go back to where we were." –Joe (31:30)

Viral Clip: Man vs. Woman Lining Up (39:43–42:30)

Context: The hosts react to a viral video of a woman holding her own in a football-style one-on-one against a man.

• Surprised by Skill:

  • "I like the spin move off the line...she right there." –Uncle (40:13)
  • "That's good defense. And you know, the only thing that could be good defense is a great throw." –Uncle (40:19)

• Technique Breakdown:

  • Crew nerds out on her defensive approach and arm extension: "She got one arm out. You don't see it with the arm out. Feeling where it is, right." –Uncle (41:19)

• Athletic Respect:

  • "She did something. She played something in high school." –Joe (41:37)

Memorable Moment

• The entire crew genuinely impressed, with banter about stadium food, Atlanta’s ballparks, and the cost of stadium eats (42:08–42:36).

Sidebar Topics & Banter

• Fame vs. Fortune (24:04–27:46):
  The panel riffs on the price of fame for athletes vs. private billionaires, with Shannon Sharpe and Ochocinco teasing each other about wanting fame and dealing with "groupies" at airports.

  • "I want to be somebody that's worth like 5 billion and don't nobody know." –Joe (27:02)

• On Forgiveness (31:30–32:06):
  Powerful statements about boundaries, past betrayals, and emotional self-protection.

Important Timestamps by Segment

| Segment | Timestamps | |-----------------------------------------------------|---------------| | ESPN Top 20 NBA Finals Players Discussion | 03:48–12:50 | | Knicks vs. Spurs Debate/Bench Contributions | 04:56–13:02 | | Oakley vs. Dolan Feud Update (Rachel Nichols) | 19:42–32:13 | | Fame vs. Fortune Riff | 24:04–27:46 | | Forgiveness & Moving On | 31:30–32:13 | | Viral "Man vs. Woman" Video Breakdown | 39:43–42:36 |

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Memorable Quotes

• "It's what we all love about sports. It's the competition, bro—it's competing at the highest level." –Ocho (07:20)
• "You don't become a billionaire by moving very, very easily off a square." –Joe (21:57)
• "That disrespectful, Joe, especially for somebody that played and they know exactly who he is, iconic as Oak is, bro." –Uncle (29:53)
• "Just because I can forgive you, that doesn't mean ...we have to go back to where we were." –Joe (31:30)

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Animated, honest, and flavored with the hosts’ signature ribbing and realness.
• Deep respect for "hard hat" players, both past and present, who do the dirty work.
• Blunt reflections on business, fame, and personal boundaries.
• No topic is sacred — from deep playoff debates to viral internet moments, it’s a full-on Nightcap.

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For NBA and sports fans, this episode delivers both detailed Finals analysis and the larger-than-life energy and honesty that makes Nightcap a must-listen.

Transcript

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[Ocho]

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[Joe]

Heading into Game 1, here are the ESPN's list of top 20 players in the 2026 NBA Finals. They had Wimby at 1, Jalen Brunson at 2, Cat at 3, Stefan Castle at 4, OG at 5, Fox at 6, Mikhail Bridges at 7, Vassal Harper, Champagne is 8, 9, 10. And then you have Josh Hart, Mitchell Robinson at 11, 12. And then you have Kelton Johnson at 13. And then you had Landry Sham, Miles McBride at 14, 15. Then you had Luke Cornett and Carter Bryant at 16, 17. And then 1819 you had Jose Alvarado and Jordan Clarkson at 20. You could have put anybody else in there and it had been okay with me. Bismarck, Biyombo, Kelly Olenek. I don't know how this guy made it. I still don't.

[Ocho]

Harrison Barnes.

[Joe]

There you go, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got to lay out Harrison Barnes. You gotta lay out Harrison Barnes. Hey, look, at some point here, he going to get him some good min in this damn series, man.

[Uncle]

Good, good, good, good minutes and do what, huh?

[Ocho]

That even if he come in and give you five to seven points ojo, they need to.

[Joe]

He got to do.

[Ocho]

He got to do something, bro. They gonna need something.

[Joe]

Can you put up on my screen how many, how many points did Harrison Barnes score in the last, in the, in the last they went seven games. He might not have seven points in seven games. And you told Me, the man might have to give you five points in a game when he might have not gave you five points in seven games.

[Ocho]

Oh, oh.

[Joe]

If you look at they bench.

[Ocho]

Kelvin Johnson gave you three points tonight, one for four. And you had Harper. Dylan Harper was 16. Yeah. Outside of that, man, they get completely nothing. I mean, they don't get nothing from their bench, bro. Somebody got to come off that bench and help out.

[Joe]

Well, Kelly Johnson, but you remember. Oh, Joe, game seven against Thunder. Kelton Johnson was big. He played really well.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what? He did. But he went against Chick. Chick couldn't guard him.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

He opposed his will against Chick. Chick was he. Check. He was checked out, you know, in that game seven. It's a. New York is a different breed, bro. They got some guys. They got some guys who can guard, too. They got some big guys who can wall up, play big. You know, this. This ain't gonna be no easy feat for the Spurs.

[Joe]

They got. They got lunch pail, hard hat guys.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

That's what they got.

[Uncle]

And.

[Joe]

But if you look at them. If you look at them, Joe, they kind of mirror each other.

[Ocho]

They do.

[Joe]

Because all these guys, I mean, for the most part, your guys, your guards, with the exception of Brunson, will defend.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You look at Josh Hart, he'll defend.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Mikhail Bridges will defend. So will Bassel. So would Castle. So with Champagne, they'll defend Miles McBride. He's known as a shooter. He gets up, he tries to defend. Landry Shamrock used to be known as just an offensive player, but you look at this year, Landry Shamrock said, you know what? I'm. I'm tired of bouncing around.

[Ocho]

Yeah, let me get out here.

[Joe]

And I got to be able to do something other than shoot, because just shooting ain't giving me the minutes that I need.

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[Ocho]

Oh, he's.

[Joe]

Hey, he's fighting hard over picks now. Yeah. Yeah. He's still. He's always been able to stroke it. When he. With the Clippers, I think. I think he did. Wasn't he with Toronto at one point in time? I know he went to Clippers, but he's. He can shoot the ball. He's always been able to shoot the ball. Yeah, but he's found other ways to contribute again. We talked about it other than scoring.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he's competing. He's competing. He played in Philly. He played in Philly. And you right. It ain't. It's not just about making shots at him. It's. It's what we all love about sports. It's the competition, bro, it's competing at the highest level. Yeah, you may have a little advantage of me, but damn it, I'm gonna fight as hard as I damn can. And I think that's what, that's what Shaman has been doing with the opportunity and minutes that he's been given. Yeah, he showed up and he's showing out, bro. At the end of the day, he's out there to make shots. And when he's doing that, he's relieving pressure from guys like Brunson and Cat because he's making his guy play. Honestly, the last thing you want to do if you guard him is to leave his ass open and give him wide open shot. You cannot help off him. And that's why. And that's why you want him out there. Because he's going to create lanes and space for guys like Brunson to operate in.

[Joe]

If you think about it, Joe, all those guys, for the most part, that come off the bench will make you pay. You can't. You make bride, you can't help off him. Nah, you can't help off Shammy because you go down to help of somebody or you come to try to double bridge Brunson, they're gonna make you pay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, look at Alpharado.

[Joe]

Might get away with it once, but there's a good chance you won't get away with it the second or third time.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, look at Alvarado. Seven points, four rebounds. He's the smallest guy on the damn floor. Just in, in 11 minutes. Like, you know, it's small increments like that, bro. Or contributions from different guys that add up to a whole bunch. And then at the end of the game, you look, The Knicks got 105 and they compete so hard, Uncle Oo, that you hold the spurs at 95 points. We got to get a Knicks credit, bro. When it comes defensively, they locking down, they guard in their yard. One shot and we out. We ain't giving up a whole bunch of damn offensive rebounds. We out, Joe.

[Joe]

Harrison bourne is averaging two points a game against the, the Thunder. He has 16 total points in seven games. And this man, Joe, talk about he might give you five to seven in one game. Oh, I ain't gonna hold my breath though, Joe.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Uncle]

Oh, Joe, he got faith.

[Ocho]

You gonna need some contributions from some different guys, some unexpected places, bro. You know, to, to win a title. To win a title. What's up?

[Joe]

See, see. Oh, Joe, Joe is that type of guy. He talking about the trickle down effect now we're Gonna put these people in office, and we're gonna get him these huge tack cuts, and then they're gonna hire some people. And the last time they did that, what they did, they got these huge tax breaks and they laid off 3, 500 people. And they laid off 10, 000 people. I ain't put no faith in that. Barnes against OKC in game one, he had zero points. In game five, in game two, he had five points. In game three, he has zero points. Game four, five. Game six, what it. So he had 050506. So in seven games, he had four games in which he scored zero points.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. And if I'm playing you 12 minutes, I'll get Ocho. I need something from you. You gotta give me something, bro.

[Joe]

You got something for me?

[Ocho]

Nah, not no damn cardio.

[Joe]

I ain't talking about what you wanted.

[Uncle]

No, no.

[Ocho]

We need something that's gonna count on this damn scoreboard, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, I just say, look, if you notice, Joe, in the top five, the Knicks got three of the top five players.

[Ocho]

They do.

[Joe]

They got Brunson, got Cat. No G. Yeah, they got three of the top five. It kind of evens out because you got Brunson, Cat, OG and Bridges. So they got four. They got four of the top 10. The next spurs got six of the top 10.

[Ocho]

So, so, but, but. But the Knicks still on the dog.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yep. I just think. I just think the thing is that you're right, Joe. Kelly Johnson. Gotta give me a little something. I need. I need. I need a few more points. Just need a few more. I get. I mean, look, obviously, sixth man of the year. It ain't gonna be a likelihood you're not. You might not get 16 because you're probably not gonna get the minutes that you normally got in the regular season, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because of. Of the gravity of these. Of these games. So the thing is, you're gonna have to make do with the minutes that you got. You can't complain about the minutes that you're getting. You just got to maximize the minutes that you get.

[Ocho]

That's.

[Uncle]

And the only way to maximize those, Joe and Unc, is when you do get in there. I mean, shot selection. Shot. Shot selection got to be on point. If you don't got it, you got to create.

[Ocho]

And with these. With the spurs being at home these first two games, I just would expect a bench to be a lot better. I would expect to be able to get some type of contribution from Harrison Barnes at home. I would. I would Expect to get a few points from him. I mean, they needed it. They needed it tonight, bro. They needed another spark off that bench. And to win, you're gonna need some. Some unsung heroes. Y' all know this, man. Y'. All. Y' all know how the game go.

[Joe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

You need somebody who gonna kind of. I ain't saying have an out of body experience, but he gonna have to contribute in more ways than one. You're right.

[Joe]

But I got the Spurs. I got the Spurs. Winning game, too. I still think it's gonna go seven.

[Ocho]

Oh. Oh, man. Gonna go selling, I tell you.

[Uncle]

Hey, I guess. Joe, you feel. Joe, you feel the same way, too.

[Ocho]

I do feel the same way, but I can't. I. I can't lie to you and Unc and tell y' all that I'm not a little nervous. And if the Knicks win, we're gonna have to put a muzzle on that damn boy.

[Uncle]

Oh, I ain't. I ain't gonna listen. You don't. You're not gonna have to put a Muslim on me for the simple fact. I knew. It was like I knew about all the other playoff series. I'm gonna, I'm. I'm gonna let y' all talk, you know, and, and, and, and, and give y' all reasons on why things are happening, you know, on why who's not playing well enough and why they're winning. I mean, it's just. I. Listen, man, at some point, like my grandma used to say, I mean, hard head make a soft ass. And, you know, at this point, y'. All.

[Joe]

Well, I'm expecting. I'm expecting the spurs to play better on Friday night. I'm expecting women to play better. I'm expecting him to be more efficient with less turnovers. I think those guys are going to be really, really aggressive coming out, but not overly aggressive. But you gotta. You gotta play smart. You can play sometimes you can play hard and not play smart. Joe.

[Ocho]

They go hand in hand. Yeah. It's just they dealing with a different animal, man, than that OKC team. See, that OKC team was shade driven, you know. Plus, they had a lot of the key guys out. This damn Knicks team, healthy, they physical and they. That it's a big team outside of Brunson, but, hell, he played. He played a lot bigger than his damn size.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he, but he ain't got no. He ain't got no small body.

[Ocho]

No, no, no.

[Joe]

He ain't got no AI body. He got no Isaiah body. He got no Steph Curry body. He ain't got nobody like that. He got a body like a six four guy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And to where he can still create space.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

His opportunities, you know what I mean? I think that's the biggest difference, bro. You know you he ain't no one guy you can key on and try and double and trap because they got too many damn weapons.

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[Joe]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Ocho]

It's the rage bait. Yep.

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Yep, Rachel Nichols gave us an update on the Charles Oakley. James Dolan beat Adam Silver. Bo say he and Michael Jordan tried their best to broker peace between Oakley and Dolan, but neither was successful. Oakley has been at the Knicks road game during these playoffs but remains banned from the Garden.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

I think there's ongoing litigation between Oak and. And. And Dolan. Or Dolan and. Excuse me. Yeah, Oak and Dolan.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And so I don't know if that's. If it's still ongoing. I. I know he. I think sometime I read that he had filed something against them. So we'll see how. How it goes. But, man, I don't know what. Michael Jordan didn't play for the Knicks, man. You think, James Donald, you might have came out better with Patrick Ewing. And. And, you know, I think there was some tension between Oak and Ewing.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So with that being said, Ocho, you think somebody outside of the Browns gonna be able to talk to Mike Brown and say, you know what? A player didn't play for the Browns gonna be able to come to him and say, well, you know what? Hey, man, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[Uncle]

No, hey, that. That's. That's all depending on who the player is. Now, we talk about a figure like Michael Jordan, who is well respected from, you know, with players, former. Former and current coaches, GMs, owners, former and current. If there's a voice of reason, who could probably get Dolan to listen, who's a very good friend of Oakley, which is why I can understand him trying to. Yes, I understand why, too, to mend that relationship. Listen, y' all talking about Dolan, Oakley, and I don't even know what the hell. I don't even know what happened.

[Joe]

Let me ask you a question. As many times as Michael Jordan kicked the Knicks ass out of the playoffs and kept them from going to the. The NBA Finals, you really think Dolan gonna listen to him? Huh?

[Ocho]

I think. Listen, I just kind of piggyback what Ocho's saying. The fact that MJ and Oak are so close, probably figuring the fact that, man, maybe we can make amends if mj, you know, probably helped out, you know, to some degree. But, hell, don't seem like Dolan nor Oakley. You know, they. They probably ain't looking for. They probably ain't looking for that.

[Joe]

You don't become a billionaire by moving very, very easily off a square.

[Ocho]

No, sir.

[Joe]

It's a different type of mindset.

[Uncle]

Right.

[Joe]

And there are very many. I'm trying to figure out. There aren't very many billionaires that didn't have to step on or step over someone to get to that spot.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Uncle]

Hold on. You got. You got to step on a lot of people.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

You got to step on a lot of people. I don't. I don't think I don't. I don't think people understand what it takes in order to become a billionaire. Well, you got to step on a hole. You got to step on a lot of people to get to that, to attain that much.

[Joe]

And I, I, I, you know, I commend Commish trying to broker deal. I commend Jordan to try to intervene. M. Cause Mike, look, if you notice, you don't see. You see a lot of other former players at game. How many times have you seen Mike at a game? You see him at college, at North Carolina. You see him. You see him golfing. You see him at nascar. I've seen Michael Jordan at NASCAR more times this year than I've seen him since he retired at an NBA game.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Joe]

The last time I saw Mike at a. At something. NBA function. What was it, Joe? The 75th anniversary team? Yeah, that's the last time. Now, I could be wrong. Cause maybe he go to games and. But it's hard for me to believe that Michael Jordan's gonna show up at an NBA event and they don't put his ass on the screen and they don't show it. But Mike. Mike is like,

[Tab Ramos]

he ain't.

[Joe]

He don't really. He don't really come around.

[Ocho]

Yeah. It's because he can't. He don't get no peace. Hell, he come to a game, he can't.

[Joe]

Where the hell he gonna get peace at it? Wherever he go at home.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna be at home. Be at home, my wife and kids. I'm gonna watch this at the house.

[Joe]

Yeah. Cause you. Because you. You're right, Joe. You're right. And that's why I said I would never want that level of fame, man.

[Ocho]

To where you can't go nowhere.

[Joe]

You can't go nowhere. Where can he go? Like you said, Joe, he can't. He can't take the twins to amusement park. He gotta lock the whole park down. Well, he got about the whole movie theater, man.

[Ocho]

Or, or hey, hey. Cause if not, you're gonna have to deal with a lot of that weird stuff. People already got their phones out filming you, and you can feel it. You know what I mean? Hell, I know y' all know what I'm saying.

[Joe]

You gotta travel. He got to travel. He could probably travel with at least, what, five, six security, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

Hey, you talk about. Y' all don't like that kind of fame. But I tell you one thing, it's coming. You hear me? Hey, soon. As soon as. Let me. Let me Finish doing what I do. You know, I'm. I'm the head of marketing and branding. Y' all do. Y' all do y' all part. And I do. I do my part on my end to make sure the world know us globally. Just. Yeah, you just. You sit tight. You're gonna be.

[Joe]

Turn me into a bigger recluse

[Ocho]

bad.

[Joe]

I don't. I don't want that. I mean, to not be able to go anywhere. You can't go anywhere. And then you always. Hey, you got to come in through the back.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You got to be in a side room. You ain't going to no mall. You not going to no event. I mean, you try to go to something for your kids, and then you. It's hard for them to go to something to their kids because they gonna upstage the kids.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And that. He ain't trying to do nothing. He's just trying to sit there.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

Hey, listen, we. We deserve to know what that feels like. We deserve. I'm for real. Listen. We gonna be like the Beatles.

[Joe]

You think.

[Ocho]

Hey, you think you want that? You think you want that type of attention?

[Uncle]

Oh, hey, Joe is like that right now. I can't go where I want to. Hey, Joe, you should see it. They be throwing panties and bras screaming your name.

[Joe]

Screaming your name, huh?

[Uncle]

Yeah. Oh. Oh, hey, they be. Ocho wanted me. I'm like, chill, little mama.

[Joe]

I'm with my girl head.

[Uncle]

Hey. Yeah, they be throwing. They'd be throwing them at me at the airport.

[Joe]

The mere fact that you at the airport lets you know you're not at that level of fame. That man can't go to no damn airport.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey, hey, listen, listen. We gonna get there.

[Joe]

Joe and I want the. The fortune.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

We'll let you have the fame.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I love when people say that. I love when people say that. But it's impossible to get the fortune without the fame, because in order to get the fortune, you got to be famous. And the ones who had the. Let me. Let me finish. Let me finish. The ones who had the fortune, Uncle Joe. The. That fortune, like, that crazy fortune, they ain't get it the right way, so you definitely don't want to go. And they. And they. They got the complexion for the protection to be able to get the. Get the fortune. I guarantee you, that's a whole nother conversation.

[Joe]

Walk right up to you right now and shake your hand. You wouldn't know who that was. You like, oh, who the white man is.

[Uncle]

Oh, yeah, I know Rob. You know me and Rob, that man

[Joe]

worth 130, 140 billion dollars. I wanna, I wanna be like that. I wanna have that kind of money. I don't want to be. I don't wanna be like, like Bezos. Cause everybody know Jeff Bezos. Yeah, I know Jeff Bezos and Zuckerberg and all these guys. Ellison and all those guys like that. I want to be somebody that's worth like 5 billion and don't nobody know.

[Uncle]

Like, yeah, yeah, that, that ain't. That ain't like it. And you got to think about the percentage of people that have that kind of wealth. And nobody knows.

[Joe]

There's a lot of them, though. It's more than, it's more than you think because you look at, you look at. See, we. We looking at like, owners, the baseball, basketball, football owners, or these popular guys, these tech guys that everybody know.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

You know, what's his name? Bill Gates, who've been, you know, we all, we kind of grew up with Bill Gates.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Bill Gates was the first guy I ever knew that had a billion dollars. I'm like a bear. Somebody got that kind of money.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

But I'm talking about there are a lot of these guys and some of these, these mbs, some of these guys like that, that you like, like they overseas. You like, man, that man worth 50 billion, huh?

[Ocho]

Or, or, or you. Or you born into that type of wealth.

[Joe]

Yes, yes,

[Uncle]

that too.

[Joe]

So.

[Uncle]

But, you know, it's. It's a nasty business and nasty world. If you really understood what, what people have to do to get to, to amass that kind of wealth and, and things you have to do to get to that. It ain't. It ain't pretty.

[Joe]

Like I said, I don't. Like I said, I don't know the inner workings. I know there was a situation that Rose that, that oak felt that he was unfairly removed from the Garden and security had to become involved. And, and for whatever reason, he, and he and, and he and, and, and Dolan hadn't seen eye to eye for a very, very long time. And so. Right. I don't know if this thing's going to be resolved anytime soon. It seems like both, both owner and player, former player have dug their heels in and nobody seems to be willing to move out their square. It doesn't seem. I don't know how long has it been. Get these two people in the room together and, and have an intelligent conversation where calmer heads and voices prevail. I don't Know, but it's a shame that Oak's not able to go to the game because he, he loves, he loved the Knicks.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Hey, how long has it been?

[Ocho]

It's been, been a couple years.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

This, this thing happened?

[Uncle]

Oh, a couple years.

[Joe]

It probably been about, I think this happened when I was at the, I was at, I was at Undisputed. So it's probably been what, five, six years, Joe?

[Ocho]

Probably so.

[Joe]

But the way, when did this incident happen, Ocho?

[Ocho]

The way that they remove Oak out the Garden is probably why he can never forget him, bro. Like, what's it.

[Uncle]

Wait, what you mean the way they moved him out?

[Joe]

They carried him out, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

It was February 2017, Joe.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's always been,

[Ocho]

you say about four, five security guys. Yeah. They came over there and handled him real rough.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

But that disrespectful, Joe, Especially for somebody that played and they know exactly who

[Ocho]

he is, iconic as Oak is, bro. To, to not only New York, just

[Joe]

to New York fans love Oak, man.

[Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

Cause they know he's a lunch pail, hard hat guy. He ain't take no mess. He's gonna take up for his players. He gonna play hard. He gonna do exactly what he's supposed to do.

[Ocho]

Yep. Blue collar defense.

[Joe]

He gonna rebound the basketball, and you bring your ass down the line. He gonna fall hard, foul the hell out you.

[Ocho]

He was the, he was the muscle.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle]

Listen, in that case, in that situation, should Mr. Dolan come to his defense or Mr. Dolan there when he played?

[Joe]

Yeah. He's on the team forever.

[Uncle]

Okay. But he, he should have been the first one to come to Oak defense.

[Joe]

No, I, I, I think because Oak believes that it was him that had him removed.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Okay, there's the disconnect. Okay, I get it. I get it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

I get it.

[Joe]

So like I said, I don't, I've never asked Oak about it. I think, like, for me, when Oak and I, we see each other, there's other things for us to talk about other than that situation. Right. Mainly. Mainly we go somewhere to grab a bite to eat. If it is at Atlanta, we go into Houston. So we're gonna talk and we talk basketball, talk football, you know, stuff like that. But hopefully this thing gets amended and, and look, I think the thing is, Ocho and Joe, for me, the way I look at it, I can damn near forgive anybody. I, I can, I can not allow you to have my emotions held hostage. Yeah, but just because I can forgive you, that doesn't mean there's an error for reconciliation.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

That doesn't mean I have to allow you back into this circle. That doesn't mean I have to allow you back at the table. I forgive you, bro. Okay. No problem, bro. Wish you all the best, move forward. None of that. But that don't ever. That doesn't mean. Because sometimes people refuse everybody. You forget, man, but you. No, no, no, no. I forgave him. I forgave her.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But that doesn't mean that we have to go back to where we were.

[Ocho]

Hell, no. We ain't gonna never be Kumbaya now. We ain't gonna never be that no more. I'm with you. I'm with you, man. You wrong me. I'm. Same way, bro. I forgive you. But we never come by y' all again. It's over with.

[Joe]

This done. You already. You already. You've already showed me. What you think about me.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

How you feel about me?

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

Keep it moving, bro. No hard feelings. Because the way I look at it, how were you. How. When you met. How. When you met TJ? You met TJ at Fang, right?

[Uncle]

Yeah, that was. Yeah, 2000. 2000. 2000.

[Joe]

So that you went 21. 22 years. I tell people all the time, man.

[Ocho]

How.

[Joe]

How long you known him? I said I went 30 years. I didn't know who he was. I go 30. Another 30 without him.

[Uncle]

Right. That's a good one.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Yeah. Hey, honestly, I'm glad we. We having this conversation.

[Joe]

Whatever.

[Uncle]

I hope Joe don't have no bad feelings when you.

[Joe]

What?

[Uncle]

When I. When I. When I show the people and give them this mean demonstration. Hey, I. I just. I just hope we can still be friends, you know? We can still be colleagues and co workers, and it ain't. I. I don't want to have to be Dolan and you Oakley, and I push.

[Ocho]

Hey, Ocho, you know what I noticed about you, bro? I. I noticed you like to bring. You like to bring that other side of me out. You know what I mean? I like to keep him tucked away because.

[Uncle]

Hold on. You. You got. You got two sides.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. And you like to bring that other side out, and I'm telling you, it ain't gonna be good for you, partner. I'm just letting you know, okay? I'm just letting you know because you keep barking up this tree, and I'm trying to be cool with you like I've always been, but you provoking me.

[Joe]

So in other words, I might have. So, in other words, I might. It might go back down to 1 2. 2. It might just be Uncle Nocho again. Or it might be Uncle ISO.

[Ocho]

It gonna be damn sure now. His ass gonna probably be gone when I get done with him, I'll tell you that now.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey, listen, let me tell you something. Hey, he's steady. He's steadily calling himself a tree, not knowing I'm Paul Bunny. I'm chopping down there. I'm chopping down everything. You hear me?

[Joe]

Hey.

[Uncle]

Oh, hey, now, I don't need, I don't need the blue ox this time.

[Ocho]

All I needed, three minutes with his little ass on three. Three minutes. I promise you. Hey, Chat, I'm gonna keep him around. I don't really don't need three, but I'm gonna keep them around for y'.

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[Ocho]

But I promise you, you gonna keep my name out your damn mouth, boy.

[Uncle]

Hey, you see the way you put up three? You see, you see the way you put up three like that?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Huh?

[Uncle]

That's the sign. Hey, I see you. I see most, most of the time when you put up three, you do it like this. Since you put it up like this, that let me know. Hey, hey, hey, what's wrong? I see you.

[Ocho]

Hey, you gotta chill.

[Uncle]

Hey, get up again. Get up again one time.

[Joe]

You got.

[Ocho]

Hey, what set you claiming, by the way? Yeah, who me?

[Uncle]

Oh, I. I ain't really no set. Ain't no, no. Yeah, no, I ain't, I ain't no set, Joe. I just, you know, I just, I'm just. I peep game. I peep game. How you do, you know? Hey, when you throw up three, you know, most of the time people say, but Joe. Yeah, Joe did it like this. So it let me know, you know

[Ocho]

that like that in elementary head. I want to throw them down three. Up like that,

[Joe]

like that, man.

[Tab Ramos]

Three.

[Uncle]

Hey, hey, Joe Sue Woo. Okay.

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[Ocho]

It's the rage bait.

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[Joe]

Okay, a video has gone viral of a man and a woman lining up. Let's take a look at this.

[Ocho]

Guys lining up. Oh, let's go.

[Uncle]

Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

I give her credit, man. I give her credit. Joe. Oo.

[Uncle]

Hey, I was just. I was gonna say, I don't know who the young lady is, right. I like to spin move off the line, right? But she right there.

[Joe]

He just made a great she look

[Uncle]

like she looking back for the ball and everything. The funny thing about it, Joe, is that's good defense. And you know, the only thing that could be good defense is a great throw.

[Joe]

Better throw. Great deep. Better throw.

[Uncle]

That was a trying.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Uncle]

Hey. He.

[Ocho]

You see, she's trying to keep her contact and all. Yeah, she got technique, right, Ain't it?

[Uncle]

Hey, she.

[Joe]

Hey. Yep.

[Uncle]

Hey. I don't know. I don't know who she is. She knows something, though. She knows something. She knows something. That was a nice. That was a nice little rep.

[Joe]

I mean, she got it right. Matter of fact, look at what she did. She got the right hand, so she can jump up like this. Yeah, because you can reach farther like this than you can like that.

[Ocho]

You said somebody.

[Joe]

Hey, she's playing it correctly.

[Ocho]

You said somebody taught us something, huh?

[Joe]

Nobody told himself, hey, somebody did something, Joe.

[Uncle]

Hey, the funny thing about it is she looking back for the ball and then. Yeah, most of the time, obviously, I know it's not a real situation, but most of the time when you see these, they panic and they run into the player.

[Joe]

Grabbing, passing, the Field.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle]

Grab and do something. She right there. She got one arm out. You don't see it with the arm out. Feeling where it is, right.

[Joe]

Like I said. And this one hand that she's gonna try to knock the ball down with because she can extend it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's what a lot of people don't realize, Joe, is that if you played it like this, look out. This is as far as I can go. As opposed to this.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

That's the thing. And I give a kudos. Like I say, hey, she did something. She played something in, in high school. She played some kind of sports.

[Uncle]

Hold on. To be. To move like that against somebody like that. And that was in Atlanta, too. That's where the Braves play. You know, the, what's the, what's the middle section, right?

[Ocho]

I know what you're talking about. I don't know.

[Uncle]

Yeah, yeah, that was it. Yeah, I think that was it. The little grab, the little grassy part, like I said.

[Joe]

Yeah, she got some, she got a little game. Okay.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's a hell. Hey. Oh, you ain't, you ain't been to the Braze new stadium?

[Joe]

I have a.

[Ocho]

Man, it's a hell of a stadium, bro.

[Joe]

I need to check it out. Oh, Joe. I heard the food. I heard the food is bang bang.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, I heard it one time.

[Uncle]

I think that Sand Trust, or

[Ocho]

we say Ocho.

[Uncle]

I said it looked like I could be wrong.

[Ocho]

No, I think that that's Atlanta. But hey. Oh, now, I heard the food was good. I heard it's high as hell, too, though.

[Joe]

That's okay. I mean, I'm with you. So what?

[Ocho]

What would you.

[Joe]

Yeah, with you. Anytime. Anytime I'm in Atlanta, it's on you. Anytime you in Vegas, it's on me.

[Ocho]

I bet. Man, I'm going to Vegas soon.

[Uncle]

Hey, hold on, hold on. Hey, when we going, huh? I say when we got to Vegas,

[Ocho]

I gotta hit uncle some. We really gotta. We got a real. Sit down. We gotta. You mean. Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle]

Okay. So hold on.

[Joe]

I, I, we got some paperwork to sign. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe]

I mean, sometimes impossible. Yeah, you know, I can't say the food.

[Ocho]

What's up?

[Uncle]

Yeah. Hey, I tell you what. Y' all meet up and don't invite me.

[Joe]

Hey, I don't know about you, Joe, but sometimes some ass whipping you just got to be willing to take.

[Ocho]

Hey, now, damn that. We're gonna whoop his ass, huh?

[Joe]

Damn it. Hey, hey, hey.

[Uncle]

You know, that'd be some funny joke. Hey, what if we make TMZ cause

[Ocho]

y' all whoop your ass stop you

[Joe]

out yeah we jumping yeah

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