Deebo & Joe LIVE from Steelers Training Camp: Darnell Washington, Pat Freiermuth join & More!

Summary

Nightcap Podcast: Deebo & Joe LIVE from Steelers Training Camp

Date: August 11, 2026
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Harrison
Special Guests: Darnell "Mount" Washington (Steelers TE), Brian Angelico (OC), Pat Freiermuth (Steelers TE)

Episode Overview

Broadcast live from Steelers Training Camp, this episode of Nightcap features James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Harrison (presumably brothers/comedy duo) co-hosting a night full of football talk, insider camp perspectives, banter, and laughs. Bringing energy straight from Steelers camp, they interview tight ends Darnell Washington (“Mount”) and Pat Freiermuth (“Muth”), and welcome new Offense Coordinator Brian Angelico for candid, behind-the-scenes conversation. The hosts also dive into quarterback controversies in Cleveland, and reflect on season expectations, culture, drills, and the energy of Pittsburgh football.

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KEY SECTIONS & INSIGHTS

1. Darnell "Mount" Washington Interview

(Starts ~04:10)

On Getting Leaner and Improving Performance

• Darnell on Offseason Goals:
  • "Just last year at some times I felt a little heavy... My goal is by regular season, be at a certain weight and keep going down...so my body feels right for me." — Mount Washington [05:11]
• Deebo & Joe’s Responses:
  • “Whatever weight you feel comfortable, I think you should be able to play at that weight… you were balling out.” — Joe Harrison [05:36]

On Mike McCarthy's Offensive System

• Tight End–Friendly Environment & Hands-on Coaching
  • "It’s for sure a big difference. Personally, I never had a head coach in the offensive meeting room… just him being a tight end–friendly guy…this whole offense is just a different level compared to last year." — Mount Washington [05:54]

Individual Goals for 2026

• “I don’t like to put numbers on things...just do everything better than last year. So if it’s dominating more in the run game or less drops, more yards...I just try to improve so a Rod or whoever, the quarterback, can trust me.” — Mount Washington [06:31]

On Work with Star QB (Aaron Rodgers, "A Rod")

• “He hosts meetings—at his place, even. You just gotta be all ears and be where your feet are. So, if we’re learning with a rod, or at his crib watching film, you just do it.” — Mount Washington [07:30]

Toughest Matchups Faced

• Cites "Zadarius Smith" (big, physical), "Chicago game – Sweat," "Miles Garrett" (elite pass rusher), and "TJ [Watt]" as notable tough matchups. — Mount Washington [08:40]

Memorable Quote — Pancake Block vs. Touchdown?

• Deebo: “Which one, pancake block or touchdown catch?”
• Mount: “Block. It’s on... I gotta take that pancake. That’s my heart.” — [10:26]

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2. Cleveland Browns Quarterback Drama

(Starts ~11:12, revisited throughout)

• Discussion on Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders receiving/practicing with first team reps.
• Critical view of Cleveland’s communication issues:
  • “This is the nonsense I’m talking about. This is the self-inflicted wounds we do to ourselves.” — Joe Harrison [12:37]
  • “If you know you’re going to start Watson, just say that, so it doesn’t bring up all these questions.” — Joe Harrison [13:28]
  • The hosts riff about how coaching indecision and PR issues cause unnecessary media drama.

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3. Offensive Coordinator Brian Angelico Interview

(Starts ~17:52)

On Coaching Journey & Transition

• “Started out on defense... But I think it helped, you know, seeing that side of the ball for three, four years and getting a chance to go over on the other side.” — Brian Angelico [18:26]

• “Even when I was a young coach, I would go to defensive clinics when I was coaching offense so you can learn what the other side’s doing.” [19:19]

On Mike McCarthy & Offensive Philosophy

• On returning to work with McCarthy: “It’s been really neat to get back together and see what it’s become.” — Brian Angelico [19:42]
• “Pittsburgh and Minnesota both treat players and coaches well… and Steeler fans are second to none.” [20:07]

On Scheme and Game Planning

• “We’re not going to reinvent the offense every week. We try to have a diverse playbook for favorable matchups...mixing people, moving people around.” — Brian Angelico [22:34]
• “We try to dress things up to help guys get off releases with motion or stacks, so you just can’t leave them out there vs. the top corners.” [24:19]
• On being a "sideline or booth guy": “Been on the sideline as a position coach for the last 14 years…we’ll work through what’s best in preseason.” [25:16]

Long-term Vision for Steelers Offense:

• “Number one, we’re a tough, physical offense…We want to play smart, fundamentally sound football…take care of the football, and explosive, big plays. When you win in the fourth, you have to be able to run the football.” — Brian Angelico [25:51]

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4. Pat Freiermuth ("Muth") Interview

(Starts ~27:13)

On the New Offense and Playing with A-Rod

• “I love it, man... it’s cool how he utilizes all of us to our best—moving us around. Just having another year with a-rod… it’s clicking. It feels great.” — Pat Freiermuth [28:07]
• Weekly offense hangouts at Aaron’s house to build chemistry and non-verbal communication: “He gets his food, we watch film with him. So it’s cool to see how you can change how you watch film for a Hall of Fame quarterback.” — Pat Freiermuth [28:58]

On Learning “Route Craft” from Rodgers

• “Angles of my routes—the coolest part is understanding what he sees. If a defender’s low hip and I’m running a corner route, he can throw you back shoulder or over the top. Just how to feel different leverages, where he can throw the ball and expect it. That’s when you get on the same point, you can’t stop that.” — Pat Freiermuth [29:47]

Season Expectations & Leadership

• “Whatever happened last year, that is what it is. But I’m using it as a growth opportunity…there may have been things out of my control, but look at what I was doing…I changed some things up. I’m expecting a lot of big things from me this year...” — Pat Freiermuth [31:05]

• “We got a really good nucleus of guys on this team, and I’m really excited for this year, for sure.” — Pat Freiermuth [33:08]

Pressure & Motivation in A-Rod’s Last Season

• “It’s not like we don’t talk about it, but individually, we all look around like, hey, we gotta be on top of our shit, do what we gotta do for him and for the team…” — Pat Freiermuth [33:40]

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5. Camp Drills & Steelers Identity

(Starts ~39:09)

• Fond/memorable stories about classic Steelers training camp drills (“backs on backers”):

  • “They read your foot, they read what you’re doing, so it’s cool to see the intricacy... Like, hips don’t lie. Hips do not lie.” — Darnell, Deebo, Joe [41:33, 41:45]

• On Steelers tradition, culture, and squad strength:

  • “The talent, like you said, it doesn’t—talent everywhere, talent’s all over the place, and with a Rod coming back…” — Joe Harrison [33:17]

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6. Return to Browns QB Controversy, Organizational Questions

(Revisited; ~44:00-52:10)

• Hosts get more pointed about how poor communication amplifies media frenzy and undermines the coaching staff’s credibility in Cleveland.

  • “Why are you making drama when it doesn’t need to be none?” — Joe Harrison [47:02]
  • “As much as I’m trying to… you got it, you’re right.” — Deebo [49:01]

• Discussion of what consistency and vision look like in successful organizations. Steelers’ culture highlighted vs. Browns’ instability.

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NOTABLE QUOTES & MEMORABLE MOMENTS

• On physicality:

  • “Which one, pancake block or touchdown catch?”
    “Block. I gotta take that pancake. That’s my heart.” — Mount Washington [10:26]

• On culture:

  • “Steeler fans are second to none… it was neat to come back [to Pittsburgh].” — Brian Angelico [20:07]

• On route running:

  • “If a defender’s low hip … he can throw you back shoulder or over the top. Just how to feel different leverages—when you get on that same point, you can’t stop that.” — Pat Freiermuth [29:47]

• On Steelers expectations:

  • “I told Brian [the OC], I need a Super Bowl so I can act real stupid… I’m promising you, I’m going make like I was in the game…” — Deebo [31:31]

• On organizational dysfunction:

  • “The Browns, man—they can’t get out of their own way.” — Deebo [49:25]

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TIMESTAMPS OF IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• 04:10: Darnell Washington joins for an in-depth player interview
• 05:35: Weight/conditioning and offseason goals
• 05:54: Impressions of Mike McCarthy as OC
• 06:31: Personal & team goals for 2026
• 08:40: Toughest defenders Darnell has faced
• 10:26: "Pancake block or touchdown catch?" moment
• 11:12–14:13: Browns QB controversy and media/PR issues
• 17:52: Brian Angelico (Offensive Coordinator) joins
• 22:34: Offensive scheme/philosophy breakdown
• 25:51: Angelico’s vision for Steelers offense
• 27:13: Pat Freiermuth (TE) joins, new offense chemistry
• 28:58: Rodgers' weekly team film sessions
• 29:47: "Route craft" and learning from Rodgers
• 31:05: Freiermuth's mindset for 2026 season
• 33:40: Team motivation in Rodger's presumed last season
• 39:09: Camp drill stories (“backs on backers”)
• 44:00–52:10: Cleveland Browns controversy, QB drama, and organizational woes

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CONCLUSION

This Nightcap episode brings raw, unfiltered perspectives straight from Steelers Training Camp: honest player interviews, a deep dive into offensive schemes, candid breakdowns of organizational culture, and the kind of brotherly banter fans crave. With Aaron Rodgers’ “last ride” adding a sense of urgency and excitement, and Mike McCarthy’s offense energizing the squad, belief among Pittsburgh's players and their legendary hosts is sky-high. The show wraps up with a humorous, pointed contrast between the disciplined Steelers and the ever-chaotic Browns — providing both laughs and sharp football analysis.

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For the diehards, this episode offers a rare, vibrant window inside the locker room — and plenty of reasons for Steelers fans to get hyped for 2026.

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[Darnell]

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[James Deebo Harrison]

welcome back to this episode of Depot and Joe. I'm your host, James Depot Harrison and I am here with my host, my co host, Joe Harrison. Hey. Yes sir. Yes sir.

[Darnell]

Yes sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We going to jump straight into it cuz we got our first guest.

[Joe Harrison]

Yes sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Things got a little messed up thing. We, we get back that too, get back to that later. But right now we have Mountain Washington.

[Joe Harrison]

Yes we do.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes sir. Yes sir.

[Joe Harrison]

Please, please.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Welcome to the show, my brother.

[Joe Harrison]

Yes sir. Yes sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

How are you doing today man?

[Mount Washington]

I'm good man. Blessed.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, yes, you are. Extremely blessed man. I think you done collected like little bit of money too, you know, Big congratulations. I ain't gonna lie. I wanted to get to know you a little bit better before I asked for some of it but you know, time is short so, you know what I'm saying? Look here man, I know you talked about, you know, as the year progressed, actually just right now we were talking about it and you wanted to get your body weight down to a certain uh, a certain number. And that approach, is that something that you just figured out? The course, if you plan that, you know what, you feel better at a certain position or you're just like, you know what if I could get lighter, I feel like I'll be able to move better, I'll be more functional, be able to do more at my position.

[Mount Washington]

Yeah, for sure, definitely. Just last year at some times I felt a little heavy. So personally, you know, I just wanted to have a different approach this year. So, you know, my goal is by, you know, regular season, you know, be a certain weight and then just keep trying to climb down and just keep trying to get, you know, where my body feels right for me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Harrison]

I tell you this mo. Whatever weight you feel comfortable, I think you should be able to play it that way because when, you know, when you've been able to move and with your stiff arms and hurdling over people. So whatever ways, I feel like you can get to do that because you were balling out. But with Mike McCarthy now being an offensive coordinator, what, what, what differences does he bring to the offense, you think for you.

[Mount Washington]

For me, it's for sure a big difference. You know, personally, I never had a head coach in the offensive meeting room, so. So that's, that, that's the first big difference I noticed off Rick and just him being a tight end, friendly guy. You know, our oc, you know, used to coach tight end back in the day too. So it's just, I just feel like this whole offense is just a different level compared to last year and, you know, years before.

[Joe Harrison]

Okay.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And okay, yeah, I like that. So he's actually in the offensive meetings and. Oh, he's hands on. I like that, dude. I like that a whole lot.

[Joe Harrison]

What would you say are your 20, 26 season goals for you, bro, come in this year?

[Mount Washington]

Me, I don't like to put numbers on things like that. I just like to, you know, go out there and do, you know, just better, you know, personally just do everything better than what I did last year. So, you know, that's just. Personally, you know, me, like I said, I don't like to put numbers. So if it's dominated more in the round game or less drops or, you know, more yards, more catches, whatever it may be. So I just trying to improve in all the areas that I can. So a Rod or whoever, the quarterback, you know, could trust me and, you know, just depend on me. You know, I just want to be one of those guys.

[Joe Harrison]

Facts, facts.

[James Deebo Harrison]

How was that relationship with what you and A Rob develop is, you know, through the course of, from last year to now, you know, where you're at in training camp and then like you said, with the addition of Mike McCarthy. How is that, how is that developed? Is it, is it a add on to more of what you were doing last year or is it a total mix?

[Mount Washington]

It's really hard to say. You know, with a rod, you know, just, just his time being here and you know, he, you know, he's an older guy, so when he hosts them meetings, like last year, for example, he'll host his own meetings with all kinds of guys and you know, he'll call you out. So just make sure, you know, you're on top of your game. So, you know, I just try to be all ears and you know, to be where my feet is. So if it's learning with a rod or even if we got his at his crib, learning and watching film, y' all do.

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[Mount Washington]

Yeah. I just feel like adding him or, you know, keeping him and then adding Mike. I feel like it's just a plus.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, I got a question for you. This will seem like a weird question, but artist linebacker or D lineman in for Youthblock.

[Mount Washington]

It's a few. I start off Zadarius Smith.

[Joe Harrison]

Yes, yes.

[Mount Washington]

He gave me. He's no bigger guy because, you know, typically I. I'm pretty much one of the biggest.

[Brian Angelico]

So.

[Mount Washington]

So, you know, my first time matchup, you know, he gave me, you know, a good run this past year. Chicago game sweat.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Mount Washington]

He was one of those dudes, you know, I played, you know, whatever, but. And then, I mean, you gotta throw Miles Garrett in there, you know, he's one of the, you know, good passers or great passers in today's game. And then, I mean, you know, TJ obviously run blocking.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

Anybody in there that you worried about at linebacker that you

[Joe Harrison]

wor about?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Anybody?

[Mount Washington]

Why it should be round blocking. I mean, besides the. Darius Smith, the young dude on The Chargers, number 45 Wyant Kid Sm. He was SOL. Yeah, big nose. Other than that, man,

[James Deebo Harrison]

that's what I like here.

[Joe Harrison]

Listen, man, I'm trying to get you

[James Deebo Harrison]

still let them know, listen, there ain't

[Joe Harrison]

no trouble if I'm walking around like Mount Washington. I'm not scared of anybody blocking anything. Come on, Deo. Hey, so you proved yourself last year, bro. And I, I love the fact that you're talking about just not numbers having to be the increase just on tape, everything like every. All pluses, no minuses on take, man. So I think if you do that, like that's a great mentality because there's no other way but to do better. You know what I'm saying? You got that in your mindset.

[James Deebo Harrison]

So which one Pancake block or touchdown Catch. Hold up. The pancake block.

[Joe Harrison]

It's four touchdowns. It's four touchdowns.

[Mount Washington]

Block. It's on. I gotta take that pancake.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I got to.

[Mount Washington]

That's not my heart. I got to. Yes sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes sir. I like it baby. Man, we appreciate you having us now. Well sorry. We appreciate having you join us brother. We'll let you get up out of here but we appreciate it man. Thank you.

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[James Deebo Harrison]

That is Mount Washington. Come on the tie in.

[Joe Harrison]

Watch out for the stiff hand the shoulder.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Put the them drive you we ain't playing no games. All right real talk look here. Let's look at this though. Joe. What I need to check out is what what Cleveland is doing this like

[Joe Harrison]

oh you good to go my brother. Thank you though.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen so Cleveland's chance they say they they plans change. I guess the boy we like to

[Joe Harrison]

have a real conversation now.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Desan Watson and she do a stand standards been rotating first team reps and on day one practice first team offense took every rep. Number one unit.

[Joe Harrison]

Yeah hold up listen keep yo keep going. You got to give the whole breakdown

[James Deebo Harrison]

or split the remaining reps.

[Joe Harrison]

Yes, matter of fact with the tools

[James Deebo Harrison]

said just minutes before practice that his Sean might end up with a 717 but Shador would take the majority of the one reps today that did not happen and a source, a source told Mary Kay Cat. You know her.

[Joe Harrison]

Yeah I love I love Mary K facts Mary Kay's Watson knew he would

[James Deebo Harrison]

be the first team quarterback on Saturday before before Todd Martin told the media that it was Shador sand day for the ones Joe.

[Joe Harrison]

What's going down brother?

[James Deebo Harrison]

What y' all got going on over there?

[Joe Harrison]

This this the nonsense I'm talking about. This is the self inflicted wounds that we do to ourselves. Coach Todd Monkey we need to be PR trained. I think our coaches they put their foot in their mouth sometimes. Look we we understand that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He's not putting your foot in your mouth. They said he knew beforehand.

[Joe Harrison]

He said so he's lying. So he's lying. That's what I'm saying. Like they we fly before the GM has lied and said like oh we're not going to trade. And then a couple months we trade. He did this. He did this too fast to go. Debo. You sent it 40 minutes before practice that Shador Sanders was starting and then walking out. You know he's not going to be starting. So if you just just say Sean Watson. I think I wanted to see him have a couple of these looks. I think he's going to be a starting quarterback today. Just say that so it doesn't bring up these questions. You know what I'm saying? Like, let him get the reps if he needs the reps.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen man, we going to talk about this later. We got our OCA here. Brian Angelico. Hey, bring him on in. Let's go. Yes, sir. You can't tell.

[Mount Washington]

How we doing?

[Brian Angelico]

Good to see you man.

[Mount Washington]

How you doing?

[Brian Angelico]

How you doing? Pleasure to meet you.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, sir, pleasure to meet you.

[Brian Angelico]

Yeah, sir.

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[Brian Angelico]

There it was.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. We are here with the OC of Pittsburgh students. Brian Angelica.

[Brian Angelico]

Angelico.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Angelica. Good. I got it.

[Erin Andrews]

I got Almost.

[Mount Washington]

Almost. Yeah.

[Brian Angelico]

Doing better.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Most look here. So I'm, I'm here like I guess in 96 you were.

[Darnell]

Yep.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Linebacker.

[Darnell]

Yeah.

[Brian Angelico]

Started out on defense.

[Joe Harrison]

Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like the transition into what you are now a great office coordinator, a great mind. Like do you ever, do you ever miss the defensive side? Do you ever, ever think about it?

[Brian Angelico]

Yeah, I thought I was going to be a defensive coach. I coach secondary and linebackers so. But I think it helped, you know, seeing that side of the ball for three, four years and getting a chance to go over on the other side.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, definitely. The transition, getting the understanding, that's one thing that I actually didn't really pay much attention to to be honest as I was younger as players having an understanding and knowledge of how things work on the offensive side and you know, have a better understanding that we actually help yourself.

[Brian Angelico]

Absolutely. That's, that's, that's what we do. We try to pick the defensive players brains all the time. Like would you see there? And that's what's great. The, the communication, the collaboration with them. So I always, even when I was a young coach, I would go to defensive clinics when I was coaching offense so you can learn what the other side's doing.

[Joe Harrison]

How do you like reunited. So you were with Coach McCarthy before.

[Brian Angelico]

Sure.

[Darnell]

Yeah.

[Joe Harrison]

So how was it like being that? Is it a little different?

[Brian Angelico]

Oh, it's been great. You know, obviously, you know, Coach went on to Dallas and, you know, I was out doing my thing, you know, eight years later, but, you know, having a chance to grow and experience different things and, you know, where coaches taking the offense for when he left Green Bay.

[Darnell]

So it's.

[Brian Angelico]

It's been really neat to get back together and see what it's become.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, I guess the previous. Was it four years you were with Minnesota, right?

[Mount Washington]

Yep.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay. That transition from Minnesota to Pittsburgh, what's the difference if there are any differences in the processing or just the organizational lead from Minnesota to Pittsburgh?

[Brian Angelico]

Yeah, for me, it's been an easy transition. Obviously blessed to be a part of a great organization here in Pittsburgh, and Minnesota was, you know, great organization, treated the players well and the coaches well, and that whole family atmosphere, and obviously the, you know, the Steeler fans are second to none. So that's. That's been really neat. And I actually was at University of Pittsburgh with Dave Wanstead from 2006-10. So. Yeah, so I just. Instead of going right, I go left now. So I. Yeah, that. It was neat to come back because, you know, there's people I still got to know from Pittsburgh. So it was really cool to come back.

[Joe Harrison]

Who is your inspiration coach that got you started and the inspiration to be a. To be a coach?

[Brian Angelico]

Yeah, I think, you know, I loved, you know, sports growing up. You know, your high school coaches and teachers, you know, they inspire you. So I was going to be a, you know, a phys ed teacher and coach football in high school. That's what I thought I was going to be and played Division 3 football and baseball and wasn't good enough after that. So I'm like, all right, what am I going to do? I really didn't like studying, so I'm like, sports is what interests me. So I just went right in and was a graduate assistant. And, you know, I came from small college ball. I started, and I was in Division 3 football for 10 years, coaching football and baseball. So it was, you know, I thought I was going to be there and take over as the head coach, but then I had an opportunity to join Dave Wanstead at the University of Pittsburgh and was fortunate enough to keep climbing.

[Joe Harrison]

Yeah. Okay. Because we had some time in Pittsburgh. I mean, he had some time in Cleveland.

[Mount Washington]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Harrison]

Gary Barnes to the point.

[Mount Washington]

Yeah.

[Brian Angelico]

Those were fun days. Yeah. Wish we won a few more games. We actually were in first place seven

[James Deebo Harrison]

and four in Cincinnati.

[Brian Angelico]

We beat Cincinnati on Thursday night.

[Joe Harrison]

Oh, man, we're going to playoffs.

[Brian Angelico]

I know that was. And then injuries happened.

[Joe Harrison]

NFL happens.

[Brian Angelico]

NFL happens. Exactly.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Coach, as an oc, when you're. When you're looking at a defense and you're getting prepared to play against that defense, are you just going in and saying, like, this is what we run, or are you looking at it as. What is it that we run, that we can. That I see that we can take advantage of, or is it a combination of both?

[Brian Angelico]

Yeah, I think, you know, you're obviously trying to attack their weaknesses where you can get the matchups that are favorable to you, but we're not going to, like, reinvent the offense every week. We try to have a, you know, pretty diverse, you know, playbook with where we can get the matchups on our terms, everything that we're trying to do. So that's really, you know, how can you exploit it? And where we're blessed is, you know, what grouping you want to play in. You know, where you have, you know, like, guys like Darnell and Muth, and, you know, you want to play in 12, 13, 22, 11, right, to try to try to get the. As you guys well know, the personnel grouping on the field. You want to be in base and sub, and I want to go away from the nickel. I want to attack the boundary. So those are things you're trying to do and mixing people, moving people around.

[Darnell]

But you.

[Brian Angelico]

Ultimately, you're running the core plays, and then you'll have a play that'll be off of a play that you've shown on tape, because you guys are. You guys are studying that. And so, you know, trying to get what their check is, what formation, what's. What splits, get them in a sky check, you know, all that kind of stuff. So that's all fun.

[James Deebo Harrison]

How many. How many coaches, OCs do you think actually come in with that mindset? Because, to be honest with you, man, it's not. It's not a lot of people that I've heard that actually think that thought process. Process of how they're going to attack offense.

[Brian Angelico]

Yeah, I mean, I think they all do. I mean, I think there's. It's just what you're willing to do. Like, there's a philosophy, we do what we do or we're trying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Right. I get a lot of weeping.

[Mount Washington]

Yeah.

[Brian Angelico]

And I. And I think, you know, you have to do what you do. When you do, you have to do well.

[Mount Washington]

Like, I.

[Brian Angelico]

And I absolutely believe in that.

[Darnell]

And.

[Brian Angelico]

But I think it's, you know, the creativity of how you can adjust splits and.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Mount Washington]

You know, dress down.

[Brian Angelico]

Help guys get off releases with motions or stacks, you know, because, you know, you're going against those good corners. You. You got to help to guys, you know, you just can't leave them out there where they're pressed or they got help over the top. So you're just trying to, you know, get ways to do that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, disguise. I mean, like, we try and disguise as a defense.

[Joe Harrison]

Y' all do it.

[Mount Washington]

Y'.

[James Deebo Harrison]

All. Y' all do it with motion and different formation and try and, you know, build it instead of just coming out there and sitting in it. Over the years, like, you know, I've learned, like, okay, yeah, this is the same thing.

[Joe Harrison]

They didn't.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They just didn't come out in it. Yeah, they built well, we in Minnesota with.

[Brian Angelico]

It was Justin Jefferson, like Jetta's. We were, you know, he. They were going to have a place playing every week for him. So it was like, how can we. Yeah, for me, now the players get annoyed, like, oh, you're changing that formation to this. Well, it's the same play, right? So there's, there's that, you know, that learning, but it, but it helps when you, when, when you need it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

[Joe Harrison]

Are you a sideline or booth guy?

[Brian Angelico]

I've been on the sideline as a position coach for, you know, for the last 14 years. So I think that will.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Will.

[Brian Angelico]

We'll work through that, you know, as we get through preseason, what it's going to look like, obviously, going into the regular season. But whatever, you know, whatever's best for us on offense, that's what we'll do.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay. Hey, Coach, so say five years from now, you're. You're still the OC here. I know that's not your plan because you're trying to get to the head coach.

[Joe Harrison]

I see it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But if you are, what would you want Stiller fans to say when they talked about your offense?

[Brian Angelico]

Yeah, number one, we're a tough, physical offense. You know, I think that's. That certainly is what DNA of the city. You know, we're going to be a physical, tough offense. We want to play smart, fundamentally sound football. I think taking care of the football and explosive, you know, big plays, creating big plays. I think that's. That's how you score points. You need big plays, and when you win in fourth, you got to be able to run the football. And that physicality and toughness has to be there. And hopefully they'll see that in Our play style

[Joe Harrison]

loving everything coach is talking about.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No question. Coach, we know you got to get going, man. We want to thank you for your time, man. Really appreciate you spending a few minutes with us. Hope you have a great season, man. Go out there. Listen, I need y' all to come back with another super bowl so I can talk real crazy. Thank you, man. Appreciate. Appreciate, sir.

[Brian Angelico]

Appreciate, sir.

[Darnell]

You got it.

[Mount Washington]

All right.

[Brian Angelico]

Yes, sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Man, you have a good one. Yes, sir. Look here, the reason we're in here

[Joe Harrison]

now is cuz, like, the weather outside is frightful. Weather outside is frightful. But I'm telling you, cuz, it looks crazy out there. It's bad. We had the prayer set up,

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[James Deebo Harrison]

Come on, man, sit on up in here, man. We got. We got. We got Mount Washington already. Now we got fire moves coming through on this thing.

[Joe Harrison]

Come on, man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Inside. Because the weather outside is frightful.

[Joe Harrison]

Put my boys indoors. He's watching some nice.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Watching some nice football, man. We had a beautiful view, man. Like, you saw the whole field down, everything. Everything was set up, man. Did they mic you up?

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[Darnell]

I'm good.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Let's go, boy.

[Darnell]

What's up, boy? Great, man. How y' all doing? Little lightning, little lightning alert.

[Joe Harrison]

Yes, sir.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look here, brother, how are you liking the new offensive direction of Michael?

[Darnell]

I love it, man. It's. It's fun to be a part of. I think it's cool how he utilizes all of us to our. What we can do best, moving us around. It's been really cool seeing him, you how he used me and Darnell in different situations. And I mean, having another year with a rod, man, it's great, man. We're just playing fast. It's cool to see guys who come back. Darnell, me, dk, Jalen, Roman. Like another year with hall of Fame quarterback. Like that, like, it's clicking. It feels great.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. And my watch was tell us y' all do a little sit down session. I guess was it once a week or whatever it is. But actually with Aaron at his spot and basically, you know, just to build that understanding. I think that's one of those things. As I was telling him, like, you get that non. That nonspoken, you know, communication. It's like, hey, you seeing what I'm saying? When we were seeing at the crib,

[Darnell]

like here, 100%, that's the coolest part is, I mean, as a guy who's been in the league, what, 20 plus years now, like on his off day, that's probably the last thing. He wants to host people over his house, but he holds the whole offense over. He gets his food. We watch film with him. He sees what we're thinking, what he sees, what he looks at when he watches film. So it's cool to see how you can change how you watch film for a Hall of Fame quarterback. I mean, that, that's, it's, it's really cool.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay, you know what? I was just thinking something with him being a Hall of Fame quarterback.

[Joe Harrison]

Yes.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And you being in the league as long as you have, is it anything that he has given you or, or, or, or said to you, give you a nugget of knowledge where it's like, oh, my goodness, if I had been doing that sooner, I could have, I could have been doing better. Maybe I left some yards on the field. If, if, if I didn't. If I had done this, you know,

[Darnell]

soon, 100%, just the angles of my routes. Like, the coolest part of him is like, in my mind, growing up, like even early years, like, it's like, okay, I gotta get from point A to point B. But like, no, you want to create some route craft to some vertical launch, some different angle points, working angles on the defender so you can, you know, make them think something and go a different way. So, like, that's the coolest part, is just like understanding what he sees. If, like a defender's low hip.

[Joe Harrison]

Yeah.

[Darnell]

And I'm running a corner out and he's low hip, he can throw you back shoulder, you can throw over the top. Just how to feel different leverages where he can throw the ball and to expect it. And I mean, that's, that's when you get on the same point with that, you can't stop that.

[Joe Harrison]

That's unguardable.

[Darnell]

100.

[Joe Harrison]

You know what I'm saying? That's why they always say a good pass is always going to be good defense. You know what I'm saying? Loving it. Being able to play with a Rob for that long. Y' all getting that stuff in. That's good stuff, bro. Good stuff. So going into. What are you expecting from you this season, brother? Because, I mean, last year, me and Deebo were always watching. You weren't like, I think she gets more time.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I said, what's going on? Why the man ain't in the game? Why they use it?

[Joe Harrison]

What are you expecting this season from your brother? Because I know you are. Just every time you're out there, you catch the ball, you're going to get the ball, you're going to get open like being able to do that stuff. So just for me, from me and Debo's perspective, love everything you do. Your personality, the way you are in the locker room, the way you play. What are you expecting from yourself though, just coming into this season?

[Darnell]

I'm expecting a lot, man, from just myself as a leader of this team, you know, as a locker room guy on the field, there's so much that personally, like whatever happened last year, that is what it is. But like I'm using it as a growth opportunity to really, this whole offseason I was like, you know, there may be some things that were out of my control, but look at what I was doing, my process and I changed some things up and really self reflected and I'm expecting a big, a lot of big things from me this year and I'm hoping this is the year that everything comes together.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, okay. I'm hoping this the year that everything come together. See, because I, I told, I told Brian told you OC I need a Super bowl so I can act real stupid. You know, facts. Cuz I'm. I'm promise you I'm going make like I was in the game and I'mma figure out how to get me a ring too.

[Darnell]

Hey man, the coolest is just seeing the photos of you guys. Celebrates like the super bowl pools downtown. Yeah, dude, like just to experience something like that. Seeing the people hanging off the parking garages and stuff like that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like, did you so cool the crowd surfing. You just jump in the crowd to catch you. It's great. They tried to steal Troy though.

[Darnell]

I saw that.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah, we had to go get it, bro. We had to go get him. Like bring you back this way. Y' all can't take me that way. What y' all doing, man? That ain't the right thing.

[Joe Harrison]

How the young boys doing, man, with Drew Allen?

[Darnell]

So he, he's, he's a good kid, man. When he gets more comfortable being around the guys in the locker room, it's cool to like kind of bring him along. Hanging out with some of the vets just kind of see, you know what it's like to be a quarterback in the league. Because you know, like, if you have that relationship with guys off the field, even defenders, like, they're going to want to pick your brain and relate to you off the field. So it's been cool. Drew's going to be good. I really like the rookie RJ, the safety there, 28. I've been going against him because we had a couple safeties down and stuff like. Like that. But he has a lot of potential, man. He does. He has. He has good pad level. He's hard to get surface get. Try and get surface area to get off and push off a little bit. He's agreeing to be really good.

[Joe Harrison]

That's good. So how was. We got Joey Porter Jr. My man. He's. Hopefully we get him. Got to get him paid, you know what I'm saying? So Darnell just.

[Darnell]

We got a really good nucleus of guys on this team, and I'm really excited for.

[Joe Harrison]

For.

[Darnell]

For this year, for sure.

[Joe Harrison]

Well, me and Debo was super excited, too, because the talent, like you said, it doesn't.

[Darnell]

Talent everywhere.

[Joe Harrison]

Talent's all over the place, and we're a Rod coming back, knowing that this is going to be his. He's playing, saying it, so. Hell yeah. Happy for you guys.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, how much of that, knowing that this is the last year that you're going to have a Hall of Fame quarterback? How much of that is motivating you guys to be like, yo, we got to do everything we can to make sure we can catch that lightning in the bottle and go get it?

[Darnell]

I mean, that's probably one of our. It's not like we don't talk about it, but as an individual, like, we all kind of look around like, me, dk, Ro, like, all the guys were like, hey, like, we got to be on top of our shit. Like, we got to do what we got to do for him, for the team. And, you know, we can't go out like we did last year. And Aaron definitely doesn't want to do that either. So we gotta get back to the playoffs and make some noise.

[Joe Harrison]

Come on, man. Y' all heard move. Y' all heard move. Playoffs.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Make some noise. I ain't going to lie to you already. I mean, my standard ain't too high. Worst case, I got 13 to 4.

[Joe Harrison]

That was worst case.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That was worst case. I got 13.

[Brian Angelico]

Four.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm rocking with week by week by week by week. I ain't got to go week by week.

[Joe Harrison]

I knew the answer.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I can do that. I mean, worst case scenario, AFC championship.

[Brian Angelico]

That's.

[James Deebo Harrison]

That's just where I'm at with. I'm just. I'm not trying to put any pressure. No, that's the goal. Letting you know where I'm at. So don't have it. I want you to know. I'mma talk Granny.

[Darnell]

It's going to be bad on the Instagram reals. I'm going to be scrolling.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Did he not listen right. So I'm pretty sure y' all gonna have a live two tidings and it's gonna be 50 50. How much of an advantage is that?

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[James Deebo Harrison]

You on one side, my watch, My

[Joe Harrison]

watch on the side.

[James Deebo Harrison]

And them trying to say, do I need to put in another safety or do I need to put in another D lineman? Because they can do one or both. Dude, this is going to be so awesome to see.

[Darnell]

That's great, man. And it's great.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Or do you just come to the line with an option? They don't say nothing.

[Darnell]

We don't know.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm giving them too much.

[Joe Harrison]

Much.

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[Joe Harrison]

Don't say nothing, man.

[Darnell]

Don't say nothing. That's awesome, man.

[Joe Harrison]

Going to be good.

[Darnell]

How you guys like being back at the tr, man?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, it's great when I ain't got to practice.

[Joe Harrison]

I'm not going to lie. The being away from it feels a little like I. I miss the boys. I miss hanging out with you. I miss playing like the lineup. I'm looking at y' all running into each other. Honestly, I'm like, damn, I used to do that. We were crazy. We were crazy.

[Darnell]

Backs on backers. We don't have that this year. Thank God, man.

[Joe Harrison]

Man, why not, you know? Healthy packs. He know. He know he got it in him, man.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I like that. That was the thing I liked about it, man.

[Joe Harrison]

How's the practice?

[James Deebo Harrison]

You still get the ends, right?

[Darnell]

Yeah. Yeah.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Okay.

[Darnell]

Oh, grab grass.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Tight ends.

[Darnell]

Yeah, tight ends, Outside linebackers. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Harrison]

One on ones.

[Darnell]

One on ones.

[Joe Harrison]

Okay.

[Darnell]

Yeah, we still do it all. Just we don't do back. I mean, I think they maybe done it. It's not the same backs and backers. It ain't tight ends, outside linebackers. It's like, I think they start out the line of scrimmage.

[James Deebo Harrison]

We'll explain the drill to him. So the drill he's talking about is called. We called it backs on back. So it was a run drill. And basically, it was more set up for advantage of these cats, because you lined up, head up, and they would either cut you off, reach you, or drive block you. And you ain't know what they was going to do until they actually, like, did it. So in that drill, I ain't gonna lie. I was damn good.

[Joe Harrison]

Cause you swole.

[James Deebo Harrison]

No, no.

[Joe Harrison]

It's a secret to it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

The secret is they don't listen. I say back off. They want to get tight to these dudes. I'm like, dude, back off. If you back off, you can see what he's doing, and then you can get to it and use your muscle now to push him.

[Joe Harrison]

This. Pop your hips and drive me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Everybody want to pull up tight.

[Joe Harrison]

As soon as they pull up tight,

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm like, yo, he about to lose. You know, soon as he tight.

[Darnell]

Well, I. I would never drive, drive, block. I would never drive. I'm like, hey, I'm going inside zone, outside zone. I am running off the ball. I'm not letting him let. I'm putting my outside arm, and I'm throwing it. Like, I'm not letting them get smart, because if they beat you inside, if they went inside, it's a loss from the defense because you have to set.

[Ice Cube Big Three Announcer]

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[Darnell]

So I would just run off the ball and take off.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yeah. And I'm like, yo, do that.

[Mount Washington]

Like.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like when. When me and Heath used to do it. Like, dude, I'm like, sitting back. I'm like, I know what he's going to do. I'm like, I can. I can look and see. And I would lean to the side of, like, oh, he's leaning happy. He about to try and drive block me.

[Darnell]

So, like, I'll give up. Like, I'll open my foot up a little bit and be like, all right. I'm gonna make it seem like I'm going outside. Yeah, I just go inside zone. So it's because they read your foot. They read your. What you're doing. So it's cool to see the intricacy of that. Like.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Like that. When they started doing that. Yeah, I just sit back, and I just. I watch the hips. Cause you could do this and go this way. You could do that, but you can't lie. Moving hips. Yeah, can't lie with hips don't lie. Hips don't lie, baby.

[Darnell]

Hips do not lie.

[Joe Harrison]

Facts.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Yes, sir. Man, look here at Fry, man. We want to thank you for coming on, man. I know you got to get up out of here. Appreciate your time. Always. Look here. Keep your Eye out for move.

[Joe Harrison]

You know what time it is.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You know what time it is. He gonna be pancake. Pancake touchdown, baby. Look.

[Joe Harrison]

Appreciate you, baby.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Now, as we were saying, we had a great setup. It was beautiful.

[Joe Harrison]

Was background, everything.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Whole practice still sitting there, literally.

[Joe Harrison]

Latrobe was looking. You saw something. It said saint in the grass. Looked beautiful.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Look beautiful.

[Joe Harrison]

Thunderstorms.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, ain't nothing wrong with this too. It's Deebo and Joe, though.

[Brian Angelico]

Look here.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Anytime we on here, it look good. Yeah, it's a beauty. Hey, what you looking at right now is beauty.

[Joe Harrison]

She just trying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Hey, man. Beauty and the Beast. Beauty and the Beast tripping

[Joe Harrison]

back to my man. This is what I was trying to say. When you're coach, you come out. I just don't want you're bringing unnecessary noise. Debo, you know, this is what he's doing. Cause it's like if you were gonna go start him, you. You have every right. You're not just a fly by the rail kind of guy. I know that you knew that you were gonna have go to start Deshaun Watson before the practice started. So when you did that, why now you got me looking crazy in front of Deebo. That's like, there go the Browns knowing that. Why would your coach say that I'm like this. That would make sense.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm thinking there is a logical reason for this.

[Joe Harrison]

But no, no, this is what I'm saying. If you are the head coach and you know what you're gonna do, just say that that's my only thing. Because I'm like, I understand. Like when you said with the Miles Garrett with the trades, you gotta keep stuff out of there. Cause you don't want nothing to come out. But Practice is in 45 minutes. You're gonna literally sit there and tell everybody, oh, he's starting. And then 45 minutes later, when practice comes, he's not starting. So I'm like, you could have saved yourself a bunch of. Just like, if you wanna have Watson start, you're the head coach. You can do whatever you want to do. Say what you want to say. But like, if you say it, then all right, bet that's we're going to go off of it. You just blatantly lied to everybody. For what, though? That's the only part that I'm not getting. If you want desean Watson to be the starter and you think he's playing better, fine. Because you're the head coach and you thinking that, you see that whatever, you got that right to do it. But to keep like to lie though, for what? You grown ass man who you scared of. You want desean to be a quarterback?

[Ice Cube Big Three Announcer]

Maybe.

[Joe Harrison]

Maybe just run with it.

[James Deebo Harrison]

He's a first year head coach. Maybe it's not all his decision. Maybe it's, maybe it's coming from somebody else. Maybe it's from the gym. Maybe it's from the man upstairs. Because, boy, Haslam did say it was an opportunity that, you know, it was. No, it was, it was an opportunity that he could be back next year. He did not close that door. He said it was. So how do you know that he's not able to maybe pull the strings as he wants to pull them? Maybe I'm just saying, I'm just, I just don't think, I just don't think the man is going out there just to blatantly just, just lie. I just, I don't. I'm hoping that's not it. You know what I'm saying? But when you, when you start having the owner talking about he's leaving the door open, you start speculation of this and that. And now he was supposed to, Shador was supposed to take all the ones and now all of a sudden it's Watson taking all the ones. Maybe it done came from the top.

[Joe Harrison]

Maybe it did, but coach got a. It just makes him look like you don't have, don't say nothing then, like, you know what I'm saying? Don't, don't say that. You know who's going to be the starting quarterback before you go out to practice if you don't. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, it just, it just makes, it just makes drama in the media for no reason. Like, we understand we're having a quarterback battle, but it makes it even more crazy when you say, oh, Shador is going, this is his day to go start. And then he gets no starting reps. Why did you say that then, Coach? Like, don't say anything like, say today's. Because it's obvious they've been switching, they've been getting different reps. And then you say he's starting. He doesn't start at all. This day DeSean starts and he's splitting reps with Dylan Gabriel, and Dylan Gabriel with the second team has more reps than him. So I'm like, I'm sitting here, coach, it's your team.

[James Deebo Harrison]

If.

[Joe Harrison]

And you think he's doing better or whatever, let it be that what it is. But.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Well, he said it was some, some, some formations, some, some, some huddle stuff. Yeah, some things that he wanted to see Watson do that. You know, couldn't have been done the next day or the next time they switch.

[Joe Harrison]

Joe, you know, that's. You know, that sounds crazy. You know, that sounds crazy, though. I'm like, are you just flying by the. He's flying by the suit, his pants. I feel like that you gonna tell him 45 minutes before the practice that he's starting, and he doesn't. That's why it's just me with that. Just don't lie if you can have. Do what you want to do.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Maybe he was going to start in his head, maybe in his mind, but it was already told. That's why it was a insider that said Mary Kay. That's what Mary Kay said. She might have heard it from somebody else. She ain't hear from him. She probably heard from somebody maybe a little bit higher than him. Maybe that was closer to somebody higher

[Joe Harrison]

than him saying, no, he. She talking about. She talked to deshawn Wata, which said that he heard that he was going to be starting before practice started. So then when he go out there,

[James Deebo Harrison]

who he hearing from?

[Joe Harrison]

The coach. The coach?

[James Deebo Harrison]

Oh, he heard it from the coach.

[Joe Harrison]

The coach told him.

[Ice Cube Big Three Announcer]

He's.

[Joe Harrison]

Yeah, you're starting practice, and then Mary Kabit talks to DeShawn before. Like, no, I heard 45 minutes before practice that I was going to be the starter. And then you go to the media thing and tell everybody, oh, yeah, Shador's gonna be started. Sean already knows he started. Like, don't just say that then, please. Just don't say anything. Don't. Deshaun's probably starting to have some formations that I want him to be playing about. I'm like, legit. Say it. Don't say, oh, yeah, today's Shador's day. He started, and he doesn't start. Like, I don't care if he's not. If he's not playing well, if desean's playing better. It's just my. Why are you making drama when it doesn't need to be none? Like, brother just said the. Sean was starting today and everybody was still being cool because they're switching days.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I am trying my best.

[Joe Harrison]

You're trying to figure out why. Because that's what I was trying to do. I don't. I don't. I'm out the way. I want everybody. Like, I'm trying to give Todd Monken the benefit of the doubt because he came in at the rip. It's a quarterback competition. Da, da, da. Shador's gonna be getting his reps. Deshaun's gonna be get his reps. But when you come out and say today is Shador's day and Deshawn already knew it was his day and he gets out there and gets all the reps, that looks crazy to me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

As much as I'm trying to.

[Joe Harrison]

You trying to say something against what I'm saying.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I'm trying to. I'm trying. I see why you stutter when you ain't got nothing.

[Joe Harrison]

You just don't have. Yeah, you just don't have nothing. You have to agree.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You got it.

[Joe Harrison]

I got to disagree then when I stutter. Cuz you're right.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You're right.

[Joe Harrison]

You're right.

[James Deebo Harrison]

You're right.

[Joe Harrison]

You catch me stun.

[Ice Cube Big Three Announcer]

Look at him.

[Joe Harrison]

You're right.

[James Deebo Harrison]

They causing a whole bunch of confusion where it needs to be none. Like you said, that's something that could have been cleared up right there before a Shador is supposed to start. But I need to see, you know, I'm going to need to see, you know, Watson do this, that and the third.

[Erin Andrews]

But.

[James Deebo Harrison]

But I'm just telling you, that's just another example of the Browns, Browning, man, they don't know how to. They can't get out of their own way.

[Joe Harrison]

That's the only thing. That's what I.

[Mount Washington]

When.

[Joe Harrison]

When things like this. That's what you can say to me.

[James Deebo Harrison]

It's been like that forever.

[Joe Harrison]

I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. This. This one right here is just a little. It's. It's off.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Since they came back. Who's been owner of the Brown since they came back?

[Joe Harrison]

Mr. Haslam. Well, it was Mr. Hasm bought it in probably 6, 14, 14, 13.

[James Deebo Harrison]

14, 13. How many Corsics you and I had since then?

[Joe Harrison]

A lot.

[James Deebo Harrison]

Listen, man, y' all got a. A very supportive base that ain't going

[Joe Harrison]

nowhere the fan base is not. I just want. I think that's the thing though. We got a lot of. The thing is defense. We're still getting players. Offense lines, good receipt. Like we're getting some squad, we're getting some players. So the quarterback is the main. But obviously. But we got Shador. We still have him at the. At the rookie contract. We still got Deshawn there. I just.

[James Deebo Harrison]

I ain't going to lie, Joe. I don't understand the concept of putting. Of putting Watson in there unless like Hasm said, he has a potential of actually saying, you know what, I'mma sign after Next year if you play well, which means you no longer have a competition and you don't get to see what Shador could do. And if you don't do that and then you don't sign him, you actually burn up a year that you could have saw what Shador did, which leads him closer to actually being a year closer to another contract.

[Joe Harrison]

We go this the thing too. We act in life. Once the season starts at the show, Washington starting, we going to be able to act like we won't be able to see both quarterbacks anyway. So I yeah, we'll still see. We're, we're going to see who ends up being the quarterback by. After the second preseason game, once they finally announce the starter, obviously you got

[James Deebo Harrison]

to announce your starter.

[Joe Harrison]

Announce your starter.

[James Deebo Harrison]

The second preseason game, if it's got

[Joe Harrison]

to be, it's going to because ain't

[James Deebo Harrison]

nobody gonna play in the third. The starter's not gonna play in the third.

[Joe Harrison]

No, because only three and I, this is my thing. If coach didn't just say that Shador was going to be. I don't, I'm not trying to just bully coach to be like, no, you got to start shore. If there's a really legit competition and coach thinks like they're kind of the same, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know, like Shador hasn't played good enough to literally take the spot from Deshaun. If he's going to let him play, then I'm, it's not like I'm trying to bully Chador to play, but I just want want coach to just obviously try to win. Make the best quarterback play that you think is the best and just don't, don't lie.

[James Deebo Harrison]

The lion. The lion got you. It's all right.

[Audience/Chorus]

It got me.

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