Best of Iso Takeover Part 2: Tony Allen JOINS and DEFENDS his LeBron is overrated take, Bam Adebayo's all-time GOAT list, Research surrounding ACHILLES injuries

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Best of Iso Takeover Part 2

August 5, 2026

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Guests: Tony Allen, Josh “Smooth” Smith, Jeremy Pargo, Carlos

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Nightcap blends classic hoops barbershop talk with big NBA opinions, inside stories, and player debates. A highlight is Tony Allen defending his viral “LeBron is overrated defender” take, while the crew also breaks down Bam Adebayo’s controversial GOAT list, power forward rankings, and the nuances of NBA careers and player injuries. The group’s layered perspective—drawing from their own time on the court—gives fans a real-feel for all-time debates, the power of narratives, and what makes greatness in the NBA.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Russell Westbrook & the Houston Rockets: What’s Next?

[02:16 – 10:30]

• Rumor: Westbrook may reunite with KD in Houston.
• Panel Consensus: Russ, even as an older vet, can still be a high-level asset—especially off the bench.
• Jeremy Pargo: “If Russ is cool with coming off the bench, I don’t think you can get a better backup point guard than that.” (04:25)
• Josh Smith: Calls Russ one of the top five most disrespected point guards ever and lauds his off-court persona.
• Media narratives: The group critiques negative mainstream narratives, saying hate is mostly from media, not players.
• Josh Smith: “It’s mostly the media that tries to paint bad pictures on him…It’s a narrative that they painted on him. So it’s like, why not keep saying it if I’m another reporter?” (08:09)

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2. Bam Adebayo’s All-Time GOAT List Controversy

[10:45 – 12:59]

• Bam’s List: Kobe Bryant, Stephen Curry, Michael Jordan, Kevin Durant, Tim Duncan. No LeBron James.
• Speculation: Panel jokes Bam might be salty that LeBron didn’t come to Miami.
• Memorable Quote: Josh Smith on the snub—“Salt kills snails, not players. Hello!” (11:37)
• Jeremy Pargo: “That ain’t no…ain’t no other reason you leave that man off your top five list. What are you doing?” (12:55)

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3. The Underrated Status of Tim Duncan

[13:45 – 15:50]

• Tony Allen: “I don’t want to hear no top five without Tim Duncan in it…one of the most disrespected…just winners of all time.” (13:45)
• Why Disrespected? Not flashy or marketable, but always winning. Compared to Nikola Jokic in effectiveness.
• Player Impact: Both Allen and the hosts emphasize Duncan’s ability to lift teammates and make fundamental excellence the distinguishing mark.

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4. Ranking the Greatest Power Forwards

[17:14 – 19:34]

• Josh Smith’s List: Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett (KG), Rasheed Wallace, James Worthy, Karl Malone (later swaps Malone for Charles Barkley).
• Jeremy Pargo’s List: Tim Duncan, Charles Barkley, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki, Dennis Rodman.
• Rodman’s Unique Value: Pargo: “He wasn’t a scorer. But he changes teams—Dennis Rodman.”

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5. Insight: NBA Family Dynamics & Raising Prospects

[23:45 – 30:22]

• Rick & Jalen Brunson dynamic: Fathers coaching sons; the balancing act of wearing both hats for the player and the parent.
• Josh Smith: “You wanna...that is a dream of ours, to be able to coach our kids one day.” (25:17)
• Key Point: Emphasis on the stability and success of players with strong family support, especially among today’s young stars.

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6. Locker Room Talk: Snakes, Fears, and NBA Pets

[31:35 – 37:44]

• Josh Smith reveals he owns a pet python (“Hennessy”).
• Host Reaction: “I don’t play with snakes and I don’t play with spiders, bro.” (32:21)
• Funny Story: Kids interacting with snakes and animal fears in the league—bonus tales of Dwight Howard’s snake mishap.

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7. Tony Allen Defends His “LeBron Is Overrated Defender” Take

[40:06 – 62:13]

• Tony Allen clarifies: His point was about the difference between being a full-time lockdown defender versus being a superstar who sometimes defends top guys.
• Tony Allen: “Any team you put LeBron on…do you think LeBron starting out the game on KD to risk picking up two fouls? No, he’s gonna stick to self lotion...then in the last…minutes you'll get a chase down block.” (40:06)
• Allen’s Defense Resume: Emphasizes his value was denying opponents their average every night, unlike stars who can rest on defense early and focus on offense.
• Host’s Perspective: LeBron simply had too many jobs on the court—couldn’t be a full-stopper every possession.
• Allen on Memphis Rivalry: Shares that city pride and some LeBron shade toward Memphis motivated his honesty.
• Tony Allen: “You mean to tell me if you gotta play defense every minute you on the second to a guy that can only play it occasionally? Can I do it better, brother?” (59:46)
• Acknowledges LeBron's greatness: “I’m not comparing myself to him. He averaged 28, 7, and 7. Let’s be clear. But...that’s my defense, bro.” (61:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Josh Smith (on Russ media hate):
  “It’s a narrative that they painted on him...It’s mostly the media that tries to paint bad pictures on him.” (08:09)
• Josh Smith:
  “Salt kills snails, not players. Hello!” (11:37)
• Tony Allen:
  “I don’t want to hear no top five without Tim Duncan in it...one of the most disrespected winners of all time.” (13:45)
• Tony Allen on LeBron’s defense:
  “Do you think LeBron starting out the game on KD to risk picking up two fouls?...That’s not first team all defense.” (40:06)
• Host on LeBron’s multi-tasking:
  “He gotta score...assist...rebound…lead in steals...defend the number one guy the entire game. That’s not possible.” (60:15)
• Tony Allen on his defense-first job:
  “My value…don’t let them get their average...at limited minutes, he on the court for damn near 46 minutes…Can I do it better, brother?” (59:28, 59:46)
• TA and hosts on media “clip farming” and out-of-context takes. (56:52)

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Additional Segments & Timestamps

• [44:45 – 55:50] Panel reminisces about great NBA rivalries, matchups, and who they would have loved to guard (e.g., Tony Allen choosing prime Michael Jordan).
• [47:45 – 50:49] Carlos on Atlanta Hawks fandom and the city’s energy shift.
• [23:45 – 26:03] Insights on Jalen Brunson & his dad Rick’s dynamic on and off the court.

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Tone & Style

• Language/Tone: Unfiltered, conversational, with signature “locker room” authenticity.
• Themes: Brotherhood, pride in skillset, media narratives vs. player reality, generational comparison, the continuing evolution of NBA greatness.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a barbershop classic—legends like Tony Allen not only defend their records but explain why player reputations are built and broken, on and off the court. From swinging NBA narratives to all-time lists and the real talk of former players, it’s pure sports culture. Anyone interested in how true hoopers see legacy and greatness—beyond just stats or headlines—will find plenty of honest, sometimes hilarious insights.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Russell Westbrook discussion: 02:16 – 10:30
• Bam Adebayo’s GOAT snub list: 10:45 – 12:59
• Tim Duncan’s underrated greatness: 13:45 – 15:50
• Greatest power forwards ever: 17:14 – 19:34
• NBA family dynamics: 23:45 – 30:22
• Snakes and NBA pets: 31:35 – 37:44
• Tony Allen on LeBron's defense: 40:06 – 62:13

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End of Summary

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Okay, I got another one for y' all then. The Houston Rockets are considered as a serious destination for Russell Westbrook. Can y' all see Kevin Durant and Westbrook reuniting as teammates after a decade apart? Can y' all see it? Smooth. Can you see?

[Jeremy Pargo]

Can you see Mr. Pargo at this stage of their careers, right? No one has anything to prove. Everybody wants to play good basketball, y', all, y', all. Y' all play y' all older guys as well So y' all know what it is to be able to play basketball at a high level, at a. At an efficient level. And I think Russ has hit that status now to where he ain't just, you know, going.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

He ain't.

[Jeremy Pargo]

He ain't Russ of 25 years old. And Russ is one of the greatest dudes I've ever met in my life.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

He is.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Dude.

[Jeremy Pargo]

All the stories about him being a great teammate. I haven't been his teammate, but I know him and been around him a lot. So that's a great dude. I think with him walking into that locker room right now with a common goal of trying to get to a championship and win at this stage, especially older, I think it's a great place for him because they've been point guard for a long time. So you find Russ, and if Russ is cool with coming off the bench, I don't think you can get a better backup point guard than that.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hell, no. I mean, think about this. You know, you think about all. All the great times that they had in OKC and obviously they came up short being up 3:1 against their warriors team. And then KD goes and joined, man, you. They have to think about those times and be like, what if. You know what I mean? What if we would have stayed together here, we probably would at least got one, you feel me? So I wouldn't mind seeing Westbrook team back over KD and Houston, bro. I think he'll bring them a totally different dynamic at that point guard position. Because guess what? You know what you're gonna get from him every night. He gonna play hard as. I don't know what he gonna defend, you know what I'm saying? And he understands playmaking, you know what I mean? KD ain't had one. Boom. Let me find. Let me find big fella. Let him get him an easy one, you know what I'm saying? Dump down to the other big fella. You know, he. I think he makes the game easy for everybody. He just gotta keep his turnovers down. If we keeping it 100, I think

[Jeremy Pargo]

them having what's name back. Fred back will make that easier for Russ. Russ can play with.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

On the ball, off the ball.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Him coming off the bench behind Fred, I think that's a great spot. I think that's a great spot for Russ. Russ can play basketball in that system. And like I said, man, we all older. Russ is older now. He don't care about all the other shit that was going on when he was young. Right now, it's about winning and playing basketball the right way.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

It is, bro. Check this out, though. One NBA scout told Ira Winderman that he wouldn't touch free agent Russell Westbrook in a million years. He said, I wouldn't touch him in a million years. You can't rely on him in his terms of what he's. What's going to happen. Yeah, he'll have you in great games, sure, but he can't shoot. He plays his own way. He's not going to fit into a system. He doesn't really defend what y' all think. What y' all think about him saying that

[Jeremy Pargo]

is different.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

It's got Ira Winderman, I guess he'll be writer or reporter or something. It's been reported that he. This is what he said. He said he wouldn't touch him in the middle. He said, I mean, yeah, he'll put up some numbers and he'll win you some games. In terms of truly building winning team, you don't get him on your team. I think that's false. I think if I'm. I agree with what we were talking about. If I'm the Houston Rockets, bro, I'm taking that gamble. I'm taking that gamble. Cause look, think about this. Even if Fred Van Fleet, I'm sure he will start the season. But damn, he just come off of ACL surgery. Y' all gonna run him in the ground for 82 games. And what are you gonna be able to get you in the postseason? Nothing. So you gotta have some depth at that point guard position. Guys who know how to play, guys who know and understand the game and who can make the game easy for the guys around them. So I always think, bro. And when you look at him. Cause he up in age smooth. And Pargo, he always in great damn shape. And for me, y' all know me, bro. I'm a guy who loves a guy in great shape. You in great shape. You can play with me any day. Hey, man, I'm giving that a chance. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Jeremy Pargo]

You gotta give it a chance. Because I think he's talking about the young Russell Westbrook that had his own team, that Russell Westbrook. If he's still thinking that way, then I can agree with him. But I guarantee you, Russ ain't thinking that way. This man is showing that he's willing to change. He's coming off the bench, bro.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

This is a Hall of Famer later

[Jeremy Pargo]

in his career that's coming off the bench, and he's okay with it. How do you hear people say how much of a great teammate and a great person. He is. And you put that on that man name at 30. What's Russ? 38, 37.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

And it's a real true testament, Smooth in Pargo, that his love and passion for the game, bro.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Yes.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You know what I mean? Cause at some point, you know, you keep hearing these stories about yourself, people saying these. Creating these false narratives, man, you'll. You'll throw your hands up like, man, damn, all this. I'm moving around. But he continued to fight and work for his spot, bro. So he got the utmost respect. I got a question, Smooth. What's the beef everybody got with Westbrook, bro? Why everybody. Why everybody be doubting Russ all the time or talking down on him, bro? What's up with the disrespect? Is he the most. Okay, I ask you this. Is he the most disrespected guy of all times?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I think so, because. Because he. In my eyes, he's top five point guard of all time, man. But what. What, What? Point guard. You know, that average triple double in multiple seasons, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

That's hard to do.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

And then I think. I think what it is, is people don't like his demeanor. But how you want. How you want a player or a point guard to play at that position, you know what I'm saying? You want a dog with a little. With some swagger at that position.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I think he's the most understood basketball player of all time, too. You know what I'm saying? I think he does a great job at being a family man, a husband, you know what I'm saying? What he's doing with his kids, what he's doing for his community. I don't know why, man. I mean, it's kind of crazy to me to see the hate when you. When you have all of those things going on on a positive note about yourself. But I don't think. I don't think people like how he answers questions to the media, you know what I'm saying? It's mostly. You got to think about it. It's mostly the media that tries to paint bad pictures on him. It's not really guys that really know basketball, like, you know, basketball players or like. Like Parko said, teammates that played with him or guys that just crossed path pass with him and. And just got. It just got a, you know, a dose of who he is as. As a person in his character. So I don't think that, you know, the media paints a great picture of him, but at the same Time. They have to have something to say in order to. It's like clickbait, you know what I'm saying, at the end of the day? So it's like. It's a narrative that they painted on him. So it's like, why not keep saying it if I'm another reporter? You know what I mean?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Right, Right.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

It's just like Skip Bayless, back in the day, making his career out for bashing LeBron James. You know what I mean?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Cause once that narrative is created and put out there, the damage is done already. You know what I mean? Whether it's true or false, you know what I mean? People gonna kind of run with it. So. I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. Jeremy, what you think, bro? Why everybody be hating on Westbrook, bro?

[Jeremy Pargo]

It's gotta be something. Back in the day, man, when Russ was the guy where, you know, when you the guy, you have a lot more leeway to do what you want, say what you want, and they continue to put that on him. But that man doesn't deserve it. That man has literally changed his entire career because it's been guys in the past that's fought about coming off the bench and not wanting to do this. That man has put his head down and say, I'm going to Sacramento. I'm gonna come off the bench. I'm gonna play for the Clippers. I'm gonna come off the bench and do what I can to help the team win. I. You can see how he is with young guys. He's helping young guys come along. He's great for your franchise at this point. He's not.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

He's not.

[Jeremy Pargo]

He's not a problem. So I don't understand why people try and pick on him and put that on him.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

And.

[Jeremy Pargo]

And I am a Westbrook advocate right now. I'm a big fan of what Russ does, especially at this stage of his career, because he's completely changed his game to fit any system in the NBA, any team he can, because he's not going to do too much.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I agree.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I agree for sure.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I agree with you on that. Oh, yeah. Hey, move. Check this out. Bam out of bio. Leaves LeBron James off of his all time top five list. Bam. Lee Braun out, bro. He. He listen to his top five. Smooth. Hear me out. He got Kobe Bryant, he got Steph Curry, he got Michael Jordan, Kevin Durant and Tim Duncan. What's up with this list, bro? Bam. Bam ain't messing with Braun. You got Braun in your Top five

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

he probably mad at. Brian ain't come down there to south beach to mess with him.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, man, come on. He living off his top five.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Cause of that might be a little salty, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but salt kills snails, not players. You feel what I'm saying?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hello, hello, hello. Run that one more time. I need to say it louder for the people in the back.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I said salt kills snails, not players. Hello, hello, hello there, my man. Go right there. Yes, sir.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, there go my boy Jeremy. That boy on that pimp talk tonight, Jeremy. I don't know what he got. Hey, him and TA went on that pimp talk tonight.

[Carlos]

I'm like, hey, that ain't my lane, brother.

[Jeremy Pargo]

I stay in my lane. That ain't where I live.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Hey, thank you.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Thank you for joining us again, brother. Welcome back.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Yes, sir.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You know. You know. How you feeling, bro? How you feeling tonight, man?

[Jeremy Pargo]

I'm solid, brother.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I was about to go do me

[Jeremy Pargo]

a little R B karaoke. I get a little call. I said, I got.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Got to go on here with my man. Are you really.

[Carlos]

What am I supposedly down about?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Come on, man. You know how we get down with that karaoke, man.

[Jeremy Pargo]

You know where I'm going. I'm going to karaoke. Get me on the mic.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, listen, check this out, man. Bam. Bam. Left Braun off his all time top five list. His top five Germans, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Curry, Michael Jordan, Kevin Durant, and Tim Duncan. Jeremy, what's up with this list, bro?

[Jeremy Pargo]

This way you start this. What you starting with?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We getting right to it. That's.

[Jeremy Pargo]

That's wild. He might. I don't think he like Bron, you know, that might.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Smooth say. Smooth say. Cause he ain't come to Miami yet. He like, man, I ain't.

[Jeremy Pargo]

It's gotta be. That ain't no. Ain't no other reason you leave that man off your top five list. What are you doing?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You think so?

[Jeremy Pargo]

Ain't no other reason you can't.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I agree. I agree. Cause I ain't gonna lie. If I had. If I do a top five bruin definitely in there every time. I don't know yet. Bam. He definitely must be salty that. You know, Brian didn't pick the heat. Jeremy, did you think he was going to the heat, bro?

[Jeremy Pargo]

I thought it was a possibility, but I think, man, since they took them chocolate chip cookies, it was over.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

But you ain't have Philly. You ain't have Philly. You ain't have him going to Philly.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Nah, I Didn't have him going to Philly, but Philly gonna give him chocolate chip cookies. So he gots to go.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, hey, Smooth Boogie. Cousin says Tim Duncan needs to be. He needs to be in everyone's top five. He said, chad, let's take a listen to what Boogie said, y'.

[Jeremy Pargo]

All.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Let's listen to it.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I don't want to hear no top five without Tim Duncan in it. Like, I respect that, bro. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, like, that's. That's just how I feel. I think. I think he's one of the most disrespected. Fuck the basketball part. Just winners of all time.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

But why do you think.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I mean, is it the Old Navy? Is it the Baggy Fits? Is it the Birkenstock sandal?

[Announcer/Promoter]

It wasn't sexy.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Yeah, it wasn't sexy. You know, he wasn't, you know, as marketable as these other guys. And he's not all. I mean, he's almost like a Jokic. Since he stepped foot in the. In the L, he won. He's done nothing but win. I believe. I may be wrong, but from my knowledge, I think he's the most winningest player of all time. So if that's not top five, on top of all the accolades that come with it, I don't.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

They made the playoffs every year, right?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Damn near 2010.

[Announcer/Promoter]

Getting out of the car.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Never had a loser.

[Announcer/Promoter]

You know what I mean?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

That's incredible.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

And he got. Hey, Boogie got some valid thoughts. Smooth. What you. What you think about that, bro?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, I mean, when you put it in that perspective, you get to throwing those numbers out there. And I agree. I mean, he's definitely a guy that. It's kind of like a step, like Steph Curry did. He. He built. He helped build that San Antonio spurs franchise. And he helped Popovich become one of those coaches that was respected for. Still to this day, he's definitely, definitely top five. One of those prototypical fours that. That was probably the best to ever do it.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, for sure. German.

[Jeremy Pargo]

It's hard to leave that man off that list. It's hard to leave him off that list, man. Cause he did everything you can think of in this game. And he don't get the love. Cause he ain't loud, he ain't boisterous, but he get the job done. And ain't many people that love the hard working guy that just gets the job done. Y' all just have one on here. Tony Allen, he don't get the love he deserved, you know, so that's a part of what it is. But real Hoopers know what Tim Duncan did and what he means his game and what in terms of, you know, bringing people along and teaching them the right way to do it.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, you know what it is, man? It's because he doesn't do it with a flair. You know, he ain't. You know, he just go out there, the big fundamental. Yeah, he just get it done, bro. Like, look, I'm gonna tell you, I played against a few playoff series against him, so. Man. And I think it was 2003 when I first got to Phoenix. Well, that's like my second year in Phoenix when we had Stephon Marbury at the 1, we had Penny Hardaway at the 2, Sean Marion at the 3. I can't remember who was like 4 and 5, but I was backing all these dudes up. But anyway. Oh, it was Amari rookie year, and we played against the spurs in the first round. We were the ac. They were one seed, bro. And, you know, Maury was young, but Tim couldn't stop him. But he couldn't stop Tim neither. But he was hitting him with basic stuff like just turn around, jump hook off the glass, boom. Show it up and under, bro. He was so technical and fundamentally sound like it was awesome to watch, because guess what? When he got it going. And then you send the double. Now you got Tony Parker. Now you got Ginobili. Now you got Bruce Bourne. You got all these other guys who could. And he knew how to make those guys better. So I know it's hard keeping them out your top five, fellas, but I think it's preference, bro. It's definitely preference. Smooth. Give me. Give me your top five power fours, man. Give me your top five power fours.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Top five power fours. I gotta go. Definitely Tim Duncan. One.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You putting in one?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Oh, I mean, I would. Yeah, yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I am. I am.

[Carlos]

I am.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

For sure. You got. You got Kevin Garnett.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yes, sir.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

For sure. For sure. Kg, man, I gotta go. Rasheed Wallace.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, man, that's not.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

That's not in any kind of number.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I seen she give you about. I seen she give you about 36. I said damn. I said damn.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Who got she?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Man, fry me. I'm sitting there trying to wait for him to go to the hole. I'm sitting here scrambling, man. That was. That wasn't a good matchup. That wasn't a good matchup.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

All right, you got she.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Who else you gotta go? James Worthy.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Damn. Old school.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, I go old school. Worthy of that.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Oh, man. Oh, let me See, and Pete, your pops.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I know Pete.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Pete was a shooter, though. So, yeah, you got to slide him up a little. A little further on up. So he was definitely the shooter, man. Who would I say the fifth one would be, man?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You had to go. Like.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I'm gonna have to go Carl Malone.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay, Jeremy, give me. Give me your four. Give me your five power fours in no order.

[Jeremy Pargo]

It's gotta be Tim Duncan. I don't know how he ain't say Charles Barkley. Cause what he was doing, he was.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

He wasn't thinking. He was.

[Announcer/Promoter]

He.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I'm take.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take Carl Malone. Give me Charles, man.

[Jeremy Pargo]

This is my list, brother. This is my list. Don't, don't.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Don't step on my list.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Hey, wait. Whatever. Look, I'mma make a trade, man. I'mma trade all up out of there, man. Get him on out of there for Mr. Barkley. Mr. Chuck himself.

[Jeremy Pargo]

I gotta go.

[Narrator/Announcer]

I probably.

[Jeremy Pargo]

I gotta throw KG in there because of what he. What he meant to his teams. Stepped on that court. I think you missing Dirk a little bit, too. Oh, and I got. I gotta round this list off with somebody. This is a wild, wild number. But he wasn't a scorer. But he changes teams. Dennis Rodman.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, man. Well, you grew up with Chicago, kid, so it kind of makes sense. I'm saying, back then, Jeremy, when you was watching the game, did you really understand it? Like, how old were you?

[Jeremy Pargo]

Hell, no, I ain't understand what was going on. I just knew he made a lot of noise and he colored his hair. I didn't know what was going on. But as I got older and was able to understand, man, that man meant everything to every team he played for.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, my goodness. I know. I know. M.J. like a God in Chicago, bro. So going. Growing up there, I could imagine, you know, you being immersed in it because as a kid out of Little Rock German, I ain't missing no games on wgn. I'm catching every game, every night. You know what I mean?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Absolutely.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

My favorite team.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Hey, until.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Chat gonna kill me with that, too, but that's okay.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

What's that?

[Jeremy Pargo]

The chat gonna kill me putting Dennis Robin in there.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

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[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, no, no, listen.

[Jeremy Pargo]

You gotta put the mailman in there.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Carl Malone. Hey, bro. Smooth. The Bulls was my favorite team. And then when Orlando got Penny, that was like my first NBA game I ever went to. My best friend, bg. His pops. His pops took us. His pops took me. Him and my other best friend, Vault took us to our first NBA game. It was in Memphis. Orlando was playing against the Bulls in Memphis. Scottie Pippen played for the Bulls, you know what I mean? Penny played for Orlando when he from Memphis. Oh man, that was like. That was my first NBA game, bro. It was crazy. So I get it.

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[Host/Lead Commentator]

I get it. Rick Brunson on being Rick Brunson on being the coach to his son, Jalen Brunson. Rick said, we have a rule, just like Josh. You can cuss me out on the court, but if you cuss me out off the court, I'm a father. I'm gonna get my damn belt. Smooth. Smooth. You think you could have played for your pops, bro? You could have played for Pete.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I was.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I was playing for him without playing when.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

What?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I was playing for him without playing for him. He used to come back to the behind that bitch. It cuts me out. So smooth.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

At the right temperature. Especially in high school, you know, aau, you know, you know, they let your parents, Especially when you cold, they let your parents kind of do a little bit, you know, do what they want to do a little bit.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, man, listen. I commend Rick Brunson, bro, because for you to be able to coach your son and Jalen Brunson, you know, for your pops to be able to coach, you think about that. I'm watching him in the finals, bro. Is he warming up? Is Jalen warming up? His dad passing on the rock? Come on, Jeremy, man, this stuff we only dream of. You know what I mean?

[Jeremy Pargo]

Yeah. And it's dope that the dynamic is what it is. You can cuss me out on the court, but off the court, I'm still your father. Like, I think because Rick played, he's bright enough to understand when and where to press and when to let up.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Hella dynamic.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I commend Jalen more than anything because as fathers, you wanna. That is a dream of ours. To be able to coach our kids one day and then to be able to allow us to be able to do it. But I commend the son because for him to be able to be willing to embrace it and understand that his dad is gonna wear multiple hats for him in his life, for him to be able to know which hat he's putting on at that particular moment and for him to be able to appreciate that is big. Because, you know, if you, me and Ta was having this conversation it was. And I think a lot of us had these kind of issues when it comes to our sons, when we want to teach them and talk to them, we basically telling them we have the answer to the test, but it's like they want to fail the test a little bit to see if you got the answers.

[Jeremy Pargo]

For real.

[Narrator/Announcer]

For real.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

You know what I mean? I commend the son for, like, more so than the dad, you know, the dad is living out his dream because every dad will be willing and wants his son to be able to understand what they trying to show him, you know what I'm saying? Instead of them taking it personal, you know what I mean?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, man. I mean, that Knicks run not only goes down in history, but, you know, Jalen Brunson, Rick Brunson, that relationship, bro, I mean, they got. That's forever now, you know? I mean, they won in New York, Jeremy. Come on. Now we know what. We know what we've always talked about, you know, we always know New York is a mecca of basketball. They hadn't won in some odd years. You win in New York, man. Come on, man. What are they gonna put that man's statue at?

[Jeremy Pargo]

It's coming soon. He might put it

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

society, too. Always wants to once, Once.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Even.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Even in this AAU space that I'm in, they guys are intimidated to talk to the father. They love to see the woman come around the corner with no dad, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah, they run a little game on her.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

On the man. Man, they flipping and dipping her. They love to see her come around the corner. They tell her sweet, but a lot. You know what I'm saying? Meanwhile, the dad, you gotta be able to kind of shoot. Shoot them straight, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Well, the dad can see through the bs.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Absolutely. So. But, you know, but when they do call it, call the BSI for what it is now, the daddy is crazy. Or deal with him, man. He be this, that, and the third. Nah, man, this man is. This man's a straight shooter, and he wants, he wants the best for his son.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, smooth. I, I totally agree with you. I look at the AJ Debaska situation, you know, his pops and his mom are right there, full circle, taking care of things, taking care of everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And keep the leeches away now.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Absolutely.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You know, I, I smooth. I may not see all of them, Jeremy, you know what I mean? But I'm gonna catch a few.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Few.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I'm gonna catch a few, but damn, if you can help me out, you know?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Hey, yeah.

[Carlos]

Cause you need.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I'm telling. I'm just keeping it 100, bro. I'm just keeping it 100. It's. It's a difficult. It's a difficult, huh?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I mean, people used to pull up on me. I used to give my dad number. You know what I'm saying? They used to come at.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Man, man, what's up, man?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Let me holla at you, man. Boop, get my dead number. Okay, I got you, Boop. Send him my dead number. I sent him right down the street.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, think about this now, though. German smooth. Hell, now we ain't got to do nothing. I'm just gonna slide in and butter dms. Hey, hey, hey, young man, listen, if y' all don't think that ain't going on, y' all tripping.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, that's. Oh, that's going on to the tempo, man.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Jeremy, you don't think that's going on, bro?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Hey, you gotta check all the dms. Tick tock.

[Jeremy Pargo]

I think right now they got. They got the right buffers around them. They got the right buffers. Like you were saying, AJ debasing with his family, that them kids can't even get to him. And AJ is such a different, different kid. I don't. I don't know him. But from hearing him speak and. And understanding his demeanor, I think he's in the right. Right headspace, right mind.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

That's. That's the biggest key, bro.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Exactly. You know what I'm saying? And that's. That's why I love some of these young kids that got that mindset of understanding what it is and where they are. And I am one of the ones that.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I ain't gonna say a lot. I think like the top five or tops, most of the top picks of this year's draft have a strong, you know, forefront when it comes to the parents. You know what I'm saying? Caleb Wilson, his parents are.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yep.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

His life. And they. They, you know, they locked in. You got the boozers, then you got a Darren Peterson. And also, like you said. We just said aj, the banter, all those guys. Mikhail Brown, it looked like acuff parents is solid and connected around him. So all these guys that. That are being successful in this space, it looks like it's coming from a two parent household or if it's not, they're allowed. The mom is allowing the father to be present.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Right. And it looks like they all great kids. And for me, for a guy who really enjoys watching the game, playing the Game. I mean, still to this day, live and breathe it. Like, I like seeing cats, bro, who really enjoy playing the game.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

AJ Love playing the game. Caleb love playing the game. Dan Peterson loves playing booze. Loves playing acuff. Like, I, I, I like to see that part, you know what I mean? Because the passion that you have for the game, bro, you can't hide that. You know, either you. Either you enjoy playing or you don't. And all them dudes, I mean, they all been having a microphone in they face for the past probably four or five years. And it's gonna be all the way through the pros. And we've seen these guys work since they was in junior high school. So it's a good group. It's a good group. Good group. Hey, Jimmy Butler had a big reaction to this magic trick chat. Watch this. I do not play with snakes.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I'm with the wrong one. I swear to God.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Smooth. You mess with snakes, bro.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, I got one.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You got a snake?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, I got one, man.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

What kind of snake you got?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

A little python.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

How big is he?

[Jeremy Pargo]

She.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

She big, man. She pretty big. It's a big one. It's not maybe like this. This dig around and it's big, though.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

It's a nice. How long. How long you had it?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

About four years. I had it when it was that size. It was.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I bet you can't go. Go tell Jed to bring it in. You can't get Jet to bring it on camera.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

You want me to get it? I'll go get it. You want me get it?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, go get it. Go get it. Go get it. Go get it.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Go get it, man.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

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[Jeremy Pargo]

That snake shot you. You got a snake?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Jeremy. Jeremy, listen to me. Jeremy, boy, it's a couple things I don't play with, okay? I'm glad he told me, guys. I was just over the man's house the other day. I bet I don't go over there no damn more. Listen, look, man, I don't play with snakes and I don't play with spiders, bro. I'm sorry. Chat them two things, boy. If you want to see your boy act a fool, you hear me? I'm getting on down, man. I don't play by no Jeremy. You mess with snakes and stuff, bro.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Hey, hey.

[Jeremy Pargo]

I watch a lot of snake stuff on.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I gotta get off this thing.

[Jeremy Pargo]

She.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

She done. She done sweared herself up. Cause she trying to. She probably was sleep.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, but look.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

You see it right here.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Damn, I'm finna. Oh, no, Smooth. I'm Fine.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Look, I'm trying.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Oh, look, I'm trying to get her to come out. Look, I'm trying to get it to come out. You see how big she is?

[Narrator/Announcer]

Up.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Damn.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

She done swelled up in the dang. In the dang thing.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I'm saying. Smooth. How long you had that?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Like four, five years to overcome my fear of snakes, I bought a snake.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, hell, no. I don't know what they do that at. Oh, no, sir. Hey, I'm glad you told me you had one, boy. Hey, you had to meet me?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah. Sir. Look, I'm gonna let her come out. I'm gonna leave her alone so she can come out.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, my God.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

She gonna come out in a minute.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Jeremy, you got biggest fear. What's your biggest fears, bro?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

The animals.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Yeah, I don't do large animals, man. I don't know. They might have a bad day. I don't do horses. I don't do none of that. They might have had a bad day. You never know. They ain't gonna take it out on me, I'll tell you that.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, hey, Smooth, come on.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You ain't got no fear of no animals, bro? No rodents or nothing?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

No. Them big cats, though, you know what I mean? Them lions and them tigers, all that going in the cage with them and all that stuff? I'm cool on that, though.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, no, sir. Rebound.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I ain't playing with my life like

[Host/Lead Commentator]

how this man got a whole snake over there and I ain't even know when I was over there. Well, I would not have came in that house. I'm glad I know now, though. Oh, I'm glad I know now. Damn. I'm saying, Smooth. The kids play with it and all that.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, actually. Yeah, my. My seven year old Drew, he played with it the most. He think it's so cool to go in there and pull it out by itself. He think he's the brave. Is he? Just want to show people he brave.

[Jeremy Pargo]

No.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah. Hey, man. Trying to see what's going on. Look, her head. I came out. You see it?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, sir.

[Jeremy Pargo]

She ain't hungry, is she?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Oh, you don't know? No, I mean, I fed her. What? Last week.

[Carlos]

She.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

She ain't hungry now. She ain't hungry.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Make sure she don't.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Hey, look, she might.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I mean.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, hey. My oldest.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

It's a snake, bro. I remember we had a. We had a conversation about. We was in Houston and Dwight had. Dwight had a snake and he was trying to. He was trying to Prove it to everybody that a snake is better than a dog. And like, people was arguing like, man, get the hell on. Like. So James was like, man, you can't tell a snake. Like, hey, man, get the hell on. Like, stop. No.

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[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

You know what I'm saying? So he was like, yeah, nah, you can't. But it's still the best. It's still the best animal. Then, like, the next day, he had a snake, took it out the cage and bit him. He couldn't practice. He had to mispractice because the snake bit him, man.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

My oldest, Gavin, he asked me about two years ago. He was like, pop, man, I want a snake for my birthday. You gonna have to get the hell up out of here. Ain't nowhere in hell no snake standing here, man.

[Narrator/Announcer]

What,

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

she finna Come on out now.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Come on.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, no. I can't do it, man. I can't do. I'm sorry. Smooth. I ain't know that, bro. I ain't know you rolling like that, partner. Yeah, man, I was slipping.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, a little snake hood.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, check this out. You say what? What's her name?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Hennessy.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hennessy. Hennessy.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

You see her?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, no, sir.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, she trying to come holler at me. She trying to get off. She's trying to get out of it now.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, come on. Oh, no, sir.

[Jeremy Pargo]

She know what you saying. She don't know what you saying.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, I'm trying to tell you.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

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[TA (Tony Allen)]

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[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no, sir. Why are you glad? I know you got that now. I'm here to help.

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[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey hey chat chat. Let's take a listen let's take a listen to TA

[TA (Tony Allen)]

but just think about it. Any team you put LeBron on we can make any scenario when they play let's just say OKC. Do you think LeBron starting out the game on KD to risk picking up two fouls? No he's gonna stick self lotion so you got 41 minutes of sticking self lotion game get tight late down the stretch in the last 23 minutes you get a chase down block here and there then now you get to win now you just our first team ball defense. I disagree cause T I disagree I

[Host/Lead Commentator]

disag chase down blocks.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I disagree I disagree. Me on the other hand hey it's all right Ta we gonna need you to come through on this one. You got can't let him get his average and he end up with 40. I get a few more episodes of that I'm gonna be in the G league. You see what I'M saying that was my job. That was my title. That's what I had to do. That's how I played 14 years. It wasn't cause I had a cold crossover. You saw me smoke all the layups.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

Yep.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

But guess what?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I bring you not getting your average to the table every night.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

Let's read some comments.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah. Oh, I've been getting them too.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Come on. Disagreeing. I wasn't hating, man. I was just saying he not a better defender.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Smooth. What you. What you think about. What you think about what Ta said, bro? You. I'm saying, like, what was the question? So listen, so here it is. So look, I ain't saying

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

LeBron or what was it? What was the question?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Nah, he's saying. He's saying Braun ain't no lockdown defender. He's saying that, you know, when games start off, Braun, it ain't like Braun guarding KD for the whole game. It may put somebody else. He may put. They may put Braun on self lotion so he don't pick up two fouls early. But then in the last seconds of the game in the fourth quarter, Braun get a chase down block or something. He get a stop. He's saying that ain't like, you know, that ain't first team. That ain't like. You know what I'm saying?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

What do you think, bro? I got snubbed a lot of times on the defensive team, so. I don't know, man.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yo. Hey, hey, hey. But I think I. I think got

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

snubbed a whole lot.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, you did, bro.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

But did he ever guard? Did who? When we played. When we played it, who guarded you?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Well, you know, he never. To start the games off. He never guarded me. But Smooth, that's kind of understood, bro.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

That's understood. That's understandable because we can't. I can't guard it. I mean, he's making. He's making sense out of. He making sense out of it, you

[Host/Lead Commentator]

know what I'm saying, bro, When I was a rookie, Smooth. And I'm playing with Antoine Walker and Paul Pierce. Paul Pierce third in the league in scoring at 27, 28 a game, right? He the starting three. I'm the starting two. Listen, we playing against T, Mac, Vince Carter, Ray Allen. I got all these dudes for the first three quarters, bro. That's what it was. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah.

[Carlos]

Yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

That was me too, though. You know, that was me. I had to, you know, I had to guard pretty much every position that Was. That was cold. So, yeah, I mean, I get what he's saying. I get what he's saying, but that doesn't mean that he's not a great defender, though. You know what I mean, bro, they don't mean that. He just. That means that he has more value than a person just playing defense, respectful.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

You know what I'm saying? Like, we can. We can, we can. We can bank on you. Like, it's okay for you to file out, but we can't.

[Narrator/Announcer]

We.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

This. This dude can't foul out.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Right? Right.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Not LeBron James. You get what I'm saying?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But, but, but, but in. In NTA's defense, I understand what he's saying. Cause there are times when you start off the game, hell, you don't got no choice. When we played against the Miami Heat and D. Wade, I ain't got no choice. Me and D. Wade got to guard each other the whole damn game.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You know what I'm saying? That's just what it was. So I see what Ta saying, but I. I think LeBron is above average defender, bro. He. I mean, smooth. He. 2008, 2009, he finished second defensive player of the year behind Dwight Howard. 2012, 2013, he finished second behind Mark Gasol. I think this really would have come down to smooth. You want me to keep it real with Ta and Brian, you know, obviously, Ta playing with the Celtics, you know what I'm saying? That little rivalry they had against Cleveland when he was in Braun, even in Miami, but not on top of that, Maybe even some of the things that Braun may have said about Memphis, you know, how Ta, Ta and Zebo out the mud, they ate them boys. Memphis to their die. Hear me?

[Jeremy Pargo]

Yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Facts.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Big facts, you know what I'm saying? So it can be stemming from a lot of different things, bro. You never know. But when I think about it, I'm like, hold on. Th is out here wilding. He must be.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

We gotta do a wellness check on them black trucks ain't pull up on them.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

He.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

He must be over there. He must be on that indica, too, or something. I don't know what he got going.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

He ain't on that instigate. He on there. He on that crush, man, please.

[Jeremy Pargo]

Yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

You know that gas ain't gonna have you talking like that, man. Family.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I just think, huh?

[Carlos]

What it do?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Oh, there you go.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, what's happening?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

What's happening?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

What's up, baby? Hey, what you got going, man?

[Carlos]

Slow motion. Tell me something.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, man, listen. Hey, me, my old boy, Smooth Josh Smith. You feel me? We,

[Carlos]

first of all, man, with some real great ATL legends.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hello. Hey, we appreciate you.

[Carlos]

As soon as they called me. As soon as they called me. Said what? I said, what?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Is nothing.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, we appreciate you. We appreciate your time, bro. We appreciate. Hey, what you got going, man?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

What's.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

What's new with you guys? Any movies, comedy shows? What you got going, man?

[Carlos]

We working right now. I'm going back on tour. You dig what I'm saying? If it go crazy, we got some short verticals finna pop off. You dig what I'm saying? So we got some more music finna pop off. You dig what I'm saying?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[Carlos]

Hey, man, I'm on that. Hey, og.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Hey.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey. You don't never stop working, do you, man?

[Carlos]

No, I don't even know how to do that. I'm really trying to fit. I'm trying to put sleep into my schedule.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, man, I. I love seeing you on Wilding Out. I love seeing what you doing with 85 South. You Carlos, Chico, bro.

[Carlos]

Yes, sir.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, hey, you boys some real fools over there, man. We appreciate everything y' all do, bro.

[Carlos]

We really do appreciate it, man. We've been watching y' all sure for, man, since we were jits, and just, you know, I mean, it's just an honor. Just every time I see you at the. At the arena, you feel what I'm saying, I always show love. Cause I remember the times when I used to come down there and watch y'.

[Announcer/Promoter]

All.

[Carlos]

I remember the time I used to come down there and watch you, John. You feel what I'm saying? So just knowing y' all and you feel, and I' ma still be real, your dunk contest still the best one. You hear me?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Sir, Family.

[Carlos]

Yes, sir.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Appreciate yourself. I remember I took my daughter, bro, to the halls game. Smooth. It was about a year, year and a half ago, and I walk in there, I see DCO fly, TI2 chain. I said, damn, Did y' all get out the same car?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Hey, listen, welcome to Atlanta. Action.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, my daughter, like, so rich.

[Carlos]

I got a question for y'.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

All.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Like, what's up?

[Carlos]

Now that you see how the city is embracing the Hawks, bro, Do you remember a time when people was coming to come see the house? Like, has there ever been a time where folk were really were just pulling up? Like, I remember probably when Dominique were playing, but, like, it was an error. When

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I hear they were kind of pulling up for the other. What names?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, hey, after about. I ain't gonna lie to you, dc, after it took us about three years I got here. The first two years were. They were brutal. I ain't gonna lie to you. Yeah, they were brutal.

[Carlos]

After that picked up when you came. First off, Josh, when you came, it gave super excitement, like we was.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

We had nothing. Hey, that one thing.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

That's facts though, bitch. Hey, that's one thing I love about growing up. Growing up, man. You know, man, the town went then the Hawks boy, Nathaniel boy.

[Carlos]

And the crazy part about it, we want to chill for him like we want a chill. You feel what I'm saying? So just seeing the energy now, like in the arena, bro, they like. Hell yeah.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, look, that's all. That's. That's how I always. That's how I always envisioned it, bro. You know, when I came here, like, the city jumping too hard, bro. It's a capital entertainment. It's like you have so many guys coming out. You know what I mean?

[Carlos]

Right.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

I just felt like excellence, man.

[Carlos]

It's wide open for somebody to come over here and take over.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, so speaking of that, dc, what you think about the Hogs, bro? What our chances look like considering the fact now we know the close out game. Hey, hey, the closeout game was ugly. We know that. We leave that alone, we ain't even gotta go.

[Carlos]

Come on, J.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, hey, but listen, but listen, but listen. Look how the Knicks did every damn body else.

[Carlos]

Okay, but look, I do say that we gave the Knicks they energy. They umph.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[Carlos]

In the kick ass.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[Carlos]

Ever since them two wins, we got them boys turned up and did not. They did. You dig what I'm saying? I'm gonna be real, bro. I like to be. I. I feel like we need a real solid. I want to say big man, because we got some big man. I only want to say we need a Dennis Rodman show.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah. You saying. Yeah, we need somebody to wipe that glass.

[Carlos]

We need somebody to go get the third chance shots because the Hawks we good off our first chance chance shot.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

After that, if we miss, it's a rap.

[Carlos]

It's a rap. It's a rap.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, listen, I think. I think the Hawks in good hands, bro. I think it's gonna be a. I

[Carlos]

think it'll be super good now.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah. It's gonna be even better. Hey, look, look, look. Hey, look. When me and you was there, you know, we was all me, you, two chains and TI. Two chains. Already he been had. You know, his season tickets. We talking about. Hey, hey, hey. We talking about season tickets, right? Smooth. So look, yeah, after we got through talking about season tickets, I look up DC got him a damn job in there. He like, hey, I'm good.

[Carlos]

I'm trying to cut them season tickets in half.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, I feel, bro. Hey, you know what?

[Narrator/Announcer]

The city.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You know, the city love you, bro. They embrace you. You know what I mean? Especially when you do the halftime things, when you interview people.

[Carlos]

Yes, sir.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

If I'm keeping it real, dc, when we did that interview about that was last season, when we did that interview at the Hawks, everything kind of changed, bro. People started hitting me after that as far as trying to get. Trying to do different things. I hadn't done a lot of interviews and things like that. You know what I mean? Right, Right. I want to appreciate you, bro. I want to appreciate you for that opportunity.

[Carlos]

My dude, oh, man, he love, man. And, you know, that's what our platforms is for, bro. You fear me to just. Just cross branding and show another side of people. You feel what I'm saying? Like, we. We ain't got to go talk to the other side. You feel me? We can go talk to our people. And when we had these type of conversation, bro, like, you got. You also got to understand people don't be understanding that we really tight. We really cool. So when they see us kicking in, when they see us having these conversations and they get to hear our intellect, they like, oh, that's who these folk really is. Okay.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[Carlos]

Oh, it made me respect their game way more, you feel? So anytime, og. Anytime.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. We. You know what? Me and. Me and Smooth might have to pull up over there on you and Carlos and Chico, man. Y', all. What you say?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Smooth.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Gotta go 85.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, and my boy Nav over there, too. My boy now.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, that's my guy right there. That's my dog.

[Jeremy Pargo]

For real.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

That my Potter Potter right there.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

Yeah.

[Carlos]

Yeah.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, man.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Hey.

[Carlos]

Hey.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Last time I talked to you, too, I know. You were telling me about that knee, man. You get that knee fixed.

[Carlos]

Hey, man, the meniscus is all the way good. We back. We back in the gym. We back playing golf. I bowl, y'.

[Jeremy Pargo]

All.

[Carlos]

Boy bow.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah.

[Carlos]

What's your high?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

What you say? What's my high? Yeah, you know, you catch me on a good day, DC. I bowl like a. I bow like a 220 or something. Two.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Two.

[Carlos]

That cool.

[Jeremy Pargo]

I like that.

[Advertiser/Promoter]

That cool.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

That's nice.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

What about you? You you like that?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Like that?

[Carlos]

Oh, I got 279.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, man.

[Announcer/Promoter]

Come on, bro.

[Carlos]

Yeah, I'm trying. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to get that 300, man. That my goal.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, man, you. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Smooth. He won them. Dude, you don't want to go bowling with him, bro.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Oh, he got six bowling. Oh, he. Okay,

[Host/Lead Commentator]

hold on. So you in bowling leagues and depends

[Carlos]

on how the lane is. I gotta adjust, man. You feel me?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, yeah. I like the old school.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

And y' all was a hell of a team, bro. Hell of a team. Boy. Boy, y', all.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Hey, hey.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I know we won seven games. And with y' all and y' all end up winning after we took y' all seven, Cleveland took them seven, and then y' all won it in less than six. So, you know, we kind of hang our head on that, bro.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

We.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

We.

[Narrator/Announcer]

We.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

We have a chance in Boston, but in the A, y' all, let me, sir.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I'm already know. I'm already know. Hey, I'm still. Hey, I'm still. I'm still mad at you, though, bro. You ain't had to do my man Leon Poe like that, man.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, hit him with. Oh, man. Hey, T A, T, A, T A. You know, it ain't personal. It's just business, baby. You already know it.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

You know what I'm saying? Every time I look at that. But I say he just had. Came off of two ACL surgeries. Killer tried to send him back to.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, yeah. You built your reputation in the NBA by locking people up. If you had to pick one player, bro, in NBA history that you wish you got a chance to guard, tell me, who would it be?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I don't want to be so cliche.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

And Mike.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Yeah, I was gonna say. I was thinking Mike.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I'm talking about that 92 mike. That 93 mike.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Yeah, I'm talking about that one. Not the one when he came back and he took the time off talking about that early on, Mike, when he was doing all this shit. Oh, yeah.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah. Ta.

[Carlos]

You want.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You want some of that smoke?

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I would have loved. Cause, I mean, I think I would have pretty much stuck him a lot like I stuck cold. See, what cold a lot of people don't know is I never let him go right. You know what I'm saying?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You ain't going right on me, bro.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Cause if you go right, you might throw it on my head. But if you go left, I know if you go left, you ain't stuck with nothing but that pump, faking that step back or whatever.

[Narrator/Announcer]

You see what I'm saying?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Gotta stay down.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

And if you. If you taking off like this on this with that left hand, I might bump you a little bit and contest with my right Josh. But what I'm saying is, bro, back then, he. He gave you a little more. He was too exciting back then for the game, and I think I would have loved it. You know what I'm saying? Lock up with that excitement.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah, I feel. Yo, hey, smooth. If you had a chance. I know you. You know, when you play, you let your man get by you. Cause you know it's just some things you can't teach and elite athleticism. I'm like, damn, man, why you letting that man beat you? So I'm gonna meet him at the rim. Oh, that was.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

That was purpose.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yeah, it was on purpose, man. Dunk on me. Sometimes I wanna see. I wanna see what your athleticism talking about. Yeah.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Oh, that is a skill, huh?

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

It's a skill. You gotta let him feel like. Sometimes you gotta let him feel like he got it. He got you.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Let him get a step on you a little bit, and then you just gotta go and meet him.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah, you want. You. You a super elite at that ata. Now we gonna go and get to the little elephant that's in the room. You know, you've been in the headlines lately. You know, by what you said about LeBron, about he's an overrated defender. We trying to see, man, me the chat smooth. We want, we want. We wanna know what's up.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Hey, so look, let me get this clear, bro.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hold on.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

So let me show you how this started out. Cause, you know, we in the world of clip. What they call clip farming.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

That right?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got you.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

Yes, sir.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

So let me give you a day of Tony Allen, man. I do a. I do a local show called Chris Vernon Show. I'm a guest on there, and it's our grand city media team for the Grizzlies. And I. I attend that podcast every Tuesday. So when I'm coming in, I guess the list had already came out. I'm not too Internet savvy. I. I come up and I came in 04. We went. We ain't had Instagram back then, so I ain't. I ain't too savvy. Make a long story short, they asked me, do I want to comment on this list? I'm saying, yeah, I'll comment on this.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

They say, well, you're not.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

You might not Be happy because where you ranked? So they go through the list, and I'm going through the list. And as you could tell, I was giving people props, like Brian Artense. Like, yo, he should be way higher. I'm like, Dennis Rodman. Yeah. He should be number one. Or like Gary Payton. He should be like, I'm giving everybody props. So this one coming from no hating type of vibe. What I was saying was. And it's really just barbershop talk, really.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I thought that once they got that low into the list, I'm like, damn, where I'm at number 50 or something. That's how I'm thinking in my mind.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

And so then Braun came up, and I'm like, hold on, bro. That man got 40,000 points. Then, look, last about two weeks ago, he going to air. He been shooting at Memphis for a long time.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

That.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Let's bring the whole elephant out.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Call it what it is.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

He been shooting at Memphis the whole time.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Right.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

As far as players that come in town, you ain't really trying to kick it in Memphis. Cool. You might want to go get something to eat. But you got to get your sleep and get ready for the groundhouse, you feel me? That's how it was back in the day.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

It just ain't that. So now you gonna kill our city on the golf course. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Not only that, you gonna come at my brother and say his award should have been yours. No, I gotta say something now.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Cause the list right here in front

[TA (Tony Allen)]

of my face is on point now. Cause I could have said something when I saw it podcast.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

So I took it in the room.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

I said, hold on. Let's be clear. We both on the same amount of teams. Every team he made, I made.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

So you ain't talking to no local

[Host/Lead Commentator]

joker now, Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

So I just felt like, all right, with my job every day, what I gotta do, man, to come to this court, man, if I don't come here and make it difficult for the opponent score, they gonna be looking at T.A. like, what's your value?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Right, right.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

But my value in that era of basketball was at the point was, don't let them get their average ta. That's gonna help our ball club.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hello.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

And so if I gotta do that night in, night out, at limited minutes, he on the court for damn near 46 minutes. You mean to tell me if you gotta play defense every minute, you on the second to a guy that can gonna play it occasionally. Can I do it better, brother?

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Well, TA TA TA we not negating the fact that you do it better. We think you do do it better. But the thing is, LeBron has to do. He has so many damn jobs on the court. Okay? He gotta score the ball. Smooth. I gotta assist the ball. Damn. I gotta rebound the ball. Hell, I'm leading the team in steals. On top of all that, I gotta defend the number one guy the entire game. That's not possible. He can't exert all that energy and tend to these other jobs.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

But you know what? But guess what? I. I'm. I'm stepping it. But guess what? I gotta do that. And if I don't do that, hey, I'm gonna be playing for the Hour Bulldogs and the G League.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hey, hey, hey. And that's understood. Cause it's like, damn, TA ain't tolding all them damn jobs. But if TA lock in defensively and that's all you doing all night.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

You gonna be better than him in that. There's no question. You saying he was hiding you on the list? Had me on the list.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

And I said. And I couldn't believe it. Cause I'm like, damn. Hold on, man. LeBron just greedy. He won all the awards, man.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Ta when he done ta, he gonna have them all. He gonna have them all, TA.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

And one thing I can't say. Cause I locked up with LeBron too. Like that that time he left Cleveland. That was my assignment.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Imagine. I'm not comparing myself to him. He averaged 28, 7 and 7. Let's be clear.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Hello.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

But what I'm saying was, few deflections here and there in key moments. Q Stills. Few still there in key moments. Couple contested shots where I know he.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

He.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

He stretched out by my contest. That's my defense, bro. And not only that, I. And no respect to. No disrespect to any guy that didn't average over a dub when I was playing. But if you didn't average a dub nine times ten, I wasn't sticking you. You feel me? That's a fact. I ain't out here just bumping my gun, saying no out the mud moment. Hey, man, this is really me on the barbershop. And I'm pretty sure Brian will laugh about this. And Smooth.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Hey, Smooth. Don't you. Don't you be insinuating them black trucks pulling up.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

I'm running, man.

[Smooth (Josh Smith)]

You know I care about you, man. I just want to do a. Well, just Check of a dog.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

But think about this. Damn. You don't think Braun got no valid point, bro. He was first team all defense that year. Marcus all won defensive player of the year. Marcus all was second team team. He ain't got no. He got a. Come on, now.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Hey, now listen. All right? So now listen, right? I don't know why I finished up and voting, but we talk about our. We talk about our peers. We talk about our peers. Yeah, man, everybody in their mama, they saw me that summer, said, bro, damn, we thought you were gonna get that award, bro. And get what my boy big Mark do. He go win the ring and put green grind on the ring ring. But he know, he said, hey, man, I ain't giving you my award. But I. I snap was on the ring. I said, so now Brian ain't finna come up. That's really me and Mark award.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you saying if you didn't get it, hell, as long as one of your teammates got you cool in the game. Yeah. Hey, man, y' all had some hell of a. Y' all has a hell of a hell of a squad for the Memphis Grizzlies, bro, You know. Hey, man, we appreciate you for stopping by, bro. I'm gonna have to come sit down with you and my boy, Z Bo, man, you know. Hey, I got some real stories with me and Z boy.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Yeah. Hey, man, hey, listen, we want both of you brothers on there, man. I had to come up here, man. Do the.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Do the.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

Do the. Hey, the podcast so I can set the. Pick a roll for out the mud man. Hello, everybody. Man. Follow out the mud man. And y' all keep doing y' all thing.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Family night cap already.

[TA (Tony Allen)]

All right.

[Host/Lead Commentator]

Ta appreciate you, brother.

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[TA (Tony Allen)]

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season is heating up. The most competitive basketball league on earth is on CBS this Sunday. The two best teams go head to head as coach Nancy Lieberman and Greg Monroe's Dallas Power take on the 1 seed Chicago Triplets led by coach Dr. J and captain Montrez Harrell. Then coach Gary Payton and the Boston Ball Hogs battle Nassir Corps and the Detroit Amps in a must win game for Boston. The game played the way you love. Watch live Sunday, August 19th 9th on CBS at 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific and catch replays Monday on BET presented by iHeart.

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This episode is supported by FX's the Shards, a seductive drama from executive producer Ryan Murphy. Set in 1980s Los Angeles, the series follows a group of glamorous, deeply entangled high school seniors drawn into a life of wealth, beauty, parties and excess. At its center is Brett, whose reality begins to unravel when the arrival of a new student coincides with a series of mysterious murders. FX's the Shards premieres August 5th on FX and Hulu.