Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Brandon Aiyuk Breaks Silence + Denzel Ward Wants To Stay in Cleveland

Summary

Nightcap Podcast Summary

Episode: Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Brandon Aiyuk Breaks Silence + Denzel Ward Wants To Stay in Cleveland
Air Date: June 8, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap dives deep into NFL player movements and controversies with Deebo and Joe at the helm. They break down Denzel Ward's situation with the Cleveland Browns, Brandon Aiyuk’s viral “belt” video and standoff with the 49ers, modern linebacker identity crises, and the league’s obsession with the “tush push” QB sneak. The episode balances humorous, unfiltered banter with sharp football analysis and a few poignant moments about mental health and team leadership.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Denzel Ward’s Future with the Browns

[03:11 – 09:00]

• Ward’s Contract and Commitment:

  • Denzel Ward says he definitely wants to stay with the Browns, but Deebo questions whether the organization truly reciprocates, noting Ward is nearing 30 and has “two years left on that hundred million dollar deal, okay? With no guaranteed money left.” (Debo, 04:42)
  • Discussion about how organizations tend to move on from veteran corners nearing 30—paralleling Joe's own experience.

• The Business Side:

  • Joe explains the Browns' likely perspective: “He’s getting $20 million per year for the next two years... Denzel’s not going to be out here just trying to make up, stir up any noise in the media. That’s not the kind of guy he is. All he’s going to go do is go out there and ball.” (Joe, 06:14)
  • Agreement that Ward’s best move is to “stay cool, stay culture, keep it all smooth” and maintain his value whether with the Browns or another team.

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2. Browns Defensive Reboot & Historic Pairings

[09:37 – 12:19]

• Back-to-Back Rookie DPOYs:
  • Discussion on how the Browns, in the post-Myles Garrett era, now have back-to-back Defensive Rookie of the Year winners (Jared Verse and Carson Schlesinger).
  • Deebo highlights the rarity and significance: “You guys are making history... They created the award in '67... closest scenario came in 1980.” (Debo, 10:00)
  • Joe is cautiously optimistic about the long-term plan, understanding fans shouldn’t expect instant results but pointing out the defense has to “create more turnovers” and shore up their run defense.

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3. Linebacker Play & Defensive Communication

[12:19 – 16:13]

• Concerns Over Defensive Soundness:
  • Deebo is skeptical of statements like, “I can play freely because I don’t have to worry if something gets behind me,” saying, “This sounds like a recipe for disaster... It might be some Browning coming on over here in the season.” (Debo, 13:06)
  • Joe argues for staying disciplined: “We need to be gap scheme appropriate.” (Joe, 15:05)

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4. Brandon Aiyuk’s Social Media Tirade

[15:31 – 17:46]

• “Stop Running from the Belt” Video:
  • Brandon Aiyuk goes off on the 49ers in a viral clip, calling them “little ass boys” and “running from the belt.”
  • Hosts break it down with mockery and exasperation:
    • “Stop running from the belt. The belt coming. You scared?” (Joe, 17:02)
    • “Is it guaranteed money on the line or something? Like, I don’t...I don’t know what’s going on.” (Debo, 21:54)

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5. Handling Your NFL Business

[21:54 – 27:41]

• Lessons from Aiyuk's Situation:
  • Joe lays out the business side: “You signed a contract, four years, 120 million...I would just want you to not miss out on this blessing… It’ll just be a sad story.”
  • Deebo stresses humility and professionalism: “You’re an employee. Just because you’re in a higher profile...It don’t mean a damn thing, dude. You still work for this company.” (Debo, 27:14)
  • Warnings about conduct detrimental and the harsh realities of crossing NFL front offices.

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6. Dolphins’ Tush Push Obsession

[28:04 – 33:37]

• Miami Head Coach’s Comments:
  • Jeff Hafley wants his Dolphins to master the “tush push”—both offensively and defensively.
  • Both hosts dismiss the over-emphasis, with Deebo saying it’s “not rocket science...Put your hand into the ground, get lower than them and then have more power” (Debo, 29:16)
  • Joe suggests reviewing each “tush push” for fairness, arguing “if they’re doing it all at the same time, all be fair, then it’s more 50–50.” (Joe, 31:03)

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7. Modern Linebackers & Steelers’ Defensive Identity

[34:01 – 46:50]

• Is There a Disconnect from the Old “Blitzburgh” Mentality?

  • Deebo and Joe lament that rule changes make it hard for linebackers to emulate “old school” physicality:
    • “Linebackers don’t play like they used to...You gotta hit so low to not take a chance of hitting somebody in their helmet... I call it dirty.” (Debo, 34:30)
    • Personal stories about warning receivers for low hits vs. paying fines for higher, more physical (now-illegal) hits.

• How to Regain Defensive Identity:

  • Both agree: fresh coaching, discipline, and communication are crucial.
    • “Identity is going to be happening when our defense doesn’t have mistakes all over the place.” (Joe, 46:02)

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8. Mental Health Shoutout & Faith

[46:57 – 49:35]

• Listener Superchat – Remembering Eric Brown II:
  • A $50 superchat memorializes a young listener lost to suicide.
  • Deebo takes a brief reflective turn:
    • “My life has been greater...since I accepted my Lord and savior... I think what we need more of is more faith, more God.” (Debo, 48:03)
  • Joe: “God puts us to kindness, generosity, understanding... Knowing life is bigger than you.” (Joe, 49:35)

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9. Rapid Fire: Superchats & NBA Talk

[50:06 – 54:31]

• Listeners ask about Steelers’ future leadership (best answer: “communication”), draftee QBs, and requests to bring Joe Burrow on the show (hosts joke that it’s “not tampering”).
• Banter over possibly recording an episode live after a New York Knicks playoff win:
  • “Debo and Joe outside in the chaos of New York Knick fans... You scared, Joe?” (Debo, 41:07)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Business of Football:

  “You can’t trust nothing that you know...Because stuff could be happening on the sidelines.”
  —Joe (09:12)

• On Team Identity:

  “We got a whole nother coaching staff...hopefully...they’ll be able to instill into these players...what it is that they’re about, it should definitely help give us a better identity.”
  —Debo (45:11)

• On Aiyuk’s Rant:

  “Stop running from the belt. The belt coming. You scared?”
  —Joe (17:02)

• On “Tush Push” Hype:

  “This ain’t rocket science...Put your hand into the ground, get lower than them and then have more power as you push into them.”
  —Debo (29:16)

• Mental Health Message:

  “What we need more of is more faith, more God. That helps.”
  —Debo (49:09)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 03:11 — Denzel Ward’s contract debate begins
• 10:22 — Back-to-back DROYs for the Browns: history talk
• 13:06 — Worries about defensive play discipline
• 15:31 — Introduction and breakdown of Aiyuk’s “belt” video
• 21:54 — Hosts analyze the business and professionalism of player holdouts
• 28:04 — Miami's “tush push” obsession
• 34:01 — The evolution (or devolution) of NFL linebacker play
• 46:57 — Mental health tribute & discussion on faith
• 50:06 — Superchat rapid fire/Q&A
• 54:07 — Knicks win scenario banter and closing moments

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Tone and Style

• Straightforward, unfiltered, humorous football talk with doses of nostalgia and honesty
• Plenty of friendly ribbing and inside references (“Browning” as shorthand for Browns dysfunction, “the belt” as a running joke)
• Serious moments around mental health and faith feel genuine and heartfelt without steering the show into somber territory

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Summary Takeaway

This episode of Nightcap is classic Deebo & Joe: mixing irreverent banter (“they got muscles!”) with savvy insider football analysis. They don’t shy away from the business realities for aging stars like Ward or the career risks in Aiyuk’s outbursts, and they take a stand for discipline, communication, and faith—both on the field and off. Whether debating the merits of the “tush push” or fielding rapid-fire fan questions, the duo delivers insights with a relatable edge that keeps even non-superfans engaged.

Transcript

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[Debo]

You heard what I said, man. Look here, man. Going over here to the Browns. Cause y'. All. Y' all did this, but it was the right thing to do because you should have did it. But you shouldn't have did it because you're the Browns, and y' all don't do things right. But you did something right once. Denzel Ward definitely wants to stay with the Browns after the trade. He said, I definitely want to be here. Miles is a good friend of mine, a good teammate, but things aren't lost. Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

It's Ohio against the world. Come on, doubt us. You getting a little excited about that? See what I'm saying?

[Joe]

My bad. My bad.

[Debo]

People could doubt us, but we're going out there trying to play our best ball and bring wins to the city. I believe that either you're with us or against us. And as you see, he's not with us. Ooh, crazy trade. But, hey, that's the nature of the game. He said, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

Why you. The guy say he definitely want to be there. Why? I mean, he only. He only. He only got. He only got a couple. Couple years left or something. Like, how old is. How old is your guy, though?

[Joe]

Still, Denzel Put. Still young.

[Debo]

He's still young.

[Joe]

Yeah. Not young, but he's under 30. He, like, 20. Probably was like 29, 28, I think.

[Debo]

I'm thinking. I'm thinking like 29. Joe. I think he only got. See, listen here, Joe. Listen. You want me to tell you what really happened in here, Joe?

[Joe]

Go ahead. You tell me what you think first, and I'm gonna let you know what's going on in Brown.

[Debo]

Cause I know that man only got two years left on that hundred million dollar deal. Okay. With no guaranteed money left. Okay. Now he listening to Barry. When Barry said, ward is a big part of the team and we like him a lot. He didn't say, love him, Joe. He said, like him a lot. Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

He said he's playing at a really High level.

[Joe]

Because he is.

[Debo]

Okay. That doesn't change with this transaction. Joe. Joe, what does. What does the top corner make in the league nowadays, Joe?

[Joe]

30.

[Debo]

30. He had what? He had 20 with no guarantee? Yep. How old is he, Joe? 29.

[Joe]

29.

[Debo]

He 29. What did they do to you at 29, Joe?

[Joe]

They got me up out of there a little early. 27? 28. 28.

[Debo]

He about to be 30, I think this year. I don't know, maybe it's next April. I don't know. Either way it go these two years, he gonna be 31 at the end of it. I mean, I would give the same type of lip service, but yes, if.

[Joe]

If.

[Debo]

If what your man Barry said is truly what he means, why wouldn't he go ahead and read that man up, you know, give him some guaranteed money, make him feel good about putting his body on the line.

[Joe]

Because right now he under, you know. Cause they. He don't have to. Like you said, he's under contract for the next two years. He's a little. Getting to the older age in the in corner, and he just gotta continue to perform at a high level. He's still getting $20 million per year for the next two years. So it's still probably around two for 40. So long as Denzel Ward keeps balling, and he's not a problem. Denzel is one of those dudes where he's just staying out the way. He's going to do his job and he's not going to make a problem. If the Browns are wanting to feel like, man, okay, he's getting a little bit older. Let's see what we can try to go get for him. To each his own. Denzel's not going to be out here just trying to make up, stir up any noise in the media. That's not the kind of guy he is. All he's going to go do is go out there and ball. So with me, I'm rocking. With Denzel, he's given the same. Just staying out the way. When you got a good player, that's knowing he's where he's at in his contract, where he's at in the league, he knows that it's no point. If the Browns are going to do business, they're going to go do business no matter what. If he says he wants to stay, if he would go out there and be trying to. Red flags, keeping all the red flags out of there. You going to say what you wanted to say, be there with the Browns. You going to continue to Ball out. Because once you get to this level, once you get to your ninth year in the league at corner, all you can do is ball. You don't want to be a distraction. You don't want to be. They're finding reasons not to pay you. And once you get that contract, like you said, D Bo making $20 million a year, the youngest new dudes that are coming and making 30 stay, keep balling out to let them know if you do want to go. If the Browns don't want to pay you after these two years that you're making 20, you could still be able to ball out for another team where you can leave and start doing the revis stuff to where I'm just going to go, I'm strapping corner, and I'm going to get my services of what the highest paid corner gets PA around the league. So I'm with Denzel, just trying to stay cool, stay culture, keeping it all smooth. If they want to think that they can move and go somewhere else, you're going to go ball regardless. It's not your fault. The same way it wasn't Miles fault that the Browns aren't winning games. So you just continue to be your part. You be Denzel Ward and travel around and be a good person, be a good player. Don't make no distractions and go and ball. So I think he's doing it the perfect right way, just trying to be a team player, knowing what it is with his deal, knowing where he's at and his league and his contract and, like, how old he is. So, Denzel, kudos to you. You going to ball out for the Browns, and if they do decide to move on from you, like, they moved on from me thinking like, oh, no, he's a little bit older. Maybe I can go get younger or something like that. If you go fall on a great on another good team, you're not the reason why they weren't losing. You're going to be an asset to any squad that he goes to. So I think just continue to ball. Staying healthy for Nazelle Ward is the best thing that he could do.

[Debo]

Okay. Okay, Joe. Yeah, it is. It is, it is. But, you know, you know, we know how y' all move over there, and you know, you know, you can't. Like you said, you can't trust nothing that you know.

[Joe]

Yeah, so do you. Look, you're not you. Because stuff could be happening on the sidelines. They could be trying to. Trying to deal with themselves.

[Debo]

Hey, I didn't say it, Joe.

[Joe]

He ain't got no. But look, I did.

[Debo]

I know, I know, I know. You can't be giving out that information, man. I know you got it. I know you got it. You know what I'm saying? I think it hurts you a little bit that you know the information didn't get out there. That you knew that it was gonna happen.

[Joe]

When I told you, Joe, it was gonna happen, I told you.

[Debo]

You ain't want to listen to me. Nobody want to listen to me.

[Joe]

Nobody.

[Debo]

Nobody want to listen to me, Joe. But y' all are making history. So the historic pairing of Jared Verse and your boy Carson Browns defense in the post Miles Garrett era. So they got a 2024 Defense Player of the Year reverse the 2025 with your current linebacker that makes the Browns

[Joe]

the

[Debo]

both back to back rookie years of the year in on the same team. They created the award in 67. I guess the closest scenario came in 1980 when Atlanta Falcon seller celebrated linebackers Al Richardson and Buddy Curry they shared the AP defensive rookie of the year award. Joe.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Debo]

You guys are, you guys are making history. Joe, what do you think of this? Joe, do you like this? Do you love this? I know you love it.

[Joe]

I like it because obviously it's going to be, it's going to help our defense out in the longer run because right now when you lose Miles, you just didn't instantly get better. We got, we're building because we are going younger. We need it to be planned for the longer term. So having two back to back rookie of the years is more in the Browns plan than having Miles right now just continuing to be on this towards the latter end. But just 23 sacks being defensive player of the year and we're not really still that doesn't accumulate to wins. So I think being able to get a draft pick form being able to get Jared Verse young star that's starting to ball out defensive player of the year and then rookie, I mean rookie of the year with Carson Schlesinger, that linebacker core is building, you know what I'm saying? So you can't, you're not going to get instantly better with Miles. But at the same time when you're building two defensive player two defensive rookies of the year and you're getting draft picks with it to add to your team and these younger players are also getting better with Schlesinger, with Jared Verse. I think that you're seeing it grow. So you're, it's not. You take, you're subtracting to add eventually but that's what the Browns are at right now, you might as well. So we trying to see what's going on there and still at the same time we're not. The defense was ranked 1 in 2024 and we went to 19 last season with Miles. So let's just make sure everybody has to go out there and tighten up. We got to start creating more turnovers. We weren't getting any interceptions, you know what I'm saying? So I think that with people running our run defense, we was getting torched on the run. So also everybody else just swelling up sometimes. So I think just everything with that being said and then with Jared Verse and Carson Schlesinger being young, I think that's more in the Browns plan. So I could see how it's working for our good. Okay. Yeah.

[Debo]

Yeah. I mean that's something that, you know is definitely good thing for the Browns to have making history the right way. But I was kind of. I was kind of reading through the doc a little bit and you know me. Yeah, I listen to words

[Joe]

and what,

[Debo]

what, what what did say this Joe, what he say? He said I can play freely because I don't have to worry if something gets behind me. He's talking about linebacker Schinger. He said he's going to be able to handle that. He's going to be able to clean up everything. So no, that's the exciting factor there. Joe. Joe.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

What did this sound like to you, Joe? This sound like. To me it sounds like a recipe for disaster

[Joe]

that jumping gaps don't sound. Hey, that jumping gas.

[Debo]

I like your boy about to be out there jumping gaps, getting out the way and you know what? He gonna be making his play or trying to make plays. That ain't he is a leaving his line back and hanging open because he's the rookie of the year this year. He should be able to pick up. I might not post that, Ben, if I ain't able to make the play I should have made or couldn't have made because of what I did. Joe, this sounds like they might be Browning. Some Browning. It might be some Browning coming on over here in the season.

[Joe]

I think. No, no, no, no. I think he was just trying to say that he's able to make plays that he's not used to people making. I would definitely not. I know what you're saying, Debo. I want him to be able to. I hope we need to be gap scheme. We need to be on assignment alignment

[Debo]

and I don't have to worry jumping something behind me.

[Joe]

I heard what you said. I heard what he said. I hope. Okay, that's not. That's.

[Debo]

Yeah, he's going to be able to handle it. He's going to be able to clean up everything.

[Joe]

He's just getting, you know, side.

[Debo]

I want to make a play on that I don't end up making a play on.

[Joe]

Maybe.

[Debo]

Sound like they may be having discussions already. Hey, play.

[Joe]

Do you.

[Debo]

We gave you eight. You came in here, eight is yours. You do what you want to do. You make that play.

[Joe]

No linebacker.

[Debo]

If he cleaned it up, don't worry about nothing. He. He further back than you. He can adjust.

[Joe]

We just need.

[Debo]

No, I think you know, Joe, you know what words are. They mean things.

[Joe]

Lead it by example versus a great leader. He's gonna be gap scheme appropriate.

[Debo]

Gap scheme appropriate. Don't sound like it. That. That sound like gasket. Be doing my job. And if. If it ain't. If it don't come to me while I'm doing my job and it goes to him, he's going to make the play. He didn't say that.

[Joe]

You just be trying to break down in your way. How you want to put it. And I know. I know what he meant. I know what he meant. So I know what he meant.

[Debo]

You know what he. Joe, use it. Oh, man. That's how you know. When the Browns fan and you come out, your boy. Your boy Brandon Ayuku.

[Joe]

Brandon Ayuk.

[Debo]

Ayuk. He delivered a message in a video post called the 49ers Little Ass Boys telling them to stop running from. It ain't the bill. It's not the bill. So whoever did this, they obviously don't have a good understanding of black dialect. Like, they like, this dude has got to be. He got to be white. He can't be black because he said belt from the belt.

[Joe]

Play it. Play the sound say that we dealing

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with,

[Joe]

you know, like, them kids, and they.

[Debo]

They don't get picked for the basketball

[Joe]

game at the court, but they the ones that brought the ball. So they like, all right, you don't

[Debo]

want to pick me.

[Joe]

I'm taking my ball. I'm going home.

[Debo]

Ass boys. Little ass boys.

[Joe]

Or like when you're a kid, he got this one toy,

[Debo]

but he don't

[Joe]

really know how to use it correctly. So somebody else about to pick it up and play with it, and they're

[Debo]

like, oh, yeah, this leave. And they're like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hold on.

[Joe]

That's my toy.

[Debo]

Ass boy.

[Joe]

Little ass boy. Man, stop running from the belt. The belt Coming.

[Debo]

You scared?

[Joe]

They scared. The truth is, they scared. They know how I get. They gonna say, oh, yeah, ba, ba,

[Debo]

ba did this, ba did that. Ba did.

[Joe]

You know that? Allegedly. Allegedly. But what they not gonna say is ba suck at football because they know how I get. And they running from that belt that's on the way. It's inevitable. Boy is coming. Stop running. Stop being a female dog. Stop being a female dog. Stop being a little cat. Stop running from the belt.

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[Debo]

Yo, the belt is. What is they. Who wrote that, man? Dude, listen, man, get your, get your stuff together, bro.

[Joe]

What's good? What's. What's happening here? Devo, you go. You go right. Please, you go first.

[Debo]

I do not know what in the fiddle fat on my guy talking about, bro. Here's the problem, bro. Like, we have no real information on what happened with him and the 49ers that led them to the position that they're in right now where the GM won't release him. Is it guaranteed money on the line or something? Like, I don't, I don't. I don't know what's going on. And then like he's talking about like fake or whatever. It was like, dude, you got cost you. You. You got yourself caught speeding, bro. You put that on camera. That ain't no, that ain't fake. You did that. Like, I hope he ain't talking about that,

[Joe]

Debo, this is what I'm trying to say. So in the NFL. So right now he's trying to get. He wanted to get traded, right? He wanted to get traded. He tore his acl. And from that point, I don't know where the relationship started getting shaky. But I'm looking at right now, basically he's saying he don't want to be there, right? He don't wanna be there. They're not trying to release him. But do you think this is the appropriate way to do it? Like right now I'm looking at him like I think they said the Commanders is the team that he's looking to go to. Because I think the general manager, whoever drafted him is over there with the Commanders. I'm just looking at my man like you signed a contract four years, 120 million.

[Debo]

And I'm thinking that he got 120 wins, yo.

[Joe]

Four years. He signed a contract with the 49ers. He signed a four year extension when he asked to get traded the off season before, didn't get traded during that off season, he signed a four year, 120 mil. He heard. What'd you say?

[Debo]

That's why they ain't letting him go. How much guaranteed money they got on, I don't know.

[Joe]

But then it started being crazy. Cause he was like, it says like he just stopped communicating with the team. Do you know how when you have to go and do your treatments and do your rehabs and come to just to schedule appointments, like if you're not, if your stuff is hurt, you gotta like rehab, check in, be on point. It kind of went astray where he kind of was not talking to them no more. And that's when the 49ers said he won't be playing for us. But at the same time we have him under contract, we're not just going to release him because he's saying that he's an asset and they know that if they let him go or get rid of him and they're keeping some money away because just the. There's a way that you gotta go about it. Like you gotta still pull up to the building, you gotta still show up to your rehabs and check in and they got the doctors and all of that stuff. So he's been getting fined and all of this, but he don't want to play for him. But for me it's like you got to do it in a more definite professional way. And then with the posting on the gram with you speeding and getting those allegations and then the way that you throw allegations, I mean, not allegations. It happened on that. That was footage with this, it just is starting to look like Deebo. You know, it's not for long. The league, I think him being able to look back at the way that he's going about the stuff, wanting to get released. I don't know the ins and outs of the way you're getting trade, but the way that the business of the NFL works is all I know is you signed $120 million contract. And for me looking at it now, I would just want you to not miss out on this blessing. Because then you now, if you were to get cut, released, go signed to another team of commanders, like, we don't know what's going on. And now with the other teams looking at them, you talking like this.

[Debo]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Other teams are looking at it like you talking crazy. Like, now. Do you think the NFL don't need you, Brande Ayuk. And I'm not trying to be in any way disrespectful, because that $120 million that you sign for, that could be gone. And then the league's gonna move on. They don't sign you. Like, it'll just be a sad story. But you living your life, that would be real life money. That is kind of right now he's like, man, belt the ass. Like, da, da, da. Like talking all that. Like, man, no. They scared of what's gonna happen to him. Like, just trying to understand you working with a business that don't need you. The NFL, you are hitting this lottery. I'm just trying to figure out ways that you don't mess up your bag.

[Debo]

You're not around for 100 years, it's gonna be around for 100 more after you done.

[Joe]

It's going to continue. And they don't need. And the more that you ball, the longer leash that you have. But then it's like, if you're doing that with this team and they gave you the bat, other teams are just kind of like, is he worth the headache? Or can I just try to go give me a little draft somebody in the first, second round in this hit that's coming in now, Hungry, ready. You know what I'm saying? In meetings, not doing wild things. You know what I'm saying? So.

[Debo]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

It's just a sad thing to see when I look at like that.

[Debo]

Yeah, yeah. I don't. Yeah. I'm go with your explanation because I can't. I can't understand it no other way. And that's just this.

[Joe]

Just, you know, you could.

[Debo]

120. I'm. Listen, bro, I'm coming in there.

[Joe]

You in it, bro. I mean like when you put yourself trying to get.

[Debo]

Fine joke.

[Joe]

We work for these. The teams and it's always a way that that's.

[Debo]

Dude, that's the problem. Everybody think like right now we are making this money and I should be able to do what I want to do. Hell no, you can't. No, you can't. You're an employee. Just because you're in a position where you get a higher profile, people listen to you and all that other stuff, it don't mean a damn thing, dude.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

You still work for this company. You got to do what the hell they say, how the hell they say it. And if you don't like it, they go release your ass, let you go, or whatever that may be, find you, and you go be sitting there looking on. On the outside looking in, talking about damn later on down the line. You know what, man? Maybe I could have did something a little different right there. But you. You so into your. Your own ego. You letting your own ego destroy you. Like your. Your opportunity to continue to play in the league. Like, don't. Don't do it, bro. Don't do it.

[Joe]

You gotta keep the main thing. The main thing. And it's to be able to be in the NFL playing and trying to stay like, trying to stay out the way I understand now when things start to happening. But there's ways that they can really just. You demand.

[Debo]

God. Detrimental is something serious. That fine is no limit.

[Joe]

Whatever.

[Debo]

Yeah, they don't understand that. Like, yo, kind of I hit you with that conduct detrimental. Yeah, it ain't. No. They don't have a minimum or a max on that that after a certain point, like you, I take everything from. Take the whole year, half the year, like, nah, I don't want none of that. I don't want none of that, man. The Dolphins new head coach Jeff Hathley wants his team to be good at the tush push on both sides of the ball. Ask about the tush push at OTAs. Halfley said he wants his defense to figure out how to stop it and he wants quarterback Malik Williams and the Dolphins offensive line to figure out how to run it effectively. He said it's hard to stop, so get good at it and do it. I mean, it's really hard to stop. So as long as it's a legal play, we need to figure out on defense a way to stop it. And with a Quarterback like Malik and some big guys up front. Maybe we can get good at it. Yeah. Yo, this ain't rocket science, bro.

[Joe]

No, what is he.

[Debo]

What, what what is he talking about, bro? Like, we gotta figure out how to stop it. You know how you stop it? You stop it with guys that are big and powerful and can push and not get pushed off the ball and can push the other guys off the ball. Yeah, this ain't rocket. Like you need to figure it out if this is what you worrying about, dude, like trying to figure out out in scheme or come up with a miracle or like you're going to come up with a new way to defeat the tush push of make it better and then on defense how to stop it with this great scheme or no, it's called put your hand into the ground, get lower than them and then have more power as you push into them. That's it?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

You spending all this time on this. This is your first year of the head coach and this is what you talking about? Hell no. You want your team to figure out, huh? Figure out how to stop it. What you know how to stop it.

[Joe]

Gotta get low. Gotta get low. I think as long as the referees don't let them get off the ball faster than you, as long as it's not offsides first, you, it's football. Get off the ball, you gotta get lower and you don't push back. I think when we see the tush push, when long as they don't get off the ball on time, as long as they don't jump off sides, then it's more of an even battle. When they get off the ball, the line's moving before the ball is snapped and then they snap the ball, you have no chance. If you all get an even playing field, soon as the ball moves, everybody's head's behind the ball. And now we move when the ball moves. It's more of a battle. Who's getting lower, who's pushing other people back. If they're taking off before we get the chance to take off and the flag isn't being thrown, that's a cheap play. If they doing it all at the same time all be fair, then it's more 50, 50. It's more who's getting lower, who's pushing the other person back. So I think if they just start calling the play better with that, then

[Debo]

it's just this is what I think

[Joe]

it is what you think it is. If you getting lower and if my quarterback is strong and pushing his legs like Jalen Hurts. We're going to lose.

[Debo]

This is what. This, this. This is what I think the tush push should be a reviewed play whenever it's done. You mother. Look, you people, you NFL. Y' all want to go and review. Every time a guy gets hit by a defensive player, you want to slow it down 50,000 times and see the teeny top of his helmet hit this dude's chin and now he gets flagged and find 50,000. Take this touch push. But the reason y' all don't want to do that is because it helps the offense advance the ball and get more points on this board. But take the tush push, and anytime you touch push, it is reviewed in the box to see if anybody jumped early. If they do, it's flagged and we

[Joe]

don't got to wait for it's happening while the play is going on with they already checking in slow mo to see if people was going offside. So then we know if it was good or not. Cuz I feel you, Debo. If it's an even chance, I'm with it. But when we've been watching the tush push and the line is going before

[Debo]

the book, they're off sides. He got the ball tucked up under him anyway. He's the only person that could be passed the ball. But your lineman has passed the ball too, because they grabbing more lines. Like, come on, you already off sides.

[Joe]

Yeah, I don't like to play. I'm not a fan. But I'm like, if you gonna run it, then give us a equal. Give the defense a chance.

[Debo]

Even the playing field. Every tush push is reviewed upstairs. As soon as it's done and it's told to the ref if it's good or not, offsides or not, whatever it is, done, done.

[Joe]

I'm with you 1000%. Cause I'm not. I'm not against the tush push. I'm just with. If you gonna run the play, run it the right way. Don't have your people lined up offsides. Don't. Ball already tucked. Let's like, what's. What's going on? Like, they literally. Everybody's all huddled over the ball and they're already moving.

[Debo]

Yeah, I mean, he. I think he might be putting too much emphasis on this because, you know, he was in Green Bay when. When they probably. Probably Tush pushed his ass last year and then lost him the game.

[Joe]

Yeah, they. They. When you get to pushed on wild card, it's gonna make you feel some type of way, bro. You get Tush pushed On

[Debo]

for sure. Eagles went on here. Put that tush push on him. He like, well, we gotta figure that out. I can't. Nah, listen, stop. Don't worry about it, bro. Don't worry. It's simple. They stronger than y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Debo]

They getting lower than y'. All. That's it.

[Joe]

They got muscles.

[Debo]

Nothing to figure out. They got muscles. They.

[Joe]

They.

[Debo]

Get in the weight room. Get. Get in the weight room.

[Joe]

Get your strength. Get your strength up.

[Debo]

That's it.

[Tab Ramos]

Get your.

[Joe]

Get your. Casey Hampton.

[Debo]

Wait up.

[Joe]

Get your Hampton on. On. Pat wasn't getting tush pushed on.

[Debo]

Listen, listen, man. They weren't about to try no touch push with him. Stop playing, bro.

[Joe]

That's what I'm saying. I wasn't even saying. That's a hand. Was not getting. Never getting tush pushed on.

[Debo]

He wasn't. He wasn't even having that. That wasn't even. That wasn't even part of the game, man. Let's jump into these super chats, man.

[Joe]

What we got, Coach?

[Debo]

I guess we got super chat. That was from Monday Hexent. What the freak. Hexanti, do you think there's a disconnect from Pittsburgh, from Blitzburg area and today's linebackers? What do you think, Joe?

[Joe]

What do you think, Mr. Blitzberg?

[Debo]

I don't know about. I think the game. Linebackers don't play like the Eastern backs.

[Joe]

Game changed.

[Debo]

Game don't change. Like. Like, you. Like, it's. It don't. It don't really like you can hit now. It's just that you gotta hit low. And I. I call it dirty.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

I just call it dirty. Like, you can't. You gotta hit so low to not take a chance of hitting somebody in their helmet or this.

[Joe]

Like, I feel like. But what you're saying is, right when you hit up high, it's more of an imposing of your will. It's like. You know what I'm saying? Boom. That's just more than when you feel like you're going low. It's like I'm. Like. I'm victim weight. I gotta go. Take your legs out because I can't go up high. That.

[Debo]

That's. Yes, yes, yes.

[Joe]

Why are you going down on, like, yo, what?

[Debo]

I gotta hit him low?

[Joe]

Because he's gotta get him. I gotta make sure that's like a. You feel like I gotta go low because you can't tackle. They're like, man, don't go up on that, big boy. You better go for his legs.

[Debo]

Like me going low on a receiver.

[Joe]

No, no, for sure. That makes you feel.

[Debo]

And here's the thing that makes you feel. If you go low on a receiver that's not looking at you, it's legal.

[Joe]

Yes, yes.

[Debo]

But if you hit him high and knock him out, that game is illegal. But if you hit him low and knock him out for the season, it's legal. It don't make sense.

[Joe]

It's for that. It's just. They. It's just, Just I wanted was because,

[Debo]

you know, listen, I tell dude real fast, man, listen, you got a shot, Blind shot on me. And you don't you think you can. You can shoot off and take that and you could actually go low? No. Go high. I'll pay you fine.

[Joe]

Thanks.

[Debo]

If you get me.

[Joe]

If you get me. Yeah, if you still.

[Debo]

When I was going, when I was getting fine, bro, I would tell cats, I'm like, yo, bro, I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm gonna hit you low. I'm gonna hit you low. If I have a chance to hit you, I'm not getting fine, bro, I'm not getting. Look, Fitzgerald, he was like, bro, hit me high. I'll find. I'll pay the fine. See, I said, you got it. I got.

[Joe]

You got action. You got action.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

But you. I see you when you wake up.

[Debo]

No question. Like, that's. Yeah, it's just. They trying to. They trying to. They trying to protect. You can't protect everything from everything. This is a game that has inherent dangers to it. And you know, that's just, that's just, that's just part of it. Like I can understand, you know. Yeah, just outright, like back in the G, you know, where you went and just clothesline, you know, cross they neck like that. I was like, whoa, them boys are playing crazy back then for sure, man. Mike, Mike, he back a hundred. I mean, Mike, Mike, 100. He got $5. He said, what up, Debo and Joe?

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[Joe]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

[Joe]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something, so they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Joe]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology, and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Debo]

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[Debo]

I should do a show from New York after the Knicks win. Yeah. Debo and Joe outside in the chaos of New York Knick fans. I like that, man. You scared, Joe?

[Joe]

I ain't scared. I'm gonna go. I'll be out there doing with the. With it. Yes. I'm. They gonna think. But look, that's what I'm saying. Everybody gonna think. I'm just supporting everybody team. I'm just. I love sports, though. But if we go out there, I'm going to have to, like, rock with the Knicks so we can get love. I'm all. I'm all for. We gonna come in there hating. You gonna come in there with the Knicks stuff.

[Debo]

I'm coming in there with Knicks on. I got to. I ain't. I ain't about to get. I ain't about to get.

[Joe]

You know what I'm saying? And not. And I'm not trying to be like, oh, I'm having. Happy for y', all, for sure. Yo, we didn't win. I'm here.

[Debo]

Who don't say we.

[Joe]

No, we.

[Debo]

We.

[Joe]

I'm talking about my cast.

[Debo]

Don't say. Don't say we. We. When I say we out there with them. Hey, we ain't win. I'm happy for y'.

[Jacob Goldstein]

All.

[Debo]

Huh? Who is we?

[Joe]

See? No, I'm. I'm not gonna say that out loud. I'm just gonna be like this, man. Go work. Next. Where's the Brunson statue?

[Debo]

I ain't gonna lie to you. If they sweep them. Oh, I ain't gonna lie. I'm thinking a little different about the Cavs. If they sweep these boys, bro, I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Joe]

See, like, when they fought, we had them up 22. And they came in. It's not off. It just.

[Debo]

They had him up 14 at one point.

[Joe]

They're not playing. They came back. Oh, my goodness. And that Wemby came through with the. With the layup. Do you think that was Wemby's fault when he passed it off his back?

[Debo]

Hell, yeah.

[Joe]

Ah, I thought. I thought he was looking like, okay, you gotta.

[Debo]

Come on, bro.

[Joe]

You gotta hold that.

[Debo]

You gotta hold that.

[Joe]

Yeah, my man said he's ah gots

[Debo]

to be more careful. It got to be Eric Abel. 58 $5 said Debo. Who do you want to see as QB1 next year? WH or D A or 2027 draft quarterback. Who is WH in DA

[Joe]

Will Howard.

[Debo]

Oh, Drew Allen. It honestly, we don't need to drop the quarterback. We need to go get Joe Burrow.

[Joe]

If there's no Joe Burrow, it's not neither. It's not Drew or DA

[Debo]

if it's no Joe Burrow, we go beat on one the championship. We not go get the quarterback we want. That's why we got to go get Joe and let him know, Joe, we just won a championship. You want to come back and do this back to back with us and get you one? You see what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Yeah, I got to watch more other college football because the same way people thought last year's draft was going to was supposed to be amazing for the quarterbacks and they didn't have too much of a good years and then Fundoza came out of nowhere. I just got to see what's going to happen during the season this year for it to be like it's one of these quarterbacks going to be able to be a franchise. I'm going to go with Howard though for my opinion. If I'm going with what we got on our team right now, I'm trying out Howard.

[Debo]

I don't know why we got to make a decision right now on 2027 anyway.

[Joe]

I know neither one of them could

[Debo]

do so, to be honest with you. Hey Eric, I'm gonna tell you right now, we ain't. We don't have a decision to make. We could say Will and he ends up being something that we thought he wasn't. And we could say, you know, Drew and he ends up being something we thought he wasn't. So we don't even know what they can do in the NFL yet as a quarterback starting quarterback in the league. So yeah, I'm a yeah, check. Check back later. Check back later.

[Joe]

Debo. Gotta get CC research. You gotta see some evidence.

[Debo]

X Santi $5 Again, being a successor of the Blicksburg era, how do you see this age of linebackers, Stillers? Linebackers who seem far from their predecessors? This group has no identity. We go figure it out. We got a whole nother coaching staff. Your coaches usually help bring in identity through the process of how they coach what they value. So hopefully with the new coaching staff, we know we have better coaches. That is for sure. The values that, you know, they'll be able to instill into these players and let them see, you know, what it is that they're about, it should definitely help give us a better identity or a identity like we got to get back to just smashing people sometimes, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Exactly. Downhill. And I think that's going to help us out too when our linemen keep them as fresh, clean as possible. So we going to just be sideline to sideline downhill. So identity is going to be happening when our defense doesn't have mistakes all over the place, when the D line is holding their own, keeping the two. Keeping the linebackers fresh. So I mean, just depending on once the D line and the linebackers, once it's. You'll see them working better. Once everybody' and cahoots, when the. When the dbs and the. And the D line linebackers are all flowing together, when people are not jumping out of their gaps, it's going to have Queen be fresher. He's going to be able to move and react a whole lot quicker. So he's going to look like he's flying around because he's not guessing where he has to go.

[Debo]

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[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

$50 said. Love the show. Let's bring awareness to mental health awareness. In loving memory of Eric Brown II, age 20. Fayette, Georgia, June 4, 2026. He took his own life.

[Joe]

Sponsored by Diddy.

[Debo]

Sponsored by Diddy Truck. Save our youth. Be available to the youth as a follow up here. Eric was my younger cousin and a fan of the show. And to him you were. And to him you all are. Were larger than life figures. I hope that you all understand that to some, you are all superheroes. Keep doing what y' all doing. Hey, man, thank you. Appreciate you. Sorry for your loss, man.

[Joe]

Thousand percent.

[Debo]

It's mental awareness, man.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Debo]

I don't know. I'm. I'm probably gonna be. I don't know. I'm probably gonna be out of line. I don't know. Know.

[Joe]

But

[Debo]

my. My life has been better, has been greater. I've had more peace when there should be none since I accepted my Lord and savior and started building a relationship with him. Amen is the thing that has allowed me to get through a lot of current situations and really just improve my outlook on situations. So I believe that if you build your relationship and faith with your Lord and savior, and I'm not saying just go to church and, you know, once a week, I'm Talking about, you know, actually sit down, read the word, spend time with it, you know, think about it and have conversations, talk, you know, dedicate time. First thing I do when I get up is I'm 45 minutes into the word I'm having. I'm having time to sit there and there's Nobody up. It's 3 o' clock in the morning and I'm, you know, I'm going through and I'm reading the word and I'm talking and I'm having conversations.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Debo]

You know, with my Lord and Savior. And it's not like you hear words back his feelings. And I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I never had that before until I actually started to really, you know, build a relationship and then accepted my Lord and Savior. So I think what we need more of is more faith, more God. Yeah. So I think that that helps.

[Joe]

I feel you. I'm with you a thousand percent, man. God puts us to kindness, generosity, understanding, being able to have. Being able to just be there for people. You know what I'm saying? So like they said right there, always a helping word, always a motivational speech, or not even motivational speech, just saying, I'm here for you, I'm loving for you. And like when you said, Debo, knowing life is bigger than you, you know what I'm saying? Having that Christ in your life, knowing that no matter what's going on, you always have a father that's with you, no matter what.

[Debo]

For sure. For sure, brother. Covenant Life. $20 she said ad wife said no, he's not returning. Yeah, yeah. The queen of tennis is back. Serena, for show. For show. Debo, if you were called in to speak to the Steelers defense, what one thing would you hammer on? I don't know if I would hammer. Oh, Joe. Yo. Have a terrible time.

[Joe]

Yeah, I do. Where I brought water to the game, it's probably in my wrestling.

[Debo]

I could reach now and grab six of them.

[Joe]

I can't reach right now and grab one because I brought them to the game.

[Debo]

You brought one?

[Joe]

No, I brought like five. Cause I had the whole family at the game. We were still is down. I brought all the jersey. Everybody had jerseys on. We looked sweet.

[Debo]

Okay. Okay, Joe, whatever you say. So if I was to go and talk to the defense now, I wouldn't need to have anything to hammer on because I don't think we have a understanding or a lack of. We don't know what we have right now until these coaches get a hold of them and actually get in at least Four games, and we see what our identity is going to look like, you know?

[Joe]

Yeah. Oh, and you know what I tell them? Communication.

[Debo]

Communication.

[Joe]

Communication, gentlemen. Y' all got all the skills, but

[Debo]

you can't say that. How you know they ain't wreaking? They ain't already saying communication? I don't. That's why I said you got to let them play it out. Out. I'm just gonna say right now, talking, it's gonna feel like.

[Joe]

See, See? Look, Debo, all I'm trying to say is if they're gonna. If they gonna say one thing, I'm just gonna say communication, hopefully. The coaches are obviously. The coaches are probably saying communication, but just if they like this. Damn.

[Debo]

Well, we know that.

[Joe]

Joe, double down. Joe. Joe doubled down on it like. Cause now if y' all are communicating, y' all are in the right place. Y' all are already ahead of schedule. Y' all gotta got the skills. Y' all just need to know. Everybody knows what we got going on. Nobody's looking crazy like this. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting acknowledgment. I'm getting. You know what I'm saying? Yes. I'm gonna he. Check, check, check, check. Bravo, bravo. I'm getting all that. Oh, I'm. I'm getting recess. You're saying what I'm saying. That's communication. Like, I just need noise. I need y' all to be talking. If we get that now, we're in the right spot. Now, if you get beat, you like this.

[Debo]

Damn.

[Joe]

Like, I'm right there. I gotta just get the ball out. I'm like this.

[Debo]

Yes.

[Joe]

Not. Not me and you, we're standing right next to each other, and the dude's back there. We like this.

[Debo]

Doing this one.

[Joe]

And we're doing this one.

[Debo]

What the.

[Joe]

I don't need no more. What the. I need this. I need this.

[Debo]

Ah. Like.

[Joe]

Like. You know what I'm saying? Getting back up to the huddle. You are talking, dog. I do the next jump.

[Debo]

You.

[Joe]

You smacking the ball out of his hand. Hey, you know what I'm saying? All that.

[Debo]

Tell me about it. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike. 100. Oh, sorry. Mike, Mike 1. I keep saying 100. Mike, Mike. $100. $5 said invite Burrow on the podcast. Or is that tampering? Hey, we can invite Joe on the podcast. Okay. But it ain't tempering, okay? Because I don't work for the Steelers.

[Joe]

No, neither do I. Yeah.

[Debo]

Joe, baby. Game three tonight, man. We go deserve what's going down Brother, if they win, I gotta book me the first thing smoking up out or the last thing smoking up out of here Tuesday so I could get into the hotel right there at Times Square.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Debo]

Go ahead and get all the. All the lives going. I might even step out there. I don't even know, Joe. I might even step out there if I get there in time so I can give me some cat. Give me a cat, something like that. I'm going out there and I'm gonna be acting crazy, talking crazy. Real New York, son. You understand?

[Joe]

Real New York, really, you know? So you got them. We got them winning. If they win tonight, it's sweet.

[Debo]

If they win tonight, it's sweepstakes.

[Joe]

And I ain't gonna lie, it's gonna be jumping in there, man.

[Debo]

Joe, I ain't been in the streets in a minute, but I might go ahead and see what the street's talking about after that. A sweet.

[Joe]

Hey, look, brother B. Yeah, you let me know how that is. Tell me all about it, man. FaceTime me.

[Debo]

Hey, man. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please, please make sure you like, subscribe and download where you get your show. Joe.

[Joe]

Yo. See you tomorrow. Same time, same place. Let's get it.

[Debo]

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