Nightcap Hour 1: Knicks SWEEP Cavs & ADVANCE to NBA FINALS + Donovan Mitchell GOES OFF on Teammates

Summary

Nightcap: Knicks SWEEP Cavs & Advance to NBA Finals + Donovan Mitchell Goes Off on Teammates

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe “ISO” Johnson
Date: May 26, 2026
Podcast: Nightcap (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap brings instant, unfiltered reactions from Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and Joe Johnson following the New York Knicks' historic sweep of the Cleveland Cavaliers, sending the Knicks to their first NBA Finals in 27 years. The hosts break down how the Knicks dominated, the inexcusable effort from the Cavs, James Harden’s recurring playoff struggles, and Donovan Mitchell confronting his teammates. The trio also debates the future of Cleveland’s roster, what’s next for both franchises, and who really has a shot at the title.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Knicks Sweep Cavs – A Historic Moment

• Shannon Sharpe (09:57): "For the first time in 27 years, the New York Knicks are headed back to the NBA Finals."
• The Knicks displayed dominance, winning their closeout games by an average of 39.3 points—the largest in NBA history ([41:45]).
• Jalen Brunson wins Eastern Conference Finals MVP; Walt Frazier presents the Larry Bird trophy. Brunson’s decision to take a pay cut led to key roster additions (Bridges, Towns, OG) and built an actual championship-contending team ([41:45]).

Memorable Quote:

“Brunson all time gamble paid off. The New York Knicks are headed to the NBA finals.” — Shannon Sharpe [41:45]

2. Knicks’ Keys to Success

• Joe Johnson (11:37): "What's been most impressive about the Knicks? It's… by committee, but Brunson has been leading the charge... Every game he has somebody who steps up and becomes the unsung hero."
• The team’s depth and coaching tweaks by Mike Brown (moving the ball into Karl-Anthony Towns’ hands) made them unpredictable and hard to guard ([12:11]).
• Multiple players—OG, Hart, Bridges, Towns—showed up consistently as role players stepped up on both sides of the floor ([45:33]).

3. Cavs Collapse – Effort & Roster Problems

• Across the board, hosts blasted the Cavs for effort and body language:
  • Ochocinco (13:13): "I've had a lot of losing, but there's one thing that it didn't take even in losing is effort and want to... what I saw tonight... is pathetic."
  • Joe Johnson (13:32): "You look at the body language, it's like they not even trying."
• The Cavs were out-rebounded by 27 despite having bigs like Jarrett Allen and Evan Mobley ([14:08]).
• Joe and Ocho agree: there’s no way Cleveland should run this team back without major changes ([14:08], [16:46]).

4. James Harden’s Legacy & Playoff Struggles

• Shannon Sharpe (15:33): "Nowhere you can run, James Harden, that you're going to be able to outrun expectations that you set up."
• Harden repeatedly put up more turnovers than field goals made, per Shannon: "How many times have we had this conversation?" ([14:58])
• The hosts analyze Harden's decline, debating if it’s time for him to take a lesser role, noting how hard it is for once-greats to see their own decline ([34:42], [35:46]).
• Shannon Sharpe (20:14): “James Harden can get a residency out here in Vegas. Copperfield gave up his residency because Harden pulled the disappearing act every year.”

5. Donovan Mitchell Goes Off

• Video segment shows Mitchell frustrated, going off on teammates down 20 in Q2; praised for being the sole Cav with energy ([59:21]).
• Joe Johnson (59:57): "D. Mitch, if you see this, bro, don’t even sweat it... you came to play tonight. I don't know what the rest of them were doing though."
• The hosts suggest that losing doesn't "hurt" teams like it used to ([60:51], [61:08]).
• Shannon Sharpe (61:34): "If it don't hurt you enough to lose, you ain't put a damn enough into it."

6. Future of the Cavs – Time for a Shakeup?

• The panel debates whether Cleveland can justify paying big contracts to Harden, Mobley, Allen, and Mitchell without deeper results ([16:46]).
• Joe Johnson (17:41): Argues Mobley hasn’t lived up to expectations: “He supposed to dominate in this series, bro. Ain’t no way in hell Josh Hart supposed to be guarding this man.”
• Shannon presses that the Cavs need a new blueprint, using Hartenstein & Chet's chemistry as examples ([16:46]).
• On Harden: is he still worth $30M+? Could Cleveland get equivalent production for less?
  • Joe Johnson (21:02): “You probably can find a guy.”

7. LeBron to Cleveland Rumors & Roster Fit Debates

• Hosts raise the idea of LeBron returning to Cleveland and how Harden would fit ([22:22]).
• Shannon Sharpe (22:22): “Give me Bron. Bron gonna give you better production than James Harden, and probably now.”
• The fit is debated: can Harden play off-ball? Is LeBron willing to be a “third option”? Consensus: Harden’s skill set isn’t built for a supplementary role ([27:04]).

8. Who Can Stop the Knicks? Finals Predictions

• With New York advancing, the panel discusses their chances against the Western Conference winner (Thunder or Spurs).
  • Ochocinco (47:14): “I had the Knicks winning the finals, period. What you talking about?”
  • Joe disagrees: both potential opponents defend better than Cleveland ([47:22], [50:23]).
  • Ochocinco stands by his prediction, noting the Knicks’ energy, team chemistry, and depth ([49:28], [51:19]).

9. Mike Brown’s Impact & Sacrament's Mistake

• Hosts note how Mike Brown has revitalized the Knicks and question why Sacramento let him go ([54:35]).
  • Shannon Sharpe (54:35): "I'm happy for Mike Brown... I don't know why they fired that man in Sacramento."
  • Briefly touch on the failure of Doug Christie as interim coach and the aftermath for the Kings.

10. Lighthearted Banter & NFL Talk

• The last segment shifts to personal loyalties in football, with Shannon defending his “dual citizenship” as a Broncos and Ravens fan, and the group poking fun at each other’s teams and histories ([64:15], [67:09]).
• Ochocinco (66:33): “Your team is not constructed to compete at the highest level… you’re just not.” – on the realities for most NFL franchises.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (by Timestamp)

• “They folded like a lawn chair… really embarrassing.” — Shannon Sharpe on the Cavs [10:51]
• “Once the Cavs got down, their comeback game ain’t about nothing… everybody just start trying to go one-on-one.” — Joe Johnson [62:10]
• “The Knicks got balance scoring… six guys in double figures… Cat has been phenomenal this postseason.” — Shannon Sharpe [45:33]
• "Brunson wins Eastern Conference Finals MVP... The Knicks have won their closeout games by an average of 39.3, the greatest margin in NBA history." — Shannon Sharpe [41:45]
• "Mike Brown's got them playing... complimentary basketball. They rebound the basketball at an elite level." — Shannon Sharpe [49:28]
• “I don't think Evan Mobley is the guy who we all think he can be. He's not that guy. I'm just being 100.” — Joe Johnson [17:41]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Knicks-Cavs Recap & Breakdown: [09:57] – [14:08]
• Cavs Effort/Energy Issues: [13:12] – [14:55]
• James Harden Debate: [14:55] – [23:40]
• Cavs' Roster Construction & Future: [16:46], [34:42]
• Knicks’ Depth & Mike Brown: [11:37], [12:11], [41:45]
• Donovan Mitchell Sideline Blowup: [59:21]
• Eastern Conference vs. Western Conference Finals Preview: [46:39] – [53:37]
• Mike Brown & Sacramento Sidebar: [54:35]
• NFL Team Banter: [64:15] – End

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Final Thoughts & Tone

The episode is quintessential Nightcap: raw, animated, and opinionated, mixing sharp basketball analysis with playful athlete banter. The hosts oscillate between pointed criticisms (“no way in hell I’m bringing this team back as currently constructed” — Sharpe [10:53]), genuine appreciation for the Knicks’ growth, and personal stories from their own careers. The conversation is candid, at times humorous (“James Harden can get a residency out here in Vegas…” [20:14]), and steeped in admiration for players who fight, despite their flaws.

New York's triumph is celebrated, but the panel remains skeptical about how the Knicks will fare against the Western Conference elite. Meanwhile, Cleveland’s future is presented as uncertain—unless they're willing to make bold personnel changes.

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Recommended listening for: Knicks fans basking in victory, Cavs fans bracing for change, and basketball diehards wanting instant, no-filter playoff reactions.

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[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. It's a little blurry, but it look good.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, why you gotta start hating, man?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Golly, hating Joe. I said it look good, but all

[Joe Johnson]

right, don't worry about it. I'mma fix all that. Don't worry about that.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

I got you. I got you. Hey, baby, but you look so.

[Joe Johnson]

I appreciate it. I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, once you start getting your trophies in and everything, you start putting

[Joe Johnson]

that back, hey, it's like. It's like I'm starting from scratch. I'm starting all over again. So look, I'm looking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you about to get your first award, your first remember, your first basketball. Proud of that thing. So you got the Nightcap side. Now you just got to put the shelves There and put the. The awards in the backdrop. That thing gonna be looking, man.

[Joe Johnson]

We ready?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm locked in, baby.

[Joe Johnson]

What's up? What's up, fellas?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, I can't wait till I get some awards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, I don't know what's gonna happen. Oh, I don't know. I don't know when that's gonna happen. For the first time in 27 years, the new York Knicks are headed back to the NBA Finals. The Cavs have allowed at 20 plus points of turnovers in 10 games this postseason. That is the most in one playoff run since 1997. And when you look at it, they got off. Hey, look, Donald Mitchell got off to a great start, but it was Met OG from 3. Carl Anthony Towns. From 3. Mikhail Bridges, Jalen Brunson, Landry Shamon. No, I mean, what's the little young guard Mal couldn't miss from three. And you could just tell that like, they would put everything they had, Joe, in the first five minutes of the game, and the Knicks said, nah, not tonight. And they just wilted. They folded. They fold. They folded like a lawn. And it was. It was really embarrassing.

[Joe Johnson]

It was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we talked about this when it happened the first game. The likelihood of them being able to overcome that performance that they gave in game one, being up by 22 at one point in time, 16 with under seven minutes to go, and to lose the game in the fashion in which they lost it, I didn't think they could overcome. I don't think any of us thought they could overcome that. Joe, let's take the Knicks first. Let's give them their kudos. Congratulations, New York Knicks.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you played an unbelievable. This playoffs has been as good as. I mean, think about it. They've won what, seven, eight, nine playoff games in a row?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So with that being said, they played their best ball when it absolutely had to have it and when it meant the most. Joe, what has been most impressive about what you've seen from the New York Knicks?

[Joe Johnson]

What's been most impressive about the Knicks? It's, you know, it's been obviously by committee, but Brunson has been leading the charge. And it's like he's been a constant. But every. Seems like every game he has somebody who steps up and becomes the unsung hero. Whether it's OG who has been pretty consistent, you know, throughout this whole post season, Bridges coming along ever since. Ever since they. They got out of this damn Atlanta Hawks series. Y' all know it. Y' all know it, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, ever since game Three he been

[Joe Johnson]

on has been unconscious. They had lost the game since, since the first round, man. Hey, listen, they playing good ball, man. They hitting on the offense. I like what Mike Brown done. Put the ball in cat hands. Let, let him, let him be a playmaker because you got to honor him because he can shoot it from way back there. And they have been great with the little tweaks that, that Mike Brown has made. It's made them a lot more dangerous. And you know, obviously, man, they just been kicking butt in the Eastern Conference. Kudos to, to the Knicks, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They look good.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know what the hell Cleveland out there doing though. That's just pathetic.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, Uncle Joe, that was embarrassing tonight. Uncle Joe, I've had a lot of and Joe, I've had a lot of losing, you know, during my time when I played. But there's one thing that it didn't take even in losing is effort and want to and actually trying to and being one even in a losing effort, you will show when you turn that film on and there are people watching. I still got that name on the back of that jersey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

I can't embarrass myself, Joe. And I'm. I don't care if we are losing. I'm going to be going balls to the wall in that loss. I mean, what I saw tonight, not just tonight's game, hell, the lad the previous game before that is pathetic. Especially on defense. It's like you look at everybody mannerisms,

[Joe Johnson]

you look at the body language, it's

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

like they not even trying. They out there, but they're not out there.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Unc Ocho. It's like me talking to my kids when they playing sports. Damn. Just fix your body language out there. It just look bad. You know what I mean? That's what the. Hey, man, I don't know how you know, I felt Donovan came to play tonight, Uncle Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did. He's the only one that came to play.

[Joe Johnson]

The only one. I just don't understand how the Knicks run you out your own damn building, bro. They look two, three steps ahead of the Cavs. It wasn't even funny, bro. Bro, it wasn't even funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. If you look at it, they turn the ball over, guys jogging back. There's no, there's no sense of urgency. Like, oh well, we, let's be resigned to our, to our fate. It's over. I mean, what's the likely? It's like what is the likelihood of us winning four games in a row? Do we really want to get On a plane and go back to New York, order in order for it to end there, and then have to get on the plane and fly back to Ohio. Cleveland, that effort, there's no way in. Hell, yeah. I'm bringing this team back as currently constructed. No way, Joe. No way. How you get rebounded. You got a seven footer and a six, nine, and you get out. Rebounded by 27. James Harden again. He had it again, y'. All. Yeah.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, so that means we got to write on prize picks, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Again. More turnovers than field goals made. How many times have we had this conversation? Chat. How many times? The third round. So you had the opening round, then you had the semifinals, and then you had the finals. How many times have you heard me come out here? James Harden had more turnovers than field goals made. James Harden had as many field turnovers as field goals made. That's over and over. And it's getting repetitive. It's getting repetitive, and guess what? It's not going away. There is not a situation where he can go to that. The pressure is still not going to be there.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You okay? Houston, you go to the Knicks. Excuse me. The Nets. You go to Philly. You go to the Clippers. You. I don't. Excuse me. Sorry. Chad. There is nowhere you can run, James Harden that you're going to be able to outrun expectations that you set up. Because you've been great. Yes, you've been a great regular season player, but far too many times in the postseason, we've seen pathetic performances like this. And you're far too good of a player to have this happen. They say we are what we repeatedly do. Therefore, it's not a singular act. It is a habit. How many times have we seen this? To say this is an isolated incident from James Harden.

[Joe Johnson]

It's happened before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, more time than not.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

I got a question for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

You think about how difficult it is to instruct the roster to be able to compete in the regular season. Now you talk about constructing a roster for the Cavs in the playoffs. Well, who you gonna go get? Because they made. They made it to the Eastern Conference finals, and now you're saying tearing it down. So that's. That's setting you. That's setting you back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not good enough. All I know is that the way this roster is constructed, yeah, I got there, but that's not good enough. Look at the investment that I've made. Jared Allen has three years at $90 million left on his contract. Donovan Mitchell is about to get A ginormous extension. Evan Mobley is on a 200 million dollar extension. James Harden is going to want three years, 90 million. I'm not doling out that kind of money to get to the Eastern Conference finals. First of first and second of all, if you look at Evan Mobley and Jared, they don't play together, they don't play like Hardenstein. Chet, that, that should be your blueprint of how two bigs should play off of each other. Yeah. Ain't no way in hell Evan Mobley at that height, at that size is letting Josh Hart push him off the block, make him settle for threes. No way in hell.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you know what I think? I don't think Evan Mobley is the guy who we all think he can be. He's not that guy. I, I don't think he's that guy. I'm just being 100 because of his size and with his skill set. He's supposed to be dominating. He supposed to, he's supposed to dominate in this series, bro. Ain't no way in hell Josh Harden imposed to be guarding this man. You know what I mean? So I just think, I, I don't think he is who they want him to be, which is probably second best player. I just, it's just too inconsistent, bro. Too inconsistent. You let these little bitty dudes guard you. They got more dog than you. I mean, it's killing, it's, it's killing 18, bro. You gonna need, hey, you gonna need 30. You needed 30 from Donovan and him tonight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, you, you needed, you needed two guys to, you needed another guy to come along with Donovan. Donovan came to play tonight, but hard. But Harden did not come to play. Excuse me. Ocha, go ahead.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

The guy supposed to be Harden. That was the point of bringing him here. That's the point. If Garland is gone, you're bringing, you're bringing Harden and especially Harden with Harden wanting to payday, huh? And Joe, after this season, this is the. This is your prove it. This is your prove it season. You can't base it off what you did when you was in Houston.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Joe, we can't.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

You got to update your resume, Uncle. You say it all the goddamn time. But when it comes to basketball, the market is what the market is. And most of the time it's based off what you've done in the past as opposed to what you're doing right now.

[Joe Johnson]

I, I honestly, I, I like James, but I don't think he got that gear that we think he can get in. He can't get in that next gear. No more, fellas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not now.

[Joe Johnson]

It's just. It's too hard, bro. I'm watching. I know he trying, but, you know, as you age, man, you think you still got it. What you do? It just ain't. It ain't. It ain't in. You know, it ain't like it used to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't summons it when you want to like you used to, man. Yeah, we talk about it all the time, Ocho. You already know. Yeah, your boy used to high dive off the dresser.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, now. Walk in there with the lights off, make sure. Hey, hey, there. You can't. Hey, I used to be up there, beat my head. Well, you thought I was King Kong on this Empire State Building. The way I'll beat my chance back into my 20s and 30s now. I come in that thing like a. Like a church mouse. Hey, I tell you what. James Harden can get a job out here in Vegas. He can get a residency out here in Vegas. Copperfield gave up his residency because he pulled the disappearing act every year.

[Joe Johnson]

James, listen, he gonna get it. He gonna get another contract again. Ojo, I. I mean, it ain't gonna be no big deal, but I think you got to keep him around, bro. You got to keep them around to do what? To help orchestrate some of this. What you do if you let him go? What? What you got? What you gonna do? Nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question, Joe.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

You trying to improve the team, Monk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, let me ask you this. For $90 million, let me. Do you believe I can find me another player that can give me 12 points? Go all six from the three point line. Have more turnovers than field goal. Do you, yes or no, that you believe I can find me another player that makes somewhere between 30 and $35 million that can give me what James Harden has given me this postseason.

[Joe Johnson]

You probably can find a guy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what am I so. So. See, the thing is, we've got to be careful holding on to a name. Yeah, that's what he is now in the postseason. He's a name far too many times. We have not seen the Jane play the. The regular season. James Harden show up in the postseason. He struggled at Time Joe and Ocho, when he was at his absolute apex in Houston with these type of performances.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now he's seven, eight, nine years removed. And we asking him, you know what, James, go give us 30, 15 and 8. James, give us 40, 46 and 7. That's not him anymore. He's not getting by guys. If you think about it, think about how many times he's got to dribble. At least 15 times just before he gets into the lane. Man, James hard used to put that ball w W. And he in the lane.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

He gone. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now it's w W her back up, back out. Oh, no. Damn, you still here? Damn, you still here? Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, listen, listen. I think. I think he can. You know what's discouraging is, is that the shots. He is getting some wide open looks, and he just not making them, bro. And that's just not like him. But if they talking about bringing Braun back here, you might as well keep him at the point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I. Give me Brian. Brian will give you better production than James Harden. And probably now. I don't know what they're going to do. I don't know how much they can pay LeBron, but you know what James Harden is. You are. You know, you've been on the phone with somebody and they call, you say, hey, hold on, let me. And you hold. And you like. And you on the phone for like five, 10 minutes, and they still there. You like, damn, you still here. That's how James Harden is when he tried to get by somebody. Like, damn, man, you still in front of me.

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta chill. You gotta.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Man, I want the man to succeed so bad because he is, no matter what you think of his postseason.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's earned the respect. He's a top 75 player. And you're basing it on what he's done in the regular season. The mvp, you can't take that from him. The scoring titles, you can't take that from him. The assist titles, you can't take that from him. He's been a great player, but far, far, I don't know. Have we ever seen a great player as great as James Harden come up as consistently as small in the postseason? Johto, based on what he's given us in the regular season.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, I don't think so. I don't think so. You know, he's had huge expectations and

[Shannon Sharpe]

placed on him by himself based on his plate. That's not us, Joe. Yeah, he did that with his play in the regular season when he went to Houston, and we saw the first 30 games in which he played his Houston. You're like this dude, different man. You're like, hold on. Y' all had that guy coming off the bench.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But obviously you got Katie and Russ. They're great players in their own right. He was never going to be able to do that.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, they, they, they always said he wasn't going to be able to win a championship with this style of play, you know, and it's been proven to be. It's hard to argue it's been proven to be right because he's played with some grace, bro. He's played with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

He's been on some hell of a team. They just didn't get it done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, maybe he had a little bad luck. Kyrie got hurt when he was at the nets. He got fed up with that, the situation. And we all know what transpired Covid year and, and everything and blah blah, blah. We don't need to rehash that. Kyrie gets hurt, they have the lead and, and then the Milwaukee wins. Yeah, Milwaukee I think wins the next two games or something like that. So he's been, he's had some bad luck, but we watched him in Philly play great. And then the game seven, he pulls a disappearing act. Joe, we watched him with the Clippers, so we've seen far too many times. Hey, that he, he's done this. And then tonight the effort tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, if. Joe, if I'm going, look here, I'm gonna empty the gun. And if I'm out of bullets, I'm a photo gun. Hey, hey, hey. I ain't leaving nothing.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

You gotta, you gotta empty the clip on. You got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe I can hit him upside the head and knock him out or something.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I don't missed all the shots, but I'm throwing. I. I'm leaving nothing. I'm coming home with absolutely nothing. And this is what like when I used to train, I say I don't drop breadcrumbs. Cause this ain't no Hansel and Greta ride. I ain't saving nothing for the trip home, bro. You think he loves popping. James, you too good of a player. In order to have these type of small moments far too many times we are. Look, nobody is going to score 35, 40 points every game. Jordan has some games in which he shot 6 of 19, and Kobe had some bad games and LeBron and Steph and all the greats have. But a guy this great to come up this small so many times is very disheartening.

[Joe Johnson]

It is because he said he's such a great talent and like you say a top 75 player. I, I say Cleveland gonna bring him back a num. Another reasons because he. They traded for him mid season. They gonna give Him a full year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

They gonna give him a full season. Now, if that entails a new contract, then, oh, well. But I don't see him going nowhere, man. I don't see. I don't see him going over. I think they gotta add something. Now, I don't really know how serious it is if LeBron is gonna come there, but I think he. He'll play great. He will play great off him. So

[Shannon Sharpe]

who gonna play great?

[Joe Johnson]

I think James can play off LeBron,

[Shannon Sharpe]

man. James gotta have the ball. James ain't no off the ball. That's why he got about. You think about who he had. He had Chris Paul. He want Chris Paul. He had Russ.

[Joe Johnson]

He won't. It's different now. He's gonna be 37 years old, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't.

[Joe Johnson]

You can't. You can't pound the air out that ball all damn game. You're gonna have to. Yeah, you. You gonna have to do this sometime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who's the last one to see our greatness leave us? Yeah, you, I get. I guarantee you, I inject them with true serum, put him under the light. Got the CIA interrogating him with the threat of waterboarding and sending his ass to Guantanamo Bay. I guarantee you he'll tell you he's still the same player that he was in Houston. He just doesn't have the opportunities.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, he ain't gonna say that. He ain't gonna say that.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, LeBron already showed you can play off the ball. He ain't got to have the ball in his hands. So just hypothetically speaking, if. If Braun is able to go there and go back, they still allow. They'll still allow James to, you know, control the ball and do what he needs to do, take the shots. When they say. I think. Honestly, I think he done lost his confidence a little bit. Just a little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't just him. It ain't just him. You know, for me, Evan Mobley, he plays so indecisive on what it is he want to do. It's like sometimes he'll catch it. He should just go to a catch and shoot, but he'll catch hitch hesitate, and now he's all out of rhythm. I just don't feel that confidence from him, you know, in his game. I don't feel it oozing out of him. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he.

[Joe Johnson]

He the one I felt got to make the leap to make it easier for James and Donovan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Donovan, let me ask you this.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

You can see it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think Lebron J. I'm gonna ask you both guys this. You think LeBron James want to go somewhere else and be the third option?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, nah, he ain't doing that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what option is he gonna be in Cleveland?

[Joe Johnson]

He gonna be the orchestrator. He gonna be like,

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

well, how you gonna orchestrate if he ain't got.

[Joe Johnson]

He is gonna have the ball.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

What you mean James gonna play off the ball?

[Joe Johnson]

LeBron they are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, I believe. Yeah. LeBron is shown he can play out the ball, right? Have James showed you in his 16 years, 15 years that he can play out the ball?

[Joe Johnson]

Joe yeah, somewhat. He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Somewhat early in his career. Yeah. When he was with, when he's with okc, he did he really have a choice? Russ had the ball a lot. He, they give him the ball some. But since he's been in Houston, when he, when he got to the Nets, what did they do? They kicked Kyrie to the two. They put him at the point.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When. When he got. When they got. When. I don't know if he and Ben Simmons overlapped. I don't think they did. No. They tried. They traded for one another.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

They traded. They traded for one another. He got the point when he got when he got to the Clippers, what did they do? Kick him to the point when he got to the Cavs, what did they do? So I. Are we sure that he could play off the ball? Because guess what? He don't cut. I can't put him in the darker spot because he can't elevate. Yeah, so what? So what do I do? Do I do I do. Is he gonna be a catch and shoot guy? Is it gonna be Thompson?

[Joe Johnson]

He's gotta go back to some of that. He can't be a ball dominant guard anymore. Not in no. Damn. 37 years old man. It's a young man's game, bro.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hold on, Joe. Then he ain't got the legs to be able to do anything else.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he could catch it. He could catch a shoe. Ain't like he can't make no shot. He could catch a shoot. Hey, listen, he just ain't gonna be high usage guy. Meaning, hell, he'll probably be that at about 16, 17 points a game. Like he ain't gonna be in no 23, 25 points a game no more now.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Okay, hold on. But if he, if he playing off the ball, right? And he'll catch a shoot guy, he giving 16, 17 doing that. Well, hell, he doing that right now with the ball in his hands. But we still get the same person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, hey, maybe we cut down on his turnovers by not having the ball in hands.

[Joe Johnson]

There you go. Seriously.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So maybe, maybe that, maybe that 16 to 20 that he give us now, minus the five to seven turnovers.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. I. I don't know. I know, man, It's. It's hard. It's. You know, it's just hard to watch when you just. When it seems like guys out there dogging and giving you piss. Poor effort, bro. I mean, that's it. Like, I can live. I can live with us not making shots, but getting out work. You can. That's just. That's something you can bring every game, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, you know this. Joe, it is really, really hard for a great player to see himself as something other than great. That's why when great players fall off, they normally go role play. Ocho, think about it. Role players, guys play 14, 15 years, started 10 games. But you have to understand, Joe and I know you and Ocho, we understand this. When you a great player, they still expect greatness. They don't give a damn if you. The same thing with LeBron. They hold LeBron at 41 to the same standard, at 27, at 30, at 33 and 35, they're gonna hold James Harden to that same standard. So why do you say, man, he can't. He can't pound the ball like that. He 37. That's not what they're expecting because they're paying him to be that guy. You don't give somebody $30 million, say, well, you know, hey, you know, we're gonna get him, you know, try to get him like 10 to 12 shots a game because he's not the most efficient player.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, hey, that high usage rate, man, had them turnovers high as hell, too. It's hard to win without them. Damn turnover. So you got to cut down some of that, man. Hey, as you age, bro, you got to change your game up a little bit if you want to continue to play. Play this game. I know he. I know he'll top the scoring list. But you, You. You got to. You got to change your game, bro, to continue to play this game at a higher age.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you do. But it's hard, Joe. But it's hard, Joe, man, I had this ball. Hey, hey, Joe. Was it hard for you to go from getting 22 shots a night in Atlanta, then all of a sudden you at Miami, like, damn, boy, I gotta make this. Yeah, yeah, let me try to get me about four or five layups in this thing. Cause I ain't for. Hey, they gonna snatch me if I shoot too much and they don't go in you. Hey, Joey, have no regard. Don't come on that fan come back down, get another one. You start getting older. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, hey, ISO.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they. They look at you different, Ocho. I'm like, oh, hey, I started to get old. I'm. Hey, I remember when I first. At my prime, I'm looking at that play sheet, I'm like, first 15, I'm like, damn, boy, 84 all over this thing. Okay, like, yeah, okay. First drive, like two, maybe we eight. We get a touchdown and we get. We don't go in. I got about two or three more. I'm looking at the first two, three drives. Ojo, bad catching right now.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, hey, you start adding up your yards and all

[Shannon Sharpe]

this is a 10 yard route. Hey, if I just fall down, that's 13 yards right there, okay? I break a tackle 20, boy, hey, I go and come back. First 15, got one play with Sharp on it, and then I might be the second option. Hell, I ain't even.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, listen, I know exactly what you mean, but here's what I'm saying, bro. I ain't had no ego when I was playing Uncle Ocho. Like, I thoroughly enjoyed the game, bro. So, you know, if I have to adapt, cool, I can do that. I've adapted so many times throughout my career that it didn't matter. Hell, I didn't. I wasn't shooting that many shots until I got to Atlanta. I played off a lot of the great guys, you know what I mean? So then when I did leave Atlanta and went to Brooklyn and I'm playing with D Will, Brooke Lopez, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, I already knew how to fit in. And make it work. You know what I mean? And yeah, when I went to Miami, of course my shots are going to be limited, but I'm gonna make them. I'm gonna make them count. High efficiency rate. I ain't gonna be taking a lot of wild shots, a lot of unorthodox shots. I'm gonna make all of them count. So look, the. If I was used to getting 15 to 17, now I know I'm only getting about eight to 10 shots. I'm making them. I'm making them count, fellas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So how many step back threes were you taking in that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you know he gotta get by three or three.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Hey, you, you.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. You only get to shoot them step backs if you done made a couple in a row and you know you feel hot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You think you man, you look.

[Joe Johnson]

You think you just gonna come down and you out of rhythm, ain't got a bucket. And your first shot gonna be a high, high sidestep that step back three.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I get it. But Joe is hard, man.

[Joe Johnson]

I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about how long he was the man. Think about it. You had to learn how to play in the beginning in Boston not being the man. You had to learn how to play in Phoenix not being the man. And then you go, because so now you had already known how to play without being the man. It's easier. Just imagine James Harden had the highest usage rate. Year after year after year, I've been the guy I can shoot. There's not a shot that I can't take and nobody look at me. Crazy. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It's different now, bro. Man, it's real talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At his age, we looking at it every day. Do he see that it's different? That is the question. It doesn't matter what you nightcap me. You and Ocho think. What does this think? I think.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

I think he sees it, Uncle Joe. Because when you watch the film, it's right. That's what I'm trying to say about it. The eye in the sky don't lie.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't lie, man.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

You as a player, you got to come to a realization. You know what? I'm not the same as as I. As I once was. But I got to find a way to navigate it. I got a way. Got to find a way to evolve my game and be able to adapt. Being that I'm not as. As twitchy as I. As I was, my first step is not as quick as it used to be. I can't get people off the spot the way I Used to back in the day. So now I got to figure out other ways to do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, everybody, well, he did this okc, everybody. Can't be a head coach, have success, win a championship. Being a head coach and then all of a sudden go back to being sister.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to realize who James Harden was. I don't think y' all realize that. Y' all just looking at him as a guy. He was not a guy. He was the guy.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

He ain't regular.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now you're gonna ask him. You're gonna like, hold on. You're gonna like, hold on. You macro managing me now.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A top 75 player, a many times scoring championship.

[Joe Johnson]

We get all that. We get all that. We get all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

We gotta pull the reins back a little bit though. You know you want to. Hey, hey, you about to be 37. You want to play until you 40. Amen. You're gonna have to live with this. 16 to 18 points a night, high efficiency rate. You know, we bring in some help, but man, you can't keep going in. You can't keep going in season after season as. As he keep aging, thinking, oh yeah, well, he gonna be back at 25, 27 points a night. That ain't happening, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, but the next. Now let's get to the Knicks.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, let's go. I told you, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I told you they the cab. 20 points, that's the most in the playoff run. Jalen Bronson. Jalen Brunson wins Eastern Conference finals MVP Walt Frazier presented him the Larry Bird trophy. Brunson took $113 million pay cut in the summer. 2024. The Knicks used that cap space to add cat Mikhail Bridges and extend OG and noby. And now they are a legit championship contending team. Brunson all time gamble paid off. The New York Knicks are headed to the NBA finals. The Knicks have won their closeout games this postseason by an average of 39.3. That is the greatest margin in NBA history. The last time the Knicks were in the finals, Jalen Brunson was 2, OG Anunoby was 1. Josh Hart was 4. Carl Anthony Towns was 3. Mikhail Bridges was 2.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, so they don't, they don't know nothing about the biggest being in the finals. Somebody had to tell them they don't remember nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Hey, you. Hey. Hey. Can you imagine somebody coming on your front porch, knocking on your door, say, hey Ocho, come outside. I got this ass whooping lined up for you. They come on your front porch, what you gonna do? Boy, you gonna fight like hell on your front porch. Ain't your man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, every dog fight hard in his own yard. You know that joke?

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, we'll make it even worse. Joe, is think about if it's in today's society, if in today's area, somebody come on your porch. And you know, people like that, you know what they got got ready, too? They got these cameras out. Oh, you wait. I'm gonna go viral. Oh, I'm. Well, I'm fighting for my life. I'm fighting for my life. You know what else in the background, you don't want to hear nobody scream World star. What? Oh, hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I'm fighting my life. Hey, when somebody come to your home and they start to get getting crazy, what do you tell them? Man, don't disrespect my house now. Don't disrespect me in my house. You let them mofos come to your house and disrespect you. Go use the bathroom. Don't flush. Put their feet up on it. But come on. Come on now. Hey, they don't spray. They don't do no spray. They don't do nothing. Got their shoes on. You don't told them to take the shoes off at the door. They got their shoes on and they walk across your grass to get in the house. Nah. Hell nah, man. Man, this was embarrassing, but the Knicks, they got balance scoring. I mean, they had what, six guys in double figures. Josh Hart with his. Josh Hart only took five shots, but he had 11 rebounds, six assists, two steals, six points. OG do what OG does. Catch. Cat has been phenomenal this postseason. 19 points. Another double double. 19 points, 14 rebounds. Mikhail Bridges. Mikhail Bridges had his worst game today. He finally. He finally looks human, Joe.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he finally looked human. Hey, 4 of 16. He was 66 for the free throw line. 3. Brunson 6 or 14, but they didn't need it. I mean, think about it. You got 18 minutes. Mitchell Robinson got 10 rebounds in 18 minutes. Josh Hart got 11 rebounds in 24 minutes. Cat got 14 in 26 minutes.

[Joe Johnson]

And Shannon, Shannon just been balling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, he been on, man, he had his damn mind shooting three.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

What the hell you were four for. Four for.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, he didn't even play in the first series against the Hogs, bro. He didn't touch the flow. I don't remember him even touching the flow, getting in the game. Hey, man, the Knicks got a. They got a lot of guys outside of OG Getting hurt, you know, in his playoffs with that hammy or whatever, whatever it was he had, they probably gonna be the healthiest team in the finals, bro, if we just got to keep it 100.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

And you know what? You know what I'm gonna say, too, Joe? You know, it's a good thing for the next two is the fact that they got that boxing match going on until about. Ain't no regular. I'm talking about a box heavyweight. They. They beating each other up, right? And why each other up? Hey, now, we get to rest up. We get to. We get to relax. I said so the Knicks are at an advantage, especially once this series does start, because whoever they playing, whether it's the spurs or whether it's a Thunder boy, they gonna be. They gonna be beat the hell up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Based on what I've seen with the Knicks, what we thought would be a foregone conclusion. The Western Conference winner. I ain't so sure anymore, Joe. The Knicks play like this. If the Knicks play like they played the last 10, 11 ball games, they can beat anybody in the West. That includes the Thunder or the Spurs. If they play like they played the last 11 games.

[Joe Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Ocho. Hey, the game just went off, so I'm gonna kind of say y' all prisoners of the moment, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, Joe. Whoa, whoa.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, listen.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

I had the Knicks win the finals, period. What you talking about?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think you're gonna be wrong. I think because Cleveland does not have any perimeter defense at all to guard. Nothing. Can't. Can't guard none of them boys. Them two teams over in the Western Conference, they gonna guard, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But let me ask you a question.

[Joe Johnson]

Could Atlanta guard semi? That's what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did Philly have decent perimeter guys?

[Joe Johnson]

That's why we won two games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So. And think about it. Those two teams out there, they can defend. And guess what? It's two. Two. And can the Knicks defend?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Brunson, I mean, he. Yeah, so what's a liability on defense now?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, but he gonna light somebody ass up on offense.

[Joe Johnson]

I just think. I think. I think that's. I ain't saying he ain't gonna play well first, but I don't think it's gonna be easy for him. Like it was this series that. I mean, right?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

That last series.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, who they played? Philly. Yeah. Hey, Ocho. Damn, he went to college in Philly. That's like going home. He felt good. He felt good in Philly. Hell,

[Shannon Sharpe]

put Up.

[Joe Johnson]

No, damn. We ain't talking about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, and you talk about both teams gonna be banged up, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they gonna be banged up, but they still gonna have some guys who can go. Listen, if they play the spurs, they. I'm gonna be real with you. The Knicks might not win a game.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Oh, here we go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe. I'm not saying the Knicks gonna win, but I'm saying I believe based on what I've seen. Joe, man. And do you know what happens, Joe, when you play with the confidence? Them jokers play with confidence. They believe. They believe. Hey, I'm get Mike Brown. Give Mike Brown credit. He's got him playing on the screen. They playing complimentary basketball. Yeah, they rebound the bat. They rebound the basketball at an elite level.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, Uncle Joe, as great as the spurs are, Castle and Versaille being able to sit in that chair, play defense, obviously that goddamn alien Wimby, as great as the Thunder are, especially defensively, being able to do it by committee, especially probably having the deepest bench, I still got the Knicks winning for some reason. For some reason, I think this is the next year, which is why I continue to pick the Knicks since the playoff started, every time. And I've been right, Joe. And Joe, and the fact that I've been right the entirety of the playoffs and the fact that you still are going against the Green yet again, Joe Johnson, you know, I mean, it's beyond. Despite. Despite your ball knowledge.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, I. I love the energy and effort that the Knicks play with. I love seeing Bridges and Heart and og Them guys out there guarding they butt off. Picking up full court.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

They made it tough as hell on Donovan and James this whole series, but guess what? Them teams in that west, they gonna match their energy, partner. You know what I mean? I'm talking about picking up full court, making you uncomfortable, like the Cavs weren't doing nothing. They picking their man up at half court.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Why?

[Joe Johnson]

The Knicks was dogging them the whole game. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be a different story, bro. I'm telling you, it's gonna be a different story in the finals. Kudos to the Knicks for making it. It's gonna be great for basketball. I'm sure New York City is going crazy right now, but it's this. This thing ain't gonna be as sweet as y' all think now.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, no, hey, we didn't say. Joe, we didn't say it was gonna be sweet. I'm just telling you, you bases off. I'm not gonna say analytics, but you're using common sense and logic, using basketball knowledge. And the fact that you're using basketball knowledge, that's why you've been wrong the whole time. Okay, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, the thing.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

The Knicks are gonna shock the world. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Knicks did beat the spurs in the Cup. The NBA cup. Yeah, beat them. Now last year we saw Indiana take them seven games.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now do we believe Indiana is that much better than the Knicks are this year? Or was it just a magical run?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

A magical run.

[Joe Johnson]

Could have been a. Could have been.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I think, I think Mike Brown has said, hold on, they're not unbeatable. They play defense. Look, you got OG that could defend. Mikhail Bridges is going to probably start on Shea. He's a long, wiry, rangy guy. Quick feet, heart a hard on Hardenstein. He like, hey, man, I just guarded Evan Mobley. He has better offensive game. Now, he might not hustle, he gonna do a great job. But I can tell you this, Josh, hard hustle too. He understands that. He's playing a guy that just has a motor just like he does. But I'm out working.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, the difference is I don't think them guys can stop Shay from getting to his spots. And they ain't got no damn WIMBY back there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, you're right.

[Joe Johnson]

They ain't gonna have. They ain't got no damn women back there. So them now they can get back to regular schedule programming. Now we can get in here and shoot our normal shots, our pull ups, our floaters, getting into the lane for laying all.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

So now you just totally disrespecting the Knicks now that's basically disrespecting the Knicks, bro. Oh, so now hold on, hold on. You saying, okay, we didn't got past the spurs or the, or the, or the Thunder got past the spurs and the spurs get past Thunder now because they playing the Knicks now. They get back to their register program. So you're just saying they chop level

[Joe Johnson]

the Thunder get back now? I'm saying that the spurs has something nobody else has. Hell

[Shannon Sharpe]

yeah, you're right. I mean, Wimby, Wimby is, is, is, is a cheap condition. Whatever. Yeah, whatever you want to call it. But I'm telling you, man, Brunson's a Bronson's. Hey, Bronson gonna get to his spot too now, you know, he can draw some files too now with that left of that herky jerky motion. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they call him big Body Brunson for a reason. He know how to use that body to create some space. Now you can do that with the best of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put that shoulder into you just like Shay. Create that separation. And the thing is, he left handed, man. You know them left it. They crafty. For the fourth year in a rows, the Eastern Conference champion had lost in the Eastern Conference the year before. The Knicks in 2026. They lost to the. The. The Pacers last year in 25. They lost in 24, the Celtics lost in 23, and the Heat lost in 22. So I guess Cleveland, y' all next? Not.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, bro, go back to Cleveland. You're gonna be rooting for Cleveland, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll be rooting for Brian.

[Joe Johnson]

You got. You gonna have to root for Cleveland.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I go today. I guess I have to, you know, pull my old land. My land bronze jersey out my T shirt. But this is the man. This is the best. And look, I. I'm happy for Mike Brown, you know, that he got an opportunity. I don't know why they fired that man in Sacramento. I don't. I don't know, Joe. I don't know. And.

[Joe Johnson]

And

[Shannon Sharpe]

hey, I don't know Doug Christie, but I know he played for the organization. But it seemed like they. They were not. They were not better under Doug Christie than they were Mike Brown. And Mike Brown had just took them to the playoffs. As a matter of fact, didn't they go like seven games? It ended up losing to us. Steph, when Steph had that historic 50, that great game seven.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you talking about Sacramento When. When they had defoxed the bonus now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, think about it. Defox wanted to leave Sabonas. Sabonis has been hurt lately. I don't know what they got going on over there.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't either.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't either.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Here's a video of Donovan McDonald McNabb. I want to say Donald McNabb so bad. Donovan Mitchell going off on the calves in the second quarter, down by 20. Let's look at the video.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, D. Mitch, if you see this, bro, don't even sweat it, man. You and Coco Jones, man, y' all gonna go on y' all nice vacation, you know what I'm saying? Hey, hey, hey. You came to play tonight. I don't know what the hell the motherboard was doing, though.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

He did and he was snapping on that sideline.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, not enough. Too late.

[Joe Johnson]

They were down 20 in the second quarter. Fellas at home,

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

hey, they were packed up once.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Once, you know, they got out to that great start. Donovan hit a couple of threes, you know, got to the basket, did the swipe over the top once. The knick weathered that two minutes and they go on their own 12. Nothing run, there's a wrap. You ain't seen them until like they kicked up dud kick number dust up

[Joe Johnson]

in the eyes, it seemed like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's. Look, I'm just saying, man, these guys, man, it. I don't know, man. It don't seem like losing hurt people enough anymore, man. Man, I'm telling you, man, that is bothering me, man. We lose, I couldn't sleep.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think I'm playing all the play, man. Damn, I could have did this. I'm thinking I'm replaying all this issue in my mind. It don't hurt enough people to lose. So it tells me if it don't hurt you enough to lose, you ain't put a damn enough into it. Because I promise you, somebody lose money, it hurt them. Don't know. Oh, you say if I lose 25, you know why I hurt? Because you know how hard you work for that damn money.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

damn, you right, man. It's just, you know, when you at home, bro, in the end of postseason and then got this far Eastern Conference finals and to come out there and just get a fans, that that piss poor effort, bro. I couldn't believe it. I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm talking about from To. To start the game. I couldn't believe it. You know, the Knicks just was. I'm talking about scoring that will. And then it seems like once. Once the Cavs get down, they comeback. Game ain't about nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Crack. Yep, they crack.

[Joe Johnson]

They come back gaming about nothing. It's like everybody just start. Like, oh, what's going on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, everybody start trying to go one on one. Everybody like, well, hey, we already down 10, 15. Hell, let me get my shots.

[Joe Johnson]

When them damn turnover started happening, next thing you know, you're down 30.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly out there getting run outs. Alvarado come in, get a run out. Butcher cop steal the ball, get a run out.

[Joe Johnson]

I said, man, Nick's partying right now as we speak.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, can you imagine what New York like?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, my God.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause they had the police.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they getting ready. They know. Check them out.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

God golly.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man, they know the Knicks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What they should have did, Joe, is charged 10 people to come into the game and watch the game on the big screen at msg.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they could have made a little money from there. They packed. They packed it up. They probably had something going on up there.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

I like, that's dope. That's dope. Hey, when they. When they. When they win the finals. Yeah, I'm going. I'm going to New York to celebrate with the boys because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, how you going to celebrate?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey. Because I. Hey, I picked them boys. Playoff started. Y' all everybody laughing at me. Joe, he. Every time I pick the Knicks, Joe go opposite of me, and he talk about why they gonna lose.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't lost.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, here we go again.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

You know. You know, the finals coming up. He's still picking whether it's the spurs of the Thunder. He's still picking against the goddamn Knicks. He learned a lesson.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, don't get your ass trampled down there, man. Going, yeah, it'd be like, junior don't get that.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Oh, no, I'm be good. I think I blended. I blended so well, they wouldn't even know. I put up a New York hat, you know, put on a nice little jersey. That is dope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I tell you what. When we win the Super Bowl, I'm definitely going to celebrate who win. Ah, damn.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, I was gonna say that. Who you talk about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know you. Don't you say a word.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. You said when you win the Super Bowl.

[Joe Johnson]

He talking about the Ravens. He gotta be talking about the Raven.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It don't matter. I got two teams.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

No, you don't. You Got. You got one team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you do that, man?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Dude, you played for the Ravens for one week. You steady somebody.

[Joe Johnson]

And he's slick, too. Cause it depends on who win that day. That's who he going for. I already. I see what he got going on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I got two teams, Joe. I mean, I won with both teams, man. I mean, what you want me to do, Joe? You want me to renounce my. I mean, look here. I'm a guy that got dual citizenship. I mean, you know, sometimes you could be born blood place and get American citizenship, and you got Nigeria citizenship. I got dual citizenship.

[Joe Johnson]

That's two hell of a teams to have, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm sorry, Ocho. Your team, the Guppies and the Bungles. I'm sorry.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Don't worry about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you already know the Guppies. You ain't gonna be celebrating nothing in Miami. The guppy's gonna be pissed.

[Joe Johnson]

He ain't even gonna go to no games this year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't blame him.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, listen, honestly, if you look at. If you look at the league in itself, There may be eight teams out of the 32, right? There are eight teams that are competing to lift that Lombardi. Everybody else is just trying to make as much money as they can this season. I'm just being honest. That's. That's what it comes down to. Because, you know, your team is not constructed to compete at the highest level, to even think about the goddamn playoffs or race or raising that damn trophy. You're just not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, somebody. You can't have two teams. Yeah, I can. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, I go to undergrad. I get my degree. Undergrad at Harvard. Yes, sir, But I get my post grad from Yale, so what am I supposed to do?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Wherever you started first, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So what did Yale. Yale got my money, too.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Yeah, but it doesn't. I understand that part, but wherever you start that journey, that is always your team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do realize, in order, you have to start a new journey if you get a postgraduate degree also. Right?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

I understand that, but when your journey first starts, when you're thinking about getting that degree is the one you always latch on to. That's just the way it goes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they don't go like that.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

You can't make up your own rules, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, it can.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

The first team you played for, that is your team now, if you just have it, is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I support the Broncos when the. As long as the Ravens don't play the Broncos, I'm rooting for the Ravens.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Okay. All right.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, he's slick with it now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, ain't no Snake, Ocho. I mean, Joe. Damn.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Real slick with it, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you ri.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You real Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Flip, floppish.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. You win a championship with Phoenix, but you have your best year. So let's just say for the sake of argument that year that you got hurt. Y' all win the championship, but you go on to play with Atlanta. What you doing?

[Joe Johnson]

What you mean, what I'm doing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you doing? So you not going back? So when. When the Phoenix. You're not gonna celebrate?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, oh, are you a Phoenix sun or you Atlanta Hawk? Cause you got the name ISO with the Hawks. So what you doing?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm running with both. I'm running with both,

[Shannon Sharpe]

champ. Y' all hear what this man say? This man told me he running with both.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm saying I'm gonna chill. I'm gonna cheer for both. You know what I mean? I'm a cheerful bow. I'm a cheerful bowl, but I see. I didn't see. I haven't seen some of the moves you'd have made, though. I know how you moving out here, you know what I mean? I seen. I seen the Broncos go down and the Ravens win, and you all Raven. I seen the Ravens play bad. They doing all them damn fumbles and all that. He act like he don't know nothing about the Raven no more.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, Flip Floppy.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, here you go. Hey.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. When it comes to the Bangles, win or loss, I'm right there. I'm right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't a whole lot of weed going on.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, Joe, I don't piggyback on. I don't piggyback on the wingman success. I don't piggyback on none of that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Baltimore bmo. Y' all see that right there?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do they say, hey, the Bingo send y' all to send you stuff like this?

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Hey, Unc, I got a key to the building, man. Don't play with me. I got a key to the building. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, I got.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

I got the. I got the code to still get in the lock.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is my key right here, Joe. Well, hey, how you doing, Shannon? Hey, you. Remember you in high school, how you took your feet, your picture on your.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Oh, yeah,

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shannon Sharp, singer, tight end.

[Joe Johnson]

Check it out. Check it out. Or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or you. Hey. Or you at homecoming, you hold that back up for the all like this here.

[Chad 'Ochocinco' Johnson]

Joe O. Joe Why can't I can't wait to football. I can't wait to football season. I can't wait the football season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, you should be able to wait.

[Joe Johnson]

Cowboys, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I already know y' all gonna be some y'. All.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay, all right.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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