Nightcap Hour 2: Draymond Green RECRUITING PITCH to LeBron + Heat EYEING Russell Westbrook + Tim Hardaway Sr. TAKES ISSUE With Players Podcasts + Stefon Diggs CLAIMS He’s BEST WR #2

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Draymond Green’s Recruiting Pitch to LeBron, NBA/Heat Rumors, Tim Hardaway Sr. vs. Player Podcasts, Diggs Claims “Best WR #2”

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Guest Appearances: Draymond Green, Joe
Date: July 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Nightcap, Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson dive deep into the NBA’s ongoing free agency summer, dissect rumors about major player moves, and debate the legacy of current and former NFL/NBA stars. Highlights include Draymond Green’s recruiting pitch for LeBron to join the Warriors, heated Miami Heat rumors (and potential for Russell Westbrook), Tim Hardaway Sr.’s beef with current players hosting podcasts, as well as Stefon Diggs’ “Best WR #2” claim. Throughout, the conversation is energetic, personal, and laced with stories and candid takes.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. Draymond Green’s Recruiting Pitch to LeBron James ([03:49]–[05:00])

• Draymond Green describes his pitch:
  “I was being brothers, I’d be remiss if I don’t take the opportunity to throw my pitch in there. …with the things that I shared in it, I believe it definitely is going to make the brain work a little bit. …If I don’t think there’s a decision that’s been made, but say if there was, it’ll make you think twice about it, you know.” — Draymond Green [03:55]

• Speculation heats up:
  Multiple Western Conference execs expect LeBron may sign with the Warriors (over the Cavaliers), with Chad and Joe breaking down why the Warriors — loaded with shooting — make the most sense for LeBron at this stage of his career.

  • Chad Johnson on LeBron’s ideal roster:
    “When LeBron James won championships, what did—was he surrounded by? Shooters… Guys that can knock down open shots. Who can knock down better open shots than one Wardell Stephen Curry?” — Chad Johnson [05:21]

• Miami Heat’s alternative pitch:
  Ocho rattles off Miami’s arsenal of shooters, suggesting that with additions like Wiggins, Tim Hardaway Jr., and possibly Klay Thompson, Miami could be an equally compelling destination.

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2. LeBron’s Future, Legacy, and Late-Career Decision-Making ([06:51]–[19:16])

• Who gets LeBron? Warriors, Heat, or Cavaliers?
  Panel weighs Miami vs Golden State vs. a potential Cleveland reunion (with Kyrie Irving)—with Ocho noting only LeBron and his circle know the real answer.

• Comparisons to Tom Brady & Peyton Manning:
  Chad draws parallels between greats seeking one last championship run, highlighting the importance of situational fit (“You think Tom Brady was going to go somewhere that didn’t give him a chance to championship? The same thing with Peyton Manning…” — Chad Johnson [14:52]).

• Aging and greatness:
  Conversation about how rare it is for a player like LeBron to compete for titles into his 40s, with multiple references to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

  • Quote:
    “He got one to two years to play. He’s not playing more than two years. Maybe this is his last year. …42 and 43 year old as the second, first, second or third best player on the team. …You don’t normally win championship with those.” — Chad Johnson [10:04]

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3. Heat Rumors: Russell Westbrook as Plan B ([30:34]–[32:46])

• Stefan Bondi reports: Heat might target Westbrook if LeBron heads elsewhere.
• Ocho’s take:
  “Russell Westbrook as a spark, probably… coming off the bench would be great. His energy is infectious. It would be good for the Heat culture.” — Ocho [31:03]
• Joe’s concerns:
  Fit issues—Westbrook isn’t ideal off-ball, especially with a star like Giannis potentially dominating possessions.

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4. Old School Basketball: Barkley, Ray Allen & Intensity of 80s–90s NBA ([33:12]–[39:58])

• Reapplication of context for NBA greatness:
  Panel discusses Ray Allen’s evolution from complete player to specialist and Barkley’s dominance despite being listed (generously) at 6’6".
• The "old NBA":
  Long stories on toughness, physical play, and enforcer roles (Rodman, Oakley, McDaniel, Danny Ainge, etc.), plus nostalgia for a more combative era.

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5. Tim Hardaway Sr. vs. Players Podcasting ([40:01]–[44:43])

• Hardaway Sr.’s stance:
  “I feel like you’re disrespecting these other teams. …David Stern would have said, hell, no, we’re not doing that.”
• Joe’s perspective:
  “If you podding and you playing well, fine and dandy. …But if y’all getting y’all brakes blew out every damn game, man, folks gonna be looking at you crazy” — Joe [41:10]
• Chad & Joe agree: Consistency is key and emotions from wins/losses deeply affect content; tough to maintain as a pro.

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6. Locker Room Dynamics, “Heat Culture,” and Tyler Herro Controversy ([53:57]–[58:36])

• Tim Hardaway Sr. calls out Tyler Herro:
  For not being “all the way Heat,” particularly after Herro’s comments about Bam Adebayo.
• Panel’s reaction:
  Discuss how franchise favorites (“some teams favor some players over others…some parents favor some kids over others”) impact team dynamics. Highlight how Bam is consistently untouchable in trade talks.

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7. Keeping the Main Thing, the Main Thing ([59:19]–[63:17])

• On athlete branding vs. core focus:
  “You can never forget—Oh, I do podcast. …If you weren’t in the NBA, if you weren’t in the NFL, how many people you think gonna be watching? You got to keep the main thing the main thing. Don’t lose sight of that.” — Chad Johnson [60:08]

• Culture clashes, New England example:
  Ochocinco shares how some organizations (like New England) demand you check your ego at the door—contrast with other teams where personal brand is more accepted.

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8. WR2 Debate: Stefon Diggs Claims He’s the Top “Number Two” Wide Receiver ([70:57]–[74:46])

• Stefon Diggs proclaims:
  “Free agent Stefan Diggs says he’s the best wide receiver number two in the NFL, and no one is better than him. Name your number two receiver right now. And is he better than me?” — Chad Johnson quoting Diggs [70:57]
• Hosts debate top WR2s:
  • Names from Dallas, Cincinnati, Minnesota, Rams identified as possible counter-examples.
  • Ocho: “There’s truth to that. …Even coming off ACL injury and having a thousand yards…he’d be good in Baltimore, in Cleveland.” — [71:48]
  • Joe: “Once you start bouncing around, it’s hard for you to…that’s how people look at you now. …You’re a journeyman.” — [73:01]
  • Consensus: Skill is there, but with career movement, perception shifts.

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9. Eagles Receiver Room, T.O. vs. AJ Brown Debate ([75:16]–[79:47])

• T.O. says:
  With AJ Brown gone, there’s no drop-off: “He’s [DeVonta Smith] always been number one guy, even when AJ was here… leadership… going to bring those guys along.” — T.O. via Chad Johnson [75:16]
• Hosts agree:
  • AJ Brown is great, but T.O. puts himself (and Jerry Rice, Randy Moss) in an untouchable tier.
  • Ocho: “Ain’t nobody in NFL history is better than T.O. unless you want to bring up Randy Moss and Jerry Rice.” — [77:16]
  • Shannon: “Jerry’s number one. …22,000 yards, 1500 catches, 193 receiving touchdowns. …What are we even talking about?” — [77:34]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Draymond Green pitching LeBron:
  “Of course I did that. And, of course, the pitch was crazy. …Does it change anything? Does it make anything happen? I don’t know. I hope so.” [03:55]

• Legacy pressure:
  “When you’re the number one overall draft pick…and they got ‘chosen one,’…do you know how much pressure when they call you the great one?” — Chad Johnson [20:51]

• On Barkley:
  “He was an animal. …Barkley was his own enforcer.” — Chad Johnson [36:01, 38:47]

• On player podcasts during a losing streak:
  “All of a sudden, y’all go cold spatch and all of a sudden, podcast—where the podcast?” — Chad Johnson [41:38]

• On BAM Adebayo’s status in Miami:
  “Over the last five or six years…when they talk about trading players, the one name that’s ever untouchable has been Bam.” — Chad Johnson [57:23]

• Stefon Diggs’ WR2 claim:
  “Name your number two receiver right now. And is he better than me?” — Chad Johnson quoting Diggs [70:57]

• Wide Receiver GOAT list:
  “Jerry’s number one. …22,000 yards, 1500 catches, 193 receiving touchdowns.” — Chad Johnson [77:34]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Draymond Green's pitch to LeBron: [03:49]–[05:00]
• Warriors vs. Heat roster breakdowns: [05:12]–[06:51]
• Rumors: LeBron’s next team: [08:29]–[10:04]
• Aging legends, Tom Brady comparisons: [12:37]–[14:52]
• Westbrook to the Heat possibility: [30:34]–[32:46]
• NBA toughness flashbacks (Barkley era): [33:12]–[39:58]
• Tim Hardaway Sr. on player podcasts: [40:01]–[44:43]
• Locker room culture/Bam-Tyler Herro: [53:57]–[58:36]
• Stefon Diggs WR2 debate: [70:57]–[74:46]
• AJ Brown/TO Eagles WR debate: [75:16]–[79:47]

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Episode Highlights

• Draymond Green openly lobbies for LeBron to join the Warriors, dropping hints about the recruiting process and team fit.
• The Nightcap crew riff extensively on Miami’s and Golden State’s build as potential LeBron landing spots, emphasizing shooting and culture.
• The Heat’s potential Plan B—Russell Westbrook—is dissected, with the panel curious but skeptical about fit.
• Stirring debate erupts around Tim Hardaway Sr.’s criticism of player podcasts, leading to reflections on team distraction and fan consistency.
• NFL segues include a spirited ranking of Stefon Diggs among “number two” receivers and nostalgia for T.O., Randy Moss, and Jerry Rice as the WR all-time elite.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode delivered classic Nightcap banter—real talk from ex-pros, peppered with nostalgia, storytelling, contemporary rumors, and authentic athlete perspectives. From the big summer NBA moves to the unfiltered takes on locker room culture and football hierarchy, Shannon Sharpe, Ochocinco, Draymond Green and friends keep sports fans deeply entertained and in-the-know.

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[Chad Johnson]

Pittsburgh LeBron James on their golfing trip. Let's take a listen to what Drake and his recruiting pitch was.

[Draymond Green]

And and and I was being brothers, I'd be remiss if I don't take the opportunity to throw my pitch in there. You know, I'd be crazy if we're together for X amount of days and at no point I like yo, we need to chop it up like what the hell going on? What's what we doing? And so there's that of course I did that. And of course the pitch was crazy. Like since I think I'm pretty decent at it. Does it change anything? Does it make anything happen? I don't know. I hope so. With the things that I shared in it, I I believe it definitely is going to make the make the brain work a little bit, you know, if I don't think there's a decision that's been made but say if there was, it'll make you think twice about it, you know. And so that's that

[Chad Johnson]

multiple and today, according to Front office sports. Multiple Western conference executives expect LeBron James will sign with the warriors over the Cavaliers.

[Joe]

Wow.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe. Who is saying that, Joe?

[Joe]

Hey, yeah, I think I heard you utter that or something. You may have said something like that.

[Chad Johnson]

All things being equal, Joe, all things being equal, the warriors make more sense than anybody. Because what. When LeBron James won championships, what did. Was he surrounded by shoe tuners?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Badier, Rio, Mike Miller. Mike Miller, Kyle Korver.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

J.R. smith.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Guys that. Danny Green, Caldwell, Pope. Yeah, Guys that can knock down open shots. Who can knock down better open shots than one Stefan Wardell. Excuse me, Wardell. Stephen Curry.

[Ocho]

That's just one person. But let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about the Heat.

[Joe]

Oh, here he go.

[Ocho]

Got Wiggins, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

You know he's 40 from 3, huh?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Would you rather take. I tell you what, Ocho. Would you rather take Wiggins 40 from three?

[Ocho]

Let me finish. Okay, we got Tim Hardaway Jr. Yeah. Another shooter.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

And we got Young Bull.

[Chad Johnson]

We got Davion Mitchell.

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Davion Mitchell.

[Ocho]

Well, no, he the point, ain't he?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he can shoot, though. I mean, he's okay. He ain't great.

[Ocho]

We got somebody else coming, though.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you got Clay Thompson coming, huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Joe. Y' all listen to me now when I'm talking now, you know, people be he and haha and thinking I'm lying, and I've been right off all year long.

[Chad Johnson]

We've got about Ray Allen, Ocho. I mean, Joe. Oh, Joe and Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, in Miami. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Shooters. That's. That's when he thrives at his best. He wants shooters around him because he knows the double team's going to come. And guess what? The double team doesn't come because they're attached to those shooters now. He can get downhill more freely. Kevin Love revamped his game to become what? A shooter. People don't realize Kevin Love was 24 and 12 every night. I don't think people realize just how great Kevin Love was. He was on a Hall of Fame trajectory.

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[Chad Johnson]

With no championships in Minnesota, but he was 24 and 12 every night. Kevin Love was getting 30 points and 20 rebounds every night. Kevin Love was him. He revamped this game because he realized that was what's best for the team. Very, very, very unselfish.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, you got a great point. When he's surrounded by those shooters, it makes everybody stay home, and it opens up the floor. For him to be able to operate, navigate and score, make plays, post up. And that's how you control the game. Especially in the post season when the game starts to slow down a little bit. Uncle Ocho and you like, look, boom, we gotta get something good. We didn't have two, three possessions dead. Possessions to where we hadn't got anything. Shit, Chad, you mean, tell me, boy, you put him and that boy Wardell on the same team? Huh?

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, y' all saw it. You saw at the Olympics. Y' all saw it.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Tony Baker used to say, you see it. Okay.

[Joe]

Hey, Ojo, what's up? I ain't gonna leave y' all out. Cause there's still a few teams I like. Scenarios I've been hearing. Yeah, him, him obviously going to Miami. I just think it's kind of plug and play.

[Chad Johnson]

He. He'll look good.

[Joe]

South beach, great weather year round. I mean, damn, you can't beat that. For real. For real. You know, but the rumblings I've been hearing about trading for Kyrie, him going back to Cleveland with Kyrie, I ain't gonna lie. I kind of like that. I like it.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a whole different all. That's a whole different argument because obviously him and Kyrie works better than him and James Harden.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I just, I, I like it. It sound good to me, man. I want to see it. But how to you, how.

[Chad Johnson]

What's the probability? What's the likelihood of that happening?

[Joe]

Well, I mean, right now it's rumblings, but hell, it's got to come from somewhere.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I'm rumbling to my stomach, growling.

[Joe]

Come home.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a rumbling out here.

[Ocho]

Hey, you, you have all these rumblings, you have all these, these situations that people are speculating that can happen when nobody really knows. Nobody really knows outside of LeBron, Rich Paul, you know their immediate circle, where they know.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, for sure.

[Ocho]

And, and me, I already know how they thinking. I know how LeBron is. He's methodical, he's strategic. He's always two and three steps ahead everybody else. He has everybody waiting. How many more opportunities in life as a basketball player is he going to have these moments where he, where he has the power, he has the one to two years.

[Tab Ramos]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

He got one to two years to play. He's not playing more than two years. Maybe this is his last year. Yeah, you know, look, he doesn't have very many opportunities. 42 and 43 year old as the second, first, second or third best player on the team. You don't normally win championship with those. Has anybody ever looked, Kareem was this old when he played? Because you got to realize Kareem back then, you didn't come out early. You played freshmen, didn't get the opportunity to play. So Kareem came out of school, he was already 21, 22. So by the time he plays 20 years, he's 42 years of age. That's the difference. LeBron comes out of high straight out of high school. He's 18. He turns 19 in December, but he's 18. So that's why he plays 24 at 42. Kareem played 20 years at 42. But the likelihood of those guys playing that length of time is not very likely.

[Joe]

It's not.

[Chad Johnson]

And Kareem was finals MVP in 1985. Listen, like I said, Kareem don't get enough credit. Y' all need to go look at Kareem numbers in the 80 championship. Magic 1, Finals MVP. But look at Kareem Numbers. Go look at Kareem Numbers. I don't. I need y' all to see Kareem Numbers. Y' all, like, hold on. And you'll probably say, well, damn. Magic 1 Finals MVT. Yeah. Because of that 42, 15, 7 game that he had in game six where he played all five positions, he jumped center. Go back and look at Kareem Numbers. Chat. Do me a favor. Go look at Kareem numbers in the finals. The finals in 1980 against the Sixers, and you tell me the guy that puts up those numbers right now, that wouldn't be Finals MVP. Go look at it at 85. Because they lost the first game. They got blown out. They say it's over for Kareem. He's slow. He owe Boston148.114 is known as the Memorial Day Massacre. Kareem with Finals mvp.

[Joe]

Hey, you. You can say what you want. I know you.

[Chad Johnson]

We.

[Joe]

We talked to Rich yesterday, and he said that they were in uncharted waters. Meaning, you know, he. He was saying how it's still a blessing, that LeBron still has a chance to kind of pick and choose where he can and can't go or where he can go. So, man, Listen, I think LeBron is gonna be fueled by this Uncle Ocho, considering the fact that he's gonna go somewhere where he at least has a damn chance to win a title.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? And. And I'm not saying if he don't win a title, it's a. It's A.

[Chad Johnson]

It's.

[Joe]

It's a. Is. It's a bus season. But I know he. He definitely wants to compete for one for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe, I give you a prime example. Everybody talking about don't nobody want. You do realize that when Tom Brady was a free agent, there are a lot of teams that said no. Oh, people don't realize that, but there are a lot of teams that said no. So at that question, and they say, well, you know, nobody wants LeBron. The Thunder don't want him. So why didn't. Why didn't. Why didn't. Why didn't Kansas City? Why didn't. Why didn't Buffalo. Why did the other team with top five quarterbacks? So you said OKC don't want him. Look what OKC got you saying San Antonio don't want him. You said. You say all these teams, but Tom Brady went through the exact same thing. Yeah, Tom Brady, strategically, he went to a team that. What do they have, Ocho? They had two guys that had just come out the Pro bowl defense and.

[Ocho]

And a hell of a deal.

[Chad Johnson]

They had an outstanding defense and two wide receivers that just came out hobo that was starting to get into their prime.

[Ocho]

They had one piece missing, too. The quarterback before that season was the James. 30 and 30, if I'm not mistaken.

[Chad Johnson]

30 and 30. James threw for 3, 3 for 5, 000 yards. All he had to do was not turn the ball over. They knew if they got somebody that could take care of the football, they had a team that could get to and win the Super Bowl. And that's what Tom Brady brought him. Beside the credibility factor, he brought the. He brought the ability to take care of the football. It's hard to win a championship when you turn the football over. I don't give a damn how good you are offensively or how good you are defensively. You turn that ball over, you will get your ass beat every time. It's the same thing, Joe. San Antonio, what cost them games? Turnovers. Late in games.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what cost them the costly turnover. You got the ball, you're up one, and all of a sudden you pass the ball and what you call them, and Castle's not looking. They get the ball, you foul Brunson, you turn the ball over. You can't do that. But the mere fact. It's hard for me to look, do I believe there are some teams that would take LeBron just to sell tickets? Yes. But he knows that's the only reason you don't want to at this Point you'll get at this point. LeBron James has been playing for championships probably since about year five.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So now here I am going to sort of. For the last 19 years, based. For the last 18 years, I've been playing for a championship. Now you want this to be my last year or one of my last year, and you say, you know what? Don't worry about a championship. Make it make sense. You think Tom Brady was going to go somewhere that didn't give him a chance to championship? The same thing with Peyton Manning. There are a lot of teams that didn't want Peyton because. Hold on, bro. You, you coming off this serious injury you missed the last year, Peyton couldn't throw the ball 10 yards. When he wasn't throwing the ball 10 yards. Ask me, Daniel, but guess what? He went to Denver. Guess what Denver had oo an outstanding defense, young one. Receivers, crazy J. Thomas, rest your soul. Julius Thomas, tight end. They had Eric Decker, wide receiver. They had Brandon Stokely, slot machine. They had no Sean Marino, running back. They get Vasquez. They had office attack. They have Ryan Clay, that offensive tackle, one of the best tackles. He's coming off an injury, one of the best tackles in the game. And then you had a young Von Miller. And then John just started putting pieces. Now he goes out and get a key. They drafted Bradley Roby, they get tj. You know what Dallas say, man, we don't need you no more. Demarcus Bronze. John said, we need you. Come on over here. Now, you got demarcus on one side, you got Vaughn on the other.

[Ocho]

Other side.

[Chad Johnson]

You draft Malik Jackson, you draft D. Wolf, you got Trava, Thon and Marshall. Okay. Oh, boy. Whoa, nelly. You got a quarterback. We don't need much. Yeah, we don't need much. Look, there is no guarantee. Look, you, you see guys late in their career, you look at, I mean, Peyton came one year, he led the league in touchdown pass. The next year, lead league in touchdown passes, was an mvp. Tom goes first year there, win the super bowl, out the box, throws for 5,000, one of the three or four best passing game, most fourth or fifth most passing yards in NFL history. Ain't no guarantee. Everybody wants to go out on top, man. Ain't no guarantee. Ain't no guarantee. Everybody want a Michael Strahan. Everybody wants a John Elway. Everybody wants a Peyton Manning. Everybody wants a Jerome Bettis. Jerome Bettas last game was in Detroit. Where's Jerome Bettas from? Detroit.

[Ocho]

Detroit.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

They parked the bus. They parked the bus in the garage. Okay, you're home now, son. Get off. It don't work like that. For every story that you got a stray hand or Elway or a Peyton or Jerome Bettis, by the time. Look, that's Hollywood. See, Hollywood, you can control it because you can write a script that has a. For happy ever after. Yeah. The end. Not in pro sports. Not in pro sports.

[Joe]

I, I, I, But I do think, I think Brian, he'll definitely get to go out on his own terms. Or Uncle Ocho, even though, you know, he's playing up in his 40s. Yeah, he won't be, he won't be a guy who will be sitting around, you know, trying to see if he gonna be able to play his last some odd years. He probably gonna play another. He probably gonna play two more years. I give him two more years. Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

You give him 24, 25?

[Joe]

Yeah, I give him to 25.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, he ain't got no choice but to play for minimum. I mean, I, I just can't, I know he's valuable, but I can't play a 42 year. I, I just can't, Joe. I can't pay a 42 year old 40 million, 50 million.

[Joe]

And that's, and that's what's going, that's what's going to drive him to greatness again, you know what I mean? Because he knows and understands. He's against all odds. He know everybody has counted him out, you know what I'm saying?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like this, he's still, I think that's probably one of the most interesting things about him because that he stays motivated throughout this whole entire career, bro, he's over, he's over exceeded expectations and he's still this man got all the points in the damn world and he's still out here, you know, just adding to it. Like for me, for a guy to continue to go that long, bro, you have to love and enjoy what you do.

[Chad Johnson]

You have to love the game and you love. Look at Tom. He still, he, he never Forgot I'm a 6th round draft pick. All these quarterbacks, the spurgeon wins and the, and all these guys that they took before me, the draw, bro, how could y' all do that? So I'm gonna make y' all pay. He still felt, even after the Super Bowls, he still felt that he didn't get the credit and the respect that he deserved. So guess what? I'm gonna keep playing. I'm gonna keep playing. I'm gonna keep playing and I'm gonna beat you. LeBron came in hyped I think it's harder for what LeBron did. Look, and, and, but I'm telling you, I'm not saying when, I'm just saying the career. Because when you come in as a six round draft pick, Ocho, there ain't no expectations, right? You, you best. Basically you a camp body. You there. So the starting quarterback, the first and second street quarterback, Ocho, don't throw out their arms. That's why they got you there. That's what your job is, Ocho Joe. So the stu started the guy that you're going into the season with. Yeah, they don't blow out their arms. So we need. That's why they bring five, six quarterbacks in there. So your quarterbacks don't throw out their arms. When you're the number one overall draft pick and you're on the COVID of Sports illustrated as a 17 year old and they got chosen one, it's like Gretzky when they called him the great one. Do you know how much pressure when they call you the great One?

[Joe]

Hey, hey.

[Chad Johnson]

And the ones, they say this man air. Now he was the third rep. But they don't start giving the man. They just want Air Jordan. Now all of a sudden you got one name. Kobe, Mike, Shaq Braun, Steph, kd Got initials Manning, Brady, Bro. That level, huh?

[Ocho]

Ocho. Yeah,

[Chad Johnson]

that what it is. O show. Not Ocho single, just Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, the five. Yeah, the five gone.

[Chad Johnson]

What? Hey, what your. Your ladies call you Chad, don't they?

[Ocho]

You know, you know what's funny?

[Draymond Green]

Huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah. She said Chad on every. Everywhere I go, everybody say Ocho. They don't even say the five. I ain't heard Chad from nobody else in a very long time.

[Chad Johnson]

I know. Just your lady called.

[Joe]

You

[Chad Johnson]

call me Ocho.

[Ocho]

I said, even my kids, My kids, they say Ocho.

[Joe]

Your kids call you Ocho?

[Ocho]

Yeah, they either say dad or say, hell no.

[Joe]

My kids.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Hey. They say dad when they. For the ass for money.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

[Ocho]

Regular conversation. They say Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

My two younger kids called me dad. My oldest called me Daddy.

[Draymond Green]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, yeah. They better not call me by my damn name. Yeah, that was disrespect. When I was coming up.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no. Well, you could. But I had some. I had some, some cousins that called their parents by their first name.

[Joe]

Oh, no, sir, man.

[Chad Johnson]

My grand. My grandfather. But you my grand. Boy, I couldn't imagine calling my mama Mary.

[Joe]

Oh, no. Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine calling my man. Please.

[Joe]

Nah, My kid called me Daddy.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is very. No, no, sir. That's. That's a whole different. You couldn't be disrespectful to your parents in front of all the other elderly people, right? They would check you if your parents didn't.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But hey, we. Hey, as y' all heard my brother talk, that was Barney Porter wasn't going for that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, man, that dude would hurt somebody for real.

[Draymond Green]

Hey.

[Joe]

Oh, Joe. Yo, I'm dead at all, my kid. Because here they always want something. My. Hey, hey, my little four year old, he coming out here. Hey, daddy, can you give me some more Roblox? I need something.

[Ocho]

Oh, my goodness. Yours on the Roblox too.

[Joe]

Oh, so he made me play it with him too, bro.

[Ocho]

Hey, man, listen. Little French fry. Little French fry in the Roblox.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Ocho]

Boy, listen, hey, she didn't make me play with her because she got so many sisters that can play. But hey, Roblox. I don't Ain't no telling how much I'm gonna spend on Roblox, man.

[Joe]

Okay, Ocho, my grown ass. I'll be playing Roblox. I had my microphone on one day, you know, it ain't nothing but a little bit of kids five, six, seven years old.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And they could hear me talking. They was like, oh, a grown man is in here. I was like, I forgot. Hey, yeah, my little one, boy, he gonna make me come. He say, dad, where's your iPad? Come on, join me, join me, join me.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, if you want to make a lot of money, find something that kids like. Because guess what? If the kids like it, guess what the parents got to do? Take them or buy it for them. And normally like an animation. That's why animation do so. Does so well. So not only the kids go, what, the parents got to go with them.

[Joe]

Yeah, because they got the. Damn. The new Minions just came out, man. Hell, we got it.

[Ocho]

It came out July 1st. Oh, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Minions. Toy Story. What? The Rock movie. The Rock movie is out.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, I'm some good days boy. Hey, I wouldn't change it for the Moana.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, Moana. The rock movie.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They got a new one.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, man, I love some animation. I used to be animation by myself.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey. On me too. That's why I don't mind going, hell, I can't wait.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, hey, I go sit there by my. I'll be. I'll be in there by myself. I go like at 2 o' clock on a Wednesday.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I tell you what, because you had,

[Chad Johnson]

you got to be careful. You had a big grown ass man sitting in the movie with a bunch of kids. People think you a purr. I go with that little badass in school. They're gonna be talking the whole time. Yeah, yeah. You gotta watch the movie. You gotta watch the movie.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

The kids are there down that movie. They with their friends. They ain't thinking about that damn movie.

[Ocho]

Whenever, whenever Shrek come out, Joe. That's about the first Shrek, the second one and third. I'm first winning line.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

First one in line.

[Chad Johnson]

They need to do a donkey. They done did the puss in booze. They need to do a donkey.

[Joe]

Hey, Murphy.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey.

[Ocho]

Pussy Boost was funny, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Donkey.

[Ocho]

I was Antonio Bandera.

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[Chad Johnson]

Lord Farquhar. Man, they thought. I thought Lord Farquhar was tall as hell. He hopped off that horse. According to Stefan Bondi, the Heat are an option to sign Russell Westbrook, but only if LeBron Justin to come to Miami. Ocho, do you feel. How do you feel about Russ being your second option if you don't sign Braun?

[Ocho]

Braun. I mean, listen, Russell Westbrook as a spark, probably. I'm assuming coming off the bench will be great. His energy, obviously, is infectious. It would be good for the Heat culture. He exemplifies just what that culture is all about. Working hard, playing hard, putting you. Putting your hard hat, putting your construction hat on and going at it every day and giving it everything you have. He has that. That is someone that he. That. That he's always been, and he was fit well in that culture.

[Joe]

I love Westbrook's work ethic, Uncle Ocho. I just don't know, honestly. Because if Bron don't go there, then you gonna get a whole heavy dose of Giannis handling the basketball with Bam.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Joe]

And I just don't see. I mean, obviously, I think Westbrook could fit because he plays hard, he takes the game serious. He's a Hall of Famer. I mean, he a hell of a player, but playing off ball is the biggest thing that concerns me, man. Man, I'll be honest with you. You know what I mean? I know he gonna play the right way, he gonna be a high assist guy, he gonna take care of the

[Draymond Green]

ball,

[Joe]

but I don't think. I think you know how it is. Like some guys playing with Braun, it's tough for them to play with Braun. I think that's the same way with Giannis. I think it's gonna. I think it's some challenges. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think it's some challenges that's gonna come with playing with Giannis, too. And it ain't gonna be as easy and smooth transition if you ain't no good catch and shoot guy.

[Tab Ramos]

Right.

[Joe]

You know, What I'm saying, I know Westbrook can make a damn shot, but Dane is forte. His forte is having that ball, getting down here, running pick and roll, making plays. And I don't. I don't know what that's gonna look like.

[Chad Johnson]

I agree, Joe. That's why Kyle Corver has success. Mike Miller had success. Ray Allen had success. You look at Ray Allen is Ray Allen. Ray Allen is a Hall of Famer, whether he played with LeBron or not. But at that point, at that point of his career, he was more of a shooter. Ray used to handle the ball when he was in Milwaukee, when he was in Seattle. Y' all better go back and check Ray stats. Y' all look at him and talk about, oh, just what he did. Ray played both ends of the court. Ray Allen was like that.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. Ray was in that classic 96 draft class with AI, Stefan Marbury and Kobe and all those guys.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he.

[Joe]

He is one of those guys. I enjoy watching coming up as a youngster, bro. And then competing against him again. Ocho, I'm talking about. I competed against him when he was in Milwaukee, when he was cold blooded. But when he got to Seattle and when I was in Phoenix and we were the number one team that year, they were the number two team in the west that year. Ray averaging 26, 27 a night. I'm talking about getting good money every night. Ocho, you knew what you were gonna get from him, right?

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Now, Ray was that boy now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I think that sometimes, Joe, sometimes a lot of people see the tail end of somebody's career. And, you know, I think it's the same thing with Barkley. I think a lot of people look at Barkley like, man, he always 14 points and level. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Y' all better go back and look at barking Barkley career when he was in Philly, when he was in. In Phoenix.

[Ocho]

In Phoenix. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Go back and look at his career now. Barkley is like 22 and 11 at 6 4. There'll never be another 64 guy lead the league in rebounding ever, ever. And I don't like saying ever, because that. But there'll never be another 6 4. Think about it. That's the height of ant, man. And he led the league and rebounded when they had a king. They had. They had big bigs because you, you know what? Kareem Shaq, not Kareem, I mean, Kareem Patrick ewing, Hakeem Elijah, one. They had big, you know, back then. In the 80s, Joe, everybody had bigs. Big big, Mikhail Parish. Everybody had those guys.

[Joe]

Hey, but. But the difference is, it's not only the talent, but it was the way Barkley approached the game. Uncle Ocho, like, he. He didn't give a damn, bro. Like, that, man was trying to. You know what I mean? Like, so he just ain't got. He ain't had no love for you, you know, when you got out there, wanted to. He was going to compete at the highest level, and he wanted to win. He wanted to dominate, and he wanted to do it in dramatic fashion. Bro, you ain't gonna see that no more. And the. The game has changed. You don't see no damn 6, 4, 6, 5. Dude dominating up under the goal like that. Hell, Zion probably be the closest thing to that.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

How tall is Zion?

[Chad Johnson]

Like, Barkley height? They got Barkley listed at six six. Barclay. No, damn. Six six.

[Joe]

Yeah, Zion probably about Zion about six six, though.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah,

[Joe]

he's six six. I'm talking about a dog.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but he was. Barkley was a. Barkley was an animal. And you gotta think about. Look at what he's competing against.

[Joe]

He playing in real. Big boy.

[Draymond Green]

Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Big. I'm talking about big Bigs. I mean, he going up against C. Web. He going up against. I mean, real power forward. Kevin McAle, Carl Malone. 68, 60, 10

[Ocho]

big boys.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, everybody. Everybody played four and five back then. Oo. Everybody played a four to five. It wasn't no stretch. This and Small was no lineup of death. Everybody had a Big. And when you take one Big out, you brought another one Big in.

[Joe]

Hello.

[Chad Johnson]

You took his ass out, you brought another Big in.

[Joe]

Hello.

[Chad Johnson]

Just keep coming.

[Joe]

Big.

[Chad Johnson]

Big. You replace Big with a bigger. Barkley was an animal. And I think, like I said, people that got used to. They see him talk because they. Most people. More people saw him talk inside the NBA, on tnt, now on espn, and they like. He do all this talking. He was okay. He wasn't that good.

[Joe]

Hello.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yes, he was.

[Joe]

They tripping now. He was a monster. He was a dog.

[Chad Johnson]

He's a top 50 player. He's the top. He was a top 75 player. He gonna be a top 100 player. He gonna be a top 125 player, 150. He always be a top player. I don't give a damn who comes along.

[Joe]

Are you talking about. Hey, y' all talking about in football, the intimidator fact, the intimidation factor that you bring. You trying to intimidate. You trying to move a man.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's the.

[Joe]

That's how Barkley played, bro. That intimidation factor. Yeah, that's how he played.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Remember when him and Shaq got at it, went at it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And he hit Shaq in the head with the ball.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

That was funny.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, dealing with Charles Oakley.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And, you know, hey, you know that. Those. Xavier McDaniel, boy, they had. They had some head hunters back then. They.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, ninjas fight at the drop of a hat. What, you found me too hard, then? They were just. They just looking for a reason, bro. That was a regular file. Oh, no, you found me too hard.

[Ocho]

You.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, you had to put your sense up back then, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. They knock hell out you.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

They ain't do a whole. It wasn't a whole lot of talking. It wasn't. It was no talking back then, man. I got to get a grip on this. Yeah, and it was even worse in the 70s. Boris Lucas and Kermit Washington, they had real. Real enforcers back then. And then it just picked up in the 80s, where they had X Men. They had Oak Barkley was his own enforcer.

[Ocho]

Car, balloon.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, man. They had Kevin McHale. Hey, don't sleep on Danny. Ain't Danny, ain't we filing the hell out of people?

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Chad Johnson]

You remember he threw the ball. Who he hit in the face with that basketball? Mario Ellie, Joe. You remember he threw the ball and hit Mario. Ellen Part blank. Who is this Danny?

[Tab Ramos]

A.

[Joe]

When they played against him in the playoffs.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. He took the ball out and threw. I'm talking about the he for me. He was. From me to this. This. This tele. This monitor and hit him in the ball. Hit him in the face with the ball as hard as he could. I. He ran back like chat. Y' all remember that? Dennis Rodman. I mean, they had. Boy, look at the bad boy Pistons with Rodman and Sal and Lambert and Rick Mahorn.

[Joe]

Man, you know, I played with Dan Marley, uncle, like, his last two years in the NBA.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, did you?

[Joe]

Yeah, in Phoenix. In Phoenix. Boy, they love him out there in Phoenix.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man, y' all better go look at that. They talk about. He didn't mean to do that, Boy, I'd still been whipping on Danny AJ Ass. Y' all pull that up. Go look at that on. Go, Joe. Pull that up right quick. That man did that on purpose.

[Joe]

I know. It's. It was different back then, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, it sure would have been different, man. Look here. Tim Hardaway senior said he has an issue with players Podcasting during the NBA season. During the season, like Draymond, I don't agree with. It's all right to them, but I feel like you're disrespecting these other teams. You're talking about these teams, you know, and Adam Silver just let it go. David Stern would have. Would have said, hell, no, we're not doing that. If you talked about a team in the media, like I say, their trade or something like that, you would have gotten fined by David Stern. He would have fined you. You don't talk about anybody, nobody else's team. You talk about your team, your organization. That's it. Josh Hart trolled him to Tim. I agree. Joe, do you agree with him, Hardaway Senior, that they should not be, you know, having podcasts during the season?

[Joe]

Man, I can't sit here and say whether you should or shouldn't. Uncle Ocho, if you're a competitor, if you competing, if you playing a professional

[Draymond Green]

sport,

[Joe]

I guess I, I guess, I guess it's all about how you handle it. You know what I mean? You know, I mean, you, you got some guys. See, here's the thing. It's like if you parting and you playing well, all. Everything all fine and dandy correct. But hell, if you pot and y' all getting y' all breaks blew out of every damn game, man, please don't. Folks gonna be looking at you crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

And that's how I go.

[Chad Johnson]

And then when you win, you, You, You. Your podcast is. Is weekly. All of a sudden, you go on a losing streak, and they don't see your ass for a month straight. Then what happened? Because they want. People want consistency. Their favorite show came on, what, once a week?

[Joe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

That's why you knew. You knew the 70 son, the Jefferson, good Time.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You knew that. Whatever your favorite show is, whether it's Friends or Everybody Loves Raymond or Two and a Half Men, whatever the case may be. I'm just giving you an example. Your favorite sitcom, you knew it was coming on. That's what people like. Yeah, but you, when things are going good, you averaging this. And you, y' all winning you up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all of a sudden, y' all go cold Spatch. And all of a sudden, pocket. What a podcast.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, consistency is the key.

[Chad Johnson]

Me, I, I, I, I don't. I wouldn't because I already know how I am. I don't be. I don't been unsaid, something that I probably shouldn't say. So I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna Catch you. I'm gonna catch you at the game.

[Joe]

Because you know, you know them wins and losses, Uncle Ocho, they had you so damn emotional, bro. Yes. You know, I'm saying from a win, you can be emotional, and from a loss, you know, it can have you to where, hell, you don't even want no damn body to be around you. I don't know about y', all, but I should be like that sometime, man,

[Chad Johnson]

you already know how I am, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't easy mofo to get along with when we win it. Right. I'm insufferable. I'm intolerable when we lose.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, man, all that work I done put in and we lose it. And you, Ocho, I don't know how it was with you, Joe. How it is in basketball, you know, when you losing, Ocho, everything is the problem. Man, get off your helmet. I was sitting on my helmet. We won seven games in a row. That wasn't the reason we winning when I was sitting on my helmet. Now that's the reason we losing. Man, clean up this damn locker room. The locker room was dirty when we was winning. Everything. Everything. Put your mouthpiece in. I only play with a mile piece. You talking about put a mile piece in?

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey. Everything.

[Chad Johnson]

Everything is the reason why you lose it, Joe.

[Joe]

Everything is magnified when you lose it. Hey, tuck your damn shirt in when you're going in the game. Damn, it was hanging out last game. Yeah, I get it, bro. You know how it is. And that's why you gotta. That's why you kind of gotta. You know, you kind of gotta walk that straight narrow, bro, even when you win and lose. And that's why I'm gonna be honest with y'. All. That's why I always kept an even kill. Because I never wanted to show my emotions, even when I was pissed off, you know, I should have to restrain myself and control my emotions. I always was that kind of guy. And even when I was at my peak, where I was playing, well, we winning, bro. I just. I always kept it even kill because I understood if it was going great, how bad it could be.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, I went from. I came from Phoenix. We had won 62, 63 games that year. Coming to Atlanta, bro, we won 29 games, Uncle Ocho. We started off three and, like, 28. Like, bro, you are. Look, if you start the season off like that, you were already out the damn playoff picture. Damn, what the hell we playing for? But we still getting our damn check on the 1st and 15. Hell.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Joe, ain't like you about to go 29. Three.

[Joe]

Come on, man. Keep it 100. Damn. We ain't gonna be in the postseason here. We know that before Thanksgiving got here. Hell, damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that's the thing. Look, I was. I. I'm a Clint. I'm a cleanly person. I. I hate to see a locker room ocho. How to do you right here. You write me for me to this model chat. And you throw your jaw. You throw your clothes, man, put the thing in the bag, man.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Why y', all, bro? And the dude be right there. He right there, his locker right next to the laundry hamper, and he throw it on the floor.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on. I know y'.

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All.

[Chad Johnson]

And then y'. All. Hey, Sharp, you want to come over to.

[Ocho]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Your house dirty. I already know if your locker dirty. Your house dirty. I said, boy, I wouldn't eat at your house if I was a hostage. Star me out. Hell, no.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but I used to, man. I used to be, baby. So I was like, hold on, bro. How does the reason why we losing. None of the things that we doing was the reason why we winning? Right? These are the reason why. It was because we're executing.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why you said, hey, look at this play right here. Look at the hustle play. All of a sudden, we losing. We don't have the same hustle. We don't have the same attention to detail. We're turning the ball over at a higher clip than what we were when we look winning. It ain't that complicated. You're really not. Yeah, I'm insolvable, you know? Hey, now, when God, we started losing, the guys. Hey. Ain't taking it serious. They dropping past. They're not paying attention to detail, bro. That ain't what you're supposed to be doing.

[Joe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

What that card say? Now, see, when I come up here on Tuesday, and you got. Hey, you.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Shaw. Hey, man, I see you around, you dapping me up, kind of getting your ass up out of here. And you talk about they did you wrong, but you ain't doing what the cards say. The car say you supposed to be in the flat. The car say you're supposed to be in the hook. The car say you supposed to carry up the scene, but you're doing your own thing, okay? Now, when I come over here to work out on Tuesday, and you got your bag, you got your bag, that Hefty bag on your throat, across your shoulder, don't be mad. Don't be mad. Understand it? Hey, man, Shane Shop. I. I see you around. No, you won't. No, you won't. Because what I tried to tell you. You ain't want to listen to me.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just trying to tell you keep to try to keep. Hey, as long as you can stay on the team, the better chances are you're going to get an opportunity to play. Ojo. You can't play for a team if you're not on one.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, you can go back and tell your homeboys and everybody that they screwed over you, but you're not gonna really tell them because they asked, man. What was it? Hey, here. Hey, I got a little couple of clips. Practice clips. Take a look at this.

[Joe]

That tape don't lie, see? Hey, that tape don't lie.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I'm telling like Bill Davis. Bill Davis say, look, hey, I'm gonna have to cut a lot of y'.

[Draymond Green]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

He said, I know what you're gonna do. You're gonna go home and tell your parents Coach effed over me. And when you come. They come in here, I would pop the tape in, I would say, see, he effing over me.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's.

[Chad Johnson]

That ain't what he's supposed to be doing. But you know how. Look. Oo, you got the homeboy. You go back and they ask you, hey, hey, Ocho, tell him what your boy good, Ocho. Well, your boy. What your boy like that? Ocho Joe, tell your boy. Hey, tell him. Your boy could have went to college like you. Sure, he could have went to college like me. He could have been the league just like me. Hey, ain't no sense, Ocho. Ain't no sense to me. Yeah, you right. Hey, man, he was. He was good now. He was good some of them. Yeah, they were good, some of them. Bro, stop, bro. You quit school in the third grade. How the hell you go get. I don't know what you could have been.

[Ocho]

Hey, everybody got a story.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, we come out on the bus and you shooting marbles in the yard. How the hell you gonna go to high school? You shooting marbles in the yard in the fourth grade. Yeah, yeah, I'm on the bus. But you know What? Now we 30, 35 years of age. Yo, let them have their moment. You right. Yeah, you right.

[Joe]

Yeah.

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[Chad Johnson]

mobile.com Hardaway also came at Tyler Hero for not being all the way heat. You wasn't you wasn't he all the way. You were outside of the heat culture for Bam to be your guy. And you say that about him. That's not cool. Bam handled it the right way he thought was best for him. I was disappointed in Tyler too. I didn't like what he said about Bam and how he said it. Joe, they had a thing. They asked, who do you think on the Heat team would have your back? Tyler Hero said bam.

[Joe]

So why he say that about him then?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, don't start. Look, don't start me.

[Ocho]

Two things can be true, huh? If asked that question, the one person you want to have your back, obviously anybody playing for the Heat, you would say Bam. But then also you can also feel that way about Bam. When he said what he said in the dm.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, but you a ain't no way if somebody. You think somebody gonna have your back. Ocho, you gonna talk about them like that now, right? Because guess what? You said that before you now had you said had you said, hey, X, Y and Z, you probably wouldn't. But here's the thing. He probably didn't think that nothing was going to come over. I don't know why. Oo. I don't know why.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Certain teams say favor certain players. That's just the way it is. Tyler Hero make it seem like he don't know how sports work. Joe. Some teams favor some players over others. It's okay. Some parents favor some kids over others. It's okay. They talk about, I love all my kids. No, you don't. You don't love them all the same. You stop. You should love them all the same, but you damn sure don't treat them all the same.

[Joe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

And kids know.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Johnson]

It's really that simple?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't.

[Chad Johnson]

Look, I don't know anything about Tyler Hero Senior is down there. He probably knows. He's probably have intimate knowledge. More intimate knowledge than what we have. So I gotta take. I. I don't know. I don't know anything about he. I know what it obviously what the Heat culture is. You play hard. You do what you're supposed to do. We play with the ball game. You play the right way. So I get that. I just thought Pat Riley was just fed up with the guns. Every year he hurt at some point in time during the season, Joe, he hurt.

[Joe]

Yeah, he hurt, but I think he still had a little value, too, Uncle Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why they traded me.

[Joe]

Yeah. That's why you. That's why you're able to get rid of them. You know, they. Hey, look, you talk about guys being traded, but you have to have somebody. Somebody else who. Who wants you for you to be traded. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I think he had a little value to him, but I did. I'm. I'm with you. I'm with you, man. I'm with. I'm with Tim Hardaway, senior, bro. I don't like. I don't like when guys go to different teams, bro. Then they start talking about the team, the last guys on the other team, man, leave that alone. But new chapter, homie. Move on, bro. Let it go. Let it go.

[Chad Johnson]

Because, look.

[Joe]

Because you see. You see what happened? You start sending these shots. Hey, hey. You ain't hard to find, partner.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you see what happened? Hey, Ocho, you see what happens when you throw a shot out there?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You vulnerable for what? A shot coming back?

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Literally. He threw a shot. Figuratively. Bam. Through one. Literally. Look, over the last five or six, over the last five or six years, when they talk about trading players, the one name that's never. That's ever. That's untouchable, has been. Who? Bam.

[Joe]

Bam.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, bro. They had a chance to get James Harden, but they wouldn't give up Tyler Hero. Hell, I'd have gave up Guitar Hero. Tyler Hero, any other hero to get

[Joe]

James Harden, they still might have a chance to get him, though.

[Chad Johnson]

They still might. But you have to understand, bro, hey, six, nine guys that can play both ends of the court, they don't grow on trees.

[Joe]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

That's unselfish. That plays the right way. They don't grow on trees.

[Joe]

Can defend. Play both ends of the court.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Absolutely right.

[Chad Johnson]

Mind his own business. Pat Riley, Mickey Harrison. I think his son's name, Nick Ocho. You would know better than me. They ain't worried about Bam being in the bloggers. They ain't worried about Bam being out in the club. They ain't worried about Bam doing none of that.

[Ocho]

Hello?

[Joe]

Hello?

[Chad Johnson]

So that's. And I'm not saying. So. I don't want chat because y'. All. Y' all are trying to twist it. I'm not saying Tyler Hero was doing anything of that sort. I'm just saying that when they put that. When Bam was anointed to captain, he's to carry this because you got to have somebody to carry. I think the problem was that they had a New England or show the key culture, even though Mayo was there, who could carry that. They say, you know what? Let's bring a guy in. That was a part of that. That was really, really entrenched. You see what they got back to Mike Brable. You see how they play. You see how they do things. Even when Stefan Diggs had that situation on the boat. Let me holl at you right quick, young buck. Right quick.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, step into my office. He said, coach, I thought your office upstairs. He said, no, I moved it over here. Probably Berkeley. That ain't what we do here. Yeah, we play football here. Now, that's not what you want to do. We can make that happen, too. But when you hear it's football all the time, that's your life. So what are you? You a model? You're a fashion influencer? Are you a football player? Now, if we take football away, which one you think you're gonna be? A lot of times, guys, people forget. The main thing is the main thing.

[Joe]

Hello. Hello. You can never forget.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, I. I do podcast. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. How many people. If you weren't in the NBA, if you weren't in the NFL, how many people you think gonna be watching? You got to keep the main thing. The main thing. Don't lose sight of that. Guys, I understand you want to have a life. Some teams will allow you to have a life. New England ain't one of those places.

[Joe]

Yeah, no.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you hit a place, you know firsthand.

[Ocho]

Hey, absolutely.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. Your ass here to play ball. We ain't trying to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

That's how I was with Mike Shanahan. You know why you was there? And, hey, leave your ego at home, they said, but check your ego at the door.

[Joe]

Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

Cause guess what? When I turn and leave, you might go back and get the ego if it's at the door. Nah, leave that thing at home.

[Joe]

Hey, but that's kind of what the game coming down to, Uncle Ocho. You know all these players, especially top guys, you know, the main guys, the star players, the mega stars, man, they all got a platform, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it's a little.

[Joe]

It's. It's not a little different. Hell, it's a lot different. Hell, just from 10 years ago, Joe,

[Chad Johnson]

you making 60, $70 million. And they say, you know what? Hey, want you to just focus on this right here. I don't think it's that hard? That's me. That's just me personally. And maybe because I took the. You took the game a lot like I took the game. Ocho. Ocho gonna be Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You can't pay Ocho enough not to be Ocho, so you already know he gonna act a fool. He ate. He get in the end zone, you, oh, don't celebrate, okay? You. I ain't gonna celebrate. As soon as he get close to the end zone, they get him down at the 1 yard like he think he scored. He's celebrating. So you already know certain people. It. Certain people, like, oo, it ain't about money to oo. OO you, you gotta let him be him. If you don't let him be him, you're not gonna get the best of him.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So if you let him be him, Ocho, as long as you're not hurting the team, take off. He can be Ocho. He couldn't be Ocho in New England because they suppressed who he was.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

See, the thing with Ocho is Ocho is an entertainer. First, he's a football player. Second, he's already thinking about, man, I get in sales to be. I got something. I got something queued up. Y' all don't even know what I'm about to do now. Oh, yeah, but when you take that away from him and you say, just focus on football, why can't I do? Well, I, I, I've been focusing on football. Just because I'm having a good time doesn't mean I'm not focusing on football. Yeah. He was one of the few that if you let him be him, outside of just the X's and no's, you're gonna get the best version of him.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But everybody can't. Everybody can't thrive in that system. You've got to buy in 1,000%. It's hard. It's hard when you've been a place and they've allowed you to be you for a decade, and then all of a sudden, you go there and overnight, I can't be me.

[Joe]

It is, bro. I know.

[Chad Johnson]

It's like going, I've been eating meat my whole life. Now all of a sudden you talking about being vegan. What? Yeah, I'll be peas, but they better have some fat back in them. They better have some bacon. Yo, I would eat a salad, but they better have some bacon. They better have some. Hey, they better have something on top. Some meat, some type of meat. Chicken, fish. I need something. Beef, pork. I need something on Top of these greens.

[Joe]

Yeah, but you gotta.

[Chad Johnson]

But you gotta know. Hey, Mike, Mike, Mike. Never BY like, hey, 84, talk all you want to except the Super Bowl. The first Super Bowl. As long as you don't cost us a penalty. I said, Mike, I can. Hey, Mike, I get a 15 yard penalty. Go ahead and get it, 84. That's what I start by talking. They go grab my face mask, they gonna shove me. Look at that, Joy. No, the flag. Yeah, see, I started talking. Oh, Joy. Joe. Yeah, yeah. Personal file. Unsportsmanlike conduct defense.

[Tab Ramos]

See?

[Chad Johnson]

See, Dum dum. You just caution C, dummy. I knew you weren't that smart. I knew you weren't that smart.

[Joe]

Say you done your job, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you know what? If you had brains, you walk backwards. I knew it. I knew it. You know what I'm saying, Joe? I gotta really get him. Boy, if dynamite was brains, you couldn't even blow your nose, man. Help you sharp F you. Ah, not, bro. I'm just saying, why would you do that? But don't worry about it. I sure appreciate these 15 yards. Now, y' all not finna get the ball back. Dumb dumb.

[Joe]

Hey. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Ta da. Now I'm going off the field. I jog off the field. Don't worry about it. I see you. You can see me right now, right here in front of you. I hope you can see me. I don't know no blind NFL players. You might be the first one I know. You might be the dumbest one. Cause you know what I noticed, Ocho? It's not so much. You know what guys really get mad about? What's that? When you question their ability. Oh, you. You know you're really not that good, right? You know what our game plan was to go at you. Cause we knew you sucked.

[Ocho]

Hey, that. That. That'll piss him off. Down that. That'll piss him off.

[Chad Johnson]

We knew. We knew. We knew you sucked. Why you think we just run to your side? Oh, yeah, you not that bright. You gonna get frustrated and you Gonna give us 15 yards.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. That's gonna piss a guy off.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, big time. I said, bro, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I don't really see a scenario where you on this team next year. I don't see how it's gonna work out for you. As a matter of fact, you keep playing like this, you might not make it the next week.

[Joe]

Oh, yo, that type of talk you were telling them, boy.

[Ocho]

My talk was entertaining, like. Yeah, more, more. More of a fun way going at People head. I would, I would never like that. Never.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm holding regular conversation. Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Leave me alone. Nobody. Joe, I ain't bothered nobody. Maybe a few people I'm bothering. But hey, but then when you try to, you take it, make it personal. How we gonna make it now? Yeah, you know, I know a few things. Oh, I be, be laid in the cut, You know. Hey, you know, I, I, I. God blessed me with the ability to play football and he blessed me with the gift of gal. Oh yeah, he gave me those two things. Hey, he didn't give me the most intellect. I had to catch up, but I had to catch up with that.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Told my brother I called him. Say, man, look here, you can't come back on no more. You give it our information. Ain't nobody asked you all that stuff about me dry snitching ass. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna tell Libby you told some stories.

[Joe]

I said from the sounds of it. Libby, Libby. Ready the. The tan to you. What?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Shannon, you ain't got. Shannon, you ain't got to tell everything. I said I ain't told nothing. I put it off on spanking. Spanky put it off on me. But like you said, I was always the littlest one. So that, you know, Granny, he's just a little fella. Yeah, it's okay. Let me take it with you. My sister ate. Think about it. My sister 20. My sister 20 years old. Why she want to take a 12 year old boy with her? For my brother dating. My grandma said, well, you can't. Hey, you don't want to take that boy. You ain't going. Guess who with a car. With the truck. Crank up. Guess who's sitting in the passenger seat. You do. You make me sick, man. You always want to go somewhere you ain't got nothing to do. Hey, bro. Hey, look here. Granny said you got to take me with her. Take it up with Granny. You over here doing all this, man, drive the car. Man, Joe, that was so sick of me. But you know, I had, I had the powers. I had the powers of Barney and Mary Porter. Yeah, you already say make him cry if you want to.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

The hell to pay.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And you know, hey, I a crown command. Hey, what's wrong with that boy? Hey, nothing, daddy. Nothing, Papa. Yeah, something wrong with him. He cried.

[Joe]

And he probably had that deep voice too.

[Chad Johnson]

Did he?

[Ocho]

Man, he had, hey, like, like a baritone, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, yes, deep voice. That's how he talk.

[Tab Ramos]

He.

[Chad Johnson]

Come in the house. We be in the house. We be watching tv. Hey, turn the TV to the news. I go turn the TV because it wasn't no remote control. Then I go turn the TV to the news. Yeah. All my aunts, they go in the other room. My sister go in the other room. Cause we watching something. He come to my turn to the news. So we get up and we get up and everybody get up and leave. All right, all right. Bring your ass back. Turn it back.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You ain't gonna come in here and do all that.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. Which I had back then. Y' all had like the box. You remember the box? The cable, the actual cable.

[Chad Johnson]

In the country, you couldn't get cable.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Like I said, you got. You got PBS, which was channel nine.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You got channel three. You got channel 11, and you got channel 22, ABC. But you could barely get ABC. But you got NBC, CBS, and. And there was no FOX back then. And you got Channel nine. So we can see Sesame street and stuff like that.

[Joe]

You had to work them antennas up there then.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. But we had the pole outside that. You go turn. There it is right there.

[Tab Ramos]

Whole.

[Chad Johnson]

Right there, Right there, right there, right there. You let the pole go, the TV go fuzzy again.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh.

[Draymond Green]

Holy.

[Chad Johnson]

Roll right there.

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[Chad Johnson]

That's it. Right?

[Draymond Green]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold this tv. Hold this pole right here. Hell no. Excuse me. No, that ain't fit to happen.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Free agent Stefan Diggs says he's the best wide receiver number two in the NFL, and no one is better than him. Name your number two receiver right now. And is he better than me? O. Joke. They're a number two receiver better than. They're a couple.

[Ocho]

I mean. Yeah, it's a couple.

[Chad Johnson]

Dallas got one. Whoever you say is one. The other two is better than Stefan. Cincinnati. Whoever you say is one is better than him.

[Ocho]

Minnesota.

[Chad Johnson]

The Rams.

[Ocho]

The Rams.

[Draymond Green]

Hold on.

[Ocho]

That what he said has true to it now. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

That their number two is better than him.

[Ocho]

Right, Right. As you go again. As you go and get. You go a bit further and you get a little deeper into some of. Some of. Some of some of these other teams like, he. He would be a bonafide. Their number two is not better than him. And.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

And he's right. Even coming off ACL injury and having a thousand yards and I'm not sure how many touchdowns he has now, if they're gonna use him, you. You take their number two and you put him in that place, you're still gonna get the same Production based on what he's able to do.

[Chad Johnson]

Hell, I think he'd be good in Baltimore. Hell, I'm not so sure what you call him is better than him.

[Ocho]

What did I say? What did I say?

[Chad Johnson]

He would go BMO.

[Ocho]

Give. Give it a 10 either Baltimore, the commanders. I'm still standing on that too now.

[Chad Johnson]

Hell, he. He'd be good in Cleveland.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what? That's a good one.

[Chad Johnson]

Might be even better. That's a good.

[Ocho]

That's a good one. Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious to hear what the chat has to say, especially outside of Dallas. You know, Dallas, Cincinnati, Minnesota Rams. Rams. Well, we have in Philly. We. We. I mean, limited. He's not proven yet, but he will be the number two. I'm trying to think who else he. I mean, he.

[Commercial Announcer]

He.

[Ocho]

There. There's truth to that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But the thing is, Joe Ocho and we talked about this.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Once you start bouncing around, it's hard for you to. That's how people look at you now. Yeah, they look at him as a journeyman receiver. Oh, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Joe, you know how it is. Once a player, all of a sudden you start getting traded. One year you involved in the trade, and then you involved in a trade, and you involved in a trade. You're a journeyman.

[Joe]

Hey, but it's crazy though, because he was a thousand yard receiver last year and I thought he played great for the Patriots, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

Like he was reliable and all that. How the hell.

[Ocho]

I mean, great team leader too, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, I agree. I agree with both of you guys. But the thing is, is just how they view you now, Ocho, you know, hey, think about it. He started in Minnesota, he went to Buffalo, he goes to Houston, he goes to New England. And now this would be his 15.

[Ocho]

Mm. How old is Steph now?

[Chad Johnson]

What you say? 32. How old is Steph, Ash? I think he's probably 32, 33. It gotta be.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you know, it doesn't make it any better with all. All the off field stuff because obviously

[Chad Johnson]

y' all talking about Detroit Lions. So you trying to say he. Oh, so whoever you say is what if. So Amara is one. He better than jmo.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't do that.

[Ocho]

Who said that? And that's my bad for leaving Detroit off that list. Don't do that. No, no. Let me add them to the pot too.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, for sure. Come on now. Chicago, good. Green Bay, good.

[Ocho]

Hey, them young. Them young bulls over there.

[Draymond Green]

Yeah,

[Joe]

I guess. I guess. When you think about it.

[Chad Johnson]

He's 32. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Is he gonna get picked up? Y' all think he's gonna get picked up? Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, he get picked up? Absolutely.

[Ocho]

I bet it's one of those two teams. I just said Joe Watts.

[Chad Johnson]

But what he made 20 million last year. Those days probably over.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. I mean he won't, he won't make that minimum as long as they give them respectable. Give him something respectable based on what he's able to come in and do.

[Chad Johnson]

Terrell Owens doesn't believe there will be any drop off with AJ Brown leaving the Eagles. I mean, they've got Devontae Smith. He's always been a number one guy. Even when AJ was here. He could have easily been receiver number one at any game. So again, he's going to show leadership. He's going to bring those guys along. So I don't see any drop off. Those guys are going to be fine. Ocho, how you taking this?

[Ocho]

And TTO's right to understand the systems. He understands the difference in the offensive schemes that Philly runs the off of the scheme that the Patriots run. Hell, the Patriots throw the ball what, a hundred times more? I mean, obviously I'm exaggerating the number saying 100 times more, but they're, they're, they're throwing offense. You know, if you look at, if you look at Philly having a running back like Saquon, you got to understand why even in the passing era that the NFL is now, they would be a run first team. You're one of the few teams that have a back that is elite in a tier one running back where the offense flows through, run the run opens up the pass.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Over there in New England. Hey, they throwing that thing.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they throwing it for sure.

[Ocho]

They, they let, they letting it fly. And, and he going to have a much better season, maybe even a better season than all those combined Philly.

[Joe]

I can see that. I can see that.

[Chad Johnson]

I just think the thing, look, I think some of the things that he did in New England, I mean in Philly, he ain't trying that with Rabel. Now Vrabel knows him. He knows Rabel from their time in Tennessee. So he knows how Brable is, Vrabel knows how he is. But I can assure you they're not going to have some of the issues that they had that, that he had in Philly. They're not going to have that in New England.

[Joe]

Hello.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you know, Tio was very strong in the statement, me and you and I was Talking. And people like, well, AJ Was the best receiver. No, AJ Won a ring. Congratulations. But even in Philly, he wasn't better than to. Nah, nah.

[Draymond Green]

What?

[Ocho]

Hey, he wasn't.

[Chad Johnson]

And that's not a knock on him.

[Ocho]

It ain't. Ain't nobody in Philly ever played for Philly. Hell, ain't nobody in the NFL history is better than to. Unless you go into the conversation and want to bring up Randy Moss and Jerry Rice. And Jerry Rice is in a class of his own.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what I said. The three best receivers, and I've seen a lot of them. Is.

[Draymond Green]

Is.

[Chad Johnson]

Is for me, is Jerry's number one. A lot of people believe that, that, that, that. That two and three are unattainable. Some people got Randy, some people got. But for me, those are the top three. One is unmistakable, right? 22,000 yards, 1500 catches, 193 receiving touchdowns. Another another eight on runs. What are we talking. What are we. What.

[Draymond Green]

What.

[Chad Johnson]

What are we. We're not even having that discussion.

[Draymond Green]

If, If.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, and Joe, you know how we talked about. I forgot we would talk about. You watch hockey up close. You watch 10 tennis up close. And how different. How different it is at. At the highest level, Joe, I had the opportunity, man, not only play with Tio, but to watch him up close. When we had to play against him, he was with Dallas. Yeah, well, young boy, he was something special, man.

[Joe]

He was like that, man.

[Ocho]

Man, Joe, man, listen, man, it was something special, man. I. I found myself on the sideline as a fan, watching a friend of mine and got a better understanding on why he was as great as he was.

[Chad Johnson]

He was a monster.

[Ocho]

Saw Randy in person, up close, Joe. So did I. Jesus Christ, Joe. I ain't never. I ain't never seen nothing like that. Yeah, ain't never seen nothing like that. The DB playing seven yards off the DB in his backpedal. Randy take three steps and throw his hand up. You ain't even broke the cushion yet. Can you get.

[Chad Johnson]

Can.

[Ocho]

Can you get. Can you step on the toes first? Man, Randy, come out the ball, man, he hit by four, you know, about three steps, you know, Randy, three steps, he damn near eight, eight, eight, nine yards.

[Joe]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Ocho]

And he throw the hand up, and if the DB is still in his backpedal by the. By the time he get going like that, fourth or fifth step and the DB send his back pedal trying to be pretty, man, strike at the band. Better be in a full out sprint already running backwards before he closed that cushion. If you're not, man. It's over.

[Chad Johnson]

And to you throw heat to a hitch route. You're not getting him down. You better have the calvary coming. Yeah, you're not getting him down. He ran angry every play.

[Ocho]

And he's shifty with it too. You notice how big Tio was? He was a little shifty in the open field.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And look, he rubbed people the wrong way. But I love this game. I never questioned Tio. Tio gonna block. Tio gonna do what he's supposed to do. Yeah, I gotta get all the antics. And they try to make it team, you know, make it seem like when they won, he didn't have play a role. But when they lost, it was because of his antics. I ain't buy none of that, ain't about none of it for me until somebody else come along. The three greatest receivers that I've ever seen. And I've seen a bunch of them, Jerry. I mean, look, so we just start, we forget one, let's just start, go two on. Yeah, we can forget, we can forget, we forget. Number one, 1500 catches. The man had a thousand yard receiving. Joe, at 40, you know who got the second most receiving yards at a four as a 40 year old? Oh, Tom Brady. What? Tom Brady got the second most receiving yards for a 40 year old.

[Ocho]

You know, it's hard. It's hard to play that long, Joe. Hey, the organization, they got to love you, boy.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Jerry had a 100 yard. Jerry had 100 yard game at 42. Y' all better go look at y. Hey. And they weren't throwing the y' all better go look at Jerry numbers.

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