Nightcap Hour 2: Jason Kidd OUT as Mavs Head Coach + Giannis TRADE to Celtics? + DATING an ATHLETE after they LOSE

Summary

Nightcap Hour 2: Jason Kidd OUT as Mavs Head Coach + Giannis TRADE to Celtics? + DATING an ATHLETE after they LOSE

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Date: May 20, 2026

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Overview

In this rich, high-energy hour of Nightcap, Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson dive into some of the wildest NBA headlines of the week: Jason Kidd’s sudden firing as Mavericks head coach, the swirling Giannis-to-Boston trade rumors, and the often overlooked realities of dating professional athletes—especially when they lose. With their trademark blend of humor, authenticity, and inside perspective, Unc and Ocho break down front-office drama, NBA superteam speculations, and what it’s really like behind closed doors after tough losses.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Jason Kidd Out as Mavericks Head Coach

[02:55 - 09:23]

• The Mavericks have parted ways with Jason Kidd, who still had four years and $40M left on his contract.

• New GM/President Masai Ujiri and owner Patrick Dumont made the call; Kidd was previously denied a move upstairs into a front office role after GM Nico Harrison was fired.

• Shannon and Ocho break down:

  • Kidd's playoff record (22–18, including a Finals run in 2024).
  • Kidd wanting more front office power and being iced out of key decisions, like Luka Doncic’s departure and Ujiri’s hiring.
  • “That probably should’ve been the writing on the wall.” (Shannon, 03:23)
  • Ocho floats that when a new executive like Ujiri comes in, he typically wants “his guy” to coach. “Anytime a team, you know, redoes the infrastructure... they got a guy who they want to come coach that team.” (Ocho, 04:54)

• Power dynamics:

  • Discussion of whether players like Kyrie Irving or rookie Cooper Flagg have input on coaching hires. With Flagg being so young, and Kyrie’s earlier comments about not “needing a coach” in Brooklyn, the consensus is: Not this time.
  • “That’s what got the previous regime up outta there, the players being in control. So he’s coming in with an iron fist.” (Shannon, 06:49)

• Future for Dallas:

  • What’s next for Kidd? Ocho thinks he should take time off; question lingers on if he’ll coach again.

• Kyrie’s Fit and Trade Value:

  • Ocho teases possible trade rumors: “A little birdie told me—Ant trying to get him down in Minnesota!” (Ocho, 09:58)
  • Kyrie’s ability to play on- or off-ball makes him a premium asset. The hosts agree pairing him with Ant in Minnesota would be “must see TV.” (D, 10:18)

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2. Are the Celtics Really Trading for Giannis?

[26:25 - 34:52]

• Rumors swirl: “The smoke continues to build around the possibility of Giannis landing in Boston. It’s not certain Jaylen Brown would land in Milwaukee or if he’d be sent to a third team for younger assets.” (C, 26:25)

• Ocho and Shannon are skeptical of splitting up Jaylen Brown (JB) and Jayson Tatum (JT):

  • “I’m sorry, man. JB and JT—it's gonna be hard for me to break them two up. Both of them can get money, both of them can get to it. Nobody else has that.” (D, 26:40)
  • They discuss persistent media and organizational attempts to pit JB and JT against each other, but point out the duo has won a title together.
  • JB’s claim this was his “best season ever” is defended, though Shannon notes: “It doesn’t matter how you mean it… if the media don’t receive it how you meant it, it doesn’t matter.” (C, 29:14)

• Big picture:

  • Celtics new ownership and payroll factor into the trade calculus. “You never know, bro. When you bring in these new ownership guys…maybe he do want to change the scenery.” (D, 30:36)
  • If Boston does pull off a Giannis acquisition, Jaylen could end up elsewhere to trim salary.

• Wider implications:

  • “In the Western Conference, as is, is not gonna cut it because OKC and San Antonio are too young and hungry. You wanna contend with those teams? You’re gonna have to do something.” (C, 31:37)

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3. The Realities of Dating an Athlete—Especially After a Loss

[13:20 - 21:12; 34:52 - 38:49]

• Raw and personal, this segment brings out some of Shannon’s best storytelling:

  • “This the kind of game that you can’t sleep at night… I’ve had some nights like this, where we let a game go. I ain’t sleeping.” (C, 13:20)
  • Ochocinco talks about how partners of athletes intuitively know when to give space without words; Shannon tells a story about how his girlfriend always knew the exact meal to leave for him after rough games. (C, 13:59)

• Mental toll:

  • “It’s hard as hell dating a professional athlete.” (D, 14:29)
  • Discussing Megan Thee Stallion’s comments about “moody” Klay Thompson during the season, Shannon says: “He ain’t moody, he ain’t playing well!” (C, 14:46)
  • “If you date a professional athlete, you’re on pins and needles… That life isn’t for everybody.” (C, 17:53)
  • Ochocinco and Shannon agree most people see the fame and luxury, not the emotional and logistical grind.

• Lifestyle contrasts:

  • Going out after a loss is rare—“You thought we going somewhere? We lost, man. That ain’t happening.” (C, 20:08)
  • Support networks and understanding are crucial but rare: “It’s rough. It is rough.” (C, 20:18)
  • Only people in similar lifestyles—other athletes or entertainers—truly “get it.” (C, 18:40)

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4. All-Time NBA "Single Season" Teams: Debating the Lists

[39:22 - 52:47]

• Sporting News publishes its “all-time All-NBA” teams by best single season at each position—sparking immediate debate.
  • 1st: Jordan (G), Curry (G), LeBron (F), Bird (F), Kareem (C)
  • 2nd: Kobe, Magic, Garnett, Duncan, Olajuwon
  • 3rd: SGA, Oscar Robertson, KD, Giannis, Wilt
• Shannon is floored: “Wilt averaged 23 rebounds a game for his career over 14 seasons… Somebody could play 30 years and not break that record.” (C, 41:12)
• Discussion about why some all-time dominant players like Shaq aren’t on the list—Ocho says, “He was just… the most dominant player to ever play the game.” (D, 49:21)
• Debates about MVP season choices, how the era and style of play impacted stats (“Back then, everybody played inside out, ain’t nobody played outside in.” —C, 52:17), and how the draft used to be dominated by big men.

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5. Underrated Legends and “What If?” Stories

[54:03 - 58:20]

• Discussion of the tragic “what if” of Len Bias: “In college, he was better than Jordan.” (C, 54:45)
• Bias was drafted to be Larry Bird’s successor, but died the night after being drafted.
• The hosts recount the Celtics’ run of bad luck: after Bias, Reggie Lewis also passed away early in his career.

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6. Real Talk: Upbringing, Hard Work, and Judgment

[57:53 - 76:01]

• Shannon gets personal about his tough childhood, describing no running water or plumbing, and learning the values of hard work and honesty from his grandmother:
  • “A man pays you an honest day salary, you give him an honest day’s work. Don’t play on that man’s job.” (C, 75:07)
• They discuss never knowing what someone else is going through—prompted by a memory about Chris Herron's struggles during Shannon’s brief Celtics stint.

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7. Fun Segment: Southern Food, Fishing, and Gator Tales

[65:09 - 69:47]

• The hosts reminisce about country food and fishing—gator, turtle, gar, and good ole fried fish.
• Stories about cleaning fish for grandma, manual labor, and the life lessons learned outside sports.

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8. Bonus: Markets NBA Players Don’t Want to Be Traded To

[62:42 - 64:32]

• New survey: Memphis is overwhelmingly the least-desired NBA destination; followed by Washington, Sacramento, New Orleans, Brooklyn, Utah, Charlotte, Portland, and New York.
• “Don’t nobody want to go to Memphis for whatever reason… but you know, they got that barbecue.” (C, 63:50)
• Good food can’t make up for NBA lifestyle or market challenges.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That’s what got the previous regime out of there, the players being in control. So he’s coming in with an iron fist.” — Shannon Sharpe (06:49)
• “He ain't moody. He ain't playing well!” — Shannon Sharpe on athlete moods after losses (14:46)
• “If you date a professional athlete, you’re on pins and needles… That life isn’t for everybody.” — Shannon Sharpe (17:53)
• “Somebody could play 30 years and not break that [Wilt Chamberlain's rebound] record. Zero.” — Shannon Sharpe (41:16)
• “A man pays you an honest day salary, you give him an honest day’s work. Don’t play on that man’s job.” — Shannon Sharpe, quoting his grandmother (75:07)
• On JB & JT splitting up: “I don’t know why you would want to break them two up, bro.” — Ocho (27:30)
• “Football is the easiest job I ever had… Imagine going to the field from cake to cake—you can’t see when you get in the field, you can’t see when you leave.” — Shannon Sharpe, on perspective (71:46)

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Segment Timestamps

• 02:55 – Jason Kidd Out as Mavericks HC; Front Office Drama
• 06:50 – Power Shifts: Why Kidd Didn’t Have Player Support
• 09:23 – Dallas Roster Rumors: Is Kyrie On the Move?
• 13:20 – How Losses Impact Athletes at Home
• 17:53 – The Toughest Part About Dating Athletes
• 26:25 – Giannis-to-Boston Speculation: Should Celtics Break Up JB & JT?
• 31:30 – Western Conference Arms Race
• 39:22 – All-Time Best NBA Single-Season Teams: Analysis and Debate
• 54:03 – Len Bias: College Legend and NBA What-If Tragedy
• 57:53 – Upbringing, Empathy, and Judgment
• 65:09 – Fishing, Southern Cooking, and Country Roots
• 62:42 – NBA Least Desirable Teams to be Traded To

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Tone and Takeaways

Gritty, candid, and loaded with hard-earned wisdom, this episode delivers what Nightcap fans love: unfiltered banter, deep league insight, and life lessons that go way beyond box scores. Unc and Ocho’s chemistry—equal parts tough love, nostalgia, and clowning—makes for can't-miss sports talk.

Listeners will walk away with:

• Inside perspective on coaching politics and team-building in today’s NBA.
• New understanding of the unseen side of pro athlete relationships.
• A reminder that behind every stat and superstar, there’s a raw, human story.

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[C]

permission Joe Jason Kidd is out of the Dallas Mavericks Head Coach kid had four years over $40 million left on his math contract. Messiah Jury and the Mavericks owner Patrick Dumo reached the decision this week to move on. Kid had reportedly expressed a desire to be promoted to president of basketball operation after general manager Nico Harrison was fired in November. But Dumont and fired Kid months ago that he wouldn't be considered for the front office. Kid was kept kept out of the loop in the process that resulted in Jury hiring in his five year tender. He's 205. 205 took a team to the NBA Finals. During his five year tender. Dallas went 22 and 18 in the playoffs under kid, advancing to the 2022 Western Conference Finals and and the 2024 NBA Finals. I wish he could have Anthony Davis could have stayed healthy, got an opportunity to play with Cooper Flag. Kyrie Irving had an opportunity to stay healthy, get an opportunity to play with AD and Cooper Flag. Someone else is going to get it up. Someone else is going to get an opportunity to coach Cooper Flag and Kyrie Irving and unfortunately that player is not going to be Jason Kidd. They kept Kidd out of the loop when it came time they was moving Luca. They kept him out of the loop when they was going to be bringing in Jerry and that probably should have been the writing on the wall. Yep, that probably should have been it. He wanted, you know, move upstairs. I don't know if he wanted both of those jobs and he was going to give up coaching or he wanted that job in addition to coaching. We don't know all. I think all that's moot now. The probably now he's looking for employment. I don't think he the question is does he want to go be a an assistant again? I got 40 men. You know what Joe Ocho I don't know man.

[D]

I think take a little time off and relax. Yeah. Hey. Cause think about it. Anytime. Anytime a team, you know, starts to, you know, redo that infrastructure and they bring in a different general manager, president, whatever, bro, they have a guy who they want to come coach that team. You know what I mean? So maybe, you know, in getting Messiah Jury, he already has a guy in mind who he wants to come in and coach the Mavericks. His guy.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

You know, you gave me this team. Jason Kidd. Cool. But I don't really want J. Kidd. I want my guy to come in here and coach. You know, we gonna run things like how we, you know, how we kind of got Toronto going. We wanted a title in Toronto. He's done a hell of a job and getting talent there. And that's the same thing, you know. You know, with the Mavericks, he gonna bring in and bring in his guy. So, you know, he has somewhat of a say so and somewhat of some control, you know, when it comes to coaching these. These players.

[E]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe. It's the mere fact that most of the time, when it comes to obviously coaching, getting fired and being. That most. Most NBA players on their teams, they. They hold all the power. And the head coaches don't do. Do players at any point have say and who can be the coach since they. Since players have the power to get coaches fired or that it don't work like that.

[D]

It do sometimes, but I think with the Mavericks, Cooper Flag is so young that I don't really think, you know, they giving him.

[C]

They ain't asking him.

[D]

Yeah. They wouldn't even go to him like that. And I think they like Kyrie, but I don't think they gonna lean more toward. You know what I mean? Hell, you know, Kyrie said they ain't even need a coach at one point playing in Brooklyn. So they weren't. They. They weren't gonna go to Kyrie for that, you know, not. Not Messiah, Jerry. Not because he's trying to run it. He's trying to run the ship a little differently. So you have. You have cats who come in and take over teams. Uncle Ocho. They don't want the players to feel like they in control.

[C]

That's what got the previous. The regime up out of there, the players being in control. Yeah, that's what got them out of there.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

So he's coming in with iron fist. Ocho, you remember when Roger Goodell came in?

[E]

Oh, hey, boy.

[C]

Paul Tagley, Boot, rest his soul. Paul Tackle and Gene Upshaw had a working relationship.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

The owners have been trying to rustle this Pie away. Paul said, why? We're partners with them. We need them. They need us. Paul retires. Roger come in and say, okay. Listen to they talk. See Paul Taglabu talked. How the players and owners were the NFL. They were a partnership. Now they say, who are they partners? Netflix, Amazon, Fox, cbs, NBC.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Ain't none of them named Jamar Chase, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. Ain't none of them name that, right? So you see that? You see the different standing? They lock you out. Say, you know what? Y' all getting too much of the pie. Y' all getting 52%. We want that. We gonna lock you out.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Know what you want to do.

[E]

They could. They could wait longer than we can.

[C]

Oo, Joe. The guys that had surgery, Joe, what about rehab? What about it?

[D]

I know to tell you, you can't

[C]

come here and get it. They put pan like. They put chains on. Y' all saw them put chains on the gates. Damn. So whoever coming in is like, do you got a clean slate, bro? Run it how you see fit. I'm sure that's what Mr. Dumont told Messiah Running how you see f. You got championship background. You built a team, you won a championship. Okay, they have a star in Cooper Flag in the making. We'll see how it goes. Hopefully Kyrie comes back. Because if Kyrie can come back to what Kyrie was with Cooper Flag, man, they got a nice little one, two punch.

[E]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Now, I don't know what they're gonna do as far as are they going to keep all those big. You know, they got PJ Washington, they got Lively, they got Gafford. Are they going to keep all those bigs? Cause you got a great lob threat, you got some rebounding, you got big that can defend the paint. We're gonna find out.

[D]

Hey, they need. They gonna need a little more though, than Kyrie and Cooper Flag. They. They gonna need. They gonna need a little more.

[C]

Sure. For sure.

[D]

In their Western Conference.

[C]

Look, you're going for third. You got the spurs in the Thunder 1 2. You pick the order that you like, but you're playing for third right now.

[D]

Now, you might even wanna if I'm sure Kyrie still got some high value and he can be some good use to some teams. Yeah, okay, Ocho, if I'm just keeping it 100. I know he settled in Texas, but,

[E]

well, you know, you know, man, I heard a little birdie done told me now, you know, you know, aunt trying to get him down in Minnesota. I'm telling you what a Birdie told me. I'm not saying I'm not Shams, but I'm just letting y' all know ahead of time. And every time I say something, for some reason, my goodness, it always happened.

[D]

Well, listen, I like Kyrie because I. He can play on ball and he can play off ball. He can be you two, and he can be your primary ball handling playmaker. And he great. He great in both roles. You know what I mean? So he'll. He's a great combo guard. Him playing with Ant, man, that'd be. Must see tv.

[C]

And he ain't afraid to take a make big shot.

[D]

No, sir. No, sir. And he. No, sir.

[C]

Hey, you ain't. Dane created. Created a defender that can keep him from where he want to go.

[D]

Man, what you talking about?

[C]

He's the best below the realm finisher in the history of the game.

[D]

Yeah, Yeah.

[C]

I mean, you. How many guys you see that side, he can post. He can get to the midi. He got the three ball finishing either hand. Spin English off the glass, up and under.

[D]

Can shoot it deep. Nice. I think, you know, it's. It's because we ain't seen him play in a while. You know, you kind of have a tendency to forget about guys when you.

[C]

I mean, he.

[D]

He.

[C]

He. He can't. He had me convinced when I saw him in Cleveland. I ain't need to see no more.

[E]

Hey, you know, when I. You know, when I understood how great he was, I mean, obviously I seen him in Cleveland, I. I know what he can do. Hey, Joe, remember that clip of him? Was that the Olympics? They was in practice.

[C]

Oh, they tried to steal the ball from him.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

You know, but they tried to steal the ball from him, and he would.

[C]

And he was going between his leg, behind his back, man, he wasn't even.

[D]

He wasn't even on the Olympics team then. He was just a guy out there, you know, practicing with the Olympics. Yeah, yeah.

[E]

He was just preparing them, that one little clip there.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Because you know what?

[D]

He nice. I think that might have been his.

[C]

That might have been like his first year in the league. That might have been 2012

[D]

when that happened, because Kobe was out there too,

[C]

on that team, right?

[D]

Yeah, he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, look, hell, him and Luca got to the finals. You put him. Hey, you put him with a good. Another good guard. That boy gonna show up and show out. Yeah. And look, he ain't. Hey, look, Kyrie a prime example. He ain't the greatest defender, but, hell, he move his feet.

[C]

He try Sometimes that's what I need. Show me that you're trying this effort tonight.

[D]

Come on, man. Damn, that was hard to watch, bro. Damn, that fourth quarter was bad, Ocho.

[E]

Hey, that was worse than bad, boy. That was. That was embarrassing, Joe.

[D]

It was, bro. I'm telling y'. All, Ain't no way in hell you gonna go off on me, man. I'm. Full out denial. Full out denial. Now, you let my man catch it. Brunson wouldn't even caught the damn ball if it was up to me. Oh, no, sir.

[C]

Boy, they kicking themselves, man. This is the kind of game that you can't sleep at night. I don't know how many of them nights you had, Ocho, but I've had some nights like this where we let a game. I ain't sleeping.

[D]

I had many of them.

[C]

Now I ain't sleeping. I ain't gonna hold nobody. I'm up on the plane, I'm looking out the window. I'm mad. I don't want to see. And, boy, you better not be laughing. I know exactly what you mean.

[D]

Hey, you don't want to talk to nobody. Don't really want to even see nobody. Huh?

[E]

I think. Hey, you know, I had goddamn one winter season in 10 years in Cincinnati. You asked me how many nights I had like that, man, damn.

[C]

Please let. Dog. When I come home already, like, they already know what I want. I want black ip, I want rice. I want a chicken breast, corn, some rolls. It just be sitting out. It's in the microwave. There's a note. Food's in the. In this. In the microwave. It's already set. All I gotta do is just push start. Yeah, I know she ain't.

[D]

Hey, man.

[C]

But she know I don't want to talk. She know I want to be bothered.

[D]

You know what? You know what I think? Especially for women who. Who need to know and understand, it's hard as hell dating a professional athlete.

[C]

Absolutely is.

[D]

Because. Because I seen where Megan thee. Stallion, you know, said that she had to deal with clay moodiness throughout the season. That's part of it here. You ain't the only one.

[C]

He ain't moody. He ain't playing well.

[E]

He don't care.

[D]

He don't care.

[C]

You play it. Oh, you Moody?

[D]

Yes, sir.

[C]

Oh, man.

[D]

Yeah, it's part of it and a lot of it.

[C]

You know what I like is that they observe it and they know after a certain time, you want something. Yeah, don't worry about it. I got it. They already know what you want.

[D]

Yeah, they already go and they know. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I told the guys at Joo. Everybody talking about, man, Sharp, you ain't gonna never get married. You. I said, I tell you what I say. You, you, you. You call your wife and say, go get you something. Go bring you something to eat. Now, I'm gonna call my girl and I'm gonna say, go get me something to eat. Now, we ain't gonna tell them. I'm gonna tell you where she gonna go and what she gonna get. I bet you a hundred thousand, you call you. I bet five guys, I say, I bet each of you a hundred thousand. All you do is call your wife and say, bring me something to eat. Now, I'm gonna call my girl and tell her to bring me something. And I bet you a doorknob to a bucket of cow manure, she gonna bring me exactly what I say. I say, who want to bet? Oh, man. Yo, you got a trade. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You. You married. Your girl, Your wife supposed to know you. You've been mad 10 years. You've been there 12 years, you've been mad 15. What we talking about? Yeah, I ain't have no more problem talking about Sharpie gonna get married. Sharp ain't got nobody. Okay?

[D]

Different bro.

[C]

Ask my teammates, 2002, when I went back to Denver. Ask them. See, I. You know what it is, Joe? In a world or a room full of lies, huh? Truth. Hard to believe. People lie so much that even when you tell them the truth, they don't believe it.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I ain't got to lie about nothing. Everything I've ever seen. When have you ever heard somebody get in the chat that went to Savannah State, that went play with me in Denver, play with me in Baltimore? I've been on this thing with OO since September of 2023. Name the time somebody got on here and said he lied.

[E]

You ain't told a lie. Yeah, shoot, me neither.

[C]

I want you to know. I tell you what. Y' all so big and bad, I bet y'. All. I bet you. I tell you what I do. Y' all put up 10,000, I'll put up a hundred thousand.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Chat not. Yeah, put up that chicken.

[C]

All you got to do. See, y' all talk, see. Oh, you lie. Lie about what I did. What I did. I went where I went. It is what it is. It is what it is, Chad. I get it. People lie so bad. I mean, it's hard. It's hard for me to watch because I'm looking at this and I'm thinking to myself, is this AI. It's hard for me to watch anything now. Everything damn near. AI.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Is this real? I say verify this, But if you date a professional athlete, you're on pins and needles because he is or she is. I guarantee you, if you date. Serena is married now. Ask the guy she dated what she was like when she was playing tennis. Ask Venus. What Venus like. Ask him.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Coco Groff, Sabalinka. Naomi Osaka. Ask him. Basketball.

[D]

And everybody can't handle it.

[C]

Ask.

[E]

It's different.

[C]

Ask them.

[D]

Everybody can't. Everybody can't handle.

[C]

They're dating. What's that? What's it like now? Unless they're professional tennis players. Because there's a reason why actors marry other actors. Because they know what it's like to live that life. They know what it's like to jump in and out of character. They know what it's like to be gone for six months at a time. When you're not used to that or you don't understand that, you. You have a hard time comprehending that. But if you go through that, you have some idea of what it's like and every. That's not that. Life isn't for everybody. Yeah, it's nice. I'm sure you like flying on the private jet. I know you like booking a Pl. And you don't even worry about the cost. You book a hotel room, you ain't worried about the cost. It's nice when money is not an issue, but, boy, there's a lot of things that comes along with dealing with someone in that.

[D]

Yeah, everybody ain't built to handle that neither, boy.

[C]

No. No. Hell no, Joe. Everybody say they can't until you actually in it.

[D]

They think they can. Yeah, because they're looking at.

[C]

Hey, yeah.

[E]

They're looking at the Glisten glamour. That's the only part they're looking at. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Because you thinking, okay, after the game. Yeah, I got a couple my. I got a couple of my friends in town. Boom. We want. We all gonna go out to eat. Well, damn. I want to be left the hell alone. Yeah, I don't. I don't even want to talk to nobody. I'm going home.

[E]

Yeah, especially if you lose, huh, Joe?

[C]

Hey, we ain't going. We're not going nowhere. Hold up. You thought we going somewhere. We lost, man. What? That ain't happening.

[D]

But everybody can't handle it, bro. I mean, you know, and I'm just speaking from experience, you know, when you in it as a professional athlete, you living the American dream, bruh. It's rough. It's rough. It is rough.

[C]

I had no idea what it was like, you know. And so I, you know, go to my brothers, you know. Man, hey man. Boy, hey, I'm Geek. Yeah, like. Man, what we going to do? And Susan to take you somewhere. I'm going home. I came to see you.

[D]

Yeah, hey man, I want to go.

[C]

I hey, I call the restaurant. I get your reservation to the the restaurant when you go. Right?

[D]

Right.

[C]

How many you need?

[D]

Six, right?

[C]

I got you. I won't be there. I already called ahead, took care of everything. All you girls, they eat and drink as much as you want. That life ain't for everybody, man. I know it sounds amorous. Hey, to go places and everybody, hey, Mr. This and Mr. That. You move right to the front of the line. There's not a restaurant crowded enough that you can't get in, but man, we the worst. I ain't fitting to hold you. Yeah the yard is the Boston Smoke is reportedly real and can involve Jaylen Brown being sent to the third team instead of Milwaukee. Sean Devaney Are you looking for support

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The smoke continues to build around the possibility of Giannis landing in Boston is not certain Jalen Brown would land in Milwaukee or if he would be sent to a third team for younger assets. Joe, man, if you.

[D]

Boston, I'm just keeping it 100. I know. I know how great Giannis is, right? But I. I'm sorry, man. JB and jt, it's gonna be hard for me to break them two up. I don't give a damn. Because, you know, it's a little turmoil. That's part of it. But you got a 1A and 1B. You know what I mean? Both of them can get money, Both of them can get to it. Nobody else has that. All you need is for Tatum to be healthy. Obviously, you know, you got some adjustments you probably want to make with your roster as far as, you know, Big. But I. I like the young big that they got in the middle. I can't. What's his name? Qua. I like Qua. You know, good energy guy. We don't have to run no plays for him. Get a lot of garbage points. You know what I mean? Live, you know, little, little, little pocket passes, things of that nature. But, man, I. I don't. I don't know why you would want to break them two up, bro.

[C]

I don't know either, Joe. But it seems like this. For the longest time, they've been trying to pit these two guys against each other. Whose team is it of this or that and JT and JB and yada, yada, yada. But you won a championship. You went once, you lost to Steph. Steph was sensational. You went back again and you won.

[D]

I think the thing is, when JB came out and said that this was his best season, he enjoyed playing. Obviously. Hell, Tatum was there, you know, until, you know, last 20 some games of the season and in the postseason, and, you know, he was in MVP conversations. But, hell, they've had it. They've They've won a title. Hell, he's been a Finals mvp.

[C]

And he's been a Larberg Eastern Conference mvp. Jt, so as Tatum, that's. And that's not the take. They're two totally different players. Both can get to the money, but they're different players.

[E]

Yeah, completely.

[D]

Yeah, they are.

[B]

You.

[E]

Hey, Joe and Uncle, you got to understand why he said it, though, even though it's really not the right time to say it after coming off a loss. But understanding how the pundits and the analyst talked about with JT not being there, not really giving the Celtics the chance, you know, this season and hell, jb, hey, I got the ship. I' ma steal the ship. Yeah, they were goddamn second in the goddamn ease.

[C]

They were. He did.

[D]

Hey, he did more. He did more than him.

[E]

I can understand him saying it. It just. It was the wrong time to say it.

[C]

Oh, wrong time. You had a lot of time. A lot of things that you could have said. Joe, you and I, we all. There's a lot of things we could have said. Yeah, but you already know the way you meant it and the way it was going to be perceived, Steve.

[E]

Completely different.

[C]

It doesn't matter how you mean it, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

If people. If the people don't receive it, if the media don't receive it, how you meant it, it doesn't matter. And that's all it. Boom. And just like you said, Ocho, you'll understood what he said. It's like, man, look here, nobody gave us credit. Nobody, in fact, was going to do anything. Look at. We traded Pozingas, Horford goes to another team. We got Holiday left, the end, so forth and so on. And he's like, hold on. Y' all thought. Y' all thought we was gonna go ahead and tank and go for a high draft pick. And JB's like, hey, man, this is this. I had the most fun this year because I had the most fun because I got a lot a chance to prove a lot of you bums wrong.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

Because a lot of you guys didn't think I was as good as I said I was. I played within the system, given the opportunity to be the lead dog, and I gave y' all 25, 6, and 5 that you didn't think was going to be in the playoffs. If it was, it was going to be in the play in. And I got him to the number two seed, so I understood what he was saying, but I also understood how people was going to take it.

[D]

Yep, me too. Hell of a talent. But this is dang because they just sold the team, what, last year?

[C]

Yeah, six. Six, you know, six and a half, $7 billion.

[D]

So you don't. You never know, bro, when you bring in these new ownership guys, you know, the favoritism that they may show or that he may feel like they've shown or not shown him, you know, despite, you know, him having this hell of a season. Hey, man, you never know how JB really feel. Maybe he do want to get out of there. Maybe he do want to change the scenery. Hell, send him down here to Atlanta. Let him play with. Let him play with Jalen Johnson. Both of them together.

[C]

Maybe they want to cut payroll. We don't know. I mean, we see Portland.

[D]

You know what? That could be it too.

[C]

You saw Portland guy. He said, the coaches. The coaches. The coaches and the players. But the staff had to go wait in the ballroom. He said, yeah, I do it again.

[D]

That's crazy.

[C]

Damn late. Check out what available. I. I think. I think we're gonna see a lot of move in this offseason, Joe.

[D]

Oh, yeah, Some big. I'm talking about big moves.

[C]

Absolutely.

[E]

Something gonna surprise us now, because if

[C]

you're in the Western Conference as is is not gonna cut it because OKC and San Antonio are too young. They're too young and they're too hungry. So your status. Status quo ain't gonna cut it. And if you want to contend with those teams, you're gonna have to do something.

[D]

Got to bro you. I'm talking about make a big splash. I'm saying I'm looking at a team like Minnesota. If you. Minnesota, bro. You got. You got to go.

[C]

You.

[D]

You need to go get you a dog to put next to aunt. I'm talking about at the guard spot. Because you probably ain't gonna be able to keep IO he probably. You know, he probably gonna be gone. Obviously different Chinzo gonna. He gonna be out. You gonna have to go get somebody who can get money, boy.

[C]

Hey, Joe, is really. It's really that simple. It ain't that. It ain't that complicated. We can make it complicated, but in order to compete with that team. And you see how them young guys hungry. Them guys 22 and 23 years old, 24 years old, and you think you can compete.

[D]

Hey, and. And the way the spurs playing it, women be gonna play at this. At this trajectory right here. Akin ojo. Oh, the NBA gonna be in some damn trouble.

[C]

He gonna play at that level because he hungry. I love the fact that he said when they gave Shade that Trophy in front of you say, yeah, for sure. Did that. For sure.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Don't look. Hey, he won the award. I'm focusing on my game. I'm not playing. Yeah, for sure. I was motivated.

[D]

Yeah, you're damn right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

And so guess what? I believe something. I'm gonna put something on the voter's mind for next year.

[D]

Hello, I believe.

[C]

Hey, I just want to leave this right here for you. Y' all see this?

[D]

Everybody look like a baby Will Chamberlain out there, mug. Like the other night. If. Hey, hey, hey. I never seen Will play, but damn it, I.

[C]

Hey, at least he was the only. Really, the only seven footer. So you could imagine, Joe. I mean, if a man get four, if a man gets 40 points and 40 rebounds, I bet getting 50 and 34, that's crazy bad. Score is 78, 73, a hundred.

[D]

And it wasn't even. Hell, and Will wasn't even shooting no damn three. He probably wouldn't even shoot no damn jump shots back then. Look at Wimby, bro. That man shooting 35 footers, 40 footers. Middies Duncan, he barely getting off the ground, man. That boy gonna be hell over the next 10, 15 years.

[C]

And I love the fact that he hungry. You listen. You listen at him talking. You see the way he approached the game? Yeah, he on loaf. He don't really complain. I ain't seen him complain. Maybe. Maybe I missed it. But, hey, I think he should have got a foul. Hey, somebody make a mistake trying to get him the ball, he like, don't worry about it. We'll get it back.

[D]

I'm telling you, man. Listen, he grew up in that Minnesota series. He did a lot of complaining in that Minnesota series. Ocho early in that series. And once he got kicked out, you ain't. It ain't. You ain't no grip of groans. It's been like, okay, boom, let's go next play. Yeah.

[C]

Ever since they kicked him out, Joe, he been kicking ass.

[E]

He took that personal, boy.

[C]

He did.

[D]

He did. He did. He did. And that's what you want to see.

[C]

Like, we was about to end this thing. We was about to end this in five. Y' all made it go six. I'm gonna make sure it don't go seven. We here.

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Joe Joe JoJo the Sporting News listed their all time all NBA teams the first team All NBA Michael Jordan at a guard, Steph Curry at a guard LeBron James at a forward, Larry Bird at a forward, Kareem Abdul Jabbar at a center. The second team is Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon. Third team is Shay Gilgames Alexander, Oscar Robinson, Kevin Durant, Giannis Antetokounmpo and the one we just talked about Wilt the still Chamberlain.

[D]

Damn.

[C]

Ain't no shot.

[D]

That's crazy.

[C]

Okay, so that's what it's based on.

[D]

Hold on what is based on oh oh.

[C]

All time NBA teams based on best single seasons by positions. So they took the best hold on single seasons by positions. Okay. And that's how they based it. So it's not the all time like okay, this is our first team, they based it on single seasons. So when you look at the best single season for a guard, it's been Michael Jordan the two guard, a point guard, it's been Steph Curry a forward, it's been LeBron James and Larry Bird and center it's been Kareem. So. Damn. What was Will? 50? 25,

[D]

and he down at 13.

[C]

What about that? 44, 27. Joe, man had a season. He had 27 rebounds a game.

[D]

Damn.

[C]

The man had a season where he averaged less than 18 rebounds a game. The man averaged 23 rebounds for a career over 14 seasons. The man averaged 23 rebounds a game for 14 seasons.

[E]

That's crazy.

[C]

Nobody. People say, what's the most unbreakable record? That one.

[D]

Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[C]

Somebody could play 30 years and not breaking that record. Zero.

[D]

Yeah. And it's been guys. All they do is rebound like Dennis Rodman. You can't get close to that.

[C]

Yes. No. Second team is Kobe Bryant. Remember that seven that season? He had with that. With that seven. Eight. Because he was. When did Kobe win the MVP? Kobe, when the MVP was a 2000. Magic Johnson was 86. 87. Kevin Garnett was 03 04. Duncan was 02 03. Elijah Juan was 93.94. Okay, that's the year one MVP. Okay, but that wasn't the season that he averaged 35, though, was it? I think 05.045. Yeah. Okay. And then Shay was 25, 26. Oscar Robinson was 63. 64. Kevin Durant was 13 14. Giannis was 19 20, and Chamberlain was 61, 62. So. So chamber season when she averaged 50, 25, that was only. That could only get him 13. Joe, we got.

[D]

Hey, we gotta see some footage, man.

[E]

Hey, hey, Joe. They got footage of everything else, but. Hey, Joe, they got footage of Babe Ruth.

[C]

You hear me, man?

[E]

Cause they.

[D]

They make him look like a. They make him look like a giant monster out there. Like, hey, man, how you average 23

[C]

rebounds for a career, Joe, you talk about for a game, you. I'm talking about for a career over 14 years.

[E]

Come on, I need to see.

[C]

You got to realize Will started out with the Globetrotters. He got some. They. They got some of his years.

[D]

Hey, but I did hear he was a hell of a specimen, though, to be what, seven foot?

[C]

I heard he ran track. He could run. He could run a sub 5,400 meters. Could throw the shot 50ft. Yeah. He could high jump seven foot.

[E]

Yes, I need to see the footage.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

I'm just saying they got footage of everything else.

[D]

Why?

[C]

But you got to realize back then, baseball was the pastime. You bet. You best believe, because baseball records, you know, if somebody say 56, you automatically know that's Joe DiMaggio. 56. Game hitting streak. If somebody say 300, you know what that means a pitcher got 300 wins. Some things, you know, if I tell you 18,270. 18,270, that's Emmy Smith rush yards. You see, baseball records are. Safety, are sacred.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

If I tell you 500, you'll know. 500 me, that's 500 home runs. 3,000. What is that? 3,000 strikeout for a picture. Some things you just know baseball because they've been playing it for such a long time. It's the sport that they've been playing the longest. And remember what they call it? Ocho, America's pastime.

[E]

That's past time.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Now it's the. It's the move to the back. It's the move to the back of the bus. Yeah, but those records are sacred. That's why no other sport. When someone tests positive for performance enhancing drugs.

[E]

Yes.

[C]

They don't reach the. They don't get the backlash that they get in baseball because those records are so sacred. Football player get popped, they're like, oh, oh, well, I can expect that. That's a hard ass game. I can see why he doing it right. Basketball, they don't say nothing. But when the records are so sacred, they don't want you tampering. They don't want you tampering with it. They don't. They don't. And they, they, they. Hey, you look at. You look at, like I said, watching Barry Bonds and I've seen some great players go back. He's the greatest player I ever saw my own eyes. Hey, the man would get one pitch a night. And they was walking the man intentionally with the bases loaded, loaded.

[E]

And he going yard every time.

[C]

He get one pitch a night. 1. And he hitting it hard somewhere. You hope he didn't hit it in McCovey Cole, but he gonna hit the COVID off the ball. I mean that though. You had. You had to see it to believe it.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And the guy could hit for average, hit for power. And that's the thing. People are. Oh, it's all steroids. Go look at Barry. Before he even got to San Francisco, he was a Hall of Famer. He had won three league MVPs.

[E]

Hey, steroids ain't helping that goddamn hand eyeball coordination, boy.

[C]

He won three. He finished second to Terry Pillage in one year. Probably should have won it that year. Yeah, go back and look at Barry. All the Golden Gloves he won, all the Silver Slug Awards he won. Hey, you got. Go ahead, JoJo.

[E]

That eye, that eye he had for the ball. There is nothing you can Take no, that's gonna enhance that goddamn eye. Being able to hit that guy, huh?

[C]

A gamble of carry juice today. They say, Carrie, help your eyesight. But see, you know, Barry came up as a lead off hitter.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, as a lead off. Yeah, you gotta have an incredible eye because your job is to get on base whether you. Whether you walk, get hit by a pitch, or put the ball in play and get on. So he had an incredible eye. So now you sliding back in the lineup with that eye.

[E]

It didn't matter where they pissed it. He was going to get it. Low, low, inside outside high. Man, stop playing

[C]

Greg Maddox. I mean, you look at the pictures and how they talk about him, Greg Max said he's the easiest guy to pitch to because if it didn't matter, you put his. If it mattered to put his ass on first. It's really that simple. Boy, they see this team. Kobe, so Magic, Garnett, Duncan, Elijah, one. And then you got Shay, Oscar, Durant, Giannis, and Chamberlain.

[D]

I know some people got something to say about these teams.

[C]

But the thing is, what the question is, Joe, which season of will you taking? He got a 44, 27. He got a 38, 22.

[D]

That don't even sound. They don't even sound real.

[C]

So just what season are you taking of his? Look at. I mean, Jordan average led the league in scoring, so. So I guess we're taking only the MVP seasons. So I'm. I'm assuming if. If my assumption is correct, we're taking these guys at their MVP season. Cause obviously LeBron. Jordan won the MVP in 1991 because Magic won at 90. Yeah, Jordan wanted in 91. Okay, so we're taking that. Obviously, Steph was a unanimous mvp. That was the. That was, you know, that was the year they won. No, that was.

[D]

Hey, he's been the only unanimous MVP, ain't he?

[C]

Two guys. Shaq finished one vote short. LeBron finished one vote short. Bird wanted 83, 84. Because Bird with 84, 85, 86. Kareem obviously 70, 71. But like I said, Kareem don't get the credit. Y' all gotta go look up Kareem numbers. Y' all gonna go look at Kareem's. Kareem averaging 33 and 16.

[D]

Man, the man had the scoring title before LeBron passed him. He. He had to be a bad boy.

[C]

Now six.

[D]

But the. Hey, hey, the one thing I'm looking at, six MVPs, it's just hard not to see Shaq on this list somewhere.

[C]

Bro.

[D]

He Was just. I mean, we call him the most dominant. He's probably the most dominant player to ever play the game. But not to have him on here, man.

[C]

Shaq. It wasn't even fair for Shaq.

[D]

It wasn't, bro. But hey, hey, but you can't take Hakeem off, because Hakeem was a real deal. He.

[C]

He gave both ends of the court. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best son that ever lived on both ends of the court. Ain't even close.

[D]

And, man, he ain't that tall.

[C]

I would say like six, nine and a half. Joke.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Put that joke.

[D]

But he got some long arms.

[E]

He got some footwork out this world.

[C]

Yeah. Cause he grew up with a soccer background.

[D]

Oh, oh, did he? I didn't know that.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

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[D]

Who's that bad boy?

[C]

I. I think they was telling the story because when they signed him, they didn't see. They didn't see you. They didn't know what he was. And so he'd show up at the airport, He said, hey, coach, say yeah, bring him in. Because you think about it, I think he averaged like, Maybe like. I don't think he averaged that many points. Cause you gotta realize he was playing with Clyde.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, they had a. They had a squad. They had Clyde Drexler, they had a Larry Meeshaw, they had a Akeem, they had a. I think Benny Anders. I think that was a small guard. They had five. Slammer jammer. That was. That's what they called. Because they dunking on everybody, man.

[D]

You talking about when he was in. When he was in college?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't. Don't know. On what's the dude from Memphis State, the little guard, Andre Turner, man, had his knees on the man head. Joe. Yeah.

[D]

They don't give Clyde a lot of credit either. Clyde was a bad boy. Help. I'm saying, outside of mj, when it came to two guards, he probably was the. The second best two guard in that era.

[C]

Yes, yes, yes. But, you know, sometimes, Joe, you happen to play the same position as the

[D]

best guy in that.

[C]

In the league at the time, you're not gonna get no credit. Look at all. Look at all the guys that played the quarterback position when Peyton and. And Brady was in their prime. Yeah, okay. And

[D]

hey, but think about this, though. If you was Portland, obviously, if you could redo that draft, maybe you still. Maybe you take MJ and Keith Clyde, too. Hell, put both of them on the same damn team instead of taking Bowie

[C]

took Sam, but, you know, back then. Oh, Joe. They played with the big. You had to get a big. If you think about it, Joe, it wasn't no little guys going. Going in the first round. Going, going number one overall. They were all bigs.

[D]

It wasn't. Man. But when you look at. When you look at MJ and I know we talk about the combine nowadays for basketball. Unk. He was. He killed the combine. He probably. Shit, he probably still got the highest 40 who joined in the.

[E]

Yeah, the highest what?

[C]

Bert did

[D]

what? He had like a 44 or something, they say. Like that.

[C]

Damn. But. But you think. But you think about it, Joe. Back then, everybody played inside out. Ain't nobody play outside in. So you took. You got the Kareems and you got the Clint, the Bensons, and you got the. The Joe Barry Carrolls, and you got the Sam Boys and you got the Elijah ones, and you got all those guys, and it's like. I mean, think about it. For a long time, you took the big until it was still. AI.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, we ain't never seen no guy that go that small go number one overall, Joe.

[D]

Nah, we haven't. But he was so dynamic, though, man. Like the way. The way AI took over college basketball. Because I remember watching him in Georgetown, he was so electric. And then you hear his story, you know, obviously, you know, having to go to. He did some jail time, and then coming out and going to college and being able to do. Man, please. You gravitate toward that, bro, because you. You gravitate toward it, and you want to see him win. And then he had John Thompson, too, who. Who everybody loved. You know what I mean? And obviously, you know, he did a hell of a job with AI, bro. Hell of a job.

[C]

Because you think they had a run. They had. They went an 83. Ralph Sampson, 84. Hakeem, 85. It was Patrick Ewing, because I know 87 went. Was David Robinson. I'm trying to think who the hell went no. 1 in 88? I mean, in 86. Because that was the. Oh, Joe. That was the draft that Lynn bias od' ed in.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Who went number one in 86? Because I think Chris Washburn. I think Chris Washburn went two. I can't remember who went one that year.

[E]

Say Lynn Bias was that boy, Joe.

[C]

What

[E]

in. In comparison, in today's game, who would he.

[C]

Who.

[E]

Who would he be on.

[C]

He was in college. He was better than Jordan.

[D]

Brad darling.

[C]

Brad. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Oo. You had to see it to believe it. He Had a jump shot.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Out of this. He had a midi. Out of this world. You talk about can elevate.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

No, when I say he could elevate, elevate. Yeah.

[D]

Hey, that was back. You know, they're back in the 80s. Ocho, you know what was going on?

[E]

I already know. Hey, I didn't hear that.

[C]

Boy. He was.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Cause, you know, that's. You know, being in the side, that's all you saw. We saw the accident. We saw. Dude, we saw. But you know, Maryland, he went to the University of Maryland. So we saw. We saw all of those games I had. We played against a guy called him Snake. He went to Southeast Bullock and he went to Clemson. And I said, man. I said, man, how good he like,

[D]

Sean,

[C]

this dude is unreal. He don't. He don't seem real. He said, he got all. He said, he'll finish. He'll dunk on your head. He got admitted. He can handle the ball. He's like, he ain't got no weakness, man. I said, man, he that good, man? He said, sean, he better than that good.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And they took him to pair him with Bird, Parish and Mikhail. So that was going to be the transition. As birds start to fade away, it's his team. They get bad luck. He ods on the night of the drive, basically the night of the draft. The night after the draft.

[E]

Damn.

[C]

Then they get Reggie Lewis. You remember Reggie Lewis had that heart condition?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

So they had a stretch of bad luck that. That doomed them because all the guys got old at once.

[D]

Hey, what's the guy name who played for Boston? He from Massachusetts. He went to Fresno State. The little white kid, you know, he used to. He said he was. He said he was doing.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I saw his story. I saw his story. I can't remember. I know who exactly you're talking about, Joe. I saw his story.

[D]

Can't remember his name.

[C]

ESPN had his story on.

[D]

Yeah, but you know, my rookie year when I got drafted to the Boston Celtics, he was there.

[C]

Was he?

[D]

Yeah, he was there. He was there working out, practice.

[C]

Oh, my goodness.

[D]

Chad. What's his name? Chad? I can't remember his name.

[C]

Chris Heron. Chris Heron?

[D]

Yeah. Chris Heron. Chris Heron. He was my rookie year. I never forget because it was 9 11. But when we got to Boston, we were training and working out. He was training and working out with us, but he'd always be sitting over to the side by himself. And I never understood why. You know, I'm a rookie. Hell, I'm just Trying to show that I belong. You know what I mean? But I'm like, unc, say, unc, I seen this story on espn. I was like, damn. Like, you never know what somebody going through, bro. And I seen this, man, every day, bro. In the practice facility, Ocho.

[C]

Every day. You know what, Joe? And that's why I had to stop lying. I. I mean, I had to stop judging people.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Because I'm look. I'm looking at. Because you don't know a guy's story. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Because I'm like, hold on. I grew up like this. This is how I grew up. I grew up with no indoor plumbing. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I had to think, what if they didn't have a married porter in their life? They had all of those things, but they didn't have a married porter, Right?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. I'm judging that by Brad. How could you mess, bro? You don't know what a person is going through.

[D]

Yeah, you don't.

[C]

And so I had to. I had to step back, man. It was for the longest time. I had to take my. My robe off. Cause I was judging like a mug.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I ain't gonna lie to you guys. I would judge you like, a month. I'm like, bro, you do all this. Why you. I was like, bro, you don't know. And, like, if I didn't tell you my story, if I. If I wasn't. Because my brother never really talked about it. People didn't know how we grew up until I talked about it. My brother never said a word. My sister never said a word. So nobody would have knew how my brother and I grew up had I not shared that at the Super Bowl. They went and took a picture of the house. I told them the house didn't have indoor plumbing. I told them they didn't have indoor water. I told him we had well water. I told him that we ran out of propane. We had to pull the. The space heater. We had to pull the heater from the. From the wall and then go cut wood. My brother and I would cut a tree down, chop it up, and bring back firewood. I told that story. That's when people like, bro, you actually live like that. Yeah. And you got what option that I have. Everybody doesn't get to fly to California. Some of us get to drive. Some of us have to catch the bus. Way back when, some people hitchhiked. That's a very dangerous situation. It was dangerous then, dangerous now.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

But everybody Everybody want to get to a location, but everybody don't get an opportunity to get there the same way. And so I had Joe Ocho, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I had to stop because I was judging like a book. It's just natural. I'm like, bro, how you. Yeah, I did. I told it all. My supposed to do with mad, too. You ain't got to tell everything. Say it's out now, it's out now. So I don't know what you want me to tell you, but it happened. They know. Never told that story. Never told it in high school, never told it in college. It wasn't until the super bowl that they did a story on me, and they went down there, they took a picture, and I remember, I never even told Burns. Burns, my best friend, never told him. Never told Bucket, man. Say, man, why didn't you tell me that? Ross Smith foots say, bro, you live like this in the 80s, bro. That's how people lived in the 40s and 50s. I'm like, yeah, until this day, people like, man, come on, man. You ain't. You think I'm proud of that? You think that's something I would. What up? What was I supposed to do? You got to make the best of a situation. I couldn't use that as an excuse. Well, you know, man, Ocho got running water. Joe got run running water. They got indoor plumbing. That's why I ain't make it. Motivated me even more, bro. You think I want to be in my 30s, 40s, and 50s living like that?

[E]

Oh, no.

[D]

That build character. Boy, they built some good character. I already know it.

[C]

That's why I got to get butt ball when I go to the bathroom, man.

[D]

What if I had to go use the bathroom in the woods and go, oh, man, you.

[C]

Well, they. Well, they had an outhouse. They had an outhouse until probably. Probably. Probably 69, 70. Because, you know, our house, what they do, they would put lime in it, and then you'd have to clean it out every so often because, you know you got seven, eight people going have a lockdown up off it, Ocho. Oh, man. But you put lime in there. That's how you know if you want to do something shady, sinister. I'm not recommending it. But you put live. Live destroys anything.

[E]

Damn, man.

[C]

Anything.

[E]

It.

[C]

Damn, Joe. The Grizzlies can't catch a break. NBA player, the one team they do not want to get traded to. And by a 3 to 1 margin, Memphis, at almost 36%, was number one. Damn. The Wizards at almost 12%. Number two, the Kings at almost 11%. Number three, New Orleans. The Pelicans at almost 7%, is number four. And then you got Brooklyn and Utah tied at 5%. You got Charlotte and Portland tired at number at 4.2%. New York. Damn. They don't want to play for what you call them. Knicks, 3.3%. You got Detroit and India, 2.5. And then you got Milwaukee and the Lakers at 1.7.

[D]

Damn. I. Can I. Hey, look, there's been a lot of disdain playing in Memphis for whatever reason. Don't nobody. Don't nobody want to go to Memphis for whatever reason. I don't know what it is. I. I knew that Memphis. And I knew the Pelicans. I knew they were going to be top four. For sure.

[C]

For sure. But they got. Hey, you like to eat. That's a good place for you. Because, you know, they got the barbecue. You know, Memphis got that barbecue. New Orleans got every. Everything they got that they had too, Fade. They got gumbo Joe. They got jumbo. They got the beignets, they got the frog. They got that gator tail.

[D]

Hey, you gotta have some. Hey, you gotta have some damn discipline by having. How you eat you in New Orleans.

[E]

Hey, hey, Joe, what you doing?

[C]

Other kind of tail, but go ahead, Joe. What you saying, Joe?

[E]

What you know about Cafe Dumont?

[D]

I don't know anybody. What's that? New Orleans.

[C]

That's what the beignets are.

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I. I can't. I can't eat like that.

[E]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you know, I'm getting. I'm getting ready for a marathon. Boy, come train with me. I get you right?

[C]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[D]

How you getting ready?

[E]

What marathon you gonna do in October?

[C]

The.

[E]

The New York Marathon.

[D]

Are you really. What you running now?

[C]

You do.

[D]

What you doing? You. You running a couple miles?

[E]

Yeah, I'm gonna start slow. I gotta start probably four miles and then. And work your way up. I got till October, so I should be fine by then.

[C]

Yeah, I don't like no gator. Gator is good, but you got. It's got to be hot because it'll be if it's really gamey. I mean, you got to really know what you're doing.

[E]

What you talking about? Cleaning gator. Eating it.

[C]

Eating.

[E]

Tastes like chicken, huh,

[D]

man?

[C]

Yeah, that's how you get a gator.

[D]

Yeah, I had some gator bites. Yeah, I'm thinking I had them in New Orleans, actually.

[E]

They were nice now. Hey, put a little. Hey, Joe. Put a Little lemon juice on there.

[C]

Yeah. I had a great uncle say, hell, if he know the tail was that good, he'd ate the whole damn gator. Man, but, you know, I didn't know you could eat garfish. People eat gar. Huh? You ever seen a Garfield? I ain't had no gar.

[E]

I don't know what that is. Huh?

[D]

Alligator Gar.

[C]

People eat that, we kill. We. We.

[D]

I ain't know.

[C]

They kill it and throw it on the hill.

[D]

Yeah, what it's called. Yeah.

[C]

Alligator gar.

[D]

Alligator gar.

[E]

Alligator.

[C]

Alligator gar. Now, I know we get a snapping turtle, we hey, we tear him up.

[D]

O Joe, y' all eat snapping turtle?

[C]

What? Soft shell? Absolutely. Only what we did. Them ponds and them streaky legs. But the soft shell of the alligator be big as a tin tub bottle. Tear him up. Ate his eggs, too. Ate our eggs too.

[E]

It looked like goddamn barracuda.

[C]

Yeah, man. People tell that girl he got scaled hey bad. They don't fight. They hey, they tear him up. Ocho, I didn't know you could eat. I ain't know you could eat a gar.

[D]

Hold on, hold on. I ain't never had no turtles.

[C]

Yeah, I had turtle soft shell and. And alligator turtle.

[D]

Real country.

[C]

Yeah, they eat it right now, I. Hey, my homeboy toot. I get you. My homeboy, too, probably like once every other month. Go have a turtle on the grill.

[E]

Oh, hey, these little alligator guards, they get big, boy.

[C]

Yeah, they get big. Alligator Snapping turtle get big, too. They get up to probably £100, 120, £450, Joe. Hey, Ocho, we call them. Y' all call them tinto. We used to call number. Number two, washtub, tin tub, same thing.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you. Yeah. Hey, where we from? You fish. You fish enough, you're gonna catch you. You gonna catch you a couple guards or two alligator guards.

[C]

You know what I'm saying, Joe? They talk about what you fish for. Whatever biting. All I do is bait the hook. Whatever bite. If crappy, if bluegill, red breast, white perch, catfish, it did bass, it did not matter. If you bit that hook and I put you. Yeah, you coming home. I'm gonna strain your ass up, throw you out there in the water so you stay fresh. And when it's time to go and we go at home, we gonna skin you, we gonna scale you, bust you down the middle, and my grandma gonna throw your ass in some hot grease. That's what we fish for. Whatever bite.

[D]

Facts. Yeah, facts, boy.

[E]

Hey, I don't see how y' all do that, Uncle Joe.

[C]

Boy, how y' all do what?

[E]

Go fishing. Man, I ain't got the patience, bro.

[C]

Okay, what were you gonna eat?

[E]

Okay, okay. If you're doing it for survival, that's, that's different. But I just. I'm just saying. I just. I can't.

[D]

Boy.

[C]

So you thought. So you really thought I looked forward to having a. A mess of quail? I mean, I like quail, but you thought I like having squirrel and rabbit and raccoon and pop. You thought I liked the turtle. You thought I liked that, huh? I would rather have Wagyu, to be honest with you.

[E]

Listen, I tried that wagon. Now I know about it now.

[C]

Hey, hey, Cat. You know cat. Hey, catfish. Hey, hey, them people used to come by. Mayor, I got a mess of fish out here for. You want it?

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

And I'll be. I'll be wanting to push that. Man, why you stop at this house if you want to get married? A mess of fish. How about you clean them before you bring him over here? Damn it.

[D]

Right, right.

[C]

Boys, go out there get the fish for your granny. Now we gotta go get newspaper. Joe, if they fish, we got a scala or we gotta get cat skinners.

[D]

Oh yeah, that's some worry, boy.

[C]

Maybe we got some peas. You know, you can pick them on the share. Yeah, we'll be there tomorrow. Me and e boys.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

What you mean you and e boys? How you volunteer in our service? Granny,

[D]

she said y' all living under

[C]

wash, pulling peanuts, potatoes, butter beans, snap.

[D]

Like I said, I already know.

[C]

If I don't work another manual labor job in my life. Oh Shea good.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh Shade good. Oh, Shay good. Man, it's been a many times I would we going home on the bus and I look to my left and I see my grandma in the pea patch, knowing I got to come up out of my school clothes and I gotta walk down there and help her. Spanky gotta walk down there. We gotta helper. You don't know how many times I got on the bus. My aunts, my sister chasing hogs because they done got out. You not going to school. You going to get them hogs back in. My grand ain't care nothing about no damn school when it came time to work. Oh, you going to miss school if you got to put drop budworm pearls in. And you got to do something in them fields. Oh, you better believe it. Them halls got out from somewhere. Oo, guess what? You got to walk until you find out where they got. They went out at, got out at, then you got to fix it up. Barney Porter got butter from a duck.

[D]

She got what from a duck?

[C]

Porter got butter from a duck. Yeah, you ain't. Yeah, you ain't even know. You ain't even know you get butter from a duck. Barney Porter get it up at you. That joker ain't believe in nothing but hard work. Hard, hard, hard work. And you were not too young to work. And so that's. That's how I grew up, man. I. I hate bro. I'm like, bro, how you dislike lazy. That's why I say hard work don't never. Ain't never bothered me, Joe. Yeah, that's why I could work. That's why I could be out there in. In football. I tell people all the time, they say, huh? I say, football is the easiest job I ever had. Same because I'm only out there at. At the longest we gonna be out there o is three hours.

[E]

That's it.

[C]

Imagine going to the field from cake to cake. You can't see when you get in the field. You can't see when you leave.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Work 12 hours a day and make $5, 250. Work till noon on Saturday. Bring home 27.50 the corner store, $11. Now I bring home 1650.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

For 66 hours of work, man, please. And then by the time I get my grandma, when I got up there big enough, I could crop tobacco because the croppers, they got 16 a day. I walk behind to the back of picker.

[D]

Yeah, I got five dollars.

[C]

Then they bumped me up to eight. Joe, my cousin Lanny ask him. I know somebody in class didn't know my cousin Lanny. He done talked me up, man. Hey, hey, hey, cuz, man, they working up. Cuz we need a raise. I said, huh? I ain't know what no raise was. I said, what that must a raise, man. You give. He give us more money. I said, I don't know.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I don't think Mr. Joe gonna give us no more money. Lanny, he said, man, you need to ask him. He two years older than me. Why I gotta ask? Why you can't ask? You the one that recommended me. I let him talk me to go to ask. I said, Mr. Joe, he said, my name was Peewee because I was real small. My cousin named Lanny, he was name was Sundown. Because it got late one day. Say, Mr. Joe, it's time for us to knock off. The sun done gone down. So he got the name Sundown. I got peewee. I said, Mr. Joe, he said, what is it, peewee? I say, Mr. Joe, we need a raise. I said, man, we be working hard. He said, who is we? I said, me and Lanny. I said, man. I said, Mr. Joe, we be working hard. He said, how much raise you need, Pee Wee? I said, a dollar. Why did I say $2? If I knew he was gonna say yeah like that, I'd have said, $2. I said. I said, a dollar. He said, okay, Peewee. Y' all do you and old Sundown, y' all be working hard. Got that dollar rate. So now we go from five to six.

[D]

Yeah, man.

[C]

Soon as that man gave me that. Say we got a dollar raise. Yo, me and. Me and cuz with the playing, we ain't doing what we supposed to. We running, knocking the leaves off. Libby, get home, Granny. All them boys do all land and Shannon do is play. Running through the field, knocking the leaves off. My grandma. This is where I get it from. My grandma said, that's all she said, Ocho. That's all she said, Joe.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Next morning, I thought granted them going to work. Brandon sitting right there on the porch. Joe, he said, yeah, Mary, how you doing? She said, I'm doing good. She said, libby told. Libby told me you gave them boys a raise and say all they did was play Mary that, you know, they just little boy. She said, take it back.

[E]

Oh,

[C]

I wanted to fight Granny. He took it back. From that time on, I remember we walking off the port, she ain't say nothing. We got back home that afternoon. She said, boy, a man pays you an honest day salary, you give him honest days work. Don't play on that man job. Yeah, you want to play, stay your ass home. From that point on, I couldn't have been no more than seven or eight. From that point on, you will never find another boss that said I messed around the bull job on the job. That learned me right there. You know what it taught me? Somebody taking what if you ain't doing what you're supposed to? And that's exactly what they doing in pro sports, Ocho. Won't they. Won't they cut your pay if you. If you actually playing on the job?

[E]

They do it. They do it like that in real life, too, now.

[C]

Yeah, learn my lesson. You ain't got to tell me no more. Hey, man pointed out, it's like, damn, Popeye done pass. I laugh. Damn, Granny, I thought we gonna have a Gucci. I think she wrote. She wrote us harder. Was Popeye passed in what Popeye did

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