Best of NBA News Part 2: AJ Dybantsa DRAFTED No. 1 overall to Wizards + Every NBA No. 1 OVERALL pick RANKED since 2000 + Wemby's height a DISADVANTAGE?

Summary

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Nightcap: Best of NBA News Part 2

Episode Title: AJ Dybantsa DRAFTED No. 1 overall to Wizards + Every NBA No. 1 Overall Pick Ranked since 2000 + Wemby's Height a Disadvantage?
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (with Joe and friends)
Release Date: June 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this energetic NBA-focused episode, the Nightcap crew tackles the 2026 NBA Draft’s headline moves, particularly AJ Dybantsa’s selection at #1, and delivers lively debate on Bleacher Report's ranking of No. 1 overall picks since 2000. The team dives into whether Victor Wembanyama’s extreme height is more curse than blessing, how expectations shape young stars, and how today’s player pathways and mindsets are reshaping the league. The banter is sharp, informed, and always unfiltered, combining NBA history, inside-the-league anecdotes, and a healthy dose of comedic chemistry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bleacher Report’s Top 1 Picks Since 2000: Rankings & Debates

(03:38–07:02)

• LeBron James as #1:

  • Universally agreed as the top #1 pick.
  • “You ain’t never gonna be… He always gonna be number one.” — Uncle Ocho (05:00)
  • Emphasis on LeBron exceeding all imaginable expectations as a franchise savior and record-setter.

• Debating Other Placements:

  • Surprise over Deandre Ayton ranked above Kenyon Martin (17 vs 18).
    • “Ain’t no way in hell I’m putting Deandre Ayton in front of Kenyon Martin. No way in here.” — Joe (03:38)
  • Derrick Rose’s case to be higher due to unique achievements: youngest MVP, Chicago native picked #1, wore #1.

• The Pressure of Being #1:

  • “If you the number one pick, boy, the bullseye on your back so big you supposed to be franchise altering.… You’re supposed to be a hydrogen bomb.” — Joe (07:41)
  • Rookies become targets (“I can make a name for myself off of you”). Only one #1 each year; immense pressure and privilege.

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2. NBA Draft 2026: AJ Dybantsa Goes #1 to the Wizards

(27:11–38:45, recap at 41:48)

• Why AJ Dybantsa Was the Obvious Choice:

  • “Everybody knew that man was gonna go one. I don’t give a damn who had the number one pick.” — Uncle Ocho (28:16)
  • Dybantsa brings a “total package” at 6’9” with NBA-ready size and skills, expected to thrive alongside Anthony Davis and Trae Young.
  • His efficiency (led NCAA in scoring at ~52–53%) and advanced feel for the game get high praise.

• Washington’s New Big Three:

  • With AD and Trae Young, Dybantsa won’t bear the entire scoring load.
  • “We just want a… Give us a solid 16 [points]. Can you give us a solid 16 to 20?” — Joe (35:23)
  • Both veteran stars (and the organization) are seen as positioned for a turnaround if they stay healthy and cohesive.

• Dybantsa’s Path & Mentality:

  • Chose BYU over blue-bloods to carve his own legacy, with significant NIL income (“7 or 8 to 9 million, just for that one year” — Uncle Ocho, 31:48).
  • Notable family moment: asked the commissioner to announce his full name in honor of his father from the Congo.
  • Wizards believed to have made the right pick, and panel expects him to elevate the team and draw excitement in DC; fans will rush for tickets.

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3. Rookies and Fit, Franchise Building, and Today’s Player Mindsets

(29:36–33:55), (35:44–38:49)

• Rookie Integration in DC:

  • Dybantsa enters with a strong supporting cast.
  • Wizards expected to make one of the year’s largest leaps in the Eastern Conference.

• Financial Insights:

  • Dybantsa set for $69 million over 4 years—panel jokes about rookie deals as appetizers and securing generational wealth.
  • “Once I start getting to that 212, that 200, that 300. I ain’t touching that.” — Joe (39:01)

• Family & Support:

  • Segment highlights the positive trend of multi-parent households among draftees this year.
  • Dybantsa’s father is highly involved, possibly even forgoing a traditional agent to help manage his career.

• Advice for Rookies:

  • “Do not lose sight of how you got here, bro. Do not fall in love with the things that it brings. You gotta stay in love with the grind…” — Uncle Ocho (41:04)
  • The journey doesn’t end at being drafted—it starts.

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4. NBA News and Rumors: Trades, Contracts, and More

(13:12–15:05, 17:34–20:09, 27:11–29:36)

• Heat–Bucks–Giannis Drama:

  • Bucks' owner Jimmy Haslam preferred the certainty and assets from Miami over Boston’s risky offer (fear of Jalen Brown demanding out).
  • Tyler Herro’s hometown ties noted, but panel jokes about Miami being an upgrade over Milwaukee, lifestyle-wise.

• LeBron James Miami Rumors:

  • Panel jokes about the slim possibility of LeBron returning to Miami (“that’d be a hell of a team for him to be on”), but agree it’s a long shot given team dynamics and his financial situation.

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5. Is Wemby’s Height a Disadvantage?

Main Segment: (54:31–68:21)

• Draymond Green’s Take:

  • “Being 7’5” almost does him a disservice… Once you get to this level, you gonna run up against guys who’s way stronger, that moves as fast or faster, and they play way lower to the ground.” — Draymond Green (54:50)
  • Discussion on how Wemby’s unique blend of skills is partly compromised by the challenges of extreme height (easier to physically root out of position by smaller, strong players).

• Panel Analysis:

  • Defensive impact is immense (blocking threes, rim protection), but offensively he struggles at times to establish inside position due to leverage issues.
  • “Because he’s so tall, it’s easy to root him out…Caruso just gets up on him, it root him out of his spot.” — Joe (56:12)
  • Wembanyama needs to build lower-body strength and develop a “signature shot” or set of reliable post moves, similar to NBA legends.
  • Expectation is he’ll gain strength and craft as he matures—a transition compared to the career growth of Giannis and Shaq.

• On Adaptation and Growth:

  • “Getting here was the easy part; it’s staying here that gets hard.” — Joe (42:09)
  • The panel predicts Wemby will continue to evolve physically and stylistically, likely aided by development with legends like Hakeem Olajuwon and Kevin Garnett.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On LeBron’s legacy:
  “Whatever expectations you had… did you anticipate the most points ever? Did you anticipate most points, top five in assists, most career playoff games, most career playoff points, second most playoff career triple everything?” — Joe (06:11)

• On rookie money plans:
  “Your rookie contract, that’s your appetizer. Then, you know, you get that bag, that’s your full course meal. Now you go for a little dessert after that.” — Uncle Ocho (38:49)

• On young players making unconventional college choices:
  “He said, I go there, I’m automatically a Mount Rushmore player… Not too many players… had that kind of confidence where it doesn’t matter where I go to school. The show is going to come to me wherever I go.” — Joe’s Friend (31:24)

• On player development:
  “You gotta have a counter to the counter… That’s it.” — Joe & Uncle Ocho on developing offensive moves (66:42)

• On marriage and life wisdom (podcast banter):
  "Getting married is easy. Staying married is the hard part." — Joe (43:39)

• On judging yourself by your own standards:
  "Be careful judging your success with someone else's ruler." — Joe (48:06)

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Segment Timestamps

• 03:38: Bleacher Report’s No. 1 pick rankings since 2000 and panel reactions
• 05:00: LeBron James praised as the transcendent #1 pick
• 07:02: Pressure and legacy of being #1 overall
• 13:12: NBA trade rumors — Giannis, Heat, and Bucks
• 17:34: LeBron to Miami rumors, cap details, speculation
• 27:11: 2026 NBA Draft rundown, AJ Dybantsa analysis
• 31:50: Dybantsa’s BYU decision, NIL money, and family role
• 35:23: Expectations for Dybantsa as a rookie with Wizards
• 41:04: Advice for rookies—staying focused, not chasing the trappings
• 54:31: Draymond Green’s Wembanyama comments and height debate begins
• 56:12: Why it’s easy to push Wemby off his spot offensively
• 65:44: Offseason training advice for Wemby—seek out KG and Hakeem
• 66:42: Footwork and signature offensive moves for big men
• 68:21: Episode wraps with further discussion on long-term development

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Summary Points

• AJ Dybantsa’s #1 selection to the Wizards is both expected and lauded as a major franchise opportunity; his confidence, family support, and skillset point toward immediate impact.
• Bleacher Report’s all-time #1 pick list sparks laughter and debate, with strong support for LeBron and calls for more respect for Derrick Rose, Kenyon Martin, and players who overcame injuries or exceeded expectations.
• Victor Wembanyama’s generational height presents both unique advantages (defense, versatility) and unexpected challenges (leverage, offensive positioning), leading to in-depth reflection on how he—and similarly tall players—must adapt.
• Wisdom, humor, and lived experience color advice for rookies (financial, basketball, and life), making the episode as insightful as it is entertaining.

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This episode is a must-listen for draft junkies, NBA history buffs, and fans curious about life between the lines—the Nightcap crew keeps it real, unfiltered, and always engaging.

Transcript

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

All right, Joe, let me know what you think. Bleacher Report ranked every number one pick since 2000. The top 10 are LeBron James at 1, Wemby at 2, AD at 3, Dwight Howard at 4, Kyrie at 5, Cat at 6, Ant man at 7, Yao Ming at 8, Blake Griffin at 9, Cade Cunningham at 10. And then you go Derrick Rose, Zion Williamson, John Wall, Cooper Flag. Paulo Bankero, Ben Simmons, deandre Ayton, Kenya Martin, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Wiggins. Oh, damn. They kept going. Greg Odin, Andre, Barnyani Markel, folks. Zachariah Richard. Yeah. Kwame Brown and Anthony Bennett. Man, ain't no way in hell I'm putting. I'm putting deandre Ayton in front of Kenya Martin. No way in here.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Where they got Ken at. What they got.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

They got Kenya at 18. They got Deandre Ayton at 17. Come on, Joe. Come on, Joe. They doing too much, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, listen, listen. Everybody know, man. Kenya was a dog boy in college. One of the only guys who really, at that time, he probably hadn't been a four year guy.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He's the last guy to be a senior and come out and come out

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

and go number one.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Go number one overall.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

They don't. That, that, that, that's rare, bro. That don't happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, this list can fluctuate. You know, some can stay, but it can fluctuate a little bit. I don't know how, but I probably moved Derrick Rose up on the list a little bit, considering the fact that he from Chicago they drafted him number one. He wore number one. He was the youngest mvp.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

I like.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

I like Derrick Rose to probably move up a little bit on that list.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I mean, Paolo Bancaro, I mean, he was an All Star. And y' all got Cooper flag in front of him.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, hey, give or take.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I mean, they got a lot of. They got a lot of. Look, LeBron was rookie of the year when Miyama was with you. Of the year.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

It don't. It don't get. It don't get much better.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Kyrie Cat.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

I think Ant man, you know, it don't get no better than LeBron is. Cause Cleveland had the number one pick. Cleveland. I mean, and then him. For him to turn out to be what he is today, like you ain't never gonna be. He always gonna be number one.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, he is.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. It's crazy because he.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Even though the expectations you had for him.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, he exceeded those. Hello.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He did. Let that sink in for just a second. Whatever expectations you had. Yeah, I think he's gonna be great. Did you anticipate the most points ever?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. No.

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No.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Did you anticipate most points, top five and assists? Most career play, most career playoff games, Most career playoff points, Second most playoff career, triple everything. I mean, Finals MVP with three different teams, lead three different teams to the NBA Finals. So whatever you had for him, he exceeded it. So I agree with you. I mean, if you have it all time, he's gonna be. He might be. If. If you rank all the number one overall draft picks, you throw magic in there, you throw Kareem in there. LeBron still gonna probably be number one.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hello. I'm with you. I'm with you when you're right now.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Because I think those. Those would be the only two that would be the only two that's even in the conversation. We're not even putting nobody else in the conversation. No, we. Damn. We're not putting Kent Benson and we're not putting Joe Barry Carroll, and we're not putting there a lot of guys I'm not gonna name. Look, congratulations. Being number one overall draft pick is a huge, huge accomplishment, man. Everybody, that. The mere fact that you on this list, you're the. Think about it, all the players that's been number one, there's only one of those per year for 80 years, I bet.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, I bet it. It come with a lot of weight and pressure too, boy.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Because I. I think if you the number one pick, boy, the bullseye on

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

your back so big you supposed to be franchise altering. You're supposed to. You're supposed to be a hydrogen bomb.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

That's what you're supposed to be.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. And when guys play against you, you gonna always get they best game.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

I'm talking about you.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Like, damn, man, I can make a name for myself off of you.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

There you go. It just take one game. That's it.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Go ahead, Ocho.

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[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

I was gonna say, but you think the Bonds are ready for all that, Joe?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, he ready for Ocho.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, Joe, this ain't college now. This ain't byu. We talking about we playing getting grown men. They got families to feed now.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, but these kids built a little different uncle and Ocho, you know, they. They. I think they prepare for the moment. You know, they. They love the bright lights, the big stage. You know, he already has a. A nice NBA body at 6 9. He got the total package, bro. I'm telling you, he gonna be nice. I just. I hope. What. What. What I envision is that Trey and AD Guide him along the way. Help him. Help. Help him be a great player. You know what I mean? Because it's different sometimes, Uncle Ocho, when you got guys like Trey, you know, he just got his money. Congrats. But, you know, he trying to prove that he is worth 212 million sometimes, you know, you can kind of lose sight of what you really just need to bring. You know what I mean? Same thing with AD he trying to get a new contract, so, you know, and adding AJ debonsa in the middle of that, I just think it's a perfect piece, you know, if those guys do it the right way. And I'm gonna be watching the Wizards this year, man. That boy, he can go, man.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I thought. Hold on. What pick? With the lakers. Okay, the Lakers took Cameron Carr. What pick was that, Ash?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

The 24th pick.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Okay. Cameron Carr. Okay, my bad, my bad. I apologize. Chat. I don't know why I say Sergio DeLaria. The Lakers take Cameron Carr with the 20, with the 24th pick. So. So did they. Did they move back in the draft or. They were all. They were always 24. 24. They were 25. Okay, so. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. So that's why. Okay, okay. I apologize. Chat.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I think. I think. Hey, look, some of these guys who went late in this first round, man, you going. You go into great opportunities and show up and show out.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Depending on where you went, huh?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, man, listen, you get to win early in your career. You get to play on great teams. And then if you have the potential to be who they think you can be. Hey, man, I. I've seen some guys, you know, go in them. Them late first rounds and be hall of famers.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tars Reed, I like him going to San Antonio for the simple fact. Oh, Joe, he can't be worse than Cornette. They got a 610 center.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, come on, don't do him like that, man.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Cornette was terrible. I think they used to have a coordinate paper towel. Chad, didn't they used to have a coordinate paper towel?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, man. Come on with.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Who's that? She was a comedian. She was a singer that used to advertise for coordinate paper towels. Who was that, Chad? I know y' all know and look and see if they didn't have a cornet paper towel. I'm almost certain they did.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, this. This. This was a nice draft, man. I got to come out there and check these boys out in Vegas, man.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Who's the lady that did the commercial? She had black hair. I can't think of that lady's name.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Ah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I was a kid when that was out. Rosemary Clooney. That's who it was. See, that was before your time. See what I'm saying, Joe? Hey, I know.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, I do. I say there's a paper towel called Rosemary Clooney. Yep. But this list, like I said, I'm def. I am not putting DeAndre Oton over Kenya Martin. And Kenya Martin came back from microfacture.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

People don't realize Kenyan Martin used to jump out the gym. A hell of a defensive player. And he wasn't no hell of. I mean, he wasn't. No. He was just a grown man.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Right.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He was a senior. He wasn't a freshman. He wasn't so, boy, the junior, he was a senior. He was like Bill, but he was strong.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

He had that dog mentality.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Cause you had to be. Think about what you were battling back then. You were battling grown men. You gotta battle. Oh, you gotta battle a big. I'm talking about big, Big bodies back then.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Not these stretches.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

They ain't no.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, Dirk was really the only stretch back then. Everybody else, they banged. Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey. You had to have that dog mentality. Them boy. Trying to go through you, boy.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Sources say Bucks owner Jimmy Haslam Lord was the driving force to take in taking a heat deal for Giannis over Boston's offer. Haslam did not want to risk Jaylen Brown wanting out of Milwaukee in A year after dealing with Giannis and Miles Gad trade demands Haslam. Damn. Haslam. I forgot he had bought the majority share of the book.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Anyway, let me finish this right here. Has the water certainty and Miami deal provided more than that with the total assets in return to Milwaukee? I get it.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Because the last thing I want to do is trade a guy. I'm trading a guy for a guy that's gonna want the same thing in a year.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yep.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

What's to say? What's to say Jalen Brown is not going to want to trade right now? What do I do? These other guys coming in take Tyler heroes. But I said get out of my office.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He wanted to trade Camp Blue do slam.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, and they know. They know Jalen Brown gonna request probably another max contract.

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You know, and they know, hell, if we. If we can't get him to agree to a deal on this trade, then when we get him. Yeah. In a year, he gonna be raising hell. We already know that you don't want. Yeah, you right. We rather deal with Tyler Hero get killer wherever here some guys who gonna play hard. Tyler Hero from Milwaukee. Hell. So he coming home? Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He grew up, what, 35, what, 30. 35 miles? 30 miles, 40 miles.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

But he probably. Look, home is a great place to visit. I ain't really tried to live there. Joe, you mean to tell me you think I want to leave south beach in Miami that well for Milwaukee?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, I don't know, man. You know, when you. When it's a place, when you from a place, it kind of hit a little different, you know what I mean? Like, he'd have been in south like that. Hey, look, hold on. He didn't been in south beach for so long, Uncle Ocho, that it may not be that exciting to him no more. He can still keep his place down there, Uncle Ocho.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

It's still exciting.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, I'll come back. I'll come back.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I was on Tick Tock today. It still look exciting to me. I don't know. I don't know what it looked like for what. What your TikTok said, but my Tick Tock look like South Beach. Kick it, pop it.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, you know how to. You know how to work Tick Tock?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I don't know how to work no Tick Tock, Coach. I just made it up. I don't even know how to get on Tik Tok, okay? If I get on Tick Tock, I can only get on Tick Tock when I'm around Jordan Jordan ain't around. Hey, hell, I didn't know I had tick tock. Hey, yeah, so, no, I just. I just made that up. But I'm just saying, you know, hey, Milwaukee, South Beach. Milwaukee, South Beach.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Right. You're right. Hey, ain't no telling what you might see, boy.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, man, listen.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, Joe, I don't really go down that way, you know, obviously. You know, I went to school on the beach. High school. You know, in my younger days, Memorial Day weekend, I used to go out there. But, Joe, I ain't been out there, win a long time, boy.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, you ain't been out there, don't you.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, I ain't trying to see nothing out there.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, you don't. You got you something good. I mean, Cambodia, she was nice to me, so I like Cambodia. Yeah, you need to do right.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, man. Uncle already know you a fake, right? Go left ass.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, we already know that. Yeah, yeah, we already know you a magician.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Whatever did that.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Look right here. Look right here, right off the screen.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

I'm right here now. I ain't going nowhere. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

We.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

We all good.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, there we go. See what I'm saying?

[Sports Commentator]

Joe?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

What I tell you not to tell him? Hey, man, you know this man can't hold water.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, man, hey. Oh, I hit that, man. I hit that, man. Talking about Ronaldo today. How I seen Ronaldo cut a rug today and he want to spill in the bean. He could have.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, man, you, You. I'm like, damn, I told you, Joe.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, I just want to make sure we all on the same page now. Hey, listen. Hey, I ain't gonna say I'm ever

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

playing anything with this man. Chad, I'm telling you, you'll get busted.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

I'm see y', all, boy. I'm gonna see y'. All.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, Lord. LeBron James returning to Miami cannot be ruled out per Barry Jackson. I'm the one try to L free agent LeBron James with his full mid level exception. But James return is considered a long shot, though. Nothing can be ruled out. Damn, Ash, how much is the. The heat mid level exception?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

What's that, about eight?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

So that's. Let's see, that's 630. That's 630,000 per million dollars. So all things being equal, that's about $5.2 million after taxes, man. LeBron might say, I'm gonna go ahead retire. I could. I could draw that my Little investments. I could get that. I can get that. I get that a month on my investments.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You. Hey, hey, hey, hey, you absolutely right, but, boy, that'd be a hell of a team for him to be on. What?

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

I. I ain't gonna say nothing, but

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

I don't know if. I don't know if he would want to go back and.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

And. And deal with Pat and open.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, I don't know if he want to go back and deal with that.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey, hey, Braun, I know you're gonna see this, boy.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hold on.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Look, I think Rich had. I think Rich had some people in tonight's draft. He hit me up. I'm trying to get him. I'm trying to get Rich on.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, get him on.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He said. He said he wanted to come on, so.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, but, man, hey, I don't know.

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

They can.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

They can run the East. They can be one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference now.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, we go. We gonna. We gonna run it if he don't come.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

No, y' all ain't running nothing but y' all mouth.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Okay?

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

You hear me?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, the mid level exception. 15 million. I might work with it. Hey, Joe, Joe, I might work with that. 15 a year is 630, 000 every million. So.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

So 10.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

That'll be 600. That'll be 6.3 million with another 5. 6, 6, 6, 6, 5, 3. That's about. Roughly about 10. After taxes, we're looking at about 10. 10.2 million.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, we good.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

2 million.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Back to the heat, huh?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Ain't gonna lie.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Pat, Pat, no. You don't try to pull a rank on me. I'm good.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

You're gonna let back on. Be back on.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

No, I ain't letting Ish.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey, you let. We let that. You let that go in Cleveland now, and you went back to Cleveland, won a title. Can you, man?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

But I. But see. But see, that. That. But see, winning a title in Cleveland, that what made me the goat, right?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

But think about this, man. You put him. Giannis, Bam. And you sprinkling some cats around them some.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hold on. Don't forget Clay. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, but, hey, I can see that, Joe. What about my cookies? That man Threw my cookies away that my. That my. My chef made.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, we trying. We trying to win a title, man.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

My ice cream.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, we were. We trying to win a title.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

My whole cookie. I mean, my chef. Those cookies special for me. You know, I bring my own food on the road, Joe. Right.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

You know, that we trying to get and what.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You know what I said. Excuse me. Excuse me. Chad. When I'm playing cards, you know. Hey, excuse me. I'm sorry. Hey, rain, no cookies.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, that's in the past. We.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

We.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You know, we get you.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

But south beach gonna be back on fire.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, that's in the past, huh? Hold on. Is this the man that just told me last. Oh, oh, oh. Didn't he tell us the other night? He ain't one of the people to let stuff go.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Your girl do something, you know, back.

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, no, I'm done. I'm out.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, that's him.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You told me, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, it depends on what you do.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. Oh, so the cookie. The cookies.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

If I leave, you did something pretty bad.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah, but I know.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

What can you do to get. What. What could she do to get you back?

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Apologize.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. So we have a private conversation.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You can't pull that meat up out of hoohah, though. You can't apologize for that. Yeah, you apologize for that.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, that. That. That's too.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

How you apologize for throwing my cookies in the trash.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, well, cookies and Hoohah, that's two completely different things.

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

What they call. What they call that cookie. What they call the cookie.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

The hooah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Okay.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, he sounded like. Yo.

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Goodbye later for y'.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

All.

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[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, bro. Hey, Bron. We'll see Braun in a minute, man. Dive back down in Miami, man. Hey, Clay, Holl at your boy when you touch down.

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

The draft board. AJ Debonza, a 6 foot 9 forward out of BYU, number one overall, Darren Peterson, a 6 foot 5 guard out of Kentucky. Kansas, number two, Cameron Boozer, the 6 foot 8 freshman out of Duke Gold, number four, number three. And Caleb Wilson, the Chicago Bulls. Caleb Wilson goes to Chicago Bull, a 6 foot 9 freshman. Also, AJ DiVonza. We watched him play. He's unbelievable handling the ball. Something that he spoke about that he wanted to be the number one overall draft pick. Hey, remember Cooper Flag was really supposed to be in this draft. Joe and Ocho, he reclassified.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. He wouldn't have been the number one pick, I tell you that.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

You don't think so?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Nah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, all I'm saying is he reclassified. He was supposed to be in this draft. He reclassified. That's all I'm saying. I don' what would or wouldn't happen that's better. Long Joe expertise. But when you look at AJ Debonza, a 6 foot 9 guy, he's going to what seems to be a nice, a pretty decent team. He got Trey Young that recently resigned. We don't know what's going to happen with AD it's being reported his agent is looking for a contract extension. He may or may not receive. Or he may get the extension and then be traded. We don't know, but let's check. Talk about debonza and going to the Washington Wizard. Joe, what do you like about this move, man?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, listen, I Love this move, Uncle Ocho, because he's a rookie coming in, playing with, you know, two. Arguably. Not arguably, but hall of Famers, and Anthony Davis and Trae Young, two guys who can make his. Who can really bring out his full game, you know what I mean? It won't be a whole lot of pressure on him to come in and average no. 25, you know what I mean? Even though the Wizards has. Haven't been in the postseason the past few years, I'm telling y', all, I think they can make the biggest jump in the Eastern Conference. You keep. If Trey and A.D. obviously, if they can stay healthy, I think they got a great chance. They got guys who can. Who can score the rock, who can shoot the Rock, who can play, make, who can defend. And I just think AJ Is a total package, bro. We've been talking about this for the past few months now. Hell, the past year, everybody knew that man was gonna go one. I don't give a damn who had the number one pick. That man was going one so great fit. I'm happy for him. I can't wait to see these young dudes in action. Okay, Ocho, you know the. The summer league. I'm gonna be down there in Vegas for the summer league.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I gotta let your boy know it.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Y' all ain't gonna leave me. I'm coming, too. Hey, don't leave me. But I'm coming.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You always talk about you gonna do something. You ain't coming because the Subtle League gonna be going to Ojo. The World Cup?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, the World Cup.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Wait, hold on, Joe. When's summer league? What's the date?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

It's always. It starts in July. Like July 8th, 9th, all the way to about like the 20th or something like that.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. I'm gonna swing through there. Because remember now, by the time it gets to July, remember, it ain't gonna be that many games, man. So if anything, you know, I'm gonna come out there, chill with y'. All, Check out some of these. Some of the young bucks see what they could do.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, Chad, y' all hear these old two country bums here talking about July?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

What?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

It's July.

[Sports Commentator]

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Here we go. Here we go, Here we go, Here we go. Here we go.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I already know, you know, Joe. Joe, I'll be back. He deep off in Arkansas, you know. Y' all know Joe Country. I'm talking about, like, corn cob and our house country. Yeah, I vote that joke, you know, Watched a little bit. Look, I Tried to catch, obviously, I tried to catch the BYU games when they're on television.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Watching him because, you know, his projections. And I was at ESPN when he came on and declared where it was going. I'm like, byu then it donned them. Hey, BYU got money, too. They got people that got money. And I am what he went to. He went to a prep school out there. So it kind of was a natural fit. He's very familiar with that area. Very familiar. And hey, he's like, you know what they have? I think Danny Ainge went the highest. But Danny Ainge was also an outstanding baseball player. Got drafted, if I'm not mistaken, by the Blue Jays. He's like, look, me going to Duke, me going to North Carolina, what makes me any different than anybody else that's going there and end up going number one overall?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Absolutely.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He wanted to be you. A lot of times you see, guys now want to be unique. Ocho and Joe, they like, I want to make my own legacy.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Legacy.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, all these teams, they are. Lucy, they got legacies.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

BYU ain't really got a whole. They got Danny Ainge, they got Jimmer for that. They got who? The other guy from byu, Danny A. Jim for that. Sean Bradley, I think so. It ain't a whole lot of as far as legacy wise with that program. He said, I go there, I'm automatically a Mount Rushmore player, you know, and not.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Not too many players, especially when you're that young, had that kind of confidence where it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter where I go to school. The show is going to come to me wherever I go. That's what I'm gonna put Bus in to see that. Obviously, the Bonds. I understand that he's that type of player where it really didn't matter what school I went to. They was regardless.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Well, listen, listen.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I want you to witness a battle State.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

He still would have went number one.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He still would have went number one. Ojo, you're absolutely right.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, all that cute. All that's cute and fine and dandy. But. But damn it, the bag that BYU was paying, it wasn't many teams willing to pay that. You know, it's reported that he, what, he got 7 to 8, 7 or 8 to 9 million, you know, just for that one year.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey, hey. Y' all paying for me to come to prep school down here? I mean, Utah Prep. Hold on, hold on now. Y' all gonna pay for me to go to byu?

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, yeah. I thought, hey, look, I ain't gonna lie. I thought the Jazz was gonna try to jump through a few hoops tonight, be able to draft him. But hey, man, if Washington made the right pick, okay, Ocho, I promise you, he liked that, bro.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

And guys, I think his contract is 69 million for the four years. So, you know. Yeah, yeah. Nice little rookie bag. Nice, nice. And you know, you know the story about his father. I think his father was from the Congo.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

And because tonight I. Hell, I, I just obviously, I know AJ or initials, but I really didn't know his name. And he just, like, he wanted. He wanted to commission to introduce his name in honor of his father because he's a junior. Yeah, I thought that. I thought that. I thought that was. That was very, very, very special to see these young men and to thank all the family, the. The village that behind them that helped push and guide them in the direction that they are and be able to reach this achievement. Because this is a. I mean, These kids are 18, 19, 20 years of age, and they've been dreaming of this moment their entire lives. It's right here in front of you. And obviously you realize I did not get here by myself.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

This is an opportunity to thank my mom, to thank my sister or my grandma or my mom. Excuse me, my father. It's nice. You know what? It's really nice to see some fathers get some center stage. Cause you know, his mom. Happy Mother's Day. Happy birthday, Mom. Happy Dino and the dad.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Lady,

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

you throw us a tie, we going about our business.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. Watching the draft, I was obviously watching. Watching the World cup and watching the draft at the same time. There are a lot of two parent household kids that got drafted this season.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I saw that. You saw that.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

A lot of two parent household, you know, kids getting.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, there's nothing. Cause they make it seem like we don't. We ain't never got no two parents in the house.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Right, Right.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

A bunch of two parents.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

On another note, too. Real quick. Real, real quick, Uncle Joe. So debonza, as great as he is, as great as he was in college and understanding how good he's going to be probably in Washington, depending on how he fits in now coming out the east, can he really make a difference, you know, in that east and get the. Get the withers to maybe say to play in or maybe maybe get him to a seed and having to deal with, obviously, you got the Knicks, you know, you got the Heat, you know, who now have Giannis and probably going to have Klay. Thomas, wait, can I say that? Am I letting.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, man. Come on, man. Come on.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

My bad, my bad, my bad.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Come on. Listen, Ocho, I understand what you're saying. I think he is a guy. Look, there's been a handful of rookies who come into the league and right away take their teams to the post season. I think he can be in that group. You know what I mean? I think he got that type of talent. Not only does he have that type of talent, but it's the guys around him. He has proven guys around him, right?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

And I think that's the difference, Joe and Ocho, is that he's not going to be asked to do what a lot of other rookies have been asked to do, right? All NBA players. He has all star players already on that roster. We know Trey is a 2010 guy. We know AD is a 2010 guy. Could give you three blocks, can anchor your defense. He just needs to come in and be AJ Debonza. We're not asking you to give us 25 to 30 a night. We just want a. Give us a solid 16. Can you give us a solid 16 to 20?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Efficient. Can you do. Can you do. Can you do that? If he could do. And also they got Sar. SAR is going to need to step up and be a little bit better because everybody keep talking about Bronnie, Bronnie, Bronnie, and he's going under the radar and he'd been and hadn't been doing a whole lot since he arrived there. He's going to need to be. Do a little bit more. Joe, as the second pick in the entire draft. He's going to need to step up now.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. And I think this year will be that year for sarcasm. Uncle Ocho, He's. He can kind of play the background now as versus, you know, when he first got there, they had him playing lead. Lead singer. Hell, he wasn't ready for that. You know what I mean? But now he have a plethora of guys who he can learn from, who he can play off of. That will make his game a lot easier. Because I think what's underrated about AJ is that not only did he lead the Division 1, NCAA in scoring, but he did it at an efficient at like 52, 53%. And when you got a guy. So he ain't no guy, just coming down, hosting up shots like he has great.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He's not jacking up shots. Yeah, you're right, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

He know how to get to his spots. He plays the right way. He's an underrated passer. He can defend with that long, that six, nine. Frame them seven, seven one wingspan. I just think he gonna fit right in. And I think the Wizards will make one of the biggest jumps in the Eastern Conference.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, See, they was trying to make Sar Lee Singer. He need to be on the cymbals for the tambourine.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

We're not gonna let you do the drum. We're not gonna let you do the horns.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

We're not doing anything.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You should be wearing the back. So if you mess up a key, hey, don't nobody know, huh?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

But he's got to improve. But I think with those three, they're that big three with the Bonza, Trey and Adam. This is contingent on AD Being there. We don't know what their game plan is, but I would like to think they're probably tired of. Of having a building that's half empty. Yeah, man. At least with AD you probably go to your house, you know, you can win some games and get the fans to come back.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, they ojo them people come to see AJ Debonska, bro.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Listen, I. If I'm in D.C. i have season tickets. I'll be trying to get. I'll be trying to get my hand on them tickets, bro.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, you think he

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

polarizing like that to put Ocho. That boy. Nice, man. His frame. Listen, at his frame is so prototypical for Today's game. At 6, 9, who can do everything. Shoot the 3, get, get to the midi dunk, get to get by you

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

finish at the rim, above the rim.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Got nice post work, great footwork. Like, his feel for the game is unteachable. You know what I mean? Some guys just really have a knack or feel for the game that makes the game, and it comes easy to him. And I think he's one of these guys, bro. I think that the game is in great hands with AJ I think the Wizards, you know, took the right pick. And I'm looking forward to seeing the Wizards play this year, bro. Cause you gotta understand now, Trey just signed for 212 million. You know what I mean? He didn't got his bag, Trey. Congrats, bro. Trey didn't got his bag. So now he gonna be coming out trying to prove, you know, that he is who he say he is. You feel what I'm saying?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, I'm trying to get another one. How old, Trey? 27, 28? Hell, I give me another bag. I can be 32 and get another bag.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. You always want to go for a little dessert now, you hear me?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah. You got your.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

They still pay it?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. You know, you know, your rookie contract, that's. That's your appetizer.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Then, you know, you get to.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You get that bag. That's your full course meal. Now you go for a little dessert after that. You want to.

[Sports Commentator]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

I mean, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

That rookie contract, Joe, I'm gonna get everything that I really wanted. The nice sports car, the really expensive watch. Get mom and Dad a house, get me a Creole. Okay, that's that. Because once I start getting to that 212, that 200, that 300. I ain't touching that.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

That money will never be spent. Yeah, I would have gotten it. Think about it. You getting. You making 69 million. Let's just say for the sake of argument, they're gonna. I'm your agent. Gonna get his 3 to 5%.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Uncle Sam's going to take 50% of that. So now you. So that's 30. So basically you had 30 million. Let's just say for the sake of argument, we having a conversation here. 27 million. After Uncle Sam take his cut, your agent take his cut, you invest.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

I got.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I'm gonna take. You know what? I'm gonna take 7 million. Now, maybe you got a shoe deal with the. I don't know who he signed with is Adidas, Puma, Skechers and one Nike. I don't know, but that might be a situation. You know what? I ain't gonna even touch my rookie money.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hello.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I'm gonna do the shoe contract money.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hello.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I'm do this card signing money as a car deal. I might get mom and Dad a car, but I'm gonna get this car. As I represent this dealership, I will drive that old show. And Joe.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yep.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You don't need no car.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yep. That's how I go.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

But I gotta. But I'm gonna take. I'm gonna make sure mom and dad taken care of.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, yeah, little bro.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I'm gonna kick you a little something, too. Hey, I think he got two. So, sisters. What y' all want now? Hey, don't do too flashy. Get y' all a nice. What? What's a nice. What's a nice woman called Ojo. Joe.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

The. Hey, hold on. The new. The new kids. The new kids. And maybe a Mercedes C. C series.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, the Mercedes hard, bro. I ain't gonna lie to You.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I like them. Look, I like them. Genesis. Y' all see them.

[Sports Commentator]

Genesis.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Them New Genesis they got.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

That's for grown folk, though, especially. Hey, the Genesis.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Okay.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

You know?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, I like. But. But, yeah, you know, hey, make sure they straight.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

And then, hey, shut that thing down.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

And.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

And. And never. And do not. I mean, do not lose sight of how you got here, bro.

[Karen and Georgia (My Favorite Murder Podcast Hosts)]

Don't.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Do not. Listen. Do not fall in love with the things that, you know, that it brings.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

That it brings. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You gotta stay in love with the grind, bro, just because a lot of

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

times it'll bring things you don't need.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

I was gonna do that. That's what it's gonna do that for sure.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

It's gonna test you. It's gonna test you. This.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Sometimes you gotta learn the hard way.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Give the devil a ride Enough. Eventually he'll drive Hello, Hello.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Come on.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Eventually, he gonna drive. I don't care. I don't care who you are if you give the devil a ride Enough eventually he will drive.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Now where the hell is my pen

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

and pa.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Aj Congratulations, bro. Like I said, I saw your father, you and your father, when y' all came into espn. Congratulations on. Unbelievable story. An unbelievable journey. But the journey now starts.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He thought the journey. He thought he was on the journey to get here. Now the journey starts.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You can't exhale. No, no, sir.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

No.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

No, sir.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Now how do I improve? Getting here. Now how do I get better? Yeah, yeah. Getting here was the easy part, is staying here. They must get hard.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's it. Hey, hey. And what I love about it, man, I love how his dad is. Is helping him navigate this whole entire situation. I seen something to where, you know, they. They don't have an agent. You know what I mean? They kind of dealing with it.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, we already slotted in. Oh, you get 10 more. You get 10 to 12 more than what the last class got. Okay.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. So why.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I'm gonna get you 4% to do that.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hello. That's what.

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

And that's exactly what he said. So. He said he's here to help his son. And I think from a child's standpoint, bro, that's what you want, man. You want your father to be there to help you navigate through this new situation, this new era that you're entering. And I think I enjoy seeing it, maybe because when I was a kid, I wish I would have had something like that. You feel me?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You know, so I see how Genuine.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

It is.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

And, man, he look like he's in great hands. He just gotta keep working, bro. You gotta keep driving and want to be the best. And you can't exhale. Although you made it. Like Unc said, the hard part now starts. Because now to stick is just as hard as making it.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

You got that number one pick on your target. Bullseye. Well, you got to live up to that. You got to. And continue to get better year in and year out. I'm excited to see him. I'm excited to see him.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Getting married is easy. Staying married is the hard part.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hello.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey. Hey. Statistically, for some reason, the numbers keep going up.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Getting married and the number keep going up and getting divorced. Yeah.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, I don't understand. I. I don't care what the numbers say. I'm getting married.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

We all gonna do that, Ocho. Hey, but I think the marriage might look a little different, right? Because, you know. Cause I. I'm. I'm a space type of guy.

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[Sports Commentator]

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

It might be a situation where you and I, we're in the same house, but we don't sleep in the same bed every night.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Right? I don't think nothing wrong with that.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Wait a minute, Joe. Wait a minute.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Well, my grandfather. I ain't never seen my grandfather and grandmother sleep in the same bed.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, Unc, that's back in the days. Now, this 20, 26, I'm not sure the women today ain't gonna let that fly.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Now, hold on. Who's that? Is that Cheryl Lee Ralph? Her and her husband just moved together. They lived in separate cities for 20 plus years. Well, you pull that up, Sheryl Lee Ralph.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hey, Joe. Ain't that working? Your. That work in your household?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Listen, listen, Ocho. Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder, okay?

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Wait a minute. That ain't gonna work, Joe. That is not gonna work.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes you. You hear what? Oh, you hear what I'm talking about sometimes, man, is it's better for us to get away from each other a little bit. So when we do come back and we, you know, we excited again.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

See here, the problem is, it's because society is saying we sleep here. We. Hey, we do this and we do that, and everybody get. You got to do what works best for you.

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[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Right. Right.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, you know that for you and your situation, it might be best that you go get mad at the courthouse, right? But you got everybody talking about this destination wedding.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Everybody talking about X, Y, and Z. Man, I need to have. She need to have ten bridesmaid. I need to have six groomsmen.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yes.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Nah, I need to have my brother, my mama, sister, my kids standing beside me. I need to keep going. Have her people standing up. Four or five people standing by. That's good.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Why am I gonna have a whole bunch of people? That's. Man, I don't know why they got mad for. It ain't gonna last long. Talking ish at my place.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I don't spend a hundred thousand. Homeboy had a wedding. Everybody got croc shoes made, custom tucks.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Married. Lasted longer to skip in the military. You know, skipping. Didn't go to the military.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

How long they were married, huh?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Not long as a snowball in the microwave.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, listen, I like that idea, you know, the whole having space. But you. You got to have a woman that really understand that, because they'll take that the wrong way.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

That's the whole point. We understand this, Ocho.

[Sports Commentator]

Ah.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. She might have her own creed. She might have her own place, too.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Right, Right.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You know

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

what?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I put a little seed away.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Ocho, probably one of them little clingy dudes.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

He like to be laid all over. He is all up out of Cambodia.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, no, no, no. I. Excuse me, Uncle Joe. I'm the complete. I'm. I'm the complete opposite. I'm not really clingy, you know, I give you your freedom. I've given you your space, you know, to let you do your thing. I'd like to think you. You'd be able to do, you know, the same for me. Outside of that, I just don't think the. As far as going. As far as if we're married and actually having our own spaces in general, I don't know if that will fly, because most women today, they want everything that traditional, you know, everything that. The format and the way they say it's supposed to be, obviously what works for you and ain't too many too fond of that.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Now, hey, hold on, hold on, Ocho. What they say conversation rules the nation. Hey, man, you got to break it down for Ocho. Let her know what it is, man.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm gonna break it down.

[Sports Commentator]

Yeah, let her.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Let her know what's going on. Look, yeah, hold on, hold on.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, hold on now. When you break it down, right, and say, listen, we can be together, but at times, how do I explain. You know what? At times. You know what? I want my space.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah. Look, Nah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You and I going through this is going to be a lifetime.

[Starbucks Advertiser]

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

But there are going to be times that I'm going to need two or three days to myself.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

None personal.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

What. What is. What. What does that look like for you? Right. See, that's the problem. Everybody's been living a life for someone else. See, the thing is, is that people get in a marriage and judge their marriage by somebody else. Marriage.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hello. Hello.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Remember I told you, be careful judging your success with someone else's ruler.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yes, sir.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Your marriage might not look like mine. Mine might not look like his. His might not look like theirs. That's why I'm saying, you know, I laugh and joke. We like, oh, Ah. But somebody. But look, people swinging. And people like, hey, I want to see my. I want to see my husband have sex with somebody else. I want to see my wife. That works for them.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

I don't know how in the hell he's his own.

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

People. See, here's the thing. You don't know that Joe got that hammer. What have I done? Got myself in. But see, if that works for you. And there are people that have situations like that. You know what? I'm gonna put that in the book. I'm gonna put that in my book. I got a book coming out, y'. All. I can tell some stories.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Writing a book.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, I got a book coming out.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

I'm gonna be in it.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Wait till the story that y' all see come out in this book.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, okay, okay, okay. Put me in that thing. What?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, I imagine. I imagine.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

But I. And that's the thing is that a marriage is different for There are certain cultures that you do in marriage. Okay, that's for that culture, right? That works for them. I can't be looking at, man. Man, you know, such and such, you know, high school coach, the rival school, he was telling one of the. His runners would tell him, hey, coach, you know, he's the guy. He said his coach let him drink a beer before he run. He said, but damn, hell, son, you want me to buy you a beer? That worked for him. That ain't for to go over here, right? What works for your relationship if going on vacay if some, you know, hey, we need to go out once a week. Somebody gonna be cool with going out once every other week. Somebody gonna be cool not going once a month. Somebody gonna say, hey, we can take a vacation once a year. Somebody gonna say, we need to take a vacation every. Every quarter.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

What. What's. What can you guys agree on? And then make that work for y'. All. And don't worry about society. Society. See, society got us all messed up to begin with.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Ooh, that's the problem.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I hate to say it, but I

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

don't trust much of anything.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

It's the rage bait.

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Goodbye.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Got a book, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Y' all already know.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Step by step, boy. Shit. Boring as hell.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

So it's gonna be. It's gonna be interesting to see. And. Draymond Green said 75 might actually hurt Victor Wembanyama. Let's take a listen to what Dre had to say. The unicorn.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

It's a rare, rare air that he's in.

[Sports Commentator]

Not only is it a unicorn, but you also get to a certain height where it becomes a disservice in this league. You know, like, there's nothing he can do about being 7 5, but I'm not sure 75 suits you better than being 7 1. Right. Being 7ft with his skill set. With his skill set, being 75 almost does him a disservice. Like, yeah, you can catch and fit, but with the skill set that everyone loves about this kid, being 75 almost hurts that because once you get to this level, you gonna run up against guys who's way stronger, that moves as fast or faster, and they play way

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

lower to the ground.

[Sports Commentator]

Right. And as, you know, low. And so if. If you just running up into that, like 75 kind of hurts you. And so I think that's something that he's going to have to adjust to as well, that people aren't really accounting for.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I think it hurts him on an offensive end. I think it helps him on the defensive end.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Absolutely.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Because you see how he blocking those three point shots when he take one step and he throwing the issue in the stands while he's deflecting it hit. Yeah, I. I understand what Draymond said. Because he's so. He's so tall, it's easy to root him out.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yep. Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Get up under him. And that's why you saw. Sometimes you saw Caruso was gardening.

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[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

There's no way a 65 guard, a 64 guard should be able to guard him. But because he's so hot, tall and he can't, Caruso just gets up on him. It root him out of his spot.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. That lower sense of gravity, bro, he's never gonna have the advantage when it comes to that. He's always gonna have to use his length, his quickness versus the cats that's gonna be guarding him. Ocho, he's always gonna have an advantage. That's the problem. Because a big man guarding him, he's always gonna have advantage because of how he moves and his height and the way his game is. You know, he's not a typical big. He's not a stiff. He's not a guy who can just post up and shoot jump hooks or just shoot midis like this dude gonna block the shot, bring it all the way up the court, run the play. You know what? Now y' all just get out the way, Go in my bag, bing, bing, bing. You know what I mean? And get right to it. We ain't seen that, bro, at 7:5. So I agree. I agree with Unk. Defensively, it helps him. It's just on the offensive end, when he does try to be demonstrative when it comes to posting up and trying to gain that advantage and using his height to his advantage, that's where he's gonna have to get stronger. Stronger don't mean, like the mass he has to get. He has to be that wiry, strong Ocho, you know, to work. You just can't let guys root you out and move, you know what I mean? I think that's the biggest adjustment that he gonna have to face or deal with that ultimately is going to take him to that next level to make that leap like Giannis made. You know, when Giannis first came into the league, boy, he was skin and bones, I'm talking about. Yeah, man, it's just night and day to what he ultimately got to. I don't think he gonna be able to put on the mask on this guy. But as far as being effective and using his length and moving around the court the way he does, he's always gonna have an advantage at this point. He just has to be more consistent in, you know, his mid range jump shots, his three point jump shots, because you always gotta respect him way out there. That's the advantage. So if he catches two feet behind the three, Ocho and he pump fake now, because you gotta close out tough now he can get into his bag. I just think, you know.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Strengthening up them hips, bro. Everything connected to the hips. Strengthening up them hips to where you can move.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Move down, huh? Waist down.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, you gotta be.

[NBC News Announcer]

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[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

And, you know, when I. When I look at y', all, when I look at. I'm talking about. I'm about to say Giannis. When I look at Wimby. Damn, what's the buddy name? Yeah. When I. When I look at Wimby, obviously, I think for. For him, I understand what Draymond is saying. I think he has an advantage, obviously, being 75. The only problem. The only problem he has is when he in the low back of the post. That's it. That's it. Outside of that, he plays small. Outside from the three. When it's time to go into his toolbox, Joe, he played like somebody that's 6, 5, 6, 7. He could put the ball on the floor, he can shake you, he can get by you. The only issue, if you want to add something to his game, is to be able to play with your back to the basket and be able to go in your bag and not let people get you off your spot.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

I think that's the reason why he don't want to, because he knows he. He's not strong enough to consistently bang. See, look, if he, like, shaq Shaq was 7:1. Shaq was 325. So Shaq was. But Shaq was ultra, ultra quick. Quick for his size. Shaq moved like a guy. Six, six, six, seven. But he got £325. So when Shaq. When Shaq. When Shaq. Dis with Shaq. Put that shoulder to you or put that hip on you. You move it.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

It's a rap.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Women put that shoulder on you. Everybody like, well, damn.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, you ain't gaining, ain't getting no ground.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Who cut a fan on in here? Ain't nobody moving. Ain't nobody getting this lodge. Look. Look how OG dislodged him. Yeah. Remember OG going to the basket, dislodging, Boom. You think somebody can dislodge you? Might dunk on a big. But you're not supposed to dislodge him like that.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hey, and I think. I think Wimby hears all this too, fellas. I think he gonna come back. You know, I think that in hindsight, the best thing that could happen to Wimby is them losing in his finals, bro. I think that. I think that young man gonna lock in. Y' all gotta remember now, he ain't but 22 years old, so all that we talking about, he's going to gain the strength to where he can hold his ground. It may take him. It may take him to next year or the year after that, but he's going to get better next year and the next year and the next year. So I think his game will continue to ascend to where he's going to be obviously the face of the league because he going. The numbers that he going to have across the board, bro, it's going to be something that we've never seen before. When it comes to scoring blocks, rebounds, he going to be. He probably going to be top five damn near every statistical category.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You're right. And I think the thing is, look, everybody can't be like magic. Come in off the rip, boom. Win the championship. Bird come in. Sometimes you got to grind your way through. Like Jordan.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Lose, lose. He's like, man, they beat, man, the Bad Boy Pistols beating the hell out of me. Damn this. Hey, Tim, let's get in this gym.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah. No time off. It builds character, bro.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Bro, I'm tired of. I'm tired of these hard ass files because they're wearing me down. I got to be able to withstand that, still get to my spot and let this velvet jumper go.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hello.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

And that's what he did.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Hello.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

So all that, all that, Joe Dumars pulling him down and. And Lamb Beer and. And Sal and Rodman beating the hell out of James Air with Rick Mahorn. You're like, man, enough of this, man. Yeah, he started to be able to play through that, and now he don't have a weakness. Yeah, you can't beat him up. Because they could beat him. They felt they could beat him up. Say we beat him up. Hey, he'll shut it down now. You can't beat him up now. What you gonna do?

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, but you know what? He's still small frame, you know, even if he does get stronger, I think he has to pick and choose when he wants to play that game. Yeah, when he wants to play that game with his back to the basket, when he wants to play that game down in the low block, you pick and choose when you want to do that.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You don't.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

You don't want to take away from your other strengths and being able to put the ball on the floor, being able to shoot the three or being able to get to your spot and shoot your middle.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, no, no. I agree with you, Ocho, and I think that's why I say he has to take what's a weakness of him right now and make it into a strength. And that's just, you know, obviously staying in the weight room, getting stronger and continue to work on your game. Your game going to evolve once he gets more comfortable and gain more strength, you know, man, you've been in that weight room, bro. It brings a sense of confidence when you hit that flow, Man, I don't know about y'. All. Yeah, but, bro, we. I used to do a full workout before games, you know, just to go out there and really feel strong. Like it. Hey, man, it way different when you've been in that weight room. And I think. I think this loss hurts Wimby in the finals to where, you know, he really been. He really was hurt behind this, so I think he gonna come back a totally different player.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

But the problem is with Wimby, he didn't have a signature shot that he could go to. Yeah, look at all the greats. They had a signature shot they could go to. Elijah 1, Jordan Bird, Magic, Kobe Braun. Elijah 1. I don't know if I've mentioned Elijah 1 twice. Everybody had a shot, so he doesn't have that shot. I can put it to my basket. I can put my back to the basket. Give it to me. He didn't feel comfortable with that

[Sports Commentator]

dirt.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

All those guys. Now, if you were shaq, you sell 1, 325, 340. Well, you could just turn around and everybody moving, bang. But that ain't what he is. Yeah, he's gonna have to, he's gonna have to build Brunson. When Bronson need to get a shot, Bronson gonna go to that. He gonna do this. Put that shoulder to you.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

And hit you with the step back.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Every single time. Go back and look at the shots that he hit on Champagne. Go back and look at the shots that he made down in clutch situations. You gotta have that in your bag.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, yeah. As a post player, Uncle Ocho, you gotta have you at least, at least three moves go to moves that you know gonna work.

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

And you right, he. He don't have that right now. And I'm. I think he definitely has to put the work in at his size, bro. Ocho, I agree with you. He needs to use. It's matchups for him who's ever guarded. You got a big guy here who's slow footed like, like go Bear. Then take him out here in the deep waters and drown him, you know?

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[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

You know what I mean? Take him out here in the deep waters and drown him. But yeah, when you playing against the Knicks and they got cat and he guarding you, you're gonna have to get you a couple move, jump hook, you know what I mean? Cup, you know, three nice go to moves, bro. That you can give him something different every time to keep his ass guessing. And I think once he figures that part out, okay, Ocho, that's gonna take him to a whole nother level.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Listen, I'm. I'm not in the NBA. I'm not wimby. But understanding the strengths that I have right now, how good I am offensively, how good I am defensively, there are two people that I would want to go see in the off season for. One, to work on my toolbox. Two, I'm going to see Kevin Garner, Kevin Garnett, just for that, just for the mentality, Just for that. Just. Just to have that dog in me. And I'm going to see Akeem Olajuan to add some of the repertoire that he had to his game and see if I can, if I can add that footwork.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Boy, you gotta get that footwork. That's what your dream got, bro. Look, we look at the turnaround shots and all that, but it's his footwork, you know, Wemby learned that he get that footwork down pack. It's a rap, bro.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Well, I don't know if he gonna get that footback. Because you gotta realize Akeem grew up playing soccer.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

So, you know, he great with his feet. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Wimby.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Where women from, huh?

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Women grew up playing soccer, too. Wait for.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Man, how you gonna kick the ball with a size 42? Sho.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

By the size 30. We're about a size 30.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

How the hell are you gonna kick the damn ball?

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

He ain't playing no soccer. If he playing soccer, he was playing Goldie.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, he might kick. He might kick the ball when it's in front of him. But as far as dribbling the ball down the field, hell no. But. But you look at. But it wasn't just the turnaround. Dream will show you the ball, show you another move, show you another move, and then up under you.

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, yeah, he was slick with it.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

You got to have a counter to the counter.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

There you go.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

That's it.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

All the great.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Like you said. Look, he's. The thing is, is that he's got to work on that now because we said the same thing with Dwight Howard. He only 19. He only 19. He gonna work on it. And Dwight Howard never developed these two

[Joe's Friend (Sports Analyst)]

completely different type of animals, though. These two completely type of animals, though.

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

All I'm saying, if Dwight Howard would have worked on a move, Joe, because look at Dwight. Dwight had that same little skinny ass frame when he came in. Yeah, he was in the two, three years later, man. Dwight how would look like a show enough.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, Dwight was real raw when he came into the. When he first came into the league. He ain't have no offensive game for real. You know what I mean?

[Joe (Sports Analyst)]

Running dungeon.

[Uncle Ocho (Sports Analyst)]

Yeah, but he developed. He developed him a nice little jump hook. You know, he'll shoot his turnaround sometime and that face up to where he turn face up and shoot that little jump off the glass. He developed that. You know what I mean? Wemby is going. He gonna develop. I'm telling y', all, he gonna develop at least 2 to 3 go to moves that he use on that block. Whether it's the turning face, whether it's the back down to the jump hook, whether it's the fade away. But you have to be effective and efficient when you shoot these shots, bro. Cause in the post season, what we see. Hey, man, ain't a whole lot of space out there, you know what I mean? You ain't got a lot of time. Great scores. It don't take all day pounding the rock. You gonna get two dribbles max, you know, to be able to get your stuff off and you gotta be able to do it at an efficiency rate and I think he will learn that.

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