Best of Unc getting Mad Part 1: Technical DIFFICULTIES, Ocho NOT picking sides, Micah Parsons CALLS OUT UNC

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Best of Unc Getting Mad Pt. 1

Shay Shay Media & Playmaker • July 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap teams up NFL legends Shannon Sharpe ("Unc") and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson for a wildly entertaining, unfiltered deep-dive into headlining sports debates. Titled "Best of Unc getting Mad Part 1," the episode is packed with technical difficulties, spirited banter about boxing loyalties, passionate debate over film study's importance in football, and a fiery segment responding to Micah Parsons' pointed comments about sports analysts.

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Main Themes

• Technical difficulties and Shannon's on-air agitation
• Ocho’s refusal to pick sides—sports, boxing, or otherwise
• Debate over watching film and preparation in football
• Player stats vs. winning: What matters most?
• Micah Parsons calls out Shannon Sharpe and sports analysts
• The realities, pressures, and perceptions around sports analysis and player criticism

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

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1. Technical Difficulties & Unc's Agitation (02:47-06:13)

• Shannon apologizes for technical hiccups—mic echo/reverb, delayed feeds.
• Ocho teases Shannon for getting “hot” on air, comparing his frustration to Bill O’Reilly’s infamous “I’ll do it live!” TV meltdown.
• Memes and internet jokes start circulating about Shannon’s reaction.

Shannon Sharpe: "Guys, we're sorry for the technical difficulties...I was agitated slightly." (04:24)

Ocho Cinco: "Somebody got to record that and post it when you got hot." (04:34)

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2. Ocho Refuses to Pick Sides — Boxing Edition (06:18-13:57)

Ocho Names His Favorite Fighters (06:18-09:41)

• Ocho’s top fighters: Bud (Terence Crawford), Jaron “Boots” Ennis, Shakur, Devin Haney, Tank, Caleb Plant.
• He explains he chooses based on “flashy” styles, not belts/accolades.
• Explains the “unwritten rule” in boxing fandom: you must stick with one fighter, but Ocho likes all of them.

Shannon Pushes Back: Must Analysts Pick a Side? (09:41-13:57)

• Shannon pushes Ocho to make a choice between fighters (Boots vs. Bud).
• Ocho resists: “I love all them dudes...don't ask me who I like between two I enjoy watching. Is that a problem?” (13:36)
• Compares to food: “Why can't I eat the hamburger and ice cream?” (14:07)
• Chat and Shannon push the idea that as an analyst, Ocho has a job to make tough choices, not just appreciate.
• Ocho's defiance becomes a running joke.

Ocho Cinco: “I'm never going to change. That's why this is gonna work. I'm never changing, so stop asking me.” (15:37)

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3. Preparation in Football – Does Watching Film Matter? (19:12-34:10)

Tete Roa McMillan Debate (19:12-26:25)

• Arizona WR Tete Roa McMillan admits he doesn’t watch film alone, just with teammates.
• Ocho argues it’s not a big deal “if he produces on the field”. (“When you get your ass on the field, how you gonna get mad at my goddamn answer?” 20:25)
• Shannon advocates solo film study as essential for greatness: “You realize that just your God given ability wasn't going to be enough.” (23:46)

Broadening the Discussion (26:25-34:10)

• Shannon points to NFL teams’ expectations, referencing clauses like Kyler Murray’s.
• They agree: at the pro level, extra preparation sets you apart in a league of 1-percenters.
• Ocho admits he couldn’t have succeeded without being a real student of the game.

Shannon Sharpe: "You need every advantage that you possibly can get because this is a game of inches." (27:34)

Ocho Cinco: “I wasn't physically imposing, you know, so my one edge was I got to beat you up here before I beat you anywhere else.” (26:25)

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4. Stats vs. Winning: A Never-Ending Debate (37:21-54:23)

A.J. Brown’s Frustrations (37:21-41:27)

• Receivers are measured by stats (catches, yards, touchdowns), not blocks.
• Blocking is undervalued at contract time; stats drive negotiations and legacies.
• Ocho and Shannon banter over whether it's “right” for a receiver to care about personal numbers if the team is winning.

Shannon Sharpe: “A.J. Brown is upset…he cares more about his stats.” (40:34)

Ocho Cinco: “Because when it comes to making $30 million a year, they don’t measure by wins and losses. It’s based on the goddamn numbers." (44:00)

Hypotheticals & Contradictions (41:27-54:23)

• Shannon asks if huge individual games in losses are preferable to low stats and winning; Ocho and Shannon challenge each other's logic, catching each other contradicting.
• Ocho refuses to wear a rival team’s jersey, signifying loyalty and what team pride means versus professional analysis.

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5. Micah Parsons Calls Out Unc & The State of Sports Analysis (58:14-76:52)

Play the Clip (58:14-60:42)

• Micah Parsons goes on Funny Marco’s podcast, labels some TV analysts (including Shannon by name) as “puppets,” claims they don’t show up or are influenced by network interests.
• Parsons says “I’m not selling my soul for a check. I’m paid. I’m good.”
• Says Shannon “plays both sides” on TV.

Shannon’s Response (61:13-68:41)

• Shannon is unbothered up to the mention of his name: “He said what he said about Skip, I was cool until he brought my name up.” (61:13)
• Defends his record: “Go back and look when he was coming out and see what I said about this young man.” (61:29)
• Detailed breakdown of Parsons’ playoff vs. regular season stats to justify critical analysis.
• Shannon emphasizes: it isn’t personal. Analysts have a job to be honest, and great players get the hardest scrutiny.

Shannon Sharpe: “Michael Parsons is a phenomenal player, but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better. What’s wrong with that?” (62:29)

Ocho Cinco: “The only ones that get talked about are the ones that are great, because we hold them to a certain expectation on what they've already done in the past.” (67:41)

The Double Standard of Criticism vs. Praise (68:41-76:52)

• Ocho asks if being the focal point—in both praise and criticism—feels unfair to the best players (like Parsons).
• Shannon counters: do critics get a share of mega contracts? Critique matches the star treatment.
• Recaps: postseason greatness is the measuring stick; being talked about means you’re great.
• Shannon ends with: “My job is to be as honest and as fair in my assessment…Nothing more, nothing less…Whatever the ingredients you give me to make my argument, that's what I use.” (75:14)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Shannon on memes: "Y’all always doing. Y’all messy Internet." (04:51)
• Ocho on analysis: "Why can't I eat the hamburger and ice cream?" (14:07)
• Shannon on preparation: "You need every advantage that you possibly can get because this is a game of inches." (27:34)
• Ocho on why he watched film: "I wasn't physically imposing, you know, so my one edge was I got to be able to beat you up here before I beat you anywhere else." (26:25)
• Shannon defending sports analysis: "Because you have 50 plus [sacks] in four seasons, now we have to have a conversation. Why is it the Micah that we saw in the regular season, why isn't he showing up in the postseason? That's it, bro. I ain't got no... I try to be as fair as I possibly can." (70:08)

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Memorable Banter & Running Gags

• Ocho’s refusal to commit, met with ongoing mockery by the chat and Shannon.
• Debating wearing rival teams’ shirts (a comedic line about sports loyalty and pride).
• Shannon’s playful meltdown over technical trouble and meme culture.
• Endlessly looping the “stats-or-winning” argument, with both catching each other out.

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Final Takeaway

Nightcap delivers another fast-paced, authentic, laugh-out-loud episode where personality and opinion collide with the real business of sports. Shannon and Ocho explore what loyalty, preparation, and greatness mean in high-stakes sports—both as players and as analysts—and pull no punches when it comes to the unvarnished truth.

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Highlighted Timestamps

• Technical Difficulties: 02:47–06:13
• Boxing Fandom & Not Picking Sides: 06:18–13:57
• Film Study Debate: 19:12–34:10
• Stats vs. Winning (A.J. Brown): 37:21–54:23
• Micah Parsons Calls Out Analysts: 58:14–76:52

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Transcript

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[George Pickens]

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Two hours later.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, Mike. Mike said, whoever gets fired, I'm ready to replace them. Guys, no one's got fired tonight. I like to watch the. I like to watch the chat, Ocho. But for some whatever reason, the live video, it was playing back through my computer, and I could hear it in my ear. So what we call reverberating in the business. And imagine you talking about.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm talking in your ear now. Sometimes, you know, you. You know, we be in a segment, and the. The producer might say, well, you know, don't forget this point of blah, blah, blah, Shannon, you're up next, and so forth and so on. Stephen A. But throw to Stephen A. Stephen A Want to come back at you or something. But to continuously hear it, right? For an extended period of time, it used to be annoying.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And so you was hot, though. You were hot, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You was high.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm like, oh, yeah?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, come on now.

[George Pickens]

You.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You was probably using that. I was a little late. And then you. You got the reverberating in your ear. Yeah, so that just. That just. Yes, you know, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I was. I was. I was. I was like. They say I was agitated slightly.

[George Pickens]

Hey, they got.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know if they were recording at that time, but they got it. Somebody got to record that and post it when you got hot.

[George Pickens]

God damn it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, is that. Sorry. Hey, y' all better not put no meme up there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That was funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all always doing. Y' all messy Internet.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Y' all might have been on camera, though. It was. Hey, that was fun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's funny now hey, you know what, Ocho? I doubt that. Now that you.

[George Pickens]

They say that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think about it. I pull a Bill O'Reilly inside edition. You remember Bill O'Reilly, but y' all remember Bill O'Reilly did the same thing. I'll do it myself. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was. Because I'm like, hold on, Wait a minute. And so I'm looking at Jordan. Jordan looking at me like, boss. I'm looking at Ash and Ashes on the phone. She tried to get it worked out, but bad. Yeah, look, and I. My sister tells me this all the time. She like, Shannon, things ain't gonna go perfect all the time. She said, you're gonna need patience all the time. And that's impossible.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You need patience.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Patience now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I got patience. Sometimes when you don't have patience.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold up. They already made a mean. I better not be trending. I bet I better not be training y'. All. Y' all some suckers.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Wait, they got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all some suckers. Y' all better have to see it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I gotta see. Let me go to Twitter real quick, because that. Hey, wait, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all be on some Twitter.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That was funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Devin Bell asked Ocho, who are your top five boxers today? Keep doing your.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's a good question. Listen again, for me, preference.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Bud.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got. Yeah, Bud. Number one pound Bud.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Jaron Ennis. I don't know if you. I don't know if you watch Boots. Yeah, man, listen, that's my dog. Boots. I'm not thinking about. I'm not thinking about belts and all that stuff. I'm. Anything about all that, man. I'm talking about that. I like styles. For me, I'm flashy, so I. I'm. I like those type of fighters. Shakur, Devin Haney, Hank, Caleb Plant. You notice, you look at the style, the fighters I'm naming. I'm not. Again, people in the chat that also watch boxing. I'm not talking about belts and accolades and all that. I'm talking about the types of fighters.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're like, Canelo.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Canel. Canelo's cool, but he's not. He's technically sound ring iq. He's really good defensively, but I. It's. It's not. It's not. I need a little bit more flash to it, you know? No disrespect to him and what he's been able to accomplish, but those I name that. Them is. Them is like, oh, that. You know what else I learned about boxing, too? You see how I love everybody when it comes to football.

[George Pickens]

You.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You see How I never talk about anybody. For some reason, I have a feeling if you have a fighter that you like, you have to only like that fighter, and you really can't like the rest of them. Like, you have to feel exactly the way that fighter feels about every other boxer. And that just don't work with me. I love all them motherfuckers, and I have an appreciation for the sweet science and what they do in the ring. And for some reason, I think I'm not supposed to feel like that, which is really weird, because I think in the boxing world, it's a little different. You have to be a fan of this fighter, and if you like them, you can't like nobody else. I get that, like, this weird feeling a little bit, and I don't. I don't like that. Like, I like.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I think the thing is, I

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

like Bud, I like Tank, I like Shakur, I like Caleb Plant. I like the flashy, flamboyant type fighters, you know, that get in and get out. Devin Haney, I like that. And you don't want to know. You know what else about all those people I just named? I be dead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that because you name so many fighters in the same weight class. Like, if you said, okay, I like this heavyweight fighter. I like him at the heavyweight. I like him at the super middleweight. I like him at the light heavy. I like him at the welter. I like him at the junior. You know, it's kind of like in the 80s. I mean, when the Four Horsemen, when you had Sugar Ray Duran, Hagler and Hearns, okay, if you like Hagler, Hagler was your guy. If you like Hearns, Hearn, if you

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

like Duran, that's not.

[George Pickens]

That's not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you like Sugar Ray. And then you had the fifth guy kind of on the outside was Iran Barkley, that's Saquon's uncle.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So. So you understand. You understand that. I think it's somewhat. Almost somewhat like an unwritten rule. Like, if you. If that's your guy, you stick to that guy, and you can't switch sides. Like, I don't like that. Like, I. I hope. I hope the box was out there. I hope they see this. I like all y'.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

All.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I like all y'.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

All.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I' ma support all y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And if y' all won't smoke, we could. We could spar.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

We could spar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If y'.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

All.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If y' all want to go, man. Like, dude, you got to hit you

[Shannon Sharpe]

your rib to make You, I whoop all, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man, the boy not know not to play with me, man. Man, I'm at the city, man. I don't, I don't care nothing about that. I don't care about no belts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care about no pounds. You got started too late.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

19, 1972. What did you talk about? Got started too late? I've been using these.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I've been.

[George Pickens]

I've been using these.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fight the Liberty City. Fighting in Liberty City.

[George Pickens]

I've been using that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I've been a warrior, B. What you talk about, son? Stop playing with my top. Beat

[George Pickens]

aside.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, for real, all jokes aside. I, I love them dudes. I love them dudes because they okay their style of fighting. Oh, that is entertaining.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remain private. Remain private. Ask who you like, ocho. Tank versus Devin Haney at 140.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now that's a good one, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it Ain't no good fight.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right, let me, let me talk, Let me talk about the logistics of the fight. That's the big fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That is gonna be in Vegas.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's gonna be in Vegas. Matter of fact, that could be a hundred, one hundred million dollar purse because he ain't got to go to Vegas. We could take it to Saudi Arabia.

[Alon Cohen (UFC R&D)]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't gonna be. It's something about fights that happen in Vegas.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Listen to me now, we could take it to Saudi Arabia for $100 million purse if you really want to talk. But anyway, listen, Tank versus Haney, they don't need to do it now. They need to continue to let the hype continue to build. Continue to build. It will be a great fight. It will be a great fight. How it's gonna go, I'm not sure. What is Devin gonna do? He gonna keep him at length. Keep him at length. But we know Tank. We've all watched Tank fight. Listen, he'll take one or two just to get up in there and he'll let go. But Devin ain't sitting still. He getting in and getting out. Getting in and getting out. He's defensively sound great footwork, as does Tank. I mean, listen, it's a chess match between two great chess players. And when that fight does happen, I can't wait. And then again, I like both them. Who do I root for? Would I like it? I like. I like both of them. That's why I don't like that. If I'm. If you like this fighter, you can't like no. Nah, man, I'm room for bud. I'm rooting for. I'm rooting for Tang. I'm room for Caleb.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Boots, man. Let me take my glasses off. Right.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Boots.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Blood. Make him put it right back on. Make them put him right back on. Stop playing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, you see, you trying to. You trying to start somebody. Trying to start none. Hey, Boots. Boots and Earl. I mean, not arrow. Boots and goddamn bud. They toolbox. I'm saying they toolbox. You know? You know how you got tools when it's time to go to work, boy, them boy got a toolbox, boy. What? Them boys got a toolbox, boy. I beat their ass, but they got a toolbox. I respect the boys. I know they gonna see this. And if they want to fight, they know where to find me. I'm in Philly. I'm in Philly every Monday and I come to Nebraska.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Choose one, Ocho. You got to choose one. You want booze or you want bugs?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Don't do that.

[George Pickens]

Don't do that. I just explained to you I love. I love these boys. And now you're telling me to pick one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. So let me ask you a question. How the hell I get you on espn, they ask you to pick the cowboys in the bill and you say, I like both of them.

[George Pickens]

That's not the problem. You know what the problem is? The problem is you can't handle the truth. It's not about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you like.

[George Pickens]

Truth is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you understand what your job is? Do you understand your job?

[George Pickens]

My job? Let me tell you what my job is.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I know my job and I know my purpose.

[George Pickens]

My purpose is to enjoy the sweet science and to appreciate what. But let me finish. You know, you're an analyst. Can I finish? Can I finish? Let me finish.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

My job is to appreciate the sweet science. As someone who does it part time is a hobby and has submerged himself in it. If I tell you I like two fighters or like four, I like five, don't ask me who I like between two of them that I enjoy watching. Is that a problem?

[George Pickens]

That shouldn't be a problem. Yes. You are an analyst.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can like two things and have to pick one. You can like ice cream. You can like hamburgers and like.

[George Pickens]

And pick one. Why can't I eat the hamburger and ice cream? Why can't I have the hamburger and ice cream?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chat. Chat, you understand? Why now? Chat. Do you understand why now?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Why now?

[George Pickens]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You understand? Chat. What is the chat saying?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What?

[George Pickens]

The channel.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

The chat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The chat says they understand why Shannon won't bring you on first take because you have to Pick.

[George Pickens]

Well, you know. You know what?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't want to go on first take no more. I don't want to go.

[George Pickens]

I ain't changing for nobody. I ain't even follow the NFL rules, and I ain't changing that, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, you did. No.

[George Pickens]

Yes, you did. Yes, you did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, you did. Let me ask you a question. If you didn't. If you didn't follow NFL rules, why did you wear home jersey away. Why do you wear away jerseys at home if you didn't?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because they wouldn't give me. Stop playing. You know what I'm talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They took all my little change.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. If you ain't follow the rule, why you ain't lined up outside?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I ain't never did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why'd you get a running stuff like Canada? You know, in Canada, you can get the most. You get. Ocho. Ocho. Here's the thing. Ocho, Listen. I'm just telling you what this.

[George Pickens]

I'm cared about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you should care. This is how we make. Lord have mercy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, you think I've been one way, right? Listen to me. I've been one way, always.

[George Pickens]

I've always been one way. You want to know why we are where we are? Where we at? Because I'm remaining my true authentic self, and you trying to get me to change. And I'm never going to change. That's why this is gonna work. I'm never changing, so stop asking me. I like bars and I like boots, and it's gonna stay like that. I don't care. What the fuck?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[George Pickens]

What do you want?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Mutiny.

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[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hello.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Hello.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I sat down with Alon Cohen, who leads research and development at ufc, to discuss the complexity of using technology to analyze fight data.

[Alon Cohen (UFC R&D)]

With kick to the head, it makes contact with the outside of my arm, which I brought up. In our world, that's a blocked strike. Yeah, but teaching a computer what exactly that means and when and how, like when my arm is up, that's a block. When my arm is down and hits my shoulder, that's not. It's those nuances that proved incredibly difficult for machines to be able to handle for a very, very long time.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

That is, until IBM entered the Octagon. Listen to the full conversation at IBM.com or/smart talks.

[George Pickens]

Chat station,

[Shannon Sharpe]

Arizona. Wide receiver. How you say that name? Te Roa McMillan. Oh, Ocho.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Says he doesn't watch football and doesn't watch love. Doesn't like watching game film. I don't like watching game film either. I don't ever watch it by myself because we go over film as a receiver group. Ocho, is this a big deal or no?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, I don't think it's a

[Shannon Sharpe]

big deal because, oh, Lord, have mercy on Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You asked me a question, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay. You asked me, is it a big deal? I don't think it's a big deal. What does he do once you turn the film on him? Specifically, from an individual standpoint?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So watching film is not a big deal?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Answer what I just said. When you turn the film on and

[George Pickens]

it's time for him to play, what

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

does he do on the field? Regardless of him not watching film, does he show up and play?

[George Pickens]

Is he productive in what he does? Okay, I'm asking you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know a guy had that same thing. Jamarcus Russell. How did that work out for him?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know about jamarcus Russell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do know about jamarcus Russell. He was the first number one overall pick.

[George Pickens]

We not talk about Jamarcus Roy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We talk about him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This Ocho. So this man, they got to watch no film.

[George Pickens]

Yeah, he got to watch film. You asked me, is it a big deal? I said, no, it's not a big deal if you produce. When you get your ass on the field, how you gonna get mad at my goddamn answer?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you're saying stuff, Ocho. You saying watching film for a receiver is not a big deal.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He says he doesn't watch it by himself, but he watches it collectively as a group.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, in order to be great, you gotta watch it on your own. So just watch it.

[George Pickens]

Just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So just watch. So just watch it as a group at the team thing. That's good enough. I'm just. I wanna make sure I'm good.

[George Pickens]

Clarification.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, that's him.

[George Pickens]

I know what I did, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why we're asking you. You were the Pro Bowler. You're saying it's not a big deal.

[George Pickens]

Can I.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Can I. Oh, hold on, hold on.

[Alon Cohen (UFC R&D)]

Let me.

[Samsung/Pfizer/Fabuloso Announcer]

Let me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let me ask you something real quick. So watching the film by yourself, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[George Pickens]

Stay with me real quick. Stay with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what you're looking at? You're looking at DB you looking at defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do they. Do they freeze technique? Do they press bail? What do they do outside, inside? Yes, I'm watching all that. Yes.

[George Pickens]

All that good stuff. Now, that's. Now me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You on the same page, right? Let's say he doesn't watch as an individual, but he watches at a group. He watches it as a group. Once he gets to the next level and he gets out and does what he's supposed to do without watching it individually, is it still a bad thing?

[George Pickens]

He's still productive?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's still a bad thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't believe. I. Me, personally.

[George Pickens]

Oh, you don't think he can get

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

it done because he doesn't watch film by Himself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no. There have been guys that watch film and can't get it done. I just ignored. I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying, but I'm saying is the intricacies of what you're watching that guy does, right. Certain down and distance because everybody. So. Because I've got to watch a guy that he might play such and such different than what he plays me.

[George Pickens]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need to know it down the distance area of the field, how that guy's going to play, because he's going to play a. Is he going to play the sticks? Does he press bail? Does he, you know, is he clueing. I need to know all that if I'm not watching tape. It's just hard for, it's just hard for me right, to believe now he could, he could be that immensely talented to that you say, you know what, I'm just going to show up. But I don't know, I haven't heard any.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Receivers that's worth anything that says, nah, you know, I'm good. I. Because you got to do it on your own.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you got, you have to. And you know, when I think about it now, I'm, I'm. I'm only, I'm only speaking because when he said, he says he didn't say he didn't watch it at all. He said he watched it as a group. Now that's one thing. Now him not doing it individually, I mean that, that, that's on him. But he was very productive and what he did. And when you turn on the film,

[Shannon Sharpe]

he said, I don't ever need to watch it by myself.

[George Pickens]

He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what he said.

[George Pickens]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't like watching film either. I don't ever need to watch film by myself because we go over it. Film as a receiver.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Group.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Group collectively. Yeah, see. Yeah, that's different. My reason for watching film individually is I had no choice. Despite the entertainment, the jokes and the laugh and the celebrations, I was a student of the game. I studied film. Just like the quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You wanted to be good, Ocho, right? You wanted to be great. Oh, great.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you realize that's what it took in order to be great. You realize that just your God given ability wasn't going to beat enough. Now that might have gotten you to that point.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's going to take me to the next level when every other receiver is just as talented as I?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir, you. Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what. But oh, I better point. Everything that's thought doesn't need to be said out loud.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some things you just keep to yourself.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He'll learn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want you to tell me them 32 NFL teams thinking

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

you right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, But I, that's what I don't get. OO I don't get. Because you know how teams feel. Remember what they put. If it wasn't a big deal, why did they put that clause in, in

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Kyler Murray's calamari About gaming?

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why would you, why would you ever say this publicly when you're about to get. Ocho, Somebody's about to get you going on a job interview and you tell the people. I don't really like coming on time. Why would you ever tell the people that's interviewing you for a job that get the job first.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

First.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then let them figure out that you don't like to bring your ass to work on time?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not gonna tell you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, yeah, you right. But one, hey, one thing, one thing about Young Bull, you know, they, they, they, they, they interviewed him for a reason. They talking to him for a reason. If you watch him, if you watch him on film, you watch him on tape, oh, he gonna get drafted somewhere. Now, the issues and some of the things he already said, oh, they gonna fix that. That ain't no problem. Because once you get drafted, wherever you go, they're going to teach you and let you know. In order to be great, in order to make this 53 man roster, you're going to have to be watching film. You're going to have to. Because there's a whole different ball game of 1 percenters. Once you do make it, the things you were able to get away with in college, you won't be able to get away with it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

At the next level, you won't be able to. And one of the edges that you need is up here. Upstairs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, up here. Because you need to know what the DB is thinking about doing. Huh? Before he does.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. Oh, bro, I know this down the distance. I don't see you too many times.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I know it's coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Play this technique.

[On Nicotine Pouches Announcer]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I already know what you're gonna do. This is what you always do.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And there are articles being circulated now that now predict him to fall in the draft because of this interview and 15 seconds of comments. Ocho. Wow. Ocho and you three, what, three weeks. The draft is what, little less than, little less than a month away, right? OO why would you ever say this?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, listen, I, I, I don't know. It's something I would have kept it myself.

[George Pickens]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I, I, I, obviously I wouldn't say anything like that, but I'm also someone that loves, Loves watching film. I love it. I just love it. I love watching dbs. I love watching the safety and, and, and seeing what they doing based on down the distance. So I, I was, I had no choice. I talked too much shit not to watch film. I got to know what's coming before it come. I got to. That's the edge I needed. I wasn't physically imposing, you know, so my one edge was I got to be able to beat you up here before I beat you anywhere else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I gotta be able to beat you up here. And I'm not even viewed as one

[George Pickens]

of those, one of those type of

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

players that was a student of the game. I'm viewed as just entertainment and fun. May you understand the work I had to put in throughout the week to

[George Pickens]

be able to pull off the stuff I was pulling off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The guys are too good.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Stop playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The guys are too good. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Way too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The guys are too. Because you got to. And I want to tell people, everybody at some point in time was an all state, all conference, all American, all this, all that. What's going to set you apart now? Guarantee now. I'm just saying, Ocho, just because you were all this. All that.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL. Just because you study film doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL. But I needed. You need every advantage that you possibly can get because this is a game of inches. You being open like you was open in college. That ish. Ain't gonna happen unless.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Unless. Unless it's a busted coverage, it ain't happening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So this notion that, you know what? Hey, I'm so gifted. And you know what? A lot of the DBs that you probably went against.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They might not be playing on Sunday. On Sunday.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the guys you about to go against, all of them gonna play on Sunday. Every last one of them.

[Galaxy Z Fold 8 Announcer]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just a firm believer, Ocho especially. And you know how this. Let me ask you a question.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Those 32 general managers, those head coaches, I want you to tell the people at home what you think they thinking. Do they forget what me and you think is a big deal?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you think general managers and coaches, do you think they think it's a big deal?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you know, they think it's a big deal because they want you to do everything right. They want you to do everything right. All the things necessary as far as preparation and being ready, not just for game day, but just for practice. How well do you know? How well do you know your opponent? There's only one way to do that. That's through film study. But again, you know, you know what happened? I think he's gonna be a gym. Wherever you fall to, it's gonna be a gym. And if anything, if he does fall in the draft, or maybe something like this, if he does fall in the draft, there might be a team. I hope he follows us because we can use him. But, you know, at the end of the day, it's something I wouldn't have said. It's something you wouldn't have said. You live and you learn. You live and you learn. And he'll become a little bit more media savvy with the way he conducts himself when it comes to answering questions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't get why you would ever put something that was gonna. In every stretch of the imagination. That's like a defensive offensive lineman saying, I don't like lifting weights. Yeah, how fool them? These kids just like, say anything. And what has happened is that in today's society, oh, people want to be themselves and then get paid on somebody else's job. How that work, Ocho? You hear people all the time. Why I can't be me? Because that's not your job. You not paying you when you work for your own self. Me, if I want to show up late, Ocho, yeah, I could. I own the company. But how's that gonna look, right? You have to set the example. I have a level of expectation. Be on time. I don't have a whole lot of rules.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just be on time. That's really the only rule that I have.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, I got a great one, too. Let me think about this now. If I'm not mistaken, after Patrick Mahomes second year, whether the second year, he said he didn't watch film.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he said he didn't understand what he was looking at.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What he's looking at. Okay.

[George Pickens]

Yeah. Hey, wait. That's the same goddamn thing. You watching it, but don't understand what the hell you watching, but you still going out there cutting the food.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't until, like, because he was. His first year, he didn't start right. It wasn't until he got with somebody that understood and says, okay, look at this. Yeah, this is. This is going to be your keys. Because a lot of Ocho, I mean, I went to an hbcu. I ain't no. Hey, we ain't watching no film. I ain't gonna lie, right? Watch no film. Because in black college, it's. That's why if you get a corner out of black college, that's why they used to go to black college and get them. Because what could they play? Man coverage.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Coverage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It wasn't no cover, too, right? It wasn't none of that stuff. It was. Man, lock up. All man lock up.

[Galaxy Z Fold 8 Announcer]

Yeah.

[On Nicotine Pouches Announcer]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So me, I was beating man coverage. So Ocho, they go out there and run his own. Hell, I'm booking it. No, no, son. No, no, son, stop. Oh, man, he ain't got me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then I started. Now all of a sudden, Ocho, I'm like, oh, man, I like this. Oh, this is cheating. You give me the answer to the test, right? I know you're gonna run a couple of coverages that you haven't shown me, but for the most part, you're gonna be true to who you are.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, every once in a while, I was just watching a deer on.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

On.

[Shannon Sharpe]

IG was eating. Was eating a rabbit.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

A deer?

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Deers don't even eat rabbits. Or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, every once in a while, he show you something you hadn't seen before. So I'm saying the curry. Once in a while, Ocho, you gonna show me a coverage I ain't seen before, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, that might have been AI. You was watching, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, that wasn't.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. Animal get hungry enough just like you. You get hungry enough, you eat whatever.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I eat whatever when I'm not hungry, but go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We already know you eat whatever. Yeah, but I. I don't. I just say. Chad, it's just me. I just don't understand why you would ever say that publicly. Everything that you think people can think of. A thought is not a crime. A thought is not anything bad. It's the act is the. Once you say it. Why would you say that publicly? And you're less than a month away from the draft, so what do you think? The people that's drafting you and looking to put millions of dollars in your pocket. Nah, man, I can't. That's just like. Hey, there are some. Ocho, there's some people that's naturally gifted that, you know.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Didn't have to study for tests, and they were. They were good at it.

[Dupixent Announcer]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But guess what? Them numbers of them words on the page ain't moving when them guys try to put their hand around your neck and choke you. Choke your ass out. Hey, now you know, now you know he gonna get tested. Now you first of all, your first round pick. We got to test you regardless. Oh yeah, because I got to see what's all the hype about. I need to see why you, why you a first round pick? I need to see.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got to see whatever you come in with your resume. Heisman, Belitnikov, Thorpe, Nagurski, Outland. I don't know what you want, but if you got one of them awards, if you a first round pick, you a high draft pick. Let me see what they talking about, man. Oh, we gonna put you to the test. Oo, you know that every time we, we gonna put you to the test,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

especially when everybody come together. Is it minicamp? No, OTAs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

OTAs.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, OTAs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you know they, they gonna have the draft so probably like the first week in May.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you got rookie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It might be just all rookies. It might just be a rookie. Mini.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, it's always rookie, rookie camp.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First, you know, like rookie and first year players. Not, you know, not the high draft pick, but the guys that, you know, guys that were on the practice squad. Cause you know there are a couple of guys that was on the practice squad that didn't get a whole lot of playing time. Those will be the guys that are required to be in all the draft picks, the undrafted free agents that they brought in. They're going to bring some undrafted players in to take a look at them and see what they got going on and see if, if they could potentially be camp bodies or could possibly make a squad.

[George Pickens]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I, I, I, I don't know why he said that, bro.

[George Pickens]

Yeah,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But bro, I wish you the best. I can't do nothing but wish you the best. If, if that's your MO and it's gotten you that far.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey listen, it's gotten to this far. It's going to change though. He'll understand that, they'll explain that to him and I don't think it would really, I don't think it will hurt in draft stock because if they want him bad, if they want him bad enough and there's a spot for him based on what they've seen on film during his collegiate career, they get him in there and fix the situation. Now if you come in here, you're not going to do this. This is what you're not going to do. When you come here, your best players

[Shannon Sharpe]

are your hardest workers. That's why you, that's when you get a Michael Jordan, you Get a Kobe, you get a LeBron.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get a Brady, you get a Peyton Manning, you get an Adrian Peterson, you get a Ray Lewis, you get. That's what you get.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get a Jamar Chase. That's what you get. Guys that are immensely talented.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Work extremely hard, go the extra mile to be great because it's just not good enough. I don't want to be good. I want to be great.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to be transcendent and historically

[Galaxy Z Fold 8 Announcer]

great

[Shannon Sharpe]

because when I'm done, I want you to talk about me. When I'm done, I want you to say, this guy. You know what this guy reminds me of? He reminds me of Jamar Chase. This guy reminds me of Ray Lewis. This guy reminds me of Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White or Tom Brady or. That's what you want. Let me say, some guys, hey, I played in NFL five, six, seven years. I played 10 years. Google made me a nice salary. Gavin. Boo. I did what I wanted to do. It all depends on the individual. What do you want your legacy to be in a given sport? I mean, some people, you know, some people just like anything. Some people find a being on the job, collecting a check. That's it. Hey, yeah, I'm gonna work in the same position they continue. I don't want to move up because more responsibility come when you move up. Ojo. I like this right here. I come in, put my eight, nine hours in, go home.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, hell no. Name me, Ojo. AJ Brown's cryptic tweet. Head coach Nick Sirianna responded today to his star receiver. Obviously, AJ Is very important to this football team. I know he wants to contribute. I know he wants to contribute and do things he's capable of doing. He wants to contribute into these wins. And it's. And he's had a couple of games where he hasn't been able to be different for a different reason. But I question nothing about his desire to play great football, his desire to be a great teammate, his desire to be here. Oo. What do you. What he had to say?

[George Pickens]

I mean, I like it. It's cool. I mean, a coach going in front of.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Going in front of the cameras, going

[George Pickens]

in front of the media and saying

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

the things he has to say, he has to say those things now.

[George Pickens]

The conversation I think he probably had with AJ Might be completely different. Might be completely different because that's the way a coach and a player talk to each other. I'm sure he's under.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He knows the frustration.

[George Pickens]

A.J. brown has said this countless times.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Over and over and over again. He said it last year.

[George Pickens]

He said it last year. He said it in the media.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I think it was last week or

[George Pickens]

maybe week, week before last. Before he had. The game he had last week is constantly the same thing. And I think a lot of people are saying, oh, he's a diva. Oh, he's selfish. No, he's not. He wants to win. When it comes to winning, obviously you want to be a part of that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's like doing a school project.

[George Pickens]

It's like doing a group project in school and everybody else do the work and you sit on the back end, everybody get an award and then you like, well, hell, I didn't even get to help.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I feel like I ain't doing nothing.

[George Pickens]

He just wants to be a part and contribute to the wins that they're having. Being able to contribute to the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He contributed. He blocking. Doing a great job. That's a part of it. Don't you. I mean, sometimes. Look, I understand. Look, we all. When we say we want to, you know, we want to. We. We want to contribute. Receivers won't. They want to win. I'm not questioning whether or not a receiver wants to win, but they really like to win their way. That means ten catches, a hundred yards and a touc down. At least that's what they figure. Contributing blocking is not a necessary. Blocking is not really a part where they feel they're contributing. They measured their worth in catches and yards and touchdowns.

[Alon Cohen (UFC R&D)]

And I get it.

[George Pickens]

I'm glad you said that. They measure their worth. How do you measure the value when it's time to get paid of a good receiver?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

By his what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that comes into play. Yes. Catching touchdowns. But blocking. Blocking is also a part of that.

[George Pickens]

I ain't never seen a great blocking receiver get $30 million. Never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They wasn't back there back then. But Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice.

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Block.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying. Ocho, we gotta stop this now. Look, I understand that we like these guys. We. Let's call it what it is. A.J. brown is upset that he's not. He sees Puka Nakua. He sees all these other receivers putting a number.

[George Pickens]

Yeah. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So winning is not the most important thing. His stats are.

[George Pickens]

Of course they are. Because that's how they. That's how they judge us. That's how they value. What's the first thing when you talk about numbers? That's the first thing we always talk about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How did.

[George Pickens]

When we talk about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question.

[George Pickens]

We talk about top five. What's the first thing we do, we bring up the numbers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Talk to me. Did you ever. Did you ever hear Heinz Ward complaints?

[George Pickens]

He didn't have to. They got him the ball. Go ahead. Next.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He blocked people thought they changed the rule. They got a rule in for Hines Ward and Quan Bolden. Guys blocked. Ocho, I get it. Because. So this notion that he cares more about winning, he doesn't. He cares about his stats.

[George Pickens]

So unk. You didn't care about your stats? Is that what we're doing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How do you. How do you go public and complain about catches when you win it, if you lose it? He has a valid argument. Because if you give me the ball, we would not be in this situation. You're winning. You're winning, Ocho.

[George Pickens]

Okay.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

All right.

[George Pickens]

You're right. All right.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You winning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're winning.

[George Pickens]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. Let me ask you. I'll give you a prime example.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Jalen Hurst said. Jalen Hurst winning. He said, man, but damn, I'm throwing for 112 yards. But he see all these other guys throwing for 300, 400 yards, and he said, man, I need to throw the ball more. What would you say then?

[George Pickens]

Wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They measure quarterback by his numbers. So if Jalen Hurst throw it for 112, 130, they winning. And he says, man, I want to throw the ball. I mean, I wish I could throw the ball like Mahomes. I wish I could throw the ball like Josh Allen. I wish I could put the ball in the air like some of these other quarterbacks. What would you say then?

[George Pickens]

Stats is everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just outro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I love how you switch things up.

[George Pickens]

Stats is everything. And you know that there's a reason why he's fussing. You know that. Because you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know why.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

I know why.

[George Pickens]

When it comes to this dirty business, you're right. You know that There's a reason why he's. There's a reason why every receiver, every number one acts a fool when it comes to their numbers again and getting catches. Because they base our value on production. You know that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, let's just say he had Puka Nakua's numbers, but they were one in three.

[George Pickens]

That's a hypothetical. That's a hypothetical. It makes no sense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see what you. I see. I got it.

[George Pickens]

Hold on. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. When you go to the table, he Already got paid. Let me, let me finish.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[George Pickens]

He got paid already, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[George Pickens]

So you know what they gonna tell him? Well, A.J. you know what? Your production doesn't match the salary you're making. So people need you to take a pay cut. Because when it comes to making 30 million a year, they don't measure by wins and losses. It's based on the goddamn numbers and your production, not no damn blocking. Oh, you block really well. We gonna pay it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. If the are the Eagles the only team that paid receivers, so you don't think he could go anywhere else? So if his numbers are not good there, what are other teams looking at him? They say AJ still.

[George Pickens]

I don't know.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know.

[George Pickens]

You going from. You going. We talk about one scenario. We talk about one scenario.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm saying. You're trying to say the only. The important to him is his stats. I thought winning. When he came there, he said he wanted to be a part of a.

[George Pickens]

He already won. He won already. Give me some goddamn numbers. He had to go through this shit last year and guess what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got paid.

[George Pickens]

He got paid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got paid. He got paid. I can see if he was on that first contract.

[George Pickens]

He got paid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, what he played.

[Samsung/Pfizer/Fabuloso Announcer]

Hold on.

[George Pickens]

I got paid. So you know What? I'm good. One catch for seven yards in a four quarter game is enough for 30.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had two.

[George Pickens]

That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. I'm just asking you, is that okay by your standards, Is that okay by your hall of fame?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He could have called 12 for a buck 50 and loss. Would that be okay by your standards? Is that okay by your. I'm just asking you a question.

[George Pickens]

You know what? Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I feel let you go like this. So if he catches 12 for a buck 50 and they lose, that's okay.

[George Pickens]

Let me say something. He didn't catch 12 for buck 50 and they lost. He caught two for seven and they won.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They won. So what's he complaining about? I thought the most important thing was winning.

[George Pickens]

Okay, you right, you know, you're right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It is right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm asking, is it. Is it the win or his numbers?

[George Pickens]

I mean, you would like to be able to contribute.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You would like to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just asking, is it winning or the numbers?

[George Pickens]

The numbers and winning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Well, he's winning. He's winning. He's winning.

[George Pickens]

On joke. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I remember. Hey.

[George Pickens]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I remember the time.

[George Pickens]

It's so funny. Anytime we talk about. When you talk. Anytime we talk about Receivers, quarterbacks. The first thing we bring up is numbers. The only thing we bring up is number. Now, all of a sudden, catching two goddamn two passes for seven yards is okay because you win it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, we don't break up, all right? We mentioned Jayla hurts. We don't mention no numbers. We mentioned winners. Everybody says he should be a top quarterback.

[George Pickens]

When we talk about winners, we talk about individuals. And the only way we talk about those winners and individuals is by mentioning their numbers and why they're winning, okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Which. In Jalen Hurst numbers. People say Jalen Hurst should be thought of as a top five quarterback because he's a winner. He doesn't have top five quarterback numbers, but he wins. So now I'm trying to figure out, is it winning or is it numbers?

[George Pickens]

I'm just curious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't y'.

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[George Pickens]

Hey. Hey, boy, you. Hey, you forgot, boy. Hey, boy, you forgot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, man, you. Look, I was. I was the number one guy for a while for. For a while in Denver. And, yeah, I like to catch, but at the end of the day, if I said I wanted to win and I've caught. Most of the time that I. When I had big games, I can honestly say most of the times when I had big games, we won. But there are times that, you know, I didn't have a great game. As far as stats, why isn't we won? How am I gonna go publicly go public and complain when we're winning?

[George Pickens]

How.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. That's all I'm saying. Look, I understand his frustration. I do, because. Yes, I do, because you get out there and you practice all week long and they tell you they gonna get you the ball, and. And then come game time, it don't happen. I get it. I've been there. Hey, but it's hard. It's just. It's just. It's just hard when you're winning to convince people and convince the media that winning is the most important thing. Because it sounds like your numbers are the most important thing. I'm just saying how it comes off.

[George Pickens]

Hey, I gotta. I got a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When it comes time for players to get paid, what do they base it off of?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're what, Amon Ross A. Brown.

[George Pickens]

Whether he's gotten paid or not.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When it's time for a player to

[George Pickens]

get paid, what do they base it off? When you go to the table, what do they bring up? Your what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your stats.

[George Pickens]

All right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Takes close.

[George Pickens]

Let me get something to drink.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They bring up your stats, but what about winning? Tell me the guy that got Paid at top receiver money and they not winning. What receiver get making top money? Tell me. The receivers that's making top money that didn't make that, that's, that didn't make playoffs. Has Jetta ever made the playoffs? Has CD ever made the playoffs? Hey, has Chase? I'm just asking. Ocho, you keep saying that.

[George Pickens]

That don't make no. That don't make no sense. They not getting paid because they made a playoffs. Don't do that. If they won, if they didn't make the playoffs, they would get paid anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you went.

[George Pickens]

So you three best receivers in the league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me get this straight. So you'd rather have stats than lose, than have lesser stats than.

[George Pickens]

We trying to talk about losing and winning. We talk about because they're winning and

[Shannon Sharpe]

he doesn't have the stats. He could have stats and lose like he was losing in Tennessee.

[George Pickens]

That's. This. You, you talk about two totally different things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm not.

[George Pickens]

I said, what do they base it off of when it's time to get paid?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just asking you a simple question.

[George Pickens]

Numbers in production, that's what they do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, I'm just asking so you can

[George Pickens]

put in hypotheticals that had nothing to do with anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just asking you a question. So how many times I give you a prime example. Here's a guy that put up stats and they didn't win and he didn't come. Megatron. How many times do you hear Megatron complain about the ball?

[George Pickens]

Who else were they gonna throw it to?

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, there you go, you see, I thought you changed it.

[George Pickens]

Who else were they gonna throw it to? They didn't have a choice. Stanley didn't have a choice but to

[Shannon Sharpe]

throw it to him. You see, you see how you flip it up? Ocho, he'd a. He didn't win. He had crazy stats. Crazy stats. 1964 yards in a 16 game season for what? Ask him why did he leave early? Ask Barry Sanders why did he retire early. All those rush yards, all those receiving yards. He said, man, I just got tired of losing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah,

[George Pickens]

you think that's what it was

[Shannon Sharpe]

because I was going back? If it's a lot, if it's a lie they told it, I'm.

[George Pickens]

I could tell you why Calvin wanted to go. I could tell you that it ain't got to do with no goddamn losing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, well, if it's a lie, he told it.

[George Pickens]

Hey, that was a great conversation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I hope you don't think he will go out there and turn it out against old Satan. P.S. hey, you are Psalm.

[George Pickens]

Hey, listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Hey, Chat, Chat, stay with me real quick.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, what I wouldn't be surprised is obviously, you know, the players upset.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Oh, they're gonna try to get in

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

rock inside that building. The first thing they don't want to do, and I guarantee you and I,

[George Pickens]

I bet the house on it, the first play is going to him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know what it's going to be.

[George Pickens]

It could be something quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm doubling him.

[George Pickens]

It's going straight to him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They flip it, you know, hey, you know what you're supposed to do? A guy like that, you double it. You take him away early, because then he go like, man, here we go.

[George Pickens]

You playing the Philadelphia Eagles. Double who? You better drag. You better drop nine in the box and stop playing. You better drop nine in the box.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We good. Hey, what we'll do, we'll take P Square. We take P Square, you put him home. Whoever. He ain't catching nothing.

[George Pickens]

Man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man, listen. Hey, Pastor Tan, get up there playing with. Playing with 11.

[George Pickens]

11. If he want to. He get up there playing with 11. He want to. He get bench press out the way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't do that. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Them hands. Hey, excuse me, karate expert.

[George Pickens]

Listen and listen. Hey, hey, hey. P2 got lucky tonight.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

PS2 got lucky tonight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For what?

[George Pickens]

He have a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He lucky you out. You had a quarterback last year. You had a quarterback last year.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And we.

[George Pickens]

And we beat y', all, didn't we?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, but what did Chase do?

[George Pickens]

We beat y', all, didn't we?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, oh, see? Oh, so now we chat. Did you hear what he just said?

[George Pickens]

We beat y', all, didn't we?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, Chat. Did you hear what he just said?

[George Pickens]

Did we not beat y'?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chad, did you hear what he just said? Now, it's about winning. It's not about stats.

[George Pickens]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You talk about stats. You talk about the Triple Crown winner. You talk about. Hey, hold on. You talking about the Triple Crown winner, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You just told me, Chad. What he just tell me?

[George Pickens]

Hold on. That we. We were talking about a pacific situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. I say PS Square shutting down. You said we won the game.

[George Pickens]

Don't nobody, man, nobody messed up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go back and look at Chase numbers in that game when Satan ain't give up. Satan didn't give up 200 yards last year.

[George Pickens]

Look up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look up, Higgins. Numbers in that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not what he. Oh, he went against Moss, who won the game. Y' all won. But I Thought.

[George Pickens]

But you say winning the matter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's about stats.

[George Pickens]

I thought the point was to win, so we won. Stats shouldn't matter, right? Ain't that what you said? Chad, this man just talk. Make up your mind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what y' all do. Hey, you know what? Come up out of this. I'm getting hot now,

[Samsung/Pfizer/Fabuloso Announcer]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey.

[George Pickens]

I got my. I got my AC off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm hot, man. I got my AC on and it's still hot. I might have to have me another road made. Got so tight in my shoulders, I could barely turn around.

[George Pickens]

Damn,

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho mother. You want one of these T shirts? I get you a Bronco T shirt. We should have bet. We should have bet. The loser would have had to wear. The loser would have had to wear the Bron. The other team's gear.

[George Pickens]

Oh, no, I can't do that. That's disrespectful. Hey, that disrespectful for all the years

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

and hard work and the blood, sweat, and tears and going to war with my teammates, Even putting on another. Another team jersey like that? Nah, I can't do that.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

What Michael Parsons went on Funny Market those podcasts and have some interesting comments. Ocho Ocho. You know, we want to make sure everyone has the full context.

[George Pickens]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So here is the full two minute clip. So we don't want to. No confusion. No, that's not what he's saying. Here's the full two minute clip of what Michael Parsons said on Funny Marco's podcast. Take a listen, chat.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

Like I tell you. Like Skip Bayless Autumn. Like I don't give a. That's that. But that's. That's them. Because that's part of talking, this communication. Yeah. No, I just like, like they want to rage, bait me. Rage me. Like, but like they won't say that to my face. Like I wouldn't. I told you these Twitter finger ass like them. I don't give a. I tell you how it is. You suck. You suck. Your show don't work no more. Like, what are we talking about here? Just open. Open thoughts. Yeah, that's why this is called open thoughts. Because you just have an open thought of like, like, like motherfuckers be trying to like tell you how to play the game. Come play my position, Skip. Cause I can do what you do. Shit. I do it better sometimes. Yeah. I say yeah. Yeah. So like what are you. What are we talking about here? Is Shannon Sharpe on the good side? Shay Shay, he live on he, he, he live on both sides. Like he know how to play the fine line between like as a player and as a show. Like he play that. Like he don't really show up when it matter, but he's a good player. Like he knows how to. But he knows how to. He, sometimes he edge on that. He be letting them ESPN writers get to him a little bit. I can tell. So do you see yourself at the retirement being a sports analyst and talking, you know, being on there. It honestly just depends on like if they let me be me. Like I'm not here to instigate no other player or talk bad about another player because they had a bad game or whatever the organization, if they want me to be anti. Whatever fan base, I'm good, bro. I'm not no fucking puppet. A lot of these dudes is puppets for national tv. If you want to be a puppet, be a puppet, but that's not me. I'm not selling my soul for a check. I'm paid. I'm good. Yeah. Forever. Forever. That's why I'm gonna be your friend.

[George Pickens]

Oh, you, you want to go first? What would you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I like that. I don't know what show it was. I don't know if our shows are numbered. But I did talk about. I wish players were a little bit more honest and were opened and would open up about how they truly feel. Start telling the truth on how they really feel. Everyone is always PC. This is the first person that I've seen come along and actually voice his opinion on how he felt about punishing analysts. Your thoughts?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was fine. I mean, he said what he said about Skip. I'm not here to, to, to defend or protect or. Yeah, whatever he said about Skip, I was cool until he brought my name up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Wait, it wasn't bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was a, I was an advocate.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go back and look when he was coming out and see what I said about this young man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said, well, he knows how to play the right. You know what I do. This is what I do, Micah. Because what I believe. And I've said this before chat and y' all know I said this. Once a person has done something, whether or not he plays good, bad in a game, I don't take away from what he's already done. So Michael, me saying Michael is a phenomenal player. He's a first team all pro. He's a, a perennial defensive player of the year candidate. But he did not play well in this game. What's wrong with what I said? So here's some stat. Michael Parsons in the cap with the Cowboys. Ocho. He had 52 and a half sacks, 21, 22, 23, 24. This year he played in Green Bay. He became only the second player in NFL history to notch 12 plus sacks in his first four seasons, behind the only great, legendary Reggie White.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rest his soul. In four playoff games with Michael, Michael Parsons played with the Cowboys. He has eight solo tackles, 10 assisted tackles, one sack, zero interceptions, zero force fumbles, zero fumble recoveries, zero touchdowns, three quarterback hits, three tackle for losses. Oh, what am I supposed to do, Chad? Please tell me what I'm supposed to do. Michael Parson is a phenomenal player, but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better. What's wrong with that?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So he needs to be better in those specific games once they reach the playoffs. I said, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How am I playing both sides? I'm being honest. He's a phenomenal player, but he didn't play well today. That's why Green Bay put 48 on you. That's why those teams did what they did to your defense, because you didn't play like we've seen you play in the regular season. What is wrong with that? Oh, ESPN Riders. Chad. Do y' all really believe, Honestly, y'. All. Y' all seen me at a lot of different locations. Y' all seen me at Fox for seven years. Y' all saw me at ESPN for two. Do y' all really believe they be telling me what to say? Considering what I be saying? Do you really honestly believe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, that that would mean you would have a ghostwriter and you can tell by the way you talk and the way you explain yourself and you go in depth about the game in general, that's not coming from anyone else except you and your expertise based on what you see. Because you don't watch the goddamn sound when you're watching football anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So that's all you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He also said, you know, he don't want to. You know you don't like it. Ain't about a disliking a fan base. My only thing is in the Cowboys, I say they have delusional fans. Because. Because every year. Think about it. When Jerry purchased this team in 1989, within the first seven years, he had gone to four NFC championship, three Super Bowls and won them all since that time. So he's on this team for 37 years. In the last 30 years, how many NFC championship games have he gone to? Ocho? How many super bowl appearances? So the delusion is, is that the fans keep saying every single year, this is their year. This is their year. This is their year. This is their year. There's a very, very fine line between confidence and delusion. That in and of itself.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And listen, one thing.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

One thing they will do. Cowboys fans, they will fight for their team. They will fight for their owner. They will fight for the players that are on that team, which is why so much pushback. I don't mean to change the subject on George Pickens understanding what the Cowboys need to compete and not being so heavy loaded on the front side on offense, but obviously he's of extreme value and knowing what you need defensively to help so you can compete, so you can get back to the winning ways of the old Cowboys. But you have no defense. And that's no disrespect to the players that are there right now, but it just. It is what it is. I mean, it is what it is. Even with the trades that you made last year, right? You know, getting Kenny Clark, getting Keon Mitchell, you still need more. You still need more.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You need a centerpiece. You need impact players, for one. You got people loading up the front

[George Pickens]

to be able to stop the run.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You still need somebody on the edge, the in.

[George Pickens]

On.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

On the back end. You still need somebody on the back end that can be an intricate part of your foundation. You know, in the secondary, you don't have that right now. I mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, it's Ocho. That's what we're supposed to do.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're supposed to look at a game because you and I played an extremely high level. We're supposed to look and what a player has already done. And. And I've said this before when I talked about Tom Brady. I'm not trying to take any of those Super Bowls, any of those All Pros, any of those mvp. But today he didn't play well. Miles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL Today. He didn't play well. Whether you say it's Chase or JSN or Puka Nakua, they're the best receivers in football. Today wasn't their day.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm just trying to figure out, what are we supposed to do, right? Are we supposed to cheerlead for y'?

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All?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are we supposed to trumpet y' all calls no matter what? So no matter how bad you play, Micah, I'm supposed to get on TV and say, you know what, Micah? Have a hell of a game, even though you did not. And we're talking about in the playoffs. Because you mentioned it. Yeah, well, he didn't play well this game.

[George Pickens]

You didn't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, what am I supposed to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The fans see it, right? The fans see it, right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, listen, the players are going to have to understand. They're going to have to understand, obviously, this era, this era of players because of social media, everything is magnified, especially when it comes from us. Those that are. Those that are doing the talking, having social media here as well, then it makes the voices for those that have platforms, that makes the voices and the things that they say that much louder. So it gets to the players, even if. Even if they want to hear it. But they. They have to understand that those that do jobs, like yourself, like myself, who's gotten better at being critical of players when they don't play well, is they have to be able to take constructive criticism. It's never saying that you look at it as hate.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But it's never saying that you're a bad player. We know you're great. No, listen, the funny thing about it, the only ones that get talked about are the ones that are great because we hold them to a certain expectation on what they've already done in the past. And we don't play based on what we're used to seeing. It gets talked about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But it's nothing personal. It's just based on your performance, your performance that day in that game. That's all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we're judging. We're judging you off because you set the bar. Had you not what you have. Had you not done what you've done in your first four years. No other player other than Reggie White has had at least 12 sacks in a season for four consecutive years to start their career. You and Reggie, rest his soul, are the only ones to do that. So you set the bar pretty high. So come playoff times, this is where legends are made. This is how. If Tom Brady had had all these stats and not done what he done in the postseason, are we looking at him the same?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If Patrick Mahomes had not done what he done. Look at the guys that's done it. We judge them on the playoffs. That's how you make your name. That's how you become iconic. That's how you become legendary. Yes, Michael did what he did in the regular season, but it was the postseason. Kobe, it was the postseason. LeBron, Steph. The Great. The great players. What do you do when it absolutely matters?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what you judged against Micah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I. I have a question, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When it comes in general because he's so great, because he has that star on it, star on his helmet, because everybody is watching him. Being that he's the best player defensively, do you think as. As a player, they. They kind of get frustrated a little bit and say, why is the focal point only on me and I'm playing a team game? But then you focus on, well, I didn't do this when. Hell, the other 10 didn't do anything as well. But that is what happens when you are as great as you are. You have to be the difference maker. Even if everybody else is not playing well. You got to be the one that pop out on film because you that boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many of them. How much of that money he gonna split with his teammates? How much money he gonna split with that teammates that Green Bay gave him?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Boy, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a team game now. Remember, he said it's a team game.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he got paid as an individual.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's a good one right there. Boy, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The thing is, Ocho, is that in the. In the most important game come playoffs, I gave you eight. Four playoff games. He has one sack in four playoff games. Is that good? It's not. Yeah, that's Michael Parsons. He's one of the premium defensive players in all of football. We're basing in the is. We're just looking at your resume. If you did this, Micah, had you not done what you've done, if you were a guy that just had your first six season, you had 25 sacks, I don't hold you in nearly. I don't know. I'm probably not even mentioning you, bro, but because you have 50 plus in four seasons, now we have to have a conversation. Why is it. Why is it the Micah that we saw in the regular season, why isn't he showing up in the postseason? Right? That's it, bro. I ain't got no. I get y' all know me, but I got to be honest, though, Micah, and you're not the only one. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Peyton Manning. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Tom Brady. And guess what? Every time I see Peyton, guess what. Hey. Come up to the box. Every time I saw Tom. Had a great conversation with Tom. Talked a little bit about football, but mainly we talked about what he's doing now. How can he get better X, Y, and Z? My. I. I just think the thing is, is Just, we, we're just at an age now that if somebody. That's 255 for 200. So in four playoff games, he's playing basically five, six. He's basically playing 60 snaps.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A game. So 251 in the four. So that's basically. He's playing 60.2 snaps a game. That's damn to the whole game. Oo.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you know, they only 65. 65 to 70 snap. So let's just say he's playing all. He's played at least 95% of the snaps. That's all we're saying. Michael, it's not that I dislike you if it's not like I'm trying to play both sides. I'm trying to be as fair as I possibly can because I don't believe because you've had a bad playoff game that you are a bad player. My thing is, is that, man, based on what Michael Parsons has shown me in the regular season, what he shown me over the first four years of his career, I don't know what happened to him today, but this is not good enough for the Cowboys to win. And if they want to win, Micah's gonna have to play better in the bigger games. The bigger the game, the bigger the player plays. That's all.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And if you take, if you take it, if that is personal or I dislike you, you're sadly mistaken. I don't know enough to dislike you. I have no opinion what you do and I don't what you do off the field. That is of no concern of mine. All I do is that when you punch that clock at be it 105 or 420.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, this is what we watching. This is what we do it. But I don't just. I don't dislike anybody. I try to be as fair as I possibly can in my critique of analysts.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When I put my analyst hat on. Ojo.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. But I, but I, but I appreciate, you know, me. I mean, look, like I said, I ain't here to defend nobody.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, me he talked to, he, he, he brought me up in the conversation. And I'm trying to explain to him, if you had a problem with something I said, just come to me.

[George Pickens]

You got my number.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I just saw you at the Super Bowl. Yeah.

[George Pickens]

And.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But you also have to think too. Huh? You got to think about what he said. He does a good job because he played the game and explaining himself in a sense, and he sees it as somewhat being on Being on the fence, but also when he doesn't play well, he's saying. But yeah, hey, I mean, he's saying you. You call it on both sides.

[Interjector (possibly a guest or co-host)]

You call them.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But now if you.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

If.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm not sure if you. For better context and why he said f. You know, Skip, I'm not sure if you heard me. Yeah, I know it doesn't have anything to do with you, but that's why, that's why the anger was more so directed to him. It's more so directed him because it's more. It's more of. If it's explanation in. In being critical of him, but it seems a lot more personal, especially when it comes from someone that has never played the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I guess the thing is, because, you know some of the things that Skip says, like he's happy that the guy got traded, he's not going to be missed. I ain't got. I don't care nothing about no trade. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Look, you played the Broncos. Hey, I, I love you when you're the Broncos. I wish you the best of luck if you go somewhere else. I. I don't get all of that. It a. It ain't that serious to me. Oo. It's never been that serious to me. It is never going to be that serious to me. But I just need. I need guys, not just Michael. Michael just happened to be everybody.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Everybody

[Shannon Sharpe]

have a job to do.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let's, let's. Let me ask you a question. If you don't do your job right, how long do you think you're going to be with particular set team? But I have a job to do.

[George Pickens]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And my job is to. To be as honest and as fair in my assessment of what I see based on my knowledge of the game and who you are as a player and what I see. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't add anything. I don't add no yeast or to grow, and I don't take anything out of it. Whatever the ingredients that you give me to make my argument for you, Ocho, that's what I use. Yeah, that's. So that's another Ocho. That's the thing. That's what we do. Ocho and I take the ingredients that you give us to make an argument. Whatever the ingredients is, that's what we use to make our argument.

[George Pickens]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But we're not going to add anything. Now, if you say this thing come with two tablespoons, all you're getting is Two tablespoons.

[George Pickens]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not getting. You, not you not getting any more. If you say four eggs whipped, you're getting four eggs.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you said flour, that's what you get. You get vanilla extract, you get cinnamon, whatever, whatever the ingredients call for. That's all we got for you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, they'll be all right. They'll be all right. Listen, the one that will listen. The ones getting talked about is, are the great ones. It's the great ones. It's the great ones that we talk about. And as, as much as they always want to play and be consistent week in and week out, you're going to have games. When you play bad, you're going to. It's a. It's, it's the nature of the game. It's life in general. The game of football has its ups and downs just like life. You practice all that time and you want to perfect your craft to the best of your ability. Unfortunately, you're not going to be able to do that all the time.

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