Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Joey Porter Jr. Negotations Stall + Stefon Diggs to Steelers?

Summary

NIGHTCAP — DEEBO & JOE: PART 1
“Joey Porter Jr. Negotiations Stall + Stefon Diggs to Steelers?”
Hosts: James Deebo Harrison & Joe Hayden
Date: June 26, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap with Deebo Harrison and Joe Hayden dives deep into recent headlines surrounding Pittsburgh Steelers’ negotiations with cornerback Joey Porter Jr. and the swirling rumors about wide receiver Stefon Diggs potentially landing with the Steelers. The pair break down contract numbers, team needs, AFC North rivalries, and offer their unfiltered, often hilarious, takes on NFL business and personalities.

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Main Themes

• Joey Porter Jr.'s contract extension stalemate with the Steelers
• Market-setting CB contracts and what Porter Jr. should get
• The viability of Stefon Diggs joining the Steelers
• AFC North outlook and strategic team-building
• Rivalry banter, especially regarding Steelers, Browns, and Ravens

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Summer Backyard Banter

Time: 04:00–08:20

• The episode starts with lively banter on summer grilling, black family reunion staples, and Deebo roasting Joe's “porta potty” solutions at parties.

  "Sometimes you just need a quick Glizzies, burgers, drumsticks." — Joe Hayden (04:12)

• Sets the friendly, raw, and humorous tone for the show.

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2. Joey Porter Jr.'s Contract Standoff

Time: 08:27–28:25

a. The Numbers Gap

• The Steelers and Joey Porter Jr. are reportedly “nowhere close” on an extension.

  • Porter Jr.’s camp asking for ~$30M annually, Steelers closer to ~$20M. (08:42)
  • Market checks: Trent McDuffie at $31M, Sauce Gardner and Stingley Jr. at $30M, J.C. Horn at $25M. (12:15)

• Unanimous agreement: $20M is a non-starter, $30M is likely wishful, so compromise should land around $25M.

  "I think more of a four year, $100 million extension. Makes it total five years. Have Joey Porter at five years for 104. Everybody's happy." — Joe Hayden (10:46)

b. Steelers’ Dilemma & Player Value

• Porter Jr. hasn't yet accumulated Pro Bowls or All-Pros, weakening the 'market-reset' argument.

  • "Nephew ain't got none of that. So I understand...not wanting to pay $30 million." — Deebo Harrison (12:47)

• Both sides expected to move toward the middle due to mutual interest.

  • "You want to reset the market? You gotta lead the league in picks, pass breakups, all that." — Joe Hayden (11:29)

c. The Guarantee Factor

• Focus shifts to the importance of guarantees versus average per year.

  • "If you're not trying to reset the market...you have to fully guarantee the contract and guarantee it around $28 million." — Deebo Harrison (21:04)

• Emphasis on structuring incentives for Pro Bowls/All-Pros to help Porter Jr. “get his money if he earns it.”

  "Put the fluffs with the accolades...the only thing stopping him from being the top corner is he doesn't have [them]." — Joe Hayden (23:58)

d. Strategic Advice

• Take as much guaranteed money as possible, with bonuses for earned accolades.
• Both agree: If negotiations stall, a 'sit-in' by Porter Jr. is possible and might force the Steelers’ hand.

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3. Stefon Diggs to Steelers?

Time: 28:25–38:46

• Richard Sherman named the Steelers a “logical landing spot” for Diggs. (28:27)
• Deebo frames the discussion: Steelers have promising young receivers—Roman Wilson, Pittman Jr., DK, and draftee Jeremy Bernard.
  • “No way you're saying the young guys are better than Diggs. But I don’t think he’s a fit for us right now.” — Deebo Harrison (34:31)
• Joe gives Diggs high praise as a slot/third-down receiver—dependable, sure-handed.
  • "Any team that needs a slot receiver...third downs, short yardages, he's gonna catch the ball." — Joe Hayden (30:01)
• Main reason against signing Diggs: Salary cap restrictions and the desire to develop the young core.
  • “Our issue is trying to get money to pay Nephew [Joey Porter Jr.].” — Deebo Harrison (31:24)
• Both agree: If young WRs don’t develop, revisit the discussion later.

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4. AFC North Talk: Ravens, Browns, and Steelers Rivalries

Time: 39:15–49:42

• Fun exchange about Todd Monken’s playful "we’re gonna blitz you every third down" banter with Lamar Jackson.
  • The hosts explain Monken's tangible improvements to Lamar’s blitz response.
• Detailed schematic talk about defending Lamar Jackson and the Ravens:
  • "Make him throw the ball against you and don't let him just take off...contain, rush lanes, big men, don't get blown by." — Joe Hayden (44:00)
  • Both agree the game plan is to force Lamar to play “quarterback” with his arm, not his legs.
  • Positional analysis: Ravens have less proven WR talent outside Zay Flowers; “It's easy work,” jokes Debo.
• Division comparison and trash talk:
  • Deebo claims Steelers’ WR room is second-best in the division, only behind the Bengals.
  • Joe insists Browns’ young WRs just need a chance and Deebo’s Steelers will be “sitting on the bottom.”
  • “Just wait till the end of the season—we gonna get the respect we deserve.” — Joe Hayden (47:43)

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Notable Quotes

• On contract posturing:
  “When you want to go reset the market, you have to be able to lead the league in picks, pass breakups, all of that.” — Joe Hayden (11:29)

• On betting on yourself vs. security:
  “A bird in the hand is worth...I’m guaranteeing you $28 million fully, right now.” — Deebo Harrison (21:24)

• On Steelers young receivers:
  “You bring in Diggs, you gotta pay him. It takes away reps from these guys we want to get experience to.” — Deebo Harrison (34:42)

• On division rivalry:
  “Our division, bro...the division gonna be fire.” — Joe Hayden (49:21)
  “Be prepared to be sitting on the bottom.” — Deebo Harrison (49:04)

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Segment Timestamps

• 04:00 — Summer grilling, family stories
• 08:27 — Joey Porter Jr. contract news & long form discussion
• 21:04 — Deep-dive: Guarantees vs. APY, agent perspective
• 28:27 — Stefon Diggs/Steelers rumor, WR room analysis
• 39:15 — Todd Monken/Lamar Jackson AFC North defense chat
• 47:43 — AFC North WR battle, more rivalry banter

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Tone & Chemistry

• Bold, unfiltered, and playful — heavy on inside NFL knowledge, and just as heavy on jokes and barbs.
• The hosts’ genuine respect for the game, for young players, and for each other’s teams shines through the trash talk.
• Accessible for casual and hardcore NFL fans alike.

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Conclusion

This episode is a quintessential Nightcap: honest, deeply knowledgeable football talk dressed up with banter, side jokes, and real insight. If you care about the Steelers, Browns, or AFC North, or just want a player’s perspective on big contract negotiations, this episode delivers.

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[Joe Hayden]

Brother Debo, I'm doing great on this good Friday. I'm not going to lie to you. Since the summertime started and these kids are home, I done had a full house. So it's active. I don't know when the weekend starts with when the weekend doesn't. When the weekday begins. When the weekend. When the weekend begins. So it's just been a lot of activity. I've been in the pool, I've been grilling. You know what I'm saying? So summer is in full flat black.

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Oh, you grilling. But you wasn't grilling on the grill. I'm grilling on the family.

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On the family. You was throwing sandwiches around for the family reunion.

[Joe Hayden]

I wasn't grilling there. But you made me feel it.

[James Debo Harrison]

That's some boys.

[Joe Hayden]

When I get to my house, my house grill, I know this grill. I know exactly what's going on. I know with the hot spots. I know where to, you know what I'm saying? Put the glizzies. I know where to put the burgers. I know where to put the chicken.

[James Debo Harrison]

What about the ribs?

[Joe Hayden]

Do ribs this time? I just sometimes just, just real. I'm real quick with it, man. The kids. Burgers, hot dogs, chicken drumstick.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm about to drumstick a black card, man. Throwing sandwiches around at the. At the family reunion. What the hell is going on?

[Joe Hayden]

It's a chill. It's not nothing crazy. It's just a day at the pool. You don't got to do it every time. Sometimes you just need a quick Glizzies. Burgers, drumsticks.

[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

No. Potatoes. No, no, no, I'm not. We got Mac and cheese, baked beans and greens. That's the size. And then we got. And then corn on the cob. Boom. And watermelon for the fruit.

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Little repo. Little repo for the. You know what I'm saying? And waters for the kids. Huggies.

[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

Come on.

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Listen, man, I got that fan. I got that fan of flowing around there. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

Got the fan of the soda. You got the bubbly soda pouring around.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, bro, I'm trying.

[Joe Hayden]

They love you. They want the sub. Can I get some soda? They trying to get them some water.

[James Debo Harrison]

I got the hoes ready. You want to get some water? I got the holes right there. Bottle water.

[Joe Hayden]

I got bottled water for the kids. Oh, yeah. But you know what I'm putting on top of it, though? We got the marker on it with the. With the initials on the top. Bink. So when I'm seeing the bottle walking around, boy, I know your body. You finishing that water. You're finishing that. You're not just gonna keep leaving them all around. No, it's a little initials. What's your name? What's your name, son? Boop.

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[James Debo Harrison]

I'm just telling you right now. They going to that hose right there, but they're going to the holes. Everybody going to the holes.

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Debo Harrison]

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[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I got. I got a couple porta potties out there and everything.

[Joe Hayden]

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[James Debo Harrison]

I can't have them tearing it up.

[Debo Harrison]

Wow.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, you. Damn, that's tough. Where is the love? You sending your family to the Porta Potty?

[James Debo Harrison]

Two bedrooms, one bathroom.

[Joe Hayden]

My folks would look at me so, like, dang, that's. So we not good enough to go use the restroom in the house.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm making it so that you got enough of it. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Hayden]

I understand. Bringing water in and out. Bringing. Just dragging water in and out. You dry? Just making my water. Making my house, bringing it. Are you dragging in water? I can understand that, but they got to use the restroom.

[Debo Harrison]

No, no, no.

[James Debo Harrison]

Everything start from the garage.

[Joe Hayden]

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To the street. Because, like, I block off the whole

[Debo Harrison]

street because I ain't got nowhere else to go, Joe.

[James Debo Harrison]

I ain't. You know, I told you I'm two bedroom, one bath. You ain't got.

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I ain't.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ain't no you. Hey, you gonna see. Listen, Joe, that's why I ain't had you over, like. Cause I ain't gonna lie. I'm a little, you know, I. I just, you know, I do. I live. I live very, very frugally.

[Debo Harrison]

I'll say.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, I'm a. I'm a frugal person, but it looked like we might have some frugally going on, some frugality.

[Joe Hayden]

Somebody's frugal.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, with the. With the Pittsburgh Steelers. Uh, Joey Porter Jr. And the Steelers, they say, aren't close on a contract extension. There's a question now if the team will even ink a deal.

[Debo Harrison]

And I guess from Jerry Dulac, I guess porter wants around 30 million. And there's speculation that the Steelers value him closer to 20. Just closer to 20. Man, come on, man, stop playing, man. You. You. What you think, man?

[James Debo Harrison]

You think they. They need to pay my guys? They need to pay him what he want.

[Debo Harrison]

They need.

[James Debo Harrison]

What you think, Joe?

[Joe Hayden]

I think this is what I was saying, that's going to happen from the beginning. It's going to be Joey Pointer and his camp. Obviously, from what he's been doing, how he's been improving, how he was a fourth round draft pick. He signed a contract of four years, $9 million. They've been getting a first round, high level corner this entire time for a steal. So when it's agent wise back pay, trying to reset the market. He hasn't been doing nothing but performing as a top five corner, not allowing touchdowns, not that's what you do. That's, that's the job. So with your agent and with Joey Porter Jr looking amongst your peers, looking amongst and seeing out there what it is. 30 million is what Trent McDuffie signed free agent at the highest paid corner. What I'm looking at is you got all pros, pro bowls, interceptions. So when you're going from the Steelers perspective, we understand the same thing for sure. A great corner going to be, you know what I'm saying, one of the best in the league. So the wanting to reset the market, I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing around J.C. horn, J.C. horn, same kind of draft, maybe the year before, four years, $100 million. So if they're saying 20, Joey Porter and his people are saying 30. That seems so far apart. But when dudes split $5 million, when they meeting in the middle around that $25 million mark, that's kind of where I thought. And as in Joey Porter is looking like the Herbic deal. If he gets an extension, he has one year left on this contract. One year, $4 million. If he gets that 4 million for that four year extension for $100 million, that averages that's $25 million a year in new money. But as a total contract that'd be five years, $104 million. So we make 70 of it guaranteed. You know what I'm saying? Get them a nice signing bonus, give him like 30 million in the first year and then the next two years would be around 17 and a half. So the full average of the contract will be around $20 million a year. But 25 and new money. So he'll be happy, the team will be happy. And at the same time with Joey Porter Jr. And the team are looking at like you're in a good spot, you can one of like $25 million a year. Playing in the situation where you are in Pittsburgh, you are comfortable, you do know the team, you do know the system. You are, you know, say you'll be good to go. So I think there's a give or take with both wanting to reset the market obviously. But I'm like if you were going all pro for two years in a row, had the most interceptions in the league, like then you would be able to go. The numbers have to speak to that. When you want to go reset the markets, you have to be able to lead the league in Picks, pass, breakups, all of that. So like, that's, that's the thing. So when I'm saying when 25, you know what I'm saying? Good. You're trying to reset the market. Obviously with your agent knowing what you got coming, the team is like, okay, 20, you know what I'm saying? But boom, knock it off, meet in the middle. I'm thinking more of a four year, $100 million extension. Makes it total five years. Have Joey Porter at five years for 104. Everybody's happy. What you think, Debo?

[Debo Harrison]

If, if this is true and the Steelers are at what they say, 20 million and, and he's at, he's at 30 million and ain't nobody moving. I don't see it getting done. But I can totally understand why he

[Joe Hayden]

wants that 30 million.

[Debo Harrison]

Because when you sit back and you look at it, dude, like you said, you Tripp McDuffie, that boy at 31, he's actually 31. Okay? McDuffie's at 31, Sauce is at 30, 30, Stingley Jr. Is at 30. And then from there it's a series 25. I think it's horn to 25. And hell, I think what's the name is right behind him.

[James Debo Harrison]

Ramsey.

[Debo Harrison]

I think Ramsey is behind him. And, and then it goes, then it

[Joe Hayden]

goes to the 20 million.

[James Debo Harrison]

But the big thing about those other

[Debo Harrison]

guys is like you said, they had the accolades that came with us, okay? So I understand that, you know, they, they have the Pro Bowls or they got Pro Bowls or all pros or both. Lil Peasy, he ain't got none of that. Nephew ain't got none of that. So I understand, you know, the Steelers, you know, logic behind saying, okay, it should be this and not wanting to have to pay $30 million or, or in that. Or, or in that range, especially if nobody's moving, you know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Like 20 is.

[Joe Hayden]

20 is a low ball. Stuff can change very, very fast. They know what it is. They know 20 million is not going to, is not going to cut the deal. You know what I'm saying? And he's knowing his agent and knowing throwing out that 30 is not going to cut the deal. So then when they really getting into that nitty gritty, somebody's going to say something. And when somebody gives another two, okay, boom. Now that you give a little, then you give a two, you know what I'm saying? Per. And it makes it that, that quick one jump, it's just going to be a thing. Because if both teams, they want to get it done. The agents know Joey Porter Jr. Is a baller. He's been doing nothing but good things for the Steelers. You drafted him in the second round model, you know what I'm saying? You're going to have starting all pro corner in your future. You already got him for the back pay. He's been playing for under like $2 million a year for these three years. So that performance, the same time you're getting it, you're evaluating, you could be like, oh, he was a bust. No, he wasn't. He's a baller. So now we're gonna have to pay him as such as a starting one of the top five corners in the league. You know what I'm saying? And now he's gonna show us that he's going to be still now trying to grind, get those pros. Okay.

[Debo Harrison]

And that's where I'm, where the, the. He's going to show us that. Okay, I'm cool with.

[James Debo Harrison]

We're. We're not gonna get 25.

[Debo Harrison]

I'm just telling you that right now. That's not, that's not, that's. That's not gonna happen.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because the way I'm looking at it and the way he's looking at is, yo, my best years are ahead of me.

[Debo Harrison]

They're coming.

[James Debo Harrison]

The only reason y' all balking right now at it being around 30 is

[Debo Harrison]

because I don't have those accolades.

[James Debo Harrison]

So next year comes or this year comes and he gets that, that, that, that first All Pro or he gets that Pro bowl and now he's locked in at, at, at 25. He's pissed because it's easily could have been 30 or, or 32, 33. He could have reset the market after the year. Like, so for him to actually take this deal and then be like, I took it because it was whatever, whatever, and then actually go and do what

[Debo Harrison]

we expect him to do next year.

[James Debo Harrison]

It would be him not betting this is. And I'm him. I'm betting on this is. No, because at the end of the day, I don't want to be pissed off and mad that I signed for 25. I go and I get all Pro next year. I go and I get Pro bowl next year. And now I'm the considered one of the best corners and I'm making at the fifth or sixth level of, of, of. Of. Of what the pay is like. You have to look at it, dude. Like, what he's going to do is he's going to do a sit in. Why do you do a sit in so that you get that year of eligibility, that credited season so that you're not under contract for them next year. Which means when next year comes around, you can leave if the deal is not done. Okay. And the smart thing, like is to

[Debo Harrison]

just pay the man.

[James Debo Harrison]

The Steelers pay him.

[Joe Hayden]

What do you think?

[James Debo Harrison]

Like I said, the 30 million. The 30 million. I don't, I don't know if it's gonna be the 30 million, but it's gonna be.

[Joe Hayden]

I got a question. I got a question. What are you thinking? Is if it's. Is it the. Is what is the guarantee? Why is it always chaos when we link up?

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[Joe Hayden]

you know what I'm saying? Do you?

[James Debo Harrison]

The guarantee, which should be the guarantee.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what I'm saying. I think he shouldn't really try to work the average per year. It always, it feels good because you want to be like, no, I'm, I'm the newest, highest paid. But end of the day, what is that guarantee going to look like if,

[James Debo Harrison]

if, if, if you're not, if you're

[Debo Harrison]

not, if you're not trying to reset the market and you want him to take something, I think you have to fully guarantee the contract and guarantee it around 28. That is just where I'm at with it as far as how I, I,

[James Debo Harrison]

I would look at it because when it comes down to it, he may want a 30, he may want 32, he may want 31, he may want to reset the market.

[Debo Harrison]

But if I tell you, man, I'm

[James Debo Harrison]

guaranteeing you fully 28 for whatever it is, hey, a burden of hands worth.

[Debo Harrison]

And I'm giving you this right now,

[James Debo Harrison]

you got to look at what Denver did. Denver just did it. You was talking about what they did. They reworked his deal and they added a 5 million dollar incentive in there which takes him from 24 to 29 this year as long as he makes an all pro.

[Joe Hayden]

But look, Patrick certain, we could put

[James Debo Harrison]

that same language in there for nephew. We could put that same language in there for nephew. Hey, nephew, this is what it is, man. It's gonna be, it's gonna be 26, okay? If you go all pro or Pro bowl. And then on top of that, when it comes down to it, it's a not likely to be earned bonus. So it don't even hit us against the cap because he hasn't made a Pro bowl or a Pro yet. With Practicer 10, he already made one. They're still hitting against the cap, but they like, you know what, we gotta give him some money because he's still one of the best in the game that's up there. And now he's at 24 and you got one guy at 30. 30.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm, we, I'm, I'm hearing what you're saying, but when I'm Joey Porter Jr. Two, if it's, you're saying it's 28, I'm looking at it saying 20. If it's $75 million guaranteed or $80 million guaranteed, that's what you're going to be able to get no matter what. So in your first three years, if you sign for $100 million and you get this four year, 25, $25 million a year, $100 million extension with $80 million guaranteed. Your first year, you're going to get 30 million. Your next two, you can get 25 and 25, that's your first.

[Debo Harrison]

Are you adding incentives to that?

[James Debo Harrison]

Are you giving me that, that Pro bowl and say if you give me that, I can see the deal getting done. If you're not giving me a Pro bowl or all Pro incentive that's going to add money on top of it.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm not taking it. Okay. No, I'm. Yes, yes. Put, put, put, put that. Put, put that in there. Put, put it in there. Put it in there to make, to make it look good in the new money. Put it in and make it look good in new money.

[James Debo Harrison]

So you say, like you say, you say 25 or 26, whatever it is, 5 million for.

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[James Debo Harrison]

It's a night likely to be earned bonus. So it won't even count against the cap until. It would be likely until it's earned this year. Then it would count against next year when he made it again. So that would take him right there from a, a 20, a 25 or whatever it is. 24, whatever you were saying, to a 30, 29.

[Joe Hayden]

I got you the.

[James Debo Harrison]

That year. And yeah, the average would be, whatever that would be. But the bonus of making a Pro bowl or All Pro, whatever that may be, will put him where he wants to be. The same thing that he just did by reworking his deal.

[Joe Hayden]

I got you. The fluffs with the accolades will make it to make you be paid as if you were a top corner. Because if you do that, then you can get that extra, the extra bonus that makes.

[James Debo Harrison]

Only thing that's stopping him from being the top corner is he doesn't have.

[Joe Hayden]

I understand, I understand. And I'm just saying this too.

[Martha (Kohler Ambassador)]

Let's.

[Joe Hayden]

Are you not, Are you not. You're not signing that deal with the Steelers if it's going to just. If it's going to average out to 26, let's say $26 million a year, you're not signing the deal.

[James Debo Harrison]

How much is guaranteed? Is it fully guaranteed?

[Debo Harrison]

Is the whole contract.

[James Debo Harrison]

I'm not taking it unless the full contract is guaranteed.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. Yeah, okay. I'm, I'm here. I'm hearing.

[James Debo Harrison]

Because you're telling me right now.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm hearing what I'm saying.

[James Debo Harrison]

Take 26 at a three year deal that's guaranteed versus saying you go pay me and let me reset the market next year at 32, 33 with three guaranteed and it's gonna be a hundred right there for three years. I'm not gonna kill myself. I'm not gonna cut my throat like that. I'm an agent. I'm his agent. Listen, you got to make it look good. You got to make it. You got to make it good. You can do it. You got ways to do it. Right now because he, he hasn't made a Pro Bowl. Those not likely to be earned bonuses don't even count against the cap. Now give him what he want, but put it on there so that he has to show, hey, we are paying you this. We're gonna give you 24, 25.

[Debo Harrison]

No for sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

You make all pro or Pro bowl now you get this extra five would put you at the 30. You do it next year, it's the same thing.

[Joe Hayden]

No, I feel you. That's. Yep, yep. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying I would want Joey Porter Jr. At the end of the day, definitely get as much guaranteed as you possibly can. And like you said, a bird in the hand is more than a bogging the feather. So betting on yourself, I feel like is it going to be what, what is what is betting on yourself? Are you not going to get the 80 million guaranteed with the Steelers and being there for the next three years and then after you ball, we're expecting him to make all these all pros and do all of this stuff. So three years at that, after you made $80 million worth the first three, then you're up again that last year, you know what I'm saying? You got one year left in your contract. We're expecting you to ball out. You're expecting yourself to ball out. So after that first three years that you made that 80 guaranteed, now you're back to the table because if you're expecting the ball, it's time to go re up.

[Debo Harrison]

But that same 80 next year Joe

[James Debo Harrison]

can be a hundred.

[Joe Hayden]

Stand that Debo. But he played three years already. Now it's that, that is a bet on yourself.

[James Debo Harrison]

But like you said, back pay. Back pay where my back pay at?

[Joe Hayden]

What I'm with you. What you threw on to me, that is that I would agree with is if he does do the base thing of the contract would be the 4 year 100 million dollar contract. Then to make it the extra 20 would be a 5 year each year incentive. Some have 5 year, 5 million dollars worth of incentives each year with on all pros and pro Bowls. You know how they want to ever break that up? That can make him averaging $30 million a year. If he does, he's getting his 25, then that extra five. If you all pro then you get an extra two and a half. So now you're at 27 and a half that year, you know what I'm saying? The other two and a half gone next season is 25, you know what I'm saying? Then you. If you make that extra that all Pro, you get that incentive, you know what I'm saying? To make it 27 to order to make it 30. So I'm with you a thousand percent with that because that's like, that's in the air. That's fluff. The thing that I was always trying to get to him with is what you going to get for show regardless of what happens. You know what I'm saying? That 25 that you're signing for thousand percent, you're going to get that 80 million guaranteed incentives for sure. You can put that in the still making it look good for you to make the average out the 30. And then the still is like, all right, if you go get that, you know what I'm saying? You would deserve it because you made those incentives. So you speaking. You're saying the same. I was just like, I was just trying to talk that guarantee for sure money. And then you make a great point, though. If you do ball out, let's put that fluff in there that I'm getting paid like those dudes a thousand percent. A thousand percent, right?

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Tab Ramos]

Yeah.

[Debo Harrison]

That's why, you know, like I said,

[James Debo Harrison]

I. I feel like the dealer get done.

[Debo Harrison]

They'll find out a way to work it out and get things going. I think right now, you know, it is what it is.

[James Debo Harrison]

They start low.

[Debo Harrison]

You know how it goes.

[Joe Hayden]

They start low. And when you're talking about these big numbers, like, you know what I'm saying, you drop a little. You know what I'm saying? Four years. Four years, a million. That's a lot. Dude's like, man, I'm like, yeah, it can get. It can get chopped down quickly, though,

[Debo Harrison]

Right, right. For sure. For sure.

[James Debo Harrison]

So the Steelers.

[Debo Harrison]

Well, not the Steelers. Richard Sherman, I guess they.

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[Debo Harrison]

He believes the a landing spot for Diggs might be with Steelers still is named as a logical landing spot for all pro right receiver Stefan Diggs. Richard Sherman said, I think a team with a young receiving core or a inexperienced receiving corps could take a shot on him. Maybe the Cleveland Browns. Could the Pittsburgh Steelers use him? I think they could, Joe. I think the Browns could definitely. I think y' all could use him because y' all do have an inexperienced receiving core. And when you look at it, your number one is Jerry Judy. And then from there you got two rookies that are slotted to the starters, right? Yeah. I don't know if Judy is the person that you want or the only veteran there that you want leading your guys. Especially after some of his, you know, actions from last year's and last year and some of the things that, you know, he said and what I'm hearing, him not being a really vocal player. He's a person that's going to be leading by example and you know, we, you know, what we saw from him last year, if that's the example that he's going to give, I don't, I don't, I don't know if that's, if that's the guy you, you want. So I see Diggs being a possibility for, for the Browns. What do you think?

[Joe Hayden]

I think Diggs is a possibility for any team that needs a wide receiver. I mean any, any in depth because he can catch the ball. I know he can go inside. He was mostly. He could, he did outside, you know what I'm saying? When his younger days in the league. But I. He can get open in a slot, sure hands and that's what you need. And he knows how to run routes. He knows how to get open quarterback friendly. So if you got a quarterback that's trying to get the ball to a receiver that he knows going to be able to catch the ball. I like Stefon Diggs. I don't think if you're trying to get a number one receiver, he's going to be your number one to be able to lead your team. But when we had Adam Thielen, when we're talking about these dudes in the slot that just know how to get open, know how to catch the ball and are dependable. I like Stepon Diggs. So I'm thinking him being able. He's been in the league for a long time. He knows what it is. He's a good dude. I think he's a good leader. Dudes on the team, he's a friend of mine like him, you know what I'm saying? Likable dude. But he, he works, he loves ball. So I'm thinking any team that needs a slot receiver that can just, you know what I'm saying? Third downs, short yardages, he's going to catch the ball. I seen just bang bangs. You remember in the playoffs last year, the one handed like contested catches, Those are tough catches that he's making routinely. He doesn't drop the ball. So I'm like, if you need somebody like that third and shorts, not looking for a burner. Nothing crazy. Like I don't think he's going to go crazy over the top. But we need people to move the chains, and if anybody needs that, anybody needs a receiver that can catch in a slot. I like Stephon.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah. I just don't. I don't see him being the receiver for us. There's nothing against him personally. It's more of what we have going on, you know, especially what you're saying, like an inexperienced receiving corps.

[James Debo Harrison]

We.

[Debo Harrison]

We don't really have that much of an inexperienced receiving core right now. We got DK. He has. He has time, and we have Pittman Jr. He has time. But another issue is. Or the biggest issue I would. I would think is salary cap. Hell, right now, he's not coming for cheap. You know, he's gonna. He's gonna have to be paid initially, and he's gonna have to be paid some money. And right now, our issue is trying to get money to pay Nephew. Okay? We trying. We trying. We're trying to figure out some paper how we can get. How we can get nephew paid. On top of that, like, we have younger guys that we are trying to build, you know, with for the future and then, you know, develop into, you know, what it is that. That we need. And, you know, he's not a spring chicken, so what is he, 31, 32, something like that? It's not like he's gonna. He's gonna be there long. I think once we do that, if we were to pick him up, it takes away reps from these guys that, you know, we want to get experience to that. You know, we.

[James Debo Harrison]

We.

[Debo Harrison]

We had a young guy with Roman Wilson. He's still young. What is he, 23, 24, something like that. And then we just picked up.

[Joe Hayden]

That's.

[Debo Harrison]

That's, like, right there. Steve Smith right there, who was extremely high on the dude. He said off hit. He was like, jeremy Bernard can do it all. He's like, he can do it all. On the football field, he actually compared him to a Debo Samuels, but with better route running and receiver traits. Yeah, so he was like, stiller fans,

[James Debo Harrison]

y', all, you know, you got it.

[Debo Harrison]

You got a great one. You got a good one there. He said with Mr. Bernard. So with that, I just. It's nothing against Diggs, you know, it's just that I don't feel like that's the right fit for the Steelers right now, especially with the direction that we're heading and what it is that we're trying to do and build with who we have there.

[Joe Hayden]

And look, I'm not mad at who we have there. I'm. I want to see What Roman Wilson can do. I like Bernard. He's a young receiver that we just drafted. And I know what Steve Smith said. I believe in what Steve Smith says. So I believe he has great potential too. I'm saying, when you're saying with the money thing, if Stefon Diggs comes to the Steelers a thousand percent, not trying to ever take anything from what we got going on, you can't. You got to be coming here, trying to fit in and not being able to. Like, if it's going to be a money thing, then it's not the place for us right now. You know what I'm saying? It's more like I'm trying to get here, trying to figure out how to help this team win. I know y' all are nice. I can help out, you know what I'm saying? Bernard, it's never a problem having too many receivers, but just right when the money part comes in, I'm 1000% with you, but Roman Wilson, I don't know. Bernard's a rookie, you know what I'm saying? Pittman and dk, they're the outsides. They got it. They grown men, they know what's going on. But I'm saying with the slot wise Roman, we want to see like how he's young, so we're going to see what he can do. Stephan Diggs, I just know what I got from him. And then Gerald Bernard, obviously I think he's going to be great too. But you can never. That's five max receivers right there. So that's not. I don't think that's a overwhelming amount of receivers,

[James Debo Harrison]

I think.

[Debo Harrison]

But if you, if you bring in, if you bring in Diggs, you're going to take away reps from those young guys because it's no way that you're saying that the young guys are better than Diggs right now.

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[Debo Harrison]

And if you bring him in, you have to put him in there because you're going to have to pay him good amount of money. You don't want to take away what it is that you just built, and it's a lower cost of money without being able to see what it is that you have now. If something later on down the line through training camp and you say, oh, well, one of these guys ain't working out and he's still around and it's a possibility and yeah, maybe, but until we actually get to see what we have and, and how they're development, like, I don't. I don't see it as being a fit for us.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay. No, for sure. I see. We. I'm gonna just. We wanted to see what the slots looking like. I'm gonna give. I'm gonna look. Look at Roman Wilson and Gerald Bernard because I believe. I think Joe, he gonna get it German. I think he's gonna be solid.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah. Yeah, He. He should.

[James Debo Harrison]

He should.

[Debo Harrison]

He should be all right, I guess. During a interview with the Baltimore Sun, Todd Monan revealed that Lamar Jackson reached out to him with a congratulatory text following the news of his new role with the Browns, to which he fired back jokingly at his AFC rival. We're going to blitz you every third down. He laughed. Yes. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna give. I'm gonna give him.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, you go ahead.

[Debo Harrison]

So if you go back to the, to the history of when Monkin got there, I think he got there in like 2023. So that, that 20, 22, 21 time frame, you know, he wasn't in Baltimore. So when Monkin got to Baltimore, Lamar was having some issues with the blitz. He was, he was. He was. He was being blitzed heavy in past situations. You know what I'm saying? When he got there in 23 through what it was a 25 that he was there. Monkin basically helped Lamar improve in everything that he did. He helped him, you know, recognize blitzes, get the ball out to the right receiver, understand coverage is better. And, you know, and if you go back to what was the game January 24when they played Houston and it was like 10, 10 at halftime, and they were blitzing the dog stink out of him. And then they came out at halftime and they kept doing the same thing, but Monkin had adjusted and Lamar finished the game what is like 16 or 22, 152 yard pass and two. Two touchdowns pass and two touchdowns rushing. And they put up was 24 in the second half unanswered. And I think that was just, you know, part of the joke of him saying, hey, we go blitz you every now he ain't really gonna blitz him down. He just letting me know like, yo,

[Joe Hayden]

when they was whipping your ass, I showed you the way to get out of it.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying, Mr. Miyagi, though.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. So what do you. What you think, man?

[Debo Harrison]

You think the Browns go. Go have the edge over the Ravens this season, man? Do you think Monk can go help

[James Debo Harrison]

him and be able to slow your boy down?

[Joe Hayden]

If what he needs? I think so. I mean, if you got an inside track, what you need to do is watch tape on the still his defense. That's what you need to do, Mr. Monkin, because we figured out a way to normally neutralize not saying you can't stop Lamar Jackson. You just have to limit his options to he can do. And if he's going to be able to throw it and run it on you, you're lost. So you got to make sure that you got to make him keep him contained, make him throw the ball against you and don't make him be able to just take off on you, because if he takes off on you, there's going to be trouble because he's like a wide receiver with the ball. Not saying that his arm can't do it because he's able to do it with an arm. But I much rather me try to beat him throwing the ball against me than him darting across the defense, slipping through. Everybody back turned and we don't see what's going on. So I think just keeping eyes on Lamar Jackson, making him have to use his arm, bunching it in, stopping the run and making them wide receivers have to beat you on individual routes like Zay Flowers, that's their one, you know what I'm saying? So, like just when you got your corners that's able to lock up, if you can contain Lamar in that pocket, close it at the same time. Don't leave holes in your rush lanes where you can slither through and get missing. It sounds easier than not, but try to contain him, make him throw the ball on you, and then you put him another extra man in the box. So if Derrick Henry's trying to run it, if Lamar is trying to run it, they're all bottled up and you got to stand up outside. So if you're able to learn to just stand up outside the corners. Safety, you gotta play big dudes in here. Big men do not allow him to just get through the rushing lanes. DNS don't rush past the quarterback, sit down, stop. Like, don't just get blown by because that's the way your defense just gets beat down. So as long as you got just stapled defense, everybody's in their rush lanes, everybody's doing their jobs. The corners are out there playing man to man, you know what I'm saying? Or a little bit off zone, being able to like, look, we're doing one on ones. These dudes got to beat us out here because the run game is going to be what it is. And now we out here, like, what you going to do? It's not Jamar Chase out there. It's not T. Higgins, Zay Flowers and those other. They're good receivers, but they're not. Then you don't just go studying the tape, worried about them beating you in the game. You worried about Lamar running around taking you for deep, and you worried about Derrick Henry toting it on you. So if you can throw another one in there, make sure you keep eyes on Lamar, contain that run and make them have to beat you outside. That's kind of what the game is. So it's not too. It's not like reinventing the wheel. It's just making sure. Like when I coached him before, I know what the certain teams did against us that hurt us when they blissed us and just display gap integrity defense. That was tough because now we got to throw more timing. We got to beat these corners that are impressed, man, you know what I'm saying? On the comeback outside on time, if it's a little bit behind them, that joint might be picked. It's going to be incomplete. Like just. You got to make them beat us. Don't just be holding. No. Make them pass the ball down the field on this. Like something eventually going to happen. One of these balls going to get tipped and then we going to get a pick. So just don't panic. Don't allow them to just now, oh, no, we're going to go 2. Keep it down there. Stay man to man. How much longer? Just don't get beat with a bomb. Like. Nah, we just going to. How many first downs can they get? How many drives can they sustain without. You know what I'm saying? Just breaking the deep. Derrick Henry breaking it for 60 yards. Lamar somebody just coming down. He's doing the read option. People dive and he just scooting out on you. No play, disciplined ball. Making sure at the end of the day, make them have to beat us. Make it be a pass scale. They got to go seven on seven. They do got to go seven on seven. I like the defense being able to be on that. You know what I'm saying? A couple of plays.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah. I'm over the mindset of I'm going to make Lamar beat me doing what he is supposed to do as a quarterback, and that's pass the ball. Because you are not used to a quarterback being able to run and move like he does. So make sure that you don't allow him to do that and make him sit in that pocket. Everything I'm doing, I'm going to make you beat me with what I feel like you cannot you or you have less.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. It's not just not saying you can't do it, but a lesser chance. Your legs are just. It's guaranteed.

[Debo Harrison]

I know.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Debo Harrison]

I know y' all can beat me.

[James Debo Harrison]

I know. I know. I've seen what that looks like in playoff.

[Joe Hayden]

It's a respect thing when you're saying it too. It's like this. I know what your legs can do. There's no disrespect. So I'm gonna make sure that I rather.

[James Debo Harrison]

Your arm.

[Joe Hayden]

Arm. I'd rather your arm.

[Debo Harrison]

Yes, yes. That's. Dude, that's no question about it. Like what they got? Who.

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[James Debo Harrison]

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[Debo Harrison]

It didn't.

[Joe Hayden]

They.

[James Debo Harrison]

Didn't they get. They lost.

[Joe Hayden]

They lost lightly. So I think they still. Still got Andrews.

[Tab Ramos]

So.

[James Debo Harrison]

Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, so they got Andrews and Flowers, King Henry and Lamar. So I'm just like, we gotta. We Andrews. Tight end, big body. You know what I'm saying? Put a safety on like we got that. Come on.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Jalen out there say flowers. I like Sean and I like. I like big, young peasy. Now we just. Now show me something D line. Now. Now. Right now. Now. Yes. Now Highsmith make you have to throw the tj right.

[Debo Harrison]

It's easy work. It's easy work.

[Joe Hayden]

Like when you look at it, brother receiver, too. And Bateman. Bateman is the same. Like I'm saying, never. I'm not poo pooing Bateman, but it's not like you just like, okay, yeah, Bateman's about to go take the game over. I'm not.

[Debo Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie to you, man. I think we decent. Still is. I think we decent, man. I think we're real decent. I ain't gonna be lying to you, man. Even on offense, like right now, man, we got.

[James Debo Harrison]

We got a.

[Debo Harrison]

We got a nice receiving car. I mean, maybe Cincinnati might have a better one, but other than that, man, we. We second. Like, what y' all got over there, y' all fighting at the bottom.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, the only reason why you're saying that is because we're not proving yet. We're not proving them boys wait till after this season. We gonna see what they go do, and then we gonna get the respect we deserve. Judy gonna have way better.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta get them the ball, though.

[Joe Hayden]

We gonna get him.

[James Debo Harrison]

You got anybody there to throwing the ball?

[Debo Harrison]

I said they don't trade away, Shador.

[Joe Hayden]

I know, I know. I'm. We gonna see what's going. You know, get his shot. DeSean gets the first shot, I'm gonna be rooting for him to be hitting him on the money. If he's not, Shadow's gonna get out there and have to hit him on the money. Whoever's out there leading the Browns, we're going to see the receivers. They open. Hit them. Hit them. I gotta see it, Debo. You know what I'm saying? I can't.

[James Debo Harrison]

Who said they're gonna be open? You think they're gonna be open? We got sitting over there in that

[Debo Harrison]

black and gold something.

[Joe Hayden]

Look, it's gonna be. We gotta see. We gotta see. Look, it's gonna be. And then I'm gonna. I'm gonna know. Look, they getting ready in practice right now, going against the warden, Denzel Ward. That's what they gonna get when they get Joey Porter Jr. Over there. So we gonna see. They getting open in practice, you know what I'm saying? During the. During the preseason, I'm gonna see what's going on. See if they looking real shaky, you know what I'm saying? Looking like. They looking like either head top guys, if they look like mailbox guys, you know what I'm saying? I'm about to see. Take a slant to the crib type guys. 2013 guys. I don't know.

[Debo Harrison]

Yeah, okay, okay. Listen, man, I'm just telling you right now, man, be prepared to be sitting on the bottom.

[James Debo Harrison]

Matter of fact, y' all in a

[Debo Harrison]

fight for the bottom with Baltimore and, hell, Cincinnati, too. Dang.

[James Debo Harrison]

They got.

[Debo Harrison]

They got receivers, but we got something. We got something. To sit that down.

[Joe Hayden]

All I'm telling you is Debo. No, our division, bro. You just got a division is fire. The division gonna be fire. Health. If everybody, obviously if Steelers, we gonna be fired. It's gonna be.

[James Debo Harrison]

Y' all just gonna be.

[Debo Harrison]

Y'. All.

[James Debo Harrison]

Y'. All.

[Debo Harrison]

Y' all gonna be sitting there watching the fame, watching the flames go. That's it.

[James Debo Harrison]

We gonna be fired.

[Debo Harrison]

Y' all gonna be sitting there watching the flames.

[Joe Hayden]

You are out of your mind. All we've been doing is reloading. That's the crazy part, too. The same way everybody's sleeping on the Steelers acting like they don't see what's been going on is the same way everybody acting like they don't know what's going on with the Browns. They all worried about. Now they trying to talk about the quarterback controversy. Oh. Because now we got actually a quarterback. Shador and DeShawn doing what? He's just trying his best, just trying to be a model citizen to do what he can do and. And maintain that 230 and go out there and give his best and put his best foot forward. You know what I'm saying?

[James Debo Harrison]

Whatever you say, I understand. You got. You got a lot of.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm telling you, you got.

[James Debo Harrison]

You gotta like you. I guess your. Your hope is back.

[Joe Hayden]

My hope is back. It just. When I hear random things just coming from like, shredding door, I'm like, this. It just for. How about this. It just makes me real mad. But I'm like, okay. People just be saying stuff so I could just get like. So I could just literally get frustrated for no reason.

[Debo Harrison]

Okay, that's not happening. It's just.

[James Debo Harrison]

Hey, y'. All.

[Debo Harrison]

Y' all making stories just to frustrate

[Joe Hayden]

Joe and you, Debo. When they start saying craz crazy stuff, like, I was like, that's how I felt about when they kept on talking about Aaron Rodgers. Oh, man. Is he not gonna come? Is he gonna come?

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, I wasn't. I wasn't worried about that, Joe. I wasn't worried about that. I knew it was coming.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what I'm saying? That's what I was. That's what was frustrating me.

[James Debo Harrison]

They just had to get the money, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Like, we keep. We're gonna come on. Keep on talking about it, and then they gonna come on here and we see something crazy about Shador. And it's pissing me off because we got. He got training camp to worry about. We talking about trading. We got games to win in the land with Shador. I bout to hold my Wrist up. I ain't even got my rollie on right now.

[James Debo Harrison]

Listen, all you analysts in Cleveland, stop writing these boo boo stories. Upset.

[Joe Hayden]

Please, please. Just for. Just for my. Just for my name's sake.

[James Debo Harrison]

Yes, please. For Joe. For Joe's Health and Safety.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes.

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[Joe Hayden]

What I called it. I called it something. June.

[James Debo Harrison]

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