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I'm doing good. Good to see you, man.
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All right. Oo. Take it away.
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Listen, obviously you have a big fight coming up. Based on film that you've watched, is there anything that you see from Mario that can give you problems in this upcoming fight?
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Do I think anything that he give me problems?
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Yeah, anything that he does well that might be able to give you problems. You know, obviously round by round, you have to make certain adjustments as the fight goes on. But based on what you watch from him in previous fights, is there anything that you have to watch out for?
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Well, you got to watch out. I mean, obviously he has a good, good height and reach on him. So we gotta, you know, that, that, that faces some challenges, but nothing that we haven't, you know, seen before. Years of fighting. I don't want to, I guess, go into too much detail. It kind of gives him an idea of what I expect from him. So for me, it just, I see some things, but we'll be ready for what he got.
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Yeah.
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Are you concerned, are you have, do you have any concerns, any worries that your former trainer who you worked with in the past, that knows you very well is now in his corner training him?
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No, I really don't. Boxing, you know, it's, it's, it's. I mean, it is part of the, the trainer. But, you know, with Joe, I didn't spend that much time with them. You know, it would be different if it was somebody that, you know, I spent, you know, years and years and years with But Joe there for a short period of time, and if anything, I think it gives me advantage, you know, I know. I know exactly how he trains. Exactly how it trains. I know it ain't what I'm doing. I know I'm doing. I. I definitely see that as more of an advantage for me. But I do feel like it's messed up, though. I'm like, damn.
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Why do you. Why do you feel it's messed up?
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Just because of the conversations I've had with Joe before and just kind of like, oh, okay, the opportunity came, you. You took that pret. You know, not even a call, you know, So, I mean, yeah, no hard feelings, right? It's part of the game. But I just felt like that was. That was a little weird, but. Shit, ain't no loyalty in this game.
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Yeah. I mean, listen, that. That's business. That's the way business works. Obviously, when it comes to trainers, they have an opportunity. Mario saw an opportunity to be able to train with someone that is somewhat familiar with your game. And most of the time, regardless of what they tell them, once you get in the ring, it doesn't matter how much training you do, you still got to go in there and fight. You still got to go in there, land punches. You still have to go in there with some sort of game plan, and I'm sure you're going to be ready. I'm pretty excited. And what I don't want to do, but I have to ask. I don't want to put the. The carriage before the horse. When you win this fight, I'm telling you, you're going to win. I'm saying it ahead of time. When you win this fight, what do you see next for you as your big mega fight? There's so many different fights. All of us want to see you. Devin Haney, maybe Shakur, I think devont. I mean, Javante Davis right now, I think he's going with some right now. Is there anything you'd like to see after you get this fight over?
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You know, right now, I'm not trying to look too far ahead, but.
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Yeah, yeah, that's what I said.
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I've said before, you know, I. I'm really interested in the Shakur fight. Just. It gets me going, you know, and those are the type of fights that you'll see the best out of me. So definitely he's somebody I wanna.
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I wanna.
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You know, I want to look into after this fight for sure.
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Right.
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Barrios is a dangerous fighter. I mean, he ain't no company. It ain't like you just got to walk, you know, you got a Sunday picnic, right? I mean, he's a dangerous fighter. Obviously, we know what you bring to the table, and when you've locked in, you're as good as they have at the division, which you in. Are you locked in? Are you ready to fight? Come Saturday night, can we expect to see the best ryan Garcia?
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Oh, 100%. You know, I'm, I'm so excited to show everybody, you know, it's. It's one of those things when you're so innerly confident, you just want to show the world what you got and what you've been preparing for. So for me, you know, I'm as locked in as I've been, so I can't wait the opportunity to show you guys. All I can do is say, can't wait to show you. That's it. I mean, I feel like talk is cheap at this point. You just got to do it.
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Why the long layoff? Why, why, why, why the long stretches? I mean, what's, what's going on?
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You know, the. My whole career has been like that. You know, I, I get some momentum and then all of a sudden, you know, stuff happens and I'm forced to take some time off. I don't know. That's just how it's been. But you've seen me, when I get some type of consistency in fights and in training camps, you see the best versions of me. So, you know, right here, you know, we went straight to work. You know, after the Rolando fight, we, we took the, we took the loss, but we learned a lot of lessons with it and we got right back to work. So you're gonna see a great performance this time around.
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With, after this fight, would it. Ideally, ideally. How many times would you want to fight in 20, 26? Can you see. Can you see one more year?
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I definitely can see one more for sure, possibly two, but 101 more. We got to keep it consistent. That's key with me, you got, you
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got to keep it.
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You know, in boxing, that's what it, that's what it's about. You know, you got to be active. That's. That's the main thing in boxing, you got to be active. And, you know, that makes. That's when Canelo was the greatest, you know, when he was active. And Floyd and everybody, when they, when they continue fight, that. That's when their best performance are.
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And not only being active, you're one of the few fighters that I think doesn't duck any smoke. You don't care about who the opponent is. You want to fight the best of the best. And for that, if win, win, obviously, after this Bears fight, I really look forward to, you know, you being able to get the Shakur fight or maybe you being able to get that rematch with Javante once he gets his issues handled, you know, you know, out outside of the ring. So, man, I, I, I can't wait. I mean, I'm excited, obviously. Ryan, we, we met multiple times. You know how much I, I, I love the sweet sign, so I'm really looking forward to it.
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How do you, how do you feel going coming into this fight? Are you good? Are you where you want to be weight wise? Are you going to be able to make weight? Uh, there are no, I don't think there are any rehydration clauses in this and so you'll be able to be, you'll be able to rehydrate, eat and be able to have a great fight come Saturday night. Are you where you want to be? Have you had a great camp? No injuries, no setbacks, just full steam ahead?
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No, this camp has been amazing. Everything's dialed in from the diet to the training to the sparring, everything's been on point. No problems making weight at all. You know, they just had the seven day check in wait, the WBC and I was 149, so I'm right there. That's, it's not even a cut really. So that's what happens when you pay attention to everything and you follow the diet and everything. It's easy. So we definitely gonna have a smooth night come Saturday, right?
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What do you walk around? What's your way? What do you walk around? If, when, when? Let's just say you two months after this fight, what's your walk around weight?
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I say like 160.
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Oh yeah, that ain't nothing.
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Yeah, 160 is pretty good. But when I was, when I took that year off, when they suspended me for a year, it was like 181. 182.
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What?
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Yeah, this boy was big. This boy was big. And it didn't look good either. That's the problem.
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Hey, I have a question. I've always wanted to ask this. Obviously not really understanding it when it comes to winning. When you win fights and you win belts, whether it's wbc, wba, ibf, wbo, how do you feel? What do you think about sanctioning fe? Do you think sanctioning fees is something that needs to be done away with or do you feel okay. With paying sanctioning fees.
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I just think we need to know where the money's going at, to be honest. If you, if you agree to the sanctioning fee, I guess we should know where our money's going to. If it's going to a good cause or if it's going to retired fighters like they say, or, you know, because I care about fighters that are retired and have issues. So for me, I just want to know where the, where the money's going. I think that's key for me. I love the rich history of the belts and I love, yes, the organizations that, what it represents and you know, Muhammad Ali held those bouts and all these great fighters of the past and I wouldn't want to get rid of them in any way. So for me it's a double edged sword. But there definitely needs to be some new regulations and a little bit more inspection, I guess.
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Right.
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How do we make sure we get the Ryan Garcia that we saw fight Devin Haney, which I believe is one of your best fights.
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Yeah.
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How do we make sure on Saturday night that Ryan Garcia shows up against Barrios?
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It's all within me, man. I learned a lot of lessons, especially after the Haney fight. And even what I represented, you know, during the Haney fight, you know, I didn't treat my body like a temple. You know, I definitely just thought I was superhuman. You know, I thought I could just keep on doing stupid things and my talent would take care of everything. But those stuff catch up to you and God humbled me in a real way. And you know, it's all about being disciplined and making sure that, you know, every part of your body is working like a system. And once I understood that and I really took time, you know, after my fight with Rollies, just to really learn myself, learn my body. And then I just started building momentum and then I felt like myself again for the first time in, in a long time. And I think that's when I seen the light again and I was like, okay, I'm really that guy. My hands are really that fast. I'm really that guy. When I'm locked in, I'm that guy. Nobody could really touch me. Like then I just felt that way then. Like it just carried over all the way through camp. And then now I'm just in love of just making sure I'm the sharpest, the cleanest I could be and just healthy. Just like, I just know nobody could like really mess with me when I'm at my top, my top of my top game. Because I'm fast, I'm twitchy and I just, I'm on everything. So you know, I fell in love with that. I'm like, damn, what am I doing? Like I really got it like that. I cannot giving it up for whatever reasons. You know, it's all about sacrifices in life. The greatest things in life has came through sacrifice and I needed a reality check and I definitely got it.
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How do you, what have you done? There have been some negative comments to your reputation, maybe some of the things you've said, some of the things that you've done, but what are some of the concrete changes that you've made in your life to make sure the things that, that have transpired that kind of, kind of held you back, kept you from being the best person that you can be? What are some of the changes that you made, be it personnel in your life, maybe the steps that you've taken that make sure that we don't get a year and a half ago, two years ago.
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Ryan Garcia Yeah, I mean a lot of it had to do with just, you know, mental health issues. So we definitely started there and then we had to, you know, really take a step back and realize what's really going on. You know what I mean? It's like why am I drinking so much? Why am I crashing out so hard about certain things and you know, not caring about myself? I was in self destruction mode after the Haney fight. I just, after feeling like I was set up and you know, and, and just feeling like so it was so injustice because in my heart, yeah, I may have been drinking and doing all that, but I never, never took steroids in my life and I'll go down to my deathbed with that. And it just hurts me because I got tested the whole time through and it really damaged my heart and I just wanted every, I just wanted to like say fuck everything. I don't care about anything. I don't care about my reputation. I just lost it. Like I definitely went into a manic state of just not giving a fuck, you know. And it really destroyed a part of my life and a part of my reputation, part of my relationship with God, everything. I just, I wanted to tear everything down, everything. So it was just self reflection therapy and staying away from toxins that will mess with your brain, you know, you don't. Drinking is not good kids. And I would go into the healthy lifestyle, you know, if you could learn sooner rather than later, do it. And yeah, I may have kicked his ass off a couple shots, but don't you think that's possible? To do it again and again? Might not ever happen again. You know, it'll never happen again for sure. I don't know how I won that fight, but basically, yeah, just cleaning my lifestyle, making. Making those changes in my life, in my heart, and shifting my eyes towards God, and that's really what did it for me.
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I respect that, bro. For you, accepting before you take an accountability and says, hey, I've made some mistakes in my life. I understand the mistakes that I've made, and I'm doing. I'm doing the best job I possibly can to make sure this Ryan Garcia going forward is something that I can be proud of, my family, my fans can be proud of. So, Ocho and I take my hat off to you, bro. Congrats.
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Yeah, most definitely. I just.
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I just, like, at this point, it's like, I'm fighting for a world championship, and, you know, part of me is like, maybe it's good. I never really got that championship. Yeah, I got the fame and, yeah, I had all the money and everything, but to represent what a champion really is, I don't think I was ready to do that. You know what I mean? It's, like, to be a champion, I see like, an honorable dude that you want to. You want to see, like, damn, that's how he holds himself. You know what I mean? I know I'm ready for that now. Like, when I get that title, I'm gonna hold it proudly, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna kick ass. And we're not running from no smoke as the champion. I promise you that. That's a hundred percent. After Saturday night, I'm ready to rumble again. I could have just keep hold of that belt.
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Yeah.
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Well, I tell you what. You win Saturday night, come back on here and tell us how you did it.
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Oh, okay.
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Dang.
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I got the invite already back.
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Let's go.
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Hell, yeah. You got the invite. You. You come back anytime you like, man. Well, hey, look, best of luck. You look like you're in great. You're in great shape. You're in great spirits. You said you had a great camp. Ocho and I, the Nightcap family, wish you the absolute best of luck, and we look forward to talking to you down the road.
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Hey, see you guys soon.
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All right, bro. Appreciate you, man.
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Peace.
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Yeah.
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Ryan Garcia beats Mario Barrios. Excuse me, Mario Barrios. To win the WBC welderweight title. Garcia put on a clinic. He landed more power shot punches through eight rounds against Barrios than he did in the entire fight against Rolly romero, according to CompuBox. Ojo. You know, it seemed like Barrios was trying to protect himself against the left because we know that is Ryan's power shot. But all he did, it seemed like his. His thing was throw the left out there and then hit him with the overhand right.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Right.
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And he landed that shot anytime he wanted to.
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Yeah.
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Every time he threw it, it damn near got home. And from the time he made him touch it within, what, the first 30 seconds, first minute of the fight, Ojo, he felt this power. He's like, well, damn. Yeah, I ain't expect this. And he didn't. I Mean, I'm surprised that his corner didn't have an answer or a counter, because I don't understand. You want to neutralize the left, but if he doesn't do that, you got to have a counter to his counter. Ocho, what did you think about this fight?
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I mean, Ryan dominated the fight all the rounds, obviously all 12 rounds. I was. I was hoping Barrios was it. With as much experience as he has in the ring, I was expecting him to adjust at some point. Obviously, when Ryan set the tone and dropping him early when he hit him on top of the temple, obviously that. That made him a little gun shy. He didn't really want to throw because he didn't want to get. Get caught. Outside of that, it made me. Ryan did the same thing basically all. All 12 rounds. Jab, jab, check, hook, every so often, right hand, 1, 2. And it was really the same thing. I think for anyone, any. For Barrios to have a chance tonight, he would have had to take some chances. He would have to make the fight ugly. He would have had to fight on the inside and. And just go to work. And he. He didn't do any of those things. He didn't make any adjustments. I mean, based on what I could see. And Ryan dominated the entire fight.
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He did. And that's what makes you so frustrated with Ryan. But when he had the conversation on show, he said, man, look, I wasn't taking the fight serious. I was getting drunk. I was doing things that I shouldn't have been doing. He says, but I'm serious about this fight. And you're going to see a different king. Ryan Garcia. That's what he told us. And he was very calm. He seemed very posed, very composed in his tone. He didn't get too high, he didn't get too low. But what I saw tonight, this is the Ryan Garcia I want to see. This is a guy that was taking his craft serious. And we said he wanted in the Devin Haney fight. I said, man, if the man took. If he took fighting serious, if he got himself in shape, he was in shape tonight. He wasn't tired, he wasn't fatigued. He fought all the thing. I think his corner told him, like, bro, stay out. Hey, keep the fight in the middle of the ring. You don't want to get on the ropes. Hey, you can do whatever you want to do to him from that, from that range. But I was very impressed with what I saw, Ocho. But like I said, it seems like Barrios was expecting the left and he was protecting himself. Against the left. And you're right, the only time Ryan really threw the left was a check hooky. He wasn't trying to throw it with no power. It was just easy to check him. But every. I mean, every time he just stuck that jab out there and clubbed him with the overhand right, I'm like, damn, Barrios. Yeah, put an umbrella up or something. Damn. At some point in time, you gotta block it and not with your head.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah. I mean, and it's so funny when you think about how simplified the 12 is and to be for the same thing. To work for 12 goddamn rounds for experienced fighter like Barrios to allow it to work for 12 rounds and making. Not making the necessary adjustments round by round and being able to adjust to it and find an answer or a counter to that. I mean, that, that, that. That. That tells a lot about Ryan Garcia. His hand speed, but also the power he possesses. Once he got in the fall down early, whatever game plan bios came into this fight with, it was out the window.
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Yeah, I think that was the thing, Ocho. I don't think he expected Garcia to touch him like that early. Yeah, he definitely didn't expect to touch the mat. Expect to touch the mat that early. And it's easy to say, you know, what, do this, do that, but you felt this power within the first minute of the fight. Hey, he set you down. He's such a. Put you on your ass.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yes, sir.
Host 1
And so you like. Nah, I don't. I don't think. I don't think I want to go. I don't think I want to go back in there, you know, Hey, I. I want the honey. Yeah, but there'll be those. Those bees are protecting it. And so he. He fought cautious. And like I said, I. And I agree with you. I thought Ryan Garcia, we came on. So I didn't really. Did he win? What was it one? Was it a shut up? Was it a shutout?
Host 3 (Ocho)
I mean, I'm sure it was. I didn't see around that. I mean, yeah, I didn't see around that. Barrios, actually. I actually could have won.
Host 1
I don't. I don't either. I don't either. And I thought. I thought Ryan did a great job. We mentioned he landed more power shots through the first eight rounds. He landed more shots than he did on Barrios in eight rounds than he did than he did in the entire fight against Rowley. He was. He was mentally, physically, emotionally, whatever thing you psychologically unprepared to fight rolling. And this fight this was the Ryan Garcia that many expected. Like, this kid got talent.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Host 1
This kid were to take his craft serious. If you want to prepare, he can, he can go far. And the thing that I like about the Mocho, he don't duck. He thought he's already fought with Haney. He fought Tank, he bought Rolly, he bought Barrios. Oh, yeah, he ain't ducking.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Nah, it's not. I, I would love to see him and him and him and Shakur fight. I think, I think having a, a boxer with the IQ that Shakur has who will be able to make the proper adjustments round by round, despite, you know, there's one thing that beats speed as fast as Ryan is with his hands, but it's one thing that beats speed, and that's timing. And having someone like Shakur, who is that, his defensive prowess, you know, it speaks for itself. I think that would be, be a, be a great fight, you know, for, for Ryan and Shakur. I, I'm not sure if it will happen, you know, this soon, but that'd be a dope one.
Host 1
Yeah. Scorecards 119 to 108, 120 to 107, 118 to 109. I'm trying to figure what round they gave him. Somebody gave him two rounds. I'm honest about you. I'm just a chat. Maybe, maybe, maybe my TV froze because it took me a while. It took me a while to get to Amazon prime so I could watch this, I could watch the Zone. So maybe I missed something. I, I, I'm sure. I'm serious. Chat. Did y', all, did y' all see around in which Barrios won? Oh, maybe, maybe I had to go take a pee break. Something cause bad. That bad, that bad. Beat the Brooks. That bad. Beat the brakes off Barrios. I like the middle judge. The middle judge had it because, I mean, the knock down the first round, that's a two point round right there, Ocho.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, absolutely.
Host 1
So 120 to 107. I like that. I think that's how the scorecard should have lined up. But Ryan Garcia gave his father Henry his WBC title after securing the win. Said, I'm dedicating this to my dad. He had Henry on his trunk, I think. Now, Ocho, don't you get a chain? You get a belt or you get a chain? Cause they was talking about. I saw something on social media about a chain.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I mean, the chain, is that something new or.
Host 1
Yeah, I guess, you know, people Think, you know, guys got tired of paying the sanctioning fees for the belt. Like, you know, it's supposed, some, some of the money go to the sanctioning body, which is wbc, Right. It goes to retired fighters that, you know, that's falling on hard times. I, I don't know where, but now they got, they got a pendant. So I, I, I don't, I don't really know, but I just know Ryan Garcia looked really, really good tonight. I was impressed with the way he fought tonight. And like I said, when he came on, was that Wednesday night? Oh, that, that he, that he was on.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I think it might, I think it might have been Wednesday.
Host 1
It was Wednesday. And, you know, he was excited about coming on and hey, and, but just listening at him talk, yeah, he's had some hard times. He's been, you know, under there and he said, hey, he was drinking. I mean, he, he let it be known he had, he's, he also mentioned about some, some mental health issues that he was dealing with. He seems to have got those things rectified and got those behind him. He's taken his training serious. He said he had a great, a great camp, he's in great shape, and he was ready to fight. And, you know, he's like, hey, he's gonna make it look easy. And it looked easy. Yeah, yeah, it looked easy, Ocho.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I mean, yeah, I mean, I, I, listen, I, like, again, it was kind of weird to me. I mean, Barrios is a former champion. I was expecting more from him.
Host 1
Yeah, I was too old.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Especially from him with having as much ring experience as he's had, as he, as he's had, you know, throughout his career. I'm not sure why, why he looked the way he did, but obviously I'm not the one on the end of those punches that Ryan is throwing, so I, I, I can, I can understand, but I, I, I expected more, honestly.
Host 1
Yeah, I, I, and I think the biggest thing is that he took it serious. I mean, how, how, how great do you want to be in a given sport? How great do you want to be in a, in a great, given craft? Because if you want to be great, you take it serious. You don't do some of the things, some of the, the destructive behavior that he had going on and says, I want to be a champion, I want to be great, I want to be remembered in the sport. Well, the, what you were doing is saying that you don't want to be remembered and you want to have a very short career in your given sport. Because that was the path that he was headed down. And I'm glad he was able. I'm glad with. With the help of family, friends, and loved ones, someone that was around him got in his ear and says, ryan, if you want to be great, what you're doing is not going to help you be great. And he was able to get back on the right track, and hopefully he stays on the right track because you. Like I said, Ocho. Yeah. There are some fights that I. I like to see him against your core. Also. This. This fight was at what, one. What, what? 149? 150. 151. What was this fight at?
Host 3 (Ocho)
146.
Host 1
So it's got to be 147.
Host 3 (Ocho)
147, yeah.
Host 1
147, yeah. Because he mentioned that he was a 149 and a half when they weighed in the other day, so. 140, 140. So he was only two and a half pounds. So that was nothing. He had to weigh in on. On Friday. So two pounds, that ain't nothing. But he looked good. He looked good. I was. I'm. I'm bare. I was very, very impressed with Ryan Garcia tonight.
Host 2
He.
Host 1
He showed us up Mocho, and we know he has this kind of ability.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Host 1
I mean, I mean, if you go back and look at it now, look, everybody says, what the steroids and this or that. But he did a number on Haney.
Host 3 (Ocho)
He did, yeah.
Host 1
Now, Tank. Tank called him.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Host 1
But take it hard, take it heavy. There's a reason why they call the tape for real. I mean, you know, he might be the smallest Tank we've ever seen. You know, sometimes the. The smallest person, they get the name Tiny. Yeah, I mean, the biggest.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Host 1
I mean, you call Tiny list of tiny that man, 6, 3, 250.
Host 3 (Ocho)
And that. That's. That's another. Another thing is, I mean, from the casual boxer, I'm not sure if you can see the mistakes that. That Ryan. Ryan is making with the lunging and the throwing the 1, 2, and then in lunging and he's off balance. I mean, the, The. The. The boxers, the pure boxers would take advantage of that. They take advantage. I don't even think people can see it. I can see it where he's off balance, but he's. He's trying to throw combinations, but he's not even. He's not even playing it, you know, a Tank or. Or Shakur or some of those.
Host 1
Yeah, they're pull counter. Shakur, definitely a pull counter.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah. He pulled count. They'll take advantage of some of the mistakes he was making tonight, but he was so fast, and. And Barrios was so gun shy and scared to throw, he was able to get away with it.
Host 1
Yes. And the thing is, you got to be careful with all that lunging and all that, because they'll. They'll time it up perfect. Exactly. Pacquiao had a bad habit of that. He do this and coming in there. Marco Antonio Barrera.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yep.
Host 1
And the bell rang, the school bell rang, the church bell rang, and he still didn't get up. So you have to. You were. You fighting great fighters.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Host 1
You have to be careful. You really have to be on point.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Oh, yeah. You got to.
Host 1
Shakur is technically sound. He's a technically sound fighter, and you can't make the mistakes that you made against Barrios and expect to be Shakur. He'll make you pay for every mistake, every last one. It's like, oh, so, you know, the teachers, like, the subtle teachers, they let no mistake go. Like, damn, she done ran out of red ink on my paper. She had to get a whole new pen. She's circling everything. It should have been a comment. It was a period. It should have been an exclamation point of it, but damn. But congratulations. Ryan Garcia, the WBC welterweight champion, as he beats Mario Barrios in convincing fashion. 119 to 108, 120 to 107, 118 to 109. And he is the WBC welterweight champ. But some. Some great guys that's held that belt. You go back to Sugar Ray and Tommy Hearns and. And. And. And. And Floyd, Bud. Yeah, now he got it.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, that was dope. I'm excited. I'm excited. I just. I want to know who the next fight is. I mean, do you re. Do you rematch. Do you rematch, Rollie, ask to fight Rowley again? You know, I'm. I'm. I. I don't know. I'm curious. I'm curious. It's so many good fights that.
Host 1
That. That.
Host 3 (Ocho)
That can be made. I mean, what's next?
Host 1
It wasn't Barrera. It was Juan Marquez. Juan Marquez that. That killed Pacquiao.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Pacquiao, yeah. When he laid him out. Yeah. Laid him out front, because that was.
Host 1
It was a trilogy fight, wasn't it? I think it was a trilogy fight in which he got it, but he was winning. Pacquiao was winning. Yeah, that guy was winning the fight and got. And got reckless, and boom, and ding bell. And he couldn't answer the bell.
Host 3 (Ocho)
He Caught on that, that rhythm. He caught on to his rhythm. That bouncing, bouncing.
Host 1
Sugar Shane was like that, if you know the Sugar Shade would always before he throw. Gary Antoine Russell defeated Andy Hieroka by unanimous decision. Russell retained his WBA junior welterweight title with a score of 117 to 1101-161111-16111. Me personal, I thought it was a little closer than that.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Hey, I, I with that, that 10, that 10th round, I thought it was going to be a draw. That tip. Because of that 10th round, I thought it was going to be a draw. Young Bull Gary was fighting, you know, he was the aggressor the entire. The entire last round. I'm saying, wait a minute. Come on, now. I mean, but listen, Gary. I don't think Gary was hurt at any point in the fight. He caught a body shot early in the fight, but he didn't show any signs that it actually hurt him. I mean, listen, it was a good fight. It was a good, A good look. Good, good, good little scrap. I wouldn't want to be a judge in this one, though. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to be a judge in this one. But Gary did win the fight. I mean, happy, happy for him. It was good that. That opponent, but he wasn't easy at all.
Host 1
No, no, no.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I don't even know how to pronounce his last name, but it wasn't easy at all. Yeah. Iroka.
Nahir Albright
Okay.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Host 1
But I. The thing was, Ocho, I thought Russell got off to a great start.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Very good.
Host 1
Because I thought the early rounds, I like the first two or three, four rounds, I thought, like, okay, man, it's gonna be easy work.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah. Cakewalk, huh? No.
Host 1
Yeah.
Host 3 (Ocho)
No, sir.
Host 1
Old boy said, no, it ain't about to be. It ain't about to be. It ain't about to be that. It ain't about to be that easy for you, bro. They asked Russell after the fight, somebody, you want security, like, nah. You know, let me build up. Let that man to build up his reputation. Let me get by like I want you, man. Let me hold on my belt a little while longer. What y' all trying to do? I just got the bill. Yeah, and you trying to make me turn it over to somebody else? No, but Shakur says he has. He has great respect. He said, I guess they sparred at some point in time. So he's very familiar with the. With the young man. But I thought the fight was closer than I thought it was closer than 117 and 110 and 160 and 111. But hey, the judges saw it differently. And that's. That's all that matters, Ocho, is how they see it. And they saw it 117 to 110, 116 to 111, 116 to 111. In the post fight interview, Russell avoided calling out WBO champion Shakur Stevenson and took aim at WBC champion Dalton Smith and IBF title Richardson Hitchens. Ocho. I mean, hey, go ahead.
Host 3 (Ocho)
No, go ahead, go ahead.
Host 1
Look, I won't take to get his ish together. I won't take a Shakur to fight.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Oh, we, we got a while before that. You might, you might. Yeah, you might well let that one go. It's gonna be a while. I say maybe a year or two before. Before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Host 1
Sitting around waiting on him to do one year or two.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah. But I'm, I'm just about. Tank situation. It's not going to be this year. Definitely not gonna be this year. So Maybe, maybe in 27. Maybe. But you know, Tank got to get his stuff situated on.
Host 1
Yeah, you got to get his life in order, man.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah. But once, once he do and he come back, he's still, he's still. Even with the mishaps, you know, outside the ring, he might still be the face of boxing because everybody is still waiting for him to get back and be on point.
Host 1
But the problem is Ocho, even though he has those issues going on and he can be sparring if he's not incarcerated, and hopefully that doesn't happen. But we'll have to wait and see. Ocho, you gotta fight. Yeah, you gotta fight. Spar. And Ali was able to spar, but he wasn't fighting right. And he was never the same.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, it's not.
Host 1
After that three year hiatus, he wasn't. You take time off, it's hard to come back. Tyson was never the same fighter. Now, we understand that was a totally different set of circumstances, Ocho, you know, I mean, you could only do so much in there. I mean, he's like doing push ups. I mean, they weren't letting him go to the gym. But in that sport or any sport, in order to be good at it,
Host 3 (Ocho)
you got to stay good.
Host 1
You got to stay active.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, you got to stay active.
Host 1
Think about it. It took Jordan time because when he came back, he was like, yeah, he had a game here, but he wasn't a Gillette.
Host 2
Damn.
Host 1
But then once he got time back. But just imagine two years as a, as a boxer.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, that's crazy.
Host 1
You got to be in the ring, Ocho.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I know you got to. It don't matter how much sparring you do. Yeah, you don't matter how much, you know, fighting, actually fighting and having ring rust, you know, and you can spar all you want to, but actually fighting and being under them lights is a different ball game. And Pu, though, you do have ring rusty, so when he does come back, he gonna have to fight someone. That really ain't much of a challenge. You can't put yourself in harm's way, so it has to be someone that, you know, you could beat just to get yourself back in rhythm, get yourself back, get a, get a feel for being back in the ring again and get comfortable.
Host 1
Running wind sprints is not the same thing as training camp. No, I don't give a damn. I don't give a damn how many you run and how many you run. Hey, we running 14, 16 seconds. We taking 45 second break, right? Let them blow that damn whistle and go two minutes or no huddle and see how your ass huffing and puffing, man.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Please.
Host 1
Okay, I don't care. I don't care nothing about them weird sprints. I don't. I don't care about no 40 tests. I don't care nothing about no conditioning test. When they put them pads, that helmet on your ass and okay, no huddle. Okay, Two minute period.
Host 3 (Ocho)
It's different.
Host 1
It damn sure is.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Completely different.
Host 1
And so I could understand a guy that. The inactivity in the ring rust, because all of a sudden, I mean, to be able to see, you still see, but to be able to see those punches, once you get in the ring and the guys that you sparring with, that's not Shakur Stevenson. That's not a Keyshawn Davis. That's not the top echelon. Echelon fighters. And like you said, Ocho, when he does come back, he's gonna have to fight somebody. Hey. Basically a tomato can.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Host 1
Don't.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Don't put yourself in the harms where you ain't got nothing to prove. Get to get yourself back in rhythm, get acclimated. Being in the ring, being under the lights, people, you know, the, the people that love boxing, they're going to enjoy it. And when the timing is right, that's when you make that big fight. That's when you make that mega fight. You don't come back and just give and you will step in it right, right away and put yourself in. I, I like I. I like calling it harm's way, but you don't make that fight.
Host 1
Yeah, get a couple easy ones under you.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know who I want to see next?
Host 1
Honestly, who?
Host 3 (Ocho)
I want to see Lamont, Roach and Shakur.
Host 1
That'd be a good fight.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Now, listen, we talk about it. Talk about a chess match. Now that. That would be a phenomenal chess match that I would love to see.
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We're getting closer to seeing LOGAN Paul and Le'Veon Bell Ocho yesterday, my million dollar open bet to fight an NFL player has caused an uproar. Here's an update. Nobody is willing to put a million dollars in escrow and be flown here to Puerto Rico. All expense paid in box with three professional judges. They all want to formalize this with with a streamer, venue press conference, all that I get paid but not risk their own money. But I don't have time nor interest in that. I want to, I won't step away from WWE to coordinate and train for an event. But if any player wants to actually put up a million dollars in fight at my jail with official referees and and judges, show yourselves. That includes you, Le'Veon Bell and. Hey,
Host 3 (Ocho)
I like that. What you think it's gonna happen?
Host 1
Hey, leave out. I might be able to get. I come up with a quarter meal, but I want 500 in return.
Host 3 (Ocho)
God damn.
Host 1
Are you, are you like, tell me the person that gamble that puts up 250 and they expect 250 back in return?
Host 3 (Ocho)
Hold on.
Host 1
What?
Host 3 (Ocho)
What happened?
Host 1
Dang, you.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Are you Don King, boy?
Host 1
Hey, you.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Are you Don King with it?
Host 1
Labias say this is what labels, bro wants to spar and that's fine, bro. We can spar if that's what you want to do. Let's practice and for sure a million dollar bet. But we run rounds until a person then quits. No need for your judges cameras on for sure. No need to hide from the public. Just want to see this logo. Responded 10 hours glove, no headgear. 3 minute rounds until someone quit. Next weekend, $1 million bet money in escrow. No judges. You choose the referees down for boxing or mma, just let me know. Deal. We have a contract drawn up and sent.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I like it.
Host 1
Nah, we want to see this.
Host 3 (Ocho)
So. But they don't want no cameras, huh?
Host 1
I don't know. But my. My problem. Look, I think Logan Paul's a phenomenal athlete. I think the wrestling and stuff and what he and his brother has been able to do in the YouTube space and to be able to create content and made themselves wealthy beyond expectation. But you don't get credit for fighting somebody that doesn't fight. I mean, how much do you weigh? 175? 180? Go fight Benavidez. Go fight Bella bf.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Come on.
Host 1
But you're not no fighter, Ocho. I don't get Ocho. I don't get credit in my prime for catching on a guy that doesn't play db.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Right, Right.
Host 1
What credit does I get for that? So if you say you're a fighter or you want to fight, you need to fight somebody that fight.
Host 3 (Ocho)
You know, Le'Veon has a. A background in boxing, so that. Yes, that would be. That would be a decent fight for both of them. You know, I agree both are skilled. Both are taking. Taking the craft of. Of getting his serious. Yeah, taking it serious. But the. The. The better beat. Better damn.
Host 1
Better be up.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah. Oh, man. They. He'd kill them.
Host 1
What? What NFL player making 10, 15, 20 million dollars? They're not boxing in their spare time like that.
Host 3 (Ocho)
No.
Host 1
And it's too much for them to risk.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, they would. And you know, honestly, no matter who it is, is what, 1500 players in the NFL. Yeah, they probably. I doubt they make it past two minutes, round one.
Host 1
Oh, for sure.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I doubt. I don't care how. I don't care how.
Host 1
They don't know how to breathe. They don't get in there and try to bounce because they see everybody else bouncing back and forth, and all you
Host 3 (Ocho)
do is burning Energy, it's completely different. Completely different. And you don't. You don't train for that
Host 1
fight, bud.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Not.
Host 1
No, you don't want to see him fight, bud.
Host 3 (Ocho)
No, that's not fair. That's unfair.
Host 1
I think. I think he thought that, you know, because of what he did with Floyd. I don't know how serious Floyd took it or anything like that, but I mean, hey, I watch it. I watch Leon and Logan Paul fight.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, I like it. I like it.
Host 1
So I don't know. But I. I think the thing is he got hurt because Tom Brady called you.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Called him, Called him out his name?
Host 1
No, he said he was cute. He said, you know, you do this cute because he said he wwe, he was a outstanding athlete. Things of that nature, right? And you know, Tom, man, look, sometimes Tom forget that he. Tom Brady, he gave the artist truth
Host 3 (Ocho)
coming from him is sting a little bit now.
Host 1
Yeah, for sure. Because he's like, oh, that's cute. He said, but you're not. You're not. No, not. No, not. Not an athlete. But I think, you know, in the wwe, I mean, you watch him, the way he moves.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Oh, yeah.
Host 1
Oh, he could easily be a full time wwe.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Absolutely.
Host 1
He absolutely could. He's phenomenal in there. And like I said, he and his brothers carved out a nice niche and they. They.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Look,
Host 1
You talk about next weekend? I don't know. Hey, hey, L. Bell, let us know. You're gonna make this happen, man. Call in the nightcap. We want to see what's real, what's. What's cracker lacking and see what's going on. Hell, me and Ocho might come down there. We might come down there and do nightcap live from Puerto Rico.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Puerto Rico.
Host 1
Yeah.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Okay, I like that. That's. That's a short flight for me. Huh? That's about what. How long the flight from.
Host 1
I don't know what port? Port. I don't know how close it is to Miami.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Chad, how far the flight from who
Host 1
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Host 3 (Ocho)
That might be right there. Chad, how long is the flight from Miami to Puerto Rico?
Host 1
What they say two hours.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I'm still chat. Moving slow.
Host 1
It's definitely closer to you.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, it might get. It's definitely. Yeah, Hold on. Oh, it's only one hour. Oh, 45 minutes. Oh, yeah, it's only an hour.
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Host 3 (Ocho)
See that? See Spirit. You see, you see why Spirit is the greatest airline is you see that Spirit take you right there. Puerto rico, less than 150. Come on man. That's what I'm talking about. Whole nightcap team on Spirit.
Host 1
Nah, I won't be on Spirit. I think Delta. Let me see if Delta go to Puerto Rico.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Why would you go on Delta? And you just heard the good deals that Spirit has.
Host 1
My life ain't about no good deals.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Spirit is the only airlines that never had any issues. Now we might have a, we might have a fight or two.
Host 1
Yeah, see they go to the old. As a matter of fact, they go right there. Yep. Delta fly directly to Puerto Rico. Mm, they got cheap flights too.
Host 3 (Ocho)
How much?
Host 1
Delta alliance operates numerous flights to San Juan, Puerto Rico, Atlanta, Boston, Detroit, jfk, Minneapolis. So I would probably have to fly from Vegas to Atlanta. Atlanta to Puerto Rico.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Sound like a lot to me. It's gonna be more than $150.
Host 1
I got some miles. I use my mileage. Nah, you ain't got no miles, Old Spirit.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Oh, I, I, oh, I got miles. I got, I got.
Host 1
They probably write your miles down on a piece of paper on a poster note handed to you. Nah, they got 550 miles.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I got about, on, on Spirit. I probably got maybe, maybe 762, 000 miles. I gotta like a little. Let me check my email. I got about. Should I, should. I should be close to about it.
Host 1
What you fly mainly American Delta.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Well if, if it's me, like for me going somewhere, I'm on spirit now. Work like having to come here, it's American or United, but that's, that's not me buying now. You know, if I'm flying out for work, you know, work, they purchase, you know what they see fit. That's going to get me in on time.
Host 1
Yeah, I'm gonna have to use my mileage. I don't know where I can go to use them though.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Puerto Rico, you know.
Host 1
Damn miles to go to Puerto Rico. I would go, I would go somewhere. I'm going out of the country.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Okay, okay.
Host 1
I'm gonna see type in where
Host 3 (Ocho)
and chat GBT. Where should I go?
Host 1
Where can I go with 1 million?
Host 3 (Ocho)
What mean you? What? Sky miles?
Host 1
Yeah, shoot.
Host 3 (Ocho)
You might want to see. We can go to the doctor. We can go to Mexico.
Host 1
With 1 million frequent flies miles, you can book a multiple around the world trips. First class, 10 to 12 hour flight return. You can go. I could go to Tokyo, London in luxury.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Nah, I'M telling you, two blessed places for you to go. Either we go to Mexico.
Host 1
Ain't gonna damn Mexico. Use my airline miles for no damn Mexico. The hell.
Host 3 (Ocho)
All right, what about we go to Haiti? What, you never been. Hey, you never been to Haiti? Well, Haiti.
Host 1
I ain't never been to Haiti.
Host 3 (Ocho)
It's beautiful out there, huh?
Host 1
You frequent five miles to go to Haiti?
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yes. You got. You want to go places you've never been before, all that exotic stuff.
Host 1
There are a lot of places I ain't never been before.
Host 3 (Ocho)
You've been to Mexico?
Host 1
Yeah.
Host 3 (Ocho)
No, you haven't. I have.
Host 1
We played a game in Mexico.
Host 3 (Ocho)
That's not going to Mexico. That's for work. I'm talking about like. Like going.
Host 1
No, I want to say you've been a lot of places.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Come with me to Mexico. No, like, we. We good. I want to take you to warehouse.
Host 1
Not good.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I want to take you to Sinaloa.
Host 1
No, I only go nowhere.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Guadalajara.
Host 1
Nope. I don't need to go nutter either. I'm gonna fly Qantas. I'm going. I'm gonna fly. I'm gonna fly United Emirates Qantas and Singapore Air.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Where you going?
Host 1
Somewhere where I can fly those.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Nah, that sound like it's too far for me.
Host 1
I can do some. I gotta do some things. Nah. No, but I. I would definitely. I would definitely watch le' Le Veon and Logan Paul fight. I would.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Host 1
For sure.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Absolutely.
Host 1
But I think the one guy, didn't. Some guys. Some guys say he'd come down there and fight him.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Oh, yeah, the lineman. I forgot who was.
Host 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You saw that, too?
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah. Whoever it is, they. Not Dion Dawkins. It was someone else. I can't. I can't remember his name, but he.
Host 1
He.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I saw him on the mitts. I saw him on the mission.
Host 1
He good. He good on the mitts.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Host 1
No, Dion Dawkins was on the mid. That was Dion Dawkins.
Host 3 (Ocho)
It was. It was another player, too, I think.
Host 1
But there's this player here. I think he retired.
Host 3 (Ocho)
You think?
Host 1
Yeah, he said he. He beat hell out Logan and his brother. No, I ain't going. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going. I'm not going any place. That's. That's close. Dubai. You know, we got a whole lot on Dubai.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah.
Host 1
As a matter of fact, somebody was flying to Dubai. I heard they had to turn the plane around.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, dude, I wouldn't be flying in that airspace right now anyway.
Host 1
Hell no.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, listen, I told you the best
Host 1
place to go Ocho ain't no who chat. Does anybody use frequent fly miles to go to Puerto Rico, to go to Mexico, to go to Haiti?
Host 3 (Ocho)
Listen.
Host 1
No, you use buddy passes.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Nah, listen, I'm, I'm trying to get you to have the time of your life where you don't have to go that far. You right there.
Host 1
Every whole objective. I want to go far.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I just want you, I just want you to see my country, man. That's all.
Host 1
Far from the prying eyes,
Nahir Albright
Please.
Host 1
Oh, we got a special guest joining us now. It's time to welcome Nahir Albright. He had a great 10 round bite brought about with Frank Martin that ended in a draw. Did you thought, did you think you had done enough? Well, first of all, thanks for joining us. We really appreciate that. Did you think you did enough to get the win to eke out a, a narrow victory?
Nahir Albright
Yeah, I did. I felt like I definitely pulled it out by like a round or two. I mean, I knew it was a close fight. So you know what I'm saying? Like when they announced it, I was like, all right, I can't be too mad, but I felt like I, I felt like I won.
Host 1
You bucket him early though. You, you, you, you called him early. I thought I was like, damn, he might get old boy up out of here.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah. Hey, obviously I'm sure you watched the fight by now and looking at some of the things you could have done and not allowing it to go to the judges scorecard, I'm sure there will be a rematch. I'm not sure if you guys have talked about it. What things do you do based on what you've seen, watching what you did in the past fight, do you think you need to do in the next one? If one comes about that where it doesn't have to end up in the judges judges scorecard or actually in the judges hands where it won't be a draw and, and it goes in your favor.
Nahir Albright
Yeah, I feel like I started kind of slow. I feel like, you know, if I put pressure on them earlier, you know what I'm saying, I could, I could have definitely got the knockout.
Host 1
Let me ask you a question. What was going on with the mouthpiece? Because I felt that you was giving him an opportunity with the mouthpiece. You stopping to fight and give him a chance to break. I was like, man, bite down on the mouthpiece and keep the pressure on him.
Nahir Albright
I know, yeah. So like I had like a cheap mouthpiece because like my, my, I Had like a Walmart mouthpiece. I had boys.
Host 1
I was gonna say, you went to dicks a mouthpiece, bro.
Nahir Albright
It's a, it was a, it was a Walmart mouthpiece. And it was last minute. My, my other mouthpiece, I had lost it. So I heard up and grabbed the mouthpiece, boyed it down, and I was like, all right, I'mma feel me go fight. And then, yeah, Tim Brown came out. I'm like, damn. You know what I'm saying?
Host 1
What happened to, don't y' all have custom mouthpieces at least? I mean, you get a custom mouthpiece for a couple. For a little or nothing here you get a couple of mile pieces for like 250, 300.
Nahir Albright
I know, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Definitely. In the future fights, I'mma have also,
Host 3 (Ocho)
I have a question at your guys level. I, I, obviously the elite level, when you think about your game plan, going to a fight and saying, well, maybe if I did this, say, let's say you want to say, you know what, maybe if I press him a little bit more, doesn't that put yourself at risk, you know, being able to take chances like that, pressuring the fighter, knowing that he can, he can exchange and punch through punches. Do you, do you ever think about stuff like that? And you, where you started off slow, were you a little bit more cautious because you're not tired yet. Everyone is fresh now.
Nahir Albright
You're right. Like, you know, you definitely got to be strategic and things like that. But it was a lot of openings. Like, when I went back and watched it, it was a lot of openings that I saw, you know, that I could have exploited. So that I'm saying in that aspect, I could have still started early because I saw like, certain openings that I could have did. You know what I'm saying?
Host 1
I don't think you ever feel. I don't really felt that you felt like, like, oh, but he got power. I can't come in here. I mean, you walked in the front door. It wasn't like he hit you with anything that, that really got your attention.
Nahir Albright
Nah, he called me one good shot. Probably like, I think it was round five. It was like towards the end. Yeah, he caught me with a good shot. Feel me? It buzzed me a little bit, but I, I didn't mind that. I'm like, this is my opportunity. So, look, he gonna have to do more than buzz me, and I'm gonna keep coming all night. Like, that's my opportunity. So, hey, it's gonna be what it's gonna be like that's my mindset.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Right. So I. I'm not sure. I don't know if you can tell us, but obviously, superb, superior fight, great performance from you. And with you having a performance like that, I think you should be able to get the fight you want to, especially depending on who you want to call out or who you want to fight. Is there anybody in mind if you don't get a rematch right now with Frank? Is there anybody you'd like to fight next?
Nahir Albright
Yeah, to be honest, I want a world title shot. Like, feel me. Richardson, Hitchens, Shakur, Stevenson, anybody like Gary Russell, like, all the champions. That's in my week.
Host 1
Right.
Nahir Albright
I'm saying I'm trying. Yeah, I'm trying to fight them. I'm ready right now.
Host 1
As Ocho mentioned, you said, okay, those are the guys that you want. So you want those guys. Are you willing to buy. So are you going. Looking to bypass the rematch? I don't know if there's a rematch clause or anything. I don't know if they're. They're clamoring for it. But you say, I want a title fight. So are you looking past a potential rematch in order to move forward?
Nahir Albright
I mean, if the. If the rematch is there, we could run it back because the fans. The fans want to see that. Like, you know me. And I'm saying. I'm trying to. I'm saying entertain the fans and things like that. So I'm gonna get the fans what they want. Feel me, man? Frank could run it back, but if that's not there. Yeah, I would love to fight for a title or, like I said, a title eliminator.
Host 3 (Ocho)
How much time you take off. Take off from the gym before you get back in there? Obviously, you want to give your body a chance to recover for whatever. Now, I'm not saying you're injured, but obviously after a football game, you sore, you banged up. And so when it comes to boxing, after a fight like that, 10 rounds, how much time do you get yourself off to relax, take a vacation before you get back in the groove of things?
Nahir Albright
Yeah, I just take off a week and. And that.
Host 1
That's it.
Nahir Albright
Yeah. But, like, when I come back, though, I'm not, like, going crazy hard.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Okay, okay. Okay.
Nahir Albright
Yeah, I'm going through the motions and stuff like that, but I take off a week where I'm like, I go get a massage, I'm soaking, you know, I'm saying, resting, spending time with my daughter, things like that.
Host 2
Okay.
Host 3 (Ocho)
That's how.
Host 1
So are you after a fight. I mean, obviously, I mean, you're somewhat sore. You don't got punched in your face. You got punched in the arm. You got punched in the chest. So if the sword is. Are you more sore after the fight or, say, maybe the next couple of days?
Nahir Albright
Nah, it take, like, two days to hit you. Like, the first night. First night, you feel it a little bit. You feel me a little, too. But two days later, you feel like a car hits you, bro. I promise you like, you like, Dang, I thought I was good, like, but now, yeah, it sneak up on you, like, definitely, like, two days later, right? Yeah.
Host 1
You familiar with the Davis brother? Do you see yourself in a situation fighting Keyshawn again?
Nahir Albright
Yeah. Yeah. I've been told. Keisha, let's run it again. Like, I've been told he's showing. Let's get it popping. But I don't know. I guess his team, like. Oh, it seemed like his team telling him not to fight me or something like that. I think he want to fight me too, but his team, like, nah, just stop mentioning his name or something.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Hey, it. You know what? We. We always talk about it. Uncle and I. We always talk about it. Obviously, me being a boxing enthusiast, do you think there are too many people in the way where fans want to see certain fights and boxers actually want to make those fights happen, but they have too many people that in the way of great fights actually happening?
Nahir Albright
Oh, yeah.
Host 3 (Ocho)
It seems like the team is in the way of the fans getting the fights that we want to actually see.
Nahir Albright
Yeah, absolutely. It's a lot of, like, business that goes into the boxing world, and it definitely do, like, block mega fights and
Host 3 (Ocho)
stuff like that, Right?
Nahir Albright
Yeah.
Host 1
You notice. If you notice, Ocho, I don't know if you. And you let me know what you think about this. Everybody talks about how they want to fight. Everybody. I fight everybody. Everybody. Until they get the belt, and then they want to pick and choose who they fight. They don't want to fight everybody no more. Everybody says that because it sounds good. Yeah, I fight anybody. Whoever's at 140, who's at 145. 130, 135. I fight anybody the moment they get a belt. Nah, I'm good.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Right.
Host 1
But.
Host 3 (Ocho)
But. But now here, Mr. Albright, isn't it. Doesn't it become a business at that point? Once you do get a belt, whoever you do fight has to make sense from a business perspective and being able to maximize as much as you could, you can make. Because it's called prize fighting for a reason.
Host 2
Yeah.
Host 3 (Ocho)
And once you get that belt, you. You're able to command a little bit more than normal, huh?
Nahir Albright
Nah. Yeah, that's true. Like, you would want to make the mega fights instead of, like, fights that it's not gonna bring in as much money.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Right.
Nahir Albright
But I'm saying, I feel like you gotta. It's like you gotta have. You gotta have it in you also to build a legacy, give the fans what they want to see, too. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I feel like when you fall in love with the sport like, that, that's gonna bring the biggest money. I'm saying when you really. When you take shortcuts and, like, just try to chase the money, I feel like that's. It's going, like, block your blessings for.
Host 1
But, yeah, with that, Andre War said, my legacy is what I leave for my family. That's my legacy.
Nahir Albright
Right.
Host 1
But here's the thing, Ocho. You know how business work.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Host 1
If you don't get to people what they want, soon enough, you'll be out of business. People want to. People. People want to see fights. And if the fights at one, if the fights with you and Keyshawn, or the fights with you and Shakur, or the fights with you, hey, fight. Hey, let's. Let's get it on. Because like you said, Ocho, it's what people want to see. They're going to watch it and people
Host 3 (Ocho)
will pay, for sure. Definitely. Who are your inspirations? Growing up, I'm sure you've been boxing for a very long time. Obviously, watching your performance, you were sharp as hell. You able to fight on the inside, sitting in the pocket. You were able to fight at distance. So you have to have some inspirations that you look at, that you study to be able to perfect your craft and stealing bits and pieces from them and add them to your game.
Nahir Albright
Yeah, for sure. I like Sugar Ray Leonardo. I like Sugar. I like all the sugars. Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Shake Mosley. Like, like filming. They all got that. That explosiveness.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, the smoothness. Yeah.
Nahir Albright
So, yeah, I like. Yeah.
Host 1
Well, I'm sure you've heard the news by now. We're not breaking news to you, but in September, I think September 16th, Floyd Mayweather will take on Pacquiao. Floyd Pacquiao too early prediction what you think of how this thing gonna play out. Both of they're pretty much past their prime. Is what, 48, 49 years of age. Two guys. It's on Netflix. It's gonna be, you know, what you thinking?
Nahir Albright
I'm thinking, I think Floyd gonna Do what Floyd do. I think Floyd gonna leave off right where he left. I think he gonna pick Manny apart. That's my prediction. I think Floyd is a master crack.
Host 1
Like he.
Nahir Albright
He a master at his craft, and he gonna pick up right where he left level.
Host 1
Look, a lot of people said, man, I don't want to see that. I want to see Shakur and. And. And Keyshawn. I want to see Shakur and. And. And Tank or. I want to, you know, I want to see fight like that. Why we got to get guys. We got guys in their 20s that we should be that got belts that we should. We shouldn't have to wait for guys that's in all damn near 50 years old, about to get an ARP car to fight. You said you fight. Hey, hey. The man said. You said you'll fight. Yeah, yeah.
Nahir Albright
Like give me a title shot now. I need a title shot now, feel me?
Host 1
Are you trying to fight? Are you. So when are you looking. When are you. Okay, you just fought last week. So when are you looking to fight again?
Nahir Albright
I think I'm. I'm actually scheduled to fight May 16 on RDR Promotions card. That's my current promoter already our promotions. So it's going to be in Newark at a Prudential Center.
Host 3 (Ocho)
So I don't have.
Nahir Albright
I don't have an opponent right now, but they looking for somebody.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Obviously, if you come off a fight against Frank Martin like that, when you fight again, you know. And you said in May.
Nahir Albright
Yeah, May 16th.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Would a fight like that be a tune up for a bigger fight? Maybe before the end of the year. Do you pick someone of the same caliber as like a Frank Martin?
Nahir Albright
Nah, it's gonna. I think it's gonna be more so of like a tune up to stay sharp.
Host 1
Yeah.
Nahir Albright
Yeah. Just waiting on either, like I said, world title or. Or Frank Martin again. I'm saying my prediction is I think me and Frank Martin gonna end up on the Floyd vs. Pacquiao card. Yeah. 20, 26. I'm putting in the air, me and Frank Martin gonna be on Netflix fighting on the undercard of Floyd and Pacquiao.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I like that. Hey, can you imagine in Vegas, huh? Mr. Albright. Frank Martin. Albright, too, at the. At the Las Vegas. Spear.
Host 1
Spear.
Host 3 (Ocho)
How you say it?
Host 1
Sphere.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Host 1
How many times have you fought? Three times in a year? Because if you fight, you say you got a potential tune up. May 16, and then again, you'll flip it around and do it again on September 16th. Yeah, that'll be your third fight. How many times? And say, the last three, four years. Have you fought three times in a year?
Nahir Albright
All right, you got. Look, you got me there. It been a couple years since I fought, like, feel me consistently like that. But I feel like the more you active is, the sharper you're gonna be, though. So, like, that's working in my favor. Like, so. Yeah, it's never a bad thing.
Host 1
But you remember the guy that you mentioned guys used to fight back in the 70s, 60s, 70s guys used to fight three, four, five times of the year.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah.
Host 2
Yeah.
Nahir Albright
It's the fight, like, every other month. For real.
Host 2
Yeah.
Host 1
But I think the thing is now is that the payday is so big because you weren't making the money like you guys make now. And so you. Now you can fight once or twice and get the money that they were getting, and they'd have to fight six, seven times to make the money that you guys are making fighting once or twice. So I get it if I don't have to take that unnecessary risk by fighting multiple times, three, four times in a year. Because that's Floyd. Floyd normally fights he Cinco de Mayo, and then he fights in the fall.
Host 3 (Ocho)
That's it. Yeah, Yeah, I like it. Where you train at? What. What stage you in?
Nahir Albright
I'm in Jersey.
Host 3 (Ocho)
You write down. You write down the street. You right down the street. I'm about to come down and get some work with you, man.
Nahir Albright
Oh, yeah, for sure, bro. You trying to spar?
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, I mean, I mean, if that's what you want. I only use my jab hand, though.
Nahir Albright
All right.
Host 1
Hey, hey, hey. Don't. I mean, don't. Don't do it too bad. Just hit him in the body. Don't, Don't. Don't mess this up. Don't just hit him in the body. Don't. I mean, and take a little something off it. You ain't got to put that barbie. Don't put that barbecue. So don't put that. That. That barbecue sauce that sweet and sour on it.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Hey, it's good.
Nahir Albright
It's good.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I like chicken nuggets. Huh? Whatever he bring, it's gonna get blocked.
Nahir Albright
Okay.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, we. We good. Yeah, man.
Host 1
Hey, Working well. I want to say congratulations, but that was a great fight. It was a draw. Really? Really. You didn't get the outcome that you wanted.
Nahir Albright
Yeah.
Host 1
You didn't lose. So that's Nahir Albright. Good luck down the road, man. And so hopefully you have another tune. If you have the tune up in May, come back and talk to us.
Host 2
All right.
Nahir Albright
For sure. Can I. Can I sing a song for the ladies on this joint?
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on. Sing that thing like you know I sing, too. We could do it.
Nahir Albright
Yeah.
Host 2
All right.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I'm gonna let you go. Go ahead, go ahead.
Nahir Albright
All right. Ready? We belong together and I know that I'm right Why do you play with my heart? Why do you play with my mind? Said we be forever Said we never die how could you love me and leave me and never say goodbye? All the week up to the end of the road Still I can't, lady, go. It's unnatural. You belong to me, I belong to you.
Host 1
All right. Thank you, bro. Appreciate that.
Host 3 (Ocho)
I appreciate y'. All. Hey, but you got. You got pipes on your butt, huh? All right. Yeah. Yeah.
Nahir Albright
One last thing. Shout out to my little brother, man. He next up, too. Isaiah Johnson. He is softball, man. Y' all gonna. Y' all gonna see him. And my cousin Quadir Albright, another knockout artist on the way. Y' all gonna hear about him.
Host 3 (Ocho)
Yes, sir.
Host 1
Appreciate it, man. Thank you, brother.
Host 2
All right.
Nahir Albright
Appreciate y'.
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This episode dives deep into the latest in the world of boxing, featuring lively interviews with rising stars Ryan Garcia and Nahir Albright. The hosts also dissect Garcia’s recent WBC welterweight championship win over Mario Barrios, debate fight business and boxer legacy, break down another title fight, and react to Logan Paul calling out NFL players for million-dollar boxing matches.
The tone is energetic, conversational, and playful, with hosts mixing sharp boxing insight and locker-room banter.
[03:18 – 17:55]
“If anything, I think it gives me advantage, you know, I know... exactly how it trains. I know it ain’t what I’m doing.” (Garcia, 04:39)
“I’m really interested in the Shakur fight... those are the type of fights that you’ll see the best out of me.” (Garcia, 06:40)
“My whole career has been like that... I get some momentum and then all of a sudden, stuff happens and I’m forced to take some time off.” (Garcia, 07:48)
“That’s key with me... in boxing, that’s what it’s about. You gotta be active.” (Garcia, 08:41)
“If you agree to the sanctioning fee, I guess we should know where our money's going... if it's going to a good cause... retired fighters, like they say” (Garcia, 11:17)
“I didn’t treat my body like a temple... thought I could just keep on doing stupid things and my talent would take care of everything. But those stuff catch up to you and God humbled me in a real way. It’s all about being disciplined.” (Garcia, 12:20)
“I was in self-destruction mode... cleaning my lifestyle, making those changes in my life, and shifting my eyes towards God, and that’s really what did it for me.” (Garcia, 14:31; 15:20-16:24)
“To represent what a champion really is, I don’t think I was ready to do that... Now, when I get that title, I’m gonna hold it proudly, and I’m gonna kick ass. And we’re not running from no smoke as the champion. I promise you that.” (Garcia, 16:47)
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[22:22 – 34:44]
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[36:44 – 39:21]
[43:28 – 44:36]
“You take time off, it's hard to come back. Tyson was never the same fighter... In order to be good at it, you got to stay good. You got to stay active.” (Sharpe, 40:59-41:16)
[47:18 – 51:51]
“That includes you, Le'Veon Bell... No headgear. 3 minute rounds until someone quits. Next weekend, $1 million bet, money in escrow.” (Logan/Host, 48:07–49:14)
“But you don't get credit for fighting somebody that doesn't fight. I don't get credit in my prime for catching on a guy that doesn't play DB... you want to fight, you need to fight somebody that fights.” (Sharpe, 49:50)
[61:40 – 77:53]
“I definitely pulled it out by like a round or two... It was a close fight, but I felt like I won.” (Albright, 62:03)
“I had like a cheap mouthpiece... a Walmart mouthpiece. My other mouthpiece, I had lost it.” (Albright, 63:13)
“I think me and Frank Martin gonna end up on the Floyd vs. Pacquiao card... in Vegas, at the Sphere.” (Albright, 73:15)
“You gotta have it in you also to build a legacy, give the fans what they want...” (Albright, 69:38)
If you follow boxing or sports culture and want a blend of fight hype, honest fighter stories, and sharp host commentary, this episode delivers. The candor and humor of Unc & Ocho, plus real talk from Garcia and Albright, make it not just an analysis but a celebration of boxing's present and future.