Best of NBA News Part 1: Lakers OFFSEASON moves + Draymond vs Barkley ... Again?! + Building a franchise around one WNBA player

Summary

Nightcap – Best of NBA News Part 1: Lakers Offseason Moves, Draymond vs. Barkley, and Building a WNBA Franchise

Podcast: Nightcap
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc/Joe") & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho")
Date: May 17, 2026
Episode Theme: Unfiltered takes and in-depth reactions to the biggest moments in NBA news—focusing on the Lakers' challenging offseason, Draymond Green reigniting his feud with Charles Barkley, and a spirited debate on which WNBA player you’d start a franchise around.

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Episode Overview

Shannon and Ocho dive into the Lakers’ ongoing offseason drama, dissect the latest Draymond Green-Charles Barkley spat, and break down who truly is the best franchise cornerstone in the WNBA. The conversation is full of nostalgia, expert analysis, blunt honesty, and signature playful banter, giving listeners immediate context and seasoned perspective on headline sports stories.

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Lakers Offseason: Where Do They Go From Here?

Lakers' Roster Instability and Superstar Dynamics

[01:24 – 17:15]

• Luka's Priorities:
  Luka Doncic reportedly does not want the Lakers to trade Austin Reaves for Giannis Antetokounmpo, preferring a balanced roster around himself and Reaves. There’s organizational uncertainty about giving LeBron James top-priority status in constructing the new team.

  • "It's amazing how they want to build a team around Luka. But when LeBron asked for certain things, they never did that." — Shannon, [04:52]

• LeBron’s Future:
  Speculation abounds about whether LeBron will return or look elsewhere. Consensus is he’s not in a hurry to commit. LeBron is acknowledged as a team legend but may be weighing the Lakers' moves before re-signing.

  • "He ain’t coming back. He ain’t ever going be in no rush." — Ocho, [05:24]
  • "He playing on the team with his son, building a 40, 50 million dollar house, man." — Unc, [05:46]

• Roster Gaps and Fit Concerns:
  Panel notes the Lakers lack defenders and depth, especially compared to top Western teams (OKC, Dallas). Debate on whether Luka and Giannis could even coexist.

  • "Luka and Giannis, that's not going to work… they both gotta have the ball in their hands." — Unc, [05:47]
  • The recurring theme: Lakers have “too many pieces” to replace and no clear path to title contention.

• Austin Reaves’ Rapid Rise:
  High praise for Reaves’ development from undrafted free agent to near All-Star production—another debate about whether he’s worthy of a max contract and his priority in team-building.

Memorable Segment: Who Makes the Lakers Click?

[28:57 – 31:14]

• Shannon traps Ocho and chat participants with debate tactics, making a point about LeBron still being the best performer for the Lakers in the playoffs at 41.
  • “Who led the Lakers in points, rebounds, assists? A 41 year old outplayed 25, 26, 27 year olds. Something ain’t right!” — Shannon, [29:49]

Commentary on Lakers’ Executive Mistakes

[09:15 – 16:35]

• Strong criticism of Lakers’ management track record: terrible free agent choices, breaking up winning rosters, and questionable draft picks (mentions Caruso, KCP, and others).
  • “If Rob Pelinka was not Kobe's agent, does he have that job? No, sir.” — Shannon, [10:00]
• Lakers’ lack of a true developmental culture compared to “Heat Culture” and Golden State’s structure.

Western Conference Landscape

[17:37 – 18:01]

• Hosts agree OKC and San Antonio are positioned to get better, increasing pressure on the Lakers to adapt or face an even tougher road.

LeBron’s Potential New Destinations

[25:00 – 26:54]

• Banter about New York being a viable LeBron destination, leveraging off-court opportunities to make up for a lower salary.
  • “I got one place he can go … New York.” — Uncle Joe, [25:07]
  • Ocho skeptical LeBron would take a “discount,” highlighting the business side of player moves.

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Draymond vs. Barkley: Rings vs. Legacy

[36:54 – 41:11]

The Exchange and Its Fallout

• Draymond Green snaps back at Charles Barkley, saying, “The goal is just not look like you in the Houston Rockets uniform.” — recap by Joe, [36:54].

• Barkley’s legacy is analyzed and forcefully defended—emphasizing career stats, dominance, and longevity.

  • “People just see Chuck on Inside the NBA, right? They don't realize how great he was.” — Joe, [37:15]

• Ernie Johnson calls out Draymond’s turnover stats; the conversation turns to the pitfalls of equating rings with individual greatness.

  • “Draymond ain’t a better basketball player than Charles Barkley.” — Joe, [38:33]
  • Ocho and Unc list Barkley’s achievements and size, noting, “22 points and 12 rebounds for a career—16 seasons. That’s pretty good.” — Joe, [40:02]

• Hosts bemoan modern debates that overly elevate “rings” in legacy conversations, underscoring skill, impact, and era.

  • “There are guys that doesn’t have rings… and then we're taking guys that have rings and say, well, they better. No, they're not.” — Joe, [41:07]

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Building a WNBA Franchise: Who is the No. 1 Pick?

[44:44 – 48:37]

Survey Results and the Debate

• 2026 GM survey shifts from Caitlin Clark/Paige Bueckers to multiple contenders, but Shannon and Ocho are unanimous:

  • "I'm not taking a woman over Asia Wilson… there has not been a woman in the WNBA that has the total package that Asia Wilson has." — Joe, [45:19, 45:42]

• Ocho: “If you gotta Asia, that’s who you starting your offense with… I’m definitely starting my damn team with Asia.” [46:53]

• Discussion reiterates her scoring, rebounding, DPOY awards, championships, and complete two-way game, placing her above other all-time greats like Candace Parker, Diana Taurasi, or Maya Moore.

WNBA’s Growth and Cultural Shifts

[49:30 – 50:20]

• High optimism for the league’s future, including major salary gains keeping stars stateside:
  • “These girls, the money is going to be flowing now. They’re not going to have to go overseas… Asia Wilson is as good a WNBA player as I've seen.” — Joe, [50:06]

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Locker Room Leadership, Doc Rivers’ Bucks, & Miles Turner’s Bombshell

[56:52 – 76:48]

Team Discipline: Bucks’ Culture Crisis

• Miles Turner shares—then rapidly deletes—a story detailing how Doc Rivers refused to fine players, resulting in rampant tardiness, with Giannis frequently showing up hours late to flights.
  • "Doc didn’t fine anybody. … Giannis is going to show up whenever he wants. … It was one of the craziest things I personally ever experienced." — Miles Turner (clip relayed by hosts), [57:17]

Reflecting on Leadership & Culture

• Shannon and Ocho are stunned, discussing how this violates unwritten rules about keeping locker room business private:

  • "Stuff like that, supposed to stay in house." — Uncle Joe, [58:23]
  • "If the animals runnin’ the zoo, how the hell we gonna keep everything in order?" — Ocho, [60:12]

• Discussion on how NBA's "FU money" and player power have changed discipline compared to their NFL experiences, where being late could mean getting left by the team.

• Leadership sets the tone: Best players should be first in, last out, setting examples for younger players.

  • "You want your best players to be your hardest workers." — Joe, [62:53]

• Fallout for Miles Turner:

  • "How are other NBA players gonna look at Miles Turner?" — Uncle Joe, [68:21]
  • Parallels to past locker-room “snitching” scandals (e.g., Swaggy P).

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Asia Wilson’s Historic Performance & WNBA Legends

[85:33 – 88:46]

• Asia Wilson’s recent monster game: 45 points on 15-of-18 shooting, perfect from three and from the line. She’s compared to all the legends in WNBA history, with heavy consensus she’s likely the GOAT by the end of her career.

  • "It's gonna be hard if she's not already the GOAT at 30 years old and what she's accomplished..." — Joe, [86:54]

• Nostalgic shoutouts to Cheryl Miller, Maya Moore, Candace Parker, and other pioneers; longing for what could have been if the league launched sooner.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Lakers’ perpetual dysfunction:
  "You win the championship, he breaks the team up. Why would you ever get rid of Caruso? ... For the life of me, Joe, you remember when they was in the bubble, what did [coaches] say about Russ? Let him shoot. The next year, what’d they do? They go sign him. Make it make sense!" — Shannon, [09:17]

• On star culture and accountability:
  "That's the problem. You don't think Tom Brady had privileges? ... The part about being a great player is to have privileges and don't abuse them." — Joe, [72:39]

• On player-first NBA culture:
  "If your head coach doesn't command or demand respect, bro, the players will try and run over you." — Ocho, [66:39]

• On WNBA progress:
  "They [players] making big time money now, Asia... they're not going to have to go overseas. It's good, WNBA player as I've seen." — Joe, [50:06]

• On Miles Turner calling out Giannis:
  "When you know you about to leave a relationship, you go and come as you please." — Joe, [69:29]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:24] — Lakers offseason rumors & Luka’s influence
• [08:15] — How many more pieces do the Lakers need?
• [09:15] — Track record of Lakers’ management blunders
• [14:06] — On LeBron’s pending departure and legacy
• [25:00] — Potential teams if LeBron leaves
• [36:54] — Draymond vs. Barkley argument
• [44:44] — “If you could build an WNBA franchise…” (Asia Wilson debate)
• [56:52] — Miles Turner exposes Bucks’ team discipline issues
• [66:39] — Respect in the locker room: why players push boundaries
• [85:33] — Asia Wilson’s game and legacy compared to all-time greats

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Summary Takeaways

• Lakers’ future is hazy, with internal confusion, star politics, and open skepticism about the front office’s ability to build a contender.
• Draymond vs. Barkley shows how the “rings culture” can warp basketball debates, but legacy is about much more than hardware.
• Asia Wilson stands out as the clear WNBA franchise player, praised for her unprecedented combination of scoring, rebounding, and defense.
• Locker room leadership and discipline remain critical, and the modern NBA’s power dynamics present unique challenges in managing superstars versus the old-school NFL model.
• The episode is packed with candid insight, humorous debate, and deep respect for the game's greats, old and new.

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For listeners and NBA/WNBA fans alike, this Nightcap episode is a masterclass in sports talk—mixing humor, real talk, and high-level basketball intellect.

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[Ocho]

Oh, I don't know. We in some scary hours now because hey, it didn't sound like hell they was going to make it a priority to bring Brian back.

[Joe]

No. Well we knew that. That's why they didn't. That's why they didn't. They didn't extend him. You remember this the last year? I mean think about it. Normally when LeBron plays on a one year, it's because he wants to. Yeah, because normally what do they do? Tear it up? Give him a year and another player a year. So normally he's on a two, two year, three year deal. Deal. Yeah, that ain't what they did this year. But it's amazing to me it's amazing how they want to build a team around luka. But when LeBron asked for certain things, they never did that. I did a joke. You noticed that. Okay, my bad. I'm sorry.

[Ocho]

Listen, hold up, though.

[Joe]

I'm speaking out of turn.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Hold up, though. Here's what might be happening. They may construct a roster and still, you know, obviously be able to, you know, add Braun, but I think Braun wants to see them probably make some moves before he commit right away. He ain't coming back. He ain't never gonna be in no rush. Ocho, you can't say he ain't coming back. The man, man, he playing. He on the team with his son then building a 40, 50 million dollar house, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Come on, Joe. He not coming back. Joe, let's, let's, let's get this right, right? Let's understand the way the Lakers are constructed, right? How many pieces are they away from winning the championship? Think about it. Lucas said he don't want Giannis. We know why he don't want Giannis. Even I have a better understanding of the game that Giannis has to have the ball in his hands. Luka has to have the ball in his hands. Luka and Giannis, that's not going to work. Why does he want Reaves? He and Reaves work well together. They work very well together. LeBron works well as well because now he diverts himself to being the third option and he had nobody inserting himself in it. He had no problem inserting himself in games when need be. Let Luka do what he does. Let Reed do what he does. Still they have nobody that can defend. They have no defenders outside of Marcus Smart, deandre Ayton. I mean no disrespect to Young Bull, but he hasn't lived.

[Joe]

You mean the, the abomination? Oh, my bad, my bad.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, but they need too many pieces.

[Joe]

Oh, my bad, Joe. I mean, you talking about the big hallucination. Oh, my bad. I'm sorry, Ojo. Go ahead.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, listen, Joe, whatever you want to, whatever you want to call him, they need too many pieces in his. In his. And there's not enough players that they didn't get right now, this year or next year, all of a sudden we're going to come in and be able to compete with other teams in the West.

[Ocho]

Damn, Ojo, they were just missing the top score of Luka.

[Joe]

Okay?

[Ocho]

Since Luka asking for all this. Damn. Can he stay healthy enough throughout the post season so we can see what we really got?

[Uncle Joe]

You know, what it was going to

[Joe]

look like regardless what you mean, Joe,

[Uncle Joe]

if Luka was hurt, you, they still, they made would. They might have won what, one game?

[Ocho]

We don't know, Ocho. He the leading scorer in the NBA. We don't know. He's played well against them type of teams, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, he knocked him out. Him and Kyrie. That's how they got to the finals.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, man, him and who?

[Joe]

Him and Kyrie.

[Uncle Joe]

Ain't no Kyrie on the Lakers.

[Ocho]

Come on, bro. You got Bruin and Austin Reaves. We don't know, bro. We don't really know.

[Uncle Joe]

I like the way you being naive, Joe.

[Ocho]

No, I think they do need another piece or two, but, damn, they gotta stay healthy, bro. This is why we say not only do you want to be clicking in April going into the post season, but you need your guys to be healthy as well, bro. Hell, if you ain't healthy, it don't. I mean, look, bro, we got people playing out of position.

[Joe]

Yeah, it is. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

So.

[Ocho]

So hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

Let me. Let me. Let me get this correct before you go, Joe. Are you saying if Luca paid, if Luka played, if Luka was healthy, that this series with the Thunder would have went? Would have. Would have been different?

[Ocho]

Could be, man. Hell, they missing an all star over there for OKC and Jalen Williams. So if you got Luca and he giving you 30 a night. 30 plus a night. You know, Brian giving you anywhere from 18 to 24 a night. Ar giving you his 22. And Rui out here shooting the blood out that thing, huh? I don't know, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

We ain't playing two kids. This ain't NBA 2K, Joe. This is real life. We talk about reality. I'm just saying, bro, a healthy Lakers team is not beating the Thunder. They might win a game, maybe one or maybe two, if that. And if they win two, it's only because the NBA and the refs colluding

[Joe]

so they can pay the bills.

[Uncle Joe]

That's it. Let's be realistic.

[Ocho]

Hey, stop putting smud on our name, bro.

[Joe]

Think about it. They win the championship, and he breaks the team up. Why would you ever get rid of Caruso? Yeah, you need three and D, guys. He talking about the team that Luca had around him in. In. In. In Dallas.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What did he have, Joe? Guys that could defend. He had two scores. Guys that could defend and shoot the three. He had Washington. But Gaffer. What was Gaffer? Rebounding. Live threat.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

Lively. What was He? Rebound?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

P.J. washington. Three.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then you had Kyrie and him. But that's not what. That's not what. What you call him did. He wanted to break it up. What I don't understand. For the Life of me, Joe, you remember when they was in the bubble, what did. And somebody said, what's y' all game plan for Russ? Let him shoot. Yeah, they said, let him shoot. And then the next year, what they do, they go sign. They got it. They said, we gonna let him shoot. Make it make sense. Now. See, now y' all done pissed me off. Let's be all the way real. If Rob Pelinka was not Kobe's agent, does he have that job? No, sir, but y' all don't want to talk about that. All you want to talk about. Well, LeBron got his son on his team. LeBron handpicked this. Let's have a real conversation. I got time today.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What about them pigs? What about Serafino Hood? Hood. What is Serafino Hood? Where is he? He was your first round pick a couple of years ago. Where is he, Joe?

[Ocho]

No, I have no clue, bro.

[Joe]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

Out of Indiana. Yeah, you're right.

[Joe]

Okay, I'm just checking. You had defenders, you had Javale. You had Dwight Howard. You not paying them $30 million. You break it up just because. And get what say, you know what? I think we'll be better if we have Carmelo. And Carmelo is a phenomenal player. He's a phenomenal offensive player. But Carmelo was old and he couldn't defend. Russ has never been known as the defender, and he couldn't shoot. I give you a prime example. I remember the one time I really got upset at Mike. In 1999, we played against D.C. dale Carter his whole career in Kansas City. We would come in there on a Wednesday and say, you know what, guys? He's gonna do something to cost his team. He's gonna get a penalty. He's gonna get sneaky, gonna get lazy with his eyes, and he gonna give us a big play. What did Mike do in 1999? Go sign the very guy said, we need to stay away from because. But y' all don't want to talk about Rob. Oh, y' all talk about. Hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What about Magic? Do y' all really know? Y' all see, I got time today. I got a little bit of time on my head today. Cause, you know, I've been busy. Had to get up early this morning, shoot a pod, jump on a flight, had to come down ass, said, we gotta shoot. I said, no, I gotta take a shower. I got smelling like get back right now. So I gotta get in the shower. I gotta get that up off me. Hey, ain't nobody asked why Magic Johnson quit. Why? He just quit up and quit. Him and Jeanne's sister. Brothers sisters. They like brothers sisters. Oh, they wanted Luke Walton. You know what? Y' all keep Luke. I'm up out of here.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

LeBron wanted Ty Lue. The man won a championship. Coached unbelievable. Nah, we gonna keep. We gonna. We gonna keep Luke Walton. Man, but you see what Luke did with Golden State. I could have coached Golden State with Steph, kd, Draymond and Clay. Who the hell couldn't coach them to a championship? How you look with the Lakers? How I look with Sacramento?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay, so he wanted that. So he wanted. He wanted to do that. I ain't got no. Hey, that's what you want. But now you want to make all these things you want to get. Exactly. But I'm going to tell you what's going to happen. And. And y' all know, Luka, one of my favorite players. You're not winning. Name a time you got a backcourt that's defensively challenged that you won a championship with.

[Ocho]

It ain't one boy name.

[Joe]

Think about it. What did they say when they played Luca? We want Luca to guard, so we gonna put him in the pick and roll. As great as he is offensively, when you see the clutch situation, last five minutes game. What happened, Officer Reed, last night? What did they do every time they wanted a basket? AJ Mitchell or shape, whoever he's guarding, bring him to me. I need to see him. Y' all watch the game?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It's gonna be very, very interesting. You better get some guys that can defend whether LeBron is there or not. I'm ready for LeBron to leave. I really am. Because they. All they do is blame him. Because all I know, they didn't from their Last championship was 2010, and the next one they won was 2020 in the pandemic. Nobody once Kobe retired. Because you got to realize Kobe was hurt his last couple years. Kobe was shooting under 40% his last couple years. Nobody was even talking about the Lakers until LeBron went there. And you didn't have to recruit him. He went on his own. Hey, I want him to leave. And I want to see how many championships. Because if you think about it, Joe, let me tell you something. You've never heard about the Lakers. The Lakers, how many championship they won? A lot. Now, the Heat. The Heat had one championship. And what do they sell you before they got any more championships? Heat culture. Yeah, you hear? Golden State. You mean to tell me a team that got 17 championship ain't got no culture? Huh? I'm looking for something. Joe coming out now. Who they developed? Kareem wasn't there. Shaq. You didn't drag Sha out. Shaq. When last time they developed a player.

[Ocho]

I see where you going.

[Joe]

Hey, but they try. Oh, boy. Rob, Rob, Rob. Think about. Okay. You hot. You didn't. You wanted Luke. So Magic says, I'm up out of here the next year later, you lose Ty.

[Ocho]

Luke.

[Joe]

Now you go get Vogel. Guess who his backcourt was? Two of the smartest people to ever play in the NBA. LeBron James and Rajon Rondo.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What y' all want to run? What y' all want to run? I ain't gonna get up, get sweaty. My knees hurting tonight. Hey, Braun. Rondo. My knees and my back hurt. I'm sitting down tonight. Hell that. Okay. You know what? Frank Bowen's afraid to have a dial year. LeBron get hurt. They get swept. I think the Suns. Then you get Darvin. Ha. I just want to know what y' all gonna do. I'm anxious to see because I'm a Luca fan. I'm an Austin Reeves fan. Austin Reeves story. It should be a documentary.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes.

[Joe]

For a guy to come out that's an undrafted free agent to average 7 points, 9 points, 13 points. I mean, 19 points, 23 points. It should be studied. Just go. To show you what you can do when you put your mind to it and you put the work in. A lot of it has to do with Joe. Sometimes, you know, you gotta go to the right situation. Yeah, he went to the right situation.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He spoke in glowing terms how LeBron took him under his wing. It didn't have to, but I'm. I'm gonna be watching. I'm gonna be watching now. I'm gonna need to see some championship Laker fans. I want to see some championships. And in the next five years, I need to see some championship Lakers.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay, now you said next five years. Now that makes much more sense, because what they need is I'm giving them grace.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. You want me to be. You want me to be more generous? I say 10.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah. Hey, hey, man.

[Ocho]

They got. They got the. They gotta take a real look at, you know, some roster changes just in order to get you to where I'm talking about.

[Joe]

In the next five years, will OKC be better or worse than what they are right now, Joe?

[Ocho]

They gonna be. They're probably gonna be better or the same.

[Joe]

Okay. In the next five years, San Antonio, they're going to be better or worse than what they are right now, Joe. Better. Well, damn. So either they need to move to the Eastern Conference or the Lakers need to step their game up. Now, one of the two need to happen.

[Ocho]

You better figure it out. Oh, we.

[Joe]

The problem was, and I don't know if LeBron really, really factored this in. It's kind of like the situation where you don't fully evaluate the situation. We go in and we drop a couple of bombs on Iran and what, what's the worst they can do where they can shut that thing down and you'll make it hell on you? Hmm.

[Ocho]

Hmm.

[Joe]

LeBron.

[Ocho]

Let's see.

[Joe]

I'm not really homegrown. I've been their most beloved and cherished players. Chief rivalry for a decade plus. How am I going to feel? How are they going to feel if I come in? Because people minds are warped. See, they don't. They like, well, he trying to erase Kobe's legacy. How you erase somebody's legacy? Kobe's already done what he did, right? He's trying to enhance the Lakers, make the Lakers relevant. No matter what you think Lakers wasn't on TV like they were when they had all them guys and they were celebrating and hitting, doing all kind of crazy stuff. Don't nobody talk about the Lakers. Go back when last time. We hadn't talked about the Lakers since KOBE'S what, that 60 point game? We didn't talk about the Lakers before and we hadn't talked about them since until 1:23 showed up.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Joe]

Caruso. $9 million a year. That's what the Bulls offered him. Nah, we ain't gonna match that. A guy that's 3 and D, outstanding defender and can knock down shots. Remember he made three big threes last night.

[Uncle Joe]

Last night.

[Joe]

Yeah, and he played outstanding and he plays outstanding defense. That's what he's known for. I mean, you had him and kcp. But you know what they say. You know what? We don't want to leave Tucker, Taylor, Horton, Tucker. We don't want to lose him, Joe. So we're gonna give him three years, 32 million. And now where is he currently?

[Ocho]

He overseas somewhere.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So LeBron James is a free agent. Austin Reeves has a player option. Rui is a free agent. DeAndre 8 player option. Marcus Smart player option. Luke Canard, free. Jackson Hayes, free. Maxi Cleaver, free.

[Ocho]

You want to bring a couple of them guys back? Try and bring a couple of guys back?

[Joe]

Well, Rui definitely should be. You should definitely should try to bring Rui back. You definitely should bring Roy back.

[Uncle Joe]

That's it.

[Joe]

No, I'M saying that. Look, I mean, I. I didn't know how many guys you can bring back. Austin Reed's gonna. Austin Reed's gonna opt out of that.

[Ocho]

I think that's. That's gonna be. I think that's gonna determine a lot. Ar. Is he gonna get. Is he gonna get a max deal or is he gonna get somewhere close to a max? Or. Or is he gonna take somewhat of a generous discount? Because if he take two, if he take 250. Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah. That's a big chunk of the pie.

[Joe]

Yo, they. Cause if you look. Look at that group. The only guy in that group that can defend is Marcus Smart.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

He's the only guy to confess. I thought he did a great job on Shade last night. Yeah, he got his buckets, but he made. He made him work for it.

[Ocho]

Yeah. When you talk about four series. When you talk about four series. I thought he done a hell of a job, if you ask me.

[Joe]

You.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, you Garden, you go. And arguably the best player in the game right now, who's probably going to be the mvp. Listen, out of four games, bro, he got. Yeah, he had one game to where he was.

[Joe]

Him. He went off.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you gotta live with that.

[Joe]

Somebody told me you lied. Lakers went on t. I don't remember Lakers being on TV when Kobe. When co. I don't remember them on being on TV because Kobe was hurt. You're a lie. Like, it wasn't on tv, but I tell you who was on tv. The Cleveland Cavaliers. Oh, yeah, and the Golden State Warriors. The Boston Celtics, when they had them young guys coming up. Tatum and Brown. Smart. Al Horford. I can tell you who was on tv. You can say. You see, it's easy to say that now. Cause LeBron there. They're gonna be on TV after LeBron leaves. Cause Luke is there. But you a lie. You a lie. They weren't on tv. Yeah, they were in LA market, but they weren't broadcast nationally. Don't do that.

[Uncle Joe]

The product with the product wasn't the same.

[Joe]

No, it was. It wasn't. It wasn't. The Laker. LA is predicated on winning. Yep, it's predicated on winning. So if you don't win, what do we. Ocho Joe? We know because we have the luxury of being able to go where we want to go. There's too much going on in LA for. For you to go sit in a building when you got. You can sit on rooftops, you can sit on decks, you can go to the beach. And I'm Gonna go sit somewhere where they losing. And I could be up in Malibu. I could be on Venice.

[Uncle Joe]

I could be at Newport, Santa Monica Pier. Too much to do.

[Joe]

It takes a lot to. Boy. But it's amazing how we remember things. It's. You know, sometimes our memory is what we want it to be. You know, we can go back and look at things and what's the first thing they say? Guys, I don't quite remember it like that. I bet you don't. I bet you don't. But we gonna find out. Yeah, we about to find out.

[Ocho]

We are.

[Joe]

I hope that. Look, Luca, Luca, my guy. I'm gonna root for it. I rooted for him when he was in Dallas. It was great when he came to the Lakers. Cause LeBron was there. I root for Luca, but I'm a LeBron fan. I ain't make no secret about that. I've been a LeBron fan.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. So. But do you really feel, you really think it's a great chance he going somewhere else, though?

[Joe]

Yes, you do.

[Uncle Joe]

I told you, Joe. I said that. What? That last night show. What show that was. I said that?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I said. I'm telling. I'm telling.

[Joe]

It's just hard. It's just hard. Joe and Ocho, man, come on now. The warriors you've been making, Joe, you've been making 50 million. How long you been making 50 million? And they want to break you off with a little eight piece. You don't have 50. You had been eating 50 nuggets. 50 pieces.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They try to go and get a little six piece. You're like, man, come on now.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on, hold on. Hey, I got. Listen and I got. I got something that could fix that too now.

[Ocho]

What's that? What?

[Uncle Joe]

They want to give him a little six piece. You've been getting 50 all this time, right? I got one place he can go where they can give him that six piece and he can make up that 50 based on where the environment is in.

[Joe]

Huh? Go to New York. Huh?

[Ocho]

Huh? I'm not saying New York wouldn't be a great place, but they still playing and we don't know how they may finish out. So I, you know, that's kind of hard to. Kind of.

[Joe]

Cause they're not going to want to break that. If they. Let's just say for the sake of argument, they go to and they win the championship, they not gonna be foolish. People break their entire roster up and talk about, oh, we get a big name.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah.

[Joe]

Cause you're gonna have to get off some of Those pieces that make you click.

[Uncle Joe]

Why would you have.

[Joe]

People gonna want. Og. People gonna want Miles Bridges.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Excuse me. Mikhail Bridges.

[Uncle Joe]

LeBron is free. Well, you don't have to give up on. You don't have to give up nothing

[Joe]

but to make the salaries work.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, I just told you he'll take the six piece because he can make more off the court because he's in New York.

[Joe]

LeBron, he said, I can make that. I can make that. Anyway, he.

[Ocho]

I. I can't. Hey, look, Ojo, I know he. I know he would love to win another title, but I don't see that man taking no discount, bro.

[Joe]

I don't.

[Ocho]

I don't. I don't see him taking no.

[Joe]

That kind of haircut. Don't y' all want to, like, fade? You gave me a. You gave me a ball fade. You balled me. You gave me the Kojak.

[Uncle Joe]

But listen, I just. I just gave you the only place, the only place. Maybe the only other place. That's the only place, the only other market where if you do take a discount, you're gonna make a 4 times 10 being in New York anyway.

[Joe]

Well, if that's the case, make up for it in la, too. All of his projects are out there. His production company is out there. The TV shows, the game shows, the movies, the documentaries, man, they not winning nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

They. They need too many pieces.

[Ocho]

No, they just need a couple. They need, like, another piece.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, Joe, come on.

[Ocho]

And they need these guys to stay healthy. Ocho, you can't. We never seen them full strength for real, bro. And when we did. Hey, look, I'm going tell y' all another thing. I listen to Braun press conference. He didn't really sound like he was too. He didn't sound like he was too happy about that Damn, that role he was playing early in the year.

[Joe]

No, you asked me.

[Ocho]

He sound like, you know, I played it. Cause, you know, that was best for the team. But, you know, like he said, man, hell, he hadn't played that role, he said, since high school.

[Joe]

Ever, he said.

[Ocho]

Then he said, ever. Yeah, then he said, ever.

[Joe]

Cause he like, hold on. I get Luka. I get Luka. But how Austin Reeves just pole vault me, he said, I get Luka. That man is 14, 15 years younger. He can score the basketball just like I can. He can rebound the ball just like I can. He can facilitate. I just like I can. Respectfully, how Austin Reaves jumped me, though, it's because I was just an all NBA selection last year. Listen, I was just in the All Star game last year. Luka was first, if I'm not mistaken, Luka was first team all NBA. So I get Luka. I'm not arguing that. But I just want y' all to tell me, how did AR jump me?

[Ocho]

Because, listen, okay, we ain't think AR was gonna come out to shoot blazing like he was the first 20, 25 game. The man was unconscious.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, listen, listen. We know you big dog over here, man. Hey, we need you to kind of just fit in with the guys. Cause we don't want to pull the reins back on ar. We want him to keep going, but we need you to fit in seamlessly. Be that Swiss army knife, you know? You know, keep, keep, keep the morale of the team up and see what you can add and see if you can be value of service to what we trying to build. You know, I don't, I don't, I, I, I thought that, you know, maybe the Lakers thought AR was going to be good, but I ain't think, I don't think they was anticipating that to start the season. Fellas, without Braun on the court, that man was insane. Them first 20, 25 games, he was,

[Uncle Joe]

he was cutting up, boy.

[Joe]

But let me ask you a question. Y' all keep on talking about he 41 and, and ar this and that. Who looked the best in the playoffs against the Thunder? Now be honest. Put your dislike and hate aside. Who look the best against the Thunder?

[Ocho]

Well, listen, listen, listen.

[Joe]

I'm, I'm waiting on the chat to respond. Give me a second. Just a second.

[Ocho]

All right, all right, all right, all right, all right.

[Joe]

Whoa, hold on now. Just a minute ago, I was talking and y' all was just hiding. All this, everything with LeBron, it's coming up. Well, damn, Why y' all so. Slow down. Who led the Lakers in points? Who led the Lakers in rebounds? Who led the Lakers in assist? You mean to tell me a 41 year old outplayed 25, 26, 27 year old. Something ain't right, Joe.

[Ocho]

Well, he got.

[Joe]

My grandma used to say, boy, something in the milk ain't clean. Oh, oh, yeah. Come on now.

[Ocho]

You know, hey, that, you know, that boy different breed now. He a different breed. Brian. You're a different breed.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, everybody talk about Rui.

[Joe]

I told him Rui was the most consistent, but that wasn't one of the questions. You see how they change it? Oh, Joe. Who did I say? I said, who out of Austin, Reeves and LeBron? You see, instead of getting LeBron credit, what they do with you so you had A or B. They say C. But see, what. What are the options? You see how they did it?

[Uncle Joe]

No joke. They switched the narrative. Huh?

[Joe]

See, I see y' all debate for fun. Y' all go debate your homeboy. I'm a professional debater. Yeah, you see how I boxed them in? They didn't even know I boxed it in. But they did what I want them to do, Joe. I wanted them to put Rui to make my point. O joke. You see, that's how you debate. You give them one or two answers, you. And when they give you something else, bam. Drop the hammer. That's how you do it. See, that's how you walk somebody into a trap when you debate. Yeah, and they didn't even know it. They thought they was doing something. Rui. Rui walk you into a trap you didn't even know I had set for you. Now, what were you gonna say, Joe?

[Ocho]

Hell, I forgot what we were talking about.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, I'm. Hey, I'm still. I'm still mad, Joe.

[Joe]

Y' all go ahead and talk about yourself.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on.

[Joe]

I'm gonna go back and pull me a drink.

[Ocho]

All right, Go ahead. What you got, Ocho?

[Uncle Joe]

I'm still. I'm still mad. You. You. You said the goddamn Lakers healthy. Would it be the Thunder? You said, we don't know.

[Ocho]

Listen. What you mean, we don't know?

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, Joe, No, Joe, don't do that. Joe.

[Ocho]

You have elite ball, Ocho. Ojo. I'm not saying they would have beat him, but I still don't think. I damn sure don't think they would have got swept. And what I'm saying is the fact that OKC is down an all star player, probably second leading scorer, man, you don't know how things could. You don't. Hey, look, if Luka would have been in this series, hottest fish, he averaging 40.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, we've seen. We've seen the Thunder without Shay. They ain't miss a beat. We see Shay go to the bench. They still ain't missing a beat, and they still don't have their second leading scorer. They not missing the beat. They have too much depth. It's not happening. I got one for you real quick.

[Ocho]

What you got?

[Uncle Joe]

Knock, knock.

[Ocho]

Who's that?

[Uncle Joe]

OkC.

[Ocho]

OkC who?

[Uncle Joe]

OkC your ass. Later next year.

[Joe]

Lakers.

[Ocho]

Listen, bro, look, I think with the Lakers running. Okc. Yeah, meaning them being the best team in the league, bro. But what they had, I thought they put up a pretty damn good fight. See, the thing is, AR had to catch rhythm throughout the series, Ocho, he. The man had been out over a damn month with this, with this rib thing. So for you to jump right back in the fire against the best team, okay, not only the best team, but the best defensive team. Come on, bro, it's gonna take you a couple games before you really can get back to yourself. If you can get back to yourself. I thought he gave him pretty good I thought he gave him a couple pretty good games considering, you know, what they was fighting up against. But, man, look, if you got Luca, bro, I just think it would have been a different series.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay? All right.

[Ocho]

I think they'll still be playing hell.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay?

[Ocho]

That's my honest opinion, bro. I got.

[Uncle Joe]

I got you. I got you. Hey, listen, you know better than me, man. I'm. Listen, I'm just. I'm learning on the fly.

[Ocho]

That's like, hey, look, think about it. You got the number one scorer in the NBA, okay?

[Joe]

Boom.

[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

playoffs like come on, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, check this out guys. Draymond Green took a shot at Charles Barkley that didn't go over well on inside. Hey, Dre said the goal is just not look like you in the Houston Rockets uniform. Damn. Joe first is blaming Steve Kerr, then Austin river is not disrespecting Chuck on television. What's going on with Draymond? I don't think. See? See? People just see Chuck inside the NBA, right? They don't realize how great he was. They don't.

[Uncle Joe]

Wait, hold on. You don't think Draymond Green understands how good Chuck was even though he didn't win a ring? Hell, even I know how good goddamn Barkley was.

[Joe]

Ernie. Ernie said he stuck up for Chuck, telling Draymond he has 43 games with more turnovers than field goal in the playoffs. He's tied with Kendrick Perkins for the most since 2003. Who Draymond is? Yeah,

[Ocho]

I think Cause, hey, look, Barkley was a hell of a player, and what he said was he didn't want. Yeah, he didn't want to look like how Barkley looked in Houston, but, hell, Barkley made the off, I think, his first year in Houston.

[Joe]

Yeah. Look at. Pull up Barkley's numbers in Houston. People think Barkley. Yeah, he wasn't what he was in Philly. He wasn't what he was in Phoenix.

[Ocho]

Yeah. But he was still a hell of a player.

[Uncle Joe]

And it's. It's hard, too. I don't. I don't like the comparison because Barkley is more of a. Office has an offensive presence as opposed to Draymond. So the comparison isn't even there. It makes no sense to even compare the two.

[Ocho]

But when you look at it, Uncle Ocho, Draymond won four rings, and Barkley ain't never won no rings.

[Uncle Joe]

So he.

[Joe]

But Draymond ain't a better basketball player than Charles Barkley. I agree. In that first year, y' all know what Charles Barkley averaged? 19 points, 13 and a half rebounds. Can I interest you in that?

[Ocho]

13 rebounds is crazy.

[Joe]

At six foot four, five, six and five or six people. Like I said, people don't realize. And let me tell you what happened. And I think Draymond, Everything that he's been able to do, but what people have done, they've allowed rings to be the. To be the end all. Be all. And you're taking guys with rings and say, well, because he has rings, he's better than X.

[Ocho]

No, no, son.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Barkley was like that boy.

[Ocho]

No, sir.

[Joe]

I mean, like I said, people just. Like I said, I. Look, I know Bar. I know Chuck. And people take their shots at him. But go look at his numbers for a career bad boy. Name another guy. No, Barkley wasn't those. Barkley was 6, 4, 2, and 12. How many years he played? 16. Barkley played 16 years. How about this for a career? 22 points and 12 rebounds for a career.

[Ocho]

We a talking about no.

[Joe]

1. 16 seasons.

[Ocho]

He was bad.

[Joe]

That pretty good chat. 22 and 12.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. I can speak for chat. I could do that. I'm serious, man. Cause I remember. I remember. I remember arguably when he was the best player in the league. What was that? 93 when they played the Bulls.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Finals.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Man, if y' all don't do nothing else. Chad, if y' all don't do nothing else, go to YouTube and look up Phoenix Suns versus the Bulls in 93, bro. Now, MJ was a bad boy, you know? Yeah, but I think Barkley did. Barkley went MVP that year.

[Joe]

Yes, he did. He beat Jordan, Bruh.

[Ocho]

The man was unreal out there, the way I. I think not only did he have game, but it was his attitude and his approach, his eyes, like he. He knew. He knew could nobody mess with him. And that's how he went out and played.

[Joe]

Like I said, Matt, look, and. And what we've done. There are guys that doesn't have rings, and then we're taking guys that have rings and say, well, they better. No, they're not.

[Ocho]

No, sir.

[Joe]

No, you're not. We gotta stop this.

[Uncle Joe]

But at that point, it's about understanding the game in general, outside of rings, understanding, you know, players, skill sets, what they meant during the era that they played in, how good they were.

[Joe]

But as opposed to just rings, always having to guard. Think about who he's having to guard at. Six, four. He guarding guys. Six, nine, six, ten. At six foot four.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And holding his own. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I. I think in Draymond's defense, though, Uncle Ocho, y' all know Barkley, he started it. You know, he.

[Joe]

Of course.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he threw it. He threw a slight at Draymond.

[Joe]

He told him. He said, look, it's over for y'. All. Y' all got old.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

He just kept.

[Ocho]

He just kept. Yes, yes.

[Joe]

And, you know, hey, Joe, they have gotten old.

[Ocho]

They have.

[Joe]

He not. Joe. They talk about basketball reference, talking about he's six' six. Charles Barkley ain't no six' six. Charles Barkley. Six' Foe.

[Ocho]

Yeah. About six' four, six' five, maybe.

[Joe]

He not. He might. He not even that nice. He done had that hip replaced and shrunk as you get older, you know, you straight. Yeah, but, man, y'. All. Y' all gotta see. And that's why we get up and say that Zion, because Zion is a more explosive Charles Barkley.

[Ocho]

Yeah, man, we were just talking about this dude today, bro. Zion. How. How the. The talent that he has, and that's just. Hey, that's what we were talking about earlier in the show. You mix that talent with that damn hard work.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes, man.

[Ocho]

That man ain't. Hey, hey, he already can't be guarded, bro. Yeah, he could be a top. He could easily. I'm saying, if his mind was made up, he could easily be a top five player in this league today. Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about Zion.

[Uncle Joe]

Easy.

[Joe]

Can't nobody guard him. But. But I think the thing is, is that back then, those guys. Listen, he Said Moses Malone. He said Moses Malone. Told him, he said, charles, you got two things wrong with you. You fat and you lazy. He said. He said, mo, what I need to do? He say, we're gonna lose 10 pounds. Hey, we ain't gonna lose it all at once.

[Ocho]

As a young guy, bro, coming into a professional sport, that's what you need. You need a veteran guy who gonna keep it 100 with you.

[Joe]

One style.

[Ocho]

Yeah. It ain't gonna let you slide with that bs. Especially when they see how talented you are.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

And they like, look, bro, if you drop 10, 15, 20 pounds, you're gonna be a bad mofo.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I just need you to lock in. And when you got guys like that, bro, that'll take your career to another level.

[Joe]

He said he got him down. He said he got him down. So he lost. He was like 290. Say he got to 280. Say he felt okay, you know, got the felt okay. 270, felt good. 260, say once he got to 250, he just started cutting everybody ass, man. And he wasn't playing.

[Ocho]

He wasn't.

[Joe]

Charles Barkley was explosive. I'm talking about Ella dunking on. Dunking on everybody.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Ain't no way that man's supposed to be able to do a jump like that. And Zion more explosive than that. Now, he can't shoot like Chuck. Cause Chuck. Chuck can shoot.

[Ocho]

Chuck can shoot. But as far as being explosive, having a better handle, he got all. He got all that better than Chuck. But.

[Joe]

And my problem with Zion, Joe, at that size, he got to get more than five, six rebounds a game. He got to be a double double. Yeah, he got to be a double double.

[Ocho]

Too talented, too athletic, too gifted.

[Joe]

Check this out. 2026 GM survey results are out. If you were starting a franchise today and you could sign any player in the WNBA, who would it be? In 2025, it was Caitlin Clark got 50%. Asia Wilson got 33%. In 2026. Paige Beckers get 33. Asia and Caitlyn tied for 20. And Dominique, I think this is the French woman at 13%. I'm gonna say this, Joe. I followed WNBA since it came out in 1996.

[Ocho]

Me, too.

[Joe]

I'm not taking a woman over Asia.

[Ocho]

Asia. No, sir.

[Joe]

No. If you want. If you say, okay, we're scored. Maya Morgan scored like Asia.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

There might. There might have been women that could score like Asia. Cheryl Swoops. Cynthia Cooper.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Lauren Jackson.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay. Rebound. Well, could she rebound like Sylvia Files? Could she rebounds like Leslie? Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Could she play defense? There's not been a woman in the WNBA that has the total package what Asia Wilson has.

[Ocho]

You're absolutely right.

[Joe]

She's led the league in scoring, she's led the league in rebounding. She's a three time defensive player of the year. She's a three time champion, a two time finals mvp, a four. No disrespect and respectfully, Cheryl Swoops. Cynthia Cooper, Lauren Jackson, Lisa Leslie Simone Augustus, Diana Taurasi, Maya Moore, all of them. Watched them all play.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Even in college. I'm taking agent Wilson.

[Ocho]

Me too. Hey. Cause when you look at it, Uncle Ocho, the WNBA is not like the NBA to where you know, the NBA is perimeter oriented. You know, the wnba. If you got you a girl down there who can get something done like Asia, you play inside out, bro.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, it's some girls in the WNBA who can score, but for the most part, if you gotta Asia, that's who you starting your offense with. Hell, she been impeccable. I agree with you. I agree with you. I don't know how she tied for second on this. I'm definitely starting my damn team with Asia.

[Joe]

Now look, if you're trying to sell tickets, you want endorsements, okay. But if you're trying to win, ain't taking nobody over Asia.

[Ocho]

Nah, you crazy. Not right now.

[Joe]

Like I said, I saw them all play. I'm old enough to in college. Breonna Stewart. I ain't taking nobody over Asia.

[Uncle Joe]

No.

[Joe]

Hell, and she should be favored to win the MVP again.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And even though she should have won Back to back MVPs, Defensive Player of the year. Nafisha call you feed. Got her.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Scoring. She can score. She could rebound. She could defend.

[Ocho]

She could pass. She could do everything. She could do everything.

[Joe]

All the Paige beckons is unbelievable.

[Ocho]

She is.

[Joe]

I love y'. All. Hey, I love Caitlin Clark and like I said, Maya Moore. Maya War went to Collins Hills in Georgia.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Knew her career. Lisa Leslie and Coop. Coop was on that. All those teams, those USC teams with the. Cheryl, Cheryl. No, no, no, no, no. Not sure. Yeah, with Cheryl Miller and McGee. Yeah, Pam and Paula McGee. Yeah, she's on that team. Yeah, they won back to back 84. And then Clarissa Davis, that great Texas team.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

With 36. Zero in 1986, beat him.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So I go wave at all of. Like I said, Tina, all of them. I debate anybody on that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I agree.

[Joe]

Candace Parker. I'm taking, I'm taking. Candace is the only One to come in and win rookie of the year and mvp. She was the MVP and rookie of the year in the same season year and she's been a defensive player of the year and she's. Yeah, this girl here is unbelievable. She is brought.

[Ocho]

And.

[Joe]

And like I said, I haven't seen the other. I saw Tarasi play, but to watch her play and man. And they got. Hey, they got. And. And they got Chelsea Gray, they got the point guard and they got Jackie Young. They loaded again.

[Ocho]

Oh, they got a hell of a team though.

[Joe]

They loaded again.

[Ocho]

They got a hell of a team.

[Joe]

I'mma go see them play too. I might go see them opening night. See drop the battle. Get the rings.

[Ocho]

When is that?

[Joe]

Oh, they hold on. They get ready to play. They play Saturday.

[Ocho]

Damn, that's open tonight.

[Joe]

Yeah. Do they play? I think they play open tonight. Ain't. Don't they play Saturday? Opening night.

[Uncle Joe]

Saturday.

[Joe]

Aces play Saturday home, right? Hey, I do better play. I'm going to a game, though. I'm going to a game. I'm gonna see him, huh? Overnight starts tomorrow. Yeah. And look these. Hey, and I'm so glad these girls are making. They making big time money now, Asia. Hey, and he's gonna be making 1.5. These girls, the money is going to be flowing now. They're not going to have to go overseas. They can stay right here, make a good living. They still have the unrivaled league. They can make it even a little bit more money. Man, AJ Wilson is good. It's good WNBA player as I've seen.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, they trending in the right direction. WNBA is, bro. It's going to continue to grow. Hey, look, I told y', all, man, I got a 12 year old. I told her, hell, by the time she 18, another six years, girl, look, them girl gonna be making some real money.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Which player forces the opposing coaches to make the Most adjustments? In 2025, it was Asia Wilson at 33%. Caitlin Clark and Brianna Stewart for 22. And this year coming up, Asia Wilson got 13. Alyssa Thompson, Phoenix, who win the Kia WNBA MVP. Feet, feet. Nafisha Collier was 27%. Asia Wilson 25. Caitlin Clark 20, 26. Asia 60. Brianna Stewart, 27. Now, you know she would have done to be five.

[Ocho]

Hey, Nafisha. Carla Collier, she coming off an injury, ain't she?

[Joe]

Yes. Ankle. I think she messed up an ankle.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. She could play, though. She could play, but.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

I know she got some game, but Asia, I mean, Different.

[Joe]

Which team will win the WNBA Finals in 2025? It was Minnesota going into New York, Indiana and Las Vegas. And then in 2026, who is it going to be? Las Vegas, 40% New York, 33%. Atlanta's been getting a lot of love with Alicia Gray. And now they got Angel Reese. Angel Reese. And they got Ryan Howard.

[Ocho]

So.

[Joe]

Yeah, but man, Asia, like I said, man, she was. Oh, now I used to love the comment. The comment. But the comment, they had Cheryl Sweet because when they first got there, Cheryl was pregnant. Cheryl didn't come right away.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So it was, it was Coop, it was Tina Thompson and one lady. Because they won four straight titles. They weren't the first four. And, and I think, hell, I think Coop might have been the mvp. It might have been the finals. Mvp. All of them. And she was, I think she was the first, you know, in mvp, I think two times. But boy, and she, I mean, you gotta think about it. She was in her 30s.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So just imagine if she'd have got. If they'd had when she was like right out of, fresh out of college. Yeah. But this lefty with Chelsea, Jackie Young and Asia.

[Ocho]

Too much. She got it, fellas.

[Joe]

Man, five MVPs. If she was, this should be a fifth one. And what, did she just turn 30? Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. And you see, she just came out with that A1. That. Yeah, it's nice too.

[Joe]

She's 29. We should be 30. August. Yeah, she'd be, she'd be 30th August.

[Uncle Joe]

What's the A. What's the A1?

[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

Yeah, her shoe. She just came out. She just came out with a shoe with Nike. It's nice,

[Joe]

Joe. I couldn't wait on this.

[Ocho]

Miles Turner.

[Joe]

He peeled back another layer of Milwaukee tumultuous 20, 25, 26 season. On the game recognized game podcast, Turner says Doc didn't find anybody this season despite repeated tardiness. And Giannis was most likely the Bucks players to be late. Let's take a listen to what Miles Turner had to say. We get fined for all types of stuff now.

[Ocho]

You guys could find a lot. It depends on the coach. So Doc Rivers, he didn't find anybody. Guys were late all the time. Guys were, you know, showing up to film whenever they want to show up. Guys were missing meetings. Like, it was one of the craziest things I personally ever experienced. We literally, if the plane took off at 2 o', clock, we weren't leaving till 4:30. I'm being so serious, bro. It was crazy though. Guys are hours late to the plane. It got to the point where I just, I knew not to show up until like an hour it was taken off. It was crazy. So who's the teammate that's most likely to be late?

[Joe]

Well, all of yours, obviously, because nobody gets fined.

[Ocho]

Giannis. Giannis is going to show up whenever he wants. Really. You know, I think that that's kind of just came with the territory at that. And I kind of saw it was going down. I was like, hey, man, more power to you. They ain't going to find you. Do what you do. Except when we're going to Dallas. That's when I was like, all right, come on.

[Uncle Joe]

Right now we're getting fined for Ms.

[Joe]

Free Throw Box outs. Honestly, that's a good one.

[Ocho]

I'm not mad at that. I'm actually not mad at that at all.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, we're a little bit mad about

[Joe]

it because it's like, all right, well, what if the ball goes out of bounds? There's no possession. What if, like, there's always caveats to it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, bad bounce.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, stuff like that, supposed to stay in house.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on. Before you go, Ojo. Ocho and Joe, they have since deleted this video.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, I would, in case you could.

[Joe]

No, no, no. Ocho, you ever been too late?

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Talk to him. He's talking to me.

[Joe]

Some. Somebody might. A lawyer might ask a question. And what did one lawyer. The defense of prosecution said, objection. And the judge says, sustain. How do you make the jury unheal what they heard?

[Uncle Joe]

Too late.

[Joe]

So whether he. Sustained. Now. Yeah. The defendant is not supposed to. Whomever. They're not supposed to take that into consideration. Jury, whatever you just heard, disregard it. Pretend you didn't hear it. I heard what he said. I saw the video. The man said Giannis was most likely to be late. He said that we showed up an hour plus late. He's the leader of your team.

[Ocho]

Your team.

[Uncle Joe]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Go ahead.

[Uncle Joe]

Now, listen, you. You right. And I'm with you when you're right. Huh? I'm not saying what Giannis is doing is okay, but I'm saying the things that going in locker rooms, the things that going on. On. On team functions and. And. And stuff like that, that always stays in house.

[Joe]

Well, he gone. So I would tell it, Ocho, when you break up, what the girls say, yeah, you ain't had no meat. I wasn't. You weren't doing nothing anyway. They say all the things.

[Ocho]

Yeah, right.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they. They.

[Ocho]

They do that.

[Uncle Joe]

But you don't. You rarely hear this from players. Very, very, very rarely. But all of a sudden now, during this era that we're in now, where everyone has a voice, everyone has a platform, you have podcasts and stuff like that, everyone likes to tell some of the things that are always kept in

[Ocho]

house, you know, and when you think about it, that's my attorney. It was his first year in Milwaukee.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay?

[Ocho]

So listen, probably. Probably that probably had a lot to do. Why Doc resigned. Because, listen, if the animals run in the zoo, fellas, how the. How the hell we gonna keep. How we gonna keep everything in order?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, That's a good one, boy. If the what?

[Ocho]

The animals running the zoo.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, that's a bar.

[Ocho]

That's a bar in the zoo. Meaning I come and go when I please. I don't get police.

[Joe]

You.

[Ocho]

I don't get no repercussions. Ain't no fines. Man, you two hours late to the damn plane.

[Joe]

What?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. You know why they able to do that? What kind of. What kind of money?

[Joe]

NBA players got money now.

[Ocho]

They have few money.

[Uncle Joe]

They got their fu. Money. They do what they play. Hey, Unc, can you imagine if we. We were late to a plane on

[Joe]

the NFL game after they take you.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, listen, not on now. Hey, Joe, not only are they going to leave us, we got to get our own flight going to wherever we going. As a matter of fact, not only that, Joe, we probably won't start.

[Ocho]

Okay, Ocho, normally your ass get left. I don't care who you are. I didn't seen the star players get left, bro. And, yes, you have to book your own flight and you have to meet us. I'm telling you, that ain't normal, bro. That's not normal. That.

[Joe]

That's the behavior of a guy that says, f y'. All. I don't want to be here.

[Ocho]

I'm ready to go.

[Joe]

And I'm gonna show you how much I don't want to be here, because I'm gonna come when I want to. I'm gonna. And. And I'm. I'm telling you what's happening. This is a guy. I'm showing you now what I'm telling the media. Oh, I want to be here. I love it in Milwaukee, my home. Yada, yada, yada. But what he's showing the team and the higher ups. Yeah, I don't want to be here. Yeah. I can't make it abundantly clear than by not showing up on time.

[Uncle Joe]

But listen, none of us would have known this, Uncle Joe. See, Giannis is saying one thing publicly, trying to keep a clean face. Mile Turner come, goes behind his back and say, let me tell you who Giannis really is.

[Ocho]

Yes, but think about it. Think about it, though. Oo hell he was. He didn't even play a whole hell of a lot last year, so he's probably missing this plane, and he wasn't even dressing.

[Joe]

Thank you. Oh, okay. Okay.

[Ocho]

You know what I mean? So.

[Uncle Joe]

That still doesn't make it right, though, Joe. You're not playing. You can't be coming two hours late.

[Ocho]

Yeah, no, no, no, no. It don't. It don't make it right. But what I'm saying is, Miles Turner in the crew, they out there grinding night in and night out, practicing their ass off, and you mean to tell me you still traveling with us, but we still gotta.

[Joe]

We gotta wait on you.

[Ocho]

Come on, bro.

[Joe]

We gotta wait on you. But you the leader of the team. It's hard. It's hard because you want your best players to be your hardest workers and your best.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Uncle Joe]

Locked in.

[Joe]

Because Ocho, remember when we first started, I said, ocho, I remember watching the guys, and I watched Steve Atwater, and I watch how Dennis Smith and I watched John Elway, I watched the guys. I said, that's the kind of leader I want to be, because I know that when I got in that position, the young guy's gonna be watching me. If I'm asleep in meetings and I'm still playing at an elite level, if I'm late. They gonna think that's acceptable.

[Ocho]

Yep, yep.

[Joe]

See what Yanis is doing?

[Uncle Joe]

You know what? That's crazy. You know what? Remember. Remember I said I want. I want players, I want coaches, I want to be able to speak their mind. I want to be honest.

[Joe]

You don't want that now say something.

[Uncle Joe]

No, no, no, I. I still want it, but this is not what I'm talking about. I ain't talking about snitching. I ain't talking about that. I want to be honest how they. How they feel when it. When it comes to things that involves themselves. Let me tell you how I feel about the situation I'm in. Let me tell you about what I don't feel comfortable with. With this situation or this organization or my playing time or stuff like that. Not going and sitting on the goddamn platform. Talk about what another player did and exposing him. That's.

[Joe]

That.

[Uncle Joe]

That's. That's. That's. That's snitching. And most of those things that happen in locker rooms are supposed to be.

[Joe]

How about you come to.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

So Miles Turnerson said, why Giannis is a. Is a 10 time greater player, but why is his time more important than mine? But he's telling us we do, Hey, X, Y and Z, and he's not doing what he's supposed to do.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, Absolutely. You know, I don't.

[Joe]

I'm telling you, right, guys do they. They follow what you. What you do, not what you say. Yes, sir. You talk your ass off. Yeah. How you gonna talk about. You talking about late for me to. Come on, guys. Well, if you. For me, I would, Joe. Hey, it's happened now. I've never. I've never been late for a team play. And I used to hate being a rookie because, Ocho, you know, first rookie, you gotta go get donuts, so you gotta go get fried chicken.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Get burgers. And I'm like, come on, man. Y' all know. Come on, man.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Shop. I want this. Get me a. A. A three piece, spicy. Now I want Popeyes. I want kfc. I said, look here, everybody go. Do you get popeyes and getting KFC? I'm not going no. 2. Damn.

[Uncle Joe]

Stop.

[Joe]

Now y' all gonna have to whip my ass, so I'm gonna whip y' all ass. But what you gonna. What you want? Because Popeye's way over here and KFC over there, and I still. I gotta get. I gotta go home, get dressed, get my stuff, go get this. Nah, nah, I'm not doing all that it's a lot.

[Uncle Joe]

You know what's funny, Uncle Joe? The funny thing about it is, as good as I was when I played, especially in my goddamn prime, as crazy I was when it came to my antics and my on the field stuff, or the stuff I did in front of the camera through the media, when it came to my opponents, nothing really malicious. There was one thing I never did that scared me a little bit.

[Joe]

What's that?

[Uncle Joe]

I would never be late.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I was always on time. I didn't fall asleep in meetings.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I always conducted myself like the profession I am because I didn't want them to be able to say anything about me.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Uncle Joe]

Anything else? Because when I touch the field, I'm an actor ass.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm an actor ass. So everything outside of that, Unc, I did, I did it right.

[Ocho]

You right. Hey, and, and, and, and another thing that it tells me about the Milwaukee Bucks players, man. They ain't respect. Doc.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

If you, if you respect. If you respect your head coach, bro, and you know he. He's non tolerance.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

Your ass gonna be on time.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

Period, point blank. Now, if you lenient, meaning. Okay, I've been late a couple times. And you ain't. It's no repercussions. You ain't been punished. I ain't been fine. Hell, what's. Why not be late again? Yeah.

[Joe]

And me.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Like, I think you have to. If your head coach doesn't command or demand respect, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

The players will try and run over you. That's. That's just like a. That's, that's just like a. You being in a relationship with a female, bro, if you don't put your foot down, homie, she gonna do whatever

[Joe]

she want to do when she want to. Or. I'm going out with the girls tonight. When were you gonna let me know this? Right now. Oh, no. I tell you what. I tell you what. You go, yeah. I'm not gonna tell you what you can do, but I guarantee you good luck getting back in here.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Uncle Joe. Just think about that. Just thinking about what Giannis is able to do. Obviously, the money's different, is guaranteed. They have F you money in the NBA. But just showing up late in general, whether it's meetings, whether it's the team playing, like there's a certain fear. There's a certain fear in me that would be scared to do that.

[Joe]

I don't have a respect for your people.

[Uncle Joe]

That would scare me.

[Joe]

What you had with respect for Your teammates and the coaching staff because you felt time wasn't any more important than theirs. Giannis felt because he was the best player, a two time league mvp, a finals mvp. His time was more important than theirs. And he says, I'm going to come whenever I want to come. And when things you can't abuse. Now see, he tell that. Now I want to see if he going to tell that story. I want to see if he go get on the platform and say, yeah, guys, I was late. Yeah, and that's on me.

[Uncle Joe]

He gonna be pissed. He gonna be pissed off. He gonna be pissed. Hey, how about this? Why you think they deleted other NBA players? Hey, how other, how are other NBA players gonna look at Miles Turner? Do you mean how they gonna view him?

[Ocho]

Meaning, like if you and our locker room, you're gonna be telling stuff that's going on. Yeah, but think about this.

[Uncle Joe]

What's the situation with Swaggy P back in the days?

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. D. Yeah.

[Commercial Voice]

You see?

[Joe]

You see how that's what they had to find. You had to fire on him. You got to fire. You got to whip him. You gotta whip him. You know that? You got to whip it.

[Ocho]

A man put you a man, throw

[Joe]

you under the bus like that.

[Ocho]

That told all your little business.

[Joe]

Hey, your old lady, it's the same thing. I, I whip him every day and I won't make him say no. I was just, we were just playing. That ain't happening.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. But here's what I will tell y'. All. Hell, one of them Miles Turner or Giannis, one of them gonna be gone.

[Joe]

He was gone. It's kind of like if we like, we. And you know, guys, I love this because we always like, like to equate a lot of things to relationship when you know you about to leave relationship, you go and come as you please. You leave. Hey, where you going? Oh, I'm going. I'm going to see the fellas at 11:30.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

You walk in the house at 4:00', clock, 5:00 clock in the morning like it ain't nothing.

[Ocho]

Hello. Whoa, hold on, hold on.

[Joe]

Hey, uncle did that before, man. You know good and well I can't come in the house past 12 o'. Clock. I'm sleep.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey. Hey, Joe. Hey. You ever tried to break up with somebody and came and came in the house when the sun was coming up?

[Ocho]

I don't, I don't have. Yeah, I haven't been there. Yeah. To the point to where I was just kind of like fed up like, man, the hell with this. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I come home when the hell I come home. You know what I mean? Yeah. What repercussions do I have for this?

[Joe]

Already I just the courage enough to say it. But I'm hoping you say it's over,

[Ocho]

that is.

[Joe]

And from. Let me tell you how I am, guy. I'm not coming late. I've always been a guy. Hey, everybody know how I am on time, so it ain't nothing new. But ain't no way in hell if my coach is my complexion. And I know how hard it is for them to get jobs like that. Ain't no way I undercut him. No way. If I could show up with a Dan Reeves, if I could show up for Wade Phillips, I could show up for Mike Shanahan, Brian Billick. I'm damn sure sure enough for her. Mel was. I'm damn sure sure enough for Mike Tomlin. I'm damn sure enough for Tony Dungeon. I'm damn sure enough for rested soul Denny Green. There is no way in hell. Cause I know how hard it was for them to get in that position. And now I'm one of their best players. And I. And I, I. I'm late. Nah, hell no.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's tough, bro. But I haven't seen it. I didn't seen it on, on several occasions. Fellas, you know, basketball and football a little different. Like I said, it's a lot of leniency when it comes to, you know, basketball. Like, we don't have to sleep in hotels, meaning when we at home and all that, you know, you kind of come and go as you please. We ain't got no curfews. It's a little different.

[Uncle Joe]

Wait, hold on. Y' all ain't got no curfew tonight before a game?

[Ocho]

Hell, no.

[Joe]

We still.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, man.

[Joe]

My first three years, because Dan Reeves, he was big on family. Coach Landry was big on families. He felt that the players would play better if they were at home with their wives, kids, significant other. Come to find out, guess what? They wasn't spending time with it. They might spend time, but they might be three o'. Clock. But this baffles me, but it just goes to show you, Leadership comes in. Many some people's like, hey, do what I say, don't do what I do. Some people like, look, I'm gonna lead. I'm gonna show you how to do the right thing. This is how I eat. This is how I prepare. This is how I study. This is my make sure I get everything but be on time. It bothers me, man. I hate that. Oh, Joe. You and I were great players, Joe. You were a great player. It would have been nothing for us. The. The part about being a great player is to have privileges and don't abuse them.

[Uncle Joe]

Bingo. I'm. That's. You just. You took the words right out of my. I couldn't. I couldn't find a sentence structure. But you just said it. Yeah, I wasn't doing that.

[Joe]

That's the problem. You don't think Tom Brady had privileges. You don't think Peyton Manning and John Elway. I've been with Ray. Ray was the defensive player of the year. Was on time. He could get on time because he knows guys are watching him.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Joe]

I don't get it, man. I don't get it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that's crazy. I. I hope this doesn't cause a trickle effect, though, Joe. And you know how many things going in the locker room, you know how many things are going to go. Go on at home in the streets that only we know about because we're all in the same circle when something happens. We all know people talk. There's certain things that never get out because it stays within that.

[Joe]

That.

[Uncle Joe]

That. That confinement of that fraternity, that brotherhood.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Now if we get players deciding to come out and tell things that nobody would know unless they run their mouth. I hope this is. This is not a trickle effect. Another player decided, well, you know what? I got a story, too. Let me tell this story and about this player. Let me tell this story about this player and not everybody telling everybody. God damn.

[Joe]

This could have been a situation where he. Giannis, did this with. Not only did he do it with Doc, he did it with Bud. He done it with. What's the. Adrian Griffin, whomever the coach was. I don't know, maybe this is. This is who he is. I don't know. I don't know. I just know. I don't care. Chad. You can't convince me because someone is great at something. His time is more important than mine. It's not. If I found a way to get there, he can, too. Because there's a great chance he has a better car than mine. Yeah. Why do I have to? Why do I have to? He's not the only one that's married with kids. I promise you, he's not.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

He don't give any more than the next man. Love his. I gotta get there. I gotta be the film study Ocho. I gotta be the treatment. I gotta get to shoot around I gotta get to the practice. I've gotta get to the plane. Why can't he, as the best player? That's what you want. You want that response. Do you understand how great you have to be to have a certain level of responsibility? Everybody don't have this. That responsibility. Having that level of responsibility is a privilege, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You know what you always say to Unc? Remember, we've had. We've had situations with NFL receivers that come late all the time.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And the first thing you say is, you think this is the first time they did that?

[Joe]

No, absolutely not.

[Uncle Joe]

So this is probably not the first time he did this. This is just the first time that someone that was part of that team put it out there publicly.

[Joe]

Yes, of course.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen.

[Uncle Joe]

Might have been something he'd been doing all the time.

[Joe]

I wouldn't be surprised. I think. I wouldn't be surprised.

[Ocho]

I think. I think the disheartening thing is that, you know, we. We hold Giannis to. You know, we hold him on a high pedestal, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

Super high.

[Ocho]

And you just. I. I'm gonna be honest with y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

I never would even guess.

[Joe]

I wouldn't have either. Joke.

[Ocho]

He looked like he's the hardest worker, which he probably is. Yeah, he looks like, you know, he's always on time. I'm just telling you what it looks like. I never would have guessed what Miles Turner said, that that's what Giannis was doing.

[Joe]

He was. That man didn't go through no other names. That man said, who's the most she, Brie, Stewie, Say, well, who's the most habitual offender? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, without hesitation, normally, I was like, let me think.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, Giannis.

[Joe]

That's why we love our illusions, because we don't want the truth, because it would destroy. It would destroy our illusions. And Joe said he had this illusion of what, Yanis? What? Giannis was hard worker. He couldn't.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Two things can be true. He can be a hard worker and a repeat habitual tardy guy.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And think how hard. And Joe, certain players fight to keep that image clean.

[Joe]

Of course.

[Uncle Joe]

Think about it. And then you have people like Miles Turner come out and say things like this, that tarnished that said image that Joe had and who he felt Giannis was.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But we're smart enough to know we saw through a lot of Yannis bull jive. Oh, I do what my agent says, child, please. Thank you.

[Ocho]

Come on, now.

[Joe]

I don't know anything about what's going on. So you mean to tell Me, Your agent is having conversations about your future, and you don't know nothing about it.

[Ocho]

Man, please.

[Joe]

He. You know absolutely nothing. Oh, whatever. My wife, bro, you really gonna put that on your wife, right? You really gonna put that on your wife? My wife is going to decide where I go.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, you know what? He ain't got to worry about being late no more. Where he gonna. He's gonna be down here in Miami, and Pat Riley don't play that. And sponsor gonna find you. He ain't gonna be late.

[Joe]

And. And. But a lot of this is on Doc. And see, but this is how Doc. Coach Joe. Because I've heard Doc speak, and I've heard a lot of players that played for Doc. Doc is a guy. He let the players handle it. I would treat you like men. I want you to show up. I want you to do what you're supposed to do and remove me from the equation. Y' all handle that. Y' all got an issue going on. Somebody don't like each other. Hey, y' all handle that. I. I don't want nothing to do with. I don't need to know about it. Hey, y' all gonna. You. You can't. Everybody is not wired like that. Some people, you got to step on their neck. Let me take that back. I apologize. Okay. Use that phrase. Some people, you got to. You know, you got to get on them.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

You just got to get on them. Because they won't do. Right, Joe? They will not. And the one thing that you don't want to have happen is that your best player developed this type of attitude. Because, boy, if he developed it, good luck corralling.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

I'm with you. You got to put your foot down, bro. Meaning to where? Every man on that roster respects you, bro. Especially the top. From top to bottom, I don't give a damn who it is. And when you. And when you a head coach, if you super lenient. Because I've been on teams like that to where I've seen kind of, you know, players doing what they want and coaches really not saying a whole hell of a lot. I know what it looked like.

[Joe]

I do, too.

[Ocho]

Hey, and whatever you let a guy get away with, trust me, his ass gonna run a thousand miles with. Yeah,

[Joe]

yeah. And that's the thing. Cause I saw. I saw guys do things with Wade they didn't even think about doing with Dan. It didn't even cross their mind.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

But me?

[Ocho]

Nah, bro.

[Joe]

Nothing to do that. We was at the super bowl, and Brian Billy told the story. We have no Joe. We have no curb. Dane could check no room. Check the first. Hey, do what you a. I'm a. Brian's like, I'm gonna treat you guys like men. He said, the only thing that I ask is that you ride to and from practice on the bus. Yeah, we ain't got no practice. We ain't got no curfew. Just ride from this hotel to the practice on the bus, go back, and then once you get back to the hotel, if your mom, your girlfriend, or. Or somebody want to pick you up, you want to go wherever, take off.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

This dude, like, man, you know, my mom, them coming, so I'm gonna ride back. I say no to f you not. I say no to F you not. I said, Brian said, we only got one rule. The rule is to and from, and that's it. So, unfortunately, you need to tell your mom and your dad or whoever else, they're not gonna be able to take you from here. They can follow the buses back to the hotel, and you can get in the car and go with them then. Cause you not gonna F this up for nobody else, man. The end. We lived happily ever after. You're not gonna. You're not gonna mess it up. Nope. That ain't happening. And he. Yo, bro, hold on. You not even playing. Well, I wish I would.

[Ocho]

It'd be the worst one sometime. Okay. Ocho, the ones who don't get no clock, they ain't playing. They feel like they ain't included.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And please, you got to be on your best. Damn.

[Joe]

Absolutely. Cause, yeah. Michael send you home? Because I know he done send some of them home.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I love it. Nah, bro, I gotta get up. Why you feel your time is more into. That's. That's. That's the way I look at it. You tell. You say F, Shannon, man. F sharp. Cause I gotta get up and I gotta get here. But you don't. Who. Yeah, Like I said, I wasn't cut out to be everybody's teammate because I had a problem. I was there to win. I wasn't there to make friends. And already accumulated enough friends in college and what I didn't have in high school and college. If I didn't make it in NFL, oh, well, so damn be it.

[Ocho]

Oh, well.

[Joe]

Money. Money and friends. I. I was coming to the NFL to make money, not make friends.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Now, in the process, if I. I got a couple. Thank you. But if I didn't. Oh, well, right. I'd be an old man with a damn House full of dogs, man, don't play like that. We coming to work. We're gonna get our work done. We're gonna have a good time. And Mike would tell him, hey, have a good time. But he'll also put me inside 84. You responsible for him now. Yeah, man. Hey, stretch it out, yo. Walking to the field, stretching, boy. We. Hey, we all. But the moment he blow that whistle,

[Ocho]

strictly lock in. Yeah.

[Joe]

Strictly business. All that Kiki kid and all that foolery. I, I, I ain't about that. I ain't about that. Oh, man, you, man. You, you, you, this. No, no, no, no, no, bro. What are you here for? You trying to win? So what you. What we trying to do? Because that's what we trying to do here. We trying to win. It ain't. It ain't that complicated for me. I come to get better. You come to bull jive? Well,

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I ain't gonna dime you out, but when the man asks me what I think about something, I'm gonna keep walking. That's my answer.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

This is. This is very disheartening for me to have this onion because you got. Honestly, it's hard for me to view him in any. To do this.

[Ocho]

It's hard.

[Joe]

It's hard because like you say, Joe, we have a perception of people.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, just imagine if you found out that Tom Brady was a jerk or Peyton Manning was a jerk, where they're so affable and you see the per. Especially Peyton. Peyton been Saturday Night Live, and he might have had one of the greatest performance for an athlete on Saturday Night Live. And if you've ever been around him, Ocho, like you and I have, Joe, what you see, that's who he is.

[Uncle Joe]

What you get? Yeah, just like that.

[Joe]

You could have. Hey, Peyton. That's my. This is my friend's son. Can you sign this autograph? Can you sign this jersey? Can you sign this? No problem. Yeah, anytime. Hey, hey, 84. Anytime you want to come back. Hey, come on to the suite. Come to the box. Tom is the same people. Oh, Tom is great. I saw Tom right here. Was that. That was. As a matter of fact. It was last June. It was last June. I went to the thing because he got this exhibit at the fountain. Blue. Yeah, yeah, anything you. Hey, love what you do. I love. I love how you do your homework. You know what the hell you're talking about?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You need anything for me, give me a call. So, yeah, I let people all bad. You just. I'll let y' all talk But I know when I talk to them how they. Same thing with owners. I think that's the greatest compliment. Is that something that a player or owner or GM can give you, pull you to the side. You do a hell of a job. You do your homework. Now, I might not like everything that you say, but you know what the hell you're talking about.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

You'd be surprised at some of the teams that I've taken to, gave in the sharpest critique. Their owners give you the greatest compliment. Their players give you the greatest compliments. So I'm doing something right. Boy. Asia Wilson had a monster game tonight, Joe. Oh, shorthand. They beat the Suns 101 to 94. Asia, 15 of 18 from the field. She made all 13 of her free throws. She made both of her three point attempt shots. The Aces have responded well. After the opening night lost to Phoenix, they were having a hangover. Kennedy Carter, who's been unbelievable, coming off the bench for the aces, she had 18 points. She returned to the league this year after not signing with the team last year. She's been a godsend. She's been. She's been un. Unbelievable. But this is why I said for me, and I go back to 1996 when the NWNBA started, and I know all the great players that's playing in wnba, from Candace Parker to Lisa Leslie to Cheryl Swoops to Lauren Jackson to Diana Taurasi, Maya Moore. I know them all. It's gonna be hard if she's not all ready to go at 30 years old and what she's accomplished. It's gonna be very, very hard. Ocho and Joe, when it's all said and done, they say there was a greater w. A greater woman's basketball player than her.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. She. Hey, she's been doing a hell of a job.

[Joe]

They.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know, they play. They. They play the Atlanta Dream on Sunday in Atlanta. I think they do play here in Atlanta.

[Joe]

Are you going to the game, man?

[Ocho]

I might go. Yeah, I might. Sunday. What's going on? Is there any games on Sunday?

[Joe]

NBA, Cleveland.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Ocho]

I probably ain't gonna go. No. It's at 1:30. They play at 1:30. That might go. I go. Might go check them out, man. She can do it, you know. Atlanta, Atlanta, two zero, bro. Atlanta two zero. Aces three and one. I think it'd be a damn good game.

[Joe]

I mean, they got. Jackie Young had 13, Chelsea Gray had 12. Asia 45, 15 of 18, two or two from the three third perfect from the free throw line. Three rebounds, three assists, a steal, two blocks. That's what makes her so great, is that she went on both ends of the court. You. I can make a case. A strong case. She probably should have five and four, five MVPs. Four defensive players a year year. PHI beat two years ago for player of the year. Stewie beat her two year, three years ago for mvp. She could have easily gotten that. Yeah, she phenomenal.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So smooth.

[Ocho]

She is, bro.

[Joe]

Smooth.

[Ocho]

Super talented. She got a nice jump shot, nice post game, nice mid range game. She got everything, bro.

[Joe]

She does. She does. She does. I mean, it's. And the women's college game. You look, look. I would have loved to see the situation. They'd have had a WNBA league when Cheryl Miller came out.

[Ocho]

Oh.

[Joe]

Cause she was the greatest basketball player I had ever seen.

[Ocho]

Damn. You got to see her play.

[Joe]

I saw her in college. Yes, when she won. Did you really? When she won. Back to back, they won the national championship back to back years. In 84, 85. They beat LA Tech. You know, Kim Mulkey with the point guard was really the coach for coach at Baylor. Not coach, lsu. Kim Wonky was a point guard. They beat, they beat. They went back to back. They had the McGee. Pam and Paula McGee. Yeah, Javale McGee. She was on that.

[Ocho]

Did they have Cooper?

[Joe]

Cynthia Cooper was on that team. Cheryl Miller was on that team. Then in 86, Clarissa Davis, the great Texas team went undefeated. 36 and 0. So, yeah, I go. I go all the way back with them. Cheryl Swoops had the greatest game I've ever seen a woman's college basketball player had. In the national championship game. I think she dropped 48 on Ohio State and Katie Smith. Y' all go look at.

[Ocho]

Did you really?

[Joe]

That is the greatest woman's college basketball game that I've ever seen. I mean, Sheryl Swoops. Yes.

[Ocho]

She was the first. She.

[Uncle Joe]

She.

[Ocho]

She was the first woman I know to have her own signature sho.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yes. Yeah, sure. If y' all get a chance, go check that game out on YouTube. She was. Hey, she could do it all. She had a game. She was Maya Moore before Maya More. You know how Maya Moore get to that sweet spot and pull up Sheriff. We do all of that. Put it on the floor between the leg w.

[Ocho]

All that.

[Joe]

She ain't but Asia Wilson, man. When it's all said and done. What's up, cousin? I want a new phone.

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