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Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. Oh, ocho. Bam. Historic 83.9 against the wizard last night presented fans with a choice of force aside. Look, you had to pick a side. You celebrated or you audited. Many are discrediting it because the opponent, the Wizards, are the second worst in the East. Others are discrediting it because the Heat had filed late in the fourth quarter to help extend the game. Kobe took 46 shots in his legendary game, three more than Bam. And made 18 or 20 free throws. Bam. Took 46 free throws to Kobe's 20. Bam. Pierce came to his defense, KD said. I looked at the stat sheet, it was pretty crazy. 40 shots, 40 free throws, 20 threes. But that takes a lot of stamina, man. Huge accomplishment. It will be something we talk about forever, Yana says. It doesn't matter how you got there. All that matters is that you got it look like in 10, 20, 30 years from now, no one's going to remember how many free throws he shot. I don't think anyone remember how many shots Kobe shot or how many free throws or he made or how many threes. All you remember is 83. Toronto Raptors record. When Kobe broke his record, they were 14 and 26 at the time. On January 22, 2006, the 12th worst in the E. There was 12th in the East. 4th worst there was 12th in the East. 14 4th worst in the East. So what you thinking? Oo because a lot of people, everybody talking about, man, out of respect for Kobe, he should have stopped it for 81. Y' all know the way y' all talk about Kobe, is that what.
Joe
Hey, you know what? I'm. I'm glad you just said that. The first thing, the first thing when I, when I watched Twitter, when I seen some of the Stuff on Instagram is if Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him. Kobe would be happy for him. And all the people, all the people taking up for. For Kobe or. Or doing exactly what he wouldn't do. So I understand. I understand. We are real Kobe fans. We love him. The fact that he had 81 point game, but only three people have scored 80 points. Wilt Kobe and Bam. And Kobe would have been happy for him. We know how he is. He celebrated everybody, especially when they hit a milestone of this magnitude, regardless of how you got it, it's still 83 points. It's the way three points. And some people. And this is one one of the few times I don't understand why don't. Why, why don't we celebrate things like this?
Joe Ocho
I'm not Kobe fans.
Joe
That too. I'm not much of a basketball fan.
Joe Ocho
That's not the record when Kobe scored 81. That the. The record is a hundred. So somebody needs to score 101 or more points to have the record. And 81 is not the record. I don't get it. Oh, it's like anything. Sometimes people break records and it takes some more games. Like when O.J. simpson broke the record. He broke the record in 14 games. Eric Dickinson broke the record in 16 games. Somebody's going to come along. If they break the record, it's going to take 17 games. So whatever record happens moving forward. And this is what they try to do to Miles. They're like, well, he did it in 17 games. Is the NFL record sack record. That is the record. But this notion. And I saw when they announced it in. In the fan, in the state, in the Crip, they were booing. Why? Yeah, I don't care if. Yes. See this? Kobe had a chance because there are games that Kobe had 60 plus and he came out in the third quarter. I like spoke supposed say the way he had it going. I wasn't even thinking about taking him out. And I instructed, I instructed the team, let's see how many we can get him. It happens. Oh, you having a good game? The. The game Tio had that was on Jerry Rice's day. 20 catches, Brandon Marshall, 21 catches. Josh McDaniel says, hey, we gonna lose this game, but we gonna get you the record. I don't have a problem with it, Guy. Come on, man. We gotta stop this, man. It's 83 effing points. And I get it. That Bam is probably the unlikeliest guy. If you'd have thought somebody will get it. You say Luca. Yeah. Donovan Mitchell you say Dame Lillard. You saying somebody like that, that's going to make 10, 12, 15 threes. You not thinking no Bam out of bio. Bam. I don't even think Bam is averaging 20 points. If you go back and look at the guys that got those kind of numbers that all those guys at the high 20s, even 30s. Luca's been in the 30s. J. Dave Lillard has averaged 30, Kobe averaged 35. So when you see will average 50 in a game, 44 in a game, 38 in the game. So if somebody like that we're. I think it's because he's so unlikely to have done something like this. He does. I mean and you look at him, he's not, he's never. I don't even know if he's ever scored 50 in a game. I don't even know if he's ever scored 40 in a game. To go from your high being something in the 30s to all the way to 80s, that is crazy.
Joe
It was dope to me. It was dope to see. I didn't, I didn't believe the stat line when I first saw it. I, I thought, I thought it was, thought it was AI. You know, when I saw the 80.
Joe Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
And then I, I saw go across the, the ticker on ESP and I'm like, oh man, that's dope. That's. That, that is dope. And I, I was happy. I was hyped. And then I go on Twitter.
Joe Ocho
Yeah.
Joe
I'm like, well, God damn. People writing think pieces and, and defending Kobe.
Joe Ocho
This, this 83 is different. This 83 is different than Kobe's 81. Kobe did, bro. It's 83. It's 80 points. And I mean I think the thing is oho is somebody that they can. They got a career high of 75 yards and all of a sudden they have a 300 yard game. You're like how do you get a 300 yard game? The most you ever receiving yard you ever had in the game was 75. And now you got 300, you jump. So you jump over 150, 200, 250 to go from 75 to 3. And I think that's what it is because. And the amount of free throws. I think the most free throw somebody ever shot in the game was probably what 38, I think Dwight, how we shot that many? I mean check, check me for. But 46 free throws and they was, they was trying not to. I mean I saw, I saw clips and they got three people on him and they don't want him to get it.
Joe
Hey, that's crazy.
Joe Ocho
Y' all should have thought about that earlier before you let the man get 31 in the first quarter. How about that? Then that's the time that you say, you know what? You ain't no more, bro. You let the man get 36 of the quarter. I mean, 31 and a quarter. Then you let him get another 12. So he got 43. Now you let him get another 19. So now you. Not. Now you're gonna get in trouble, and you let him get 21 in the fourth.
Joe
That's. I. I don't. I don't. I don't understand it. I mean, it. It's as if. I mean, it's still basketball. It's still the NBA. It is the best. And then, you know, they move the goal post. They move the goal post. Maybe because it's Bam. Maybe. Maybe if it's Anthony Edwards, maybe nobody would be complaining.
Joe Ocho
I guarantee. I bet your doorknob to a bucket of common Ocho, had he. If LeBron had 81 and Bam broke that, what you think the discourse would be on the Internet? How many people we throw in a ticker tape parade that have been applauding? You know that, and I know that. That's why you're smiling. You know that. But because it was Kobe, Kobe would. Kobe would have applauded this man. Oh, hold on. Y' all don't remember when Kobe dropped 55 on Jordan and he idolized Jordan? How can he do his idol like that? Because Kobe said he would want it. No other way. Kobe, I believe Kobe would have been pissed had.
Shannon Sharpe
Had.
Joe Ocho
Had Bam come out of the game with 80 or tie with him at 81? Nah. Hell no. If I'm smoke, I'm leaving him in the game. I will see if he can get 90.
Joe
Absolutely.
Joe Ocho
I will see if he. I'm honestly going to see if he can get 90 points.
Joe
Funny thing about it is, all those that are Kobe fans, they have a right to be Kobe fans, but they don't have Kobe's mentality. They don't have that.
Joe Ocho
No.
Joe
They don't have mentality.
Joe Ocho
No.
Joe
You know how he operates. You know how he thinks, and you know that he would have actually wanted that.
Joe Ocho
Of course. And look, that man. Look, I don't know how you feel, Ocho, but I know if I got. Let's just say that the record is339.339, or336.336 by flip flip Anderson got the record. Ocho. You Mean to tell me I don't give a damn if it's a meaningless game.
Shannon Sharpe
I.
Joe Ocho
Hey, hey, hey, Shannon, you got 334. What you want to do? I want to go back. Hey, let them score a touchdown and let me get back in there and get 337. That's what you do. Are you something. Something needs to happen that I need to get back on the field and throw and, and let me get. And let me break this record. 83 points. Ocho. 83. I mean, I'm just thinking. I like man and like KD saying do think about it. That man shot the ball 43 times and then he took another 43 free throw attempts. He took 22 three point attempts. Do you know how much stamina it takes to run up and down the court in this to shoot? I tell you what, you think it's easy? Just, hey, just get you a nice little job and go shoot. 80 and go shoot.
Joe
Oh, he in good shape now.
Joe Ocho
And 22 of me.
Joe
He in good shape now. Oh, yeah.
Joe Ocho
That's what makes Steph Curry so spectacular. Think about how much money he does and then how many threes he get up. Congratulations, Bam. I didn't think. I mean, look, and like I said, because he's so unlikely, if Dame Lillard did that, you wouldn't think anything else. All right, Joe, this is going to be right up your alley. He head coach exposter broke the people criticizing Bam out of bios historic 83 point game. Spo said, I'm not losing sleep over what people are saying, what's ethical or not. I would do it 10 times out of 10 again for Bam. I'm apologizing to nobody about this. I think, I think most of the people that probably made comments, they didn't watch the game. That's irresponsible, unethical. You don't even understand the context of the game. Joe, take it away, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Look, I'm with Spo Man. Apologizing for what, man? That man had 31 in the first quarter. Uncle Ocho. Hey, look, you probably look up, you probably thinking to yourself, ooh, I got 31 in the first quarter. Oh, we. I'm for sure gonna get 50 today.
Joe Ocho
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
You know what? I kind of got this thing going then, you know, once you get to a certain point, your teammate's gonna start gravitating trying to help you out. That's just part of it, bro.
Joe Ocho
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You know what I mean? And I think that's why it took such criticism, because of how he got it meaning like how they were kind of basically force feeding him. But I'm cool with that. Like, man, 83 points, bro. Come on, RKO. Joe.
Joe Ocho
Yeah, hold on. So they talk about, oh, the weather's not any good. They make it seem the Wizards ain't been good all year. The wizard ain't been good since they were the Bullets, so.
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
Joe Ocho
Wasn't it?
Shannon Sharpe
And we.
Joe Ocho
And the thing is, like I said, Joe, he had 31 in the first quarter, then he get another 12. I got 43 at the half. At worst case scenario, I'm getting 60.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Hold on. Yeah, you think it's 60.
Joe Ocho
You got. Hold on, Joe. Joe, I got. I got 19. And third, I got 62. Now with 12 minutes to play.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm thinking about catching. COVID I don't.
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Thank you.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm thinking. Hey, hey, hey. I'm thinking. Now I'm thinking Kobe had 81. I got 62 with 12 minutes. Hey, boy. And with a little help from my teammate.
Joe Ocho
Sh.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm out there like Bam playing wide receiver.
Joe Ocho
They got three dudes guarding. Hey, hey, hey. I ain't playing no defense. All I do is snowball. I'm cherry picking. Hey, get to the basket. I'm taking off. Hey, throw it down there. Hit me one of them hail Marys.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, think about it, bro. Like, that's. That's legendary. Because obviously, you know, we. We hadn't seen Will, but we know will got 100 points. Yeah, man, can you after, like, Joe,
Joe Ocho
not to cut y', all, but people say, man, will they score no 100 points after seeing Bam get 83. Everybody said, yeah, Will got a hundred after they saw Bam get. Right after they saw Bam get 83. Because you gotta realize, right, Bam's averaging 19, 20 points a game. So you got 63 more points than what you average. Bam, career high might be 40, 41, 42 points. So now you got 40 plus points more than your career high.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
Will.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I think.
Joe Ocho
I think 78. A 73. Two. No, Will had a 70. He had a 71. A 72. What? I think the 72 came in 62, 61. But Wilt had like three 70 point games that year. 78, 100, a 73 and a 72. So he had four 70 point games in one year.
Joe
That's crazy, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, it's because Bam is in what we would necessarily call a score. But he got a nice package. He got a nice bag. Uncle Ocho. Hey, look, the man down there in Miami living, right? Him and Asia, they. They big Boo loving.
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Shannon Sharpe
He having a good time, man. Hey, I'm happy for him, man.
Joe
You know? You know, it's funny, Uncle Joe, is. Is those that actually play the game of basketball, whether it's. Whether it's coaches, whether it's former players, whether it's current players, I mean, their. Their reaction to it has not been very supportive. You know, if you heard most of the comments, and I mean, I'm somewhat confused, obviously. 83 is 83. No matter how you splice it, no matter how you try to move the goalpost, no matter how you try to explain it, it's history. I mean, just. And the fact that I said it yesterday, Joe, talking with Unc and if. If Kobe was here, Kobe would be the first one celebrating it, man, we have all these Kobe fans that are mad, that aren't even thinking like Kobe thinks Kobe celebrates a milestone like that. Absolutely not tripping off someone breaking a milestone.
Joe Ocho
It'd be a congratulations he passed Colby. If he had passed any. If it was. If it was Joe Johnson, if it was anybody else other than Kobe, it would have got applauded. Now, Joe, you was in the league when Kobe shot 50 times that last game. Ain't nobody say nothing. 50 shots.
Shannon Sharpe
N.
Joe Ocho
What? He finished with 60s on 50 shots. Yeah, ain't nobody said nothing. Boy, what a performance. You see Kobe, what were they doing? What was his teammates doing, Joe? Throwing him the ball?
Shannon Sharpe
N. They was. Yeah, they was force feeding, considering that.
Joe Ocho
I want to pull up the. I want to pull up the. What you call them, because I want to see something, because I want to see how many shots his teammate shot. Because when somebody shoot 50 times, Joe, you might get what, 80, 85 shots in a game and you got 12 players playing and one guy shoot 50 times. How many the others get?
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey. What I think, though, un. Is the fact that everybody knew that was his last game.
Joe Ocho
They.
Shannon Sharpe
They wanted to see him go out. They wanted to see him go out with a. I mean, hell, that's a Kobe, like, game.
Joe Ocho
50.
Shannon Sharpe
Dang. He shot 50 times. Like, ain't. Who else gonna shoot that many times, bro?
Joe Ocho
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You know what I mean?
Joe Ocho
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Shannon Sharpe
They understood the assignment.
Joe Ocho
Ain't nobody have a problem with it.
Shannon Sharpe
Bam.
Joe Ocho
Teammates understood. Spo told him, let's see how far he can take. Let's see how far he can take it. I'd have been pissed if they took him out. I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe and Ocho, I'd have stayed the whole game because now I'm gonna try to get 90. It's a minute and 24 seconds left, Joe. I'm gonna. I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna try to get 90. I ain't lying.
Shannon Sharpe
Might well stay in there the whole game. Don't just settle for 83. You saying keep going.
Joe Ocho
I had a conversation. I had a conversation with Ozzy and Brian Billett about Jamal Lewis. Jamal Lewis had 295 yards. Ocho and they took him out of the game. Yeah. You mean to tell me y' all can't let that man get five yards? If somebody break 300, I want to be the first NFL player to rush for 300 yards in an NFL game. They took the man out with like five, six minutes left in the ball game. I don't care. 300. Do you understand what 300 mean, Ocho? In an NFL game? Oh, absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, listen, even. Even the Saquon Barkley thing, when he could have broke the running back record and they. And look, look, look. It ain't no giving. You gonna get back there. He didn't have no.
Joe
As you can see, the next year, he.
Shannon Sharpe
You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You gotta take advantage of those moments.
Joe Ocho
We had the same thing. We had the same situation. Ocho and Joe with TD to get 2000 TD needed like 177 yards. Last game of the season, we got everything sewn up. They act. They a. The lion. Say we want to get it. Say we want to be in the record books. All right, let go. Let's go get it. You went. Guy. I think he went. Got 187.
Shannon Sharpe
Damn.
Joe Ocho
Yes, but, bro, history. History. I still think about it today, because if you remember, Ocho, Adrian Peterson broke Jamal's record. He ran for 296.
Joe
That was his rookie year.
Joe Ocho
If you break my. Look here. If you. If you go for 301, I'm good. But guess what, Ocho? I was the first guy to rush for 300 yards in an NFL game.
Joe
In an NFL game.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
Look, Nor Van brocklin is the.
Shannon Sharpe
Is 500.
Joe Ocho
His record is 550. 52. 50 something yards. The first. There's something about the first. Yeah. People gonna come behind you. I don't know who's the first person to have a Diamond. A Diamond album, but guess what, Ocho? I was the first. Yeah, there's been a lot of diamond albums. Mariah Carey got a couple. Whitney, Michael, Beyonce. Yeah, I was the first. If I'm. Like I said, if I'm. Bam, I got 83. I ain't lying chat. I ain't coming out. I'm trying to get 90.
Shannon Sharpe
I ain't gonna lie.
Joe Ocho
Hey, I get 90.
Joe
Hey. The first certified diamond album was Michael Jackson's Thriller.
Joe Ocho
Really?
Joe
Wait. Yeah. Thank you. The first album certified diamond, 2 million plus copies by RIAA awarded in 1984, were Michael Jackson's Thriller, certified 20 million. Fleetwood Max rumors, 12 million. And Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, 11 million.
Joe Ocho
That was the first. But Michael sold over 100 million copies. So that thing 10 times diamond. Ain't nobody beating that because they only that. First of all, they down. They. They do what? What? Spotify is streaming now, so. Yeah, you not buying no. No hard copies. You. It was a thing back in the day, Ocho. To actually go buy the hard copy. You could listen to it. You put the headset on. Put it on. They let you listen to it. You go to a little mom and pop or you go to Tower Records and you could actually listen to the album. Like. Yeah, I like that. Okay, I'm gonna get this. Or they. You could have a Go to Lamont Pop shops and they would make you a cassette. They'd make you an eight track. Yeah, I ain't got no problem. And people like, well, they was filing. Okay. Did anything happen in the game that's not a part of the game? Guess what they do every night in the game. Ocho and Joe foul. Yeah, they were. They filing.
Joe
Bam.
Joe Ocho
They didn't have to file him. They filed him. So he go to the free throw line and he made 36 or 43.
Joe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
I don't know what to tell you.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, listen, if I'm on the defensive team, man, I don't know how this man finna get 83 if he had 31 in the first quarter. Ojo first. First off, Uncle Ojo, my defense, my awareness gonna turn up so high till I'm gonna start denying, man, you're not gonna 83. I've been in the game the highest I've been in the game. Dame Lillard. This is when I was playing in Utah. We played against the Blazers when he was in Portland. He gave us like 62.
Joe Ocho
Damn.
Shannon Sharpe
Look, look. Yeah, I know Ocho, he was cooking. We couldn't. I'm talking about. But these three.
Joe Ocho
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You talking about everything. We couldn't contain him in the pick and roll. He going by our guards. He just getting what he want to. So in this same game, bro, I go over 20,000 points for my career. I'm thinking to myself, I say, I already knew this. Coming to the game. I needed like 13 points to go for 20k.
Joe
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So I went on, got mine out the way. First half, I went on, got mine out the way. Uncle Ocho. Yo, man, this joker done went from 62. I'm thinking to myself, how in the hell I'm gonna get the ball? This dude done went for a career high 62. Lo and behold, after the game, man, the ball boy brought me the ball. He. You Know, Dame told him to bring it to me. I thought that was cool. So it's like, you know, I thought that was pretty cool on Dame part.
Joe Ocho
But we've seen Dame explode like that. Dame got a 70 point game. Dame could have got. Cause I remember calling him. I said, bro, why you didn't. I say, why you didn't go for 80? He like, sharp. I was trying to get 80. He said, man, you saw, they started doubling. Hey. They were leaving other men wide open. They were doubling and tripling him in the back corner. But I think he end. I think he end up with like 7172. I called him, I said, you got to get 80. He said, man, I was trying, and he was cooking. And so the thing is, Joe, I think the biggest thing, Ocho and Joe, is that who did it. You're thinking somebody that's a score, that's gonna get a number like that. Because when you see numbers like that, you see David Thompson or you see Luca, you see somebody with 70, those are scores. Bam is not a score. Yeah. And he got 83, of all people.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. That's why everybody's so shocked.
Joe Ocho
Shocked.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I'm sitting here, I'm look. I'm looking across my. It came across my phone.
Joe Ocho
I'm like, he got what? A buddy of mine text me, say, dan, I said, Bam got 31 in the first quarter. I said, he'll probably end up with like 50, 55, right? He said, well, he got 40.
Shannon Sharpe
He did.
Joe Ocho
He texted me back and say, we got 43 at the half. I said, well, let's readjust that. So let's. Okay, go get at least 60. Because I'm thinking now, if you get 10 and 10, that's 20, that's 63. He said he got 62 at that. I'm like, 62 and three quarters. I said. I said, well, eight is in play now.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
And I.
Shannon Sharpe
Damn.
Joe Ocho
He sent me back. He, like, 81. And then all of a sudden, it started bubbling again, you know, like some. Another.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe Ocho
I was like, well, damn, 83.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't care how you cut a slice of fellas. That's impressive, man. Oh, yeah, that's impressive.
Joe Ocho
83 points.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, listen. Cause you know, you know, you know what, Uncle Ocho, you think about it, he really took. If he shot 40, what, three.
Joe Ocho
43 throws, right? And 43 shots.
Shannon Sharpe
He took 86 shots. He took. You got to be in shape to do that, man. Yeah, yeah.
Joe
Hey, you think he played the. He played the next game or do you rest after that?
Joe Ocho
He played tonight.
Shannon Sharpe
He played tonight.
Joe
What he had tonight? About 20.
Joe Ocho
Thank you. I think.
Shannon Sharpe
I think. I don't even think he had that for real. They won, though. They beat the buck.
Joe Ocho
I think he had. I think. I think he had like 17. I think he had like 17, Joe. Yeah, he ended with 21.
Shannon Sharpe
21. He ended with 21. Okay.
Joe
Hey. Hey, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
What's up?
Joe
Hey. They canceled the Magic City thing, man.
Shannon Sharpe
I know, bro. They still got the game. TI performing at half. I. I still got the tickets. Now. What you.
Joe
Oh, I'm coming. I am.
Daniel Jeremiah
What?
Joe
I'm coming.
Daniel Jeremiah
What you mean?
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Okay. I thought we were locked in Twin.
Joe
Yeah, I don't. I don't. Bought my little ticket off. Off of spirit. I'll be there.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I got you, man. We good.
Joe Ocho
Okay.
Joe
Okay. Okay. Yeah. You sure you don't want to join us at the game?
Shannon Sharpe
No, I don't. Got surgery, man.
Joe
He can limp out there now.
Shannon Sharpe
You need to get right so I can. So I can get him in that. Get him in that cornhole. Get him in that corn hole.
Joe
There you go. Hey, Young. There you go. Talking. There you go.
Shannon Sharpe
I just said get him in the cornhole. He won the cornhole. I want my get back in there. You know, I know he'd be at home practicing in the backyard when he out there with the dogs. I already know what's going on.
Joe Ocho
I'm trying to show you something, guys, because people.
Shannon Sharpe
What you got, man?
Joe Ocho
Put it zero in on that. When I say my buddy was texting me. Who You Could y' all see that?
Joe
Not really.
Shannon Sharpe
Damn, bro. Said no sending one and then he put 81.
Joe Ocho
And then soon it started building again. 83.
Shannon Sharpe
He said 83. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe Ocho
Guys, y' all think people. I know. Look, I know the Internet because you got AI and people lie so much, bro. I ain't got to lie. What I wanna. What? What do I get? I just want to know. Chad, tell me what to the guy wrote, tell me what I get out of my life. Oh, Joe. And I did.
Shannon Sharpe
I find.
Joe Ocho
I got another famous number. I got Justin Timberlake's number in my phone too.
Joe
Okay, Okay.
Joe Ocho
I was looking like, well, damn, I forgot I got jt, but I. I think that's the biggest thing. But check this out, Joe. Gordon Hayward said, I think Bam is one of the best two way players in the league at his position. But he's not a scorer, right? So for him to break Kobe's record, I don't think it's great. For the league, I think it's kind of highlights how they're already struggling. It kind of feels like a pickup game when you're watching. And for him to shoot 43 free throws and 22 threes, when that's not what he does, it almost feels like. And again, the Wizards, too, with all the teams tanking, it kind of makes it feel not legit. Ocho.
Joe
Joe, you see what I mean?
Wilmer Valderrama
Joe?
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey. Hey, man. Hey. Like my grandma say, if you ain't got nothing good, say, don't say nothing.
Joe Ocho
Thank you, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Nah, for real. Don't say nothing at all, man. Stop trying to diminish what this man had done. We got. We. We. We got a lot of people hating on him that I wouldn't expect the hate to be coming from, you know what I'm saying? Like, 83 is 83, bro. Like, unless he took 80 shots, you know what I'm saying? Like, the man, he. He had it going, man. He had a good night regardless. If he shot 43 free throws, so what? To get 83 points in the game, man. Like, did they file it?
Joe Ocho
The question is, I want to know, Ocho Joe. Did they file him? Were those filed? Gordon Hayward, anybody else said he shot 43 times, 43 free throws, did they foul him? That is the question. Because last I checked, when Naismith wrote it, he wrote files in there. And if you went over certain numbers, you got to shoot free throws or if you're in the. If you're in the act of shooting, you shot free throws, so. Or if you had five free throw, five files. So the question is, were they filing? Bam. Yes or no?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they were filing. They couldn't. They could not do nothing with that, man. Do you hear me? I'm talking about Uncle Ocho. The man was in his bag. Like, I knew he had a nice little handle, you know what I mean? I knew he had a nice. He looked like. I'm talking about the way he was coming down, shooting threes, getting in his bag. I'm like, hold on.
Joe Ocho
Thank you. I said the same thing. I said the same thing when they showed it, because they showed somebody, I think, what you call them, they showed all 31 of his points in the first quarter on Twitter X. And I'm like, well, damn, Bam, hold up. How you come on take three dribbles past half court and pull up from three. That ain't your game. But when you, man, look just like when you had those back to back 200 yard game, when you in that zone, ain't nothing to do.
Joe
You in there.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, look, look, look. I'm like, hold on, bro, you've been teasing us. You got all this in your bag. You give us 83. Come on.
Joe Ocho
You know, but what did he say? What did he say, Joe? He said the same thing. I think Bam is one of the best two way players in the league at his position. But he's not a scorer, you see, because of who did it. If Dame Lillard get this record, if Steph Curry, James Harden, Luca Doncic, somebody that's known for scoring, Kevin Durant, I don't think we got this. But because it's Bam, what was Bam high? This, I mean this year, Bam high this year might be 30. And to go from a high 30 to 53, to add 53 to that is just crazy.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it came, it came out of nowhere.
Joe Ocho
You look at the guys, because you look at the guys that got those numbers. Those guys are scores. Everybody that's up there, Wilt was a score will average 30 and 23 for a career. You look at, look at James Harden. It's known as a scorer. You look at David Thompson was a score. Michael Jordan High was 69 a score, Kobe's high 81 score. You look at guys that Luka Doncic is a score. Dame Lillard is a score. We look at Bam, we think that Bam is a two way player. He'll get a, he'll give you somewhere. 15 to 20 ain't gonna give you somewhere between 8 and 12 rebounds. That's what he is great two way player, can play defense can play on ball, defense can play help side defense can rebound the basketball. It's just so unlike him. Anybody him. Joel Embiid will score. We don't look at Bam as a score. And so that's what's throwing people off. But it happens sometimes. Guys have out of body experiences. Look at Flipper. If somebody said, well, who got the most receiving yards in a single game? Ocho. Hey, somebody, they're gonna say Megatron, they're gonna say Randy Moss, Jerry Wright to. It's Flip. Little old flip. Yeah. 6 foot 180.
Joe
Well, you went crazy, bro.
Joe Ocho
But I, I ain't gonna lie. I ain't losing no sleep over it. Hell, I've been, I've been watching it. I watch. I'm like, well, damn. Cause you don't know. But I, I ain't coming out. I'm good night. I'm gonna try to get 90. Keep doing what y' all doing. Yeah, that game would have just Been ended. Hey, I go get Joe Ocho, you seven points away from 90. I mean, you think. Can you imagine if that dude would have got 90? Now, I want somebody to get 90 points
Shannon Sharpe
for whatever reason. It just feel. It feels strange, but I feel like it can happen, you know, you just. That first quarter, obviously gotta be special. You know what I'm saying? That first quarter, special. If you can get 26, 30 points in the first quarter.
Joe
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Then you thinking, like, okay, boom, at half. If I could have 43, 42, 45 and half.
Joe
Yeah, you gotta. You got a good chance, bro.
Shannon Sharpe
I know.
Joe Ocho
I'm getting 50 OJo. Yeah, it's like. It's like. You remember when Tyreek. Tyreek had those 200 yards in the first and, like, five catches against Tampa?
Shannon Sharpe
I said, oh, yeah.
Joe Ocho
Oh, he about to break this. I'm thinking, he about to break the record. You got 200 and you got a whole half to go. So I just knowing, you know, it's like anything you get going and you just like, oh, yeah, it's one of those days. And you just. Look, I understand y' all can be mad all you want to guess what? I'm in the record. And look, there might be somebody. Somebody might break Wilt's record, and there might be somebody get 90 and push me down to three. And somebody might push me down. I might. At one point in 50 years from now, I might be 10. But this is what I know. I scored 83 points in an NBA game.
Shannon Sharpe
Anybody got something to say that, hey, that's nasty. Word.
Joe Ocho
Michael Porter Jr. Said, Nikola Jokic is the greatest of all time. People will say Michael Jordan just to agree, but they haven't watched film. They'll just say it to agree with everyone else. For me, with my two eyes, and from what I've seen, I'm going to say Nikola Jokic is the best player that I've ever seen from what I've seen today. And I haven't seen anybody as dominant as Yoke.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, that's saying a lot.
Joe
But who said that, Joe?
Shannon Sharpe
His ex teammate, Yokage. Ex teammate Michael Porter Jr. He played for the Brooklyn Nets.
Joe Ocho
But see, that's what happens when, like you said with his eyes. I just said, he said with his eyes. So he hadn't. He didn't see Kareem.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Out of sight, out of mind, which you ain't seen you. Yeah, he ain't see Kareem.
Joe Ocho
He ain't see Moses Malone. He ain't see Larry Bird. He ain't see Magic he ain't see Jordan. He didn't. He didn't see that.
Shannon Sharpe
No.
Joe Ocho
I can't blame him for saying what he's seen with his own two eyes. But that's what happens with youth. Because you haven't seen it, you don't think it happened.
Joe
It's on film.
Joe Ocho
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Joe
It's on film, there's footage. Everybody, everybody you see, that's the highlight.
Joe Ocho
I'm old enough to remember Kareem. I'm old enough to remember Kareem. Like I said, go back and look at Kareem numbers when he first Got to Milwaukee and when he first got to LA, look at his numbers. He was giving you 33, 34 and 16, 17 for a season. He didn't come to the all time leading score for no reason. And the third leading rebounder for no reason. A six time MVP for no reason.
Shannon Sharpe
Sky hooking you to death.
Joe Ocho
He has the most unstoppable. Everybody look. We don't seen everybody perfect. They don't. KD took dirt one legged step back. You don't see how many people hit Jordan turnaround From Kobe to LeBron to this one. Tell me the person you've seen consistently throw that sky hook. And I'm not talking about the end of the shot clock.
Shannon Sharpe
That's a hard shot to replicate. Ain't nobody doing that sky hook, boy.
Joe Ocho
That's really the only shot that. And he wasn't throwing it from two feet. He throwing it for 15, 18ft.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cash. Yeah. You couldn't stop it. You couldn't stop it, Man. The game changed so much.
Joe Ocho
It, it has, it, it has,
Shannon Sharpe
it has.
Joe Ocho
It's a different game now. And I'm not looking. I've been a Nikola Jokic fan. Everybody can know. Y' all know I've been a Jokic fan. I've been a Luka fan basically since they got to the league. And it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard. If he were to get another championship or two for Yoke to say he's not a top 10 player. It just is.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
Cause he's gonna have championships. He's already got three MVPs. He's gonna be top three for MVP for the next three, four years.
Shannon Sharpe
Years.
Joe Ocho
Now he mess around and get another one. He got four. He got a couple of championships. He got three.
Shannon Sharpe
I wonder, is it because, you know, big men, they, they kind of hard to market, you know.
Joe Ocho
You got to get me the ball, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
Big man never get no credit. We just, we forget about, we forget about Will. We forget about Mr. Russell. We forget about Kareem. The big man ain't gonna never get no. Because somebody got to get in the ball.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
When you got him that ball, he was hell, wasn't it?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah. Or, or is it, is it because the game doesn't look, you know, flamboyant enough when you playing through your bigs, you know, versus the perimeter guys, they gonna razzle dazzle you. Cross you over, step your back, you know. That's why they get all the sales when it comes to apparel and things of that sort. But you never see a big man, really, outside of Shaq, who. Who probably sold a lot of shoes. Outside of that, you don't really see big man with. With shoe deals like that.
Joe Ocho
No. Cause big, they don't. They don't. They not fancy, they don't. I mean, look at Tim Duncan. They call him the Fundamentals. He ain't do nothing. He had the same expression on his face, just bucking everybody ass. I mean, he ain't do nothing fancy. Hey, he have no finger roll. All he do glass I like, man. Damn.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
Sometimes I wish the backboard wasn't there. Damn. He going up the backboard all the time making that shot.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm telling you, man, he could.
Joe Ocho
Shh.
Shannon Sharpe
Damn, uncle, you bring back. I have flashbacks thinking about that. That man stopped me from getting a ring. I could have got me one damn Tim. Dunking ass.
Joe Ocho
But that. But that's the way it is. Because you think about it, Will got 24,000 rebounds. Y' all do realize that man averaged 24 rebounds for a career? Do y' all realize that that man averaged 24 rebounds for your career?
Shannon Sharpe
It don't even sound real.
Joe Ocho
The man never had left, never had a season with less than 17 rebounds in a season.
Joe
That's crazy.
Joe Ocho
He had a season. He had 40, average 44 and 27. That was after the year you averaged 50 and 25. Cause y' all say y' all thought I was just. So I'm not bull driving. I'm Gonna put a 44 and 27 on you.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, we're on that trajectory. I'm talking about to where, like I'm saying, I think he gonna be able to dominate Uncle Ocho. And when he really fill out to become who he's gonna be, because he ain't but, what, 23, 22?
Joe Ocho
Yeah, something like that.
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Joe
Well, he got a long way to go, bro.
Shannon Sharpe
Boy, at about 25, 26, you're gonna be here.
Joe Ocho
If he keeps grow. Yeah, he just. Just get a little strong in your lower body.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And he figured. Yeah, he figured that part out. It's gonna be a rap.
Joe
You think. You think he gonna develop like. Like Giannis? Like, get big like that?
Joe Ocho
Nah, he gonna get big like that.
Joe
Was skinny like that, too, now.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he was. He was. He was.
Joe Ocho
Yeah, but that's a lot more to fill out.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah. I don't see. With me, I think he going, he gonna get a lot stronger on Ocho, and he. You know, he might get.
Joe Ocho
He might get him stronger, he might
Shannon Sharpe
get him a little girth. On there.
Joe Ocho
But, man, just, Just so, Just so, Just so people can't move him, you know, try to play through his body and move him off his spot. Yeah, but he. People talk about the women develop the sky hook. Man, don't let that man develop no sky hook. How the hell you. Hell, you couldn't block kareems and he's 7 2. What the hell you gonna do with a man 7 4, 7 5? Throw the sky hook from nine feet high. No, but look, I. I get it because you look at Yolk and the stuff that he's doing, we. We've never seen a big man this skilled offensively that could score the basketball, could assist the basketball. There've been very few bigs that they ran the offense through. We've seen point forwards, but they run the offense through him. Yeah, he's gonna average another triple double this year.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I think it's the. It's the grace that he plays with uncle and Ojohad. He makes the game look so easy, so simple. Like, you know, it ain't. It don't even seem like he really out there trying that hard. If I'm being 100 with you, you know, when I watch him play, it's like. Cause if you give him one on one coverage, he gonna pick whoever that is guarding. He gonna pick him apart so quick. And it's like. Then if you double him, he always looking for the open man. He passed first big, who can score. You know what I mean? So it's fun to watch him. It's fun to watch him work. And he gonna be.
Joe Ocho
He gonna be.
Shannon Sharpe
He gonna be hard to stop too, man. That's why I say the west so tough. Because by the time whoever comes out of the west, they gonna be so beat up. Because from the first round all the way into the west to the finals, boy, you gonna. You gonna have head hunters on you.
Joe Ocho
You got your hands full. And the thing is, he's on pace Joe to lead the league and assist again. You know, Wilt did it many, many years ago, but this guy's leading the league in assist with. With double double digits, which is crazy.
Shannon Sharpe
It don't make no sense, man.
Joe Ocho
You know, it's crazy.
Shannon Sharpe
It don't make no sense.
Joe Ocho
Like I said, his touch around the basket is second to none. And I've seen a lot of big. I mean, so we go back to the mid-70s and come forward. I've never seen a big with that kind of touch.
Shannon Sharpe
Nah, I ain't either. I ain't either. I ain't either. Ocho. So I think for Denver, it's all about how healthy they can get or how healthy Gordon could get. Cause he's the one guy who can definitely help Murray and Jokic.
Joe Ocho
You know, when it comes to get Watson back. Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And get Watson back, they got to get them dudes back healthy.
Joe Ocho
So they get them back. They get those guys back health. It's gonna be very interesting. Cause, you know, look, come playoff time, Murray and, and, and, and, And Yoke, they're gonna be Murray and Yoke. It's Gordon. When Gordon gave you that third option. Yeah, yeah, he gave you that third option. He gonna be tough. He gonna be. He gonna be ego. He gonna be tough. He gonna be tough. They're gonna be tough to beat. Yeah. Cause yo, you know, you don't know. What do you do you let him get 50 or do you let him get 25? 30 with 20 rebounds and 15 assists.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, my God.
Joe Ocho
Cause you at his mercy.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
Like you said, they ain't got nobody. They don't have. They don't have one guy that can stop it. You got to bring the double. You got to bring help. And it just come. Now, anytime a guy gets Double Joe and you know this, it's up to the guy if they knocking down shots, usually like, well, hey, effort. We do the next game.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah.
Joe Ocho
Cause if you don't come, he gonna punish him. If you do come, he gonna kick it and the guy's knocking down shots.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. You gotta pick your poison, Lou.
Joe
Lose situation, huh?
Joe Ocho
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, that's why they, you know, a lot of teams starting to be physical with a lot of these guys too, you know, have em crying and whining to the referee got. Trying to wear him down like, man, we know we ain't gonna stop you, but if we can frustrate you and have you teed off out here to where you get a couple ignorant fouls and you had to go sit down, then we've done just as good a job. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Joe Ocho
So we'll see. The one thing we do know, he has at least five more years. Let's see what his numbers are. Let's see what he's done. Has he won more championships? Has he won more MVPs? And then we're going to have to have a serious, serious discussion because the numbers are going to warrant and the wars are going to warrant. It's just a matter of how many championships does he have? Because it's going to warrant some consideration.
Shannon Sharpe
It's going to put him at the top.
Joe Ocho
Yeah, absolutely. Because there ain't a whole lot of guy. Ain't a whole lot of guys that got. I mean, you got to go back. Only let's see, Kareem with four, with six MVPs, you got Jordan and Russell with five MVPs, and you got LeBron and. And Will with four MVPs.
Shannon Sharpe
You talking about.
Joe Ocho
Moses Malone has three, so now Magic has three, Bird has three, so now we're talking about. He already has three. Now you mess around and get him and let him get a fourth and a fifth, and he gets a couple of championships. Now what we supposed to do with that? Just ignore it. Oh, let me guess.
Shannon Sharpe
He played on the soft era.
Joe
There's always gonna be something,
Joe Ocho
So we gonna see before we move on. Joe, the social media team had this post yesterday. Look at Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
What happened, bro?
Joe
Joey.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, man, what y' all got going on?
Joe
What you doing, Joe?
Joe Ocho
Do you know anything about wrestling, Joe?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I know something about wrestling. Well, Junkyard, huh?
Joe Ocho
CM Punk did that when he beat Seth Rock. Well, he won the Bills, so he was making fun of Seth Rollins and his. And. And Becky. So they got the championship. So he's like, I got the Bills now. So that's what he was doing. So we were spoofing. We were spoofing that. And people like, man, why y' all do Joe like that? Clearly y' all not wrestling face fans. Because if you knew. If you were wrestling fans, you the new CM Punk did that. And we took that from CM Punk. Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they. They thought y'.
Joe Ocho
All. Can we pull up the clip and see your pup?
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, they thought.
Joe Ocho
There you go. You see, Joe?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah.
Joe Ocho
They thought you were trying.
Shannon Sharpe
They thought y' all were trying to put fame on the King.
Joe Ocho
Ain't nobody thought that for. You added that joke.
Shannon Sharpe
No, I'm saying. I'm saying.
Joe Ocho
I'm telling you what had no hat on.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm telling you what social media was thinking. They were thinking like, oh, man, they trying to put. They trying to put shame on the king.
Joe
Yo, you can't pro. You can't self proclaim yourself as a king. You can't do that, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, then do we have to go through this every time?
Joe
I'm just saying you can't call yourself the king. You have to be appointed.
Shannon Sharpe
I was anointed. Anointed. Ocho. You know, when I. Hey, you know, when I was in high school, this. Back in 1999, back in Little Rock, Arkansas, at D. Little Rock Central, you know, I won homecoming King Ocho. I was anointed back in the day in high school.
Joe
Real?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, man. I won homecoming king.
Joe Ocho
How you homecoming king and you don't. You don't even play football.
Shannon Sharpe
It was. I won the basketball. Homecoming king doing the game.
Joe Ocho
What kind of boy job.
Joe
Y' all ain't had a jump ball team.
Shannon Sharpe
Y' all had. Hold on, hold on. Oh. Don't act like y ain't got basketball home now.
Joe Ocho
No, we don't.
Joe
I ain't never heard that.
Shannon Sharpe
Who don't?
Joe Ocho
Because nobody but you.
Joe
Homecoming king and queen is on football night. It's a football.
Joe Ocho
Football.
Shannon Sharpe
They got a homecoming king for basketball. To know where y' all from, bro. In the sticks. I know y' all from down there.
Joe Ocho
I know.
Joe
Joe, I promise you, I've never heard of basketball. Homecoming king, queen. Now football.
Shannon Sharpe
Man, y', all, what is.
Joe Ocho
What?
Joe
Chad is different down there.
Shannon Sharpe
I need y'.
Joe Ocho
All. Chad.
Joe
Chad don't know. They don't know what your school population was about 200.
Shannon Sharpe
Chill, chill. In my class, we had no ojo. We had close to about 500 people in my high school class. Now.
Joe
Damn. And just one class.
Joe Ocho
No, not your high school. Your graduating class.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, my high school graduating class.
Joe
Nah, you mean the whole school. 500 kids,
Joe Ocho
Joe, I have never heard. Now, I don't been to a lot of places. As a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to go to the county fair. But being from the south and being on a farm, I was in 4H. I went to county fairs. I went to two goat shows on the cow show. I ain't never heard no issue like that. When you got a basketball, homecoming. I ain't never heard it. Ocho. They never heard it either.
Joe
Of fact.
Joe Ocho
Yes, it's homecoming. Man, what is wrong with y'? All? These people saying this in the chat.
Joe
No, homecoming. Homecoming for football game.
Joe Ocho
You mean. Hold on, you mean the prom? You was prom king. Now, I get it. If you say I was prom king. Because you got homecoming, you got prom. So if you say I was the prom king, okay, Joe, congratulations. You got basketball hoop.
Joe
I ain't never heard of that.
Joe Ocho
What kind of bull job is that?
Joe
I ain't never heard of that.
Shannon Sharpe
Man, y' all must grew up in some real rural areas to where y' all probably have stoplights.
Joe Ocho
Bitch, you from Little Rock, Arkansas. I know. Like he from LA or New York.
Joe
Hey, hey, matter of fact. Hey, show me a picture, Joe. Show me a picture. You want homecoming king?
Shannon Sharpe
I'm gonna show you. I ain't got one.
Joe Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
Joe
No, he's trying to use AI. You think you slick. Hey, he gonna use AI and try to cream one.
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, you think I'll sit here and lie to you, bro, that's the last thing I'm gonna do. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.
Joe Ocho
Like I said, pro. If you say, hey, Ocho, you know your boy. You know your boy? Yeah, I'm king.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
I've been at this king thing for a minute now. This ain't the first time I've been ignored.
Shannon Sharpe
The king.
Joe Ocho
They crowned me the king for the prom. Okay. You know your boy played a little football. I was the quarterback. I was a wide receiver. I was homecoming king. Gotcha.
Shannon Sharpe
So y' all trying to.
Joe
Nah, something ain't right. Something ain't adding up.
Shannon Sharpe
Dang, boy. Hey, boy. These people gonna talk about y'?
Wilmer Valderrama
All?
Joe
Not really.
Joe Ocho
Maybe. Maybe. Maybe y' all had a nice little pep rally. Y' all used to do it. Y' all had a pep rally, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, man, we used to have pep rally. Come on, man. Y' all don't try to play us like that. I'm just saying,
Joe
if you had a basketball, homecoming, ain't no telling what else y' all had.
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. So listen, when y' all tell me when these colleges, they have football homecoming, y' all do know they have a basketball. Basketball homecoming, too, right?
Joe Ocho
Not by mine either, y'.
Shannon Sharpe
All. Man, well, y' all stop playing crazy.
Joe
I promise you.
Joe Ocho
So y' all got a baseball homecoming, too? Track homecoming?
Joe
No.
Joe Ocho
So what we stopping it at?
Joe
You gotta stop somewhere.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, man, y' all gotta chill, bro.
Joe Ocho
Hey, I didn't joke every. They had a wrestling, homecoming, football, homecoming, basketball, homecoming, soccer, baseball.
Shannon Sharpe
Wow. That's crazy.
Joe
Maybe small areas that do that, Joe. Maybe a small area.
Joe Ocho
No, maybe so.
Joe
Not down here in Miami.
Joe Ocho
Not that I know.
Shannon Sharpe
Look, the chat telling y', all, both they telling.
Joe
I mean, the people in the chat that are saying both are probably from small rural areas like. Like Arkansas.
Joe Ocho
Yeah, I mean, they probably. Yeah, they probably had a black and a white homecoming queen. Okay, I get it.
Joe
Yeah.
Joe Ocho
Wow.
Joe
Hey, Joe.
Joe Ocho
Black and white proms. I mean, y', all. Y', all. Y'.
Shannon Sharpe
All. Hey, listen, listen. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Y' all want to put a stain on my crown so bad.
Joe
Put no stain on that. We just saying there's no way you want.
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, I done figured y' all out. I done figured y' all out. Boy, y' all want to put a stain on your boy so bad.
Joe Ocho
Y' all good. We good.
Joe
We good. Joe, I ain't even went homecoming king. So I know you ain't win when you was playing what, in high school?
Wilmer Valderrama
No, Oto.
Shannon Sharpe
Oto, hold on. I'm gonna have to get my. Hold on. I'm gonna have to get my stuff together on y'. All.
Joe
Get it, Joe. Get it, Joe. Like, I. I ain't went home. Coming king. I. I won Class clown. I won that.
Joe Ocho
Hey, they got that one right all
Joe
the way through the NFL. What you see is what you get.
Shannon Sharpe
Damn.
Joe Ocho
No, I didn't went home grumpy. I was Mr. Scene.
Joe
What that meant.
Brianna Stewart
Who
Joe Ocho
Most likely to succeed. That's what that means. No, I won Mr. Senior. You had a Mr. When you're in your graduating class, you had a Mr. And Mr. C. Mr. And Miss. You had a Most likely to Succeed. You had most talented. You had all guess who got most likely to yearbook.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
Joe
Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Hold on. So tell me something. Did y' all have a. Did y' all have, like, a senior banquet and all that?
Joe Ocho
Yeah, okay.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a senior banquet.
Joe
Did you have a senior trip? Y' all had a senior trip?
Joe Ocho
Yes. I didn't. What was I. Oh, Joe. Where was I gonna go?
Joe
Where I was gonna get money, Joe, Y' all had a senior trip. I ain't go though where they went. Ours went to Disney World or Disneyland, whichever one is out here.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it was. It was. So it was somewhere like that.
Joe Ocho
We went on a cruise. Cruise. So what was. Like, what was I gonna use for luggage? Pick the weekly bags and no suitcase. The hell I look like going to the cruise with. With grocery bags? Come on, now. Yeah, I got my. I got my book. I can bring it to you. Most likely to succeed, Most athletic.
Shannon Sharpe
That's what I'm gonna do. I had to get my yearbook.
Joe Ocho
Superlatives in Glenville history. It can never be broken because it's not a high school anymore. I'm the only athlete to win most MVP in basketball, football, track and senior athlete. Damn. I'm the only one that did it. Sweet steaks. Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, that's impressive. I ain't gonna lie to you. Sweet stakes, that's impressive.
Joe Ocho
But I still ain't heard of the home basketball man.
Shannon Sharpe
Y', all, this is what is crazy.
Joe
Self proclaimed king. Child, please.
Shannon Sharpe
You know, you don't see the chat. The chat Vouching it for everything I'm saying.
Joe
Nah, the chat,
Joe Ocho
they said both.
Shannon Sharpe
They say it's a. It's a football, homecoming and a basketball home.
Joe Ocho
Now we're gonna close the chat. Let's go close.
Joe
Yeah, we got the poll up.
Joe Ocho
Hey, hey, hey. I detected a voter fraud, so we about to close the chat.
Joe
Damn.
Shannon Sharpe
What's up? What's up, fellas? Y' all straight?
Joe
Are we good, Joe?
Joe Ocho
Okay, we put everything good, Joe. Nearly four years to the day, the last appearance in his NBA game, Dwight Howard is officially retiring from professional basketball. Joe Ocho, you first, Joe. Where do you rank Dwight?
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, I got him as far as centers. He up there, bro. He up there. He. I. I had a chance to play against him in a. In a couple playoff series to where it was nothing we could do, bro.
Joe Ocho
We.
Shannon Sharpe
We had to let the man like, we had to play them straight up. Cause they were so good. This the year they went to the finals. They beat us that year, but then the following year we beat them. But he was so dominant, like I'm talking about, like to the point. Defensively, he could anchor the defense by himself. He was crazy athletic at 6:11, jumping out the gym like that. Like, defensively, bro, he just wrecked the game. It was just. It was special to watch, you know.
Joe Ocho
But you talking about.
Joe
Hey, Joe, this Orlando Magic, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah.
Joe Ocho
Quarterback.
Shannon Sharpe
He used to get to it. Boy, he had everything he added, you know, he came into the league, not really a score, just a, you know, rim runner. And then he developed, you know, developed some post moves down in the post. Unke Ocho to where he was effective. And next thing you know, he was unstoppable. He was unstoppable, bro. He had a good career. He had a great career, actually. He a Hall of Famer.
Joe Ocho
The only thing I say, they did him wrong. He deserves to be one of those top 75 players. There are some guys that got on there and I love. I think Anthony Davis is phenomenal. But Anthony Davis has not had a better career than Dwight Howard. When they selected his team, he didn't.
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
Joe Ocho
I'm sorry, guys. And that's not. And I respectfully.
Shannon Sharpe
And I.
Joe Ocho
And I think. I think. I think Anthony Davis is a phenomenal player. And he's. He's get gotten and earned everything that he deserves. Dwight Howard is one of the 75 best players in NBA history. His resume, the defensive player of the years, the all NBA selections. He finished second in the MVP voting. He anchored a team that went to the NBA finals. They lost to Kobe. But Dwight Howard is a top 75 player.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. Now look, absolutely.
Joe Ocho
We start talking about centers. You got Shaq and you got Kareem. You got Mr. Russell, you got Wilt Mose Malone. Yoke. No, I ain't taking the beat over him.
Joe
What do you rank him on? What do you rank, Dwight? I'm trying to get the greatest.
Joe Ocho
Kareem. Mr. Russell, Will Shaq, Moses Malone, Nicola Jokic. That's six there.
Joe
What you put him at, like seventh or eighth?
Shannon Sharpe
It's sinners.
Joe Ocho
Yeah, I'm thinking so. Ocho. Oh, no, no, no, no. He down. Hakeem. What the hell? Yeah, what the hell, man? Come on.
Shannon Sharpe
Dave Robinson. You put Dave Robinson.
Joe Ocho
David Robinson.
Joe
Yeah, you forgot. But Tim Duncan considers powerful.
Shannon Sharpe
You're four power four.
Joe Ocho
Okay. Yeah, man. I don't know. You haven't lost my damn mind,
Shannon Sharpe
so.
Joe Ocho
Yeah, I, I think you, I think you're a top 10 center. I think I give him top 10. Yeah, yeah, he ain't in the top five.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he had a, he had a good career.
Joe Ocho
Ocho, it's time to play a fade presented by prize picks. Oh, okay. Damn. What anim. All right. Joe Dejante, Murray, 2111 half points and assist. So when you combine points and assists, he'll have at least 21 and a half.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, hold on, hold on. D. Murray, he been out there acting a little different.
Joe Ocho
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Standing over folks and all kind of miss. Ain't it bad? Ain't a man. Hey, look, look, I, I, I like his energy. I say he gonna be over there. He ready. Hey, look, he down for whatever putting. He over there. Uncle Ocho. Points and assists. Yeah, yeah, he getting to it. He ain't playing.
Joe Ocho
Derek Queen, two and a half assists.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I like big fella. He can pass that thing. He got nice deal for the game. He could pass at Ocho as a center. He, he bring the ball up the court sometime. Kind of like Jokic, you know, they start the offense with him. Yeah.
Joe Ocho
Kevin Durant will have at least 25 and a half points.
Shannon Sharpe
Who they playing? Oh, they playing.
Joe Ocho
I think they playing the Pelicans, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they playing the Pelicans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here. Yeah, he'll get on some work.
Joe Ocho
And last but not least, Portland versus Utah. Robert Williams, seven and a half rebounds.
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on, Robin. Robin ball. I've been checking him out. He only thing is, is he starting? I think he coming off the bench.
Joe Ocho
I think he does, too.
Shannon Sharpe
Seven and a half rebound. That's a lot. But I ain't gonna lie. He been putting up some. Yeah, some decent numbers. Can you click what he had the last couple games? Give me something. Give us some information. Give us a lifeline or something. Come.
Joe Ocho
On.
Shannon Sharpe
I know they normally tell you.
Joe Ocho
10 rebounds, 7 rebounds, 8 rebounds. 11 rebounds. 6 rebounds. 14 rebounds.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, that boy eating glass.
Joe
Hey, but he living under that goddamn glass.
Shannon Sharpe
That boy eating glass. They playing Utah. Utah ain't playing nobody.
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Joe
Hey, hey, Uncle Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
What's happening?
Joe
Hey, my. My bus came in.
Shannon Sharpe
What bus?
Joe
My bus. You know, I told you I made.
Shannon Sharpe
I made my own bus. Man, that's hard.
Joe Ocho
Let me see that. Put it closer.
Joe
Hey, you know, I had to make.
Joe Ocho
Put it closer in the camera.
Joe
You can't see it. Hey, hey, hey, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
I like it, bro.
Joe
Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. This metallic. Metallic. 14 karat gold.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, that's fire.
Joe
But let me tell you something, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
Go ahead.
Joe
Sometimes, sometimes we don't invite you to sit at the table, you know, Joe, you gotta create your own table, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
Hello. Hello.
Joe Ocho
I don't know what kind of gold that is, but you holding it pretty steady. Cause if that's gold, if that was real gold, boy, there ain't no way you holding it like that.
Joe
No, it's heavy, Unc. It's heavy. It's metallic gold flakes, Joe.
Joe Ocho
So it's gold flake. It's not full 14 karat?
Joe
Oh, no. Cause then it would distort. It would distort, you know. But hey, it looked just like me. Don't.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, they did a good job, bro.
Joe Ocho
They did a good job.
Joe
Hey, Joe.
Joe Ocho
Hold on, Joe.
Joe
Look at the side profile, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
Let me check it out. Oh, yeah. He got that head, boy, that dome. You see, they got you right?
Joe
It looked like me, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they got you right, bro.
Joe
Hey, Joe. So I'm gonna have it sitting back there. And then, you know the jacket, you know the jacket I had on when I scold and I put the whole jacket on. I'm gonna frame that up and have it sitting in the background with all of my war.
Shannon Sharpe
Joe, man, that's gonna be fire.
Joe
All right. Yeah, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, this one on one, Joe, I had. I had to make. I had to make my own, you know.
Joe Ocho
My 5,900 went.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, man,
Joe
you good.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Where we at? That's three years. That man owing you.
Joe
God, I got him, Joe. Hey, I'm telling you what my grandma told me.
Shannon Sharpe
You say that for three years.
Joe
Hey, hey, hey, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
I thought we had got past that. That's all I'm saying, Joe.
Joe
Long As I long as I owe him, he'll never be broke, huh?
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. Yeah.
Joe
You know, so anytime it's an emergency situation, you know, you break the glass. Yeah, break the glass. I got you.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
Joe Ocho
Yeah. Hey, Joe, the chance, say, OO went to the same people to do his statue that D. Wade got.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, man. Come on, man.
Joe
Nah, Jody look just like me.
Shannon Sharpe
Nah. Yo, hey, yo, yo, yo, yo.
Joe
Hold on, hold on, hold. Hey, Joe. Hey, the chat maker. Hey, Ash. Ash, you can show you. I'm gonna show you the picture I use. I was young. I was young, too. Hey, hey, Ash, can you show the side by side of the. Of the picture and the statue so the people can see?
Joe Ocho
I sent it.
Joe
I sent it to you. I texted to you. It's probably too late to put up, huh?
Joe Ocho
Yeah, that's the same. That's the same one. Whoever did this.
Joe
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, Joe.
Joe Ocho
See the chat.
Joe
Chat trying to make it.
Joe Ocho
Whoever did D. Wade hooked up. Ocho.
Brianna Stewart
Nah.
Joe Ocho
Cause they right down there in Miami. So it was a two for one.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm saying you can't. You can't get that wrong, man.
Joe Ocho
That's.
Shannon Sharpe
Come on, man.
Joe
Hey, Joe. Yeah, see, I use a younger picture.
Joe Ocho
That look like Richard Jefferson.
Joe
Hey, That look just like.
Brianna Stewart
Look.
Joe
Look at the side by side, Joe.
Joe Ocho
Let me see.
Joe
You see?
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, boy, that.
Joe
Yeah, it looks just like me. I just use a younger.
Joe Ocho
Why you use a younger picture, Ocho? You ain't look like that in 25 years.
Joe
Yeah, but I wanted to use the picture when I was sexy.
Joe Ocho
See this?
Joe
Hey, Joe, this the picture, right?
Joe Ocho
Yeah, but people gonna look at you and look at you now. O. Joe, you gotta use more updated pictures.
Joe
Nah, but, but, but, hey, but, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, Unc. This is when I was the sexiest man of the year.
Joe Ocho
I get that, but that was 20 years ago. People looking at you now, right?
Joe
Yeah, but I don't want them to worry about. I want my best version of me. I want my bus to be the best version of me. I was sexy. I was a sex symbol back then, Joe.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I see what you got going on.
Joe
I ain't want to use the old me.
Joe Ocho
The old me, the catfishing people.
Joe
Nah, but hey, chat. Y' all making jokes. You see that? That's me. That's me there.
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Joe
We got the.
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Joe Ocho
Okay.
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Come check this.
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Date: March 15, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (Ocho), Joe Johnson
Episode Focus: Part 1 | NBA’s Hottest News, Feats & Legacy Debates
This episode digs into the most explosive NBA headlines of the week, especially Bam Adebayo’s historic 83-point game, NBA fans’ reactions and the culture of “hating,” perceptions of star legacy moments (with a heavy focus on Kobe Bryant), changing standards for greatness, and big-man dominance. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe’s sharp, funny, and candid banter makes it an unfiltered roundtable on basketball's most jaw-dropping nights and the ongoing GOAT debates.
| Time | Segment/Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------| | 02:56 | Bam drops 83, public reaction begins | | 04:43 | Kobe’s fans react, legacy discussions | | 06:22 | Spoelstra’s coaching, force-feeding, comparison to NFL | | 10:10 | If LeBron or others broke Kobe’s 81, would reaction change| | 14:09 | Wizards defense, quarter-by-quarter breakdown | | 23:46 | Celebrating history; "if I’m Bam, I’m trying to get 90" | | 25:57 | NFL milestone analogies | | 34:04 | Gordon Hayward critique, "pickup game" feel | | 40:58 | Michael Porter Jr. calls Jokic the GOAT | | 46:26 | Kareem, Jokic, and big men’s underappreciation | | 66:53 | Dwight Howard’s retirement, ranking all-time centers | | 73:09 | Statue reveal, Ocho “creates his own table” | | 59:00 | Homecoming King story, southern schools debate |
For listeners:
If you missed this episode, expect laughter, passionate sports arguments, and plenty of perspective on why basketball’s biggest nights deserve respect—no matter who put the ball in the basket.