Best of NBA News Part 1: STOP HATING on Bam's 83! Superman TOP 10? & Jokic better than MJ!

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Best of NBA News Part 1: STOP HATING on Bam's 83! Superman TOP 10? & Jokic better than MJ!

Date: March 15, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (Ocho), Joe Johnson
Episode Focus: Part 1 | NBA’s Hottest News, Feats & Legacy Debates

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Main Theme/Overview

This episode digs into the most explosive NBA headlines of the week, especially Bam Adebayo’s historic 83-point game, NBA fans’ reactions and the culture of “hating,” perceptions of star legacy moments (with a heavy focus on Kobe Bryant), changing standards for greatness, and big-man dominance. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe’s sharp, funny, and candid banter makes it an unfiltered roundtable on basketball's most jaw-dropping nights and the ongoing GOAT debates.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Game: Why So Much Hate?

• Bam’s Performance Breakdown: Bam Adebayo's 83-point game against the Washington Wizards is dissected—highlighting his 46 free throws, 43 shots, and the rarity of a mid-tier scorer achieving a feat thought possible only for superstars (02:56).
• Skepticism & Kobe’s Legacy: Much of the fan base and even ex-players minimize Bam’s achievement due to opponent quality, game extension by fouling, and “out of respect for Kobe” (04:43).
• Shannon’s Take:
  • “You had to pick a side. You celebrated or you audited… Many are discrediting it because the opponent, the Wizards, are the second worst in the East. Others are discrediting it because the Heat had fouled late in the fourth quarter to help extend the game… But that takes a lot of stamina, man. Huge accomplishment.” – Shannon (02:56)
• Ocho’s Perspective:
  • “If Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him. Kobe would be happy for him. The fact that he had 81 point game, but only three people have scored 80 points. Wilt, Kobe, and Bam. And Kobe would have been happy for him.” (04:43)
  • Both Shannon and Ocho challenge the idea that Kobe “ownership” of 80+ points should limit celebration of others’ greatness.

Notable Quotes:

• "Kobe had a chance...there are games that Kobe had 60 plus and he came out in the third quarter...I like Spo...let's see how many we can get him. It happens." – Shannon (06:22)
• "83 effin’ points...We gotta stop this, man." – Shannon (07:11)

NBA Culture & Fans:

• Goalpost Moving:
  "They move the goal post. Maybe because it’s Bam. Maybe if it’s Anthony Edwards, maybe nobody will be complaining." – Greg (09:53)
• Kobe Fans React:
  “Kobe fans are unbearable...” – Shannon (05:28)

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2. The Rarity – A Role Player’s Ceiling Shattered

• Surprise Factor: Emphasis on Bam’s prior career high being low 30s, making his 83 historic, if not downright surreal. No one expected it from Bam and that's part of the discomfort.
  • “When you see numbers like that, you see David Thompson, Luka, or somebody with 70—those are scorers. Bam is NOT a scorer.” – Shannon (30:21)
• Force Feeding Critique: The panel acknowledges the Heat "force-feeding" Bam but doesn't see it as unethical—"I’m cool with that. Like, man, 83 points, bro. Come on..." – Joe Johnson (13:45)
• Wizards’ Defense: The panel humorously notes the Wizards should’ve locked in once Bam hit 31 in Q1. "That’s the time that you say, you know what? You ain’t doing no more." – Shannon (09:27)
• Historical Perspective: Comparison to Wilt's 100, Kobe’s 81, and other "outlier" historic feats.

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3. Celebrating vs. Diminishing Big Achievements

• Comparisons to NFL Stat Chasing
  • “If somebody break the record...I was the first guy to rush for 300 yards in an NFL game.” – Shannon (25:57)
  • Hosts compare how milestone chasing is celebrated in the NFL, suggesting double standards with NBA accomplishments.
• The Importance of Seizing Historical Moments
  • “If I’m Bam, I got 83. I ain’t coming out. I’m trying to get 90.” – Shannon (26:33)
  • “History. I still think about it today.” – Shannon (25:33)
• Force Feeding & Team Support:
  “Teammates understood. Spo told him, let’s see how far he can take it.” – Shannon (23:49)

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4. Social Media & Player Attitudes

• Social Media Overreaction:
  “I was happy...Then I go on Twitter...people writing think-pieces and defending Kobe.” – Greg (08:26)
• Kobe’s Mentality vs. Fans’ Mentality
  • “All those who are Kobe fans…they don’t have Kobe’s mentality.” – Ocho (11:05)
  • “Kobe would have been pissed had Bam come out of the game with 80 or tied him at 81. Nah.” – Shannon (10:57)

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5. Noteworthy Player and Coach Takeaways

• Eric Spoelstra Defends Bam:
  • “I’m not losing sleep over what people are saying, what’s ethical or not… I would do it 10 times out of 10 again for Bam. I’m apologizing to nobody about this.” (12:47)
  • “I think most of the people that made comments didn’t watch the game. That’s irresponsible, unethical.” – Spo, read by Shannon (12:47)
• Gordon Hayward’s Lukewarm Praise:
  “But he’s not a scorer, right? So for him to break Kobe’s record, I don’t think it’s great for the league… it almost feels like a pickup game when you’re watching." – Read by Shannon (34:04)

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6. Changing Definitions of Greatness/Legacy (Jokic, Dwight Howard)

• Nikola Jokic: GOAT Conversation?
  • Michael Porter Jr.: "Nikola Jokic is the greatest of all time. People will say Michael Jordan just to agree, but they haven’t watched film.” – Read by Joe (40:58)
  • Facts vs. Recency Bias:
    • “He [Porter] hadn’t seen Kareem, Moses, Bird, Magic, Jordan…” – Shannon (41:37)
    • “I can’t blame him for saying what he’s seen with his own two eyes…” – Shannon (41:50)
  • Big Men’s Underappreciation:
    “The big man ain’t ever gonna get no trouble because somebody gotta get him the ball. When you got him that ball, he was hell, wasn’t he?” – Shannon (48:31)
• Dwight Howard Retires: Is 'Superman' Top 10 All-Time Center?
  • “He up there, bro…Playoff series to where it was nothing we could do… He just wrecked the game.” – Joe Johnson (66:53)
  • "Dwight Howard is one of the 75 best players in NBA history…When they selected this team, he didn’t [make it].” – Shannon (68:00)
  • Discussion of where Howard ranks among centers: consensus top-10 all time at his position, not top 5 (69:46).

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7. Lighter Moments & Memorable Banter

• Career Highs and Out-of-Body Performances:
  • Joe Johnson tells a story about his own 20k-point milestone, Dame Lillard’s 62-point game, and marveling at statistical outliers (28:48).
• Homecoming King Jokes:
  • Extended, hilarious debate about whether “basketball homecoming king” is a real thing, with Ocho skeptical and Joe Johnson defending his southern upbringing ("They had a basketball homecoming king during the game!" – Joe, 59:00).
• Statue Segment: Ocho debuts a bust of himself (metallic gold!), and the crew jokes about its likeness (73:09).
  • “Sometimes, when they don’t invite you to sit at the table…you gotta create your own table, Joe.” – Greg (73:42)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------| | 02:56 | Bam drops 83, public reaction begins | | 04:43 | Kobe’s fans react, legacy discussions | | 06:22 | Spoelstra’s coaching, force-feeding, comparison to NFL | | 10:10 | If LeBron or others broke Kobe’s 81, would reaction change| | 14:09 | Wizards defense, quarter-by-quarter breakdown | | 23:46 | Celebrating history; "if I’m Bam, I’m trying to get 90" | | 25:57 | NFL milestone analogies | | 34:04 | Gordon Hayward critique, "pickup game" feel | | 40:58 | Michael Porter Jr. calls Jokic the GOAT | | 46:26 | Kareem, Jokic, and big men’s underappreciation | | 66:53 | Dwight Howard’s retirement, ranking all-time centers | | 73:09 | Statue reveal, Ocho “creates his own table” | | 59:00 | Homecoming King story, southern schools debate |

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Notable Quotes

• “You think it’s easy? Go shoot 80 and go shoot…” – Shannon (11:13)
• “I don’t care how you cut or slice it, fellas. That’s impressive, man.” – Joe Johnson (31:23)
• “Kobe would have been pissed had Bam come out of the game with 80 or tied him at 81. Nah.” – Shannon (10:57)
• “You gotta pick your poison…if you don’t double him, Jokic gonna give you 50; if you double, he’s kicking it.” – Joe Johnson (54:45)
• “When you got him that ball, he was hell, wasn’t he?” – Shannon on big men (48:31)
• “Dwight Howard is a top 75 player. When they selected this team, he didn’t [make it].” – Shannon (68:00)

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Takeaways

• Celebrate history, don’t diminish it: Bam’s 83-point game is rare, and should be honored, not nitpicked.
• Context matters, but so does achievement: Whether force-fed, against weak opponents, or not a “true scorer,” these feats are still monumental.
• Legacy debates will always be subjective: Recency bias, media narratives, and fandom color perceptions of “greatness.”
• Give big men their due: The NBA’s best centers, from Wilt to Jokic, have too often been underappreciated compared to flashier guards.
• Banana-peeling podcast energy: In between serious takes, Shannon and co. keep things lively with jokes, personal stories, and locker-room banter.

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For listeners:
If you missed this episode, expect laughter, passionate sports arguments, and plenty of perspective on why basketball’s biggest nights deserve respect—no matter who put the ball in the basket.

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Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. Oh, ocho. Bam. Historic 83.9 against the wizard last night presented fans with a choice of force aside. Look, you had to pick a side. You celebrated or you audited. Many are discrediting it because the opponent, the Wizards, are the second worst in the East. Others are discrediting it because the Heat had filed late in the fourth quarter to help extend the game. Kobe took 46 shots in his legendary game, three more than Bam. And made 18 or 20 free throws. Bam. Took 46 free throws to Kobe's 20. Bam. Pierce came to his defense, KD said. I looked at the stat sheet, it was pretty crazy. 40 shots, 40 free throws, 20 threes. But that takes a lot of stamina, man. Huge accomplishment. It will be something we talk about forever, Yana says. It doesn't matter how you got there. All that matters is that you got it look like in 10, 20, 30 years from now, no one's going to remember how many free throws he shot. I don't think anyone remember how many shots Kobe shot or how many free throws or he made or how many threes. All you remember is 83. Toronto Raptors record. When Kobe broke his record, they were 14 and 26 at the time. On January 22, 2006, the 12th worst in the E. There was 12th in the East. 4th worst there was 12th in the East. 14 4th worst in the East. So what you thinking? Oo because a lot of people, everybody talking about, man, out of respect for Kobe, he should have stopped it for 81. Y' all know the way y' all talk about Kobe, is that what.

[Joe]

Hey, you know what? I'm. I'm glad you just said that. The first thing, the first thing when I, when I watched Twitter, when I seen some of the Stuff on Instagram is if Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him. Kobe would be happy for him. And all the people, all the people taking up for. For Kobe or. Or doing exactly what he wouldn't do. So I understand. I understand. We are real Kobe fans. We love him. The fact that he had 81 point game, but only three people have scored 80 points. Wilt Kobe and Bam. And Kobe would have been happy for him. We know how he is. He celebrated everybody, especially when they hit a milestone of this magnitude, regardless of how you got it, it's still 83 points. It's the way three points. And some people. And this is one one of the few times I don't understand why don't. Why, why don't we celebrate things like this?

[Joe Ocho]

I'm not Kobe fans.

[Joe]

That too. I'm not much of a basketball fan.

[Joe Ocho]

That's not the record when Kobe scored 81. That the. The record is a hundred. So somebody needs to score 101 or more points to have the record. And 81 is not the record. I don't get it. Oh, it's like anything. Sometimes people break records and it takes some more games. Like when O.J. simpson broke the record. He broke the record in 14 games. Eric Dickinson broke the record in 16 games. Somebody's going to come along. If they break the record, it's going to take 17 games. So whatever record happens moving forward. And this is what they try to do to Miles. They're like, well, he did it in 17 games. Is the NFL record sack record. That is the record. But this notion. And I saw when they announced it in. In the fan, in the state, in the Crip, they were booing. Why? Yeah, I don't care if. Yes. See this? Kobe had a chance because there are games that Kobe had 60 plus and he came out in the third quarter. I like spoke supposed say the way he had it going. I wasn't even thinking about taking him out. And I instructed, I instructed the team, let's see how many we can get him. It happens. Oh, you having a good game? The. The game Tio had that was on Jerry Rice's day. 20 catches, Brandon Marshall, 21 catches. Josh McDaniel says, hey, we gonna lose this game, but we gonna get you the record. I don't have a problem with it, Guy. Come on, man. We gotta stop this, man. It's 83 effing points. And I get it. That Bam is probably the unlikeliest guy. If you'd have thought somebody will get it. You say Luca. Yeah. Donovan Mitchell you say Dame Lillard. You saying somebody like that, that's going to make 10, 12, 15 threes. You not thinking no Bam out of bio. Bam. I don't even think Bam is averaging 20 points. If you go back and look at the guys that got those kind of numbers that all those guys at the high 20s, even 30s. Luca's been in the 30s. J. Dave Lillard has averaged 30, Kobe averaged 35. So when you see will average 50 in a game, 44 in a game, 38 in the game. So if somebody like that we're. I think it's because he's so unlikely to have done something like this. He does. I mean and you look at him, he's not, he's never. I don't even know if he's ever scored 50 in a game. I don't even know if he's ever scored 40 in a game. To go from your high being something in the 30s to all the way to 80s, that is crazy.

[Joe]

It was dope to me. It was dope to see. I didn't, I didn't believe the stat line when I first saw it. I, I thought, I thought it was, thought it was AI. You know, when I saw the 80.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then I, I saw go across the, the ticker on ESP and I'm like, oh man, that's dope. That's. That, that is dope. And I, I was happy. I was hyped. And then I go on Twitter.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm like, well, God damn. People writing think pieces and, and defending Kobe.

[Joe Ocho]

This, this 83 is different. This 83 is different than Kobe's 81. Kobe did, bro. It's 83. It's 80 points. And I mean I think the thing is oho is somebody that they can. They got a career high of 75 yards and all of a sudden they have a 300 yard game. You're like how do you get a 300 yard game? The most you ever receiving yard you ever had in the game was 75. And now you got 300, you jump. So you jump over 150, 200, 250 to go from 75 to 3. And I think that's what it is because. And the amount of free throws. I think the most free throw somebody ever shot in the game was probably what 38, I think Dwight, how we shot that many? I mean check, check me for. But 46 free throws and they was, they was trying not to. I mean I saw, I saw clips and they got three people on him and they don't want him to get it.

[Joe]

Hey, that's crazy.

[Joe Ocho]

Y' all should have thought about that earlier before you let the man get 31 in the first quarter. How about that? Then that's the time that you say, you know what? You ain't no more, bro. You let the man get 36 of the quarter. I mean, 31 and a quarter. Then you let him get another 12. So he got 43. Now you let him get another 19. So now you. Not. Now you're gonna get in trouble, and you let him get 21 in the fourth.

[Joe]

That's. I. I don't. I don't. I don't understand it. I mean, it. It's as if. I mean, it's still basketball. It's still the NBA. It is the best. And then, you know, they move the goal post. They move the goal post. Maybe because it's Bam. Maybe. Maybe if it's Anthony Edwards, maybe nobody would be complaining.

[Joe Ocho]

I guarantee. I bet your doorknob to a bucket of common Ocho, had he. If LeBron had 81 and Bam broke that, what you think the discourse would be on the Internet? How many people we throw in a ticker tape parade that have been applauding? You know that, and I know that. That's why you're smiling. You know that. But because it was Kobe, Kobe would. Kobe would have applauded this man. Oh, hold on. Y' all don't remember when Kobe dropped 55 on Jordan and he idolized Jordan? How can he do his idol like that? Because Kobe said he would want it. No other way. Kobe, I believe Kobe would have been pissed had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Had.

[Joe Ocho]

Had Bam come out of the game with 80 or tie with him at 81? Nah. Hell no. If I'm smoke, I'm leaving him in the game. I will see if he can get 90.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Joe Ocho]

I will see if he. I'm honestly going to see if he can get 90 points.

[Joe]

Funny thing about it is, all those that are Kobe fans, they have a right to be Kobe fans, but they don't have Kobe's mentality. They don't have that.

[Joe Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

They don't have mentality.

[Joe Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

You know how he operates. You know how he thinks, and you know that he would have actually wanted that.

[Joe Ocho]

Of course. And look, that man. Look, I don't know how you feel, Ocho, but I know if I got. Let's just say that the record is339.339, or336.336 by flip flip Anderson got the record. Ocho. You Mean to tell me I don't give a damn if it's a meaningless game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, Shannon, you got 334. What you want to do? I want to go back. Hey, let them score a touchdown and let me get back in there and get 337. That's what you do. Are you something. Something needs to happen that I need to get back on the field and throw and, and let me get. And let me break this record. 83 points. Ocho. 83. I mean, I'm just thinking. I like man and like KD saying do think about it. That man shot the ball 43 times and then he took another 43 free throw attempts. He took 22 three point attempts. Do you know how much stamina it takes to run up and down the court in this to shoot? I tell you what, you think it's easy? Just, hey, just get you a nice little job and go shoot. 80 and go shoot.

[Joe]

Oh, he in good shape now.

[Joe Ocho]

And 22 of me.

[Joe]

He in good shape now. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

That's what makes Steph Curry so spectacular. Think about how much money he does and then how many threes he get up. Congratulations, Bam. I didn't think. I mean, look, and like I said, because he's so unlikely, if Dame Lillard did that, you wouldn't think anything else. All right, Joe, this is going to be right up your alley. He head coach exposter broke the people criticizing Bam out of bios historic 83 point game. Spo said, I'm not losing sleep over what people are saying, what's ethical or not. I would do it 10 times out of 10 again for Bam. I'm apologizing to nobody about this. I think, I think most of the people that probably made comments, they didn't watch the game. That's irresponsible, unethical. You don't even understand the context of the game. Joe, take it away, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, I'm with Spo Man. Apologizing for what, man? That man had 31 in the first quarter. Uncle Ocho. Hey, look, you probably look up, you probably thinking to yourself, ooh, I got 31 in the first quarter. Oh, we. I'm for sure gonna get 50 today.

[Joe Ocho]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? I kind of got this thing going then, you know, once you get to a certain point, your teammate's gonna start gravitating trying to help you out. That's just part of it, bro.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I mean? And I think that's why it took such criticism, because of how he got it meaning like how they were kind of basically force feeding him. But I'm cool with that. Like, man, 83 points, bro. Come on, RKO. Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, hold on. So they talk about, oh, the weather's not any good. They make it seem the Wizards ain't been good all year. The wizard ain't been good since they were the Bullets, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Ocho]

Wasn't it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we.

[Joe Ocho]

And the thing is, like I said, Joe, he had 31 in the first quarter, then he get another 12. I got 43 at the half. At worst case scenario, I'm getting 60.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hold on. Yeah, you think it's 60.

[Joe Ocho]

You got. Hold on, Joe. Joe, I got. I got 19. And third, I got 62. Now with 12 minutes to play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm thinking about catching. COVID I don't.

[Joe Ocho]

Thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm thinking. Hey, hey, hey. I'm thinking. Now I'm thinking Kobe had 81. I got 62 with 12 minutes. Hey, boy. And with a little help from my teammate.

[Joe Ocho]

Sh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm out there like Bam playing wide receiver.

[Joe Ocho]

They got three dudes guarding. Hey, hey, hey. I ain't playing no defense. All I do is snowball. I'm cherry picking. Hey, get to the basket. I'm taking off. Hey, throw it down there. Hit me one of them hail Marys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, think about it, bro. Like, that's. That's legendary. Because obviously, you know, we. We hadn't seen Will, but we know will got 100 points. Yeah, man, can you after, like, Joe,

[Joe Ocho]

not to cut y', all, but people say, man, will they score no 100 points after seeing Bam get 83. Everybody said, yeah, Will got a hundred after they saw Bam get. Right after they saw Bam get 83. Because you gotta realize, right, Bam's averaging 19, 20 points a game. So you got 63 more points than what you average. Bam, career high might be 40, 41, 42 points. So now you got 40 plus points more than your career high.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Will.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I think.

[Joe Ocho]

I think 78. A 73. Two. No, Will had a 70. He had a 71. A 72. What? I think the 72 came in 62, 61. But Wilt had like three 70 point games that year. 78, 100, a 73 and a 72. So he had four 70 point games in one year.

[Joe]

That's crazy, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, it's because Bam is in what we would necessarily call a score. But he got a nice package. He got a nice bag. Uncle Ocho. Hey, look, the man down there in Miami living, right? Him and Asia, they. They big Boo loving.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He having a good time, man. Hey, I'm happy for him, man.

[Joe]

You know? You know, it's funny, Uncle Joe, is. Is those that actually play the game of basketball, whether it's. Whether it's coaches, whether it's former players, whether it's current players, I mean, their. Their reaction to it has not been very supportive. You know, if you heard most of the comments, and I mean, I'm somewhat confused, obviously. 83 is 83. No matter how you splice it, no matter how you try to move the goalpost, no matter how you try to explain it, it's history. I mean, just. And the fact that I said it yesterday, Joe, talking with Unc and if. If Kobe was here, Kobe would be the first one celebrating it, man, we have all these Kobe fans that are mad, that aren't even thinking like Kobe thinks Kobe celebrates a milestone like that. Absolutely not tripping off someone breaking a milestone.

[Joe Ocho]

It'd be a congratulations he passed Colby. If he had passed any. If it was. If it was Joe Johnson, if it was anybody else other than Kobe, it would have got applauded. Now, Joe, you was in the league when Kobe shot 50 times that last game. Ain't nobody say nothing. 50 shots.

[Shannon Sharpe]

N.

[Joe Ocho]

What? He finished with 60s on 50 shots. Yeah, ain't nobody said nothing. Boy, what a performance. You see Kobe, what were they doing? What was his teammates doing, Joe? Throwing him the ball?

[Shannon Sharpe]

N. They was. Yeah, they was force feeding, considering that.

[Joe Ocho]

I want to pull up the. I want to pull up the. What you call them, because I want to see something, because I want to see how many shots his teammate shot. Because when somebody shoot 50 times, Joe, you might get what, 80, 85 shots in a game and you got 12 players playing and one guy shoot 50 times. How many the others get?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. What I think, though, un. Is the fact that everybody knew that was his last game.

[Joe Ocho]

They.

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[Joe Ocho]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Dang. He shot 50 times. Like, ain't. Who else gonna shoot that many times, bro?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I mean?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

They understood the assignment.

[Joe Ocho]

Ain't nobody have a problem with it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bam.

[Joe Ocho]

Teammates understood. Spo told him, let's see how far he can take. Let's see how far he can take it. I'd have been pissed if they took him out. I ain't gonna lie to you, Joe and Ocho, I'd have stayed the whole game because now I'm gonna try to get 90. It's a minute and 24 seconds left, Joe. I'm gonna. I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna try to get 90. I ain't lying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Might well stay in there the whole game. Don't just settle for 83. You saying keep going.

[Joe Ocho]

I had a conversation. I had a conversation with Ozzy and Brian Billett about Jamal Lewis. Jamal Lewis had 295 yards. Ocho and they took him out of the game. Yeah. You mean to tell me y' all can't let that man get five yards? If somebody break 300, I want to be the first NFL player to rush for 300 yards in an NFL game. They took the man out with like five, six minutes left in the ball game. I don't care. 300. Do you understand what 300 mean, Ocho? In an NFL game? Oh, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, even. Even the Saquon Barkley thing, when he could have broke the running back record and they. And look, look, look. It ain't no giving. You gonna get back there. He didn't have no.

[Joe]

As you can see, the next year, he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You gotta take advantage of those moments.

[Joe Ocho]

We had the same thing. We had the same situation. Ocho and Joe with TD to get 2000 TD needed like 177 yards. Last game of the season, we got everything sewn up. They act. They a. The lion. Say we want to get it. Say we want to be in the record books. All right, let go. Let's go get it. You went. Guy. I think he went. Got 187.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Joe Ocho]

Yes, but, bro, history. History. I still think about it today, because if you remember, Ocho, Adrian Peterson broke Jamal's record. He ran for 296.

[Joe]

That was his rookie year.

[Joe Ocho]

If you break my. Look here. If you. If you go for 301, I'm good. But guess what, Ocho? I was the first guy to rush for 300 yards in an NFL game.

[Joe]

In an NFL game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Look, Nor Van brocklin is the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is 500.

[Joe Ocho]

His record is 550. 52. 50 something yards. The first. There's something about the first. Yeah. People gonna come behind you. I don't know who's the first person to have a Diamond. A Diamond album, but guess what, Ocho? I was the first. Yeah, there's been a lot of diamond albums. Mariah Carey got a couple. Whitney, Michael, Beyonce. Yeah, I was the first. If I'm. Like I said, if I'm. Bam, I got 83. I ain't lying chat. I ain't coming out. I'm trying to get 90.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, I get 90.

[Joe]

Hey. The first certified diamond album was Michael Jackson's Thriller.

[Joe Ocho]

Really?

[Joe]

Wait. Yeah. Thank you. The first album certified diamond, 2 million plus copies by RIAA awarded in 1984, were Michael Jackson's Thriller, certified 20 million. Fleetwood Max rumors, 12 million. And Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, 11 million.

[Joe Ocho]

That was the first. But Michael sold over 100 million copies. So that thing 10 times diamond. Ain't nobody beating that because they only that. First of all, they down. They. They do what? What? Spotify is streaming now, so. Yeah, you not buying no. No hard copies. You. It was a thing back in the day, Ocho. To actually go buy the hard copy. You could listen to it. You put the headset on. Put it on. They let you listen to it. You go to a little mom and pop or you go to Tower Records and you could actually listen to the album. Like. Yeah, I like that. Okay, I'm gonna get this. Or they. You could have a Go to Lamont Pop shops and they would make you a cassette. They'd make you an eight track. Yeah, I ain't got no problem. And people like, well, they was filing. Okay. Did anything happen in the game that's not a part of the game? Guess what they do every night in the game. Ocho and Joe foul. Yeah, they were. They filing.

[Joe]

Bam.

[Joe Ocho]

They didn't have to file him. They filed him. So he go to the free throw line and he made 36 or 43.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

I don't know what to tell you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, if I'm on the defensive team, man, I don't know how this man finna get 83 if he had 31 in the first quarter. Ojo first. First off, Uncle Ojo, my defense, my awareness gonna turn up so high till I'm gonna start denying, man, you're not gonna 83. I've been in the game the highest I've been in the game. Dame Lillard. This is when I was playing in Utah. We played against the Blazers when he was in Portland. He gave us like 62.

[Joe Ocho]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, look. Yeah, I know Ocho, he was cooking. We couldn't. I'm talking about. But these three.

[Joe Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talking about everything. We couldn't contain him in the pick and roll. He going by our guards. He just getting what he want to. So in this same game, bro, I go over 20,000 points for my career. I'm thinking to myself, I say, I already knew this. Coming to the game. I needed like 13 points to go for 20k.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I went on, got mine out the way. First half, I went on, got mine out the way. Uncle Ocho. Yo, man, this joker done went from 62. I'm thinking to myself, how in the hell I'm gonna get the ball? This dude done went for a career high 62. Lo and behold, after the game, man, the ball boy brought me the ball. He. You Know, Dame told him to bring it to me. I thought that was cool. So it's like, you know, I thought that was pretty cool on Dame part.

[Joe Ocho]

But we've seen Dame explode like that. Dame got a 70 point game. Dame could have got. Cause I remember calling him. I said, bro, why you didn't. I say, why you didn't go for 80? He like, sharp. I was trying to get 80. He said, man, you saw, they started doubling. Hey. They were leaving other men wide open. They were doubling and tripling him in the back corner. But I think he end. I think he end up with like 7172. I called him, I said, you got to get 80. He said, man, I was trying, and he was cooking. And so the thing is, Joe, I think the biggest thing, Ocho and Joe, is that who did it. You're thinking somebody that's a score, that's gonna get a number like that. Because when you see numbers like that, you see David Thompson or you see Luca, you see somebody with 70, those are scores. Bam is not a score. Yeah. And he got 83, of all people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That's why everybody's so shocked.

[Joe Ocho]

Shocked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I'm sitting here, I'm look. I'm looking across my. It came across my phone.

[Joe Ocho]

I'm like, he got what? A buddy of mine text me, say, dan, I said, Bam got 31 in the first quarter. I said, he'll probably end up with like 50, 55, right? He said, well, he got 40.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did.

[Joe Ocho]

He texted me back and say, we got 43 at the half. I said, well, let's readjust that. So let's. Okay, go get at least 60. Because I'm thinking now, if you get 10 and 10, that's 20, that's 63. He said he got 62 at that. I'm like, 62 and three quarters. I said. I said, well, eight is in play now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

And I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Joe Ocho]

He sent me back. He, like, 81. And then all of a sudden, it started bubbling again, you know, like some. Another.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

I was like, well, damn, 83.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care how you cut a slice of fellas. That's impressive, man. Oh, yeah, that's impressive.

[Joe Ocho]

83 points.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, listen. Cause you know, you know, you know what, Uncle Ocho, you think about it, he really took. If he shot 40, what, three.

[Joe Ocho]

43 throws, right? And 43 shots.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He took 86 shots. He took. You got to be in shape to do that, man. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, you think he played the. He played the next game or do you rest after that?

[Joe Ocho]

He played tonight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He played tonight.

[Joe]

What he had tonight? About 20.

[Joe Ocho]

Thank you. I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think. I don't even think he had that for real. They won, though. They beat the buck.

[Joe Ocho]

I think he had. I think. I think he had like 17. I think he had like 17, Joe. Yeah, he ended with 21.

[Shannon Sharpe]

21. He ended with 21. Okay.

[Joe]

Hey. Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's up?

[Joe]

Hey. They canceled the Magic City thing, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know, bro. They still got the game. TI performing at half. I. I still got the tickets. Now. What you.

[Joe]

Oh, I'm coming. I am.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What?

[Joe]

I'm coming.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What you mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay. I thought we were locked in Twin.

[Joe]

Yeah, I don't. I don't. Bought my little ticket off. Off of spirit. I'll be there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I got you, man. We good.

[Joe Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. You sure you don't want to join us at the game?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't. Got surgery, man.

[Joe]

He can limp out there now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You need to get right so I can. So I can get him in that. Get him in that cornhole. Get him in that corn hole.

[Joe]

There you go. Hey, Young. There you go. Talking. There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just said get him in the cornhole. He won the cornhole. I want my get back in there. You know, I know he'd be at home practicing in the backyard when he out there with the dogs. I already know what's going on.

[Joe Ocho]

I'm trying to show you something, guys, because people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you got, man?

[Joe Ocho]

Put it zero in on that. When I say my buddy was texting me. Who You Could y' all see that?

[Joe]

Not really.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, bro. Said no sending one and then he put 81.

[Joe Ocho]

And then soon it started building again. 83.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said 83. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Guys, y' all think people. I know. Look, I know the Internet because you got AI and people lie so much, bro. I ain't got to lie. What I wanna. What? What do I get? I just want to know. Chad, tell me what to the guy wrote, tell me what I get out of my life. Oh, Joe. And I did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I find.

[Joe Ocho]

I got another famous number. I got Justin Timberlake's number in my phone too.

[Joe]

Okay, Okay.

[Joe Ocho]

I was looking like, well, damn, I forgot I got jt, but I. I think that's the biggest thing. But check this out, Joe. Gordon Hayward said, I think Bam is one of the best two way players in the league at his position. But he's not a scorer, right? So for him to break Kobe's record, I don't think it's great. For the league, I think it's kind of highlights how they're already struggling. It kind of feels like a pickup game when you're watching. And for him to shoot 43 free throws and 22 threes, when that's not what he does, it almost feels like. And again, the Wizards, too, with all the teams tanking, it kind of makes it feel not legit. Ocho.

[Joe]

Joe, you see what I mean?

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. Hey, man. Hey. Like my grandma say, if you ain't got nothing good, say, don't say nothing.

[Joe Ocho]

Thank you, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, for real. Don't say nothing at all, man. Stop trying to diminish what this man had done. We got. We. We. We got a lot of people hating on him that I wouldn't expect the hate to be coming from, you know what I'm saying? Like, 83 is 83, bro. Like, unless he took 80 shots, you know what I'm saying? Like, the man, he. He had it going, man. He had a good night regardless. If he shot 43 free throws, so what? To get 83 points in the game, man. Like, did they file it?

[Joe Ocho]

The question is, I want to know, Ocho Joe. Did they file him? Were those filed? Gordon Hayward, anybody else said he shot 43 times, 43 free throws, did they foul him? That is the question. Because last I checked, when Naismith wrote it, he wrote files in there. And if you went over certain numbers, you got to shoot free throws or if you're in the. If you're in the act of shooting, you shot free throws, so. Or if you had five free throw, five files. So the question is, were they filing? Bam. Yes or no?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they were filing. They couldn't. They could not do nothing with that, man. Do you hear me? I'm talking about Uncle Ocho. The man was in his bag. Like, I knew he had a nice little handle, you know what I mean? I knew he had a nice. He looked like. I'm talking about the way he was coming down, shooting threes, getting in his bag. I'm like, hold on.

[Joe Ocho]

Thank you. I said the same thing. I said the same thing when they showed it, because they showed somebody, I think, what you call them, they showed all 31 of his points in the first quarter on Twitter X. And I'm like, well, damn, Bam, hold up. How you come on take three dribbles past half court and pull up from three. That ain't your game. But when you, man, look just like when you had those back to back 200 yard game, when you in that zone, ain't nothing to do.

[Joe]

You in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, look, look, look. I'm like, hold on, bro, you've been teasing us. You got all this in your bag. You give us 83. Come on.

[Joe Ocho]

You know, but what did he say? What did he say, Joe? He said the same thing. I think Bam is one of the best two way players in the league at his position. But he's not a scorer, you see, because of who did it. If Dame Lillard get this record, if Steph Curry, James Harden, Luca Doncic, somebody that's known for scoring, Kevin Durant, I don't think we got this. But because it's Bam, what was Bam high? This, I mean this year, Bam high this year might be 30. And to go from a high 30 to 53, to add 53 to that is just crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it came, it came out of nowhere.

[Joe Ocho]

You look at the guys, because you look at the guys that got those numbers. Those guys are scores. Everybody that's up there, Wilt was a score will average 30 and 23 for a career. You look at, look at James Harden. It's known as a scorer. You look at David Thompson was a score. Michael Jordan High was 69 a score, Kobe's high 81 score. You look at guys that Luka Doncic is a score. Dame Lillard is a score. We look at Bam, we think that Bam is a two way player. He'll get a, he'll give you somewhere. 15 to 20 ain't gonna give you somewhere between 8 and 12 rebounds. That's what he is great two way player, can play defense can play on ball, defense can play help side defense can rebound the basketball. It's just so unlike him. Anybody him. Joel Embiid will score. We don't look at Bam as a score. And so that's what's throwing people off. But it happens sometimes. Guys have out of body experiences. Look at Flipper. If somebody said, well, who got the most receiving yards in a single game? Ocho. Hey, somebody, they're gonna say Megatron, they're gonna say Randy Moss, Jerry Wright to. It's Flip. Little old flip. Yeah. 6 foot 180.

[Joe]

Well, you went crazy, bro.

[Joe Ocho]

But I, I ain't gonna lie. I ain't losing no sleep over it. Hell, I've been, I've been watching it. I watch. I'm like, well, damn. Cause you don't know. But I, I ain't coming out. I'm good night. I'm gonna try to get 90. Keep doing what y' all doing. Yeah, that game would have just Been ended. Hey, I go get Joe Ocho, you seven points away from 90. I mean, you think. Can you imagine if that dude would have got 90? Now, I want somebody to get 90 points

[Shannon Sharpe]

for whatever reason. It just feel. It feels strange, but I feel like it can happen, you know, you just. That first quarter, obviously gotta be special. You know what I'm saying? That first quarter, special. If you can get 26, 30 points in the first quarter.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then you thinking, like, okay, boom, at half. If I could have 43, 42, 45 and half.

[Joe]

Yeah, you gotta. You got a good chance, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know.

[Joe Ocho]

I'm getting 50 OJo. Yeah, it's like. It's like. You remember when Tyreek. Tyreek had those 200 yards in the first and, like, five catches against Tampa?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, oh, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Oh, he about to break this. I'm thinking, he about to break the record. You got 200 and you got a whole half to go. So I just knowing, you know, it's like anything you get going and you just like, oh, yeah, it's one of those days. And you just. Look, I understand y' all can be mad all you want to guess what? I'm in the record. And look, there might be somebody. Somebody might break Wilt's record, and there might be somebody get 90 and push me down to three. And somebody might push me down. I might. At one point in 50 years from now, I might be 10. But this is what I know. I scored 83 points in an NBA game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anybody got something to say that, hey, that's nasty. Word.

[Joe Ocho]

Michael Porter Jr. Said, Nikola Jokic is the greatest of all time. People will say Michael Jordan just to agree, but they haven't watched film. They'll just say it to agree with everyone else. For me, with my two eyes, and from what I've seen, I'm going to say Nikola Jokic is the best player that I've ever seen from what I've seen today. And I haven't seen anybody as dominant as Yoke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, that's saying a lot.

[Joe]

But who said that, Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

His ex teammate, Yokage. Ex teammate Michael Porter Jr. He played for the Brooklyn Nets.

[Joe Ocho]

But see, that's what happens when, like you said with his eyes. I just said, he said with his eyes. So he hadn't. He didn't see Kareem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Out of sight, out of mind, which you ain't seen you. Yeah, he ain't see Kareem.

[Joe Ocho]

He ain't see Moses Malone. He ain't see Larry Bird. He ain't see Magic he ain't see Jordan. He didn't. He didn't see that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Joe Ocho]

I can't blame him for saying what he's seen with his own two eyes. But that's what happens with youth. Because you haven't seen it, you don't think it happened.

[Joe]

It's on film.

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And of course, family stories. They'll be like, mommy, why did you miss that? Mommy, do you play basketball? Check out Game Recognized game with Stewie and miles on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Hey, I'm Wilmer Valderrama, and this is Freddy Rodriguez. Welcome back to Dos Amigos. Dos Amigos, season two, baby. This time, we're going even deeper into our careers, our lives, our art, and everything in between. Each episode emanates from our very own speakeasy, where we swap stories about the moments that really shaped us on and off camera. What do we invest in right now? What is the immediate advice you give people right now is to value time, to be cognizant of time and how important time is, because once the time is up, it's up, and then that's it. And the relationships, collaborations, and even the failures that pushed us to grow. And the common denominator is that we have the same people with us since, like, 30, 40 years ago.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Joe]

Like, we have a lot of the

[Wilmer Valderrama]

same homies that stuck around. Plus, the door always stays open for a third amigo to pull up a chair. Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joe]

It's on film, there's footage. Everybody, everybody you see, that's the highlight.

[Joe Ocho]

I'm old enough to remember Kareem. I'm old enough to remember Kareem. Like I said, go back and look at Kareem numbers when he first Got to Milwaukee and when he first got to LA, look at his numbers. He was giving you 33, 34 and 16, 17 for a season. He didn't come to the all time leading score for no reason. And the third leading rebounder for no reason. A six time MVP for no reason.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sky hooking you to death.

[Joe Ocho]

He has the most unstoppable. Everybody look. We don't seen everybody perfect. They don't. KD took dirt one legged step back. You don't see how many people hit Jordan turnaround From Kobe to LeBron to this one. Tell me the person you've seen consistently throw that sky hook. And I'm not talking about the end of the shot clock.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a hard shot to replicate. Ain't nobody doing that sky hook, boy.

[Joe Ocho]

That's really the only shot that. And he wasn't throwing it from two feet. He throwing it for 15, 18ft.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cash. Yeah. You couldn't stop it. You couldn't stop it, Man. The game changed so much.

[Joe Ocho]

It, it has, it, it has,

[Shannon Sharpe]

it has.

[Joe Ocho]

It's a different game now. And I'm not looking. I've been a Nikola Jokic fan. Everybody can know. Y' all know I've been a Jokic fan. I've been a Luka fan basically since they got to the league. And it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard. If he were to get another championship or two for Yoke to say he's not a top 10 player. It just is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Cause he's gonna have championships. He's already got three MVPs. He's gonna be top three for MVP for the next three, four years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Years.

[Joe Ocho]

Now he mess around and get another one. He got four. He got a couple of championships. He got three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wonder, is it because, you know, big men, they, they kind of hard to market, you know.

[Joe Ocho]

You got to get me the ball, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Big man never get no credit. We just, we forget about, we forget about Will. We forget about Mr. Russell. We forget about Kareem. The big man ain't gonna never get no. Because somebody got to get in the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

When you got him that ball, he was hell, wasn't it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. Or, or is it, is it because the game doesn't look, you know, flamboyant enough when you playing through your bigs, you know, versus the perimeter guys, they gonna razzle dazzle you. Cross you over, step your back, you know. That's why they get all the sales when it comes to apparel and things of that sort. But you never see a big man, really, outside of Shaq, who. Who probably sold a lot of shoes. Outside of that, you don't really see big man with. With shoe deals like that.

[Joe Ocho]

No. Cause big, they don't. They don't. They not fancy, they don't. I mean, look at Tim Duncan. They call him the Fundamentals. He ain't do nothing. He had the same expression on his face, just bucking everybody ass. I mean, he ain't do nothing fancy. Hey, he have no finger roll. All he do glass I like, man. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Sometimes I wish the backboard wasn't there. Damn. He going up the backboard all the time making that shot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm telling you, man, he could.

[Joe Ocho]

Shh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, uncle, you bring back. I have flashbacks thinking about that. That man stopped me from getting a ring. I could have got me one damn Tim. Dunking ass.

[Joe Ocho]

But that. But that's the way it is. Because you think about it, Will got 24,000 rebounds. Y' all do realize that man averaged 24 rebounds for a career? Do y' all realize that that man averaged 24 rebounds for your career?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It don't even sound real.

[Joe Ocho]

The man never had left, never had a season with less than 17 rebounds in a season.

[Joe]

That's crazy.

[Joe Ocho]

He had a season. He had 40, average 44 and 27. That was after the year you averaged 50 and 25. Cause y' all say y' all thought I was just. So I'm not bull driving. I'm Gonna put a 44 and 27 on you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, we're on that trajectory. I'm talking about to where, like I'm saying, I think he gonna be able to dominate Uncle Ocho. And when he really fill out to become who he's gonna be, because he ain't but, what, 23, 22?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, something like that.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Damn.

[Joe]

Well, he got a long way to go, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, at about 25, 26, you're gonna be here.

[Joe Ocho]

If he keeps grow. Yeah, he just. Just get a little strong in your lower body.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And he figured. Yeah, he figured that part out. It's gonna be a rap.

[Joe]

You think. You think he gonna develop like. Like Giannis? Like, get big like that?

[Joe Ocho]

Nah, he gonna get big like that.

[Joe]

Was skinny like that, too, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he was. He was. He was.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, but that's a lot more to fill out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't see. With me, I think he going, he gonna get a lot stronger on Ocho, and he. You know, he might get.

[Joe Ocho]

He might get him stronger, he might

[Shannon Sharpe]

get him a little girth. On there.

[Joe Ocho]

But, man, just, Just so, Just so, Just so people can't move him, you know, try to play through his body and move him off his spot. Yeah, but he. People talk about the women develop the sky hook. Man, don't let that man develop no sky hook. How the hell you. Hell, you couldn't block kareems and he's 7 2. What the hell you gonna do with a man 7 4, 7 5? Throw the sky hook from nine feet high. No, but look, I. I get it because you look at Yolk and the stuff that he's doing, we. We've never seen a big man this skilled offensively that could score the basketball, could assist the basketball. There've been very few bigs that they ran the offense through. We've seen point forwards, but they run the offense through him. Yeah, he's gonna average another triple double this year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I think it's the. It's the grace that he plays with uncle and Ojohad. He makes the game look so easy, so simple. Like, you know, it ain't. It don't even seem like he really out there trying that hard. If I'm being 100 with you, you know, when I watch him play, it's like. Cause if you give him one on one coverage, he gonna pick whoever that is guarding. He gonna pick him apart so quick. And it's like. Then if you double him, he always looking for the open man. He passed first big, who can score. You know what I mean? So it's fun to watch him. It's fun to watch him work. And he gonna be.

[Joe Ocho]

He gonna be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gonna be hard to stop too, man. That's why I say the west so tough. Because by the time whoever comes out of the west, they gonna be so beat up. Because from the first round all the way into the west to the finals, boy, you gonna. You gonna have head hunters on you.

[Joe Ocho]

You got your hands full. And the thing is, he's on pace Joe to lead the league and assist again. You know, Wilt did it many, many years ago, but this guy's leading the league in assist with. With double double digits, which is crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It don't make no sense, man.

[Joe Ocho]

You know, it's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It don't make no sense.

[Joe Ocho]

Like I said, his touch around the basket is second to none. And I've seen a lot of big. I mean, so we go back to the mid-70s and come forward. I've never seen a big with that kind of touch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I ain't either. I ain't either. I ain't either. Ocho. So I think for Denver, it's all about how healthy they can get or how healthy Gordon could get. Cause he's the one guy who can definitely help Murray and Jokic.

[Joe Ocho]

You know, when it comes to get Watson back. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And get Watson back, they got to get them dudes back healthy.

[Joe Ocho]

So they get them back. They get those guys back health. It's gonna be very interesting. Cause, you know, look, come playoff time, Murray and, and, and, and, And Yoke, they're gonna be Murray and Yoke. It's Gordon. When Gordon gave you that third option. Yeah, yeah, he gave you that third option. He gonna be tough. He gonna be. He gonna be ego. He gonna be tough. He gonna be tough. They're gonna be tough to beat. Yeah. Cause yo, you know, you don't know. What do you do you let him get 50 or do you let him get 25? 30 with 20 rebounds and 15 assists.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Ocho]

Cause you at his mercy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Like you said, they ain't got nobody. They don't have. They don't have one guy that can stop it. You got to bring the double. You got to bring help. And it just come. Now, anytime a guy gets Double Joe and you know this, it's up to the guy if they knocking down shots, usually like, well, hey, effort. We do the next game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Cause if you don't come, he gonna punish him. If you do come, he gonna kick it and the guy's knocking down shots.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You gotta pick your poison, Lou.

[Joe]

Lose situation, huh?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's why they, you know, a lot of teams starting to be physical with a lot of these guys too, you know, have em crying and whining to the referee got. Trying to wear him down like, man, we know we ain't gonna stop you, but if we can frustrate you and have you teed off out here to where you get a couple ignorant fouls and you had to go sit down, then we've done just as good a job. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

So we'll see. The one thing we do know, he has at least five more years. Let's see what his numbers are. Let's see what he's done. Has he won more championships? Has he won more MVPs? And then we're going to have to have a serious, serious discussion because the numbers are going to warrant and the wars are going to warrant. It's just a matter of how many championships does he have? Because it's going to warrant some consideration.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's going to put him at the top.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, absolutely. Because there ain't a whole lot of guy. Ain't a whole lot of guys that got. I mean, you got to go back. Only let's see, Kareem with four, with six MVPs, you got Jordan and Russell with five MVPs, and you got LeBron and. And Will with four MVPs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talking about.

[Joe Ocho]

Moses Malone has three, so now Magic has three, Bird has three, so now we're talking about. He already has three. Now you mess around and get him and let him get a fourth and a fifth, and he gets a couple of championships. Now what we supposed to do with that? Just ignore it. Oh, let me guess.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He played on the soft era.

[Joe]

There's always gonna be something,

[Joe Ocho]

So we gonna see before we move on. Joe, the social media team had this post yesterday. Look at Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What happened, bro?

[Joe]

Joey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, what y' all got going on?

[Joe]

What you doing, Joe?

[Joe Ocho]

Do you know anything about wrestling, Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know something about wrestling. Well, Junkyard, huh?

[Joe Ocho]

CM Punk did that when he beat Seth Rock. Well, he won the Bills, so he was making fun of Seth Rollins and his. And. And Becky. So they got the championship. So he's like, I got the Bills now. So that's what he was doing. So we were spoofing. We were spoofing that. And people like, man, why y' all do Joe like that? Clearly y' all not wrestling face fans. Because if you knew. If you were wrestling fans, you the new CM Punk did that. And we took that from CM Punk. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they. They thought y'.

[Joe Ocho]

All. Can we pull up the clip and see your pup?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they thought.

[Joe Ocho]

There you go. You see, Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

They thought you were trying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They thought y' all were trying to put fame on the King.

[Joe Ocho]

Ain't nobody thought that for. You added that joke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm saying. I'm saying.

[Joe Ocho]

I'm telling you what had no hat on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm telling you what social media was thinking. They were thinking like, oh, man, they trying to put. They trying to put shame on the king.

[Joe]

Yo, you can't pro. You can't self proclaim yourself as a king. You can't do that, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, then do we have to go through this every time?

[Joe]

I'm just saying you can't call yourself the king. You have to be appointed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was anointed. Anointed. Ocho. You know, when I. Hey, you know, when I was in high school, this. Back in 1999, back in Little Rock, Arkansas, at D. Little Rock Central, you know, I won homecoming King Ocho. I was anointed back in the day in high school.

[Joe]

Real?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. I won homecoming king.

[Joe Ocho]

How you homecoming king and you don't. You don't even play football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was. I won the basketball. Homecoming king doing the game.

[Joe Ocho]

What kind of boy job.

[Joe]

Y' all ain't had a jump ball team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all had. Hold on, hold on. Oh. Don't act like y ain't got basketball home now.

[Joe Ocho]

No, we don't.

[Joe]

I ain't never heard that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who don't?

[Joe Ocho]

Because nobody but you.

[Joe]

Homecoming king and queen is on football night. It's a football.

[Joe Ocho]

Football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got a homecoming king for basketball. To know where y' all from, bro. In the sticks. I know y' all from down there.

[Joe Ocho]

I know.

[Joe]

Joe, I promise you, I've never heard of basketball. Homecoming king, queen. Now football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, y', all, what is.

[Joe Ocho]

What?

[Joe]

Chad is different down there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need y'.

[Joe Ocho]

All. Chad.

[Joe]

Chad don't know. They don't know what your school population was about 200.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chill, chill. In my class, we had no ojo. We had close to about 500 people in my high school class. Now.

[Joe]

Damn. And just one class.

[Joe Ocho]

No, not your high school. Your graduating class.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, my high school graduating class.

[Joe]

Nah, you mean the whole school. 500 kids,

[Joe Ocho]

Joe, I have never heard. Now, I don't been to a lot of places. As a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to go to the county fair. But being from the south and being on a farm, I was in 4H. I went to county fairs. I went to two goat shows on the cow show. I ain't never heard no issue like that. When you got a basketball, homecoming. I ain't never heard it. Ocho. They never heard it either.

[Joe]

Of fact.

[Joe Ocho]

Yes, it's homecoming. Man, what is wrong with y'? All? These people saying this in the chat.

[Joe]

No, homecoming. Homecoming for football game.

[Joe Ocho]

You mean. Hold on, you mean the prom? You was prom king. Now, I get it. If you say I was prom king. Because you got homecoming, you got prom. So if you say I was the prom king, okay, Joe, congratulations. You got basketball hoop.

[Joe]

I ain't never heard of that.

[Joe Ocho]

What kind of bull job is that?

[Joe]

I ain't never heard of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, y' all must grew up in some real rural areas to where y' all probably have stoplights.

[Joe Ocho]

Bitch, you from Little Rock, Arkansas. I know. Like he from LA or New York.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, matter of fact. Hey, show me a picture, Joe. Show me a picture. You want homecoming king?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna show you. I ain't got one.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

No, he's trying to use AI. You think you slick. Hey, he gonna use AI and try to cream one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you think I'll sit here and lie to you, bro, that's the last thing I'm gonna do. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.

[Joe Ocho]

Like I said, pro. If you say, hey, Ocho, you know your boy. You know your boy? Yeah, I'm king.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

I've been at this king thing for a minute now. This ain't the first time I've been ignored.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The king.

[Joe Ocho]

They crowned me the king for the prom. Okay. You know your boy played a little football. I was the quarterback. I was a wide receiver. I was homecoming king. Gotcha.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So y' all trying to.

[Joe]

Nah, something ain't right. Something ain't adding up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dang, boy. Hey, boy. These people gonna talk about y'?

[Wilmer Valderrama]

All?

[Joe]

Not really.

[Joe Ocho]

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe y' all had a nice little pep rally. Y' all used to do it. Y' all had a pep rally, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man, we used to have pep rally. Come on, man. Y' all don't try to play us like that. I'm just saying,

[Joe]

if you had a basketball, homecoming, ain't no telling what else y' all had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. So listen, when y' all tell me when these colleges, they have football homecoming, y' all do know they have a basketball. Basketball homecoming, too, right?

[Joe Ocho]

Not by mine either, y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All. Man, well, y' all stop playing crazy.

[Joe]

I promise you.

[Joe Ocho]

So y' all got a baseball homecoming, too? Track homecoming?

[Joe]

No.

[Joe Ocho]

So what we stopping it at?

[Joe]

You gotta stop somewhere.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, man, y' all gotta chill, bro.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, I didn't joke every. They had a wrestling, homecoming, football, homecoming, basketball, homecoming, soccer, baseball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. That's crazy.

[Joe]

Maybe small areas that do that, Joe. Maybe a small area.

[Joe Ocho]

No, maybe so.

[Joe]

Not down here in Miami.

[Joe Ocho]

Not that I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, the chat telling y', all, both they telling.

[Joe]

I mean, the people in the chat that are saying both are probably from small rural areas like. Like Arkansas.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, I mean, they probably. Yeah, they probably had a black and a white homecoming queen. Okay, I get it.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Wow.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

Black and white proms. I mean, y', all. Y', all. Y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All. Hey, listen, listen. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Y' all want to put a stain on my crown so bad.

[Joe]

Put no stain on that. We just saying there's no way you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I done figured y' all out. I done figured y' all out. Boy, y' all want to put a stain on your boy so bad.

[Joe Ocho]

Y' all good. We good.

[Joe]

We good. Joe, I ain't even went homecoming king. So I know you ain't win when you was playing what, in high school?

[Wilmer Valderrama]

No, Oto.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oto, hold on. I'm gonna have to get my. Hold on. I'm gonna have to get my stuff together on y'. All.

[Joe]

Get it, Joe. Get it, Joe. Like, I. I ain't went home. Coming king. I. I won Class clown. I won that.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, they got that one right all

[Joe]

the way through the NFL. What you see is what you get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Joe Ocho]

No, I didn't went home grumpy. I was Mr. Scene.

[Joe]

What that meant.

[Brianna Stewart]

Who

[Joe Ocho]

Most likely to succeed. That's what that means. No, I won Mr. Senior. You had a Mr. When you're in your graduating class, you had a Mr. And Mr. C. Mr. And Miss. You had a Most likely to Succeed. You had most talented. You had all guess who got most likely to yearbook.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hold on. So tell me something. Did y' all have a. Did y' all have, like, a senior banquet and all that?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a senior banquet.

[Joe]

Did you have a senior trip? Y' all had a senior trip?

[Joe Ocho]

Yes. I didn't. What was I. Oh, Joe. Where was I gonna go?

[Joe]

Where I was gonna get money, Joe, Y' all had a senior trip. I ain't go though where they went. Ours went to Disney World or Disneyland, whichever one is out here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it was. It was. So it was somewhere like that.

[Joe Ocho]

We went on a cruise. Cruise. So what was. Like, what was I gonna use for luggage? Pick the weekly bags and no suitcase. The hell I look like going to the cruise with. With grocery bags? Come on, now. Yeah, I got my. I got my book. I can bring it to you. Most likely to succeed, Most athletic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm gonna do. I had to get my yearbook.

[Joe Ocho]

Superlatives in Glenville history. It can never be broken because it's not a high school anymore. I'm the only athlete to win most MVP in basketball, football, track and senior athlete. Damn. I'm the only one that did it. Sweet steaks. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's impressive. I ain't gonna lie to you. Sweet stakes, that's impressive.

[Joe Ocho]

But I still ain't heard of the home basketball man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y', all, this is what is crazy.

[Joe]

Self proclaimed king. Child, please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you don't see the chat. The chat Vouching it for everything I'm saying.

[Joe]

Nah, the chat,

[Joe Ocho]

they said both.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They say it's a. It's a football, homecoming and a basketball home.

[Joe Ocho]

Now we're gonna close the chat. Let's go close.

[Joe]

Yeah, we got the poll up.

[Joe Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. I detected a voter fraud, so we about to close the chat.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's up? What's up, fellas? Y' all straight?

[Joe]

Are we good, Joe?

[Joe Ocho]

Okay, we put everything good, Joe. Nearly four years to the day, the last appearance in his NBA game, Dwight Howard is officially retiring from professional basketball. Joe Ocho, you first, Joe. Where do you rank Dwight?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I got him as far as centers. He up there, bro. He up there. He. I. I had a chance to play against him in a. In a couple playoff series to where it was nothing we could do, bro.

[Joe Ocho]

We.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We had to let the man like, we had to play them straight up. Cause they were so good. This the year they went to the finals. They beat us that year, but then the following year we beat them. But he was so dominant, like I'm talking about, like to the point. Defensively, he could anchor the defense by himself. He was crazy athletic at 6:11, jumping out the gym like that. Like, defensively, bro, he just wrecked the game. It was just. It was special to watch, you know.

[Joe Ocho]

But you talking about.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, this Orlando Magic, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He used to get to it. Boy, he had everything he added, you know, he came into the league, not really a score, just a, you know, rim runner. And then he developed, you know, developed some post moves down in the post. Unke Ocho to where he was effective. And next thing you know, he was unstoppable. He was unstoppable, bro. He had a good career. He had a great career, actually. He a Hall of Famer.

[Joe Ocho]

The only thing I say, they did him wrong. He deserves to be one of those top 75 players. There are some guys that got on there and I love. I think Anthony Davis is phenomenal. But Anthony Davis has not had a better career than Dwight Howard. When they selected his team, he didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Ocho]

I'm sorry, guys. And that's not. And I respectfully.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I.

[Joe Ocho]

And I think. I think. I think Anthony Davis is a phenomenal player. And he's. He's get gotten and earned everything that he deserves. Dwight Howard is one of the 75 best players in NBA history. His resume, the defensive player of the years, the all NBA selections. He finished second in the MVP voting. He anchored a team that went to the NBA finals. They lost to Kobe. But Dwight Howard is a top 75 player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. Now look, absolutely.

[Joe Ocho]

We start talking about centers. You got Shaq and you got Kareem. You got Mr. Russell, you got Wilt Mose Malone. Yoke. No, I ain't taking the beat over him.

[Joe]

What do you rank him on? What do you rank, Dwight? I'm trying to get the greatest.

[Joe Ocho]

Kareem. Mr. Russell, Will Shaq, Moses Malone, Nicola Jokic. That's six there.

[Joe]

What you put him at, like seventh or eighth?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's sinners.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, I'm thinking so. Ocho. Oh, no, no, no, no. He down. Hakeem. What the hell? Yeah, what the hell, man? Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dave Robinson. You put Dave Robinson.

[Joe Ocho]

David Robinson.

[Joe]

Yeah, you forgot. But Tim Duncan considers powerful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're four power four.

[Joe Ocho]

Okay. Yeah, man. I don't know. You haven't lost my damn mind,

[Shannon Sharpe]

so.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, I, I think you, I think you're a top 10 center. I think I give him top 10. Yeah, yeah, he ain't in the top five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he had a, he had a good career.

[Joe Ocho]

Ocho, it's time to play a fade presented by prize picks. Oh, okay. Damn. What anim. All right. Joe Dejante, Murray, 2111 half points and assist. So when you combine points and assists, he'll have at least 21 and a half.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hold on, hold on. D. Murray, he been out there acting a little different.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Standing over folks and all kind of miss. Ain't it bad? Ain't a man. Hey, look, look, I, I, I like his energy. I say he gonna be over there. He ready. Hey, look, he down for whatever putting. He over there. Uncle Ocho. Points and assists. Yeah, yeah, he getting to it. He ain't playing.

[Joe Ocho]

Derek Queen, two and a half assists.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I like big fella. He can pass that thing. He got nice deal for the game. He could pass at Ocho as a center. He, he bring the ball up the court sometime. Kind of like Jokic, you know, they start the offense with him. Yeah.

[Joe Ocho]

Kevin Durant will have at least 25 and a half points.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who they playing? Oh, they playing.

[Joe Ocho]

I think they playing the Pelicans, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they playing the Pelicans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here. Yeah, he'll get on some work.

[Joe Ocho]

And last but not least, Portland versus Utah. Robert Williams, seven and a half rebounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, Robin. Robin ball. I've been checking him out. He only thing is, is he starting? I think he coming off the bench.

[Joe Ocho]

I think he does, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Seven and a half rebound. That's a lot. But I ain't gonna lie. He been putting up some. Yeah, some decent numbers. Can you click what he had the last couple games? Give me something. Give us some information. Give us a lifeline or something. Come.

[Joe Ocho]

On.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know they normally tell you.

[Joe Ocho]

10 rebounds, 7 rebounds, 8 rebounds. 11 rebounds. 6 rebounds. 14 rebounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that boy eating glass.

[Joe]

Hey, but he living under that goddamn glass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That boy eating glass. They playing Utah. Utah ain't playing nobody.

[Joe Ocho]

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[Joe]

Hey, hey, Uncle Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's happening?

[Joe]

Hey, my. My bus came in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What bus?

[Joe]

My bus. You know, I told you I made.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I made my own bus. Man, that's hard.

[Joe Ocho]

Let me see that. Put it closer.

[Joe]

Hey, you know, I had to make.

[Joe Ocho]

Put it closer in the camera.

[Joe]

You can't see it. Hey, hey, hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like it, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. This metallic. Metallic. 14 karat gold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's fire.

[Joe]

But let me tell you something, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Joe]

Sometimes, sometimes we don't invite you to sit at the table, you know, Joe, you gotta create your own table, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello. Hello.

[Joe Ocho]

I don't know what kind of gold that is, but you holding it pretty steady. Cause if that's gold, if that was real gold, boy, there ain't no way you holding it like that.

[Joe]

No, it's heavy, Unc. It's heavy. It's metallic gold flakes, Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

So it's gold flake. It's not full 14 karat?

[Joe]

Oh, no. Cause then it would distort. It would distort, you know. But hey, it looked just like me. Don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they did a good job, bro.

[Joe Ocho]

They did a good job.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

Hold on, Joe.

[Joe]

Look at the side profile, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me check it out. Oh, yeah. He got that head, boy, that dome. You see, they got you right?

[Joe]

It looked like me, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they got you right, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. So I'm gonna have it sitting back there. And then, you know the jacket, you know the jacket I had on when I scold and I put the whole jacket on. I'm gonna frame that up and have it sitting in the background with all of my war.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, man, that's gonna be fire.

[Joe]

All right. Yeah, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, this one on one, Joe, I had. I had to make. I had to make my own, you know.

[Joe Ocho]

My 5,900 went.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man,

[Joe]

you good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Where we at? That's three years. That man owing you.

[Joe]

God, I got him, Joe. Hey, I'm telling you what my grandma told me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You say that for three years.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought we had got past that. That's all I'm saying, Joe.

[Joe]

Long As I long as I owe him, he'll never be broke, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, so anytime it's an emergency situation, you know, you break the glass. Yeah, break the glass. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, Joe, the chance, say, OO went to the same people to do his statue that D. Wade got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. Come on, man.

[Joe]

Nah, Jody look just like me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah. Yo, hey, yo, yo, yo, yo.

[Joe]

Hold on, hold on, hold. Hey, Joe. Hey, the chat maker. Hey, Ash. Ash, you can show you. I'm gonna show you the picture I use. I was young. I was young, too. Hey, hey, Ash, can you show the side by side of the. Of the picture and the statue so the people can see?

[Joe Ocho]

I sent it.

[Joe]

I sent it to you. I texted to you. It's probably too late to put up, huh?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, that's the same. That's the same one. Whoever did this.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

See the chat.

[Joe]

Chat trying to make it.

[Joe Ocho]

Whoever did D. Wade hooked up. Ocho.

[Brianna Stewart]

Nah.

[Joe Ocho]

Cause they right down there in Miami. So it was a two for one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm saying you can't. You can't get that wrong, man.

[Joe Ocho]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, man.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. Yeah, see, I use a younger picture.

[Joe Ocho]

That look like Richard Jefferson.

[Joe]

Hey, That look just like.

[Brianna Stewart]

Look.

[Joe]

Look at the side by side, Joe.

[Joe Ocho]

Let me see.

[Joe]

You see?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, boy, that.

[Joe]

Yeah, it looks just like me. I just use a younger.

[Joe Ocho]

Why you use a younger picture, Ocho? You ain't look like that in 25 years.

[Joe]

Yeah, but I wanted to use the picture when I was sexy.

[Joe Ocho]

See this?

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, this the picture, right?

[Joe Ocho]

Yeah, but people gonna look at you and look at you now. O. Joe, you gotta use more updated pictures.

[Joe]

Nah, but, but, but, hey, but, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, Unc. This is when I was the sexiest man of the year.

[Joe Ocho]

I get that, but that was 20 years ago. People looking at you now, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, but I don't want them to worry about. I want my best version of me. I want my bus to be the best version of me. I was sexy. I was a sex symbol back then, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I see what you got going on.

[Joe]

I ain't want to use the old me.

[Joe Ocho]

The old me, the catfishing people.

[Joe]

Nah, but hey, chat. Y' all making jokes. You see that? That's me. That's me there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Peace to the planet Charlemagne, the God here. And listen, we are back. The Black Effect Podcast Festival is back in Atlanta on April 25th at Pullman Yard. Yeah, and the full lineup is nuts.

[Joe]

We got the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Joe Ocho]

Okay.

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[Joe Ocho]

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