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Shannon Sharpe
Hey guys, it's your favorite UNC here. Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't Miss a single episode of Nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports, stay for the stories. Well, guys, the Lakers put up a value effort. They scored 39 points in the third quarter to give them a four point lead heading into the fourth quarter. But it wasn't enough. The turnovers did a man tonight. Far too many careless turnovers, but they played a value game. And think about it, you had three guys in mid-20s and you still couldn't get it done. That's a very good team. Jay Mitchell, oh my goodness, he is sensational to watch him up close. Guys, look, you gotta think about this. When Shay went to the bench to start in the second quarter, the Lakers had a five point lead. When he came back in the game, they were up nine.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
So that is the difference. Because that is what they can do that very few teams can do that when their best player goes to the bench. A lead, they eat that up. And if they got the lead, they'll extend the lead. If they're behind, they'll come and get the lead and he comes back in the game. And Shay did what to do, but thanks. All the big shots that they hit down the stretch. McCain, big three after big three A. Jay Mitchell, the A1, it was just. It was just too much for them to overcome. Joe, what did. What did you like most about what you saw from the OKC Thunder? Because a lot of teams might want to panic, like, look, we got three in the bag. Let's go back home and close this thing out. But they say, nah, we want to go on and finish this thing up the right way. Do it tonight, man.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Listen, hey, as we all know, man, you know, champions prevail, bro. They found ways to win. I agree with you. I think the AJ Mitchell kid, I don't know where he came from. GP Ocho, I don't know where he came from, but he fit. He fit perfectly. You know, when I watch him play, it's more how decisive he is when he's out there. Like, he don't have no indecision on what it is he trying to do. He get right to it, bro. It's like, look, I know the game plan. Yeah, we got J Dub out who's an all star. Oh, well, I'm gonna step right in. I fit like a glove, you feel me? And I think the Lakers played is as great as they can play. I mean, they had three guys with 20 and high efficiency. I'm like, damn, they might have a chance to win, but OKC just got too much, bro. They got closers, they got defenders, they play great team defense and everybody on their team know they roll, man. They a true champion. True champion.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay, jp, go ahead and take it away. What you thought, what did you see in this game?
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GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, well, well, you know, Shannon, I think the turnovers that beat them really toughly, I mean when they had, when they got key stops, even though Oklahoma made big shots, even when they had big time stops, they turned the basketball over on unnecessary situations. And against basketball team like Oklahoma, you cannot turn the ball over because they're going to capitalize because they are a great half court team and that's what it was. I just thought they turned the ball over just even though, even when, at the end of the game, when it was 107109, LeBron gets a big time a stop, get a rebound and he turns the basketball over. You know what I'm saying? You can't do that. And then they come right back and then what they do, they hit a three and go up five. So you can't, you can't do that in this situation. I think the Lakers lost his game on their own. But you got to understand Oklahoma City, they got eight deep. We haven't even talked about Du boy Wallace. The boy Wallace is a key, key ingredient to this too. The boy Mitchell comes up but you 10 deep on his Oklahoma team. And the way they play aggressive, I think it's hard to beat this basketball team.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Man.
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Shannon Sharpe
You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right, guys. And you think about it, Chad, I think Chad had maybe like two points, maybe four points heading into that fourth quarter. And he ends up with like 16, 17 points. Shay with Shay started getting to the free throw line, hit big shots. But I just think the thing is, is that it's just so hard because I, I know JJ wanted to play Kennard and Austin Reeves together, but the problem is, is that they're going to set the pick. And one of those guys is going to have to guard Shay one on one and he's going to eat every single time. Go ahead, Uncle.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
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Uncle Joe
Now I want to tell you, obviously most of the people watching the game, especially you guys, you knew how the result would be. In order for the Lakers to win this game, Unk, Joe and Gary and GP The Lakers would have had to be perfect. They would have had to damn near be perfect. And obviously the turnovers, that was their Achilles heels tonight. Obviously defensively they got beat a few times. They had no answer for Mitchell. Hell, they had no answer for goddamn Shay.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
As well.
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Uncle Joe
But obviously no one's had an answer for Shay. But what Mitchell has been able to do and coming through in clutch moments and being a resurgence that we didn't even see, you know, before, like this has been phenomenal. I thought, you know, unk for your sake, being that you went to the game and I know it was a pretty penny, I was hoping they could pull this game off just for you. Listen, it would have been a good one for you too to be able to watch them, but it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. I mean, goddamn Oklahoma City Thunder are so strong and really have no weaknesses offensively, defensively, in transition, on the glass, on the board. I mean that there's really no answer to really stop these individuals because not only are they, not only the starting five deadly, they can go to the bench and give you whatever you need. When the start, when the starters are out as well.
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Shannon Sharpe
You know what I know guys watching them up close, not one time did I ever think somebody took a bad shot. They get whatever. They don't, they don't, they don't take bad shots. They're never in a hurry. Yes, if they can get a chance to get out in transition, they get out in transition. But you know what it is? They're fast but they're never in a hurry. But you understand what I'm saying.
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GP (Gary Payton)
But you know what, Shannon? The reason that is, is that Shay gets whatever he wants when he gets there. And once it's that mid range game going, a lot of people are now focused on him. And then the other guys just sit where they gotta sit. You may receive Chad, he always around the basket. They throw up lobs. They throw them. And then the other guys sit there in their, in their comfort zone and just shoot their shots and make buckets. And that's why they don't speed up, because he has the ball in control. I think sometime to get them out of their situation, I think you gotta, you just gotta double, double shank sometimes. Yes, just get the basketball out of his hand and then see what everybody else does. I would do that more to make it understanding because I can't beat them with him having 35 and everybody else having something else. If I can get him to have 14, 16 and everybody else around has to have a big, big time game. And the Lakers couldn't do that because they don't have anybod guarded. I would have doubled him, I would have just got the ball out of his hands because pressuring pretty well and he would have denied him the basketball but they just didn't do that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Hey, hey.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I think, I think when you think about it, when you look at the Lakers, bro, it seemed like, yeah, yeah, these guys shot high percentages from the field tonight. They, I mean it's probably the best game they played. But it seems, it always seems like it's hard for them to come by buckets. You know, they always got to make tough shots. It seemed like soon as they make a tough shot, hell, OKC come down and score so easy because Shay and Mitchell, they great in isolation, bro. They're great in using their body, they great in using them bumps to create a little space just to get they jumpers off. They never in a rush, bro. They have an understanding on the spots that they're trying to get to. And you can't stop them from getting to them spots if you don't double team them, hell, this what you're going to have to deal with. And I just think the Lakers as great as they played tonight, you get what, 18 from Jackson Hayes, you probably ain't gonna never get that again. Six for eight. I thought it was perfect for him to win the game. But the last three minutes, the back and forth. Oh my God, you talking about basketball at his highest level. But I knew they couldn't stop okc, bro. It don't matter, you know what I mean? Arkansas making tough buckets, bruh. Making tough buckets. And gp, you spoke on, you know, you spoke on another thing earlier. It's them damn careless ass turnovers that they have that lead to points, bro. I'm talking about in crucial, crucial times of the game. Under two minutes, three minutes, man, you got to value the basketball against this OKC team because this is how, this is how they thrive. You know, their defense creates offense. Hell, they already got great offensive guys. The defense creates offense. Too much of a juggernaut. Hell, we ain't think the Lakers gonna win this series, but we thought they.
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GP (Gary Payton)
And Joe, you've seen it too, Oklahoma. Like you said, make shots, you know, and they make crucial shots. And see, you remember when LeBron went in there and was fast and missed that little, that little runner and stuff like that. He's got to go get into somebody body and get to the free throw line. You know, in a situation like that, get to his body, get him free throw and then see what happens. But you know, okc, they go there, Shay gets in his bag and then next thing you know he makes a great pass and it was great. Look what Chad did when he was down there. He pumped fake, pump fake, went up. They thought he traveled, and he dunked the basketball ball on a crucial time of the game. And they go up one. See that? That's the difference between them two teams.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Oh, yeah, you.
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Shannon Sharpe
And the thing is up. You said the problem that they had tonight, that even when they doubled and got the ball out of Shay hands, hey, Mitchell hit a three. McCain hit a three. And what they do is that they play high, low with the big. So they trap Shay. He throws it to. He throws it to Hardenstein, to Hardenstein, takes one dribble. He throws the lob, and here come Che hammering it down. So I thought they did. Look, I was saying the same thing. Get the ball out of Shay hands, and you say, let somebody else beat you. Well, I'd be damned if Mitchell didn't do it. And Kane hit a. McCain hit a couple of threes. I'm like, bro, he been sitting for, like, 10 minutes. He just come out. He come off a pick and shoot it from 25. At some point in time, Joe, GP, you know, this guy Ocho, you just tip your hat and say, man, that's just too good.
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GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, that's just too good. Well, Shadow, you know, they gonna make shots. But like we say, I still have to let. Not have Shay have 35. I can't do it. I got to let them beat me another way. You know, the team that makes. Makes them do that is the San Antonio Spurs. They make them do that. San Antonio makes other people play, and then that big boy over there block his side. So hopefully, if we see that series, I think it'll be a little different. I think they're going to trap Shay a little bit more, and then we'll see what happens. And that'll be a great series, you know, for me. You know, I would love to see that again.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, G.P. hold up, though. I ain't think. I didn't think Marcus Smart done a bad job. This the first game. He really got out on him, just to be honest. I mean, he shot 15 free throws. He won 12, 15 from the line. But I'm like, y', all, man. I think Shay understood the moment. And the way him and Mitchell play off each other, bro, it's unbelievable to watch because you, like, damn. We ain't even really know nothing about Mitchell until this year. If y' all just want to keep it 100, and for this team to sacrifice the way they do, look at Caruso, look at Isaiah, Joe.
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Shannon Sharpe
Look at.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Look at Wallace. Like, those guys, they never rush the issue Bro, they play the right way. The system is great. And like you say, when Shade's not on the court, hell, you still can't. You still can't run away. And if you trap him on the pick and roll, fellas, Hardenstein is too clever when it comes to distributing the ball, making plays. He ain't going to do nothing that's going to hurt you. So you trap and it goes to him. He got the high low with big Fella. He can spray out the three. You just got way too many options. You can get up. And his touch around the basket is impeccable. He has a nice little flow game. Hardenstein. So I think OKC is tough to beat.
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Shannon Sharpe
And you.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You can't. You can't just take Shay out, bro. They got too many ways.
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Shannon Sharpe
True, Joe. Hey, gp.
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GP (Gary Payton)
And they ain't even got Williams.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, yeah, that's what.
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Shannon Sharpe
Here's the thing, though. Here's the thing, though. I mean, you know, Mitchell only make $3 million a year. And they got him under contract for the next two years, plus a club option now. And now. Hey, hey, hey. I like Williams, too. But y' all telling me Williams is that much better than this kid?
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GP (Gary Payton)
Well, no, he ain't that much better, but he made 230 million.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's my point. But just think about. But just think about if I take Mitchell 3 million and then I go get me so I can go get. I can get a lot of playing for two plus GP and ISO.
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GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, they might.
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Shannon Sharpe
He's in the. This a playoff. This ain't no regular season game. Now, he doing this in the playoffs.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, yeah, I agree. He did a hell of a job. He did a hell of a number on the Lakers. But I think the test will come if they have to play the spurs, because he gonna have guys who gonna be able to go off the dribble, go at him and guys who can defend. You know, Lakers. We already know Lakers ain't got no damn guards who could defend outside of Marcus Smart. And he was doing a hell of a job against Shane.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you're right.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
He can only guard one of them. You know what I mean?
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Shannon Sharpe
And that's the problem that they got Joe, when you look at San Antonio, they can throw champagne at him, they can throw Vasil at him, they can throw, obviously, Castle at him. So they can throw a lot of different bodies at him. And so they don't necessarily have to trap. Because when you want to run your offense and you want to put Austin Reeves, who can score, you want to Put a guy that can space the floor. And Luke Kennard, the problem that you run in is that all he's gonna do is call for the pick. Whoever's guarding their guard, he's gonna call for the pick. They're gonna come pick the. They're gonna come get the pick, and then guess what? They gotta deal with him one on one. And it's every time. And that's every time. And so I was saying, trap him and get the ball out of his hands. But he was making the right decisions. He was getting the ball out of his hands, and the guys were knocking down shots. And that's when I say, you know what? Hey, guys, I done did everything I possibly could. I kicked him, I hit him. I called the cops on him. And they said, well, nothing we can do. They said, there's nothing we can do.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, them 19 turnovers just hurt you.
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Shannon Sharpe
Officer Reeves had eight. He had eight by himself. I think Marcus Smart had. Marcus Smart had six. I think LeBron had four. Yeah, that's just far too many turnovers. All right, guys, I'm. I'm at the hotel now, so I'm heading up to the room. I'll see y' all in about two minutes.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
All right, we'll catch you in a second. Hey, Ocho.
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Uncle Joe
Yes, sir. Talk to me.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
That was a hell of a game, though, bro.
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Uncle Joe
It was. It was. But listen, Joe, I think there are a lot of people that were watching the game. Those that are fans. Fans of just NBA basketball in general.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
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Uncle Joe
I think they were probably hoping that the Lakers could pull this off.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I was. I ain't gonna lie.
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Uncle Joe
I think they were hoping that the Lakers.
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GP (Gary Payton)
Well, Chad, you know, they wanted to see another game, man. They don't want everybody to be. Because that San Antonio, Minnesota game, Minnesota series is gonna go get seven. Seven games. They gonna go seven. So it's gonna give Oklahoma too much rest, man, and then we gonna see what happened. I wanted to see if the Lakers go one more to make. To make TV and make us see basketball, you know, J. We want to see basket.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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GP (Gary Payton)
It's like with the Knick stuff, man. We didn't want to see them sweep them, man. So the series. Good. So, man, it's crazy that we see. We got two sweeps, but the other two series is.
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Shannon Sharpe
Two.
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GP (Gary Payton)
Two.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm.
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GP (Gary Payton)
I'm happy. Detroit lost today, so we can see
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Shannon Sharpe
them a little bit more.
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GP (Gary Payton)
They gonna go. Go. They gonna go seven, I think.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You think? Hold up, G.P. you think Minnesota and the spurs gonna go seven? I think so I think I. I see, my thing is, it's an even game. Hell, if we've been out there, we just playing pickup, but when we be out there, GP is different because Joe, he changes shots.
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GP (Gary Payton)
He do things. He's so big, he can handle the basketball. He. He just altering a lot of things, man, and he changes the game. But when he get out, everybody else is whatever, you know what I'm saying?
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Shannon Sharpe
So, yeah, I mean, it's whatever.
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GP (Gary Payton)
And if he don't play 44, 45 minutes, they ain't gonna win. They're not gonna win. You see, when he got kicked out the other night, they couldn't do nothing with him, man, you know?
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Nah, it's an even game when he. When he's not out there. But when he is out there, I agree with you. He the cheat code, bro. Because not only can he score, but he's a hell of a distributor. He get guys involved because he draws so much attention. And hell, all you gotta do is throw the ball toward the rim and he gonna go get it like it's just too much. He puts so much pressure on you. And even if he don't block his shot, gp, Hell, when you drive in there, he the first person you thinking about, like, damn, hold on. Can I get this off? Do I need to just kick it out? Yeah, where he at? You know what I mean? So he always got you thinking, you know, when he's out there on the floor. And when he went out the other night, you seen how the lane just opened up? Guys were just kind of getting what they wanted, you know, they were playing both teams playing small ball. And I felt like the advantage was for Minnesota because they got Randall. You know, Randall has to be that bull in the china shop. He got to continue to put his head down and make things happen. And I think, you know, Minnesota got a chance, but I don't know if they can win the series.
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GP (Gary Payton)
I don't think they can win the series either, Joe, but I know that. I think they're going to beat them. They gonna beat them in Minnesota in Game 6. I think San Antonio will come out and probably try to destroy him in game five. So I don't like it. Shoot, man, we can get on a Sunday and see tv, man. We can see one of the hot ones, you know, That'll be good to see. Two game sevens, man, to just see who go. Who can go to the. To their conference final. That'll be great.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, I think. My bad. Go ahead, Ojo.
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Uncle Joe
Now I won't Say, for some reason, I don't know why Joe and I've been right with my basketball take so far, especially during the playoffs, agp. I've been right about all mistakes so far. Right. But. But I have a feeling, I don't. I don't know why as much of a difference as Wemby makes when he's on that court, whether it's defensively, offensively. For some reason, I think Minnesota's going to find a way to get it done. I don't know why I'm saying, oh,
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
you really the series.
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Uncle Joe
I do a gp GP I don't know why, Joe. I have no idea. Obviously both of you play the game at a very high level. They, you know much more about the game than I do. The people in the chat are probably going to laugh at me and say, ocho, please, you don't know ball, sit this one out. But for some reason, GP And Joe, I, I have no idea why. I just feel they're going to find a way to get it done just like last year.
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GP (Gary Payton)
Chad, they did it last year, man. They fooled. They got into the Western Conference final the same way. And people didn't think if that boy, if that boy Edwards get hot or something like that, man, hey, it could happen because it's 2:2 now and we
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
didn't think it was going to be like this now. Nah. But hey, but listen, listen, G.P. you know, ant man, he continued, he's getting healthier and healthier by the day. I think that's been the key thing because to start the series, you remember now he was coming off the bench and, and by, by Game 3 when they got home, hell, he was starting and he's been a whole totally different monster. But my thing is, when you think about it, fellas, with Wimby getting kicked out the other night, I know he pissed off about that G.P. you know, he probably going to come out trying to prove a point, you know, put his stamp on the game hella early. So I think it's going to be a tough. I think it's going to be A tough Game 5 for Minnesota, but obviously they've won on the road. They've won in San Diego, in San Antonio before. I think they can they make and do it again. But I think, I think the spurs going to be way too desperate, you know, to be able to lose games.
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GP (Gary Payton)
Not this with Joe. Joe, they going to blow them out. Joe. I know San Antonio get.
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Shannon Sharpe
They'll blow them out.
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GP (Gary Payton)
They're gonna blow them out in San Antonio, man. Watch what I tell you. Yeah, Minnesota ain't gonna have a chance.
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Shannon Sharpe
But you know what? Guys watching the game up close, in the Y shape, because I. I've seen the Thunder play before, and I've watched him before. Yeah, bro, he is so methodical. He knows. He's like, I want to get here. Now, I'm gonna let you push me all over here, and I'm gonna let you. If I gotta go. Look here, all I know is I'm going to California. Now, if I gotta go to New York and I gotta go to Massachusetts and come back down to drive down to Miami, cut through Georgia and Alabama, I already know all of that. But I'm gonna get to California, and you cannot stop me, bro. Think about it. In that fourth quarter, the and one that he hit, Marcus Smart can't play it any better than that. He played it. Beat it to the spot. He challenged the shot. He hit the shot. He fouled it. And he made it. What'd he do? He get Jackson Hayes in a switch from three. Boom.
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GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Jay Mitchell. What he do? He get him in a switch. Boom. And no matter what, just. And Mitchell, man, bro, he made some shots tonight. He made some shots tonight. Cause I was at the end where they in the second half. So I can see. I'm like, ain't no way he gonna make. How he make that with that angle?
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And the guys around me like, man, how did he. Bro, Hell, I'm asking my damn self how he made that. I just want y' all to know y' all gonna see this outfit again. I got had it on for two hours tonight. It's an lv, and I'm wearing it a damn game. So when you see. Hey. The game, you're damn right. And I got it on again. So I'm just telling you now, keep your mouth closed. Cause I'm gonna wear it again.
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Uncle Joe
Hey, I'm telling my. Hey, I'm telling the man. They business, man. Hey, get your ways out there. Get your money.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm gon tape Club Shay episode in it tomorrow. So you gonna see it again in three weeks, and you're gonna see it again out somewhere.
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GP (Gary Payton)
You gonna wear that thing out.
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Shannon Sharpe
It ain't gonna be get my money worth out of this. You damn skippy.
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Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, fellas. Hey. When you look at it, Ojo GP the great ones. The great ones, bro, they. They understand the moment. They know how to get to their spots. I don't give a damn what you do, bro. You know, they know how to manipulate the game. GP you know this bro, playing at the highest level, winning title. Hey, the, the great ones, the great guards, bro, they know how to manipulate the game to get to wherever they want to on the floor. Hey, if you don't trap him and get the ball out of his hands, he probably gonna make.
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GP (Gary Payton)
Hey, Joey, just like a Michael Jordan, man. I played against that dude all my career, man. He, when it's time for him to play, they play. You know what I'm saying? They go and get their money's worth. Where is that? He reminds me because of his mid range game as a young DeMar. DeMar DeRozan. They right there in their mid game and they stay that way and he makes shots, you know what I'm saying? Like I tell people, you cannot stop a score. You just got to contain him and hope that he have a bad game and then let everybody else hit him. But this Oklahoma team, they got too many weapons around them and they make yes and it opens everything up. And then you can't, you can't doubling. You can't. Because if they make his shots, you can't doubling. And then you gotta hope that somebody can guard him. And the Lakers didn't have nobody. Reeves and, and Canard can't guard him. You know, if they switch on him, they lunch me. That's, that's.
- [25:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, they can't guard it. Think about how they started the game. Lou Doer hit three, two bomb threes. So now you like, well, damn, Caruso comes in, he makes three bomb threes. And so you say, well, damn, if we trap him and they hitting shots. Mitchell, Mitchell was 12 of 18. We've seen Mitchell play at a, at an elite level that. Look, some of it is the Lakers because they can't defend. But I don't want to shortchange the guy because the guy's been playing extremely well. They, he, he didn't even make, he didn't even make the playoff roster last year. Now this man looking like, he like, hold on. I got teams out there looking like, hold on, wait a minute. He could, he need to be on our team doing that. He don't need to be on no bench. He don't need to be on OKC's bench. He needs to be on our bench starting. He's good. Look, and Chet and those big guys, they deter you because they every but a seven foot tall and you ain't getting anything easy. Cause even when they just go straight up, you can't see the basket.
- [27:00]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I'm like, no sir, but they.
- [27:02]
Shannon Sharpe
But they play well off because they're not a whole lot of team. They ain't able. What two teams, them in Cleveland that really play two bigs in their starting lineup. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody else got a big. And then everybody basically, you know, they got two legit big 6, 6, 11, 16. Now, granted, Alan, Jared Allen's only six nine, but he got a seven five wingspan. But these guys, these two guys are legit seven foot tall. And to play like you watch this team, I watched them watch the. I watched their substitution pattern. They're going to keep a score on there. They're going to have three. They're going to have three defenders and a big. They're going to keep a score. Three defenders and a big. So it is going to be Ludor, it's going to be Wallace, it's going to be Caruso, it's going to be some combination. And then you're going to have Shea and you're going to have one of those big. You have Hartenstein or you're gonna have Chet. So they're like. So they can switch a lot of things. And those big guys move better than you think. They not slugs. They're not slugs. They're not nailed to the floor.
- [28:08]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, hey. When you look at Hardenstein, he was a plus 30 tonight, fellas. He was the highest plus minus tonight. The men only had five points, 10 rebounds, five assists, three steals. He is such a pivotal part of what Oklahoma City does offensively and defensively. Like, he plays hard as I don't know what. And then he's a great facilitator, bro, in getting other guys involved. I think OKC got a great mixture now. I think everything is yet to be seen whether they can compete with the spurs like this because the spurs is such a juggernaut. And I think it'll be a hell of a series. But obviously they got to get out of that series against the T Wolves. But OKC got everything you need, bro. From scores to hard workers, great teammates. I think from top to bottom, it's gonna be hard to beat these boys.
- [29:02]
GP (Gary Payton)
But Joe, the thing that they got over Everybody is all 10 of them dudes coming in. They play deep, they play on, and you know what I'm saying? And they don't let off. So you don't ever get a let off when somebody subbed for somebody. So that's why it's so hard to beat this team. But I think that spurs team match up with them very, very well athletically
- [29:25]
Shannon Sharpe
wise, because they got defenders Also, yeah,
- [29:27]
GP (Gary Payton)
they got defenders, too. And you remember they won. They won 41 in the regular receipt. But this ain't the regular season now, this is playoffs. So we got to see what happens. But I still think that'll be a good matchup because I think both of them teams are going to play deep. And both of them got on. All of them got dogs. And everybody got people coming off the bench, too. They both got dogs. So I think I need somebody to
- [29:51]
Shannon Sharpe
explain this to me. The game time three. The guy that has the highest field goal, the highest three point percentage in playoff history, the guy that's leading the Lakers in threes, why the hell was he on the court? I need G.P. you played Joe. You played Joe. You an all star, GPU in the hall of Fame, got Olympic gold medal. I need you to explain. Ocho is the equivalent of your best wide receiver if the same thing would happen. And you, I don't know if you guys remember, y' all remember USC played Texas and they have a 4th and 1 and Reggie Bush ain't on the field. The guy that won the high trophy, he ain't on the field. We got a big a fourth down situation. And the way y' all tell y' all throwing the ball and Ocho ain't on the field, what the hell are we doing? Well, he's your best three point shooter.
- [30:35]
GP (Gary Payton)
Well, Shannon, you know what that. That was called? I think JJ really went off the defensive end because he thought that Canard couldn't guard anybody. So he didn't want to switch up because they were getting into pick and roll and they was keeping Canard in the pick and roll. And every time they got roll with Canard, something special happened. So he couldn't guard nobody. So he said, man, if I could stop him, I can go down there and score with Reeves and them like that. And I think that's what his decision was made, you know, for. For defense instead of offense. And it probably wasn't a good. Good, a good choice, but that's just the way it go, man. That's what I thought he thought.
- [31:14]
Shannon Sharpe
GP oh, Joe, you get the rebound, you get a stop. I'm taking a time out because I want the best. I want the best three point shooter in the game. In the game. Yeah.
- [31:24]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
- [31:24]
Shannon Sharpe
I gotta think about something. He hit a four point play to tie the game up. He hit big shot after big shot after big shot. He's been hitting big shots. If you look at it the four games, he's been their most consistent offensive player.
- [31:39]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
No Question. No question.
- [31:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I gotta get him in the game, guys. And I understand what you're saying. It's like, okay, defense, okay, we've done what we're supposed to do. And I know you don't want to burn your time out, but I gotta have him on the court. I just gotta.
- [31:52]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, yeah, I, I, hey, look, I understand what you're saying. I, I think, I think due to timing and the set that they ran when Austin Reeves kind of came up and got the ball, I don't think they wanted OKC to foul, you know what I mean? Which is why I think AR kind of, you know, he probably should have shot as soon as he caught it, but he took an extra dribble to try to get a little closer. But I, I, I mean, I get it. You know, Rui probably should have been in the game, and you're right, he'd been the most consistent guy, you know, from an offensive standpoint. I mean, hell, he shot the lights out this whole entire series. Yeah, I mean, he played great off run and ar. I mean, I'm like you, man. I'm watching my damn big shot after big shot, you know, just, just staying engaged, bro. I thought they played well enough to win offensively, and they just can't stop no damn body. Hell, we knew that the turnover, like
- [32:45]
Shannon Sharpe
you said, if I, first of all, if I got a, if I got a back, if my offense is pedestrian, the last thing I can do is turn the ball over because it's so hard. I have to expend so much energy GP to get back into the ball game that by the time I get back, I get even. When it's two, three minutes left, I'm
- [33:04]
GP (Gary Payton)
out of gas and near Shannon, it's unnecessary turnovers. Yeah, it's throwing the ball away, man. Just throwing it up there. And they tipping the ball. One time, Smart just turned around and threw the ball and it was the end of everybody. Nobody even there at half yards.
- [33:20]
Shannon Sharpe
I said, what are you doing? I was right there. I know what to play. And Austin Reeves tried to throw, tried to feed, tried to feed Rui from
- [33:28]
GP (Gary Payton)
half court, and he threw the ball underneath, underneath. I'm like. And then you remember. And then you remember, Smart did it again and they kicked the ball off the backboard and came back. You know what I'm saying? Them turnovers right there is costly, especially LeBron's turnover with only a minute to go, man. It was a minute.
- [33:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Now you, because at that point in time, what were they? Were they down?
- [33:53]
GP (Gary Payton)
They was only down 2, 107, 109. They could come down there and put pressure on them, but they came right back. And then you remember, they hit a three and they went up five. Yep.
- [34:03]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Listen, they playing too many damn minutes, fellas. Them dudes tired, man.
- [34:09]
Shannon Sharpe
Played 40 minutes. Rui play. He played. Rui played 43. I mean, he's trying to give Bron. The problem is, is that he's trying to give Bron a minute here. Okay, Time out there, so we'll give you a minute. They're going to take a time out, so that'll give you extra. But he was exhausted. He was exhausted. And the thing is, look, your recovery, I don't care what anybody tell you, as you start to get older, your recovery ain't what it once was.
- [34:34]
GP (Gary Payton)
Gp Absolutely. You know it, Shannon. Shoot, when you get in them 40s, man, your body, you gonna go lay down, man, and that stuff gonna be
- [34:42]
Shannon Sharpe
hurting for like, seven, you know, back in the. Hey. Back in the day, you like, hey, oh, baby, let me catch my breath now. Hey, I ain't what I used to be.
- [34:52]
GP (Gary Payton)
Amen.
- [34:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, let your boy get a glass of water. Keep that glass of water inside the bed. It get hot, I go drink now.
- [34:58]
GP (Gary Payton)
It take me 8, 7 days to get back.
- [35:03]
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta think about that, man.
- [35:04]
GP (Gary Payton)
And then you playing against people's bodies now and.
- [35:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly, man.
- [35:09]
GP (Gary Payton)
What, you think that's gonna happen?
- [35:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Marcus Smart tonight has six turnovers, five fouls, two buckets.
- [35:16]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Damn.
- [35:16]
GP (Gary Payton)
What did Reeves have? How many turnovers? Reeves.
- [35:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Reeves had eight. I knew it.
- [35:21]
GP (Gary Payton)
I knew it.
- [35:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, they came in at 8, Reeves had 8, Marcus Smart had 4. I mean, had 6, LeBron had 4, and Jackson Hayes had 1.
- [35:32]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Damn, it's hard to win, man. You get 19 turnovers, bro, in a game like this here, you gonna lose, bro. Cause okc, they don't turn the ball over like that. They had 11 tonight, but they normally don't turn the ball over, Joe.
- [35:43]
GP (Gary Payton)
They had 19 turnovers within four players.
- [35:47]
Shannon Sharpe
That's the problem.
- [35:47]
GP (Gary Payton)
Bang. You ain't never heard of that? 19 turnovers being four players? Come on, that's insane. You can't do that.
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Shannon Sharpe
The team with the worst record in the NBA each of the previous seven drafts failed to land the top overall pick. The Washington Wizards went 18 and 64, came out with the top pick. Washington was followed by Utah, tied for the fourth best odds at number two. The Grizzlies had the sixth best odds.
- [39:42]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
They got the third pick.
- [39:44]
Shannon Sharpe
The Bulls the ninth best odds. They got the fourth pick and the remaining Clippers, Nets, Kings, Hawks, Maverick, Bucks, warriors, okc, Heat, Hornets. The Pacers found themselves on the wrong end of the lottery. Look. Sunday, losing their 2026 first round draft pick. President of basketball operation Kevin Pritchard addressed the fan base frustrated with that. The season full of losing didn't add a high draft choice. Thanks to trading for the LA Clippers center Zubox in February. This is what he said. I'm really sorry to all our fans. I own taking the risk. Surprise. It came up a fifth after this year I thought we'd do some luck. But please remember this team deserved a starting center to compete with the best teams next year. We have always been resilient, Joe. Sometimes you got the dice of a. You roll the dice. Sometimes you hit a point, sometimes you roll snake eyes. Hello, they roll snake eyes now. So basically they traded the fifth pick in the draft. Not for Jokic, not for Wemby. Zubots is a double double guy. But I don't know if anybody would have been willing to trade the fifth pick in the draft for Zubots. And that's not a knock on him. But they rolled the dice and the dice didn't roll out, Nick. Turnover in their favor. You like what Kevin Pritchard said? You like the risk? No risk, no reward, no risk. It no biscuit, whatever the terminology you want to use. Do you like the. What the Pacers. Did you like them going for it?
- [41:20]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Well, listen, if you're a Pacers fan, yeah, you pissed off, okay. But I ain't mad that they, you know, went out on the limb, bro. You gotta. You got your nice Big and Zubot. But this draft is so deep, Uncle Ocho. Meaning? I think it's some real, real stars gonna come into the league in this draft that I know they feel like they missed out on a golden opportunity, bro. But at the fifth pick. It's just so tough, man. It's tough. I don't. I mean, I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're gonna do with that. If you.
- [41:58]
Shannon Sharpe
The coach Utah said. Damn it, we were so close.
- [42:01]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
They still making. They might can package something and get the number one pick. I feel like they.
- [42:05]
Shannon Sharpe
They're not. I don't. I don't. You. You think the Wizards gonna give up the Bonza? Hold on. Are you saying package the number one pick? What you mean? What they giving up, man?
- [42:15]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Maybe they give up Markerman and.
- [42:20]
Shannon Sharpe
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We don't want to give a marketing. No. Okay, Give us. Okay. Y' all will. Oh, yo, so that means. Hold on. Washington got it. So that means we just gonna flip.
- [42:30]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
We just gonna flip picks. We're gonna get y' all one, and we just gonna take two.
- [42:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, no, than that. Give me a. I need A.D. give me A.D. do you want Debonza or not?
- [42:43]
GP (Gary Payton)
Can we.
- [42:44]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Can we have a serious discussion here?
- [42:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, let's go.
- [42:47]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I already got Jaren Jackson Jr. And Lori Markerman. What the hell you gonna do with A.D.
- [42:55]
Shannon Sharpe
well, I tell you what we gonna give y'. All. Jerry Jackson. What? Listen, listen.
- [43:05]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
If I'm Washington, all right, don't move on the pig, man. Go draft the Bonzo. Put him with Trey Young, Andy Davis. Hell, it seemed like, hey, I seen something today. Every time you trade Anthony Davis, you get the number one pick.
- [43:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
- [43:19]
GP (Gary Payton)
You.
- [43:20]
Shannon Sharpe
That the Mavericks. You got Cooper Flag?
- [43:22]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
He left. He left New Orleans. You got Zion.
- [43:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Yep. You just came. He just. Cameron's called debonza looking less enthusiastic about Washington winning the lottery pick. Lady said, I'm excited. Obviously wanted to be the number one pick. Working to be the number one pick. So it'll be exciting. Great opportunity, Joe. How does debonza, Anthony Davis, Trae Young sound in Washington?
- [43:42]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
It sounds good. It's in the Eastern Conference. Debonza is from Massachusetts, Uncle Ocho. So hell, he back on the East Coast. He close to home. I mean, the Wizards will do, bro, for a start. And what better way or better two veterans to have Trae Young and Anthony Davis and this prolific score at the 2, 3 spot, you know, learning from these guys and them guys showing him the rope, that's kind of what. That's kind of what Dallas wanted to do with Cooper Flag.
- [44:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [44:13]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You know what I mean? And I feel like AJ Is ready for the moment, meaning he can be a 20 plus scorer from day one, we need to. Need Trey Young to average about 12, 13 assists.
- [44:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, he could do that. I definitely believe he can do a double double.
- [44:29]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
What? Oh, yeah, I know he can do a double double. I'm saying he ain't gotta be 25 and 12, but he can be anywhere from 18 to 22 a night, Uncle Ocho. And 10 to 12 assists. Hopefully he can be a double double guy. I feel like, man, that's a decent damn team if you ask me.
- [44:45]
Shannon Sharpe
It's being reported. The Wizards would report. Would consider trading down from the number one spot per Jake Fisher.
- [44:54]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Oh, yeah.
- [44:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, Utah. Utah. Say. I tell you what they say. Look here. What y'. All. What y' all want to do? What y' all want to do, I will need. I'm gonna need your next. Your next four picks unprotected.
- [45:06]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Oh, hey, hey, hold on, hold on. We just. We gonna. We just gonna swap one and two, and I'm gonna send you. I'm gonna send you an all star caliber player with it. How about that?
- [45:18]
Shannon Sharpe
I want your next four unprotected lottery picks. Do you want him or not? I'm gonna do like. Hey, I'm gonna do what you call them. Say, hey, hey, the Clippers and okc. Y' all won't. Y' all want Paul George? Y' all want Paul George or not?
- [45:35]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Listen.
- [45:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Cause I want three or four unprotected lottery picks. Now, do you want him or not? About to hang up.
- [45:41]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You need to take your emotion down.
- [45:43]
GP (Gary Payton)
Hang on.
- [45:44]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Take your emotion down. Just listen. Just listen to me. We both. We both at the bottom of the barrel right now, okay?
- [45:51]
Shannon Sharpe
But I got no more pigeons.
- [45:52]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I don't know why you trying to. Why you trying to take everything I got. I'm trying to help you. You can help me.
- [45:57]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't want your help. Right now you're in no position to help anybody.
- [46:00]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Huh?
- [46:01]
Shannon Sharpe
Right now you can't help me. I got the number one pick. So you know what? I tell you what I tell you what I do. You know what, Joe, you got in the closet space over there? Hang this up. Click. You see what I did to. About your heat? He over there, he tried to tell me, babe, we both in a bad spot. You call me. So I'm thinking if you call me, that means you in a worse spot than me.
- [46:22]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I'm giving you. I. I wanna.
- [46:24]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm.
- [46:25]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I'm giving you the number two pick, which is gonna probably be Dan Peterson. And I'm gonna give you an hour.
- [46:31]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't want it well, oh, if Darren Peterson gonna be so good, he falling right in your lap. Won't you just go ahead and take it if you want him so much?
- [46:42]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Well, listen, we've invested so much in AJ that we gotta have him in Utah, you know?
- [46:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly. And that's the thing. And guess what, Ocho and Joe, I know you need it. Guess what? I'm gonna get everything I. Because guess the thing is, when you make a deal in desperation, you give up more than what you should. And guess what, Utah desperate. They need. He went to high school in Utah. He went to college in Utah.
- [47:17]
Uncle Joe
Hey, hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, I don't. I don't really see them giving up that number one pick. Obviously, Washington is trying to improve. Why would you give up the number one pick? You already got 80. You got Trey Young. You. You. You wanna. You wanna change that atmosphere down in. Down in D.C. i. I don't see. I don't see him doing it. I don't see him doing it.
- [47:37]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, I don't see him doing it neither. Unless Utah come with something sweet. They're gonna have to come with a sweet deal.
- [47:43]
Shannon Sharpe
I just told you I want to. I want the next three, four up. Hold on. Joe, you do realize. Think about what Orlando gave up for Desmond Bain. Four unprotected lottery pick. Yeah.
- [48:00]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
For aj. Hell yeah.
- [48:02]
GP (Gary Payton)
We'll give you that.
- [48:02]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
We'll give you that.
- [48:03]
Shannon Sharpe
A.J. told you that. You said no.
- [48:04]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
And well, I took back to my man.
- [48:06]
Shannon Sharpe
That's why I hung up on you.
- [48:07]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
We had. We had. We had a discussion. And now I'm coming back to the table.
- [48:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Nah, too late. Now it's five. It's five. I moved it up.
- [48:15]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
That's okay. That's okay. We'll do it.
- [48:17]
Shannon Sharpe
Listen.
- [48:18]
GP (Gary Payton)
And we're gonna send you.
- [48:20]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
And we're gonna send you an all star caliber player with him. Who. Who you want?
- [48:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I got nobody with AD and what you call them?
- [48:30]
Uncle Joe
Trey Young.
- [48:31]
Shannon Sharpe
Trey Young. So what do we. What if we take. What if we take that number one? What if we. Okay, we swap and we.
- [48:36]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
No, I'm talking about Utah. Utah gonna give you.
- [48:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, we're gonna get y'. All. Y' all want the boxes. Y' all want the opportunity. So I tell you what we do. Just so y' all don't do no monkey business, we'll select him and trade him to you. You remember how they did? You remember how Jameson and Vince Carter and they just switched Webber and they just changed. Hey, come here. Your cap. Don't even put it on your Head. Give him your cap. You take his cap.
- [49:02]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah. Penny Hardaway, Chris Weber, same thing.
- [49:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, yes. That's what we gonna do.
- [49:07]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Well, listen, listen. Anyway, any way we can get him in Utah, we here and, you know, hopefully we can make something happen.
- [49:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Because think about it. You got George. You like Keonte? George, Joe, he can flat out score. You put it with a point guard. You got marketing. You got a. You got a Triple J.
- [49:28]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
That Ace Bailey.
- [49:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [49:32]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, man. But anyway, let's say you go down to three to Memphis. Who you go with? You going with Booza? The pairing with Eddie? Yep. Yeah.
- [49:45]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't think you got no choice. Oh, what you gonna put it. You hold on. Is job there or not there?
- [49:50]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
No, job gone. He gonna be gone.
- [49:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [49:52]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Point guardian, though.
- [49:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, if that's the case,
- [49:57]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
all things
- [49:57]
Shannon Sharpe
being equal, I think a point. I think. I think Acuff works better there.
- [50:03]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You think Acuff works better in Memphis?
- [50:05]
GP (Gary Payton)
I'm.
- [50:06]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
They got Acuff going to the Brooklyn nets at 6. I ain't gonna lie. I like that spot. I know. Now, I know Akoff probably want to go higher, meaning he probably wouldn't mind being a top three pick. But if I'm keeping it real with y', all, I don't want to see Acuff in Memphis. I want to see him in the big city. I want to see him in Brooklyn. What about.
- [50:26]
Shannon Sharpe
What about Wilson? Caleb Wilson? The guy from North Carolina?
- [50:29]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, hey, he nice Joe from Chicago, number four. Yeah, they got a nice young squad over there. He gonna fit in. He gonna be a star. He gonna be an all star in this league. Hunkin Ocho.
- [50:40]
Uncle Joe
So hold on, hold on. You got Kaylee Wilson going number four.
- [50:43]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, I got him going four.
- [50:44]
Uncle Joe
So you got the Bonza going one. Who you got going to? Peterson.
- [50:47]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, so who?
- [50:48]
Uncle Joe
Three?
- [50:49]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Boozer Boozle three.
- [50:50]
Uncle Joe
Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot about booze. Hey, so where Booze gonna go?
- [50:55]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
He gonna go to Memphis?
- [50:57]
Uncle Joe
Nah, Joe.
- [50:59]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
What you mean?
- [51:00]
GP (Gary Payton)
Now?
- [51:03]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Look, they just gave up Jan Jackson. So now they. They gonna replace that with Boo.
- [51:07]
Uncle Joe
They gonna fit. Okay, You. You right, you right, you right, you right.
- [51:09]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
And you got big Edie over there
- [51:12]
Shannon Sharpe
and don't hold on. Don't Memphis get Orlando's pick, do they? Let's see. I think they get. Because they had to give up four first round picks to get Ban.
- [51:25]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
That must be a later first round pick.
- [51:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I think.
- [51:42]
Uncle Joe
If I can be.
- [51:44]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, I can't hold on.
- [51:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, so at 14. What's that, Charlotte has 14 and 18. Okay, 14 and 18. So. So when does what you call them get the. When does Memphis get Orlando Pigs? Oh, Phoenix. Because they got Desmond Bain. Detroit. No, well, Phoenix. No, the Bane was a free agent. He went to Houston as a free agent. Right. Remember when. Excuse me. Dylan Brooks went as a free agent. So I'm trying to figure out who did they get over there? Okay. Okay.
- [52:30]
Uncle Joe
Yeah.
- [52:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Memphis has 3 and 16. Memphis has 3 and 16, and the 16 is from Phoenix. Okay. So they can.
- [52:39]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
They can build up pretty good.
- [52:40]
Shannon Sharpe
They get a good, solid pick. Number three. They get another pick at 16. Yeah, I just trade y'. All. They might get. I mean, get a solid player.
- [52:51]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah. I mean, because when you think about it and you look at it, I don't really think Josh did the coach system, bro. You know, he came in, he kind of changed the system. He using that overseas system.
- [53:01]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah.
- [53:02]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Ass cut, you know, catch and shoot and. Yeah, yeah. Job box office, bro. You know what?
- [53:10]
Uncle Joe
Hey, you know where he gonna be at, though, Joe?
- [53:12]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I hope he do go down there, Joe.
- [53:15]
Uncle Joe
He. He looking for a place down here right now, so we ain't. We ain't got nothing to worry about.
- [53:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you know, hey, Joe, they're gonna. Probably won't wear a.
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- [53:24]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Or. Or.
- [53:24]
Shannon Sharpe
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- [53:27]
Uncle Joe
That's fine.
- [53:28]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
They're gonna get Tyler hero.
- [53:29]
Uncle Joe
That's fine.
- [53:30]
Shannon Sharpe
But my thing is. I don't understand. You felt. You felt so you could have had James Harden.
- [53:34]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Who?
- [53:36]
Shannon Sharpe
The Heat. And they didn't want to get up off hero.
- [53:40]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You saying they could have got James Harden win a couple of years ago
- [53:44]
Shannon Sharpe
when he was available, but they didn't want to give up hero.
- [53:47]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I don't think they wanted to. I don't think they really wanted James Harden that bad. Man.
- [53:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Can you imagine James Harden with. With. With Bam?
- [53:56]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I can't imagine James Harden in Miami. Yeah, that's why I can't imagine.
- [54:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you know, they got. They got some nice adult entertainment.
- [54:06]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, hey, James like the party.
- [54:09]
GP (Gary Payton)
Okay, listen, if.
- [54:10]
Uncle Joe
If he could.
- [54:11]
Shannon Sharpe
If he could go in Houston, guess what? Pat Riley gonna tell him no.
- [54:14]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, you got to tell him.
- [54:15]
Shannon Sharpe
You got to tell him. No.
- [54:19]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, listen, y' all know, man, they really. They really got people in the clubs, bro, who let people know, hey, yeah, Bam in here tonight. Just let you know, Pat. Yeah, yeah.
- [54:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Route.
- [54:27]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, yeah, we see.
- [54:28]
Uncle Joe
Hey, that's perfect. That's exactly what my boy need. That's what my dog need. Coming down there from Memphis, come on down here to Miami. We gonna make sure you are Right. Cause the destruction, the ecosystem and the way things work, we gonna always have eyes on you. When you think we not even watching, that's what he need.
- [54:46]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
As long as you don't think Miami is paradise. And it's a damn vacation, boy, you
- [54:50]
Shannon Sharpe
gonna have a battle.
- [54:51]
Uncle Joe
Hey, boy. You're coming here to work, boy.
- [54:53]
GP (Gary Payton)
That's it. It.
- [54:54]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
That's it. You coming here to work. Don't be fooled by the palm trees in the water.
- [54:58]
Uncle Joe
No, sir.
- [54:59]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, don't be fooled. You got to be putting in some work.
- [55:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, I'm all for it.
- [55:06]
Uncle Joe
Let's go.
- [55:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Anthony Davis is the key to getting number one pick in 2019. Anthony Davis. Trade. Pelican trade. Anthony Davis. They get the number one pick in Zion in 2025. The Mavericks trade for Anthony Davis. Guess what? The number one pick. The Wizards trade for Anthony Davis. Guess what? Number one pick. So right now he's three for three.
- [55:28]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Isn't that ironic?
- [55:31]
Shannon Sharpe
People gonna say, see, See, y' all think y' all slick. NBA. We see what y' all doing now
- [55:37]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
listen, you know what? They couldn't make it obvious by giving Utah the number one pick, so they just gave him a little wiggle room. Like, man, y' all can really make some moves and maybe y' all can get that.
- [55:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Y' all need to work this out. What would have been messed up if OKC got the number one pick.
- [55:55]
GP (Gary Payton)
We.
- [55:56]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I'm glad they down there, too.
- [55:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Think about it. The Lakers got. The Lakers won the championship, and they got the number one pick with James Worthy.
- [56:03]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Yeah. No.
- [56:09]
Shannon Sharpe
OkC. OkC gets fit. So they get their own pick and Phillies pick. Right? They'll pick goes to Dallas. Who do they trade for? Dallas? Oh, you know that. You know, the NBA, man, they be bringing five or six teams in, and you get our pick in 2027, and we get your pick in 2032. Man, they still get what you say? 17. So they get. Oh, so this the last year for the Clippers. This last year they get the Clippers pick. Damn. Think about how long they be getting.
- [56:42]
GP (Gary Payton)
Clippers first round pick.
- [56:43]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Who get number five pick?
- [56:45]
Shannon Sharpe
No. The Clippers. OKC get the Clippers number 12 pick. The Clippers get Indiana's number five pick.
- [56:54]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Oh, okay. I wish now. I wish. I ain't gonna lie to y'.
- [56:57]
GP (Gary Payton)
All.
- [56:57]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I wish my Hawks would have got that number four pick. I took four. I ain't be. I ain't. I ain't asking for the B1 or two. But if the house could have got that number four pick and got Caleb over here.
- [57:10]
Uncle Joe
Oh, y' all still. Y' all still would have been home. I'm just saying.
- [57:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, they still got what? They still got one more card of this lead joe in 2027. Okc can pick swap. So they say, you know what? We like that pic y' all got. Let's go ahead and swap this thing out right now.
- [57:37]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Damn, cheating ain't the man.
- [57:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, you see what happened? Kawhi was a blessing and a curse because you got a superstar to come to la, but you had to give up so much and you he's the gift that keeps on giving. Damn.
- [57:57]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
He's the gift.
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- [60:57]
Uncle Joe
This is the part where I tell
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- [61:20]
Shannon Sharpe
So Gibby. Darrell Morey is out as president of basketball operations for the Philippines Sixers to keep Nick Nurse as their coach. Bob Myers, president of sports of Harris Blitzer Sports and Entertainment, will lead the search for the new executive for the Sixers and will oversee the franchise basketball department in the interim. Daryl Morris Six seasons running, the 76ers made the playoffs five times and finished 270 and 212, but never met once made it past the second round. Joe, how you grading his tenure?
- [62:01]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Oh, he got there right before James got there. Well, he's there a few years before
- [62:07]
Shannon Sharpe
he brought James there.
- [62:08]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, I don't know, it's just tough disaster when the process.
- [62:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Wait, hey hey.
- [62:20]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
When the process did damn work and now you at this point it's like because the league getting better teams in the east are better, you no longer at the top.
- [62:31]
Shannon Sharpe
You know why Gilman F. Because he gave Embiid an extension that he didn't have to. Embiid had two years left on his original deal. Gabe now wouldn't it be a lot better, Joe, if we didn't have Embiid was a free agent. Now we got him now we can say, hey, do we want to do this or not? You see Ocho?
- [62:50]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
- [62:50]
Shannon Sharpe
This would have been perfect. You signed a man, gave him three years, 192. The deal kicks in, they say, hold on, why are we doing this? Why? We don't have to. We got him for two more years under the current contract that he's one of the highest paid players. It made no sense. I was scratching. I'm like, hold on, why are you doing this? Based on his injury history, you mean to tell me you got the guy already under contract for two years, but you're willing to go past, Go three years past the two years with his injury history? It didn't make sense. And then what? What'd you give up to get James Harden? And you let him walk? Did he walk or did he end up. Did they trade James or did he walk as a free agent?
- [63:47]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Nah. What the hell did they do? I think they traded because you end
- [63:50]
Shannon Sharpe
up going to Clippers.
- [63:51]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
They got Paul. Did they get Paul George back for him?
- [63:54]
Shannon Sharpe
No, Paul George came as a free agent because. Because the Clippers wouldn't give him that. That fourth year.
- [63:58]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Absolutely. Damn.
- [64:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Who? No, not harlan. Not. Not. No, I'm talking about james harden. James harden got to philly. How did he get. He got the. He came from the nets, right? He came from nets.
- [64:34]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah,
- [64:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Cuz Darryl Bori came. First of all, ain't a whole lot of people could have said what he said and still had a job, considering how much money China spends.
- [64:51]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yes, sir.
- [64:53]
Shannon Sharpe
He said what he said. The mere fact that he got another job.
- [65:05]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Damn. Hey, it's gonna be some. Hey, it's gonna be some big moves made. I know that.
- [65:10]
Shannon Sharpe
I agree.
- [65:12]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
It's gonna be some big moves made this summer. Yeah,
- [65:19]
Shannon Sharpe
You're right. So you gave you. Yeah, that's what, that's what Philly gave up. Yeah, they gave up Ben Simmons, Andre Drummond, Seth Curry and two first round picks. You think you could have used them first round picks at some point in time, Joe?
- [65:36]
Uncle Joe
Absolutely.
- [65:37]
Shannon Sharpe
And then guess what? The guy that you gave up, he not there. So none of what you gave up is there. James Harden gone. James called you a lie, Jay. I mean, you believed in James, but for whatever reason, James said you was gonna get it done. And then you all of a sudden it come time to get that man his money and you ain't have no money for it. Or you say you couldn't give no money.
- [65:55]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
He said he was alive some type of way. Yeah, damn.
- [66:03]
Shannon Sharpe
But that, that I was. I was confused Joe. I really was Ocho and Joe, I was confused because I had him for two more years and I extended him knowing his injury history. Now, he had gotten me to the NBA finals. He had won a championship. Joe, I gotta think long and hard, but I hadn't gotten out the second round. Yeah, the best shot that you had is when Kawhi hit that shot. Was he there then? He might have not even been there then. I don't think he was there. When Kawhi hit that shot, he wasn't there.
- [66:33]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he hit it.
- [66:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Darren wasn't there. He hit.
- [66:36]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You talking about Joel Embiid?
- [66:38]
Shannon Sharpe
No, I'm saying Daryl Murray.
- [66:40]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Oh, you said. Oh, okay.
- [66:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, no, yeah, I know. Joel Embiid was there because he hit the shot over.
- [66:44]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was after they gave him that. They gave him that right after he won that mvp.
- [66:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [66:59]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Probably just trying to make him happy, you know, make. Let him know he has some security.
- [67:07]
Shannon Sharpe
You had two more years left on it. Damn. How much more security you want?
- [67:13]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hell, they letting him know. They let him know here he is it. He is the future. He is the one.
- [67:18]
GP (Gary Payton)
Joe.
- [67:19]
Shannon Sharpe
You got security guard in the house with Uzis. Damn. What you need bomb sniffing dogs too? The hell?
- [67:27]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, that's pretty much what they did.
- [67:29]
Shannon Sharpe
They did. And I think. I think. I'm not surprised by this move. I'll put it like that.
- [67:46]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
- [67:47]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't really think anybody, NBA circles are surprised by this move either.
- [67:52]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, look, when you get to. When you get to this point and the team underachieves somebody, somebody has a goal. I knew they weren't gonna get rid of Nurse. Nick Nurse. And hell, you can't get rid of if you just want to keep it 100. Can't get rid of Embiid. Can't get rid of Paul George.
- [68:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, boy, look here. I think Paul George contract might be harder to get up off of them than beads.
- [68:15]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, they. That's what I'm saying. You. So somebody has got to go. Sorry, Maury, we.
- [68:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Because guess what, ISO, what's up? Who gave. Who gave these contracts?
- [68:27]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, yeah.
- [68:31]
Shannon Sharpe
Who thought it would give me a great idea? Paul George coming off an injury to give him four years. The team, the team that he played for all those years was unwilling. So that's gonna make me a little leery. It doesn't always, Joe. Cause maybe, you know, maybe they're trying to hedge. But hold on, this team, they got this guy and he's like, damn, they don't want to go to four years and you, like, let me go on and jump out the window.
- [69:01]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You thinking, what, that I'm the only. I'm just trying. It's like. It's like a. It's like a real crook or a thief. You try to put yourself in they shoes. I'm trying to put myself in Derry Moore's shoe. I'm gonna tell you what he was thinking. Damn. We really ain't but, like a piece away. We get a Paul George type guy who can score and defend. We probably could win the year. We get him. So, yeah, we may have to, you know, make these numbers work a little bit, but this a guy who we need to go get. And then you had Embiid out here vouching for him, trying to get him, recruiting him, huh? Yeah. Hey, if you got your best player voucher, what you gonna do? Yeah, your hands are tied. Let's see if we can go make this happen.
- [69:45]
Shannon Sharpe
But you got to be careful with your best players recruiting. You do. You really have to be. Because if you look at Jerry Krause, he never listened to anything that Jordan had to say. He didn't?
- [70:01]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Nah. He didn't run nothing by him neither.
- [70:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Nope. So you got to be. You got to be real careful. I mean, you look.
- [70:11]
Uncle Joe
You don't think Mr. Cross listen to Jordan?
- [70:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Hell no. Why you think he. Did you hear what he had? What he said about him at his. At his induction? Did you hear how to Meet? You saw the documentary. How demeaning. He would.
- [70:24]
GP (Gary Payton)
Hell, no.
- [70:26]
Uncle Joe
Damn,
- [70:29]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
man constructed a hell of a team, though. I ain't gonna lie to you.
- [70:33]
Shannon Sharpe
They don't. He don't get no credit. He don't get no credit.
- [70:37]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
He doesn't. You know why he don't get no credit? Because he never gave them credit. The players. He never gave the player. He said as an organization. He always put things as an organization.
- [70:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [70:48]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
And versus. Versus. The product that's out there on the floor, that's. That's making you millions of dollars. That's. You know, you're right. Yeah. Selling out this damn arena night in and night out. We are. When you see that bull sign, we're a global icon, bro. Yeah.
- [71:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [71:05]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
- [71:05]
Shannon Sharpe
MJ Never made. Hey, you know what it was, Joe? Because they wouldn't give him no credit. He said, you know what? I'm putting this together. Y' all play it. I put this together. I put these pieces. I went and got Ron Harper, I went and got Dennis Rodman. I drafted Scottie Pippen. I drafted Horace Grant. I traded for this.
- [71:26]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
- [71:27]
Shannon Sharpe
I traded Oak for Bill Cartwright. I brought in these guys. It's. You don't realize how good you can be if you don't care who gets the credit.
- [71:40]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
And you never know, bro, when you see these great franchises, these great teams, you never know the turmoil that's going on behind closed doors. You thinking everything. Peaches and cream, man, these folks hate each other.
- [71:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Do. Red Auerbach wasn't running nothing about them. Red all back doing what Red wanted to do. You right, Joe. You. You right. It the same thing with the Patriots.
- [72:09]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
- [72:10]
Shannon Sharpe
You think Bill ran stuff by Tom Ocho?
- [72:14]
Uncle Joe
Hell, no. Now, hey, listen, I didn't know Jerry Cross was like. Like Bill. Now, if that. If that's the comparison, then I understand.
- [72:26]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah. Yeah.
- [72:27]
Uncle Joe
Nah, Bill don't play that.
- [72:29]
Shannon Sharpe
But you. But you. You. You got to. And I think the thing is, a lot of times you have to take personal feeling out of it, because if you don't take your personal feelings out of it, you'll hang on to a player a lot longer than what you should. It makes you harder and harder to get rid of said player when. Oh, he's like a son to me.
- [72:45]
Uncle Joe
Right?
- [72:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Coach Belichick a had no sons. He say, steve, my son, if you play for the Patriots, you not my son. I'm just being. I'm just being. I'm just being honest with you.
- [72:56]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah. Yeah.
- [72:57]
Shannon Sharpe
And that's. That's. That's how you have to look at it as a. It would be hard. It would be hard because when you're around somebody that you develop relationships. That's why. And that's why in certain situations, like the military or in a corporation, you're not supposed to fraternize with subordinates. Because if you have to fire, it makes it hard. If you built up a relationship with them guys, it just does.
- [73:22]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah. Yeah.
- [73:24]
Shannon Sharpe
If you. If we got wartime and you a subordinate and I'm a hire and I'm over you.
- [73:29]
Uncle Joe
Right.
- [73:30]
Intuit/T-Mobile Advertiser
Man,
- [73:32]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't want to say. I don't want to send her son out there, and I don't want to do this to this lady. It clouds your judgment.
- [73:38]
GP (Gary Payton)
Judgment.
- [73:40]
Shannon Sharpe
So Coach Belichick says, I'm going to treat all y' all like crap. So nobody. Nobody go say he got a favorite. I don't. Because you know what? I'll trade or cut all of you. Yeah, traded him. Vince Wolfolk, Ty Law lawyer Malloy. Rodney Harrison, Willie McGinnis, Logan Mankins.
- [74:02]
GP (Gary Payton)
Tom.
- [74:03]
Shannon Sharpe
It doesn't. He didn't care.
- [74:05]
Uncle Joe
Yeah.
- [74:07]
Shannon Sharpe
But he felt. And it's hard to argue. Look, we know the cog that made everything orbit 12. Yes. And 12 wanted to win so bad that he overlooked all that. He's a come on guy. Yeah, we know he.
- [74:27]
Uncle Joe
Yeah, hold on, hold on. Not only did he overlook that, he took less to make sure he was able to construct the team around him to make sure he could win.
- [74:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [74:35]
Uncle Joe
I wish players understood it, though. Hey, Joe, I don't think NFL players understand what they like the fact that they're playing football. Right. I'm living my childhood dream, but they. They still don't understand the nature of the business because they always get upset when you get. When you get cut. You know, when they play long enough, when they. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You gotta play long enough.
- [74:58]
Shannon Sharpe
You're gonna have enough. Play long enough.
- [75:00]
Uncle Joe
Yeah. It's a dirty business, boy.
- [75:04]
Shannon Sharpe
If you hadn't got cut, that means you hadn't played long enough. But play long enough.
- [75:08]
Uncle Joe
Oh, yeah. Sturdy business, but I love it.
- [75:15]
Shannon Sharpe
They cut Jerry Rice. Go look. Go back and look at some of the players that they've released. He's like, hold on. They released him? Yeah, absolutely.
- [75:23]
Uncle Joe
Hey, all the great.
- [75:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Play long enough because if you live long enough, everybody's gonna probably die of cancer. Well, he ain't die well. He just ain't live long enough. Something else got him before it did. And. And. But that's. But that's the way you have to look. That's the way you have to build. It's hard to build something to keep it going when you so close to everybody because it clouds your judgment, because you don't want to get off anybody and. And Paul cry and Jerry. Crowd says, I. I can't.
- [75:56]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, I've got.
- [75:57]
Shannon Sharpe
I've got to make tough decisions. I just have to. Coach Belichick says I've got to make tough decisions. And if you, my son, I don't want anything to happen to you. It's going to cloud my judgment.
- [76:05]
Uncle Joe
Right.
- [76:07]
Shannon Sharpe
I just say, I. I think what the. The biggest thing was. It's. It's. It's the Embiid thing. I think they're looking at it like, damn, we're on the hook for 192 million over the next three years, and
- [76:20]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
we don't know how much he gonna play.
- [76:22]
Shannon Sharpe
We don't.
- [76:27]
Uncle Joe
Change of scenery does wonders.
- [76:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, guys. Joel Embiid reportedly hasn't seen eye to eye with the Sixers. Front office even had an issue with the Jerry McCain trade, per Tony Jones. As the season progressed, it became clear that the start center didn't see eye to eye with front office and coaching staff in the days before the February trade deadline. He implored the front office to do something other than what he deemed ducking the luxury tax and such. He, along with others in the locker room, were not happy with the decision to trade second year guard Jerry McCain to the Thunder, particularly without bringing in a plan to replace McCain in interviews over the next few games and be noticeably had to hold hold himself back from verbally criticizing the front office. On April 1, a handful of players met with members of the Philadelphia 766 coaching staff before shoot around in Washington to express concerns over certain players participation in team activities and frustration over the direction of the 76ers. Among other things, the players expressed they felt wasn't enough control of the locker room. According to those sources, the meeting was tense enough to briefly imperil the team's shoot around. Joe, what we gonna do from that?
- [77:47]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Sound like a plea to me. Sound like, hey, hey. Sound like it's gonna be some. Some furniture moving this summer. That's what I think. I think. I think if you Philly, gp, Unc, Ocho, I think you, you have to weigh all your options. You have to weigh all your options. I mean, I don't know what the chemistry is like over there, but it don't seem great to me. And I'm saying from a fan's perspective, from a guy who watched the game and I look at body language and things of that sort, it don't look like they enjoy playing with one another. I'm just keeping it real.
- [78:20]
GP (Gary Payton)
And then, Joe, you gotta understand, I don't blame the coaches because coaches can't say nothing because these dudes make so much money. And once they come, the coach don't get fired. They ain't right. So what are we saying? Y' all gotta be accountable for yourself and Embiid, you know, he ain't been playing every season. He don't play too many games every season. But when he there, he's very effective. But listen, if that's Philly, I got two guards that are off the chain and the young fella and Maxi, they off the chains. I'll build right there. You got to think about what you're going to do with George Paul. I mean, Paul, George, Paul, George, George, Paul, Paul, George. And then you gotta understand, man, I would say, man, let's go get us some pieces. You know what I'm saying? Because they were playing well.
- [79:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Are you saying move off? Are you saying move off and Be.
- [79:14]
GP (Gary Payton)
I would. That was. That'd just be my. That'd be my opinion to do it. Just move on, man. Make it go somewhere. I'll get nice young pieces for it, and then we can go. We can go from there because you don't know. It's just almost like Anthony Davis. You move on with Anthony Davis.
- [79:32]
Shannon Sharpe
You don't know if he gonna play
- [79:33]
GP (Gary Payton)
every year, what you gonna get out of him. So why not go get some young players that gonna play for you every night? And we have opportunities.
- [79:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Me, ojo?
- [79:41]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yes.
- [79:41]
Uncle Joe
Hey, Uncle. Uncle, I got a question. When we talk about moving, right? When you think about it, not y', all. Y'. All three, y' all would know better than me. You know, one thing that the Lakers haven't had, they haven't had a much presence down. Down in the block. Right?
- [79:55]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah.
- [79:56]
Uncle Joe
What you think about embiId going to LA?
- [79:58]
Shannon Sharpe
You don't want to. You don't want a more expensive Anthony Davis. He plays less than ad.
- [80:03]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I think if you the Lakers now, you gonna take a look at it.
- [80:11]
GP (Gary Payton)
But when they don't. But when he on the floor, though, Shannon, he a beast.
- [80:15]
Shannon Sharpe
When is that?
- [80:16]
Uncle Joe
Yeah. Hey, I. I try
- [80:20]
Shannon Sharpe
not.
- [80:20]
GP (Gary Payton)
Not too often. But when he do play. When he do play, he'll. He'll. He'll bucket and he can get it.
- [80:26]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, and I think he'll have a resurgence as far as, like, who he wants to be as a player, a new scenery. He know he can't go to LA with this same type of, you know, attitude that he got over.
- [80:38]
Shannon Sharpe
We said the same thing, so.
- [80:39]
Uncle Joe
I told you.
- [80:40]
Shannon Sharpe
They say he ain't gonna. He said he gonna. GP we said the same thing about eight. Say, man, he gonna go there. He ain't got no choice.
- [80:49]
GP (Gary Payton)
Hey, but, Shannon, you shouldn't say that about him because we ain't talking about that. Hey, that. Whatever conversation y' all was having about that, y' all should have left that conversation because, listen, we talked about it. Who can really, really play now? Y' all should have left that conversation alone.
- [81:05]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm glad I wasn't on there that night, because I.
- [81:08]
GP (Gary Payton)
Hey, we ain't talking about this no more.
- [81:11]
Uncle Joe
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I don't think he's slick trying to. He trying to get that comment. Trying to compare goddamn eight and goddamn eight.
- [81:18]
Shannon Sharpe
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ain't no comparison. No, my thing is, is that it's hard when a guy has played 500 games, missed 500 games, GP. How do I build around that?
- [81:30]
GP (Gary Payton)
Hey, that's why I told Philadelphia, move on.
- [81:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Whoa. Move on.
- [81:36]
GP (Gary Payton)
You got two good guards there. That. Then you, you know, well, like I said, you got Paul George, who. Who is looking.
- [81:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [81:47]
GP (Gary Payton)
He'll score when he needs to, and Maxi is your main focus. Just get some pieces around there, put you a three team, team deal in there, get you something for it, and, man, y' all can go and rock. Rock out.
- [82:00]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, and I like Grimes and Uber. I think you keep those guys around too. Yeah, you keep those guys around too. But I think Embiid still got a little value on that. A team will be like, you know what?
- [82:13]
Shannon Sharpe
We'll.
- [82:13]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
We'll take a chance. Risk. We'll risk it. Like, you know, considering, hell, when he does play, you know, he's pretty decent. I just think he need a change of scenery, man.
- [82:24]
Uncle Joe
Yeah, that's how I told Unc that the other night. I think a change of scenery would
- [82:28]
GP (Gary Payton)
do great for him. It'll be great for him even though he don't play. Let him go change the scenery, man, and get up out of there, man. If he ain't happy, man, go somewhere else. Else. Go somewhere else and do it. I think you'd be good in Miami,
- [82:43]
Uncle Joe
gp. I know Yan is coming to Miami already.
- [82:46]
GP (Gary Payton)
You say Yan is coming there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [82:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Miami, boy.
- [82:52]
GP (Gary Payton)
You want Miami to have everybody.
- [82:57]
Uncle Joe
We ain't had nothing in the wild. Now. I know we got bam. I'm saying we ain't had nothing in a while. I talked to Pat. Pat, Pat gonna. He gonna let. He gonna. He gonna come off the range.
- [83:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Joe, how MB Go look in Miami with Pat Riley and his body fat.
- [83:09]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hold up. I'm gonna ask gp. Gp. You know Riles ain't going for that, Shannon.
- [83:15]
Shannon Sharpe
He ain't going for that.
- [83:17]
GP (Gary Payton)
That boy. That boy coming there fat and all that. He will not play. Regardless, everything, they had him at practice two times a day. No way possible. Hey, hey, GP. Hey. I was 37, 38. They had 3% body fat. I said, man,
- [83:42]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, hey, hey, tell about. Tell him about the weight and body fat on Friday.
- [83:47]
GP (Gary Payton)
Oh, my goodness, man, he got a pinch. He got to put that thing on your. Man, he putting that little thing pinch thing on. You be too much on there. You gonna go get in that sauna. You doing all that? You get suspended. You getting fine. You get all that. I'm like, man, that's crazy. And then one time, three of us was over. Over body fat. He put the bikes in the middle of the Floor. And he had us ride that thing for an hour and 30 minutes with the leaves and all that on our chest. And we was getting up, pumping, man. And then we went and had practice for two hours. I said, man, this man crazy.
- [84:31]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, Ocho, he ain't lying. Let me tell y' all something. When I left Brooklyn and came to Miami, bro, you know, I was a little overweight. I was overweight. Hey, look, you got. You already got. You already got pre practice and then you got practice. Yeah, hell, I was there before pre practice on that damn bike GP Talking about. I was there an hour before pre practice riding the bike for a whole 45 minutes. Then I go to pre practice.
- [84:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Practice.
- [84:56]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hell, UD D. Wade and all them. They in pre practice. Then once we get done with pre practice, that's when regular practice start. Hey, man, when you leave there, your ass go to sleep.
- [85:07]
GP (Gary Payton)
And he is four hours easily in there. And then. And then. Look, look, look, look, fella. We still had a training camp where you get double 2A days. You know what I'm saying? He. He put cots in the. In the. In the locker room and said, man, y' all might as well just right here, man. Cause y' all ain't gonna make it to get back. You know what I'm saying? That's how it was.
- [85:35]
Shannon Sharpe
So. So you said no. MB no to Miami. GP and being.
- [85:43]
GP (Gary Payton)
Be accountable for the thing. They ain't coming to get him. They ain't gonna pay him that much money. And he. And he don't be playing.
- [85:49]
Shannon Sharpe
He got three years guaranteed at 192 million.
- [85:51]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, well, they won't go. He. Pat won't go take that. That here. He'll be like, no, I'm off that. He won't do that here. Go.
- [86:00]
Shannon Sharpe
He'll go.
- [86:01]
GP (Gary Payton)
He'll go get the boy from Milwaukee before you do all that.
- [86:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Giannis.
- [86:05]
GP (Gary Payton)
Giannis. He'll go get Giannis before you do that. Because he know y' all is gonna come play.
- [86:10]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah. Yeah.
- [86:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Wow. I'm trying to figure out where. So where is it? Where is he gonna go?
- [86:26]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
He might go to la.
- [86:27]
GP (Gary Payton)
If he come to la, he might as well just come to the Clippers. Just go to the Clippers. Yeah, go to the Clippers. You could put that where. You could put. You could put Kawhi with him.
- [86:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Damn. So you want two guys that don't play a whole bunch of GP But
- [86:43]
GP (Gary Payton)
Kawhi getting better, though. Shannon Kawhi played the most he played this year. He played what he played almost like 60 games.
- [86:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he missed. He missed. He didn't play till January.
- [86:54]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, yeah.
- [86:55]
Shannon Sharpe
You know how that goes.
- [86:56]
GP (Gary Payton)
You know what I'm saying? But he's getting better. I think if they both play 60 games, they'll be cool.
- [87:03]
Shannon Sharpe
You do realize, realize. Hold on and pull up. When the last time he, you know, only one time he's played 68 games in his NBA career.
- [87:12]
GP (Gary Payton)
Probably. Probably one time.
- [87:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he won the MVP that year.
- [87:15]
GP (Gary Payton)
And how many. How long you been in the league?
- [87:18]
Shannon Sharpe
I think probably a dec. You figure he's missed. 485. 485. So that's what? 960. So at least 10 years.
- [87:27]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Ooh.
- [87:27]
GP (Gary Payton)
See, that's crazy. That's crazy to me that you. That you missed that, man. And then you. You done. You done missed more games than you done played and made all that money. Come. Come on, man.
- [87:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, hey.
- [87:41]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Then when you think about it, Embiid getting 193 over the next three years, hell, that's gonna. Hey, that mean you gonna have to give up a. Yeah, that's like, What?
- [87:50]
GP (Gary Payton)
That's. That's $60 million, 65 million. Almost $65 million a year.
- [87:55]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, I don't know. Philly might have to figure that one out, gp.
- [87:59]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, they gonna have to suck that one up, man. But I try.
- [88:01]
Shannon Sharpe
I try to get him on.
- [88:03]
GP (Gary Payton)
I try to. I try to get him up out of there. You know what I'm saying? I would have.
- [88:08]
Shannon Sharpe
You take him.
- [88:10]
GP (Gary Payton)
I don't know what. Take him, though. Shoot, you gotta go down there to Houston. They got some players that they can swap for him. The big boys, you know, they got some other players that can do it. Houston got a lot of little things that go. And then you got that Sacramento team, they got a lot of little youngsters over there, you know, but you're gonna have to have a three team trade in it. You're gonna have to have three teams and it's gonna be a lot of picks.
- [88:36]
Shannon Sharpe
So he got drafted in 2014.
- [88:40]
GP (Gary Payton)
He been there for 12 years.
- [88:43]
Shannon Sharpe
So 2014 to 2025 is. 2014 to 2023 is 10 years. 24 is 11 years. His 12th year, he's going to 13.
- [88:52]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, going. Yeah, this was his 12th year. Next year.
- [88:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, going to the year 13. I don't know, GP.
- [88:59]
GP (Gary Payton)
I'll let him go, man. I would have to make a change. I just. I'm just saying make a change. I say just come with a new.
- [89:07]
Shannon Sharpe
You got.
- [89:07]
GP (Gary Payton)
You got young stars, you got youngsters, little guards and, you know, Shannon. That's what the league is about now.
- [89:14]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Guards.
- [89:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, his first. Check this out, guys. His first two years, he didn't play at all. So 2014-15, 15, 16, he didn't play. The next year, he played 31 games. Then he played 63. 64, 51. 51. Then the year he won the. The MVP, he played 68. The next year, he played 66. Then he played 39. 19. 38. In 10 years, he's played 400. He's averaged 49 games a season.
- [89:48]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Damn.
- [89:49]
Shannon Sharpe
So he's averaging. Missing 32, 33 games a year. That's 10 years he played. So the first two years, they only count them. He didn't play at all. He did not play a single game in his first two years.
- [90:03]
GP (Gary Payton)
So he almost missing half of the year every year.
- [90:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Year. Every year.
- [90:09]
Uncle Joe
Hey, but we know what he gets
- [90:14]
GP (Gary Payton)
when he helps on the court.
- [90:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, that's like.
- [90:16]
Uncle Joe
Yeah, he's a force to be reckoned.
- [90:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I know. I know. I'm supposed to get a check every month, but, hey, sometime it comes, sometime it don't. But when it come, it's nice. You living your life like that. No. Hell, no. And ETS ain't gonna live their life like that either.
- [90:32]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, I don't think they gonna do that. Ain't too many.
- [90:35]
Shannon Sharpe
33 games a year. Think about that, Ocho. Think about it. For wide receiver, missed five games. Let's just say one of the top wide receivers in the league in every year.
- [90:44]
Uncle Joe
Yeah.
- [90:45]
Shannon Sharpe
17 games. He missed five of them. They gonna move on.
- [90:51]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, they gotta go. Like I said, I'm still on the bandwagon, trying a new. Get a new.
- [90:58]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
But they. They ain't gonna be able to move on. Man, with that big contract, you got to.
- [91:02]
GP (Gary Payton)
That's why you got to put a lot of. Joe, you got to put a lot of.
- [91:05]
Shannon Sharpe
And you got to take some of it on. Hey, hey, you got to take some of it on. GP And Ocho.
- [91:11]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yeah, you got to take.
- [91:12]
Shannon Sharpe
You got to take. I'll pay. I'll pay $50 million. I would. I'd be willing to pay 50 million. That way, I get up out of 142 of it. Yeah, I can't. I can't eat the. I can't eat the whole thing.
- [91:26]
GP (Gary Payton)
Oh, but dang, I wouldn't eat it. I wouldn't need it. You done tried it out for almost 12 years. What you want to do now? He tried it for 12 years, Ocho say.
- [91:36]
Shannon Sharpe
But you know, when he. When he. When he.
- [91:37]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
When he play.
- [91:38]
Shannon Sharpe
You know what he is. Yeah.
- [91:40]
Uncle Joe
Win, especially. Hey, listen, when he plays, you know what he is. Cause that's why he's making the money he making. And he missed all that damn time.
- [91:48]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, y' all know it. It's like.
- [91:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Like.
- [91:53]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
It's like somebody else having one of your exes being like, oh, she gonna be better with me. That's how. That's how teams gonna look at.
- [92:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey.
- [92:00]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
They'd be like, oh, you know what? We'll whip him in some shape. He'll play more games with us. You know what I mean? It's. Teams think like that.
- [92:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Of course. Yeah. You always do. Hey, yeah. I don't care what she was with him. She ain't gonna be like that with me. I be. Damn. I see why old boy got up off you.
- [92:18]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey.
- [92:20]
GP (Gary Payton)
You seen why?
- [92:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey. But think about this. In 10 years, 1, 2, 3, 4, he's only played at least 60 games. Four times in 10 years.
- [92:36]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Damn.
- [92:36]
GP (Gary Payton)
Crazy.
- [92:40]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
And the boy got some game.
- [92:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I like what he plays.
- [92:45]
GP (Gary Payton)
We ain't talking about that. We just talk about him being healthy, his availability. Yeah. It's just like Buddy. Always just like. AD he got game, too, when he healthy. He obese, but he just can't stay on the floor.
- [93:02]
Shannon Sharpe
AD gonna give you 20, somewhere between 22 and 25. He gonna give you somewhere between 10 and 12 rebounds. Gonna block you two and a half, three shots a game.
- [93:11]
GP (Gary Payton)
Yep, yep, yep.
- [93:12]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, hey. If y' all ask me, I think these are personal decisions that these guys are making, too. Meaning, like, you gotta take care of yourself, bro. In the off season.
- [93:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [93:22]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Like, it's the off season here, but as a professional player, man, you gotta always stay in some shape.
- [93:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. You can't.
- [93:29]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
You can't come into camp. You can't come into camp thinking I'm gonna whip into some shape real quick. Hell no,
- [93:36]
Shannon Sharpe
G.P. you know, when you got some height you can put some pounds on. Easy, easy. You do like easy, easy.
- [93:46]
GP (Gary Payton)
So, Joe, how many games you missed, probably, you think, in your career, bro?
- [93:51]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Listen, hold up, GP Ocho. For over a decade, I was an iron man. You know what I mean? Like, to where I didn't miss a game. Like, I really enjoy playing the game. So I do whatever to make my body feel good or whatever sacrifices I gotta make to be able to be out there on the floor. I was always ready to do it, regardless of the circumstances or the situation I was in. Whether I was the guy or one of the guys or the third, fourth, it didn't matter. To me, man, I really enjoyed playing the game. So I would never cheat myself like that. So, you know, I think that was honorable in myself just by being mentioned being an iron man. A guy who done played over countless amount of games and never missed a game. So, you know, I always relished that, bro. Like I tried to keep that pace.
- [94:35]
GP (Gary Payton)
Didn't I tell you to see? It's a different mindset. I played 17 season and I only missed 25 games.
- [94:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Damn.
- [94:42]
GP (Gary Payton)
That's all I miss, 25 games. 17 seasons, you gotta enjoy playing. For six years, I played 82 straight.
- [94:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, Joe, Joe. From 03 through 06, Joe never missed a game. And then he played 57. And then he went 82, 79, 76, 72, 60, 72, 79, 80, 81, 57, 24, 78, 55, 32, 23.
- [95:17]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Balling like a dog.
- [95:19]
Uncle Joe
Okay, Joe, you. Hey, Joe, you was a little durable out there, huh?
- [95:22]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Yeah, man. Hey, hey, hey, hey. The best ability is what?
- [95:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Availability. Availability. Hello.
- [95:28]
Uncle Joe
Hey. Yeah, Joe. I hope, I hope you're available soon too, man.
- [95:31]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I'm gonna be. I would be available. Get off of your ass
- [95:36]
Shannon Sharpe
tonight, man.
- [95:36]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
I'm trying to be cool. It's three something in the morning. Don't play with me tonight, man.
- [95:41]
Uncle Joe
Hey, hey, hey, Joe, that's the liquor talking. You can't do nothing with me in your own.
- [95:46]
GP (Gary Payton)
Oh, Chad, you talking big, big money. Yeah.
- [95:50]
Uncle Joe
Hey, gp. Hey, hey, gp. Man, I'm finna wash that, man.
- [95:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Gp.
- [95:55]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Gp. Gp, that man pure garbage, man.
- [96:01]
GP (Gary Payton)
Watch. I watch that man every. Every summer on this big three boy, he get.
- [96:11]
Uncle Joe
Hey, gp. Listen, I seen him play, gp. I know all his moves. I know his mannerisms. I know what he gonna do when he going left. I know when he going right. Gp. One thing about it, I got a gift, right? I got a gift for Gab. And I'mma Gab?
- [96:23]
Shannon Sharpe
You talking about the Gab.
- [96:24]
Uncle Joe
Oh, having that elbowing like whiskey.
- [96:29]
GP (Gary Payton)
Hey, Chad, I gotta see this one, man. Because they call him buckets. Straight Buckets.
- [96:38]
Uncle Joe
Hey, you know what they call what they call me? Huh? The ISO. Stop.
- [96:44]
GP (Gary Payton)
Oh, you. Joe. ISO.
- [96:45]
Shannon Sharpe
You stopping?
- [96:46]
GP (Gary Payton)
Joe ISO.
- [96:48]
Ocho (Antawn Jamison)
Hey, gp. Gp. I got something for his ass. Don't worry about it. I got something for his ass.
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