Best of NFL News Part 1: CONFUSED how Kirk Cousins keeps getting PAID, REACTS to Jeremy Fowler EXPOSING Jalen Hurts for being UNCOACHABLE!

Summary

Nightcap Best of NFL News Part 1: CONFUSED how Kirk Cousins keeps getting PAID, REACTS to Jeremy Fowler EXPOSING Jalen Hurts for being UNCOACHABLE!

Date: April 4, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (“Ocho”), with guest Tony

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Overview

In this lively, unfiltered episode, Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, joined by Tony, tackle new NFL headlines with their signature banter and real talk. The trio dives into the enigma of Kirk Cousins' lucrative career, discusses Jeremy Fowler's report calling Jalen Hurts uncoachable, breaks down controversy around Puka Nacua, and dissects facility upgrades and trade rumors throughout the league. The conversation is honest, funny, and full of player insights rarely found elsewhere.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kirk Cousins’ Surprising New Contract & NFL Payday Mystery ([02:57]–[09:23])

• Cousins’ Career Payday Breakdown:
  The group is amazed at how Kirk Cousins continues to secure high guarantees, despite modest playoff success.

  • "Cousins signs a five year, $172 million deal...it'll be the 11th straight NFL season in which Cousins has had a fully guaranteed contract." – Ocho [02:57]
  • Shannon/Unc attributes his fortunes to a mix of "favor," "timing" and not burning bridges, highlighting the value of relationships in the NFL.
    • “God has favor for certain people. Obviously, timing for Kirk Cousins has always been impeccable. Along with him betting on himself…every time he hit, he hit big.” – Unc [04:11]

• Cousins’ Perennial Luck and Networking:
  The co-hosts, referencing their own experiences with coach loyalty and veteran mentorship, stress how impactful NFL relationships are for a veteran like Cousins.

  • “That’s why you don’t burn no bridges. You see how that works? Because them guys go elsewhere.” – Uncle Joe [05:13]

• Staggering Earnings Despite Modest Results:
  Ocho points out that "Kirk Cousins had earned more money in football than Michael Jordan did playing basketball. More than Tiger Woods earned in playing golf, more than Serena Williams playing tennis." – Ocho [08:15]

  • Notable: Despite 14–15 years in the league and massive earnings, Cousins has just one playoff win ([08:09]).
  • “He won the Super Bowl with that bank account.” – Ocho [08:59]

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2. Jeremy Fowler Exposes Jalen Hurts as “Uncoachable” ([22:11]–[28:47])

• The Report:
  Ocho cites Jeremy Fowler’s claim that a source in the Eagles building says Jalen Hurts is “not the most coachable player,” with teammates noticing his reluctance to adapt or show buy-in ([22:11]).

  • Fowler’s details include Hurts calling his own plays, resisting coaches, and displaying "poor body language."

• The Hosts’ Take:

  • Unc: “I don’t like the nitpicking about...body language, because his body language has always been like that. That’s just who he is.” – Unc [23:34]
  • Ocho, pushing back: “What about the most coachable? Especially being a quarterback that’s had success, that’s already won a Super Bowl...don't you have to be coachable in a sense?” – Ocho [24:05]
  • They agree that the leak must have come from inside the Eagles' facility and suggest the coaching issue may be rooted in frustration with Petula’s system.

• AJ Brown Fallout:

  • The crew notes star receiver AJ Brown (Hurts’ close friend) reportedly wants out, hinting at discord.
    • “How you fall out with that? You one of the reasons that I came…now all of a sudden, I want to leave Ocho even after I won a Super Bowl. Nah, I’m good, cuz. Let me go.” – Ocho [25:39]

• Broader Implications:
  “You make it, you making $50 million a year. I don’t want to hear nobody say, Saquon, you gotta get it done...you gotta get it done.” – Ocho [28:35]

  • The panel reflects on the pressure placed on highly-paid QBs and how locker room issues can ripple through a team.

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3. Puka Nacua Checks Into Facility After Off-Field Issues ([28:56]–[33:45])

• Nacua’s Growth & Advice:

  • Ocho updates listeners on Rams WR Puka Nacua voluntarily checking into a facility for personal growth after off-field controversies.
  • Unc’s advice: “Understand the opportunity you have that’s in front of you. Understand how hard you worked to get to where you are...Don’t lose sight. The main thing is the main thing – football.” – Unc [29:35, 33:24]
  • Tony underscores the dangers of distractions and modern pressures, especially for young players in the spotlight.

• Reflection on Modern Athlete Pressure:

  • “It's harder nowadays...Everything gets seen. There’s cameras everywhere.” – Tony [32:11]
  • The group encourages athletes to focus, avoid public opinions on everything, and recognize when to seek help.

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4. NFL Facilities Arms Race: 49ers, Bengals, and League Trends ([38:39]–[46:45])

• 49ers Facility Upgrades:

  • John Lynch responds to a poor NFLPA report card on team facilities by investing in more staff, hydrotherapy, and cold plunge pools ([38:39]).
  • Ocho and Unc praise teams for acting on feedback rather than hiding it.
    • “Instead of like, oh man, I can't believe they did this—they did something about it.” – Ocho [38:39]

• Locker Room Luxury:

  • Anecdotes about “state of the art” upgrades in Cincinnati and Atlanta facilities, contrasting current luxury with the old-school “trash can cold tubs.”
    • “Hey Joe, the locker rooms...I ain't never seen nothing like that, Joe...It looked like a five-star hotel.” – Unc [40:33], [41:49]

• Importance of Recovery Tech:

  • Conversation on modern recovery tools (infrared beds, hydro tubs, cryotherapy), plus playful ribbing about who has the most money to afford them.
  • “Hey, Joe, you got money, boy?” – Unc [46:16]
  • “It ain't about having no money, Ocho. It's about being intentional and proactive.” – Tony [46:24]

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5. Miles Garrett Trade Rumors & Defensive Player Value ([47:58]–[61:00])

• Contract Language & Trade Speculation:

  • The Browns restructure Myles Garrett’s $29M roster bonus, making it easier to trade him, despite front office denials ([47:58]).
  • “When they get in front of that camera, they gonna act like a politician...and it’s not the truth.” – Unc [49:19]
  • The hosts predict Garrett will seek a win-now destination, possibly Philly or Dallas.
    • “When Miles Garrett end up over there in Philly, make sure y’ all come back and just replay this.” – Unc [55:00]

• Deserving to Play Meaningful Football:

  • Ocho advocates for star defenders having the chance to perform on the biggest stage, not wasting HOF talent on losing teams.
    • “I just want Miles the one time to play meaningful football.” – Ocho [56:01]

• Legendary Defensive Impact Comparison:

  • Unc and Ocho discuss Aaron Donald and John Randle’s dominance as undersized DTs, the grind of the position, and Donald's likely retirement out of lost passion—but not lost ability ([57:31]–[61:14]).
    • “It’s not that they don’t love the game, but I can’t give that same level of intensity...to the game.” – Ocho [58:04]

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6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Banter

• “He [Cousins] won the Super Bowl with that bank account. Yeah, he in the Hall of Fame. Won’t you? With that bank account?” – Ocho [08:59]
• “It doesn’t matter where the nose goes, when the doors close. I mean, when you close the door...it’s all sex.” – Unc (on not judging athletes’ personal lives) [12:12]
• “The devil gonna be working overtime. I’m talking about, he gonna be working overtime...Stay locked in, bro.” – Tony, on young athletes [30:37]
• “Hey, Joe, you got money, boy?...It’s about being intentional and proactive.” – Unc & Tony [46:16–46:24]
• “When they get in front of that camera, they gonna act like a politician...it’s not the truth.” – Unc, on Browns execs [49:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Kirk Cousins' Contract/Legacy: [02:57]–[09:23]
• Jalen Hurts “Uncoachable” Report: [22:11]–[28:47]
• Puka Nacua Off-Field & Advice: [28:56]–[33:45]
• Facilities Upgrades/Training Tech: [38:39]–[46:45]
• Myles Garrett Trade Speculation: [47:58]–[61:00]
• Aaron Donald/DT Legends: [57:31]–[61:14]

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Overall Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, humorous, and sometimes brash—reflecting the personalities of both Ocho and Unc. They blend football analysis with life lessons, personal anecdotes, and competitive ribbing, making the insights both entertaining and directly relevant to current NFL debates.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a deep-dive into the realities behind the headlines: why some players always get paid; how locker room culture and front office leaks shape narratives (especially in Philadelphia); the importance of mentorship for young stars under pressure; the facility arms race; and why elite defenders like Myles Garrett deserve a chance to play for rings.

If you want real talk you won’t hear on network TV, Nightcap’s Best Of NFL News is essential listening.

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[Uncle Joe]

I told. I told you, Uncle Joe. Well, God has favor. God has favor for certain people. Obviously, timing for Kirk Cousins has always been impeccable. Along with him betting on himself, Unc, when he was in D.C. oh, that's how y' all want to play? You know what I'm betting on myself, I'm definitely taking. And every time he hit. Hey, he hit big. Every time he hit big in Washington, he hit big in Minnesota. Hell, he hit big in goddamn Atlanta. And lo and behold, here we go,

[Ocho]

right back up, right back at it again.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, and that's a good security blanket for them, too, huh? That's a good security bridge.

[Ocho]

Nice little bridge to Mendoza.

[Tony]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Very nice.

[Tony]

Is he gonna start, though, or he.

[Uncle Joe]

No, no, no.

[Ocho]

I believe Cousins do start.

[Uncle Joe]

You think so?

[Ocho]

For the first probably five. Five to eight games. Think about it, Ocho. Guess who his coach was in Minnesota. Quarterback coach. Yeah. Kubiak.

[Uncle Joe]

Who?

[Ocho]

The head coach of Vegas. Ocho, remember when you and I first started? I said, that's why you don't burn no bridges. You see how that works? Because them guys go elsewhere.

[Tony]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Ocho]

Think about it. All them coaches that I had in Baltimore. Rex Ryan got a head job. Marvin Lewis got a head job. Just Jack Del Rio got a head job. All those guys. Mike Nolan, head job. Yeah. Mike Smith, job. So all you gotta do is play your cards right. Don't be no jerk. And guess what? They gonna get somewhere. You know what? Good veteran mentorship leadership in this locker room. Let's go get old. Ooh, yeah. Let's go get Joe. But guys don't think like that. They say all they think is in the present here, right now, where I am.

[Uncle Joe]

Right?

[Ocho]

Man, please.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, either he got good luck or he got favor, or he knows something about somebody, he got some information on somebody. And they just keep giving.

[Tony]

Hey, Kirk cousin in the league out here ain't a man.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, he, he hit them across the head.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm calling Mike. I was like, mike, look at man, I need a favor. I know you don't hired a lot of people. I need a job. 84. What you want to do, where you want to be. Sean McVeigh was on his staff. Kyle was on his staff. Kevin O', Connell, all the guys. LaFleur. I could do something. Let me be community relations. Had to do something. Yo, Joe, I want to do no coaching. I want to do no coaching.

[Uncle Joe]

Community relations.

[Tony]

Got no patience for no coaching.

[Ocho]

The hell no. Get your money. First Cousins, Kirk Cousins contract history, four years, $2.57 million. And then he played that contract out. Ocho. And then he had a one year basically $20 million deal. And then he had the next year fully guaranteed because the franchise tag. And then he had a one year basically 24 million dollar deal. And then he signed a three year, 84 million dollar deal fully guaranteed. Ocho. And then he signed a two year, 66 million dollar deal OJ fully guaranteed, that is. And then he signed a one year Minnesota 35 million fully guaranteed Ocho. And then he signed A four year 180 million with a hundred million dollars guaranteed. Ojo. And now five years 172 with 20 guarantee. And. And guess what? So 5, 6, 9, 11, 12, 13. So what is this? This is 15th year, 14, 15 year, 14 year. And grand total in 14 years. Guess how many playoff wins he got? On your drum roll, please. One

[Tony]

man. Get out of here.

[Uncle Joe]

One, one. My boy.

[Ocho]

Kirk Cousins had earned more money in football than Michael Jordan did playing basketball. More than Tiger woods earned in playing golf, more than Serena Williams playing tennis. His career earnings from NFL contracts and see the entire net worth of Meryl Streep, who's been a night. Who's won three Academy Awards and been a nominee. And been nominated 21 times to exceed the entire network net worth of Martin Scorsese. Also nearly identical to Tom Brady, who won seven Super Bowl. Cousins

[Uncle Joe]

one playoff win off win. Hey, he don't have no playoff win, Joe. But boy,

[Ocho]

he won the super bowl with that bank account. Yeah, he in the hall of fame. Won't you? With that bank account?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he's his agent. Absolutely.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's his. I don't know who his agent is, but they might need to look into him. Hey, you talking about cousins got favor. He got favor.

[Uncle Joe]

But Joe. Hey, cousin's numbers will put you in the blender during the regular.

[Tony]

He's spreading that thing around, ain't it?

[Ocho]

Give him time.

[Uncle Joe]

He. He's surgical with that ball.

[Tony]

Damn cursing at the house. He chilling feet kicked up and everything, huh?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he is very. He very religious too, is he? Oh, yeah, very Good God. That's why. That's why I say. That's why I say you got favor now,

[Ocho]

Derek, how you say it? Chisora. Derek. Chisora and Deontay Wilder had their pre fight press conference today. Let's take a listen to this. Joy. No, Joe. Wow.

[Tony]

Oh, oh.

[Ocho]

And I'm gonna tell Derek I hope he bring his heart because I'm gonna take that too. How does he do that? And how do you stop that happening?

[Tony]

Oh, you took my heart a long time ago when he said he busting that on his baby mama and busting on his stomach.

[Ocho]

When I came, I used to come on her stomach. I had a good nut and I nut her on her st. I was like, wow.

[Uncle Joe]

Jesus.

[Ocho]

That was from Deontay Wilder had an interview on Piers Morgan. He said what he said. He said his baby mama used a syringe, allegedly impregnated herself and that's how he had the child. That's what he alleges. I don't know if that to be true. I don't even know if that's the truth. But that's what he alleged on Piers Morgan's show. So he said that. And you know, anytime you do an oppressor ocho and you trying to hype a fight. Yeah, you say some outlandish stuff. Chisora yes, sir. Said, hey, I don't know. Hey, me boy, they couldn't sent me to Guantanamo Bay, waterboarded me with the CIA to get that up out of me.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, you know, that's natural. You know, it's natural, man.

[Tony]

It's natural.

[Uncle Joe]

And you got. You got to put it.

[Tony]

What's natural.

[Ocho]

Just cause you put it somewhere down. You got to tell somebody where you put it on your. That's the point.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, yeah, you're right. You're right. You know, but where else you gonna put.

[Ocho]

But considering what you are. What all you done? Old tongue. Fu Master. So we'll enjoy it. I don't put nothing past you.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen, I'm sure we've all conducted.

[Ocho]

Don't do that. Don't know. We, you, we all. Ain't no we all.

[Uncle Joe]

You speaking.

[Ocho]

You speak in singular terms. You. No, us. What the hell you mean, us?

[Tony]

Nah, you speak for y' all over Joe. Nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, y', all, y', all, y'.

[Tony]

All.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, I know y'.

[Tony]

All.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, your image is different. Mine. I'm a wild. I'm a wild person. I'm a wild boy. So this is expected of me. But y'.

[Tony]

All.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm make. I'm Let y' all stay clean. My bad.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no. Oh, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Hey, hey, Joe, what are you trying to do? Try to be guilt us in? Yeah, please. I already know. I know. Hey, it doesn't matter where the nose goes, when the doors close. I mean, it's all sex with it. When you close the door. Ocho, it's all sex. I get it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But they. Look at. They got. They got liberty. They got limits on speed. They got limits on how far a plane can fly. Unless you got a B52 or. Or one of those eight. One of those awaxes that. That can refuel Air Force One, that could just keep refueling. Yeah, we ain't got limits. Yeah, cars got limits, how fast they can go. Planes got limit on how far they can travel. You ain't got no limits in the bedroom. Damn.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. You shouldn't have no limits.

[Tony]

Come on, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Not. Not in the area.

[Tony]

Come on. You gotta slow down, Turbo.

[Uncle Joe]

I done slow down. I've been slow as possible. I'm 58 now. Shoot. I ain't.

[Ocho]

I ain't what I. Joe, can I throw a flag on the plate? I would. Hey. And. Well, I got another. I want to challenge. I want to challenge everything that he said,

[Uncle Joe]

you know? Listen, I'm just telling you about my experiences, man. I'm not the same. I might have slowed down a little bit, man. I really can't. I don't move like that no more, man.

[Ocho]

Man, I'm just saying, Ocho, man, come on, man. Dang.

[Uncle Joe]

Ain't nothing wrong with a little on the part.

[Tony]

All right,

[Uncle Joe]

that's neither here.

[Tony]

Hey, but I'm saying. What made him say that during a press conference, though?

[Ocho]

I. I guess. Look, allegedly. Supposedly we gotta use. Yo, we gotta use allegedly and supposedly.

[Tony]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Y' all like. Do y' all see that? Allegedly running on the street. So allegedly, supposedly when he started losing, I guess the lady that he was seeing with his fiance or wife or whatever the case may be. Yeah, she went a different direction now. That's what. That's the story that he's telling. I don't know. And I guess you started seeing some NFL player, but allegedly.

[Uncle Joe]

I would.

[Ocho]

I would. I want to be a hep. I want to be. I want a heavy emphasis on the allegedly.

[Tony]

Right? Right. Damn.

[Ocho]

So something you just keep to yourself, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. When is that fight? Huh? Yeah, this weekend or alone.

[Ocho]

We're gonna be live after the fight, so make sure you make sure you okay. Hold on.

[Tony]

Who he fighting?

[Ocho]

Chisora. Derek Chisora.

[Tony]

Man, it ain't been. Ain't been looking that good for a while. His past few fights have it.

[Uncle Joe]

Man. I hope we get. I hope we get this one off, man. I hope you win this one. I hope you win this one.

[Ocho]

I hope so too. But I mean,

[Uncle Joe]

I know one thing. But while to catch him with. If he catch him with that guy, man.

[Tony]

Okay, we gotta stop that talking about kid. Everybody stayed holler catching with the right. Hell, why they got the box.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. What happened when dude catch him with the right?

[Tony]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every fight I didn't see in the past few fights, it ain't been good.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah,

[Ocho]

I mean, I've seen bigger legs on the piano. I mean, he ain't got no foundation, man.

[Tony]

Hey, they said that, man.

[Ocho]

6, 7, 2, 15. He is. He's basketball. He's a basketball player. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey. Hey, Joe. But he can crack. The problem is, hey, if he. He got to catch you, though. Yeah, you can block all you want. Sometimes that don't even help. But hey, uncle, he went on a run.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

He.

[Ocho]

Everybody was like 30 straight, wasn't it?

[Uncle Joe]

Over every.

[Tony]

Until he.

[Ocho]

Everybody going in the big boy fury. Yeah, yeah. I mean, first of all, like you said, Ojo, he can crack. So he hit fu with everything he had with the right. And then when he set up in the room, like under. When he set up the room like taker, like under. I mean, he was flat. That Joke.

[Uncle Joe]

I ain't never. I ain't never seen him. I never, never seen nothing like Jason.

[Ocho]

You know Jason boy. Hey, Jason boy, he sit up and look around.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Then what you do?

[Uncle Joe]

Never seen nothing like.

[Ocho]

I mean, you, you hit somebody with everything God would allow. Everything you got and that man sit up.

[Uncle Joe]

They got to be demoralizing, man.

[Ocho]

What the hell? It's kind of like what Big George said. Big George said when he's doing the rubble in the jungle. He said he was hitting, he was hitting Ali. Womb. Womb. He said Ali leaned in closer. That's all you got, Big George. Yeah, that's about it. Yeah. I'm on fuse right now.

[Tony]

Hey, that rumble in the jungle was different, boy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Ali boombay, man.

[Tony]

What? Hey, hey, our coach, Larry Drew, he played that right before a playoff series one day. As a matter of fact, it was the playoff series when, when I was playing here for the Hawks and we played against the Celtics, who was a one seed and we was an ac. We, we, we watched that whole thing, bro.

[Ocho]

Oh, y' all watch the Rumble in the Jungle?

[Tony]

Yeah, we watch the Rumble in the Jungle, boy. I leave something else.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Nice.

[Ocho]

Boy, they nothing like getting your fight. Hey, watching, watching a fight or watching a movie scene. A, a, a, a war scene.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

When the jokers storm in the beach and they spray. They got street sweeper, they got flamethrowers. They got grenade launch. They got everything out there.

[Tony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Bad.

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[Ocho]

think get your hype Betty A source within the Eagles organization believes Jalen Hurts is not the most coachable player per Jeremy Fowler. Yeah, for the body language not always bought in. Not the most coachable. And the players notice key notes from the filer report. Hurts was the person who called four verticals on the Eagles last play of 2026 NFL playoffs. Not Petula. Wanted to avoid playing under center. Reluctant to let it rip at times, particularly against zone coverage. Pushback on changes that would diversify the scheme. Poor body language not always bought in diverse from the game plan and changes play calls to the excessive degree not the most coachable teammates notice. According to Fowler, Hurt stands at a crossroad despite his admit success. Sources says he had a hand in the Eagles offense becoming calcified and frustrations have grown. Now I know Eagle fans gonna be Ocho and I love about this he make this up. I don't know if y' all know who Jeremy Fowler is.

[Uncle Joe]

They better know.

[Ocho]

But if you don't know, it came from that building.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, it always come from the building. And another thing, I mean I don't like the nitpicking about, you know, mannerisms and body language because his body language has always been like that. He's one that doesn't show much, much passion, doesn't show much excitement. He doesn't smart, he doesn't smile much. You see how he does his interviews. Everything is really, really, really serious. That's just who he is.

[Ocho]

Ocho, hold on before you go any further. Ocho. Okay, we take the stoicism. What about the most coachable? What about that?

[Uncle Joe]

That's a good one. And especially being a quarterback, being a quarterback that's had success, being a quarterback that's already won a Super Bowl. I mean, in a way, in order to win and have that kind of consistency that they did have, don't you have to be coachable in a sense? Maybe last year that might have been okay, you know what? I don't like Petula's system. I don't like what's going on. I want to simplify things to my liking. When I get plays that come in and it's something that I don't like, I'm going to change it. So I could probably see maybe this season not being Coachable because he's wanting to do things his way.

[Ocho]

All I'm gonna say is this here, you didn't know this. Nobody know this. Jeremy Fowler is reporting it was Hertz who called the four verticals on the Eagles last play of 20, 26 in the NFL playoffs, not Petula. Who knew that, other than the damn coaches?

[Tony]

That's it.

[Ocho]

That all the players. So for Jeremy Fowler to get that. Cause y' all go. They gonna beat us up, Joe.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You ain't gonna get too much. You ain't gonna get too much pushback, but Ocho and I gonna get pushback. How would this man know that?

[Uncle Joe]

Everything always come from in the building, huh?

[Tony]

Always inside, always.

[Uncle Joe]

No matter who you are. It's gonna. It's gonna get out.

[Tony]

But ain't nobody gonna take the blame, though. Y' all know how I go. It's somebody talking to them reporters.

[Ocho]

All I know is this men. Ocho best friend. You the God. It's been reported. I think that he's one of the godsons.

[Uncle Joe]

A.J.

[Ocho]

brown. How you fall out with that? You one of the reasons that I came. I came to Cincinnati to play with Ocho, and now all of a sudden, I want to leave Ocho even after I won a Super Bowl. Yeah, bend the two, one, one. Nah, I'm good, cuz. Let me go.

[Uncle Joe]

Something going on over there, A.J.

[Tony]

see, that system ain't. It ain't. It ain't working out for him, man. He's. Hey, A.J. like, man, I can't get my numbers. I. I can't catch no balls.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, and you know how. You know how A.J. thinking. Okay, I got my ring, so shoot, from this point on, I'm trying. I'm trying to get them numbers right.

[Tony]

Hello.

[Ocho]

AJ Say y' all got people thinking I'm some sauce out here. Now, that's what y' all thinking. I see what JSN Doing. I see what Puka doing. I see what all these other receivers doing. Y' all got people thinking, I can't play no more. AJ Washed. AJ can't run nothing but this. I'm telling you how AJ Thinking.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, same thing. Slant curl, deep ball, left side of the field, sluggo. That's it. Joey, they got. They got him running three, three, maybe three, maybe four routes.

[Ocho]

Running the rail. You. Hey, he going deep. He run nine right. He on left hand side, two yards outside. Every time he run the go ball right side, you gonna run the dig or you gonna run shallow?

[Uncle Joe]

Order. Oh, yeah. Order. Slant and third and third and short. He Running slant.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And if they put him in a two by two. What's it called? Hey, somebody go run the vert clear angle back up underneath the under route.

[Tony]

Hey. Cause when you think about it though, is it. Y' all think it's because Saquon didn't have as great of a year as he had the year before? Which hurts aj. Does it hurt AJ because of that?

[Ocho]

Well, if. But here's the thing. If Saquon's not running, if they got an extra guy down to stop Saquon, come see your boy.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, a pass game should be wide open, Joe.

[Ocho]

The offensive line is a little. Was a little beat up the big lane. Johnson dealt with injuries all year. Dickerson.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Dealt with injuries all year. The center, Jurgens dealt with injuries all year. The right guard wasn't as good as Maai Beckton. So, yeah, it goes hand in hand. But they say, hold on. Damn, we got a quarterback. We paid him top dollar. So even to say, quan not running, what they got to do with anything? You make it, you making $50 million a year. I don't want to hear nobody say, quan, you gotta get it done about no Charles Barkley, no Saquon Barkley, no Iran Barkley. I don't hear none of that. You know how these organizations.

[Tony]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Ocho]

They don't care about that. What's not working? Yeah, we paying you for to work, do your job. And when something's not working, that means you lift your level of play and bring us home.

[Uncle Joe]

Especially when you're making that kind of money. They don't want no excuses.

[Tony]

Well, what they ain't trying nothing.

[Ocho]

Nothing gonna be very, very interesting to see. The Rams have been urging Puka Nakua to grow as a person after a series of controversies off the field of the past year. And now he's taking steps to do that. Puka has checked himself into a private facility his attorney had confirmed today to focus on his health, personal growth and overall development. Nakua checked himself into the facility on his own and will remain there until he completes the program of head of the Rams. OTAs that start in a few weeks.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

If you could offer him some vice, Joe, then you can take it. What would. What would you say to Pooh?

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, understand the opportunity you have that's in front of you. Understand how valuable you are to the Los Angeles Rams. Understand how hard you work to get to where you at. Understand all the adversity, all the obstacles you had to overcome to get where you are. And remember that. And don't forget it. Now, I think maybe. Maybe Puka might be a little comfortable because of the success that he's having. Enjoying himself a little too much. It's okay to enjoy yourself, Joe. Uncle Joe. Enjoy yourself. Hell, I enjoyed myself, But I also knew what line not to cross off the field.

[Ocho]

What do you do?

[Tony]

What'd he do off the field?

[Uncle Joe]

You got it.

[Tony]

He checked himself in. But I'm saying what happened?

[Ocho]

Tj. Tj. Hus. Mazada.

[Tony]

Now,

[Ocho]

allegedly, he likes to party.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And you know the recent event that came out about the young lady, he didn't look in. In the greatest control of his.

[Uncle Joe]

He bit. He bit on the buttocks,

[Tony]

man. This why. This is why I told the Washington kid who was just on from Arkansas, like, man, don't. Don't ever forget how you got to where you trying to get to. You feel me? Whether it's NFL, NBA, I don't care what it is, man. Have tunnel vision. Focus on yourself and your craft and leave all them distractions alone. I promise you, boy. Hey. Cause the devil gonna be working. He gonna be working. I'm talking about. He gonna be working overtime. You hear me? That's why you gotta stay locked in, bro. Like, I. I try to, you know, especially young cats who. Coming into being a professional, you have to understand. Yep. It's a lot that comes with that. It's a lot that you're gonna enjoy, but it's some stuff that's gonna come with it, man, that it ain't gonna be too tasty.

[Ocho]

And so I think that's the biggest thing he put himself in, you know, and the thing that I. That I've learned is that it's okay to not have an opinion about everything publicly.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, he's. He's young and, you know, he got caught in, you know, being on someone's stream and, you know, they said some things that, you know, that kind of got him in trouble. I don't really fault him for that. He didn't. He didn't really know what that meant, but you gotta be careful. Yeah, you really. You really. You really. You really have to be careful in situations like this.

[Tony]

And

[Ocho]

it's just. It's tough, man. It's tough.

[Tony]

I think it's harder. It's harder nowadays, too, fellas, than it was back.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you got more distractions. You got way more distractions.

[Tony]

And it's just. It seems like everything gets seen.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, there's cameras everywhere, Joe.

[Ocho]

Everybody got a camera.

[Tony]

There you go.

[Ocho]

You think you.

[Tony]

You think you talking on the low you think? Man, please. Yeah,

[Ocho]

it's, I, I, I just hate, I just, I, you know, I just hope because like I said, I've only been around, I've only been around him once. But he, he was, he was fun. Like I said, I haven't been around him in a football setting. It was, it was a very laidback, the All Star game, celebrity All Star game in Indy. He's a phenomenal talent. He's one of the two or three best receivers in all of football. He shows up, he's put the work in and he's in line. I, I believe, you know, he'll go, he's going to reset the market.

[Uncle Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

JSA ain't got what he got. I believe he's going to come and get, you know, a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand dollars more than jsc. He's that good. He's, he's as good as advertised.

[Uncle Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

But I think a person that could give him some great advice. Go talk to playmaker.

[Tony]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Go talk to the playmaker. Don't lose sight. The main thing is the main thing football, Football is, is the main thing. And you got a great opportunity. You got an opportunity set about two or about three generations up for the rest of their lives.

[Uncle Joe]

Man,

[Ocho]

I'm glad, I'm glad he's getting the help. Hopefully it works. And I know everybody. There's pr. I don't, I don't care he go in there, hey, I don't care if they don't have him reading books. Right. Let him go in there, get an opportunity to think about what's been done, some of the things that he's done, some of the behavior that he displayed, get that rectified and know, you know,

[Tony]

hey,

[Ocho]

without consequences, there can be no lessons learned,

[Uncle Joe]

man.

[Ocho]

It's really simple.

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[Uncle Joe]

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[Ocho]

This is gonna be right up your alley. John Lynn said the 49ers dug deeper into the NFLPA report card in which team training staff grades were relatively poor. The 49ers found that players wanted more one on one attention. So guess what they're doing Ocho hiring three more pts, investing $9 million in hydro areas, clove plunge and pools at which had graded low at the team facility. Okay, this is why, that's why I don't want them out. Because they don't want that report out there. Yeah, instead of, instead of like, oh man, I can't believe they did this. They did something about it. What the NFL do. See, NFL don't want no negative grade, so they suppress that. Whoa, whoa. So we'll get real pro football focus grades. That's an independent party. I want to get. I want us to get back in good graces with the NFL. Right. I'm gonna shut up.

[Uncle Joe]

Right. Listen, I'm picking up what you put down, but obviously this is, this is a good thing. This is a good thing for the players. Obviously, you know, when it comes to the 49ers, they already have a bad rep, you know, when it comes to injuries. They've had a bad injury history, you know, over the years, obviously. I like what Fred Warner said when he came on the show when we were down there in San Francisco and debunking the fact that it had anything to do with the, the power plant, the fire plant that is sitting adjacent. He just said, obviously his football is a It's a, it's a barbaric sport. Injuries do happen, but with the 49ers are choosing to do and, and adding, you know, 3pts and, and, and cold

[Ocho]

plunge and things like that.

[Tony]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

Improving some of those things to see if they can, they can help reduce some of these injuries that they're, they are having, you know, in season is, is a great thing. It's a good thing.

[Tony]

My bad. They don't already have all this, Uncle Ocho.

[Ocho]

I, I have it, but they're adding more.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I, I would have thought they did. Hey, that goddamn Bengals facility, you hear me? I don't know how much money they pumped into that. Hey, hey, Joe. The locker rooms.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I ain't never seen nothing like that, Joe, man. I ain't never seen nothing like that, boy. It looked like you. It looked like. I, I don't even know how to explain it. I don't even know how to explain it. I just, I've never. Because what I'm used to when I walked in the locker room, Joe.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You know, and when I, when I went in the Bengals locker room now, like today, I, like, man, it's, it's almost unfair.

[Tony]

Oh, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

It's almost unfair.

[Tony]

Hey, Unc, you ever been to the Hawks practice facility? The one they got next to Emory?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I've never been to it, but I saw it. I went, I went and looked at it. Looked. I'm like, okay, y', all, y', all, Y' all did it now.

[Uncle Joe]

It's nice, Joe.

[Tony]

Oh, man, Ocho. Every time I go in there, because I do a lot of work with the house.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Tony]

I get, I get pissed off every time I walk in there.

[Ocho]

Why? Y' all had it when I was,

[Tony]

man, when I was playing here. We got one. Listen, at the arena, at State Farm arena, it was called Phillips arena back in the day.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Tony]

It's one small practice court inside the arena. That's what we practice at every day, bro.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Like when I walk into their practice facility now, Ocho, I'm talking about. State of the art, partner. You hear me? I'm talking about everything. The bells and whistles, they got it. I'm talking about, man, listen, I'm thinking about getting me an intern with the strength and conditioning coach, man, just so I can go in there and work out. Yeah. I mean, and keep the guys, right?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. I, I, I, I want to be nosy. I should have asked somebody how much, you know, Mr. Brown and the Brown family poured into the training room. The Locker room, the weight room, the nutrition, the cafeteria. Hey, Joe, it's like walking in some five star hotel when you talk, when you talk about the bells and whistles with all the lightning, all the charging

[Ocho]

stations,

[Uncle Joe]

the players lockers.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Every, every, everything all lit up with the name.

[Ocho]

And I'm like, big old comfy chairs.

[Tony]

Oh, man, they got it.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe. Unbelievable. Like that, the training room with the, with the pools and the. I mean, listen, I didn't spend no time in the training room. The only time I went out, it went in there was it, you know, at halftime they get an iv, you know, when it was hot, because I would always Cramp on my calf muscles. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I was jealous. I was jealous.

[Ocho]

And I am, too. I am, too. Yeah, it's, it's a. Man, look here. They got all these dip tanks and infrared and. Yeah, yeah, they got cryo. Yeah, they got all that. They got. The Broncos got like two or three cryo tanks and they got all these infrared saunas and infrared beds, and I

[Uncle Joe]

still don't understand that.

[Ocho]

Those cold plunges, they got like three, four cold plunges. They got sauna, steam room.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you understand that what they, they got three of those infrared, what you call it?

[Tony]

Infrared beds.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. What the hell? What is that for?

[Tony]

It's to help to, it's to help your, like, red blood cells for recovery. So it's like giving your red blood cells a shot of espresso, you know what I mean? To, to kind of wake them up.

[Ocho]

Speeds up healing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony]

Hey, hey, my favorite one is that that hydro tub when they got the treadmill inside that. You getting that water. You can get on that treadmill, man,

[Ocho]

it takes all the, in all buoyancy. So ain't no, ain't no pressure, ain't nothing on the knees, the ankles.

[Tony]

Hey, I can run on that thing all day. You hear me?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, that's for when you hurt, right? When you, when you, when you hurt and you coming back from injuries.

[Tony]

Well, it ain't necessarily when you hurt. You could do it for recovery because, you know, just being in the water, like, it's recovery. So they used to make us get in the pool like we on the road. They'll wake you up early in the morning, make you go to the pool and just walk around in like 5ft of water for like 20 minutes. That's, that's an active recovery.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay?

[Tony]

So to have a treadmill under the water, like, man, that was everything, bro. I, hey, look, I was always fascinated

[Ocho]

that thing, did you. Cause you know that the way. That the way it was set up because you had a current, so. Yeah. Going against you.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So you.

[Tony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Man, look at. Turn that thing down. Let me. Hey,

[Uncle Joe]

hey, Joe. Did you like the cold tub, Joe?

[Tony]

I ain't like it, but I used to do. I used to do the hot and cold contrast, Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. I love that cold tub. Why? You know, my. My crazy ass. I would wait till people be in the cold tub and I wait till they all in there and I go jump in. I cannonball in there. Hey, they used to hate that, Joe.

[Tony]

Hey, hey, we be fighting in the cold tub. That's the first thing we tell you. Hey, man, don't get in here splashing all that water, man. You need to sit down.

[Ocho]

Be still, cuz. When we first started, you know, the cold, our cold tub was a. A trash cans.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They had no. Damn, no, no, no cold plunge, no taste like that. Sit your ass in a big ass. One of rubber made trash cans.

[Uncle Joe]

You serious?

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Tony]

yeah, I remember that.

[Ocho]

I mean, at home, that's what I did. I went to a farm. I went to a. A farm store, a feeder store, and got me a cow trough. Yeah, that's what I. At home, that's what I had. Yeah, I would go to, go to a convenience store, get me 10 bags of ice.

[Uncle Joe]

Ice. Okay, okay.

[Ocho]

And then I was like, you know what? Then I bought me an ice maker that made 200 pounds of ice.

[Tony]

There you go.

[Ocho]

That in there?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Now you cooking with grease, boy.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, I had everything. I got the normal tech boots and I got a. A game ready. Yeah, and all that stuff. Yeah, I had a laser I let somebody borrow and it never gave it back to me.

[Tony]

Tony Banks, man, I got the. Hey, I got that. I got that infrared sauna in my yoga studio.

[Uncle Joe]

God damn. You got one in the studio?

[Tony]

Yeah, I got cryotherapy in the studio, Ocho. We ain't playing, man. You gonna come out of there glowing baby eyes, gonna be like this here. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And you got. Hey, Joe, you got money, boy?

[Tony]

Here we go.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm just saying, I. I only seen stuff like that, you know, in. On. In the movie.

[Tony]

It ain't about having no money, Ocho. You know, it's just being. It's about being intentional and proactive.

[Ocho]

There you go.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you know how. You know how you be intentional and proactive, Joe? Yeah, by having money. The hell you talking about?

[Tony]

Where you get the dude from, man? Who raised this dude?

[Ocho]

Hey, oh, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, John. Hey, hey, check this out real quick, right?

[Tony]

What's up?

[Uncle Joe]

What do you. What do you call friends that eat together? Like you know, Friends. Like, you know, what do you call friends? They eat together.

[Tony]

Friends that eat together.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah,

[Ocho]

Friends. Friends that eat together. Friends.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Eat together. Damn. What you got, Joe?

[Tony]

Associates.

[Uncle Joe]

No taste buds.

[Tony]

Hey, listen, I be sitting here trying to think of the most off the wall stuff. I'm like, man, I know this dude. Hey, Ojo. Ojo. They say you laugh like Kermit the Fr.

[Ocho]

Oh, that was a good one.

[Tony]

That was a good one.

[Ocho]

You wait till you find out what the the NFL trying to do about these players contract. Ocho, you ain't gonna be laughing. Well, we'll talk about that tomorrow. The Browns and Miles Garrett agreed to a modified language in his contract this offseason that makes it easier for to trade Garrett. So what they did that. He's supposed to get 29 million in roster bonus on March 15. They pushed it to seven days before the regular season start, but Andrew Barry says the team will not trade Miles. Miles is a career Brown. He's one of the faces of our organization. And I think we've been very clear past and present in terms of our feelings. I understand all the questions, but I'll be honest. I don't really want to waste a ton of time. More breath on that topic. Yeah, Ocho, what does the modification to his contract, where you kick it? I mean, Miles, like, hold on, y'.

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[Ocho]

Y' all be to tell me y' all kick 29 million, I'll let y' all kick 29 million down the road. I could have got that March 15, but now it's seven days before the regular season, so that's seven. So April, May, June, July, August. So about six months, I'll let y' all kick.

[Uncle Joe]

One thing they gonna do. But they gonna lie to. They gonna lie to you every time when they get in front of that camera. Huh? They gonna lie to you every time they get in front of that camera. You know exactly why you kicked that money on down the road. To allow yourself room to be able to trade Garrett to a team that gives them opportunity and a chance to win for a change, where he's the face of your franchise or not. Whether you want him to be a 1 jersey team player, which he should be, but also based on what he's done, you should reward him with an opportunity to go somewhere where he can have a chance to win for a change. I mean, come on now. And we, we know why you did it. I hate. Listen one thing about them coaches and them owners and them GMs. When they get in front of that camera, they gonna act like a politician. They gonna tell you everything you want to hear knowing that they not gonna deliver. And it's not the truth.

[Ocho]

They hit that lie.

[Uncle Joe]

But huh.

[Ocho]

Everything about their lie all the time.

[Uncle Joe]

So, so why there's no reason to do it.

[Ocho]

Just, just leave it alone. It don't change anything. It doesn't make the 29 million goals away. The only thing is is that that dead cap is not on your space. Because if you paid that money, you got to absorb him. Even though he's somewhere else.

[Uncle Joe]

Bingo. I mean hell.

[Ocho]

So now he's somebody, somebody else will have to pay back. Look, obviously he's the best player. And you know what? Now that I think about it, Miles Garrett might win. He might do something. Only a handful of defensive players, the top 100. He might be number one.

[Uncle Joe]

He should be. He should be.

[Ocho]

I think, I think has any defensive player, maybe J.J. watt, has D.J. watt been number one. Aaron Donald been number one. Because normally it's reserved quarterback. I think, I think Adrian Peterson won it one year. I think the year that he came back, I think Adrian Peterson might have won it. Tyreek hill won it one year.

[Uncle Joe]

That's, that's 1700 yard season.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Lamar wanted a couple of times if I'm not mistaken. I think my homeboy Brady's one of the most have the defensive player ever won the award. What did JJ finish? Okay.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay, so they got two JJ in 2015, Aaron Dahl in 2019. So

[Uncle Joe]

hey, I'm, I'm. Listen. Miles Garrett either to Philly. Miles Garrett.

[Ocho]

Maybe that might be why they hold it. That's why Philly's holding on to A.J. brown. They might know something we don't know.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, A.J. brown over to hey. And I just said it. You get you one dog. Get you one dog. Deshaun Watson. A.J. brown.

[Ocho]

Yeah, because I, I for me, two for Cuz. Look, as much as I, I would love to see Miles finish his career, I think he, I, I want to see him on the biggest stages. I want to see him a chance, I want to see those sacks something to someone other than himself. Because when you playing behind and you get 23 sacks and you still win five games, you shouldn't win five games with 23 sacks. Y' all should be in the playoffs. And just imagine what he could potentially do if his team ever had a leaf.

[Uncle Joe]

Another team has to throw.

[Ocho]

I mean, the man had five sacks against the Patriots and they got beat by 14. That doesn't normally happen. Oh, yeah, you're right. Because before you know it, the game's out of hand. Now you got to throw the ball. I know you got to throw it. You know you got to throw it. But I just don't know him being there if they're ever going to win because there's so many holes they need to plug.

[Tony]

Well.

[Uncle Joe]

And honestly, the holes they need to plug on the offensive side. All the holes they need to plug. And listen, you won't be able to place Miles Garrett, but you can get someone that's competent, someone that's not going to get to hell. He's not going to get your 23 goddamn sacks. But you have so many other pieces around you defensively that are just that good. Were missing Miles Garrett, it'll be somewhat of a step back, but you still will be good. You won't be great.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Uncle Joe]

You'll still be good. But you need so much offensively. I think letting him go and being able to build that offense and help your quarterback situation out is much more important than keeping Myles Garrett and winning another four or five games.

[Ocho]

It's a situation, Ocho. The roof is leaking, the sink is clogged, the toilet's overflowing, and the shower doesn't work. I gotta fix the problem. The problem I'm gonna fix first the toilet overflowing. I gotta get that out there. I gotta get that fixed. And then I work a. I don't want to get rained on. Shower a. I go take a shower in the rain, so. But they got so many things going on, Ocho, that Miles can't solve it. They've done a great. They've done a horrible job of putting people on the ball. You get. You got Denzel, you got Grant Delpit, you got Miles. You done a great job on the defensive side. To hell. The linebacker was working of the year. Defensive rookie of the year. So you've done a great job with that. How the hell have you missed so bad? You now I like Harold.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, be nice.

[Ocho]

You got something. I like the running back.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah, bro. You got to get some wide outs. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

One, one, one. You need one. And if. When it happens, I said it first. So when Miles Garrett end up over there in. In Philly, huh? Make sure y' all come back and just replay this. He might end up in Dallas.

[Ocho]

You know they gonna want pickings.

[Uncle Joe]

You got to tell me twice. I just said they need a Receiver. I just didn't want to say no name because everybody get mad at me.

[Ocho]

They can get mad all they want to. I don't see them trading them to Dallas without pickings coming. You see that?

[Uncle Joe]

It's a possibility.

[Ocho]

No, I'm saying, do you see Dallas getting Miles Garrett without giving up?

[Uncle Joe]

That's not gonna happen. Even swap. Even swap, baby.

[Ocho]

Do.

[Uncle Joe]

Do me right.

[Ocho]

Even swap. Ain't no swindle.

[Uncle Joe]

Who you telling,

[Tony]

Man?

[Ocho]

I just want Miles the one time to play me, to play meaningful.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Meaningful football. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean, all. I mean, for the most part, most greats, you know, whether they won or not, they played in them. Bruce and Reggie Time, LT Ray Keakley, Patrick Willis, Aaron Donald, jj. Unfortunately, he did not get an opportunity to play in the Super Bowl. But a lot of the great. And that's what you want to see. Now, it doesn't guarantee. It doesn't guarantee you're gonna win. But. But, but play on that big stage, play in a championship game where rushes matter. Get three sacks in the afc, in the NFC or NFC Championship game, be the difference in that game. Aaron Donald, those defensive player of the year. But go back and cut the tape on in that super bowl against Cincinnati and watch how he got down and watch how he took the game over.

[Uncle Joe]

Especially that goddamn. Especially that goddamn fourth down. All we had to do is just block him on that fourth down. He messed up the goddamn throw.

[Ocho]

But, Ocho, you gotta remember, on that third down and one, he. The guy blocking him, and he grabbed the guy with one hand and stopped it from getting the first down.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn, man.

[Ocho]

And right before the half, remember, they got. They got that turtle right before the half and he got that sack.

[Uncle Joe]

I think he might come back this year. What you think?

[Ocho]

Hell, no. He.

[Uncle Joe]

Have you seen the clips of him working out?

[Ocho]

Yeah, he's working out.

[Uncle Joe]

Like he might. Might just come back.

[Ocho]

Nah, he don't. He don't got the passion. He said it. He's like, I don't have a passion. He exhausted everything that he had. I mean, you. You know, you. You watch him. He say, hey, my dad had me getting up early, early in the morning. He said, man, I did. I said, y' all saw Pitt and y' all saw the Rams, but y' all don't realize I was doing this high school.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't blame him.

[Ocho]

At some point in time, I mean, he still loved the game, but the passion to train at the level that he need to, to still be Aaron Donald, he can't go out there and be Anything else, other than 99, anything else will be uncivilized. So that's the thing. I think the thing is, O Joe, that's the biggest thing from the greats, is that they. It's not like they don't love the game, but I can't give that same level of intensity and consistency to the game.

[Uncle Joe]

I could imagine. Because I could imagine.

[Ocho]

All I know is 99 with the horns on, his helmet whipping ass, going up and down the line, turning. Damn, it's locked. They got. Hey, they got this. The deadbolt on there and everything.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I. I couldn't imagine playing D tackle too, you know, always having to deal with that goddamn, that double team, that double team. Oh, my goodness,

[Ocho]

especially him. Hey, you already know. You go into the game and we played guys like that. Hell, I played against Reggie, played against Bruce, played against dt. He not. You better find out where he is.

[Uncle Joe]

And wherever he. Wherever he's at, that's where the double go. And the funny thing about it is Aaron Donald was able to dominate for such a long time, and he had the highest percentage when it came to being double team.

[Ocho]

That joke was so quick out the ball, man. I told yo the first time I saw him, said, man, that's Aaron Donald. I said from Pitt. I mean, he was. He was stocky. Oh, but I'm talking about, you know, I thought he go. I thought I gonna see 275 looking like Miles. Looking like Miles. Now he. He put.

[Uncle Joe]

He solid now.

[Ocho]

But I like. Well, damn.

[Uncle Joe]

When you see him, he doesn't look.

[Ocho]

You watch him get off the ball.

[Uncle Joe]

He quick, quick, you know, and you think about, you think about all the, all the things that make a defensive tackle good. You know, all the different attributes. He was great at every last one of them. Every last. Every last box, he checked whether it was stopping the run, taking on the double team, being able to swim, pushing the pull up. I mean, whatever the. The verbiage is that you use that. You know, the. Oh, man, yeah, he was good at all of it.

[Ocho]

He rip. He could rip. He could bull you. He could wax on, wax off.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, man. And his footwork. You ever seen his footwork drills? His footwork looks like a goddamn receiver running back.

[Ocho]

But as I told you listen to them talk. When he was talking to defensive lineman, he said, you play on edges. He said, don't let that man square you up. You get on an edge.

[Uncle Joe]

Half a man.

[Ocho]

That's it. That's what we talk about on show. I. I've never. You never gonna put Both of your hands in my damn chest. I'm going, I'm going. I'm going. Inside or outside, I'm getting on it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I promise you that. I'm gonna get on an edge. But he was, he was, he was special. And I don't, you know, obviously just watching it from a distance, but, you know, he kind of reminds you of a. A Johnny Randall.

[Uncle Joe]

Ah, that's a good. That's a good comparison. Good comparison.

[Ocho]

Johnny was undersized. You know, Johnny came in as 235 pounds, defensive tackle.

[Uncle Joe]

That's lit. You know how. You know how small. You know how small that is? Especially back then when all the detectives, all the tackles are big. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean, to play that under tackle he got. I mean, he caught. His hands are kind of like SAP. Because if you look at SAP. SAP didn't play with gloves. SAP just tape his fingers. Yeah. Tape off. Yeah. And so he did a great job of grabbing. SAP like to feel thread. He like to feel cloth. So he liked to pull what you call was great at pulling ad. But it was. It was definitely a pleasure to watch him play. Hi. Roseman had a stock answer for every question about A.J. brown that he fielded from the local media. I understand there's an interest in A.J. brown's story. I unfortunately have a home under a rock. But my answer to any question on AJ Is AJ Brown is a member of the Eagles. From my perspective, anything you ask me about A.J. i'm going to write back to that answer. But I understand the interest. I put it on TV and I see there's interest. But my answer is A.J. brown is a member of the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Uncle Joe]

You gonna keep. Listen, he gonna keep it politically correct. You expect him to say that? You know, he's not gonna. He's not gonna pour gasoline on the fire, you know, but we, we, we, we, we know. I think, I think A.J. brown, time is up. You know, in Philly, he did his due diligence while he was there. He's frustrated with the offense. He's frustrated with his usage. I think, I think he will be somewhere now. Where he will be, I don't know. I don't know. But I, I can see the scenario. And I'm telling you right now, Chat, when it comes to me guessing and, and, and foreseeing the future on where players are going, I'm like 10 for 10. I'm like 10 for 10, Chad. Now you know that I really think A.J. brown will probably end up in Cleveland. And I can see Myles Garrett going to play Meaningful, meaningful football and being being in the playoffs this year with the Eagles. I'm telling you now, now, if I'm lying, I'm flying and I'm sitting right here in my chair.

[Ocho]

It's just hard for me to see a scenario where he is with the Eagles. I think there's a greater percent, a greater chance that he's not on the Eagles, that he is with the Eagles. I think what Dallas did last year was pick up Pickens after the draft. I think, you know, I think Dallas, I think the Eagles really want to hold on to that. Want to hold on and see Cleveland. What y' all really trying to do now? Because, you know, we can make it worth your while.

[Uncle Joe]

Are you.

[Ocho]

We can give you AJ and two player two first, or we can give you Jalen Carter in two first. We can make it worth your while because we just signed George Davis. You got Hunt. I think that's where the guy. Last year. I think Jordan Davis outperformed Jalen Carter. So miles garrett. Jordan davis got on the other side with braun, cooper, dijon. They got wolf. They got mitchell. That's pretty.

[Uncle Joe]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wallen.

[Ocho]

That's where he left Seattle.

[Uncle Joe]

That's where he went. Ooh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Ooh,

[Uncle Joe]

I like that. Yeah, I like that. I think it's gonna happen. Miles Garrett to the Eagles. Ocho said it first. I just beat. I beat Adam Schefter.

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