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Hey guys, it's your favorite UNC here. Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of Nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports. Stay for the stories. While the NFL won the grievance against the NFL PA to prevent annual release of teams report card it wasn't enough to stop the league. The Dolphins ranked number one in the report cards for the third consecutive year according to the report. The Vikings ranked second. The Commanders rounded out the top three after Commanders at one point in time was rated dead last. But The Steelers checked in 32 for the first time on the report Cars for your history. Steelers received low marks, especially facilities Arnold owner Art Rooney III I think or the second. Okay second ranked the last for willingness to invest in facilities. No surprise dealers are cheap Steelers locker room, which also had a failing grade this t is the Steelers rank last by a wide margin on the field, highlighted by the need for more investment to increase the standard Acrisure Stadium grass turf was subject of a discussion and after it was particularly torn up during week six between the Steelers and Browns Ocho yes sir. NFL won the grievance. They're like you can't release this because you're releasing this in bad faith and you're bad faith and you're trying to make our teams look bad. Right. But why can't But I'm just saying but what what's you don't want the player's opinion. You got all these sites they have an opinion they grade the players which is third party.
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Yep.
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That's and a lot of people base that their grades and how they play players on those grades. So a player that actually plays there to see it day to day say you know what the training facility is not up to start the par the craft services which is the food is not up to par.
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Right.
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The lip the family where the family reside is not up to par right I mean, I'm. I'm confused. Why?
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O. Yeah, listen, that, that's a, That's a good thing. And obviously you think about it too, right? You think about the owners and, and what they choose to invest in. I mean, what, what. What's most important to them? Obviously, everything starts with the product. The product are you putting on the field. Obviously, along with the product, you want to have the best services for said players to keep everyone healthy. Strength and conditioning, nutrition, some of the things that, that, that come come to hand right away, obviously, outside. Outside of that, all the other amenities. I think most owners don't see it as, as important as. As said players, which is why those that have bad grades, they have them for a reason.
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Oh, yes, sir. The objective is, is to make as much money as I possibly can. Talk to spending. I look at roi, which is return on investment.
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Investment, Yes.
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I invest a little. I get maximum in return. Hey, upgrade my facilities. If I give you the. If I get a new weight room, if I give the facilities where families can come and the kids can come.
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Right.
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That's money. I gotta pay for that.
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Talk to me now.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want y' all to. In the same dilapidated facilities.
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Yes.
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I expect you to win.
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Yeah.
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While we get 400 million from TV revenue. Remember the caps only 305 million, so that's 95. You're 95.
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Mm.
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Already united 5 up. You haven't sold tickets, you haven't sold concession, you haven't sold parking, and you haven't sold merchandise. Yeah. And you haven't sold local TV and broadcast.
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Right.
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You're. You're 95 now. Okay. You pay your coaching staff. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you all in on your coaching staff and, and 30 million. You still got 65. Plus the five things that I just left added. So at worst case scenario, you probably coming home with 100 mil. Yeah, that's worst case. Cowboys, you probably coming home with 300 mil. But even the worst franchise is coming home with 100 mil. After they pay all the players. After they pay. After they pay other coaches. That's what you're coming home with.
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Yep. I mean, that, that's. That's always been the, the, the owner's mindset. That's always been the model for any business, especially absolutely. An entity of this magnitude, roi, because guess what? Can I, can I, can I, can I, can I pay less but maximize more? Always. That's always. That's always been the model.
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It is because Guess what it is, Ocho, as we see food prices, where you go these restaurants where the prices are going up.
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Yeah.
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Guess what's not going up? The employees wages. So while the prices goes up, we're gonna make more. We paid them the same. See, that's how you do it.
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It's been a business model for a very long time.
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Somebody gonna need, somebody gonna need the jobs. Yeah. Now there are some jobs and the people like, well, why they coming across here? Why they coming? Because they're doing jobs you don't want to. All I know is when I'm driving side the road and I'm seeing people clear weeds and doing all that manual labor.
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Yes sir.
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They don't really be looking like me. They don't be looking American to me.
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Right.
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Because when they be showing them clips of people in the fields.
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Yeah.
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I've done that type of work.
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Yeah.
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As a kid. It let me know I didn't want to do that as an adult. When you go to the hotels, Ocho, who cleaning the rooms?
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Oh yeah, it's not us.
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When you come to the, when you come out here to on the strip rooms.
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Yeah, not us.
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So there's always going to be someone in the fast food industry that wants those jobs even though they're. I don't know what to make. I mean I see, sometimes I go see, I pass the paying 15 an hour. We're paying 17 hours. So I don't know what they. I don't know what the average is. Chad, y' all would have to tell me what, what you make at a fast food restaurant because I don't know. 316. 16, 16 and a half. Okay, 16 and a half an hour. You work eight hour shift. I guess they work. You think they work eight hour shifts?
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Oo, yeah, that sound, that sound about right, huh?
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Yeah, look, that's 120, 128. $128, blah blah blah. Not about 100, 130. $334 a day.
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Yeah, I mean that, that, that's, that's,
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that's my little check. Boy, I can imagine what I could have done with $134 a day.
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Can you imagine? I'm trying to think. You know, uncle, I used to work at McDonald's. Obviously. It was, it was my freshman year, my freshman year in high school. There was a McDonald's in Liberty City on 62nd street, right by the highway, maybe about 15 blocks away from. My grandma stayed. I, I worked there my freshman year in high school at obviously at at McDonald's. And I. I can't remember what minimum wage was back then. And this is way back in 1990, 93, 92, something like that. But, hey, hey, boy. And you know, I. You know, my check had to go straight to grandma.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Piggy bank. You got to put this up in your bank. You got to put this in. Hey, I got to teach you how to save.
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Seven night. 725. Yeah, yeah. Somebody say, hey, okay, millionaires. But you see, you look at Ocho and I. Now, you didn't say that when we was coming up. From the ages of five until we made it to the NFL. I didn't make that kind of money until like, 94. So I'm just trying to say because, see, and that's the thing. Everybody look at what they see now, Ocho, but they don't see where we came from. I did everything. I ain't see y' all be talking. I did my resume. My working in the fields is documented.
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Wait, I got a question too. Not only did you work. We all know your story because you talk about your story all the time. I mean, do people think. Are we forgetting? I worked at McDonald's when I was in Santa Monica, UNC. I worked at Kukaroo. I work at KB Toy Stores in Fox Hills Mall. I worked at Men's Land at Fox Hills Mall. Like, I literally had. I had no choice. My grandma, she. When. My grandma, when she hit me with that. When I got thrown out of Langston and I came back home and she looked at me in my face with tears and said, I've done all I can. I washed my hands and I had to go live with my mom in la. I had no choice. I had to survive at that point.
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Yes.
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Well, you a grown man. Oh, so you think you're grown?
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I see you gotta do grown man, please.
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And you still wanna do it your way. You know what? You gotta go to your mama. So I had to get a job. Well, hurricane ain't play that.
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But guess what, Ocho. You nor I thought we were too good to have any job. I didn't. I never thought a job was beneath me, man, I ain't doing that.
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Never that. Never that. I had to work. I ain't have a choice. I had to. How I was gonna eat. I noticed my home. See what you wanna do.
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So what's the Normanship for a fair age. Anybody know? So how long does. How long do you work? How long do you guys work in the fast food? So is it like you Work six hours, you work eight hours, you work ten hours. What's a. What's a shift at a fast food restaurant? Somebody. Somebody that. Anybody that's. That's worked there, that knows anything. Because I have no earthly idea. Huh? Eight hours. Okay. Cause you working in the field, it wasn't no eight hours. It wasn't no eight hours. I promise you that.
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Well, you got to work longer or shorter.
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Yeah, you work longer than eight hours. We got to the point. We got to the point. Ojo, if you finish, if you like, we. We go by the barn. Yeah. You finished, you could get off. That wasn't always like that. We would just start, right? So we would start, say, seven o', clock, and we knock off around six. You get an hour. You get an hour. So from the time he dropped you off at home.
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Yes.
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Whatever time that was, they wouldn't come back and pick you up to go back to the field. So from 7 to 12. So we probably get off about 12. It all depends. We try to finish at one end or another. Well, we tried to finish on the end. This area that's closer to the truck, you didn't want to finish. Have to walk way down here and walk. So we, you know, even if we, like, say it's 12 o', clock, I remember Mr. Joe, like, guys, we can make it. And, you know, you get an extra. You know, that's an extra 15 minutes. Lunchtime, okay? Our lunchtime scarfed the food down, and me and my cousin, my brother, we out there playing basketball.
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Yeah.
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So it wasn't like no rest. My grandma like, boy, y' all come out that sun, y' all gonna have a heat stroke. Did you not see us just come out the field?
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Right?
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You ain't say nobody no heat stroke, but playing basketball, you will have a heat stroke. So that's when I'm like. I tell. I tell kids today, Ocho, work a lot of jobs. Cause it'll let you know what you don't want to do when you get old, get older, because you can't do it when you young and spry and vibrant. You damn sure not going to do that in your late 20s, your 30s, your 40s. And you damn sure not want to do it when you're in your 50s or 60s.
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Yeah.
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So work some things work. Let you know what, man. Man, ain't no hell where in hell I want to work 12, 14 hours a day if I'm working 12, 14 hours as a kid. But, you know, young adult, you're a teenager, you're in your early 20s. Nah, this, this ain't, this ain't what I'm trying to do. Right. This ain't what I'm trying to do. Now everybody, everybody, hey, everybody's not going to be able to parlay and flip that into something Right. More prosperous.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, you know what's funny too is most of the time you think about it, we all have to have a plan B. We all have our plan A. Our plan A is what we actually want to do. And the fact that I think about, let's say if football didn't work, if football didn't work out, you know, obviously I still have the discipline, understanding. I still have to make a living. I still have to eat. I. Hold on. I still have kids. So I still would have the structure and discipline to go out and get a job. It might not be the one thing I want to do. It might not be the NFL.
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Yes.
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But even if it's not, I still have the ability to go and get a job. I don't see working as being beneath me.
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Absolutely not.
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I just don't. Because I had no choice but to do it growing up and I did it at places that people would somewhat frowned upon. Maybe I ain't working in no fast food place, but hell, I started at McDonald's. Hell, I was. I did Christmas season at KB Toy
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Store that have been nice to work in air conditioning.
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I work in the clothing store at Crenshaw Mall and Fox Hills Mall. Men's land. I wonder if Sam's still there. Anybody in the chat that's from la. I mean, you know what I'm talking about, man.
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Six hours. They say they work six hour shifts at restaurants.
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Oh, that's not bad. That's not bad. That's not bad.
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Well, here's the thing though. Ocho do. It's not bad. But when you only making $10 an hours. Let me get all the bibles. Let me get, Let me get 10, 12 hours.
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I, I don't like that. I, I don't like the part and I don't like the part now, now you get a better understanding is the shifts are so short and they don't make enough. Now you get a better understanding of why I've been tipping the way I do the past 20 years every time I go out. It's ridiculous.
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Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's tough and I, you know, look, I understand because I've been there, I've been there, been dirt poor and, and you know, you got to make ends meet. You know, we. We work, me and my brother, we take half our money. You know, we got to buy school clothes, right? But we got to help granny pay bills. You know, light needs to be on. Telephone bill got to be paid. Gas bill got to be paid. Sometimes we run short of money in the winter because we're not really working like that. Yeah, Ocho. Hey, we got to pull that. Hey, we got to open that fireplace. Look, boys, you. You. You. You. Granted short this month, we're gonna have to use the fireplace. Okay?
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Right.
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It wasn't like. Oh, man. Man, this is. This is the bird. This for the birds. No. Yeah.
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You ain't had no other way, Brandon.
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Doing the best she can, that's what. And boy used to break my heart every time she would send. She would sit, because, you know, Odyssey cash. You ain't have no. Grandma have no checking account. We have money order. Grandma would send cash. Have sad liberty to send me cash in Savannah State. But she would put it in newspaper because, you know, people gonna hold it up to the light.
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Yeah.
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Oh, they got money in there. You never see it. You never see it, right? So my grandma would have my sister put it in the newspaper. My sister put a note. Brandon say, this all she. It ain't much, son. That's all I got. It's $5, Man. That's all I got is $5. Or Joe. Yeah. Oh, she'll give me a spank and say, well, here. Here, boys. Here's some money. Here's a piece of money. She gives $5, I get 250. Spanky get 250. Well, Spanky gonna hold on to his. Not Shannon. Shannon's gone. Back then, sodas was a quarter. Honey buns wore a quarter bag of chips. And back then, bag of chips filled all the way up to the top. Not half the chips in the rest of the half is air. Yeah, that Bull John. They be pulling on us now, Ocho.
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Oh, yeah, man.
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I give me three sodas, three honey buns, two bags of chips. But I tell people all the time, Ocho, the easiest job I've ever had playing in the NFL. Because you know why, Ocho? Because that's something I really wanted to do.
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Wanted to do? Yeah.
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I ain't want to clip no damn onions. I ain't want to catch chickens. I ain't want to crop tobacco. I ain't want to bail hay. I ain't want to goddamn low watermelons. I ain't want to do none of that right the only thing I ever wanted to do was play in the NFL. Cause it looked fun. And they. When I saw they was making fifty thousand. A hundred thousand dollars in the late seventies. What. Do you know how much money that is from a kid from Georgia that's living on the shotgun shack? A hundred thousand dollars on you?
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Yeah. Big money.
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What? You know what, Ocho? I would take you down. I would let you do some of the jobs that I used to do.
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Come on. Hey, come on, man. Come on. Bring me down there.
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Hey. But is it catching chickens have gotten a lot of ease, Ocho. Because now what I hear is they got. They got the coops, they got the. The chicken cages in. In the house. See, we used to have to catch the chickens. We open the back door, we take a flashlight. Because it had to be dark. Cause the chickens are holding up. And we just have a light, a flashlight standing up. So you can just barely see the chickens. And you catch three in one hand, three in the other hand. You walk them out, you walk them up, you hand them to the guy. He takes them. Hand them to another guy that was stacking them. Now they got him in there. You ain't got to do nothing. They take a forklift and do all that.
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Hey, I want.
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What kind of bull job is that?
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Hey, hey, Unc, I need you to take me out there, right?
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Okay.
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And have him out there in the field. Wow. How about that?
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Why?
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I'm gonna put on some cleats.
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No, no, no. They're in the chicken house. They like. They might be 8, 10,000 chickens in the house. You have to go. But that's. Ocho, I wonder the way you did it.
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I wonder the way you did it.
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That's the way I did it.
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Oh, okay. It was in the house. Okay. Yeah, that's too easy, man.
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Oh, okay. I don't know, Ocho. Now your back gonna be on fire. Because you got to realize that's a lot of bending over. Yeah, I mean, my back was hurting. Hell, I'm 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, right. My back hurting. So I can imagine with a grown. A grown person. Yeah. That ain't you, boy. You might be in traction, man.
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I'm ready, boy. I'm ready. What? Set that up for me. Set that up. Get the cameras ready.
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The NFL, the GM report cards, a grade with the Dan Morgan of Carolina. George Patton for the Broncos. Chris Ballard, less need. Obviously. Adolfo Mensah, he got it and got fired. John Schneider and Adam peters, A with daCosta. A minus was the Costa Brandon Bean, Ryan Poles, Brad Holmes, Nick Casario, James Gladstone, John Spycheck, Chris Greer. He got fired, too. Moogie. John lynch and Todd and Jason Light. B plus was Terry Font. No. Brian Gudicus, Brett Veach, Joe Hortez, Elliot Wolf and Mike Borgonzi. But here, D plus. Joe. Sean. Sean. Joe Shown. He was the Giants GM.
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And you notice the GMs. The GM. The GMs, they got great, good grades.
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Jerry got a B. Jerry got a B. Jerry gotta be. Jerry gotta be. Jerry got his players. Well, that's the gm, but Jerry. What did. What else did Jerry get a B for?
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Hey, hold on.
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Who.
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Who did the grades, though? The players.
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The players. The players.
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Okay, okay, okay. Hey, that. That's. That's amazing. I've never. I've never seen. I've never seen actually, where players get the grade. You know, the GMs. I. I've never heard. I've never heard that before. That's. That must be something new.
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Yeah, they get. They give. No, they give them every year for the. They've been doing it for like the last four years where they can't do it anymore.
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Okay. Hey, I know some GMs, especially those that got bad grades. They probably pissed these SAP suckers. They didn't gave me a D. And I'm the one, man.
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Yeah. Brett Beach. Brett beach got a B plus. Terry Font. No, Gunikens. Brett beach got B plus. Omar Khan. I don't know how he got a C plus from the Steelers, because he ain't found a quarterback yet. Duke Tobin got a C. Andrew Barry. I don't know how Andrew Barry. Well, I mean, considering he had a defensive rookie of the year and he found a Harold Fanning Jr. We'll see what. We'll. We'll see what. Shador. If Shador is able to parlay the last half of the season and turn that into something positive moving forward, then I can understand why he got the grade that he had. But what about all those other grades? He'd been there for a minute. This ain't his first year. But. But that's it, Ocho. You won't get no more GM grades moving forward. Where's Howie Roseman? They better. Howie should have got an eight. Oh, how. We got a B. He got a B. Yeah.
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Who. I mean, how many. How many. How many of us? How many Saints?
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He gotta be some of these guys. I don't know. I don't know who. Obviously. Eric Dasta is with the Ravens, right? Chris Greer was with the, The. The Dolphins. Brad Holmes is with the Detroit. Nick Casarios is with the Houston Texas. Ryan Poles he's with the Chicago Bears. Let's need is with less is with not Kansas. No, no. He with Seattle in less. Yeah, Seattle or that John Schneider with Seattle.
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That's Snyder with Seattle.
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Okay, less needed with the Rams then. Yeah.
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Hey. Hey, boy. The measurables, the intangibles and the numbers jump off the roof. And when you turn the film on, you get exactly just that as well. I'm not sure where young Bull is going to go, but I guarantee you, whatever his draft stock was before the combine, even if it was already high, it just climbed a little bit higher.
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Jesus.
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I don't know who the strength and conditioning coach is, and I don't know if he went somewhere else o train right, because you know, they got facilities in Florida. They got Arizona, they got Cali, they got Texas. You know, Michael Johnson put a. Got. Got a speed camp going. Yeah, I don't know. But all I know is this Ohio State guys, they could go.
G
Boy, they can go. Hey, hey, you saw Reese. Did you see what Ava Reese tested that too.
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Yeah.
G
Hey, they. Hey, man.
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And they had Caleb Downs on that. So they had three guys. I mean, they got top guys on that defense.
G
Boy.
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And they had the D line. I forget the D lineman, but they got, they got a couple of D line ones, but one of them is. Was great. Is graded really high. But 6 foot 5, 244, that's crazy with those measurables.
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Hold on. A full foe, huh?
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Yeah,
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man.
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At 244. Six foot five. Ocho, that's.
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That's cr. That's crazy.
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These guys. That's crazy, man. These guys get. These guys get ridiculous with it, man. These guys getting. I mean, and I think they had. They had like. Hold on. They had like four or five linebackers that run that ran like sub four or five.
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That's crazy. Hey, what was. What was Javon curse? You remember Javon curse stats at the combine? Did he even do the combine?
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I think he did.
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You think, you think his stats were probably similar, huh?
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Yeah. Freak was creep. Freak was a man you had to see. I mean, I got him with his absolute apex.
G
Yeah.
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At his absolute, absolute best. Because he came in at 99 at Tennessee. I was there in 2000 and 2001, so I saw him at his absolute apex.
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Oh, yeah. I don't think. Hey, the Chat might not remember. Y' all remember Chat. Y' all remember Javon curse.
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They call him the Freak.
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Oh, my goodness.
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He was like 6, 5. He probably like 265. You got it. Hey, I mean, he had crazy. He had crazy measurables shredded. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes.
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Hey, I seen, I seen Freak not too long ago in the airport, man. He still looked the same.
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Do it.
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Hey, yo, I'm like, why? Why you look like you can still play. I seen him at F1 in Miami too. Like, God damn, boy.
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Hold on. At265, he ran 4, 5, 8. He had a 37 inch vertical, a 4 2, 4, 2, 4 in the 20 yard shuttle. But at his pro day, he ran 4, 4, 3. At 260, he was even faster. Yep. He was defensive rookie of the year, obviously. He had 14 and a half sacks.
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That's crazy. Oh, freak.
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These guys are getting. You give these guys. Ocho, it's kind of like you give these guys like a test. This is. Okay. This is the exact test. You go, I'm gonna give you six weeks, I'm gonna give you eight weeks to prepare. This is the exact test that you're gonna take.
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Yeah.
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All these guys do is run 40s, shuttle vert, long standing, brawl jump 225. That's all they do. And they take the wonder leg. That's all they do. The exact test.
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Yeah.
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They eat, sleep, they, they work out twice a day. They get the right nutrition. What you're trying to do, you're trying to take weight off. You're trying to gain weight. You trying to keep the speed right. Shakes, everything is prepared. You probably take out a loan, you know, your agent give you a little bread. Say, look, this is what's going to cost. Probably cost you 20, $25,000. You go here and you run four, four. Guess what? You don't made it back.
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Yeah, hey, you'd have made it back plus some 10.
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10 fold.
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Plus. It's so funny. Hey, Chat, it's so funny. If it. A lot of players that's going to go to the combine that maybe been overlooked, maybe their film, they don't pop out on film as much as they should. But that 40 yard dash, that 40 yard jazz can change your life. That 40 yard dark can change your life depending on what you run. Especially you run a staggering time based on the position you play. Man, listen. That your life can change in the blink of an eye. If you're not one of those top picks, you know that, that, that. It, that is, that is always, you know, on, on everybody's radar. Especially you played at the Power 5 schools where everybody knows what you can do, but they're gonna be some sleepers on that nobody knows about that gonna get. When the receivers run.
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Saturday.
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Saturday. Man. I. I can't. I can't wait.
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We won for one. Who didn't. Who didn't pan out? He ran. He ran. No, he ran 446. Yes. Who didn't. Who didn't pay it out? Oh, oh, okay. You said we won for one. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He paying out. I was like, yeah. Because all he had to do was run under 4. 449. Yeah, he ran 446. Okay. Yeah. So who we got next? Who we got up.
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Exceptional.
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The rest of our guys run on Saturday.
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Okay.
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Jeremiah.
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Okay. No, I, I think, yeah. But here's the thing. If you play fast and you don't test fast, if you don't, they're gonna go back and look, they're gonna say, okay, yeah, he jumps off the screen. So why didn't he run faster, right? Because normally guy. This is what look at a guy. If a guy can stand in long jump or he convert, that means he's explosive. So he's probably going to be good, really good in the 40. Guys that are good in the 40, they normally. Because that's explosive energy, right? So normally it translates. So if I want. But at the end of the day now, the tape is the most important thing always. All I'm hoping is that boy, oh, this joker here, he jumps off the tape. Give prime example. Michael Parsons. Yeah, go back and look at Michael Parsons tape. He jumps off the field. Now he comes to the combine. Everything that you saw on tape, it's there.
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You know what's funny too chat and why the combine is so important, especially that 40 yard dash. Because you can't teach speed. No, you can't teach speed.
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I can improve it, but if you. Listen, if you a 4, if you a 5 flat, I can't get you down to 4.
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4.
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I'm sorry.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't. But when you, when you find those jam zunk, you know, those four tools and those four threes and. And they can. They can. They can carry their pads, as they call it, because there are a lot of people that. That test fast, but they play slow.
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Correct.
G
Especially when they put them damn pads on.
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Yes.
G
Well, God damn. What happened?
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Yeah, son.
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Run.
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I am. Damn. You running.
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Yeah. Everybody can't carry those pads, man. It's weird.
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A lot of time, ojo, when guys are not. Don't they. They. They are fast and they thinking. Because if you thinking. Yeah, you can't play fast. No, you can't, because you like. Well, damn. Am I. Am I right, bro? Go, go, go.
G
Yeah.
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And so that's why I say, guys, learn your playbook. The only way you can maximize your ability is to know the playbook.
G
Yeah.
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Know where you're supposed to go and get there in a hurry.
G
Yeah.
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He who hesitate is beat every time. You can't think because if you going against somebody, you thinking he's not. He gone, he's gone. So. But the. Those guys, them linebackers, they. They put on the show today.
G
Yeah.
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43 and a half inch vert. But see, here's the thing, Ocho, that's different than what the NBA test. The NBA let you run and jump.
G
They get to run and do it. Yep.
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Man. Do you know what these guys would do if they would just let them run and jump?
G
Yeah. Yeah.
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Some of these guys, I mean, Boss Bailey, I think Boss Bailey had like a 44. Gerald Sensible, he had like a 45 inch bird, played with the Cowboys.
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45.
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Yes.
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Jesus.
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Yeah.
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Oh, hey.
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What?
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Just standing there.
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Standing. Yeah. I think Boss bailey had like 44 champs, brother.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Boss was athletic as hell.
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Did Boss play? You played with Boss, right?
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Nah.
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Where did Boss go? He might have went to Detroit.
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He was in Detroit? Yeah, he was in Detroit.
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Who else had Byron. What was Byron? The guy, the. The DB from the Cowboys with the Yukon.
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Byron Jones.
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Byron Jones, that joker. Standing long jump, 12:3. Which is a world record if they were tested.
G
Damn.
A
Yes. Boy, that joker had he got jackass in him or something.
G
You know how. You know how far 12ft is?
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Hell, yeah.
G
From standing. From standing still.
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Let you know how explosive you are. Yeah. Look at track guys, I bet if you. If you were to test track guys and stuff like that, right? The explosive jokers get out on Joe. Yeah. You got to be explosive to get out like that, man. Yeah, but I think. I think. I think Gerald Sensible still has the record at 45 vert. Byron Jones has the record 12 3. Stephen Paell got the record in the bench. He did 49 reps at 225.
G
How many?
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49. Hey, he got 50. He got 50 right there. Ocho,
G
that's crazy.
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Do you understand how much endurance you got to have to do that?
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50 reps? Absolutely.
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Hell, once you get to 30, that lactic acid is building up, building up. You get to 40.
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I saw Larry Allen. I forgot how many Larry Allen did it.
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43.
G
Oh, at the Pro Bowl.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He was going, man.
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Yeah, An anonymous NFL GM says he's not remotely interested in Tyreek Hill. Even at the vet minimum, we're. We aren't touching him. No chance. We think he's done. He isn't a difference maker anymore. The juice isn't worth the squeeze, not even as a vet minimum guy for us. What that minimum is a million dollars coming out for ACL. How old is he? ACL, a MCL, a broken tibia. How old is he up? 31, I think. I think he's 31. Oh, he got. He got a little. You got some juice left.
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Got a whole lot of juice left.
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How old is he? He'll be 32 on March 1st? Yeah. Is it March 1st?
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He.
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31 right now? How old is he right now?
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Hey, hey, hey, Joe and Unc. When I. When I hear. When I hear owners say stuff like this, I would so love the. The.
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The.
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The. To know exactly where the source came from, who the owner actually is.
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It was a gm.
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Hey, GM in general. Oh, they always anonymous. They always anonymous. I would love to see what receivers he has on his squad where he thinks even Tyreek Hill coming back off injury ain't better than what we got out there right now.
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I think he would be Ocho, if he wasn't coming off serious injuries. He's coming off a serious injury, and he's about to be 32 in three days. With that being said, at bet minimum, I think it's a strike now. I'm not going. I'm not going much above that. Ocho. Give. Yeah, given. Given. Given what he's coming back off of.
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What about what he looks like after injury?
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Well, he did. He did that in week four.
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Coming in.
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What do you have? He had. He had. We know he had a broken tibia. We know he had an acl. Were there any other ligaments? Were there mcl. Was it any meniscus damage? Lcl? Yeah. Is it multiple torn ligaments? So we know the acl. Okay, guys, come back from the acl. It's those. It's those small. And so did they repair Ocho? Did they give him a cadaver? They take part of the patel. Because, you know, they take part of the patella tendon, and they. They reattach.
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Yeah.
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So it's all. It's interesting to see what all he had done. They said multiple ligaments. Now we know the acl, we don't know if it's the mcl, the lcl, we don't know if it's any of those, but we. We assume. Now, we don't know which other ligaments. Corresponding ligaments it is. We know he. Right. We also know he broke his. Broke his leg, the fibula. So it's gonna be. It's. It's a. It's a. It's an uphill climb. But athletes, I mean, you know, they know we know how to rehab. We know how to get back. Yeah.
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Big time.
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If there's a will, there's a way he'll get. He'll do it. But I do think for. For a million dollars. I mean, for that. Because that's the bet minimum, Mocho. Oh, yeah. For a million dollars. I'm definitely doing it now. I Don't know if you'll go there for a million dollars, but I'm saying no.
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No, no, no. Absolutely not. Now, I think he's gonna do. He gonna do it, right, Uncle Joe? Depending on how he looks, he'll be back over there with Andy Reid and Mahomes and Eric B. Enemy because he's familiar with the system. They're going to know how to use them. It'd be. It'd be perfect. It'd be perfect for him because he doesn't have to be the one to shoulder the burden. Yeah, you're gonna be all right.
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It's just the thing is, Ocho the man.
G
Yeah.
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If they ever get a chance to get you while you're down, you best believe.
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Oh, they coming, man. Are they coming?
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Don't.
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Oh, they.
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Oh, they said that. And that's what I would advise the guys. Guys, keep it. Be as gracious as you possibly can. I know sometimes it gets hard, but. Yeah, you always want to give them, like, you know what we like. Hey, he. He'd never given anybody any problem. He's a great locker room guy. He's competitive. Man, when. When you coming off an injury and it's like, well, you. Yeah, thank you. A problem in the locker room and you got a lot of stuff going on because they looking for a reason, Ocho. They just don't give them a reason.
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Always looking for a reason. And if. If there is no reason, they gonna create one.
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It's like, as a coach, you want to say, sonic, don't cut yourself. Let us do that.
G
Like, hey, that's a classic.
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Know where you're supposed to be, do what you're supposed to do. Be on time. Yeah, but you make my job real easy when you don't know what you're supposed to do, you're not where you're supposed to be, and you're not on time. You really make my job easy. Make it difficult on me. Facts make it so I have to like, damn. I don't, you know, hey, look, I understand. I think. I think with a. With a little, you know, with a little time, this. This guy might turn into a pretty good player for us. As opposed to, like, nah, nah, can't.
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I can't do it.
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So we wish Tyreek a speedy, speedy recovery. New Ravens head coach Jesse Mentor hopes to change players attitude towards OTAs. He said today, first of all, I do have total respect for the rules, that it is voluntary. Totally understand that. And Lamar has an unbelievable success doing it both ways. And so there's Certainly a balance there, but I think it's our job is to create an environment and a learning opportunity where they feel like it's really important for them to be there. Ocho, what's up? We had sound. We. We didn't have no sound of that, did we? Okay. What'd you think of Ocho? What.
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What did Mr. Mr. Say?
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He said he understands that it's totally voluntary. And he understands.
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Right.
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And he understands Lamar's had success doing it both ways, but he says, I think it's our job is to create an environment and a learning opportunity where they feel like it's really important to them to want to be there.
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Yeah, I like. I like.
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I like it.
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I like the words, man. It's all up to Lamar. Whatever Lamar wants to do. I mean, it would behoove him being that it's a new system, it's a new officer coordinator, new coaches. I'm sure everybody. I mean, they will have 100% attendance, even though it is voluntary, because I
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think, you know, man, look, I'm trying. Well, you didn't have a coach because Marvin was there your whole tenure, so you didn't have a coach.
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Yeah, well, no. Remember. Remember I had Dick lebow first.
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Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right, you're right.
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Yeah, right.
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You're absolutely right, Ocho. And then you got. And then you got Marvin, but did. And so as long as you don't change head coaches, you really. Because you get. Change head coaches, you get three. Get to have three camps. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be interesting. I. I think. I think Lamar is going to show up just for the simple fact that, you know what? They're working on it. Eric dacosta is like, look, me and Lamar had a great opportunity, great conversation over the years. We don't really talk about the contract thing, but I do think Lamar. I think Lamar is going to show up. They don't really do anything. They don't do anything. And plus, I think it gives them a head start on learning the offense. It's a totally new offense. Me, I kind of like keeping the same coach because I like the same offense, Ocho, So that way I didn't have to show up.
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Right.
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That's why. That was the only reason. I like the joke because I didn't want to show up. But look. And look, they want to. They're. They're very motivated to get a deal done with Lamar. Lamar's finger jump. He's finna jump. Josh Allen, we know what Josh got. Lamar's gonna get that and some. They ain't gonna play with him, is it?
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no. Because the faster you can get that done. Yes. You know, the better off things to be around there. He probably, you know, new system, new coach. So you want to get everybody acclimated and nothing get you acclimated make you want to show up, Ocho. Like 300 million, huh? Hello. Hey. When a hundred million dollars hit your. Hit your bank account.
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Damn.
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Y' all really wanted me to show about. I don't mind if I do.
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Hey, it's a different world. Yeah.
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Hey, I, I'd have never thought if somebody would have told me when free agency hit back in 93, that was the first year of it. Yeah. That the salary would get to where what they.
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I.
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Let me get the hell out of here. These guys are getting, these guys are getting contracts for what. What these owners purchase teams for. I mean, you could, you could. Yeah, you could buy a team. I mean, back in the 80s, you could buy a team for $60 million. Hey, but hold up. You remember, you remember in the NBA coming in as rookies, they used to. Didn't have no salary. You used to consign a 60, 70 million dollar deal.
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Yeah.
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One of the last ones to get that contract. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had to put that salary cap on there real quick. Hold on, hold on. For this thing get out of hand. Well, it used to be Ocho. Well, you know, it used to be there was no salary cap on rookies. Sam Bradford was the highest paid. Was the highest paid player and he was a rookie. Yeah, yeah.
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And we went to the Rams first.
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Right.
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And then you know how they did. To see. It's like, no, you know what? We don't think that's right. We want to, you know, we want to put a rookie cap and you know that'll keep more vets, put a rookie cap on the quarterbacks and then cut the beds. Right. But no, I, I think Lamar is going to show up. I think, I think he's going to be very motivated to show up when they give. When they give him that Josh Allen money. Oh, we. 250, 260 million guaranteed. 120. 130 at the time of signing. Yeah, yeah, I gonna show up. I gonna. Steve, you know what? You and I have been working great together. Let's continue this relationship. Who's to say Ocho, in another four years he can't get another contract.
G
Yeah.
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Damn he just 29 for real
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boy. Young boy.
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Yeah. And. And then when the MVP win a subo. See y' all in training camp. I see y' all for that mandatory one in June. I'm just telling you,
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Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unc") and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho")
Original Air Date: February 28, 2026
This episode of Nightcap dives into breaking NFL news through the candid, entertaining lens of Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson. The two legends dissect the recent, controversial leak of NFLPA team and GM report cards, discuss the economics and priorities around franchise spending, and break down combine performances before taking on an explosive anonymous claim that Tyreek Hill "isn't even worth the vet minimum." The show is packed with firsthand NFL insights, personal stories about work and discipline, and honest player perspectives you won't hear anywhere else.
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The conversation is animated, unfiltered, and peppered with humor, nostalgia, and occasional disbelief at modern NFL culture. Sharpe and Johnson provide deep experience, making this episode equally entertaining and informative for hardcore fans and casual listeners alike.