Best of NFL News Part 2: A.J. Brown MADNESS, Anthony Richardson DELUSION!

Summary

Nightcap Podcast – Best of NFL News Part 2: A.J. Brown MADNESS, Anthony Richardson DELUSION!

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Date: May 9, 2026
Episode Theme:
A fast-paced, unfiltered discussion dissecting the NFL draft’s biggest stories, player trades, and quarterback development. The hosts share their insider perspectives on the reported Cowboys-Steelers-Eagles draft drama, A.J. Brown trade rumors, Anthony Richardson’s struggles, and the complexities of NFL locker room dynamics.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives into the behind-the-scenes chess moves from the 2026 NFL Draft, focusing on the Dallas Cowboys' maneuvering, the uproar over A.J. Brown’s impending trade, and the high-stakes expectations for young quarterbacks like Anthony Richardson. Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson pull no punches, offering personal anecdotes and hard-hitting advice on what it takes to succeed—and survive—in pro football, both on the field and in the locker room.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cowboys-Steelers-Eagles Draft Drama

(02:45 – 07:16)

• Summary:
  The Cowboys reportedly “duped” the Steelers in the draft by leaking Pittsburgh’s target (Makai Lemon) to Philadelphia, orchestrating a trade that netted Dallas more draft capital and left Pittsburgh furious. The crew debates the ethics, strategies, and realities of NFL war-room mind games.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "This isn't a Boy Scout troop, man. We're trying to win a championship." – Joe (04:21)
  • "That's how business. Hello, ain’t it? That’s why they call it the war room." – Ocho (04:45)
  • "If I met... If you said it's the war room, that means I’m at war with all 31 other teams." – Joe (05:33)

• Memorable Moment:
  The real-time chaos of a player (Makai Lemon) having to hang up on the Steelers when he was suddenly drafted by the Eagles (04:25 – 04:45).

• Insight:
  The NFL Draft is as much psychological warfare as it is scouting—no trust, all business.

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2. Grading NFL Draft Moves

(08:02 – 13:41)

• Summary:
  The crew breaks down strongest and weakest draft hauls. High praise goes to the Cowboys and Eagles, especially Philly’s masterful moves under GM Howie Roseman.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "Cowboys get a goddamn A. Philadelphia, they get a goddamn A." – Ocho (09:29)
  • "Is [Howie Roseman] just made for this stuff, huh? Draft, offseason acquisitions… everything he does, he always does it right." – Ocho (09:38)

• Memorable Moment:
  Ocho marveling at defensive picks and trash talking his Bengals’ prospects (11:08 – 11:28).

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3. The A.J. Brown Saga: Trade Rumors and Fallout

(10:21, revisited at 46:11 – 51:30)

• Summary:
  Long-circulating reports indicate A.J. Brown’s days in Philly are numbered, with both hosts bragging they predicted this months ago. They analyze how irreconcilable differences between Brown and the Eagles led to a likely trade, possibly to the Patriots.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "He’ll be over there in Boston." – Ocho (10:28)
  • "Sometimes you have irreconcilable differences… we can part amicably." – Joe (10:32)
  • "When did I say AJ Brown was going? What team I say he was going to? Two months ago, Joe!" – Ocho (46:45)
  • "I want y’all to run it with the same passion… y’all say Unc and Ocho don’t know what they talking about." – Joe (48:32)

• Insight:
  The situation is held up as classic proof that even Pro Bowl performance can’t patch over deeper issues in a franchise, and that smart insiders often “know before you know.”

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4. The Responsibility of the Quarterback Position: The Anthony Richardson Discussion

(27:33 – 41:50)

• Summary:
  With Anthony Richardson’s NFL struggles and potential new offensive system in play, the hosts debate the myth that a new “coaching tree” can save a player, emphasizing personal accountability above all.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "It’s not about the system… It’s you. The work you put in, the results show up on Sundays." – Ocho (28:17, 29:00)
  • "Don’t get mad at the results you didn’t get for the work you didn’t put in." – Joe (28:55)
  • "That’s the one position you can’t take no shortcut, Joe." – Ocho (29:47)
  • "You gotta want it more than somebody wants it for you." – Joe (39:55)

• Memorable Moments:

  • The hosts recalling personal experience:
    "I talk too much trash… so I had to go and practice, and I’m gonna do what I said I’m gonna do. And ain’t nothing you can do to stop it." – Ocho (40:18)
  • The ridicule chatroom fans gave them for their tough-love QBs analysis:
    "Y’all know more than us? I’ll let y’all have it." – Joe (30:10, about stream critics)

• Insight:
  Success at QB is about obsessive preparation—not just raw talent or cutting-edge playbooks. The “quarterback CEO” analogy gets extended to owner impatience with slow development.

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5. Families & Brotherhood in Pro Football

(18:45 – 22:48)

• Summary:
  Discussion about brothers playing together in the league (e.g., Terrells with the Falcons), and how rare, special, and meaningful that accomplishment is for families.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "Has there ever been a tandem of brothers that actually played together on the same team at the same position?" – Ocho (19:01)
  • "That’s got to be one of the greatest feelings in the world… one of the greatest feelings as parents." – Ocho (22:08)

• Insight:
  NFL bloodlines are celebrated as rare, emotional achievements for families, not just professional milestones.

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6. On Practice Habits, Old School vs. New School

(52:26 – 57:45)

• Summary:
  A revealing reflection on the evolution of NFL practice routines, padded practices, and whether rumors about players’ work ethics hold up. The story includes humorous nostalgia about skirting equipment rules.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "Some days… padded practices, Joe, I have on the shells. The defense would already know they weren’t gonna hit me no way." – Ocho (55:03)
  • "I had no thigh pads, no hip pads, no knee pads, no mouthpiece… just a helmet and shoulder pads." – Joe (57:21)

• Insight:
  Changing times, changing cultures: toughness is part swagger, part smarts.

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7. On NFL Memorabilia & Moving On

(58:43 – 66:31)

• Summary:
  A personal detour as the hosts discuss what (if any) mementos they kept from their careers, from jerseys and helmets to family heirlooms and even an Emmy award. Ocho says he left it all behind; Joe is a nostalgic collector.

• Notable Quotes:

  • "When a phase of life is done, it’s over. I close that book." – Ocho (60:41)
  • "People value things that used to be yours more than you do. I just don't see the value in it no more." – Ocho (66:19)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On the cutthroat nature of draft deals:
  "That’s how business. Hello, ain’t it? That’s why they call it the war room." – Ocho (04:45)
• On QB work ethic:
  "Don’t get mad at the results you didn’t get for the work you didn’t put in." – Joe (28:55)
• Calling their shots:
  "When did I say AJ Brown was going? What team I say he was going to? Two months ago, Joe!" – Ocho (46:11)
• On family in football:
  "That’s got to be one of the greatest feelings in the world… as parents." – Ocho (22:08)
• On closing football chapters:
  "When a phase of life is done, it’s over. I close that book." – Ocho (60:41)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Cowboys-Steelers-Eagles Draft Drama | 02:45–07:16 | | Grading NFL Draft Moves | 08:02–13:41 | | The A.J. Brown Trade Saga | 10:21, 46:11–51:30 | | Anthony Richardson QB Accountability | 27:33–41:50 | | NFL Brothers & Family | 18:45–22:48 | | Practice Habits: Old School vs. New School | 52:26–57:45 | | NFL Memorabilia & Moving On | 58:43–66:31 |

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Tone & Language

The discussion is raw, candid, and often humorous, with heavy use of real locker-room lingo. Both Shannon and Ocho speak from the heart, drawing on years of NFL experience to deliver unvarnished truths about the business side of football, the importance of work ethic, and what it means to be part of the game’s brotherhood.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode provides exceptional insight into the inner workings of the league: what really happens on draft day, how trade rumors start and swirl, and the uncompromising nature necessary to be an NFL star—on the field, in the film room, or just surviving the “dirty business” behind closed doors. Shannon and Ocho’s banter, wisdom, and no-BS attitude make it both informative and entertaining even for those who didn’t hear it live.

Transcript

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[Joe]

All right, now we head to the NFL. Joe, your Cowboys reportedly screwed the Steelers last night. Let's take a listen to the report that Chris Harris from the Fort Worth Star Telegram was. This is what he said.

[Chris Harris]

Pittsburgh is pissed about this. They feel like Dallas duped them. They, especially with the draft being in Pittsburgh, they felt embarrassed on a national stage. There was a wild development that happened in the war room, not only in Dallas last night, but also in Pittsburgh and in Philadelphia. So the Cowboys are sitting there on the clock at pick 20. They were planning on taking Malachi Lawrence right there, but they did. Entering that pick, they wanted to trade back. They had been tipped off somehow that Mai Lemon was going. Going to be the pick for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The USC wide receiver. There's a lot of connections with that new Pittsburgh staff. Remember, Mike McCarthy is the new head coach there. He hired a lot of, you know, assistant coaches and executives and scouts and, and, you know, people behind the scenes that were in Dallas just a couple of years ago. So it could have been as simple as someone in the Dallas war room just shooting a text to somebody in the Pittsburgh war room. Be like, hey, who are y' all taking here? And them thinking, oh, the Cowboys are taking defense. You know, this is just two guys, you know, two girls talking, right? Here they go. We're taking Makai Lemon, you know, and the Cowboys call Philadelphia. Cowboys call Philadelphia. They're like, hey, the Steelers are going to take Makai Lemon. We know you want a receiver, come up here, do this deal with us and give us two fourth round picks. And they did the deal and Pittsburgh is pissed. Multiple sources have told me this morning.

[Joe]

Damn, I love that. Yeah, I love the Cowboys being petty.

[Chris Harris]

And yes, it worked out so great for them.

[Joe]

This isn't a boy Scout troop, man. We're trying to win a championship.

[Chris Harris]

Who cares if the Steelers are pissed off? There's clips out there of Makai Lemon being on the phone with the Pittsburgh Steelers and then him being like, hey, why is Philadelphia calling his agents running in the room? Philly just traded for you. It's going to be Philly. And he has to hang up on the Steelers and answer the Eagles phone call and take that, and he's drafted at the 20th overall pick.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's how business. Hello, ain't it? That's why they. Joe, that's why they call it the war room.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

All the. Hey, listen, when it's time for war, ain't no love in that.

[Joe]

You can't. I don't.

[Ocho]

You're trying to.

[Joe]

I give you a prime example. I know y' all don't remember this story, but I do. Y' all do realize that somebody stole the secrets to Coca Cola formula, tried to sell it to Pepsi. Guess what Pepsi did.

[Uncle Joe]

What'd he do?

[Joe]

Told Coca Cola, got the FBA involved and got their ass arrested.

[Uncle Joe]

Why?

[Joe]

First of all, I don't blame. I don't blame the Cowboys, but why would somebody in Pittsburgh ever divulge that information? Why would you do that?

[Uncle Joe]

Right,

[Joe]

Ocho, if I met. If you said it's the war room, that means I met war with every other. All 31 other teams. I'm at war. Why would I divulge any information about who. What we're potentially gonna do?

[Ocho]

Hey, you know how this business goes, right? It ain't fair. It never has been. If we have an opportunity to get one up on another team.

[Joe]

Yeah, I don't got no problem with it. I have no problem whatsoever.

[Ocho]

Oh, okay.

[Joe]

My problem is with the Steelers, right? And they thought they could trust someone. I ain't got no friends. Right, Ocho, you go to another team, you go to. You go to the. The Patriots. Yes, man. Oh, so what y' all do? What y' all looking like out there, man? Where they got you playing at? Ah, man, I don't even know if I'm gonna play this week. That's what I'm saying.

[Uncle Joe]

Right, Right.

[Joe]

Anything that I say, they gonna go back and tell the D.C. or they gonna tell the office, man. This is what Ocho told me they're doing. You dumb dumbs.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, you know the Cowboys. The Cowboys got two picks off of that, though, didn't they?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Did they get two picks off of that?

[Commercial Announcer]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

From Philly. Moving up.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Plus, you got to realize, Dallas and Philly, this is not the first time they did this with Micah and devonte. Philly wanted devontae Smith. Dallas had to pick. They was like, okay, we'll trade back. Just don't take Parsons. Okay? Now we want devontae Smith.

[Ocho]

They agreed?

[Chris Harris]

Yes.

[Joe]

I don't know what Pittsburgh. I don't. I don't know what Pittsburgh was thinking in this situation. I don't. I don't know why. Why would that guy divulge that information? Oh, Joe.

[Ocho]

Why?

[Uncle Joe]

He felt comfortable. Had to. He had to feel comfortable Talk. Talking. Talking to them boys.

[Ocho]

But, hey, it's a dirty.

[Joe]

Hey, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, Uncle Joe. It always has been, not only with the players, but obviously those that wear those. Those jackets and those ties. It's still a dirty business.

[Joe]

You know, we saw this thing in baseball. Who. Who's that? Well, we saw the Houston Rockets. Houston Rockets. The Houston. The Astros were stealing sign. They banging on the drums. You saw the car where somebody had all that, Their portfolio, the information, the. The. The analytics and all that? Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, we got. Hey, them Cowboys got some good pickups, though, didn't they?

[Joe]

I. I love the Caleb down.

[Uncle Joe]

How Caleb down slip slipped us like that.

[Joe]

It seemed like somebody said he had some knee issues. Is that correct?

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, from. From what I've been hearing, hell, they were talking about how he's like one of the. If not the best prospect in the draft.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, he up there. He went up. He went on. Hey, he's a great pick. That's one of those picks you. You really. You really can't miss. And y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

Y' all got another Malachi. Another edge. Nah. J. Sean. J. Sean Barham. I think Edge rush.

[Uncle Joe]

When they draft him today.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Yep. Third round.

[Joe]

And hold on, didn't they get Rodriguez from Texas Tech? He was the Bronco. He was the. What you call him, outstanding defensive player this year. The linebacker from Texas Tech. Isn't he going to Dallas? No, he going to Miami. He's going to Miami? Yeah, he's going to Miami. He reminds. He reminds you of Ocho.

[Uncle Joe]

Who was that?

[Joe]

Zach Thomas.

[Ocho]

Kiko Long. Zach.

[Joe]

You remember Zach Thomas.

[Ocho]

He was number 10. Hey, he was number 10 at Texas Tech, right? Number 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like, too.

[Joe]

Didn't he. I think so, yeah. What did Zach Thomas go. I think Zach Thomas, the linebacker. Yeah, Zach. No, Zach Martin wouldn't know the name.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. A matter of fact. Matter of fact, when I think about the draft and in the first two rounds and I think about giving team grades based on what they've done so far with the first two rounds, the goddamn Cowboys get a. A. Goddamn Philadelphia. They get a goddamn A. I don't know what. Hey, Howie Roseman. I don't. Is he. He just made for this stuff, huh? He just made for this stuff. Whether it's a draft, whether it's offseason acquisitions, whether it's playing players early, you know, a little earlier than you're supposed to. Everything he does, he always does it right.

[Joe]

Trade they made.

[Uncle Joe]

What Trade they made.

[Joe]

They got Grenard. Who was opposite of Anson. I talked about it last night. I said Ocho, I, I, I've been hearing that he was on the market. Guess what they trade for him? Four years. 100 million. Boom. Done deal. Now we got another A pass. Russia.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey. So. So, so the receiver he for show up out of there, A.J. he for sure out of there.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In June.

[Joe]

June.

[Ocho]

He, he'll be over there. He'll be over there in Boston. He'll be over there in Boston.

[Joe]

Bet. I mean, look, and it happens sometimes. Sometimes you have irreconcilable differences and sometimes we can bark amicably. Yeah, it happens.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Chat. I'm curious to chat. What they think about the draft and as far as the teams, what grades would you give some of this, some. What grade would you give your team, your favorite team, on how they've done so far in the draft? Hey, Bengals. I mean, people, you know, people will laugh. Well, what we've done defensively on.

[Uncle Joe]

Y' all got better. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, I mean, listen, I can't say we got better. I know we got some hell of a pieces. Can I say that? Am I, Can I say that? Unc Jared Allen, huh? We got sexy Dexy, a young bull. Young bull from Texas. A Joe, man. Cassius. Cassius.

[Joe]

How he like that now?

[Ocho]

I'm just looking. I'm just looking at what I'm seeing on film, you know, based on the highlights. Twitchy, aggressive. Hey, he nice. And he got, he got a little dog in him. He out there talking trash most of the time. You don't see, you don't see that too much, especially from defensive linemen. Hey, hey, we gonna be nice if we get Shamar Stewart to come out this year and show the progress and improvement. He was the first round pick last year. He didn't do much last year, but we get him coming along this year, man. Hey, Miles Murphy. I like it. Now, we improved defensively. It's one thing to have names, but it's another thing when the goddamn bullet's flying. Are you gonna show up on Sundays when it counts?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey. Hey. What your Ravens and your Broncos, do they get better?

[Joe]

They took an offensive lineman. I think both teams took off it. No, I'm trying to think. What did the Broncos take? Hell, I don't even know the Ravens took. I know the Ravens took the title. The offensive lineman from Penn State. And they took defense. I think they took defense in the second round. I see early pick in the second round.

[Uncle Joe]

I see them Browns got Them some receivers, some offensive tackles, didn't they, man?

[Joe]

Yeah, I told them they need, they need some receivers. What are your thoughts on the Steelers calling Malachi Washington when they work even on the clock? Lemons. I was watching. What the hell. I get what Lemon. Makai. Makai. Not Malachi. Makai. Malachi went to the. Yeah, the Cowboys.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Jake Rosenberg said clubs are not, are not on the clubs that are not on the clock may have discussions with representative of one or more draft eligible players not yet selected or discussion with players themselves regarding the player's interest in playing in the league, playing for a particular club or type of club, the player's health or no other non financial matters. So long as these discussions do not interfere with discussions between player and clubs that is on the clock. So I don't know why, I don't know why Steeler will even have it. So Steeler, you're not really supposed to even talk. So guess what?

[Ocho]

So they, they, they, they in the wrong.

[Joe]

Look, you can have a discuss. You can talk to the representative or you can talk to the players. Ash, right. It says you may have discussion with the representative of one or more draft eligible players not yet selected or in discussion or discussion with the player themselves. So theoretically, since they weren't on the clock, they shouldn't have to have a conversation. Yeah, right. You're not supposed to be able to do that though. So. Yeah, I got no. Hey, so good. You're supposed to lose. You could talk to the, you could talk to the agent, but you're not supposed to be having a conversation with said player.

[Ocho]

With the player. With the player.

[Joe]

So still you. I don't know why you mad. What Low down dirty D deserves another.

[Ocho]

Hold on. What, what player? What player are the other receiver with?

[Joe]

Makai Lemon when they weren't on the clock? They made it. Dallas does a deal with Philly. Philly land the Jets.

[Ocho]

That's how, that's how. That's how he ended up over there. Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe]

You're supposed to be able. You could talk to the hey. Talk to his representative, but you're not supposed to be on the clock with the player unless you're on the clock. He wasn't on the Steelers weren't on the clock because if they were on the clock, guess what? What? Nothing Philly could do. Right? But since they weren't on the clock, Dallas say hey, you know what? We ain't selected it. So let us go ahead and pick up a couple extra draft picks that might help us out down the road.

[Uncle Joe]

Hello.

[Ocho]

And. And Makai, Lemon boy, he upset too.

[Uncle Joe]

Why you say that?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yo, he upset. He upset. He. He felt. He felt he was one of the better players in the draft and should have been going a little earlier than when he did go. He got. He got. He got a little chip on the shoulder. You got a little chip on the shoulder. Obviously, you know, there were rumblings and talk about the way he does his interviews and his mannerisms, the way he conducts himself when talking. But that's just him. That's just him. He's not Peyton Manning. He's not Tom Brady. They just don't like the way it comes off, the way he does his interviews. But hey, this man here to play football. He's here to play football. You know how he conducts himself when the camera and the mic is in front of him. That has nothing to do with what he does on the goddamn field. But he was pissed off and you can tell. You can tell. So I hope he go out there and do his, you know what thing.

[Joe]

It's reported that the Eagles were trying to get in touch with Lemon, but he's on the phone with the Steelers. Cause, you know, if it's draft and you on the phone, Ocho, what's the likelihood of you clicking over? Because you already on the phone with an NFL team? So whoever's calling is not nearly as important as who you on the phone with.

[Uncle Joe]

Right, right, right.

[Ocho]

Not even close.

[Joe]

So they were like, well, damn, we tried to call little boy. This the number he gave us. Because, you know, you gotta give them a number, Ocho. Where you gonna be? They ask you for your number. Where you gonna be? Are you gonna be in Miami? You're gonna be in Oregon? You're gonna be here, you're gonna be there. What's the best number? Is there a second number? Nah, this is all the number I got.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So they try to get in touch with him. They like, well, damn, he click over. Congratulations, Makai. We just. Huh? I was talking to him.

[Ocho]

It's a dirty game.

[Joe]

Talking to them about what day it on the clock.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, boy, that's a hell of a feeling though. The draft. That's. That's a, that's. That's. That's something you'll never forget, bro. It's something you'll never forget. It's a hell of a feeling. Yeah, it's nerve wracking. Hell, if you didn't have anxiety, you probably got it that day. You feel me?

[Joe]

Yes, man. You know what I tell Ocho, Guys need to understand it's not haha. It's where you go that's the most important thing. We've seen guys go high, go to the wrong situation. We've seen guys go to the right situation. Tom Brady and Flourish went to the sixth round.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Maybe somebody else. Hey, he gets cut. They kept four quarterbacks in New England. That's unheard of. Four active quarterbacks on the roster. Coach Belichick saw something. He was so convinced that this guy had something. Say, you know what? Hey, just, just do scout team stuff and don't even worry about it.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

But you know that's not the way to play. Is thinking about it too. You know, everybody wants to go early.

[Joe]

You're right.

[Ocho]

Obviously money, money plays a huge factor in wanting to go early. But the money so much is so different now. As opposed to when we were playing and when we got drafted. Hey, you can go and you can go in the goddamn third round and still be sitting damn near pretty.

[Joe]

Hey, second round is getting.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah.

[Joe]

Compared to what first rounders normally get.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You do realize, right? I think all first rounders contracts are guaranteed. That running back got the running back is how he got the most guaranteed money ever.

[Uncle Joe]

50 to my love.

[Ocho]

50.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, what about.

[Joe]

I see why his parents were doing this all night. Yeah, they should.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. What about the kid who we had on here? Avion Terrell? He got drafted. By the Falcons.

[Joe]

By the Falcon. Going with Jordan.

[Ocho]

He playing with his brother.

[Uncle Joe]

Man, that's so hard, bro.

[Ocho]

Hey, what? That's so. Hey, that's so dope, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

That's crazy, man. Oh man.

[Ocho]

Hey Unc, has it. Has there ever been a tandem of brothers that actually played together on the same team at the same position?

[Joe]

Not that I know of. Damn. I can't think of anything crazy.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, and they both from, they both from here?

[Joe]

Yeah. They went to Wesley.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Ocho]

Hey, can you imagine that? AJ Terrell at once on one side and his brother on the other side. That's. That's. Oh, that's crazy.

[Joe]

I would see you could do that if you on the defensive side. I ain't trying. I wouldn't try to play with my brother. He a ball hog. They throw that. They throwing that ninja the ball, man. Man, I got drafted. He had just come off leading the league. He just come out to leading the league in, in catches.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Joe]

First team off road. 92, 93. He went back to back over 100. Nah,

[Uncle Joe]

damn. Hey, what, what kind of, what kind of advice he was giving you uncle when you were going through your process.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, Ocho. They did have been a few.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Shaquille and Shaquillem Griffin for the Seahawks play. Oh, yeah. Remember, one was a linebacker, the other was a DB.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Jason and Debbie McCourty played with the Patriots.

[Ocho]

Oh, no, I'm saying they, they. No, they, they. Okay, okay. You right. I'm just saying in the draft, I mean, drafting to the same.

[Joe]

Oh, no, no, no, no. Not drafting.

[Ocho]

No, no. They ended up. They ended up playing. They ended up playing together. I mean, actually, one player. What, your brother already been there.

[Joe]

Do you actually get grabbed the same team, your brother. Not at the top of my head.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Derek and TJ Watt both played with the Steelers, but I think. I think Derek ended up with. He's drafted by the Chargers, wasn't he? Yeah, Shaquille. And Shaquille was drafted. They both got drafted to the same team. One was a first round pick and I think the other was a second round pick.

[Uncle Joe]

They both got drafted Seattle. Yeah, I remember that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's. That's dope, man. That's. That got to be the best as.

[Joe]

Oh, what about what you call them, Joe? What about Cam and Casey Hayward? Both of them in Pittsburgh or he might not be. Was he drafted? What the little brother drafted.

[Ocho]

That's dope, man.

[Joe]

Was he drafted to the Steelers or. We were the free agent.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, I mean, to be from here, though. Yeah. And playing for the foul, bro.

[Joe]

That's. Yeah, he was drafted. Connor and Kate and Cam Hayward. Damn. It's. Yeah, obviously. I mean, you talk. Even if you probably got a handful of instances, Ocho, if you go back and study the NFL, maybe you got a handful of history, Right? Instances in which guys have gotten drafted, brothers have gotten drafted, maybe they played at a later date in time, but to be drafted, right, man, that's. That's unbelievable.

[Ocho]

That's dope. Hey, as.

[Joe]

As.

[Ocho]

As. As parents, they got to be one of the greatest feelings in the world. One of the greatest feelings. I mean, obviously with. With Donna Kelsey, what she was able to do.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean, Terrell. Terrell's parents. I mean, the, The Watt family, the Manning family, that. That had. That has to be one of the greatest feelings, man. The Bar Lee.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Ronda and Tiki. Yeah, man, that's dope, Pouncy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Sonoris and. Sonoris and Santana Moss trying to think, hey, did the list goes.

[Joe]

But you know what, Ocho?

[Ocho]

What happened?

[Joe]

I mean, they got some very, very touching, heartwarming stories, but I only know I only know one set of brothers. They got these.

[Uncle Joe]

There you go.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You right about that. Hey, I like. I like that. I like that. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, oh. Here you go. Here you go.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. Chelsea got Sir Chaucer gotta go with too.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah, nah. Hey, listen, I'm. I'm the only one with a 14 karat gold bus, you hear me? Hey, Chad. Hey, hey. Only one with a 14k. Wait. Wait till I get my arm.

[Joe]

Hey, look like you, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, that don't. You got a little knot up there on your dome.

[Joe]

Ain't got.

[Uncle Joe]

They got that little knot up there, huh?

[Joe]

See, you should. Hey, you should have been working with Chauncey. Got Chaucey got Chauncey to be playing football.

[Ocho]

Nah, Chauncey a Hooper man. Chauncey don't. He don't. He don't like. He don't like football.

[Joe]

You don't like that. Contact.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. You talking about. You talking about playing me? You my brother.

[Uncle Joe]

Who was your brother? Nah. Whoop your brother ass.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Uncle Joe]

Don't bring your brother in this mess.

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on, Joe. Both of my brothers. My brother Chauncey. My brother Sam. I promise you that.

[Uncle Joe]

Line it up here. Line it up. Grind it up.

[Ocho]

No. You think you slick? You ain't. You ain't getting away from me. You gonna do. You gonna deal with me, boy. You gonna deal with me? What? You gonna deal with me?

[Uncle Joe]

I whoop they ass too.

[Ocho]

Hey, but hey, you. Hey, Joe, you. Why? This ain't the NBA, Joe. What? We play street ball, Joe.

[Joe]

I grew up playing street.

[Uncle Joe]

What are you talking about? I grew up playing.

[Ocho]

That okay?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay, Joe. Hey, hey. All right.

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[Ocho]

now,

[Joe]

Ocho Anthony Richardson is reportedly looking for an extension of the McVeigh Shanahan Lafleur tree, which to learn from. This comes in progress. Malik Willis showed on the Matt LaFleur in Green Bay this past off this past season. It led to a three year, $67.5 million contract with the Dolphins, and injuries limited Richardson to 17 appearances and a performance when he played. When he did play left a lot to be desired. He has thrown for 2400 yards, 11 touchdowns, 13 interception while completing about 50% of his passes. Ocho yeah. Could a West coast system help Richardson revive his career similar to Willis?

[Ocho]

I think any system will really help him if he if he lock in it's not about the system he's in. It's about you locking in. It's about you taking what you do seriously. Not rapping, not all the side quests, not all your hobbies that you focused in being. Being the first one in and being the last one out. It had nothing to do with the system. It's you. You know that. That's all it comes down to. That's all. If the work you put in, the results show up on Sundays.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

When you don't put the work in, Joe, the results show up that you ain't put the work in, it shows up on Sundays.

[Uncle Joe]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

I don't get mad at the results you didn't get for the.

[Ocho]

The work.

[Joe]

The work you didn't put in.

[Uncle Joe]

There you go.

[Ocho]

That's all it come down to.

[Joe]

But, but, Ocho, you remember when we was talking about this? Let that man have other things. He ain't got to be there all day. Now, where they had in the chat, though, Jojo, when you was. I was on this thing in the very beginning. Where y' all at the chat.

[Ocho]

Now, that's the one position.

[Joe]

Let him do what he want to do. Let him if. If he gets his work done. Ocho and I just happen to play the game at a very, very high level, Joe. Yeah, Extremely high level. You played at a. To tell them if all you do is what the coaches ask you to do, you'll never be great.

[Uncle Joe]

No, sir.

[Joe]

Hey, no, sir, but. Oh, yo. Oh, your big mouth. You and Ocho don't know everything. I said, okay. I said but at that position, it's all encompassing. Hey, but I want to know chat. Where are y' all at now that y' all criticize Ocho and I, man, you don't know. I said it's a bad look that he left the game because he was tired.

[Chris Harris]

He.

[Joe]

It's a bad look. I say they had a team. Think about it. Oo. They had a team damn. Meeting about a rookie quarterback. Yeah. I've never heard in my 14 years of playing.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

In my years of covering something of this magnitude. But the chat people that's never played want to tell guys that's been in a locker room, that's been leaders in the Rock locker room and what it takes to be great. But now they know more than us. But okay, I'll let y' all have it. Now, where y' all at? I ain't hurting not one person.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's different. Joe especially.

[Joe]

And people say Ocho, man all sharp is Bad talk too much. But you never said. I didn't know what I was talking about.

[Uncle Joe]

Hello.

[Joe]

Hello. Boy, I'm sure. Boy, they show talk a lot. When have you heard them say they don't know what the hell they talking about?

[Ocho]

That's the one position you can't take. No. You can't cut no corner, Joe. Hey, qb, you man, you can't cut no corners. You can't. You can't. You got to be. You got to be invested. I'm to about 24 7. Hey, on the field, off the field, in the film room.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey.

[Joe]

And that's why they want to be great. How great do you want to be at it, though? That's what it comes down to.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

How great do you want to be at it?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because you could be really good and do it half ass. Yeah, the same thing. Ocho, remember we said I was on what you call them when I was Undisputed and I was talking about Kyler Murray, man, let that man have a life. I said, do you understand what it takes to play that position?

[Ocho]

And y'.

[Joe]

All. I said, let this sink in for just a second. They put in his contract that he would spend x amount of hours away from the facility watching game tape. Do you understand what that means? Okay, I'm gonna let y' all have it. I'm gonna let y' all have it. Y' all know y' all right. Y' all right. Y' all right. You can do it.

[Ocho]

Both.

[Joe]

You can play COD and all your time and your off time, you know, hey, you can do all what you want to do. No, but why you moving up the ranks and you. While you moving up the ranks as a COD player in the usa.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Or the world, you dropping in the NFL ranks as a quarterback.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Because it's somebody working trying to catch you.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. And if you ain't working, you don't get exposed on Sundays. Either way. Either way.

[Uncle Joe]

That's how I go.

[Ocho]

That's the one position you can't. That's one position you can't hide on.

[Joe]

No. Hell, no, you can't hide.

[Ocho]

One position you can't hide, Joe.

[Joe]

Everybody else.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you can hide everybody else.

[Joe]

I can roll coverages.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I can bunch you. I can stack you. I can push you in motion.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The one position I can't find is the quarterback, because guess what? He got the ball every damn time.

[Ocho]

Every time. And hell, it ain't in. In the. To piggyback again off what you said at the beginning and then putting him in A new system. Well, hell, Young Bull came from the Giants and did extremely well in the system that you just had yourself with the same players until he got hurt.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Ocho, you making sense, boy. Stop. Damn.

[Ocho]

Same system, same recession. I mean, I'm just. Me, I'm just being honest, being truthful.

[Joe]

Yeah. When we say this, you know, we. Tommy, we buck dancing. I just, I want.

[Ocho]

Listen, I a. I ain't one of them coming from.

[Joe]

We don't get the chances that they do. So don't f. The chances up that you do get. Yeah, there you go. Once you get there, it's easier to get there and stay than it is to get out and try to get back in. Bro, you see the money that they give it and the cap just going up, bro. Make you three, $400 million and then say, kick rock. I'mma go smoke weed. I'mma play cod. I'mma play what, Whatever else they got. Whatever. I don't know the video. I just know Call of Duty. I don't know anything.

[Ocho]

After you get. After you get your money, though. Yes, after you get your money.

[Joe]

Yes, absolutely. That's all I'm saying. Guys, I want. I want guys to get all that money because it's there for you to get it. But don't, bro, don't let these people gas you up. Talk about you can do other things. No, professional sports is a full time job. A quarterback, just like. Just like the NFL. NFL used to be a. A seasonal job. It ain't no more. It ain't no more because guess what, Ultra, There used to be times we didn't talk about football in, in May. Once the. The draft happened in April, you took a break. You ain't talking about in June. You ain't talking about July. You a talking about two guys went back to training camp.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Now they covering the draft. Not. Excuse me, now they cover the combine. Balls to the wall. Now they talking about OTAs. Now they talking about who reporting and when they're reporting. It's different now. And it used to be teams would give you an opportunity, they would wait for you to develop. They ain't waiting no more with you.

[Uncle Joe]

Hell no.

[Joe]

Nah. Anyway, they got too much money tied up. They say, hell no, we'll go get something else.

[Ocho]

They very impatient. This is a good thing. It's a gift and a curse. It's a gift and a curse, though, because now the. The impatience when it comes to owners and wanting the satisfaction of having success right away just by getting a high draft pick and throwing and Giving them a lot of money. That's not the way things work. Now, that might be the way things work in business.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Test where you throw money at a business and it gets you what you want. It don't work that way with young quarterbacks. You got to give them time to develop. There's a learning curve, Ocho.

[Joe]

You see that in business. If something not going well, what they do, they'll find a CEO and get another one. Yeah, he ain't doing it again. They'll find another one. And they look at the quarterback as a CEO.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

But it. So they get his ass up out there and get another one.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, but look how many quarterbacks done came into the league as a rookie and really been effective, like right away.

[Ocho]

Yeah,

[Uncle Joe]

I'm talking about as a rookie.

[Joe]

They got like RG3.

[Ocho]

RG3 had a good year.

[Joe]

When you look at being effective. So you say, like being effective, have good years.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. To where you made the playoffs and let's say you was, you know, you had a decent playoffs shoes.

[Joe]

RG3. Jaden Daniels.

[Ocho]

Jaden Daniels. CJ Stroud.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. First year.

[Ocho]

Nice.

[Joe]

CJ yeah.

[Ocho]

Hell. Michael Vic had to sit and wait. Carson had to sit and wait.

[Joe]

Brady sit and wait.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Peyton didn't sit and wait. But Peyton said I'm wait. I, I just, I root for somebody to throw 27 interceptions so I can get off the list because I got the most interceptions that the rookies have. A rookie. I want somebody to break my record. They're breaking all the rest of them.

[Ocho]

Well, hey, Joe Payton was horrible boys that came in. Oh, that's right. Dak.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cause he took Tony Romo's spot off. Dump.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Got hurt. Yep, yep.

[Joe]

Yeah. So they've been. It's. But it's hard, Joe. It is hard for that guy to come in and he got to be. And be the leader of a team. A first year, a rookie.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, is it tough because of the game, the NFL and college. The NFL is a lot faster than college. Like, your processing has to speed up.

[Ocho]

Way faster, Joe. Yeah, way faster. I mean, obviously at that point it becomes a mind game. You know, it's a mental game. I know it's a physical sport, but hell, the game is 90% mental. 90% mental, 10% physical.

[Uncle Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

Has to know what everybody else is doing. You have to know what everybody else is doing. And then when it comes to being able to read and process the defense, not only the, the route schemes and combination that you have Going on, but knowing what the defense is doing before they even do it. So you know exactly where you want to go with the ball. So you're able to think. You're so able to think and read and react fast.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean, you think about Tom Brady and you think about Peyton Manning, some of the greatest quarterbacks that there are. And they're not physically imposing. You know, they're not the fastest. You know, they're not the most athletic. But they beat you here every time, Joe. They beat you here every time.

[Joe]

Process.

[Ocho]

That's their edge. That's their middle edge.

[Joe]

Ocho, you know, Drew Brees got benched. He was the reason that they got the number one pick.

[Ocho]

For real pick.

[Joe]

Remember that? They got Eli.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, he said, I'm not going. Yeah.

[Joe]

First of all, he got benched for a Doug Flutie.

[Ocho]

I didn't know that. I ain't know that.

[Joe]

Yes. That's how they ended up. They had the number one pick. They ended up trading it and getting Philip Rivers.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah. But also, Joe, you have to understand, you dealing with guys that's been in the league eight, nine, 10, 11 years, and you're asking a guy to come in and be the leader.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Guys want you to prove it in this league before you lead them. They need to see you to do it. They want to make sure that you. You that guy.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You show them you the guy, and they'll follow you forever.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn. Yeah.

[Joe]

Because they watch it. They watch it. They see who the first did. Your quarterback. You can't be the first in the. You can't be the last day in the. First to leave. You got to be first and last. First and last to leave.

[Uncle Joe]

No question.

[Joe]

Not last. First.

[Ocho]

Joe.

[Joe]

Joe.

[Ocho]

You got to want it, Joe.

[Joe]

You gotta want it already.

[Ocho]

No, you gotta want it.

[Joe]

You got to. And you gotta want it more than somebody wants it for you. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey. Hey. Hey. I might have been a clown, and they might have called me all they wanted to, Joe, but, boy, I wanted it.

[Uncle Joe]

Joe, you were locked in.

[Ocho]

I was like, joe, I. I ain't had no choice, Joe. I talk too much.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I talk too much trash through the week purposely. I'm gonna give you bulletin board material. This is. This was gonna happen, and I'm gonna go ahead and practice, and I'm gonna go do exactly what I said I'm gonna do. And ain't nothing you could do to stop it. Nothing. I don't care. I don't care what defense you run. I don't Care how many people you put on me. Well, you finna get this work.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Every week. Every week was a. It was a challenge. It was to me, it was fun. And I just turned the fun in entertainment. But I had to put the work in Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I had to study.

[Joe]

And they'll see it once they see that. You serious about this?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The work that, the way you practice, the way you meet, the way you study, the way you're prepared.

[Ocho]

That's why, Joe, the way. The way un just explained it is why they never told me to stop what I was doing. Because everything Unc just said, that's what Marvin and all them, they got to see that part.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

The way I practiced, the way I studied, I was sharp. I was sharp. See, the rest of the world saw the finished product. They saw the fun.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They seen the trash talking. They not seeing all the work I'm putting in to be able to pull that off.

[Uncle Joe]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

Nah, that's it. They know. And that's why coaches let him do what he did. That's why I didn't have a problem with my coaches, because they know. They knew how much time I put in studying. They knew how much effort I put in in the off season and during the season to keep my body right. They didn't have to worry about anything. But guess who else was watching? Your teammates.

[Uncle Joe]

Hello. Hello.

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[Ocho]

Yeah, I got you, Joe. I understand. I understand there's certain things that I can say, but I sprinkled it out there a little bit. You know, I like, like parsley. I sprinkled it out there a little bit. And you know the fact that I said when I do say it, most of the people don't believe me. But when it happened, they'd be like, oh my goodness, Ocho, you was right. So a small example of me knowing what I'm talking about but nobody really paying attention and got them in February. I told you, hey, where did I say? And I'm sure we got the video evidence that we can pull back and we can use this proof. When did I say A.J. brown was going? When they gonna trade him? What team I say we're going to? Yeah, two months ago, Joe.

[Joe]

I've been telling him since what, October? I said, oh, he up out of there.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, he up out of there.

[Joe]

What you talking about? You all you trying to do, man. That's what I don't like about the. This is what I don't like about. Because he think he know everything.

[Ocho]

Come on now.

[Joe]

I ain't not one person. We can go back and pull it. Cause we still got the comments what Ocho and I was talking about. Cause we got it and we can pull the comments. You don't know what you talking about. All you do is think you know everything. You don't know everything I said, man. Y' all hear this man talking. They winning the ball, they winning games. Oh, my thing went out, it came back, my bad.

[Uncle Joe]

They tried. So they traded.

[Ocho]

No joke.

[Joe]

It was going to be a post June 1st.

[Ocho]

Yeah, poked you for. But Joe, listen, I was saying this two, three months ago, right? Football season was over. They were happy. They were having discussion and talks about him going. I said. The first thing I said was, listen, young bull want to get up out of there. If you ask him, why you in season? And then I'm thinking, what place would make sense for A.J. brown to go. For him to still be able to flourish. Hello. Go back with your coach. You was with. And goddamn Tennessee. I mean, correct. With Tennessee. With Coach Rabel.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So I said right away. I say, yeah, he going to the Patriots. I mean, it's. It's common sense at that point, you know? And this was damn near two, three months ago. Everybody talking about, man, shut up. He don't want to go nowhere. What you talking about?

[Joe]

Thank you.

[Ocho]

I don't think y' all don't understand.

[Joe]

But guess what, Ocho. But you know what they gonna say? Oh, everybody knew who you go get traded you a lot.

[Ocho]

No, you didn't.

[Joe]

You a lot. Because all y' all at the. Don't. Don't come now. Oh, man. No, no, no, no, no, no. We want y' all just like y' all when Ocho and I wrong, and y' all want Ocho and I admit that we was wrong. We got it wrong. I need y' all to do the same thing.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I want y' all to run it with the same passion, with the same conviction that y' all say Unc and Ocho don't know what the hell they talking about. Ain't nobody. AJ Say he wasn't going nowhere. They say they weren't gonna trade him. Run it with the same passion.

[Ocho]

Hey, I got all the tweets saved, too. Yeah. I'll go back to all the tweets

[Joe]

saved when it actually happened. After June 1st, we're gonna go back, and we're gonna pull about 15 of them. So you better go take them down because we like the job. Cause we use all. All tweets against you.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause y' all just knew. Oh, man, he ain't say that. He said he didn't want to go nowhere. They said it would go. Traded. Okay, Eagle fan. Where y' all at? I know we got some Eagle fans. Yeah, I know we got some Eagle fans. Cause I told you during the season, they gonna trade it. I mean, he wants to get out there, and you know what? It's best for the. It'll be a. It's the best thing sometimes when you have irreconcilable differences.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Let's go ahead and break this thing up amicably. Tell you what y' all wanted to hear. Oh, you just trying to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want y'. All. What y'. All normally do when Ocho and I are wrong. Oh, man. Just admit you was wrong. Now. I Want the Eagle fan to come on with it? Yeah.

[Ocho]

And. And the funny thing.

[Joe]

Come on with it.

[Ocho]

It's. It's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be a good thing. It's gonna be a good thing.

[Joe]

Give me a piece of candy.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Like the old people say. Joe, let me get a piece of this old hard candy.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey. My grandma Kelsey. Candy, help her.

[Joe]

Hold on. The man catch a touchdown in the Super Bowl. He's a second team all Pro. He's a Pro bowl player. He led the team and receiving and yards. I don't know what else you can get. And he was unhappy. You remember two years ago, Ocho, he on the sideline reading the book. The key for blowing the top.

[Ocho]

Whatever you gotta do to keep you calm.

[Joe]

It got so bad, they had a meeting. The owner and AJ Had a meeting. He said, I understand your frustration, probably with something like, I understand your frustration, but can you not be so public? And I said, I don't have a problem because I'm firm believer you don't accept anything in a win, you wouldn't have lost.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

I said, but you got to keep it behind the scenes because people are going to view you as selfish. You're winning, you got to be. At one point, you had the best record in the nfc. I said, you're winning. I say people are going to look at you as being self selfish because they're going to look at it. It's like, no, you just want your stats and then if you drop a pass or something happens, people are going to become overly critical of you.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

I'm just trying to. Yeah, I ain't telling what somebody told me. Oo and I speaking from. I got 14 years. Oo got 11. So that's 25 years of NFL experience being in the locker room and seeing how things work.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's all. No, no, no. Don't tell me. Never admit nothing. I need you to admit. Don't talk. This ain't about UNC now, when Unc Wrong again, uncle me. I tell you what, if sexy Dexie go out there and ball out, I'm saying, you know what, Ocho, that was a good trade. You were right.

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on. It's go. It was a good trade. I'm telling you, it's going to be a good trade. Because anytime we talk about football and I say something ahead of time, it's always right. It's always right.

[Joe]

I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm rarely wrong when I say this.

[Joe]

Since you've been talking about your bingles. Your bingles ain't been to the point playoffs since.

[Ocho]

Okay, that's just. That's one thing. That's just one thing. That's. Hey, hold on, hold on now. Don't you do that. Don't. Hey, hey, brother cowboy. Don't you do that down there. That's what you're not gonna do.

[Uncle Joe]

Because I chime in, say fact.

[Joe]

Nah, nah.

[Ocho]

I'm just saying we talk about us not being to the playoff. I mean, we in the same goddamn boat now, you know. Hey, if I'm Rose, then you Jack. Now, don't. Don't act like that.

[Joe]

Hey, speaking of sexy Dexa, Tony Pauline speaks on Dexter Lawrence trade. There is concern that while Lawrence has shown himself to be a great player at times, he's not a very hard worker. Monday through Saturday. Part of the reason he wanted to be traded away from John Harbaugh.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you don't want. You don't want that out there about you.

[Joe]

John Harbaugh does work, ojo, but I don't get pads.

[Ocho]

I don't.

[Joe]

This is what I don't get. And I think they're talking about Zay Flowers. He said that Coach Harbaugh had them in pads, so forth and so on. Yeah, Ocho, if that's what you came into the league as, that's what you know, how is that a problem? That's all you know, right? It's not like you've been somewhere else. You've been at the 49ers and they only get. They only in pads, like on Thursday for maybe like 10, 15 minutes, right? If you came from that system and went to this system, I get it.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

But if that's all you know, when I played with Dan Reeves, we had the pads on. That's all I knew. So if I go somewhere else that they got pads on, I'm cool. I'm Gucci. Cause that's what I've been doing, you

[Ocho]

know, that's probably word of mouth too. You know, Zay Flowers hearing other players that's on other teams, the way they practice, them not having their pads on as often, especially once you get later on into the season, the fact that they haven't pads on as much as possible all the way, all the way up to. And I mean, in a sense, I don't understand it. Where you. Where you want your players healthy, you want them light as possible, especially, you know, during the week, so they healthy, you know, for games on Sundays. Now during our time, during our day, I understand now in today's time having pads on at every single practice. As many practices as you can get pads on them boys, you got them on them. Oh, that's tough.

[Joe]

Yeah, but in the west coast system, for the most part, the west coast used to be that was the thing. No pads. On Wednesday, you had them on for nine. On seven, you had them on for 907. It was thudded. You thudded up. Yeah, but then you take the pads off. Quarterback kept their pads on because they wanted to get used to throwing with their pads. Yes, sir, no problem. But everybody else, take your pads off, sell them to the side side. I leave mine out there because some rookie was going to grab mine or he better. But anyway, that's. We'll talk about. That'll be another show. We can talk about things that you got to do as a rookie or a player just coming up. But I don't get it, bro. You playing pads, I don't get that. Oo. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean, I. I don't know. Hey, I. I can't even sit here and lie because. Hey, hey, Joe. Some days when we had pat, we had padded practices. Joe, I have on the shelves. No, the shell. A little cushion. You. You put.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

The spider pad. Yeah, spider pad. So the defense would already know. They weren't gonna hit me no way, Joe. But they can tell when I'm not wearing my goddamn shoulder pads. I just ain't. I just ain't want that weight on me. I just didn't want that extra weight on me. On me. Joe. I want to be out there moving fast as hell moving fast as possible through practice, you know, And I wear him on Sunday sometime. Marvel would say something. Sometimes he wouldn't. Them pad of practice. Hey, Joe. It used to be hell boy Z

[Joe]

flower want to keep his pads on. All that damn fumbling he be doing. That might be what that might. He might need to keep his damn pads on. Mike didn't have a hold on all. He said, I want you to dress how you would dress in the game. He said if you wore pads, five pads, knee pads in the game. Where am I here to practice? Yeah, that's the only. That was really the only thing that he had. That's what we said until them guys started coming out there with damn tims and house shoes. Man. Oh man, we'll talk about that another time. But I'm saying that was the only. That was the only thing that he had. If we come out here to practice, however you play in the game, right? That's how I Want you to. Especially when we got on pad. So most of the guys. I mean, back then, they got to wear pants now. Ocho. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I was like, damn, you go back and look. Go back and look at the 90s and early 2000s. Ain't nobody have no damn pads on Harley. Everybody had them. Basically was tight. They don't. They don't gutted. The thigh pads, the knee pad that took all the pockets out. All they got are tights. Yeah. Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw do that. I said, man, if I ever. If I ever be good enough, I damn sure coming out my. I'm coming out mine.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, look, so when y' all got pads on, y', all, they hidden.

[Ocho]

Y'.

[Uncle Joe]

All.

[Joe]

We had on tight. It's just like you wear. Like, you wear those leggings up under your. Your. Your game pants. That's what I. Yeah, we done took all the pockets south. They just basically spandex.

[Ocho]

Spandex? Yeah, that's it.

[Joe]

That's. They just basically spandex. All I had was a helmet and shoulder pads. I had no thigh pads, no hip pads, no knee pads, no mouthpiece. I had a helmet and I had shoulder pads, and I only had two of my chin straps, but faster.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I remember them. Hey, some. Hey, them some fun days, boy, I. I miss. I miss it, but I ain't. I ain't going to lie to you. You. I ain't gonna hold you.

[Joe]

What you miss?

[Uncle Joe]

You missed the grind.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I missed the grind. I miss competing, Joe. I miss competing. I mean, I miss having structure and discipline and having to get up for something. I. I need something to do and. And whatever that something is that gives me structure.

[Joe]

How about go to the bank and send uncle his money, huh?

[Ocho]

Hey, Uncle, I told. I told you. Hey, break in case of emergency. If you really need that 59, I got you.

[Uncle Joe]

He been saying that. Man been saying he needs.

[Ocho]

He just talking. You know, he just talking. Hey, Joe, don't you owe me?

[Joe]

Oh, no.

[Ocho]

We even. We even now. We even. We even.

[Joe]

What?

[Uncle Joe]

Say it again. Say it again.

[Ocho]

Even. Cause we betting every game, right? You owe me a hundred. Atlanta won the night, so now we done broke even. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. I don't like the fact that I can't pay you, though, because you ain't see me with my money pants at home.

[Joe]

Next time I'm home. Next time I'm home, Joe, I'm a. Because I got some of my game pants. You'll See, they ain't nothing. They just.

[Ocho]

Damn, Unc, you kept your pants.

[Joe]

I kept my game pants. Got shoulder pads. Got shoulder pads, everything.

[Ocho]

And I. Hey, Brian, I ain't got. I ain't. Brian. Got nothing.

[Joe]

But they still got all my stuff. Flip, who's the equipment guy? Yeah, he was there. He was there when I was there. They still got all my stuff boxed up, all my shoulder pads, extra hit, my helmets, all that stuff in the box.

[Uncle Joe]

Ocho, you ain't got no helmets.

[Ocho]

I ain't keep nothing. I ain't. Hey, Joe, let me tell you something. I don't know what's wrong with me, Joe. Hey, I'm. I'm. I swear for God, there's something wrong with me, Joe. I had. When I moved, I had a big place. I had a big place when I was playing out here, out here in Davey. And it really made no sense. And I got to a point where, you know what? I'm getting rid of this. I'm talking about 10,000 square feet. There's no reason for me to have a house that goddamn big. I'm not playing football no more. So obviously, you know how I am when it comes to financial literacy. Let's downsize a little bit. Let's get up out of here. Let's get in something we could. We can maneuver with and maintain the same lifestyle we had while we were playing ball. So I went smart in storage, Joe. I put stuff in storage, Joe. I let that storage there, Joe, maybe by 10, 11 years. And it got to a point where, you know what? Now that I moved into something nice again, I ain't got something big again. You know, when I wasn't bringing all that old stuff back with me and I done left that, I didn't let that part of life, Joe. I just let the storage go. So it was all. All that stuff. Man, ain't. I don't never collect memorabilia, Joe. I never have. I ain't kept no jewelry. I ain't kept no nothing. Now, if I need it, I know I can go get it. If I want a helmet, if I want shoulder pad or anything like that, I can go. I can find my old stuff again.

[Joe]

That's easy. I got all my stuff. I got college by college stuff, college. I got my high school helmet.

[Ocho]

Nah, I see. Yeah, you see, you're a collector. You're a collector. It's just when. Hey, Joe, when a phase of life

[Joe]

is done, it's over.

[Ocho]

I closed that book, Joe. I close it. I close it. Okay.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

I don't care about that.

[Uncle Joe]

That's weird.

[Joe]

I don't know why all the trophy, Everything that I. Well, everything that I won in college, either my mom got it or my. It's at my grandmother's house. And so when I got my own house, my grandma. My grandma told me, no, you can't take nothing out of here. They still at my grandma house. My mom got some stuff that I want in college. My MVP trophy. I gave it to my. My girlfriend. I don't know where it's at now. Oh, man, she got water. She got one of my MVP trophies.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, that's damn near, like, hard though, too. Joe. You. You feel me?

[Joe]

Oh, I do. I got. I got. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I got clothes. I got clothes from when I was like five or six.

[Ocho]

See, that's pretty much. That's too much.

[Joe]

That story I told about the. The white outfits that my. My mom dressed me and my brother like for church.

[Ocho]

For Easter.

[Joe]

For Easter. Yeah. I still got that outfit.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah,

[Joe]

that probably was. That probably was 75, 78. So damn near 50 years ago. I still got it.

[Uncle Joe]

Damn.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. I keep stuff. We do. I. I get that from my grandma. I told you. My grandma had had canned peaches and. And beans and stuff for 20 years that she tried to bring to the. The new place. Liberty said granted. This stuff ain't no good. He said, yeah, it is, baby.

[Ocho]

It's.

[Joe]

It's seal. It ain't been open.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Gr. This ain't the military. This ain't no vacuum. What? MRE ready to eat meals. That ain't what this is. Hey, Joe, you ain't got nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

I got a little something.

[Joe]

I got.

[Uncle Joe]

I got a few jerseys. I mean, I got. That's pretty much it. I got a lot of, you know, I got a lot of signed jerseys, you know, I mean, a couple basketball.

[Joe]

Like when you went to the All Star game, you got people to sign stuff for you, didn't you?

[Uncle Joe]

Nah.

[Ocho]

So.

[Uncle Joe]

So, like when we got. When you go to the All Star game, it's a section where all the players gotta sign all the balls and all signatures and they give it to us. So, I mean, I went seven times, so I got. I got some nice stuff, bro. I got some basketballs.

[Joe]

Signatures ain't there no more. Them signatures on that basketball ain't there no more.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay, I'm. I'm out. Hey, listen, I can't tell you what. What every signature is, but, yeah, I got some. I got some stuff on.

[Joe]

I don't know who they are. I don't Know who they are now. But I. I didn't. The only thing I hate is that I went and I didn't get, you know, all the. I mean, think about. I had Brady, had Manny Elway, Marino, Kelly.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Not one thing.

[Uncle Joe]

So, hey, man, I got a question. And I. I won an Emmy award, Uncle Ocho. And I, I, I. I ain't gonna lie to y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Uncle Joe]

I lost it. I wonder. How can I? You think they'll send me another?

[Joe]

You have to pay for it. But.

[Ocho]

Yeah, well, you won an Emmy, Joe. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

And didn't know. Didn't know the significance of it, neither.

[Ocho]

What show.

[Uncle Joe]

I was playing here for the Hawks, and I told my story to Fox Sports like I was growing up, so my mom was in it. I think two of my uncles was in it, and we just told a story, bro. They came to my house, set up, interviewed me and all that. And so it was like halftime or one game. They came back, they was like, hey, they want to present you with an Emmy at halftime. I'm like, well, Emmy, I didn't even know what the hell Emmy was. I ain't going to lie to you. So listen, I go out there, get the Emmy. I come back, I put it up in my locker at the arena. I put it up in my locker, and about two, three days went by, I talked to my mom. I was like, mom, I want an Emmy. And she was like, you want an Emmy, boy? Where is that? I said, it's in my locker. She cussed me out. Boy, hey, if you don't get that

[Joe]

damn thing up out of there and

[Uncle Joe]

send it to me. You know, people work their whole careers trying to win the Emmy. I'm like, man, I ain't know. But anyway, I had a flood here in my house when I was playing in Brooklyn, and it wasn't nobody here, so water had been running for, like, seven days. It flooded out, so it messed up a lot of stuff. But that's one thing I couldn't find when I came back. I'm like, damn, I couldn't find it. I don't know if somebody hit me

[Ocho]

for it or not, but that's a nice accomplishment. Yeah, Joe.

[Joe]

But they're definitely. Oh, yeah, that's a. That's a. That's a standard. Yeah, we go get one, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, we. Hey, we definitely, definitely is, bro. We definitely is.

[Joe]

That's all. It's.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe. I don't know why, Joe, you know, after playing all them. After playing all them years, man, and having them jerseys Having them helmets and, you know, cleats and stuff. I don't know why I, I, I don't see the value in it no more. I, I don't understand. I just, it just, Even when you was playing? Once I was done, once I was done playing, once I was done playing and I just let the storage go, man. You know, people, I mean, remember, dude found the storage, I just stopped paying for it. And people would hit me on Instagram. They would hear me like, hey, some dude got your storage and you don't. I'm like, man, I don't care now. I bought a whole new place. You know, I done started over, you know, doing everything. And I'm not taking none of that old stuff with me. And it's funny how people see things that used to be yours and they value it more than you do. And in my mind, man, I done left that place there 15 years ago. I don't want to bring it with where I'm going now. I mean, it's just weird how people think like that. I just, I don't see the value in it no more.

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